Demo in raid or jug in raid
#arms
minor gust
demo always
stoic siren
when i simmed my character for both builds its about a 100k diff
knotty charm
Why is demolish so annoying to use. I feel like it needs an unlimited range on the last hit of the cast. Losing your entire demolish cus the mob moved 1 yd away is so frustrating
rose matrix
Leap doesn't cancel demolish?
naive sage
Leap doesn't cancel demolish?
Nope if you stay in range
halcyon breach
Wow is consistently inconsistent
naive sage
Wow is consistently inconsistent
Real
minor gust
you can play slayer now if you want
upbeat minnow
you can play slayer now if you want
So it's not a big detriment now?
minor gust
its still not better than colossus but its not trash like it was
upbeat minnow
Okay thats nice at least
shadow ibex
Frozen putting poison in the water turning the arms slayer
dire hinge
It’s true though like, some folks really dislike demolish and now it’s very viable (especially for Most Players)
shadow ibex
tacit crystal
this guy is stupid
minor gust
shadow ibex
If they made bs auto proc reap the light would return to my eyes
smoky kayak
always leave em wanting more
eager nexus
I just wish we had a better bladestorm animation
snow pagoda
wish it just ticked faster so it didnt look like i spin 3x per 1 hit
minor gust
was it wod or mop
spiral coral
Slayer buff disappointed me after trying to make it work most of the week. I’m just going to play Fury for m+ rest of the season. Cause fuck colossus lol.
spiral coral
pugging on rogue is misery
Run your own key
eager nexus
I love colossus cause atleast it isn't purely passive lmao
They really didn't cook hard with our hero talents
spiral coral
your gonna do more dmg and be more useful as arms slayer than you would fury but...
Playing MT fury, slayer/col arms. Col arms pulls ahead but, I really hate demo in m+ and still not used to it. I’ll probably bounce between the two. First season fury has felt better than arms to me (in m+)
regal wharf
Run your own key
its a 12
spiral coral
Probably could’ve bricked it, ran it back up to a 13 by the time you’ve waited to get into someone else’s 🤷♂️
shadow ibex
how old is that bladestorm animation
does it look different from wrath?
i thought this was always what bs looked like tbh
spiral coral
It has to be the same lol
minor gust
lol nope you should look at the wotlk version
shadow ibex
it still has that old school wow energy
shadow ibex
just a model spinning fast not really an animation
minor gust
lol yup
lil herod axe spin animation from vanilla
found it was legion we got the WW and Bladestorm animation update
shadow ibex
got speed lines 
minor gust
vroom vroom
shadow ibex
now give our weapon birds for scale
gusty eagle
hey guys, at what target # should i stop using MS and OP with ss and instead just spam cleave? or whats the priority there
rare kite
well not stop. but cleave is prio at 3 or more
rare kite
yeah at 3 targets or more. at 2 targets with ss it's ms>op>cleave
gusty eagle
is it ok to stop cleaving to wait for next warbreaker window and cash in a big Collateral or nah?
rare kite
case by case basis, but yes it is often the play
shadow ibex
you can if you want
the APL wont do it and not the kind of thing you can really make a hard rule for
its just something you have to intuit
regal wharf
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2S7cwPmGSjQ
LOLLLLL
hollow plover
but my priority is cleave even with ss uo yeah?
dont forget that hitting cleave auto-casts a slam that also gets swept by SS
floral girder
real vault
arms by far, they start in execute range + u ss it on boss
for the goons its whatever
smoky kayak
is it ok to stop cleaving to wait for next warbreaker window and cash in a big C...
