#arms
hexed snow
muted atlas
I was here a couple days ago and someone was talking about a weakaura to help with arms?
bright scarab
Why collat before demolish if we only have those two?
bright scarab
did you click the message i linked
I just didn’t understand it
bright scarab
he lectured for like 5 messages
Interesting thanks
spiral coral
I was here a couple days ago and someone was talking about a weakaura to help wi...
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opal swallow
So they are doing these class retrospectives, what are the chances warriors are the last to get one?
opal swallow
Curious to see both rogue and warrior, both classes got very little during the season
spiral coral
I thought rouge did there’s
dire hinge
I was here a couple days ago and someone was talking about a weakaura to help wi...
Do you remember the topic? The big ones that come to mind are Sudden Death conditionals and the Opportunist fix for the buff
muted atlas
Do you remember the topic? The big ones that come to mind are Sudden Death condi...
All I know was it was said that with a couple WA the spec was pretty simple
dire hinge
Gocha, yeah honestly with those two auras all you need to do is set up your bar to match the Priority List then click buttons as they’re available.
Still takes a little bit of class knowledge but it’s a pretty straight forward spec
dire hinge
Aura 1: If you’re playing Opportunist (hero talent) this fixes a blizzard bug where the buff doesn’t show for 0.5sec, which can cause rotation hiccups: https://wago.io/Q5KkvQ0m2
Aura 2: makes “ka-Ching” sound for when you should press Execute: https://wago.io/9n9GqeQ6-
Then just grab whatever “arms pack” you want, complete preference
robust cypress
dire hinge
Updated ♥️
tacit crystal
they tell you when to press overpower and execute
i think you can play without the execute one but the opportunist one is so useful because of the delay
dire hinge
Yeah, the execute one lowers the amount of thinking you have to do. Hear noise press button
tacit crystal
yeah but i like doing the thinking
otherwise there is very little left
also it doesnt let me greed the casts
rough sluice
finally done, first time playing arms
timber girder
yeah but i like doing the thinking
try arcane mage xD removes any willingless to do such things manually
minor gust
finally done, first time playing arms
lean geode
Me when I poopsock keys for 2 weeks just to wipe another 100 times on sprocket because our healers and ranged are braindead 
(my 8 item level made a huge difference)
minor gust
sounds like sprocket prog
lean geode
This is a really bad tier for your best players to be your mdps
Every boss is just brain off payphone for melee
Ranged have all the responsibility
tacit crystal
yeah
lean geode
You guys ever just pug normal
And there's a warrior playing double on use 2m trinkets
And warbreaker in single target spec
reef glade
baseg?
lean geode
And another warrior playing thane on vexie
lean geode
And warbreaker in single target spec
update they're also playing SkS
lean geode
i havent entered normal since week
alt angle
How much do you want to bet I windmill dunk on both of them
lean geode
Pugs are truly built differently
stuck nimbus
Hey for m+ I see the archon webpage has a slightly different build than the one on wowhead. Changes out executioner precision and finishing blows for 2/2 bloodborne. And then warlord for blademaster.
Is this a thing for very high keys only or are there different builds going around?
I assume slayer is still behind for m+ as well? Or equal now
tacit crystal
slayer is still behind
the change in the talent pages are minimal
warlords vs blademasters is st vs aoe
same thing with ep and 2 bb
stuck nimbus
sounds like executioner would be much more st damage than 2/2 bb on aoe dmg no? Or are bleeds just that impactful?
minor gust
It's just a st vs AOE choice nothing complicated
tacit crystal
me when i stated that
minor gust
stuck nimbus
Yes I understand that, I was just checking in case that was a very large st loss for a small aoe gain which was only worth it on specific scenarios
minor gust
You can always just sim it yourself if you want specifics
tacit crystal
the difference
for ep 2 bb
is like 2% both ways
like
and warlords and blademasters
is prob less
tacit crystal
lean geode
Did you forget where you are located
tacit crystal
refer to the image
lean geode
https://discord.com/channels/148872210742771712/148898695696482305/1371652691121...
Didn't ask + touch grass
shadow ibex
i swear i fucking hate jug
mug is perfect for it with everything you get to exe and still lose uptime
earnest imp
yeah but why not 1 button that does it all haha
shadow ibex
this shit is so dead
steel furnace
shadow ibex
mug i mean
dim moth
if my guild is trying to push OAB before 6th reel assistants and skipping coin + bomb I am assuming I just play slayer arms right? isnt a big reason why you play either thane fury or colossus arms the bomb sets?
shadow ibex
yea
its probably hard to justify colossus or thane now. the only scary set is that first one imo
i guess if ur the only dps in ur raid who is really nuking them
harsh pike
Slayer in M+ follows the same priority as Colossus for AoE? Cleave > MS > OP ?
What about execution procs
minor gust
Slayer in M+ follows the same priority as Colossus for AoE? Cleave > MS > OP ?
W...
Cleave > OP >MS and Exe at 3 MFE stacks or SD is about to fall off and your not at 3 imminent demise stacks
tacit crystal
hi
minor gust
with DN but as Slayer you prob should always be playing DN you need the the aoe not ST
tacit crystal
someone help me kill mugzee
lean geode
with DN but as Slayer you prob should always be playing DN you need the the aoe ...
Fair enough
gusty eagle
hey guys, so HoC over BiS ideally cuz of on top cds or it doesnt matter?
sullen swan
I think having house sync so well with Avatar, and it suedo helps us with mastery it just wins over a weapon. Maybe I’m wrong.
But for me personally jasters and HoC sim more than anything else
dim basalt
Normal to myth HoC sims like only +16k for me
Oh nvm its 28k
But Im still on the lower end compared to guildies
sudden iron
whats the difference between strength to arms and dreadnaught? been checking logs and people are running both and I don't understand
minor gust
ST vs AOE
sudden iron
also wowhead recommends executionners precision over 2x bloodborne & finishing blows (which is what I mostly see on logs), what are the cons of either?
minor gust
ST vs AOE
sudden iron
what is what? DN st & Str to arms AoE?
