Veng tank pretty easy too right?
#arms
vast drum
dim basalt
vdh always works
regal dragon
i wish i liked other dps lmao
vast drum
Real I tried UDK and hated it
fossil terrace
Hey All!
Does anyone know if Jastors works in solo delves with just Brann?
zenith warren
you guys use any weakaura for bestinslots?
olive nest
I just macro it to CS and forget
calm hollow
i killed the last jail alone, while being lasered by the soak add, and right after got a finger gun
spoiler: i died to the gun
calm hollow
whatever, got my 99 anyways (on last kill) :DD happens
olive nest
I usually spend all prog not getting any of the mechanics and then on the kill pull I’ll get as many as it can give me
calm hollow
yea same
shadow ibex
me when i havent been a trash ball yet and he's about to do the last cast we'll see of the pull
dim basalt
pls anyone respond 😦
olive nest
Yes stop dps until the 2nd set of cages break and then push fast and lust into p2
Happens around 4:03ish iirc
dim basalt
In prog?
calm hollow
reclear
dim basalt
We just started progging today
olive nest
Could probably hold all pots on pull like someone else suggested and not have to hold dps
Blood lust pull means you probably still deal with the kiting bomb set in p2
If you lust p2 you’ll skip it if everyones alive
Easier to skip that imo
shadow ibex
i didnt find that kiting set too scary when we saw it in the wipes that went there
only like 3 ppl alive for those pulls but they lived until enrage very easily
olive nest
Tbf the mines do move fairly slowly
Some people just struggle with fixates
Probably depends on your team I guess right
devout plank
Is it worth buying Best-in-Slots as a hero item when I have a random Myth weapon from vault?
rapid magnet
no ilvl is generally better (but also sim it)
shadow ibex
No
devout plank
kk ty
vital mulch
sweet cargo
I’ve got hero energy drink & funhouse but still a champ weapon so I think ima get BiS just to save the gilded crests for my arms alt lol
If I had to guess, funhouse prolly sims close to HoC at equal ilvl
Have a 665 crit/haste/leech ring too so I think the weapon is the play
tacit crystal
I’ve got hero energy drink & funhouse but still a champ weapon so I think ima ge...
i think you should craft a 2h weapon instead of getting bis
sweet cargo
i think you should craft a 2h weapon instead of getting bis
It’s just an alt, I don’t have the gilded crests and this will give me the biggest boost over trinkets or ring
I’m just gonna go do some delves and get it up to 671
tacit crystal
sure but if you decide to put in anymore time into the character crafting will be your best choice
but that makes sense
sweet cargo
I’m sure I’ll replace it later on yeah, just wanted to get out of this champ delve axe I’ve had all season lol
shadow ibex
gz
hexed snow
73 log, got like 5 total mechanics to do sadly but hey, we take what we get for the first one
random ibex
what is a good oppurtunist WA?
calm hollow
what is a good oppurtunist WA?
did you check #dps-faq ?
eager nexus
Where is our mid expansion recap 
shadow ibex
farming valorstones is hell
eager nexus
Ye of no alts.
open mason
when playing blademaster's torment with collateral is there any benefit to letting the avatar sweeping run out before pressing actual sweeping? or do both get added into the same collateral if its one long sweeping
shadow ibex
if you want them to combine you have to use real sweep first
avatar sweep will cancel early if you use real sweep
open mason
okay well then is there any benefit to doing that vs sweeping afterwards
im mostly asking for collateral
8 seconds doesnt seem like it would matter
shadow ibex
not really. you can use avatar sweeping but its only 8 seconds and then you have to recast real 8 seconds later
during warbreaker/cooldowns
better to just combine duration
open mason
ty
south minnow
How do I sim execute phase in raidbots?
dreamy egret
uh what happened
oh cleave talents dooooooy
coulda sworn I copied the right simc
better
hidden bough
when should i press BiS ?
tender merlin
so maxroll says crit/mastery but wowhead says crit/haste.. which one should i go for, for secondary stat?
stable fiber
so maxroll says crit/mastery but wowhead says crit/haste.. which one should i go...
what the sim says
also stat weights can change and some stats become way better, guides even telling people stats to pick and go full into seems troll to me, currently every single stat is extremely close for me sim wise
wintry arch
is sweeping a mortal strike onto a low add on mugzee to spread rend huge tech
or massive tech?
or no tech at all?
hollow wave
Delete Ravager
wintry arch
delete bladestorm
stable fiber
is sweeping a mortal strike onto a low add on mugzee to spread rend huge tech
tech for sure
wintry arch
tech for sure
hell yeah
fossil thistle
so maxroll says crit/mastery but wowhead says crit/haste.. which one should i go...
weary silo
do we use thunderclap instead of rend, even when doing slayer? because im looking at top 100 parses, and even thunderclap is used 100%
i was looking at the wrong fight, but its still 87% on stix
minor gust
Use whatever you want it doesn't matter
minor gust
.001%
weary silo
that reads like a "but"
minor gust
TC gives you a button to press when you have to step off boss for a second
stable fiber
yeah you still push both
weary silo
alright gotcha
on rik, do we just sweeping strikes and call it good, or do we whirlwind too?
im switching to arms from feral, since our warrior left and were heading to sprocket, so tryna jumpstart the learning process
minor gust
Remove whirlwind from your bars
weary silo
hell yeah
stable fiber
Holy rare breed arms player has both keybound
im big fan of using wrecking throw instead
1.3m damage instead of the 200k from tclap
although no reapply of rend but it does depend on the time left on rend
minor gust
It's so nice wrecking throw was buffed to be real again
stable fiber
yeah its damage isnt bad
minor gust
But your never gonna catch me pressing rend sorry
stable fiber
nah its good
wrecking throw does 10m damage to shields with only csmash up
kinda crazy
balmy kindle
It's worth for heroic, imagine mythic gally
minor gust
Yeah it's doing what it was made for again.