you can, but it's really circumstantial
- as strong as Collateral is, it still only averages ~8-14 stacks, which means ~200-350% damage increase
and while that is a lot, it's not worth keeping Cleave off cooldown for extended periods of time
if its within 5 or 6 seconds or holding it allows you to hit more targets, then it can certainly be worthwhile
but holding 10+ seconds for the same number of mobs starts to get kind of questionable
gusty eagle
For example. Its ok to hold it if a pack its dying to pop off in the next one in dungs like rookery or psf for example
smoky kayak
Yeah, hitting several more targets makes a bigger difference than cooldowns even
gusty eagle
ravager should be used in the opener normally yeah? there's no minmax there
stable fiber
yeah
i sometimes hold collateral damage for ravager even though its technically worse overall, i like seeing big numbers
gusty eagle
i have another question. The execute phase in aoe is played the same as in st ye?
stable fiber
i have another question. The execute phase in aoe is played the same as in st y...
i typically like to prio MS as colossus even in execute, however, im a big fan of using only execute and overpower when you throw ravager down and after ravager switch back to normal
also execute phase in aoe is kinda fake as colossus unless its 2-3 target, there is a heavy emphasis on just pushing cleave as it does so much damage on like 5 target for example
stable fiber
rotation changes based on the amount of enemies you are hitting so just pay attention and you should be chillin
empty sluice
https://youtube.com/shorts/N67borfxxQU?si=V0mQ9K6QmZs-Cber
good old human model
ember canopy
Anyone that is progging or killed mythic Stix I got a few questions......are you using ST build or AoE build if so what are you speccing into?
oblique oar
Anyone that is progging or killed mythic Stix I got a few questions......are you...
mountain thane fury
dim basalt
I used ST because aoe doesnt do anything but pad
slow saddle
Slayer
Aoe
Throw in some bladestorm
U can play as arms, and just take cleave
And just send bladestorm + roar on adds for pad
earnest imp
anyone got a stand alone juggernaut tracker? or what do people use?
dim basalt
why tf did they make sweeping clear on boss pull
Doesnt happen for me
Oh wait, it is inconsistent 
I keep it on like 70% of the pulls
spice stag
icy mulch
https://tenor.com/view/uni-cat-gif-16508948274886257497
I agree. Some ppl are getting a little unhinged.
misty bridge
fresh spire
arrypotta
quasi torrent
harry poppa
fresh spire
latent yew
hello what is ,,normal,, ammount of crit ?
hollow plover
hello what is ,,normal,, ammount of crit ?
theres no such thing
hollow plover
thats cool, i hope you're enjoying arms, dual speccing is fun
but there still is no optimal or normal crit number to go for
hollow plover
the answer is that you should sim your character to find out what items do more damage in ST and AoE scenarios
hollow plover
I personally sim my crafted gear before i end up crafting them, to check which stats i want from the piece
big recommend
maiden notch
Arms gets along with fury gear just fine.
It’s not true the other way around tho.
If I optimize my gear for fury it ends up suboptimal for Arms by like 4-5k dps in a st sim.
If I optimize the gear for arms. Fury loses out on like almost 30-35k.
When u plan on raiding and m+. As arms and fury, id simout both specs and judge where I can find a decent balance. After all wrong gems and wrong enchants/crafts will never make the difference between a 99 or 98log. It’s almost always you
hollow plover
If I optimize my gear for fury it ends up suboptimal for Arms by like 4-5k dps i...
yea but colossus arms struggle a tad more than slayer arms when running low crit
maiden notch
Oh that’s true, but you get along just fine.
hollow plover
yea it doesnt break a key
maiden notch
I am playing mastery heavy too and sitting at close to 3450 score.
For a few weeks
celest crown
Could someone help me find a forge in Orgrimmar? I've never used one before and I swear this thing is invisible. I've gone to three locations that were on wowhead and I don't see them.
shadow ibex
I am playing mastery heavy too and sitting at close to 3450 score.
For a few we...
The frenzy pfp
viral garden
So what's the plan for head corruption ?
hollow plover
So what's the plan for head corruption ?
there'll be a post once it's out i assume
eager sigil
Could someone help me find a forge in Orgrimmar? I've never used one before and ...
next to the trainer should be one
celest crown
next to the trainer should be one
Like I went in the building that has the mining and black smithing trainer/supplies vendors in it and there's the giant anvil in the middle but there's not a forge for me to click on.
eager sigil
Like I went in the building that has the mining and black smithing trainer/suppl...
press k and then select blacksmithing
safe island
Is it possible to buy BIS with a Dinar next week?
eager sigil
Is it possible to buy BIS with a Dinar next week?
yes if you killed mythic bandit
safe island
I heard that two weeks' worth of Dinars are required for a two-handed weapon.