2x BB & finishing blows st & Executionners precision AoE?
minor gust
SOA will be your ST option DN is your AOE option, 2x BB will be your aoe EP+FB will be more ST
sudden iron
Aight roger, thank you very much!
minor gust
its all minor optimizations so prio what you want more
note that 2x BB will have more of a general use as its an AOE gain and is useful in ST aswell meanwhile EP will only have ST value
sudden iron
This makes sense, ty for the helpful insights
Will mess around with both and figure out what I like more
minor gust
🫡
Most ppl myself included have opted out of EP and FB for x2 BB due to how colossus treats exe but again all your choice
minor gust
its just a slam replacement is all
sudden iron
So will trial and error
fresh spire
slow saddle
i mean
the dmg increase is not that good on EP
imho at least in keys on bosses
havent noticed any meaningfull difference
Now if exe would give stacks again
I would be in so fast Massacre + EP
weak wave
What's everyone's choice for dinars <:okayge:917646812519739433>
Mythic Ring from Donkey Kong & T-Rex
balmy kindle
Damn that's a good one, I have it on h track 
Now M raid tho
spiral coral
I feel like I don’t even look at loot at the end of m+ dungeons anymore. All season I haven’t gotten shit but a shield I gave to a pally.
slow saddle
Jastors ? <:clueless:1099922541923024997>
Yes hc.though
My normal outsims mythic rings
slow saddle
Mythic Ring from Donkey Kong & T-Rex
Y i have that ring🤣
hollow plover
What's everyone's choice for dinars <:okayge:917646812519739433>
best in slots for gally prog
hollow plover
Mythic Ring from Donkey Kong & T-Rex
thats not part of the item pool you can purchase afaik
spiral coral
What's everyone's choice for dinars <:okayge:917646812519739433>
Jastors or hoc
Doesn’t really matter to me pushing m+
Damage will be shit regardless 
dim basalt
skill issue
hollow plover
Regardless, don't go hoping to buy the cauldron of carnage ring @weak wave - Rings are not part of the purchase table. The vendor sells Weapons, Trinkets and Rare Items
spiral coral
skill issue
spec issue
dim basalt
Why do people genuinely act like arms is bad tho
spiral coral
It’s not
hollow plover
Why do people genuinely act like arms is bad tho
Design wise at most
spiral coral
Im a warrior defender, but I can be objective. Arms is pretty middle of the pack, and does ok.
But to say it’s “fine” or “good” and we don’t need help in m+ is egregious
dim basalt
Arms is good in M+, not just middle of the pack
Only issue is that its hard to build a good comp with Arms
Spec itself is good though
sick leaf
Hey guys, quick question. If you have a pack of 10 mobs all tightly together and you thubderclap, should you thinderclap as soon as possible again? And will it apply rend to the 5 targets that don’t have it? Assuming all 10 targets are within range?
gray herald
Hey guys, quick question. If you have a pack of 10 mobs all tightly together and...
sweep ur thunderclap
dim basalt
didnt sweep only give +1 extra target?
No, its super inconsistent with what it does
Think that was discussed last night or two nights ago
Sometimes 6 targets with extended duration on some, sometimes 8, blabla
gray herald
I sweep thunderclapped first pull in dfc last night and it put rend on 10 targets
but i havent tested it
dim basalt
Doesnt work all the time
gray herald
at all
sick leaf
So if it doesn’t work all the time, would you clap X 2?
dim basalt
You clap once in the beginning of the pull and thats it
sick leaf
And does it apply rend to the mobs that don’t have it
dim basalt
You dont try to spread it actively
sick leaf
Ok
hollow plover
And does it apply rend to the mobs that don’t have it
it doesnt force apply to unapplied targets no
dim basalt
Unless you have absolutely nothing to press
hollow plover
that i can tell you for sure
it probably should, though
it's another one of those arms issues that are easily fixable
sick leaf
Appreciate it
spiral coral
And does it apply rend to the mobs that don’t have it
Should get used to looking at the rend timer (and knowing what other buffs/debuffs) above mobs heads, pretty good habit.
hollow wave
Rend is such an useless ability
dim basalt
Should get used to looking at the rend timer (and knowing what other buffs/debuf...
Whats the point though?
You press TC before burst, maybe you press TC after burst
You dont care about timers
spiral coral
youuu don’t care. I do. You absolutely reapply rend to bosses and it’s a good habit.
Mobs, not so much, sure.
dim basalt
But you dont need that as a debuff on enemy bars
That just clutters your screen even more
spiral coral
Your opinion.
dim basalt
Just have it in your normal WA lol
delicate mulch
Rend is such an useless ability
THANK YOU
spiral coral
Yeah I’ve done my best to get away from add ons or wa’s telling me stuff. And tried to idk, learn the game and react to stuff without a wa telling me to, but because I know why I’m doing it and why I’m reacting to it.
Just me though.
delicate mulch
rend does abt half as much damage over time then a MS
Almost every button does more then damage then the full duration of rend
All besides slam I believe
spiral coral
Over the duration of a dungeon, it’s a good bit.
delicate mulch
Only time it should be pressed is for rage dumping
When Cleave and overpower are on CD
hollow wave
Rend is the kinda of ability that they forgot to remove and has been there all the way since classic
dim basalt
When Cleave and overpower are on CD
Bro casually forgets about MS
delicate mulch
lol
delicate mulch
cleave > ms > op
🤦♂️
astral yarrow
cant stop me cleaving and op'ing instead
spiral coral
Wendy’s > McDonalds > Burger King
hollow wave
If you delete rend from warrior now and increase 3% overall, there wouldn't make any difference
hollow plover
cant stop me cleaving and op'ing instead <:bedge:882323848844963860>
i mean its close anyway
delicate mulch
cant stop me cleaving and op'ing instead <:bedge:882323848844963860>
that’s what you do
hollow plover
and one can argue that OP is better in cooldowns due to downtime between packs
astral yarrow
im here for the overall, not for max 5target
astral yarrow
that’s what you do
technically no, but realistically yes
cause im not counting whether there is 10 or 8 mobs
and cba remembering what optimal ms over op mob count is during sweep
dim basalt
cause im not counting whether there is 10 or 8 mobs
We lack the intelligence to count anyway, gotta zugzug
MS is always optimal over OP, theres nothing to remember
spiral coral
Doing pulls as a warlock feels fucking insane. Being uncapped is wild
hollow wave
MS is always optimal over OP, theres nothing to remember
Not when you have no rage
hollow plover
MS is always optimal over OP, theres nothing to remember
if i know a big cleave is coming within a few gcd's, im pressing OP. let me prepare that big doofus
dim basalt
Not when you have no rage
So, almost never
dim basalt
Agree 100%
astral yarrow
nah, you dont care, you just follow priority
sick leaf
So I’m new to arms, and the thing I’m struggling with most is keeping eye on what’s available to send. Everything has a CD. Vs fury, where it’s just ramp rb ramp rb blast with some occasional BT, I’m struggling to know what’s available and what to send. I defaulted to using Hekili, which I’ve decided I absolutely need to stop because I’m not getting better.
astral yarrow
theres some minor gain to play for tier set at 7 stacks, but miss me with that shit
delicate mulch
you really dont have to prolong it
So you don’t want to keep the haste amp??
dim basalt
So you don’t want to keep the haste amp??