stable fiber
yeah big on mythic gally
tacit crystal
me perma rending
minor gust
Progging mythic Gally right now wrecking throw does 13-14 mil nice lil button
stable fiber
sweeping executes off the little adds while targetting boss
perma jugg stacks + mini execute phases with sweep
first 2 mins of mythic OAB
lmfao
no lust
balmy kindle
Isn't Colo jug kinda annoying to use
stable fiber
Yeah wouldn't play Colo on M
i think its more popular on bandit
but im almost certain slayer is just way better
just significantly harder to play
more rng heavy too
balmy kindle
I just hate slayers randomness
stable fiber
precisely
balmy kindle
Like if you get unlucky on the slayer strikes thing it's oof
stable fiber
it has by FAR the biggest varation of dps of any dps spec im pretty sure
maybe arcane
balmy kindle
mM DR is a close contender
balmy kindle
For my H farm and prog I just played Colo ST with battelord 
Fuck juggernaut
Only played slayer in S1 due to the big dmg diff but S2 buffs made Colo only like 5% worse
minor gust
after the last round of OAB nerfs colossus is dead on that fight
no reason to play colossus besides fun
grave cedar
For M MugZee, does anybody have a weak aura for leaping out before gaols go off (like AraKara final boss)?
minor gust
just sit in the jail like a good boy its not a big deal. your more likely to troll your raid than get the leap off with or out without a WA
robust cypress
why do people lose EP+finishing blows for 2x bloodborne? It sims worse for me overall
for M+
minor gust
its more aoe
weak wave
Slayer AoE prio:
Cleave, OP, MS or Cleave, MS, OP for more Reap the Storm procs?
minor gust
all depends if your playing DN or not
minor gust
after the buffs yes its a lot closer
is it better no
but if you want to play it you very much can its a video game
ive been doing just fine in 15-16 keys as slayer
weak wave
all depends if your playing DN or not
I am but is it better?
DN is at ~4% dmg for me atm
minor gust
with DN its Cleave > OP > MS yeah
Slayer needs the AOE help with DN so yes its worth slayers ST in keys is already good you dont need SOA
wicked aurora
with DN its Cleave > OP > MS yeah
I assume in colo it's still cleave>MS>OP even with DN
minor gust
yeah still Cleave > MS > OP
wicked aurora
demolish go brrrrt
weak wave
Slayer needs the AOE help with DN so yes its worth slayers ST in keys is already...
My point is that Reap the Storm already does a ton of dmg. Wouldn't it be better to use more attacks that trigger it more often?
MS>OP would mean more Reap the Storm procs AND more Bladestrorms
minor gust
ultimately a sim question IK Fishy is still working on some cooks but MS isnt a guaranteed reap proc
basically rng chance at more dmg or guaranteed dmg with OP/DN
weak wave
Sure but OP is never a proc
wicked aurora
the cool thing about averages is that even if you add in a handful of more casts you might not introduce more procs or you might
never know
minor gust
like I said ultimately a sim question last I talked with Fishy about this he said to prio Cleave > OP > MS
wicked aurora
Or rather you do once you do math/data collection
minor gust
we tried a lil meme full reap min max build
with long sweep blord and Cleave > MS > OP and it didnt feel as good
weak wave
like I said ultimately a sim question last I talked with Fishy about this he sai...
But sims don't help if they prio OP over MS
minor gust
im sure hes tested with both iterations
you can ask him yourself I aint da numbers guy I just do what the smart people tell me to do
wicked aurora
But sims don't help if they prio OP over MS
I mean you can do a custom sim string
weak wave
I mean you can do a custom sim string
No. "I" can't do that xD
weak wave
It's just a question of if you care enough to learn how to
I'm more the practice person.
Stand 2 hours at the dummies and test it this way.
south minnow
Is Best in slots on use just best to use on the Colossus smash after your Avatar/CS?
Assuming you have house of cards
storm lark
Yeah but be careful beacuse if you use it on cooldown then its gonna delay your house of cards at 4:30.
slow saddle
you can ask him yourself I aint da numbers guy I just do what the smart people t...
Hear me out make crit 2× the chance of proc
weak wave
Does a SS MS counts for 2x20% reap the Storm chance?
boreal quartz
Which is math
weak wave
It's not 2x20%=40%
Nice thanks.
slow saddle
Its more like 20 % 2 times🤣
So at 5 targets it should proc everytime
But sometimes dice rolls bad
My 95% hit chance when playing games that turn into misses
boreal quartz
My 95% hit chance when playing games that turn into misses
She Baldur my Gate until i 3
whole blaze
Yoooo guys ! How you spend dinars ?? Like Im not sure if I should go for Best-In-Slot or just craft weapon + something ? Atm i have crafted wrists but i see maaany best warriors without Best-In -Slot when I think they spend dinnars just for something else
reef glade
If u think you’re never gonna kill mythic gallywix heroic jastor is good if u don’t already have
reef glade
I meaaan I ain’t doin allat but yea I guess
slow saddle
If u havent killed oab yet prob go buy
reef glade
not like it’d make or break a kill or anything of it tho
weak wave
Does anyone have a Slayer M+ Log for me p
?
Unfortunately warcraftlogs can't filter this.
weak wave
I just want the numbers of MS, OP and RtS cast in one run
weak wave
Scroll up a bit.
Question was if this is really the case.
weak wave
Yes.
slow saddle
This is allready a fact no?😅
Theorycrafters allready crafted this
Sim a 2 target scenario
weak wave
As long as I can see nobody can tell right now if MS > OP leading to more RtS procs is clearly worse than just hit OP for this little Dreadnaught fart.
slow saddle
Check
slate crest
I cant get hero jastor to sim better in mt even though the Ring i would replace is also hero track
Is It a significant upg for others
slate crest
Yeah i did, different variations
weak wave
Theorycrafters allready crafted this
Did they consider that DN is just a small line that never hits all enemies around you?
slate crest
I must Be missing something
slow saddle
Did they consider that DN is just a small line that never hits all enemies aroun...