Is it different this season?
I'm wondering if two-handed weapons require 6 Dinars.
eager sigil
no you need 1 dinar for it as far as i know
safe island
You're talking about 3 Dinars, right?
hollow plover
You're talking about 3 Dinars, right?
he is talking about 3 yes
celest crown
press k and then select blacksmithing
I'm trying to do the smelting for the mining profession.
hollow plover
I'm trying to do the smelting for the mining profession.
just use the forges in the forgegrounds of dornogal no?
the giant lava-filled basin area in the middle of the city
eager sigil
I'm trying to do the smelting for the mining profession.
then click on mining
spring rune
after your sweeping strikes runs out in M+, is there a minimum # of targets to use Cleave? Like if there is 3 is it more worth it to just ST or still worth to cleave on CD?
slow saddle
wdym?
depends
how many stacks
also like are u 5seconds off having cds so u can super clap
is it big pull next
dire hinge
after your sweeping strikes runs out in M+, is there a minimum # of targets to u...
In 3+ targets cleave is your main aoe ability.
In 2 targets cleave replaces slam.
In 1 target don’t press cleave.
spring rune
❤️
dire hinge
There’s some nuance with sweeping strikes but that’s the basic version and covers like 90% of it
tardy hare
Why is no one playing blunt instruments with blademasters torment. I just messed around with it and your single target goes up a massive amount for almost no aoe loss
its like a 17k dps loss in aoe for 100k dps gain in single target
dim basalt
Its definitely a big aoe loss wdym
zenith lodge
lads. any tips on mythic mug zee for arms or just in general?
slow saddle
its like a 17k dps loss in aoe for 100k dps gain in single target
Then ya sim wrong 30% amp on demo?
tardy hare
i dont think i am
16 floodgate
1 death
15 cinder full wipe
the haste amp helps with collatoral stacks i dont know how to explain it but it seems fine
and if you are competing with classes that do aoe better the prio and single target seems good
dim basalt
Warbreaker gains a lot more dps than collateral ever could
tardy hare
does it though? 1 extra stack is the same damage amp as warbreaker
almost
so if you get 2-3 more stacks consistantly
dim basalt
Thats not how math works
tardy hare
warbreaker 30% collatoral stack 25%
dim basalt
eager sigil
legendary name on the shaman
tardy hare
<:critcake:984549832511344640>
playing blunt instruments and doin gmore damage than a boomy in floodgate. dont think the concept is wrong
its one thing if i was just simming
but ive done two keys with it
shaman getting pi
bright scarab
If we have no stacks of Collaterla Damage, but we have Sweeping Strikes, Warbreaker, and Demolish up, do we use SS, WB, and Demolish then just use Collateral Damage stacks without Warbreaker?
nova marsh
https://www.wowhead.com/news/turbo-boost-valorstones-become-warbound-transferrab...
Yeah I thought blizz moved past this
When we got transferable currency as an actual system
magic canopy
Tbh all this means is you can stockpile valor on Alts if the system stays in
minor gust
Yeah I just don't understand the unnecessary tax what is so wrong with a 1:1 transfer.