You cant rely on rng
astral yarrow
So I’m new to arms, and the thing I’m struggling with most is keeping eye on wha...
Arms pretty much boils down to always MS on cooldown, keep OP recharging and send your cooldowns as they get ready
Oh and get the execute conditionals WA
delicate mulch
You cant rely on rng
but if you don’t hit the button it’ll never happen
dim basalt
But you do, thats the point?
astral yarrow
you press OP a lot regardless of what build you are playing
dim basalt
Im really not sure why youre trying to argue here
sick leaf
Arms pretty much boils down to *always* MS on cooldown, keep OP recharging and s...
Should you be playing around stacking everything for big cleaves?
delicate mulch
Any have a +15 psf to compare logs with the 2 trains of thought?
dim basalt
It has been simmed to death
sick leaf
To be clear, I’m only playing arms in M+. Got stuck at 13s and was tired of trolling keys as fury
astral yarrow
Should you be playing around stacking everything for big cleaves?
no, you should be following priority at every turn until you are at a point where you feel like you know the value of holding Collataral Cleave for a WB+MBG lineup
until you feel comfortable making that call as you go, just hit cleave at 3+ targets
dim basalt
Should you be playing around stacking everything for big cleaves?
yes and no, if the cooldowns align then yes (like within a few seconds), otherwise you just send stuff
sick leaf
I actually just dropped a 13 psf log in the log channel if you have a sec to peek. I think there is probably some big ticket items that I’m just missing
sick leaf
no, you should be following priority at every turn until you are at a point wher...
Ok cool. Maybe I’m just overthinking everything
delicate mulch
I actually just dropped a 13 psf log in the log channel if you have a sec to pee...
from a first glance looks like you need to hit more cleaves
astral yarrow
Sweeping strikes is what sort of makes the spec weird along with the variable CDs
delicate mulch
With rage CD reduction
astral yarrow
Fury shit just gets put into a macro and when it lines up with avatar, it lines up 🤷♀️
sick leaf
from a first glance looks like you need to hit more cleaves
I feel like I’m sending when available? Could it be a gearing thing? Everything I have is stacked for fury, do I need more haste or something
astral yarrow
Its probably more of a problem with fucking up something basic
delicate mulch
Its probably more of a problem with fucking up something basic
Legit no help…
balmy kindle
Honestly even without crit u can do alot of dmg
balmy kindle
So it's likely you not pressing 
delicate mulch
I feel like I’m sending when available? Could it be a gearing thing? Everything ...
are you playing the warlords torment talent?
astral yarrow
making sure the burst window is done correctly is something basic that is easily fixed
delicate mulch
Left tree middle bottom
delicate mulch
but slayer slays
it’s decent
slow saddle
i almost beat a hunter in
meadery
it is funny though when cleave is 18% off overall reap is 15% op is 14
i wonder what we are pressing ^^
ofc collosus is still better
but it is nice having that more ST
astral yarrow
ST is for raid
slow saddle
true true
also does feel weird Sending Bladestorm and then sending cds 🙂
but seems like the better solution
sick leaf
are you playing the warlords torment talent?
Yes
slow saddle
well warlords torment is balls
sick leaf
Is balls good or bad in this context lol
astral yarrow
Blademasters for big cleaves
astral yarrow
did you have a log @sick leaf
slow saddle
thought it is fun when u WB - AVATAR - DEmo and u get more crit
Still say it should be crit AND crit dmg
sick leaf
Yes, I posted in log channel. Says New To Arms- help!
halcyon breach
Is balls good or bad in this context lol
@quasi torrent is 
good or bad
quasi torrent
depends
slow saddle
Yes, I posted in log channel. Says New To Arms- help!
first of all
remove EP
and FB
take bb
go blademasters torment
if u want a better overall at least
u could also take Wrecking throw for free dmg once or twice
1 more thing is... playing with that Low crit will feel awfull for resets most likely esp in ST
dno if it rly matters for dmg. prob not
sick leaf
What’s EP/FB/BB
slow saddle
Executiners precesion - Finishing blows
u can also replace Strength of arms with Dreadnaught
again key dependant. but u posted a priory
astral yarrow
ok so a few pointers
- after Ravager, you want to spend every possible global on cleave. Not sweep, TC and WB
- Roar is the only CD button you send dry, but you should look to have roar and WB duration overlap
- Slam is an illegal button in aoe - press TC instead if MS, OP and Cleave is on CD
- Execute is (in standard m+ build) just a slightly better Slam. MS, OP and Cleave are better buttons in every scenario
as an example of what im talking about being illegal
sick leaf
Awesome, thank you! Super helpful
astral yarrow
Either hold roar/demolish for next WB or at least have demolish be within the debuff
This is what i meant about "fucking up something basic"
this is the first pull of the linked log, and you WB basically as your MBG (ravager) window runs out
slow saddle
also avatar very early 😄
astral yarrow
Its fine to TC/cleave/op as pull gets setup, but your burst window should be roar->sweep->wb+avatar->ravager->cleave and then just fill 6ish stacks of colossus might and then send demolish
you can kinda skirt that sometimes by building stacks pre burst n shit, but you'll get a feel for it slowly
Hope you got some of what you were looking for. If you have specific questions, just tag me @sick leaf
halcyon breach
@astral yarrow when Pile On?
astral yarrow
That sounds kinda hot
sacred zodiac
Hope you got some of what you were looking for. If you have specific questions, ...
Do not tag this guy
He will ask you for inappropriate pictures in dms
astral yarrow
and i will kabum
sacred zodiac
He asked me to send him my favourite mortal strike crit
delicate mulch
Yes
usually you play the other one depending on the dungeon
It’ll get you more cleaves
astral yarrow
just play blademasters everywhere
sick leaf
Hope you got some of what you were looking for. If you have specific questions, ...