It does if u can play m8
Also its not little dmg
Its like 4-6% overall
😅
So obviously stronger in aoe
And buffs next cleaves dmf
weak wave
Its like 4-6% overall
RtS is like 35-40% 😬
weak wave
Well it was in the latest keys I played
slow saddle
@sweet lark didnt u run some slayer keys
@weak wave there u go
Thats an avg key
without dreadnaught even just with soa
wait with kek
whole blaze
Lol I cant even kill hero gally atm, so I should just craft weapon and buy trinket ??
sweet lark
You invoked me in the forbidden spec channel for me
If you want my logs from Wednesday I’m colossus
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/7KxAt1vRDP3TCcaM
sacred zodiac
Lol I cant even kill hero gally atm, so I should just craft weapon and buy trink...
I dont think you need a hc gally kill for his loot
slow saddle
Only normal🤣
sacred zodiac
Lfr sufficient iirc
whole blaze
I dont think you need a hc gally kill for his loot
Y but ppl saying that hero Bis suck ass
sacred zodiac
Y but ppl saying that hero Bis suck ass
My king bis does not drop from gallywix
slow saddle
But obviously a hc weapon doesnt best a mythic track
sacred zodiac
And its kind of ok as an offhand i had mythic crafted beat it quite comfortably in my sims
slow saddle
Arms channel
whole blaze
BIS i was meaning Best-In-Slot weapon
sacred zodiac
Same logic
Yes best in slots Drops off of one armed bandit
Its okay but at hc ilvl its kind of whatever compared to mythic crafted or a mythic 2h
If you are not going to kill last 3 mythic bosses this tier its pretty reasonable to buy hc jastor and then whatever
limber dirge
So if we drop executioner's precision where about does MS land in the execute phase rotationally? Just bleed refresh?
thick kelp
on cd
limber dirge
On cd and then just execute otherwise to dump high rage then?
thick kelp
without EP execute is just a slam replacement
limber dirge
Ah, I see, so nothing else changes then. Makes it easier I suppose; was just so used to EP I wasn't sure.
weak wave
<@273857369111527424> there u go
Thanks but without DN and RtS cast numbers and can't do very much.
slow saddle
Thanks but without DN and RtS cast numbers and can't do very much.
it was
dn
this is a mythic + log
so do with it what you like ?
if u arent willing to go into log and actually check i dno what to say
weak wave
Ahh there. Sorry. Didn't check the drop down menu.
slow saddle
as u can c
Dreadnaught and OP are quite strong
also theres an argument for Funnel dmg as ideally u are hitting the biggest mob. and Oppertunity procs on OP is big
Any1 got the thing u gotta add for races in Sims
i am boored or dracthyr, and need an excuse in dmg to change 😉
thick kelp
i am boored or dracthyr, and need an excuse in dmg to change 😉
profileset."Pandaren"+="race=pandaren"
profileset."Blood Elf"+="race=blood_elf"
profileset."Orc"+="race=orc"
profileset."Tauren"+="race=tauren"
profileset."Troll"+="race=troll"
profileset."Undead"+="race=undead"
profileset."Goblin"+="race=goblin"
profileset."Highmountain Tauren"+="race=highmountain_tauren"
profileset."Nightborne"+="race=nightborne"
profileset."Mag'har Orc"+="race=maghar_orc"
profileset."Zandalari Troll (Akunda)"+="race=zandalari_troll"
profileset."Zandalari Troll (Akunda)"+="zandalari_loa=akunda"
profileset."Zandalari Troll (Bwonsamdi)"+="race=zandalari_troll"
profileset."Zandalari Troll (Bwonsamdi)"+="zandalari_loa=bwonsamdi"
profileset."Zandalari Troll (Gonk)"+="race=zandalari_troll"
profileset."Zandalari Troll (Gonk)"+="zandalari_loa=gonk"
profileset."Zandalari Troll (Kimbul)"+="race=zandalari_troll"
profileset."Zandalari Troll (Kimbul)"+="zandalari_loa=kimbul"
profileset."Zandalari Troll (Kragwa)"+="race=zandalari_troll"
profileset."Zandalari Troll (Kragwa)"+="zandalari_loa=kragwa"
profileset."Zandalari Troll (Pa'ku)"+="race=zandalari_troll"
profileset."Zandalari Troll (Pa'ku)"+="zandalari_loa=paku"
profileset."Vulpera"+="race=vulpera"
profileset."Draenei"+="race=draenei"
profileset."Dwarf"+="race=dwarf"
profileset."Gnome"+="race=gnome"
profileset."Human"+="race=human"
profileset."Night Elf (Night)"+="race=night_elf"
profileset."Night Elf (Night)"+="timeofday=night"
profileset."Night Elf (Day)"+="race=night_elf"
profileset."Night Elf (Day)"+="timeofday=day"
profileset."Worgen"+="race=worgen"
profileset."Void Elf"+="race=void_elf"
profileset."Lightforged Draenei"+="race=lightforged_draenei"
profileset."Dark Iron Dwarf"+="race=dark_iron_dwarf"
profileset."Kul Tiran"+="race=kul_tiran"
profileset."Mechagnome"+="race=mechagnome"
profileset."Earthen"+="race=earthen
profileset."Dwagon UwU"+="race=dracthyr"
wary raft
"Dwagon UwU" xdd
quaint otter
The ...
weak wave
Dreadnaught and OP are quite strong
Yeah. Quick and simple math tells me that one RtS is more than 7 times stronger than one DN (370% vs 50%). Also MS does more dmg than OP AND reduces BS and Warbreaker CD.
minor gust
damn man you still going on about this
just prio Cleave > MS > OP if you want its not a big deal
weak wave
theres 2 dn
And 2x20% RtS
slow saddle
there also 30% more cleave dmg
and as i said before smarter ppl have worked it out
i listen to them, if u just wanna send ms instead do that, its not gonna break a key
2ndary problem is if u spend MP buff
on a ms
weak wave
i listen to them, if u just wanna send ms instead do that, its not gonna break a...