minor gust
Yeah I thought blizz moved past this
Yeah someone pull up the clip of Ion calling the currency tax dumb
nova marsh
Yeah someone pull up the clip of Ion calling the currency tax dumb
Clearly he didn't think it was dumb enough
teal fossil
warbreaker 30% collatoral stack 25%
Collateral is additive 25%
Warbreaker is multiplicative 30%
tardy hare
I dont know ive played it in three 16s now and it seems good
you're not going to believe it unless you try
tardy hare
i mean the sims kind of back it up
run them if you want
single target and dungeon slice
aoe is very small decrease
single target is massive
minor gust
Run it if you want no one is gonna stop you
urban iron
I need a chatgpt addon that presses my buttons for me
tardy hare
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/rjysccrGVsoy75CoFaBri2 Dungeon slice
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ayCHdXNQbVbR76Lk6ekFVk patchwork
tardy hare
ya an din the aoe one warbreaker is only a 10k dps increase
who would have thought
lose 10k aoe for 108k single target
minor gust
Link AOE sim
minor gust
Dungeon slice is not AOE it's a mix
tardy hare
what do you want 10 targets? 5?
minor gust
Whatever you want
IDC what you play
You don't need to justify yourself to randos on skyhold play what you want
spark mango
i wondered why i was so tanky in so many places
3rd boss of dfc, 2 big mobs after garden boss of workshop, swamp boss in floodgate
fkn second wind is bugged
i healed myself 128 m on 3rd boss of Dfc XD
its bugged in so many places, just take second wind in m+
rare kite
fkn second wind is bugged
not bugged. sometimes it just is like that
minor gust
It's not bugged just how its always worked
spark mango
well it shouldnt work when i am taking damage, and its working all fight
minor gust
Things coded as environmental dmg or not directly as a mob doesn't break it
Has always been like that
maiden notch
The frenzy pfp
❤️
slow saddle
what do you want 10 targets? 5?
10target 1m yes pls
celest crown
just use the forges in the forgegrounds of dornogal no?
I don't think I can get to Dornogal yet. This character is just at level 60.
hollow plover
then dont worry about professions yet
celest crown
Why is that?
hollow plover
because the profession you get for max level content disregards previous profession levels
you dont have mining, you have tww mining, its isolated kinda
maiden moat
is it worth with the new tactic at mugzee to execute SS the add or just focus boss ?
tidal rover
Hey im new to Arms, and would like to ask if there is any definite best rotation to use?
tacit crystal
yeah the one on wowhead
slow saddle
is it worth with the new tactic at mugzee to execute SS the add or just focus b...
Always worth to get jugger stacks no?
maiden notch
miss everything about the game ngl. still have my goldcape guild from when it actually mattered
serene thicket
What is the move as warr against snarl tooth on dfc? (Duo before candle king)
minor gust
the move is to skip that pack and not do it
naive sage
What is the move as warr against snarl tooth on dfc? (Duo before candle king)
You can pop demolish to avoid stun, idk other techs
wicked aurora
What is the move as warr against snarl tooth on dfc? (Duo before candle king)
Always skip that pack lol
hexed garden
can i somehow make battle stance and defensive stance be togglable? so i can for example press v to switch to defensive and then v again to back to battle stance
minor gust
can i somehow make battle stance and defensive stance be togglable? so i can for...
stance swap macro in here
hexed garden
ty ty will look into it
rough sluice
50 io to go, theres like no keys to do at all lol
spark mango
guys how do you sim for colossus in dungeons, do you sim single target?
my sim is very high crit, my top gear im ean
its 19k crit, and i barely see arms warriors with that much
urban iron
I dropped a log in the log channel for arms if someone wants to poop on my performance, I’m out of healer jail so now I gotta l2p
lean geode
I dropped a log in the log channel for arms if someone wants to poop on my perfo...
I'm aggressively mediocre at arms, but try tossing your logs into wowanalyzer and see if it yells at you about anything
viral garden
any estimation for mid expansion retrospective ?
tacit crystal
🔮
minor gust
Archi already said it's gonna be one of the last ones so you gonna be waiting awhile
outer holly
They always sound like politicians trying not to say anything while filling 5 minutes of air time with a non-answer tbh
snow flame
Archi already said it's gonna be one of the last ones so you gonna be waiting aw...
Warrior last as always what’s new
minor gust
Gotta keep things consistent
steep osprey
Archi already said it's gonna be one of the last ones so you gonna be waiting aw...