Appreciate it!
thick kelp
just play blademasters everywhere <:bedge:882323848844963860>
Comfy choice
slow saddle
All dungeons love bigger cleaves
olive nest
icy mulch
ok so a few pointers
1. after Ravager, you want to spend every possible global o...
I don't know why, but I absolutely love describing using Roar "dry." Lmao
I will forever more consider abilities while in cool.down windows "wet."
atomic mountain
what do we buy from dinars mythic m+ and hero raid?
slow saddle
Jastor
hexed snow
what do we buy from dinars mythic m+ and hero raid?
Whatever sims best for you
slow saddle
Pacemaker mby
icy mulch
I'm prolly grabbing mythic BiS weapon.
hexed snow
Probably Jastor, HoC, Best in Slots etc
icy mulch
From M+ hmm, not sure.
slow saddle
I'm prolly grabbing mythic BiS weapon.
Im on stix
fathom wraith
anyone got any tips for simming with the new track upgrades or wait till tomorrow for functionality?
atomic mountain
Whatever sims best for you
how?
atomic mountain
yes but i cnat sim anything thats not in my bag or vault
icy mulch
Use droptimizer and you should be fine.
fathom wraith
Use droptimizer and you should be fine.
thats not showing new ivl increase atm though? or am i missing something
hexed snow
yes but i cnat sim anything thats not in my bag or vault
You can by searching for the item
And then adding the plus 6 hidden ilvl by manually writing the ilvl
atomic mountain
You can by searching for the item
kk
hexed snow
Or 8 or whatever it is
fathom wraith
amazing, ty
icy mulch
thats not showing new ivl increase atm though? or am i missing something
I was more referring to dinar picks.
atomic mountain
i hope blizz will add more loot from m+ next season 😦
fathom wraith
I was more referring to dinar picks.
ye tbh, im just utilising it for that at the moment to see what i might take
hexed snow
Yes this season was kinda boring with trinkets at least
icy mulch
Ara-kara might be back... so sacbrood I guess?
hexed snow
Pacemaker and then done
atomic mountain
Ara-kara might be back... so sacbrood I guess?
not might be back. it will be back
atomic mountain
Pacemaker and then done
well i think i gonna grap shit for my tank then XD
icy mulch
Heh, King's Rest might be back as well. Getti'ku anyone?
hexed snow
Depends on next seasons raid weapons
atomic mountain
i hate raiding cause noone want me 😦
hexed snow
i hate raiding cause noone want me 😦
Why not
celest forge
i hate raiding cause noone want me 😦
Noone can be lusty like that
slow saddle
Heh, King's Rest might be back as well. Getti'ku anyone?
Plz yes
atomic mountain
Why not
idk they didnt even want to take me in to hc raiding with 665+ gs in week 4/5. just a unlucky bustard
last raid a avg from 91 in normal and 80 in hero also noone want me XD
balmy kindle
Pug raiding always a crap shot
atomic mountain
Pug raiding always a crap shot
also recruting raids dont take me
balmy kindle
Better to join a guild thats full of uncles 
Pretty sure aotc guilds are still there though
atomic mountain
Better to join a guild thats full of uncles <:okayge:917646812519739433>
0 chance for me. i tryed the whole last season to find ether a m+ team or M raid
nothing
whole season 2 same
balmy kindle
I mean M raid is not uncle level for sure
I am in an ex CE guild 🤣, but we are now aotc only
atomic mountain
well i have aotc but also.... i didnt give a fuck on this kills cause it made 0 fun = shit logs noone takes me even for the 1st 2 on m
balmy kindle
M pub is going to be hard as war DPS though
atomic mountain
so i swap to tank fully then?
balmy kindle
Realistically if you played healer or tank it's probably easier , but tanks also have the problem that groups tend to stick to a fixed tank rotation
So you need to form your own group
Theres a good reason why high end m+ is more preferable
atomic mountain
and thats fine. but i dont know why only fury get into fucking 14+ didnt saw a single arms in finder
balmy kindle
Pretty sure arms is preferred at 14+ but caster comps are more common
Also harsh competition from ret and dk
atomic mountain
thats why i rerolled on tank lol 😄
spiral coral
GL with vaults everyone!
icy mulch
M pub is going to be hard as war DPS though
Why were actually good in raid.
atomic mountain
u too bro. have to wait 15 more hours
icy mulch
It's about 5 hours for us if servers are down for full maintenance.
spiral coral
0 chance for me. i tryed the whole last season to find ether a m+ team or M raid
Do you dm people? Add people? Are you outgoing? Do you annoy tanks with niceness so much so they put you in their backpack? If not, you should.
sacred zodiac
Why were actually good in raid.
Woke opinion
gray herald
is there gonna be a log partition for turboboost
sacred zodiac
Ye probably
gray herald
tbh i thought it'd usually be there already with 0 logs in it
balmy kindle
Why were actually good in raid.
The stereotype of war bad
Also arms dropped quite a fair bit in "rankings"
steep osprey
this isn't classic wow
where being in "mid" range is so far behind warriors lol
this is farily balanced
we are good in raid
balmy kindle
You are not wrong but pugs being pugs
manic egret
is it only heroic and myth track gear that is going +6? what about 665 delve gear?
icy mulch
Heroic and mythic tracks are going from 6/6 to 6/8.
gray herald
is it only heroic and myth track gear that is going +6? what about 665 delve gea...
665 delve gear is also on the "hero" track
so it will go to 671, just to expand on what osaliske said
manic egret
thanks
dry canopy
Pretty sure arms is preferred at 14+ but caster comps are more common
depends the higher you go the more physi comps you see.
slow saddle
Do you dm people? Add people? Are you outgoing? Do you annoy tanks with niceness...
If he somewhat semi competent i shower with praise
slow saddle
depends the higher you go the more physi comps you see.