Who are those smarter ppl?
weak wave
Theorycrafters
Namens?
slow saddle
i think archie does some of it
not quite certain who the rest of the simcrafters are for arms
rare kite
Fishy and walhe
slow saddle
ye i mean if fishy says op i op
thick kelp
wtf is rts cast
minor gust
real time strategy cast
thick kelp
just press cleave ms op btw
viral locust
I asked yesterday but after some looking at SIM/APL I was recommended to send bis with next CS, the SIM just sends on cd after my house of cards with Ava, which should I be doing? Lining it up or on cd? (Assuming pure ST)
Sending with CS delays bis by like 5s or something iirc
eager sigil
I asked yesterday but after some looking at SIM/APL I was recommended to send bi...
depends on fight length
like on a 5min fight delaying by 5s doesnt matter
thick kelp
bis duration lasts 5s longer than cs
so you can send it if CS cd is like <8 or smth
which on opener is like directly when you can use BIS
viral locust
Ok, doubt it is a massive difference just want to know what I should be doing
thick kelp
cs pretty naturally linesup with the 2min cd of bis too so no need to think too hard about it
coarse nova
in lower keys (10-12) do you sweeping strike and get stacks before popping avatar and cds or do you just send asap? Feel like mobs die too ast to set up big burst
viral locust
cs pretty naturally linesup with the 2min cd of bis too so no need to think too ...
Yea think I might just macro it to CS for raid for ease
And forget about it
balmy kindle
It's something I ask myself as well doing 13-14s now, I do feel you get more mileage stacking
U use sweep to stack, then pop avatar and ravage with cs for big bonk
thick kelp
sweep lasts 13s, mbg lasts 8s
you can start sweeping when the tank is gathering if you feel safe aggro wise
and then have collat comeup during mbg
balmy kindle
Iirc pre use sweep stacks with avatar too
astral yarrow
"Dwagon UwU" xdd
it was an important add
dim basalt
Iirc pre use sweep stacks with avatar too
That sounds awful tho
daring heron
it was an important add
did thaiax say hi from me
astral yarrow
did thaiax say hi from me
astral yarrow
Im wearing it with pride
quasi torrent
Klicken, um Anhang anzuzeigen
dim basalt
only 100 pulls more
How many do you have now
slow saddle
25
astral yarrow
every boss is gonna fall over in 3 weeks
astral yarrow
yeah dance boss is rough when you cant get ilvl on brain
slow saddle
not all are dracthyr u know 😛
tbh for my super bad guild
all this free power is nice
we get to do some Semi mythic bosses
but must suck if u ALMOST are killing a boss and then get 6 ilvls
astral yarrow
yeah its so good for wr 500-1k guild
slow saddle
and it falls over
astral yarrow
On mugzee yesterday people went "damn we're blasting" and therl goes to the officer "you tell them whats gonna happen next, i dont have the heart"
queue stop dps forever
dim basalt
Yeah rn we are in a weird spot where we need to do a dps stop because we cant pop lust and get mug into p2 before 2nd cages
Should be doable next week tho
thick kelp
On mugzee yesterday people went "damn we're blasting" and therl goes to the offi...
I DONT WANNA STOP DAMAGE
astral yarrow
I DONT WANNA STOP DAMAGE
Pilav is back if you didnt see
quasi torrent
i wish i hadnt 👍
thick kelp
I did see
daring heron
he wants to dps race me
thick kelp
but he is gonna retire soon again now that he is gonna be a dad
astral yarrow
his clips are funny
sadly he isnt funny in general
so like a 15 sec dose of pilav is perfect
astral yarrow
yup
daring heron
far too much energy for me
halcyon breach
i wish i hadnt 👍
tacit crystal
far too much energy for me
happy valentines day :3
daring heron
u2 mate
minor gust
valentines day? 3 months late
undone aurora
How much crit should I aim for on arms? I have like a good chunk of the gear on the arms bis list yet my fury always sims higher than my arms
I have better gear for fury overall but I’ve been collecting arms gear and I still can’t get it to sim higher
tacit crystal
fury just sims higher than arms
quasi torrent
da simma
undone aurora
Even for m+ ?
I was under the impression that arms was better for m+ due to uncapped aoe
Or is it just that dungeon slice sim can’t always reliably sim the pulls that you will be doing?
minor gust
dungeon slice bad
gray herald
On mugzee yesterday people went "damn we're blasting" and therl goes to the offi...
why dps stop :(
shy tide
dungeon slice bad
id say dslice is good for most people that do weekly 10-12's tbh
it gets a bit murky after that
astral yarrow
why dps stop :(
cuz mugzee design is cringe
we were stopping dps a good 10 seconds before patch
even with boosting
gray herald
oh actually we havent boosted yet
but we pushed before 2nd gaols
this week
i guess with a boostee or two you have to do it normally huh
minor gust
id say dslice is good for most people that do weekly 10-12's tbh
Idk Dslice is pretty scuffed
shy tide
its pretty average
its like boss fight at the start and end
and some 3-5-8 target pulls in between
not perfect but for most people its actually pretty acurate
tacit crystal
or the sim just becomes
wear highest ilvl
and think about what trinkets do damage
chilly coyote
lads
am I special or why does reap the storm say cleave or mortal strike. when do you ever hit more than 2 with ms?
tacit crystal
ms | cleave target count >= 3
chilly coyote
wat
tacit crystal
ytes
chilly coyote
that's fucking weirdly worded though
astral yarrow
theres a reason you get reap procs in ST
tacit crystal
no?