Longest one for sure
worldly bough
hey guys is slayer still far behind in keys
worldly bough
is it very noticable in lower keys like i prob wont go higher than 12s
outer holly
I do 12s with 2/3rds of the DPS under me, you can play whatever you want at that range
As prot*
formal verge
Played optimally colo pulls ahead. Slayer def easier tho (imo more fun) . I think your margin for error is higher on Colo than slayer . Can only speak for 15-16 range tho
worldly bough
is there a good slayer build nothing on archon but colo stuff
urban iron
I do 12s with 2/3rds of the DPS under me, you can play whatever you want at that...
Half the time I do 12s this is my experience too
As prot
arctic iris
crude junco
guys i'm starting my journey on arms and i have a question because on any website/guide do not have it:
- if i have MS proc, Cleave 'unproc' and OP proc ... the prio 'rotation' goes MS > Cleave > OP or changes something ?
i'm asking that because my MS is usually over the roof on my keys ... and for what i've read/log/saw cleave should be like 45% higher than MS on damage(comparing the two) ... idk if i'm not abusing improved sweeps with ravager enough or anything to take into the matter of rising my Cleave damage
(only keys i do not raid with my warrior)
outer holly
Im sorry but what do you mean by unproc, like it's on CD?
outer holly
I don't believe there's any procs that change colossus prio
outer holly
There's an argument to be made for prio damage by using MS over Cleave when one add tends to live vastly longer than the rest of the pack
but in general for DPS purposes olive is right
crude junco
ooooooooooooh, that could be it, because i'm always trying to use MS proc and OP proc even with 3+ targets leaving most of the time cleave unused, because i thought they would compare to damage with procs on
sleek crow
Also in single target only time you prioritize OP over MS is when it resets
Might be the same with AOE
outer holly
Slayer does indeed watch it's opportunist procs, but you're not running slayer in m+
crude junco
nah, not a fan of slayer gameplay tbh
sleek crow
Just in AOE make sure cleave is always on CD
crude junco
so even with procs on, stuffs proc'ing back-to-back, cleave should always get the prio even without the OP modifier on cleave ?
outer holly
yes, unless you're running dreadnaught talent
then OP overtakes MS but not Cleave in aoe when SS is up
crude junco
then OP overtakes MS but not Cleave in aoe when SS is up
yup i'm using dreadnaught
outer holly
Ah so yeah, it's one more step you have to remember then
But I don't see it affecting your rotation all that much
In general your aoe rotation when not prio'ing (outside of CDs and keeping bleeds/etc. rolling) winds up looking a lot like Cleave > MS > OP > Cleave
crude junco
thank you alot @outer holly @sleek crow
outer holly
then you just apply the logic Cleave reset? Cleave again, OP reset inside of SS? OP over MS but still cleave on CD
crude junco
i wasnt putting that prio on cleave, that would be 101% the problem for not high'ing up my cleave damage, thank you alot
i was always trying to put OP to get martial prowess and than cleave
outer holly
the only real trick is if you're trying to optimize your overall damage is to make sure you're going MS into OP and not the other way around consuming the martial prowess with your MS instead of the cleave
fair iris
so guys, what about dreadnaught? does overpower have higher prio than MS then? inside or outside ss?
lean geode
You don't really play DN except maybe in slayer arms m+ spec
In which case I think it's slightly higher prio than MS
shadow ibex
Fuck that
lean geode
In aoe*
Obviously not single target
But even then just playing soa and brain off cleave > MS > OP is probably basically the same
minor gust
DN on colossus will not change prios you still want Cleave > MS > OP for demo cdr
crude junco
@outer holly ok my cleave went up a shit ton after your tips, this was a 7 to test it out, i'm 650 with low crit/low haste and those guys were 667+ farming crests, thank you alot 
zenith warren
so if I have warcraft recorder and shadowplay on in the same time, they both record, right?
I guess they both use nvenc
wild pelican
torqs big red button any good for us?
lean geode
Sim it
dire hinge
so if I have warcraft recorder and shadowplay on in the same time, they both rec...