Y mm/bm, rogues,enhance,dk. Rets ye many decent comps for ap
thick kelp
Forbidden m+
lunar remnant
Had to uninstall this weekend my newborn won’t let me get keys in reliably hopefully be back for S3 hanging up the 2hander 😞
fresh spire
quaint otter
can u get me
wrong group
thick kelp
wrong group
right group now : 3
zenith warren
is 675 gilded discount supposed to work on mains too?
sacred zodiac
If your alt has a higher ilvl piece in that slot than your main then yes
Its not an Overall crest discount its a catchup discount
zenith warren
I see
quaint otter
Ye game is hard
thick kelp
which guy are u
quaint otter
shamm
thick kelp
ic
quaint otter
legend.
nova marsh
Guys is turbo boost worth coming back
nova tundra
Hei guys - I just simmed myself and found that I get +dps by dumping cyrce's for miniature roulette wheel (+6k haste, 1k vers) and fadec champ ring. Both are ~660 ilvl, and I am 652. Buddy says I should trust the usage data and keep the cyrces even though I sim with less dps with it. What should I do? Is cyrce's still the better choice?
trim lintel
trust the bot
nova tundra
How much difference is there?
if I max the ring (hero ring) I get +65k
slow saddle
Keep in mind every1 has different gear ans cyrce's is just a good stat sticl
slow saddle
if I max the ring (hero ring) I get +65k
Na?
nova tundra
na?
slow saddle
I use it as fury but on arms i use jastor + myth traxk ring
warped idol
can you have two crafted rings?
shadow ibex
It's a belt next
harsh pike
im thinking if i should ignore jastor diamond and pick up 2 trinkets with cartel chip
eager nexus
Im between getting jastors and kezan.
mild pier
Id say sim it but take the potential farmability in account, depending on the trinkets you want
harsh pike
Im between getting jastors and kezan.
as 1st pick?
1st pick gotta be the weapon for me
mild pier
Mythic BIS is a instant pick if you can 100%
mild pier
If it heroic BIS dont
Crafted better
The buff is not better then the weapon DPS diff
eager nexus
I would already have kezans eye but someone in our guild ninjaed it then hopped guild
mild pier
That sucks
But not even sure I would take a Kezan tbh, it sims the same as HoC and HoC is more versatile
native obsidian
I really like Circe and the belt and all borrowed power items. Something more interesting to think about than just upgrading I level
mild pier
Yeah if you alredy got them you have the choice
teal fossil
I really like Circe and the belt and all borrowed power items. Something more in...
True I’m bad so I let borrowed power carry my damage
slow saddle
I really like Circe and the belt and all borrowed power items. Something more in...
Same idm at all
Even if circe ended as annoyin statstick
eager nexus
I do love delves tho
slow saddle
Lets c how much u gotta farm
spiral coral
I don’t mind delves. Until I clear the whole thing and realize I forgot to pick up X bullshit to start the boss fight and have to walk all the way through again
vast drum
What should I spend my 1st dinar on? 2nd and 3rd will be saved for HoC + BiS when I get them down in myth but a little lost on third. Sprocket trinket feels like a waste for only a 3k diff over myth pigliver. Already have hero eye + jastor
minor gust
looks like its a HOC first angle for me BIS is barely an upg
dry canopy
Y mm/bm, rogues,enhance,dk. Rets ye many decent comps for ap
idk i never play with rets they are ok though.
silver mica
BIS was showing as such a little upgrade it’s not worth spending on
shadow ibex
looks like its a HOC first angle for me BIS is barely an upg
Bis is about 1% for me
Do you have heroic hoc?
minor gust
yeah
shadow ibex
What % is the hoc
minor gust
1%
shadow ibex
minor gust
Bis is about 1% for me
idk how your BIS is 1% for your but .1% for me kek
runic rock
got a 2hand myth track in vault, is it better to grab that after upgrades than just upgrade my crafted weapon?
minor gust
wait im dumb
runic rock
you get like 3 or 4 more ilvls out of the myth track gear right?
runic rock
is the darm moon ascendency worth the loss of 3 ilvls?
smoky kayak
looks like its a HOC first angle for me BIS is barely an upg
did you upgrade it all the way?
nevermind, guess you found it lol
stable fiber
sacred zodiac
crazy (2%)
minor gust
~~did you upgrade it all the way?~~
nevermind, guess you found it lol
yeah was looking at the wrong one kek
regal dragon
Is heroic BiS better then crafted two hand now? or no?
regal dragon
<#1234949058121171069>
thank you!
mystic obsidian
is there any situation where i use demolish without CS?
minor gust
when CS is 10 or 15+ seconds on cd and demolish is up
cloud orbit
US friends, any issue with upgrading/recrafting gear? 😅
smoky kayak
Considering they’re apparently not NA, I would assume they’re not on yet and are just asking about any surprise Blizzard Bugs™️
misty sandal
So basically, my sims and the faqs are telling me that the raid items are useless and the only good trinket is the pacemaker
smoky kayak
If you’re already mostly H/M geared and don’t have those bosses unlocked, then yeah it’s quite possible
On the other hand, it also means you don’t need bad luck protection cause you already got everything! What an over achiever
cedar warren
hey! not sure if it was said or no. dinar wise, heroic jasper or mythic improvised seaforium?
misty sandal
I don't think my guild is going to make much progress through mythic this time around so I think I might as well just replace everything else with crafted pieces...
smoky kayak
hey! not sure if it was said or no. dinar wise, heroic jasper or mythic improvis...
You can and should sim individual comparisons yourself, since everyone’s gear is different
prime bramble
Dinars in a weird could be better could be worse spot kekw
I'll never understand why they didn't just give it a unique upgrade track like previous itterations
swift crown
previous... iterations?
misty sandal
Df season 4 and shadowlands s4.
swift crown
Shadowlands S4 worked very differently
prime bramble
Both previous dinars worked different but they both had unique upgrade tracks no?
swift crown
Shadowlands Dinars and upgrade tracks were independent
you could upgrade any item in Shadowlands to higher difficulty versions
not just ones bought with Dinars
and that was kind of testing the waters for an upgrade system we got now
fwiw I BIG agree that if you buy say a Heroic Jastor with a Dinar there should be a way to turn that specific Jastor into a Mythic Jastor once you kill Gallywix
nimble acorn
they shouldn't have done them at all except maybe s4 seasons, every post i see about these dinars is just people complaining about them
blizz woulda been better off not bringing them at all
swift crown
sure
also agree with that
they were always gonna crumble under the insane expectations
no matter how good
dim basalt
OAB just parried SD twice
And I dropped my jugg
Remove this dogshit mechanic already
holy shit
swift crown
You HAVE to stop with this dogshit AI image
quasi torrent
You HAVE to stop with this dogshit AI image
i shall not
teal fossil
that’s not ai bro
quasi torrent
that’s not ai bro
?
gaunt owl
embrace the schmididi toilet
quasi torrent
Schmididi toilet
swift crown
that’s not ai bro
Consider buying glasses
swift crown
embrace the schmididi toilet
I will NOT embrace the Schmididi toilet
steep osprey
yo, are there any gamer that had to play the earthshaker gaol on mugzee mythic? how do I jump out?
tall flare
You get gripped
gloomy jacinth
my sim is saying heroic lock-n-stalk is better then mythic seaforium and hc house of cards, is this supposed ot be the case? Is this one of those bait trinkets?
swift crown
yo, are there any gamer that had to play the earthshaker gaol on mugzee mythic? ...