chilly coyote
well, maybe not
tacit crystal
chilly coyote
and yea, you do get reap in st
tacit crystal
thats what this means
chilly coyote
which is why I should've figured that out
astral yarrow
it could be more clear, but it dont think it'd fall under unclear
eye of the beholder n shit
astral yarrow
politician irl
chilly coyote
I just didnt think that far
minor gust
Vote for Aagaard
minor gust
Amen
chilly coyote
when AI takes over you can be the ambassador
astral yarrow
Artificial Insanity amirite
strange crag
havent touched arms in TWW, is slayer fine in keys as arms ?
chilly coyote
its not great
astral yarrow
It sims competetively in aoe sims, but reality is often not the same
minor gust
I would say it fits the description of fine tho
play it if you want
just wont be better than colossus
strange crag
perfect, ty ty
astral yarrow
I'd also argue that Colossus is 1000x easier
chilly coyote
first demolish in cinderbrew
strange crag
demolish still only works having a target ?
astral yarrow
first demolish in cinderbrew
yea but then your tank has to dodge a swirly, overshoots and now your demolish fizzles
happens every time
minor gust
the dmg wheres off eventually. The negative aspects are more prominant now for me and I rather not deal with it
astral yarrow
im not negatively biased whatsoever
chilly coyote
1/3 hit gaming
I was farming crests yesterdays
had feral druid friend
kept blowing them away on my demolishes on purpose
minor gust
I love when I press my demolish and priory footmen or Workshop shields say hello
minor gust
I still want my Templar strikes solution turn demo into a 3 part combo on half gcd
astral yarrow
i really liked late DF s1 and DF s2
minor gust
3rd aoe hit is pure aoe like cleave
astral yarrow
then they killed IP
minor gust
not targeted shenanigans
astral yarrow
SKS can suck a dick
astral yarrow
but sarri and i managed to make it be the best simming ST build in S2
or rather, sarri started it and i kept at it
chilly coyote
I remember when it started to meme its way into raid
astral yarrow
it was always good on experiments in abberus
but at some point we found some optimizations, cringe as they were to actually make it better
but my god did it feel bad to 2x EP -> SKS -> MS
tacit crystal
@astral yarrow help
inland drift
did it get easier to get fyra'lath?
astral yarrow
<@198808002629730304> help
lil bit o keys
chilly coyote
bro has milk in his inventory
chilly coyote
the picture is bleach
I have like 20 items in total in my bags including gear swaps
tacit crystal
i need to finsih grinding on my warrior
chilly coyote
@tacit crystal refill healthpotions
chilly coyote
pot for extra apm
astral yarrow
Im doing 8 keys this week and then im letting the rest of the crests come to me through reclears 
tacit crystal
my guy is just locked behind not having mythic tier
chilly coyote
you get quite a bit from converting from the bottom
astral yarrow
yeah i did
chilly coyote
and since blizzards ui is so friendly you have to manually click everyone of them
astral yarrow
my guy is just locked behind not having mythic tier
still heroic shoulders, normal jastor and needed to switch crafted pieces around
tacit crystal
assuming i get 3 pieces of tier im the biggest i can be without doing more mythic raid
wait
astral yarrow
3 reclears and zenith token hasnt dropped from rik/cauldron along with no gloves from stix and no shoulders from gally
tacit crystal
2
astral yarrow
i somehow have 2 zenith tokens in my bag on dk won on a greed roll
but the char itself has 1 tier piece 🙂
tacit crystal
only other upgrades i could get would be myth bis jastor hoc
dull siren
yap
chilly coyote
same for me. I took mace this week. so it's hoc and jastor left this season 😦
we havent killed gally yet though, so there's no rush
hollow plover
<@198808002629730304> help
you need tooltip addons fr, at least having ilvls shown makes sorting shit items way easier
tacit crystal
you need tooltip addons fr, at least having ilvls shown makes sorting shit items...
nah i legit just hoard the items to sell them after dumping valorstones into them
im poor like that
slow saddle
nah i legit just hoard the items to sell them after dumping valorstones into the...
Isnt that the common tactic
olive nest
<@198808002629730304> help
That’s a lot of gear
lilac vapor
yo guys, i got a question, is it viable to take Dreadnaught into m+ or never worth over strength of arms?
dim basalt
yo guys, i got a question, is it viable to take Dreadnaught into m+ or never wor...
Can do that if you want even more aoe
lilac vapor
is that a major loss or not that much overall?
dim basalt
I dont have any numbers but its okay-ish
minor gust
its an aoe gain for a ST loss pick your poison
dim basalt
Though as col DN isnt as strong
lilac vapor
ty 🙂
calm hollow
we were stopping dps a good 10 seconds before patch
Just BL on pull and you dont have to dps stop
astral yarrow
Idk I just show up and press buttons
tacit crystal
yep
calm hollow
liquid wa didnt even work yesterday, with skipping second cage set, it was assigning 3 person on the 4 cages, so they had to fix it
gray herald
worked for us on wednesday, just have to update it from wago
calm hollow
nah, we have sub with auto updates, iit did not work, we even contacted the author and he updated it while we were raiding
shy tide
love wa's
gray herald
nah, we have sub with auto updates, iit did not work, we even contacted the auth...
oh, our sub expired so we just manually updated from wago and it worked fine
got lucky i guess
shadow ibex
I was getting 2 assignments on second cage. Voice saying right and text says right while map telling me middle
hexed snow
I was getting 2 assignments on second cage. Voice saying right and text says rig...
We removed map
Text and voice was what decided
shadow ibex
I was only in them until void elf portal ran out so wasn't big deal
I just kicked applied bleeds and tried to keep jugg extended before I left
west oracle
Hello folks, what should be my priority to buy with chips? I got crafted weapon, peacemker 684 and signet 671. I only do mythic+, so i cant vuy raid items
I am thinking of house of cards so it sync with my CD
hexed snow
Not a bad idea if you don't have it, Jastor HC is what I went for personally (already had HoC)
I'm assuming you mean you don't do mythic raiding
But have cleared HC?
regal dragon
Not a bad idea if you don't have it, Jastor HC is what I went for personally (al...