You... just do it
Timing is finnicky
quasi torrent
i would not recommend doing it at this stage of the tier
the odds of you griefing the timing vs the gain
is just
not worth
👍
minor gust
just sit in jail like a good boy
formal glacier
Random question, what would be the better vault upgrade. Heroic Best-in-slots or Heroic Jastor Diamond? I currently have Heroic Dumpster Diver Axe and Heroic Bloodoath Signet.
swift crown
the odds of you griefing the timing vs the gain
this as well
This is what it looks like ~roughly
gloomy jacinth
Random question, what would be the better vault upgrade. Heroic Best-in-slots or...
jastor diamond, you get more crafting a weapon then using best-in-slots on heroic track
swift crown
but again you HAVE to jump with like.. 0.1s remaining at most
or you grief your jail
steep osprey
but again you HAVE to jump with like.. 0.1s remaining at most
I have to play the first add in our raid, so I mean jumping out before I get yeeted out and destroy a wall
gusty eagle
Guys if i care about both specs for raiding, i should go dawnthread or duskthread for crafts?
smoky kayak
dusk is better than dawn anyway
odd mist
What is the best dinar purchase for someone who doesn’t do mythic raid and already have myth track Improvised Seaforium Pacemaker, myth weapon and also 2 myth rings?
quaint otter
house of balls / jastor?
smoky kayak
yep, even Heroic house of cards is probably your best second trinket cause of on-use dominance
and heroic jastor is still very good
odd mist
It feels bad to take a hero track item, but all the other m+ trinkets are trash, so this is the only way
lost forum
is there a way i can find out what a cloak will catalyze to before i select it from the vault?
broken arrow
chuck your current cloak into catalyst and look,
dim basalt
wtf
hexed snow
already almost done
😋
dim basalt
Is the new belt not available yet?
swift crown
It's coming in .7
dim basalt
aye
swift crown
it's more than a month away
slow saddle
already almost done
Mr valorstones🤣
minor gust
just steal from atls
waxen storm
already almost done
I can smell your room from EU
minor gust
took only 6 keys so smells pretty fresh
untold pewter
Is it ok to macro HoC to avatar and BIS to CS?
waxen storm
took only 6 keys so smells pretty fresh
jk gratz
agile igloo
yo did arms get a stealth buff, feel like I am doing way more damage than last week
have not changed my ilvl yet still 670
quaint otter
maybe u got better
candid pecan
yo did arms get a stealth buff, feel like I am doing way more damage than last w...
stealth buff?
OKAY
maybe they gave us 3% too, not only ferals
agile igloo
maybe u got better
maybe lol, doubt it
sharp wyvern
just highrolling your crit chance
minor gust
sim
lime ruin
😄
candid pecan
https://www.wowhead.com/news/best-puzzling-cartel-chip-purchases-for-all-classes-in-the-war-within-season-2-376846?utm_source=discord-webhook if you cba to sim
but yes, BIS weap should pull ahead in sim
untold pewter
Guys what's the ideal way to use BiS when you have 1 on-use trinket (HoC)?
Do you just send it on CD after the 20sec?
Or do you send it with a CS outside of avatar?
teal fossil
Next warbreaker
untold pewter
Aye thanks
safe parrot
hey all, wanted to ask if anyone here is actually using best in slots. ever since new raid came out its been simming pretty low for me but most guides still say its bis.
safe parrot
i see, thank you for your input
sudden fox
Raidbots not have 681 craft support yet?
untold pewter
It does
untold pewter
I mean it's there for droptimizer and top gear
sudden fox
What I just posted is Top Gear
untold pewter
Top gear
untold pewter
You edited your message
But ok
You had only asked "681 support yet?" without specifying crafted
sudden fox
no i edited 'having' to 'have'
sudden fox
Doesnt sim properly it seems
untold pewter
Ah shit
weak wave
Jastor basically adds 660 2nd stat?
random ibex
question with yall, last week guild had a 2% OAB wipe, definitely getting this week. thoughts on sending dinar on heroic jastor or hold for mythic when we get it
sudden fox
Sim and hold
sick leaf
Wouldn’t BiS after kill be more valuable than HC Jastor?
sudden fox
Mythic HoC will most likely be bigger though
sudden fox
Wouldn’t BiS after kill be more valuable than HC Jastor?
Depends what weapon he has
sick leaf
Same thing. More value if he waits
fresh spire
do you have to enable the sims currency section to have enough crests/the new item potentially for craft, check thatr
wraith crag
I know the answer is sim it, but is the siren isle ring done with two good myth track rings now?
minor gust
why ask if you know the answer
wraith crag
Because I’m not in front of my computer
wraith crag
Fair.
wide pier
Does eye of kezan need a custom APL? Seems to be simming pretty low
random ibex
Depends what weapon he has
i have these two choices
sudden fox
Then damn yeah youd probably get more from HoC but sim it lol
sudden fox
Does eye of kezan need a custom APL? Seems to be simming pretty low
Compared to what? And what ilvl? Gains value on longer fights too
halcyon valve
i have these two choices
Axe for gamba
random ibex
nah im a massochist
pale pond
Can someone help me with deciding what to pick with dinars? I kinda suck with sims so i dunno what to do
lime ruin
Mythic best in slots, mythic house of cards
mythic seaforium
and heroic jastor diamond maybe
pale pond
mythic house of cards is unachievable fr me. a heroic jastor sounds cool but i have a crafted ring what do i do?
jastor is simming highest on st, and 5th on dungeon slice.
minor gust
if your not killing mythic then your only dinar option is jastors
everything else doesnt matter
narrow panther
hello bois. 1 question ( couldnt fine an answer). With the posibility to upgrade our gear even further, how do we upgrade our crafted items (weapons for example)
will it also be possible to upgrade them with Valorstones or wont they be upgradable at all
minor gust
recraft with this from crest vendor next to crafting order
narrow panther
ahh ok thanks mate. appreciate it
left dawn
Is demolish damage sequence two single target hits and then aoe on last hit?
eager sigil
yes
left dawn
thanks
sudden fox
do you have to enable the sims currency section to have enough crests/the new it...