I have Jastor, House, Eye, and Pacemaker all Hero where my myths at Blizz
west oracle
Mythic + all the way
hexed snow
Do you clear HC every week for vault?
west oracle
Nope
hexed snow
If so probably Jastor, due to it being Very rare
Hmmmm
Hard choice mate, I'd go for a heroic droptimizer sim then and take what is at top
3 weeks later you can pick the next best
west oracle
3 weeeeks!!!!!!!
cursive trellis
It's shit that the raid trinkets are so much better than M+ it shouldn't be that a maxed out myth trinket is half as good as a hero raid trinket
west oracle
This q comes each 3 weeks?
hexed snow
Yes... Every week 1 dinar piece
west oracle
Damnnn
hexed snow
I can tell you this @west oracle I got HoC heroic on vault like b2b
But Jastor I've never seen it in my vault
regal dragon
I love workshop, HATE priory
spark mango
its Dh tank heaven, they do the most stupid shit to deplete that key
west oracle
I got jestor from TW event chest 😅
spark mango
you can literaly press W and time it, but they rather deplete 2502102031032 workshops before timing one with meld skip
spark mango
i am so annoyed by workshop and we have to play that shit every expansion apparently
west oracle
Loooooooooool
spark mango
and they made KUJO the most boss on planet, i was doing 1m dps on it, a hunter baited the charge in narnia and by the time boss came back it was casting venting flames
hexed snow
As she says... She should have taken him for a walk earlier...
gray herald
real
spark mango
i love the part of workshop where you are sweating after killing 3rd boss and think you're safe and you might actually time it and your tank depletes it with shadowmeld shenanigans on the very last pack
calm hollow
I can tell you this <@404671919267512320> I got HoC heroic on vault like b2b
i have 3 warriors, max raid vault since raid release, not a single HoC was in there
but yea Jastor is even more rare
sacred zodiac
afaik they removed rare weighing from vaults
got jack shit to back this up tho so shrug
quasi torrent
source:
boreal hawk
I got jestor from TW event chest 😅
The reward are champion or heroic?
balmy kindle
champ
slow saddle
i took heroic jastors as in 3 weeks i PRAY we kill Sprocket
and then another 3 weeks to kill bandit at least 🙂
so when they die, BIS and HOC is mine and my warrior can retire
better than i couldda hoped for. THE end
icy mulch
safe island
wanton sierra
hey guys im runnin some hier keys, and i would like to know if rolling ignore pain is worth... to hold big dmg
naive sage
hey guys im runnin some hier keys, and i would like to know if rolling ignore pa...
Don’t use ignore pain
wanton sierra
i think i saw bizentain usin it, must be on a specific dungon i guess
vagrant monolith
Should I use dinar to get heroic jastors or heroic house of cards if I only have signet? Guild is probably going to down mythic OAB this week but I probably wont be getting mythic house of cards
minor gust
if your mythic raiding I wouldnt spend any dinar on heroic items
you only get 3 items to buy
tacit crystal
hi bozo
vagrant monolith
Yeah and waiting until CE for mythic jastors is not worth it
tacit crystal
did uou see my 9m coc
minor gust
Hi Gio
minor gust
Yeah and waiting until CE for mythic jastors is not worth it
why would you buy a heroic Jastor when you can wait and buy a mythic Jastor
vagrant monolith
Because a heroic jastor is going to help my guild kill bosses faster than greeding and not spending a dinar
minor gust
Because a heroic jastor is going to help my guild kill bosses faster than greedi...
you having a heroic Jastor wont make or break you guys getting CE
but hey if you want to waste dinar on a heroic item go ahead
vagrant monolith
If every other player in the guild spends their dinar sure but if everyone holds it until after CE its basically playing without any dinars
minor gust
do what you want king
vagrant monolith
aight
minor gust
tranquil tree
Hello, not an arms expert but i was wondering in M+ why is prefered to run Crit-Mast instead of Crit-Haste
tacit crystal
does more damage since colossus benefits more from crit
and mastery makes you do more dam
also the robot says it does more
tacit crystal
for slayer
minor gust
then dont play under 25% haste if it feels awful
tacit crystal
different hero talents want different stats for some specs
also stats arent the biggest difference in damage
its rotation
me when augs ask about uptime when its a result of doing rotation correctly
minor gust
dont get to hung up about secondaries they barely matter
sacred zodiac
if your mythic raiding I wouldnt spend any dinar on heroic items
heroic big red button
silk spade
heroic big red button
calm hollow
dont get to hung up about secondaries they barely matter
Thats what a Blue parser would say
minor gust
sacred zodiac
tacit crystal
<:her:1246582680225714236>
bro watching this guide
xdd
surely the boss just explodes
and i get to payphone on blue
sacred zodiac
which boss
sacred zodiac
it doesnt matter at all man
you're gonna damage gate so early you will not play the fight like the guide tells you
just spin in cirlces and have a plan for p2 pulls
minor gust
P1 is the same but P2 and 3 are a meme
tacit crystal
i also forgot about how we turbo outgear it
olive nest
More than one target
calm hollow
More than one target
spiral coral
More than one target
was doing one target, then I did more. It worked. Thanks.
olive nest
delicate violet
Hi, with the m+ build in aoe, without sweepings trikes, do i MS over overpower? or is MS just used to dump rage in aoe if cleave and 1 charge of op is on cd
minor gust
its a slam replacement
calm hollow
they kinda line up, if you use them together
heavy acorn
Guides don't list this trinket, maybe because it's so new. Seems pretty strong?
spiral coral
Does it scale up to heroic? I think the Nightfall stuff just does champ/vet
heavy acorn
Does it scale up to heroic? I think the Nightfall stuff just does champ/vet
That makes sense, probably not. Just champ is my bet.