Had to use gear compare and it worked lol
pallid marlin
does anyone know rik reverb's amp drop is parryable again?
spare goblet
So assuming I'm brand new warrior with no real gear, what would you all spend your dinars on off the vendor for M+?
The trinket or best in slots I assume
minor gust
if your not mythic raiding your only choices are jastor pacemaker and HOC
spare goblet
if your not mythic raiding your only choices are jastor pacemaker and HOC
HOC?
minor gust
house of cards
spare goblet
house of cards
even if I have a pvp weapon?
minor gust
?
spare goblet
?
I do not currently have ANY pve gear. so Im asking if not getting a weapon first is wise
minor gust
just craft a weapon
spare goblet
just craft a weapon
Oh the 3 things you mentioned, which is the biggest prio in your opinion?
minor gust
you can sim to find out exactly whats prio for YOU but if you dont want to sim their all roughly equal just prio whatever is gonna give you the biggest ilvl
spare goblet
you can sim to find out exactly whats prio for YOU but if you dont want to sim t...
could never figure out how to add items I dont own. but thank you for the tips.
rough sluice
could never figure out how to add items I dont own. but thank you for the tips.
add them here
spare goblet
add them here
thanks!
random ibex
@sudden fox POG
sudden fox
Congrats!
copper summit
crafted wep simming higher than BIS
minor gust
if that crafted weapon has ascendance ofc it will
copper summit
it does
boreal hawk
hey boys you guys using blademaster torment or warlord torment in M+? whats better at this point of the season? or do you swap between them
minor gust
warlords for more ST blademasters for more AOE completely up to you
boreal hawk
also i was watching the talents on archnon, they removed executioner precision and instead take bloodborne
and prob something else idk
does it change anything in execute?
random ibex
is circlet still bis for ST with the new upgrade track?
safe tundra
sim yourself to find out
minor gust
wasnt bis even before the new upgrade track
minor gust
also i was watching the talents on archnon, they removed executioner precision a...
Same thing ST vs AOE pick your poison
random ibex
@minor gust sadly i dont have a second myth track ring 😦
minor gust
craft one then
random ibex
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/osQtU1vqYiv1oLfBBAph5z ToP ring is better now, sothats good at least
silver mica
is simC still not counting for /8? on items?
hybrid sinew
on M mugsy is it better to pop bladestorm while an add is up, or is it better to just keep SS up and bladestorm after
vernal pebble
guys, overall slayer is how many % worst than colossus in m+?
stable sapphire
does pre sweeping on OAB not work anymore???
minor gust
no
stable sapphire
cringe
minor gust
indeed
covert drift
some some builds that run dreadnaught and drop executioner's precision. How does the rotation works in ST without EP as colossus?
We drop MS almost completly?
rare kite
some some builds that run dreadnaught and drop executioner's precision. How does...
you just replace slam with execute when target is 20% or lower
wraith crag
which should be used with opener - best in slots on use or house of cards?
terse plume
would you use Bis first or house of cards?
wraith crag
yeah - they share a cd
rare kite
house
wraith crag
k
terse plume
house is what I figured
warped solstice
What do we even buy with Cartel Chips? I have Heroic HoC and Seaforium. No access to mythic track trinkets, since I'm not in a CE guild.
minor gust
i forgot that we also get like 8 free ilvls
5% mug wipe 🙂
shadow ibex
i should tank keys after raid for crests im off next 2 days
minor gust
1% wipe this boss is dead
rare kite
this x2 on use world
just dont use 2x on use
minor gust
its fine macro that shit in cs and call it a day and trinket with ava
dont even think about it
balmy kindle
What do we even buy with Cartel Chips? I have Heroic HoC and Seaforium. No acces...
You only need res 12 for m track m+ trinks
Pacemaker is still pretty good
desert wolf
Whats everyone spending their chips on? If you dont have access to bombsuit is ritual mud a bad spend?
limpid drift
bro how is funhouse still simming higher than myth track signet
shadow ibex
cuz 2mins is meh
minor gust
because signet sucks ass
shadow ibex
dungeon slice isnt good either
minor gust
1 minute dungeon slice holy
limpid drift
hectic add makes it even worse
shadow ibex
neither of those are good sim settings
balmy kindle
Why not take neck
Unless you have crafted one neck is not bad.
Funhouse Is decent too
kindred girder
he put the neck on and his head exploded from the stats
limpid drift
KEY
shadow ibex
1 minute dungeon slice holy
minor gust
huge
minor gust
well be right behind you just need 1 clean pull and its dead
shadow ibex
i can cata gloves and put chest on
narrow panther
so whats the best way to farm gilded crests now? +8 spam?
slow saddle
10s get ya 8 keys done enjoy life get more uogrades next week
minor gust
12s
deft osprey
looks like jastor diamond or house of cards huh
willow seal
if I cant mythic, whats the best thing to use Dinar
swift crown
Probably Pacemaker but ymmv
willow seal
i got pacemaker myth already
so house of cardS?
house of cards heroic? or ajster diamond heroic?
swift crown
🤷♂️
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/droptimizer has a section for Chips
Try the Heroic one, see what comes up
try Mythic, see which M+ trinkets are high
Jastor is probably up there
desert wolf
if we buy pacemaker or mud it will be in the next vault gaurenteed
minor gust
didnt get it but nice to know this boss is dead this week
willow seal
heroi jastor > heroic cards?
shadow ibex
didnt get it but nice to know this boss is dead this week
Got a nice 90 something. Lost my 15 stack tho
minor gust
this was our 1% wipe
wish this one was our kill tho I woulda fucked that boss
was a 13% wipe
balmy kindle
if we buy pacemaker or mud it will be in the next vault gaurenteed
Interestingly enough M pacemaker is only a 0.7% increase in ST lol compared to mechano And a 0.3% loss compared to M viscera
So imo H jastors is likely the play for non mythic raid people
undone prism
what are you guys binding bis with? just avat or?
slow saddle
My normal jastor equally sims are 681 Mythic crafted ring jesus man 😄
formal verge
what are you guys binding bis with? just avat or?