spiral coral
Kinda insane that you can get an alt to like 645 in like an hour or two 😂
heavy acorn
yeah haha, the catch up is great. HOTC my priest and just started this war, already 652 with such min time played
spiral coral
As an altoholic I’m being spoiled
Still enjoying fury, the most trash ass spec this season over everything
Somehow
heavy acorn
I like how lazy arms is, way less things to track than my shadow priest
spiral coral
I kinda disagree. A lot to keep up with as Arms. Not as much as SPriest, but we got some good amount of stuff to keep track of.
quasi torrent
nein du
minor gust
well yeah your using eye of kezan
calm hollow
probably in a week or two, for the first 6 boss, we will use 4 mins trinkets
even mugzee was 5:34 this week
minor gust
HOC pacemaker whole tier cba anything else.
calm hollow
true, forgot that one
maybe from the vendor if i dont need anything else at that point
shadow ibex
First vault was pace
minor gust
same
shadow ibex
calm hollow
it was in my vault, week 2, together with mythic weapon, so i had to pick weap
minor gust
F
calm hollow
big F
minor gust
thats a tough choice
tbh I might have chosen pacemaker there
since crafted wep is an option and theres a ton of 2h weps this season
calm hollow
have it on my alt warr tho... did 1 m+ on one week, and it was the only choice
rng sucks
minor gust
meanwhile pacemaker would be hard to get
calm hollow
tbh I might have chosen pacemaker there
nah, at that point weapon was the best choice
i could craft crit embelish
both of them
and never seen a weapon in my vault since
minor gust
difficult choice but yeah ultimately wep is the best short term choice
slow saddle
Week 2 pacemaker on alt
shadow ibex
I passed on a mythic top ring for something idr
slow saddle
Havent seen on main
shadow ibex
I regret that but that's it
minor gust
my next Dinar will be mythic Jastor so not gonna craft a ring
minor gust
think 3 weeks
calm hollow
jastor + cauldron ring are the best
minor gust
yeah rn I got a heroic cauldron ring and a crafted ring
hexed garden
how should i be aligning my cds? with anger management ravager always comes off cd before avatar. should i use it anyways or wait for avatar? also demolish should be used with warbreaker? what hapens if warbreaker comes off cd before demolish does?
tacit crystal
you should hold ravager with cs
demolish in with cs
and in st on cs and demolish on cd until execute
slow saddle
my next Dinar will be mythic Jastor so not gonna craft a ring
Lowkey braggin he killed, gallyprick
minor gust
jokes on you I havent but ill be damn if we somehow dont kill him in the next 3 weeks.
would be a gquit angle if that happened
hexed garden
you should hold ravager with cs
what's cs?
nova marsh
what's cs?
Collusus smash
sick leaf
Cs= war breaker, yes?
minor gust
Warbreaker is the aoe version of Colossus Smash
rare kite
Cs= war breaker, yes?
warbringer*
minor gust
tacit crystal
rare kite
@slow saddle close
rare kite
sprocket hc xD. just did it for vault
slow saddle
I think i had perfect grp
rare kite
this is what happens when i don't use potions
rare kite
yea just funny how small the diff is
slow saddle
A potions wortg
🤣
Lol
I went into the log feelin good
Hunter beat me with 500k🤣🤣
teal fossil
rare kite
tru
slow saddle
3.5m hunter no pi
dim basalt
Vers is my best stat according to stat weights
rare kite
if i don't sim stat weights, how will i know which stats are good for me? 🙂
dim basalt
Dev blasting 5M on oab
shadow ibex
pre raid nerf
dim basalt
Imagine if we even came close
shadow ibex
slow saddle
But 500k
rare kite
3.5m hunter no pi
not even close to a 100 log either
slow saddle
Ikr
wanton sierra
how about m+ are u guys pushing?
dim basalt
I do dungeons twice a week at most
dim basalt
I meant pushing
slow saddle
12 i think
wanton sierra
bladestorm build fun? i might try for farming, i did alot of dungeons this week, im kinda fully upgraded
dim basalt
Does anyone here have a feral alt
slow saddle
bladestorm build fun? i might try for farming, i did alot of dungeons this week,...
Yes
Works fine in the 12-13-14s ive done
dim basalt
Frozen has done 15s and 16s with it
slow saddle
Its dmg is good
With some reap luck🤣
Can reap proc more than once per cleave?
Or does it have internal cd?
I 100% want a wa that shouts reap! When it procs
viscid geode
Can someone explain to me how to use droptimizer to just find upgrades on heroic items? Not looking for vault info
IG it would just be the 7-9 vault for heroic?
or is there a way to make dorptimizer show heroic items @ 671 item level?
round atlas
viscid geode
ayy thanks, overlooked that
molten crag
whats the best way to sim for arms for m+?
shadow ibex
5 target patchwerk
molten crag
ty
spiral coral
Does anyone here have a feral alt
Yea it’s dope
dim basalt
Yea it’s dope
Kinda overwhelming when popping all cds but it is really fun
And not nearly as complex as I thought it would be
arctic iris
Depends heavily on what kind of content you expect to be running
For example, if you're going to be doing a lot of delves, then hero track house of cards isn't actually that big a deal because you're likely to get Funhouse Lense, which is as good or better depending on the track and your other gear
You should use the droptimizer on raidbots to sim your options
nocturne oracle
ty
willow seal
can you get hero track fun house lens on delves?
tacit crystal
if you use a map
untold matrix
ravager in raid still better for execute focus in single target?
tacit crystal
no
icy atlas
Hey, so how does Arms compare to Fury in raids? Most sites seem to consider them neck and neck. But, what's everyone else's experience been?