Seems to line up really well with Csmash just make sure you start your active trinket cd with avatar
onyx rapids
jastor heroic is the go topick if im not raiding mythic right?!
slow saddle
jastor heroic is the go topick if im not raiding mythic right?!
for me it is at least
onyx rapids
noted will sim when asia resets tomorrow Thanks
balmy kindle
My normal jastor equally sims are 681 Mythic crafted ring jesus man 😄
It's jastors being op I swear
It Sims better than king Kong ring despite king Kong ring having nearly 6k crit
calm hollow
ivory harbor
Hi guys, is bloodletting bugged? I was doing a delve earlier and notice that my rend is not extended when i MS during <35%.
shadow ibex
It's bugged in delves
ivory harbor
ahhh i see, thank you sir
balmy kindle
Like I have pretty good rings as well but H jastors still beats them
gray herald
hc jastor + circlet and i dont think i'm swapping til mythic jastor
oh wait I thought this was fury channel lmao
meager vigil
does anyone know why i got 675 achievement but no discount on any items ? even older ones
balmy kindle
hc jastor + circlet and i dont think i'm swapping til mythic jastor
Arms mastery be like : its kinda good but also kinda shit
gray herald
does anyone know why i got 675 achievement but no discount on any items ? even o...
the achievement is for warband catchup, if you have a slot at 684 on a character in your warband every other character will have the discount up to 684
(in that slot)
old pumice
does anyone know why i got 675 achievement but no discount on any items ? even o...
Sometimes logout and login the discount appears.
meager vigil
but not all items are 684. not sure how it works. tried log out and login several times
gray herald
but not all items are 684. not sure how it works. tried log out and login severa...
what are you trying to upgrade for a discount?
sacred zodiac
Do you have 2 rings or 2 trinkets above the ilvl ur trying to Upgrade to
gray herald
^
meager vigil
no but i have the achievement
even my belt needs 15 crest to upgrade even tho its 665
sacred zodiac
no but i have the achievement
Ye thats not how it works
The achievement enables the catchup discount
If you have an alt that has a higher ilvl belt than ur Main does u can Do the crest discount
fervent urchin
If i have peacemaker hero lens champion and only 1 mythic ring, is it worth to take the ring hero from gally, or go with peacemaker mythic or house of cards?
magic canopy
reap gamba
sacred zodiac
reap gamba
Wtf stop
fresh spire
magic canopy
went SOA prioed cleave into ms then op
empty sluice
reap gamba
My man
peak basin
praying 4 funhouse lens
slow saddle
I got lens. Got cog in vault now, but i allready have kezan for raid, and hc pacemaker for dungos
Would u take it still
tired token
Guys how do you play with Best in Slots and House of cards ?
gray herald
probs use hoc with full cds then bis with next cs
signal oak
gray herald
probably not worth a dinar... it's not sim bait though
sacred zodiac
P much only for lockenstock but yes
gray herald
it does good on pure ST
pulsar fractal
What is the Big Difference Blademasters and Warlods Torment for m+?
balmy kindle
reap gamba
Ask priest for PI, become Beyblade
balmy kindle
Dark ranger doing dark ranger things
void bay
i am still waiting for Fury and MM writeups
magic canopy
mm damage can also be complete rng as well with resets
balmy kindle
That's more of sentinel though, with DR deathblow procs on ST is kinda non issue
weak wave
Heroic Jastor vs Mythic Dino & Ape haste/crit ring. Can anyone tell what wins?
balmy kindle
Jastors is my bet
fresh spire
went SOA prioed cleave into ms then op
Goat behaviour. Reap gamba feel good man when you do big pull and ms procs constantly with sweep. Reap animation insane satisfying
magic canopy
it honestly might have potentil in like cinder/prio plus execute with ep is actually kinda nice on bosses
only real issue i have is the complete lack of defensive value
gray herald
That's more of sentinel though, with DR deathblow procs on ST is kinda non issue
dark ranger has pretty huge variance
balmy kindle
Iargely due to precise shot and deathblow procs, its impossible to align them so you just send it
gray herald
I think one of the highest variance specs in the game right now
on ST
look at this shit
magic canopy
its pretty funny
balmy kindle
magic canopy
we had a crazy spawn on rik reverb today
i had a locknload proc + volly and trueshot ready to go
went from like 3.4ishm dps to just about 8 within a few seconds
procs are fun
honestly it made me wish warriors actually had really impactful and fun procs
balmy kindle
Well ngl mm lnl procs with tier is pretty dank
magic canopy
imagine if EB was only a 10 or lower% chance to reset cleave but it made the next one GIGA
empty sluice
it honestly might have potentil in like cinder/prio plus execute with ep is actu...
Pre stacked bs in brew feels pretty good
magic canopy
Goat behaviour. Reap gamba feel good man when you do big pull and ms procs const...
one thing that was actually kinda weird is it felt like a damage loss to Bladestorm during avatar doing big packs because of how many reap procs from you miss out on from cleaves with blademaster
empty sluice
Imagine SD would proc reap 👀
gray herald
i had a locknload proc + volly and trueshot ready to go
even just when every aimed shot procs a black arrow
magic canopy
if overwhelmed actally reduced the damage you take by 5% at 10 stacks
gray herald
and ur just like oop oop oop
magic canopy
slayer would be v nice
balmy kindle
Also crit on precise shot deathblow DA
gray herald
i would probably hate to main it but it's a giga fun alt to have
balmy kindle
It's comfy in m+
magic canopy
even without procs it slaps in M+
balmy kindle
Dr in m+ is kinda annoying though
Due to needing to target swap
easier to play sent in M+ , just fire and forget
vast helm
Arms M+ BUFF when?
sharp wyvern
Last week
swift crown
one thing that was actually kinda weird is it felt like a damage loss to Bladest...
Fuck it Ravager Slayer in M+
tacit crystal
tacit crystal
Fuck it Ravager Slayer in M+
my 99 locked in
balmy kindle
jesus you guys farm fast
swift crown
Me when 681
tacit crystal
why does it say ()
swift crown
There's a character on my account with 684
tacit crystal
oh
halcyon breach
Me when 681
noob
halcyon breach
yellow name detected opinion rejected
Warlock player detected
Opinion read and ignored