opal swallow
reef glade
similar enough single target but lot of fights have aoe cleave and fury usually shines more there
and specifically oab and mugzee reward execute damage pretty heavily which is why lot of arms there
tho you dont "need" execute as heavily anymore its still usually just better to do that on them if you are comfortable with it
pmuch you can play whatever you want wherever you want but some shine more on some fights than others but wouldnt say its ever any more than like a 10% difference
icy atlas
Alright, good to know. Thanks
willow grove
so much damn crit. i cant help it
verbal marten
Well
Arms likes crit so
Ur good
But ur ilvls too low for u to worry abr secondaries
Focus on grinding ilvl
When i get to like 670 u can start worrying abt those
willow grove
alright thanks, will keep going. i dont feel super slow, just dunno what the.. like max is before its a waste to keep pumping into the stat.
verbal marten
You wont hit that anytime soon dw
Even if u do its not a huge dps loss unless u got a billion mastery low haste crit
balmy kindle
Realistically with how good H jastors is and neck pieces being bad it's hard to get alot of crit
maiden notch
Arms gets along with all stats very well. So having mastery isn’t a bad thing either exactly.
umbral granite
hey gang, how long do you guys hold Demolish?
Demo + Warbringer
im starting to think i just send it literally when its off CD with Demo
even if the mobs are on 10% or less
stable fiber
Demo + Warbringer
always with warbringer
umbral granite
cause theres been times where ive saved it for next pack, Warbringer'd and as im Demo'ing the tank moves and repositions mobs, effectivly nuking my Demo completely
stable fiber
you can leap during demo
umbral granite
basically meaning i shoudl have just sent it last pack
stable fiber
which helps for repositioning
also if you stack movement speed you can move slightly during it
umbral granite
Oh you can move? i thought it was like Arcane missiles, if you move you break it?
stable fiber
arcane missles does not break when you move it if your using the talent
which you do
umbral granite
sorry, a challange ability in general, shouldnt have been specific
stable fiber
there is a rare way to cancel demolish and im not sure how to do it
umbral granite
*channeled
stable fiber
but it happens some times and im not sure why
umbral granite
but back to my first question, do you hold?
stable fiber
id hold
umbral granite
or just simply send
so its really situational right>?
casue seeing that last swing of Demo miss is like a dagger to the heart lol
stable fiber
so its really situational right>?
not really, use it with warbreaker and dont use it at the end of a pull
and at the start of a new pull wait for the tank to set it up
grand basin
Do we actually have to use the best-in-slots active effect on the weapon?
eager sigil
Do we actually have to use the best-in-slots active effect on the weapon?
you dont have to
but its pretty good
grand basin
But it wont turn my weapon into a caster item after?
eager sigil
no only if you use it out of combat
hollow plover
Ohh i thougt it would change when i leave combat
macro /use [combat] 16
(16 is the mainhand item slot)
this way you're unable to accidentally press it out of combat
latent crystal
How do you guys prefer to sim for m+?
void bay
How do you guys prefer to sim for m+?
I just do 5x targets, but im casual
latent crystal
Alright, I was doing 8 for 1 min trying to simulate a larger pull but I am not sure about the timing.
gray herald
I just do 1 target 5 mins and feelycraft the rest
latent crystal
Feely-craft i a valid option tho! Thanks.
gray herald
and by feelycraft I mean use my brain and the data from other players to determine trinkets and big changes, but ST is always consistently required
but eg eye of kezan is obviously bis in 5+ mins but I know I probs don’t wanna use that outside of maybe cinderbrew if I know the group will never stop chaining
naive sage
How do you guys prefer to sim for m+?
I do single target sim + 7 targets 40 secs no bl sim for all my characters
wide pumice
shouldn't Martial Prowess proc after the first usage of overpower at 0:05:450?
sacred zodiac
ravager couldve eaten it
unsure how raidbots sample sequence displays unhinged hits
fresh spire
unsure how raidbots sample sequence displays unhinged hits
it doenst show up on the feed as far as i remember
rain cipher
How good Arms Slayer comparing to Colossus in M+? I find it sometimes hard to hit all adds especially when they are scattered.
minor gust
Are you doing title range keys?
Because the dmg difference isn't that crazy anymore you can play it if you want.
Just don't expect It to be better
rain cipher
is it like within 3% ?
I may play Slayer better than Colossus since Demolish is not hitting all target all the time.
minor gust
Then play slayer
sick leaf
I struggle with demolish range too. What is it? Is it a semi circle in front of you, or straight line?
hollow plover
is it like within 3% ?
its not within 3% no, but if you struggle with colossus, dont play colossus
(or just learn to improve at the spec)
balmy kindle
My only gripe with slayer in m+ is you do feel alot squishier and aoe you are at mercy of reap rng procs
Even on ST there's rng involved
minor gust
It's all personal pref that's the best we can ask for with hero talents.
sharp wyvern
next tier collosus is gonna be the ST spec for sure 
cap demolish at 1 target and double its dmg
fresh spire
give a set bonus that does sizeable ms damage potentially could happen
nova tundra
Hei guys I have a question regarding slayer:
Outside of execution range, do I always make sure to have 2 stacks of martial prowess before using my mortal strike? Should I have 2 stacks of martial prowesss AND 2 executioner's precision before mortal strike? Do I bother with martial prowess at all during exection phase, and should just focus on executioner' precision stacks + mortal strike? Thanks in advance 🙂
astral yarrow
you just follow the standard button priority and never put a second thought into martial prowess
nova tundra
oh ok, so basically mortal strike on CD and fill with overpower, but just make sure to cd on mortal strike regardless of how many martial prowess I have
gotcha
astral yarrow
only time mortal strike on CD isnt true, is in execute if you dont have 2x Executioners Precision on the target
eager nexus
How much dps increase is keeping stormbolt on cd?
astral yarrow
you dont keep it on cd, but you can press it during BS at a basically neglible gain
hollow plover
only time mortal strike on CD isnt true, is in execute if you dont have 2x Execu...
or extending jugg