Correct
If you’re experiencing performance issues choose one or the other
void bay
so if I have warcraft recorder and shadowplay on in the same time, they both rec...
What card do you have Roy? I think some are even triple nvenc
delicate belfry
what ends up being a better trinket in M+ Heroic Priory hor a champion Sprocket rocket? the rocket sims higher but i dont see anyone using it
covert kayak
heroic priory - but neither are great
delicate belfry
yeah ive been pretty unlucky with trinkets so far
havent seen the floodgate trinket once so far
and im pretty sure the rest are worse than those
tardy hare
no warbreaker 15 ML 
minor gust
teal fossil
im surprised brew can live a 15
minor gust
brew masters are doing pretty well these days
warm fog
R shaman is a good healer for them
covert drift
Rate this mog
minor gust
needs different hands but the rest is a banger
boreal hawk
What is the move as warr against snarl tooth on dfc? (Duo before candle king)
skip the pack or use shadowmeld if ur nelf
pure otter
is there a way to track when exhilarating blow's proc?
feels a little weird when im slaming back to back ms's/cleave, not sure if its gone off, if im lagging, or out of range
outer holly
Rate this mog
I bet trashmaster's mantle matches that mog perfectly
onyx rapids
is there any guidelines to waht to buy when dinars comes out?!
pure otter
i think wowhead has a list
outer holly
I'm tempted to use it for mog collection
pure otter
yeah tizz in wowhead!
dire hinge
feels a little weird when im slaming back to back ms's/cleave, not sure if its g...
it doesn't have a buff on your character, but i believe it's tracked in the combatlog, so an aura might be able to do it (for a little while, when they kill the ability to read the combatlog)
pure otter
kk! thank u very much!
dire hinge
generally speaking though, i'd set up some sort of GCD alert, so you can tell if your ability went off or not
the in-range thing can be done via color
dire hinge
of course!
tacit crystal
when you get rings that sim higher
outer holly
I simmed like 19 angles on a boomie and the only thing better than cyrce is a myth jastor
regal dragon
I simmed like 19 angles on a boomie and the only thing better than cyrce is a my...
oof
how can we see what sims higher if we dont have it yet? droptimizer?
regal dragon
oh gotcha!
dawn rose
didn't they revert the change where SS gets cancelled on pull?
slow saddle
Hmm
i INVITE arms warrior to be nice on my alt
he proceeds to use Cleave in st
i mean... dno man
quaint otter
slow saddle
Tbf prob many dks that would flame me on my dk
dim basalt
Pretty common that you wont have people that really know their spec sub +12-14
Which is fine ig
sterile turret
Hey guys, should I use MS when when SS (MS cleav MS cleav) insted of OP cleav in m+ and when SS falls of then just OP cleav in m+?
dim basalt
Hey guys, should I use MS when when SS (MS cleav MS cleav) insted of OP cleav in...
The prio is always Cleave > MS > OP unrelated to SS
To get the cdr on Demolish
sterile turret
Ah kk ty.
So also when i play blademasters torment should be like in Avatar always cleav ms op ?
dim basalt
yes
sterile turret
Nice thanks
zenith warren
What card do you have Roy? I think some are even triple nvenc
5070 ti ( 2xnvenc 9th gen)
void bay
Nice!
peak basin
icy mulch
My own personal one? 90 mil.
Biz hit a 94 mil though.
I had 450% damage boost from Collateral.
umbral granite
Anyone got a good Collateral WA?
Im starting to realize that my overall DPS as a warrior is so heavily tied to how still a tank stays during the pull and how quickly stuff can be grouped together
dim basalt
Im starting to realize that my overall DPS as a warrior is so heavily tied to ho...
Any melee tbh
umbral granite
well i found outlaw rogues dont care really
umbral granite
just cleave seems to be such a small 90deg arch
so when stuff is more spread out it hurts a bit
icy mulch
Anyone got a good Collateral WA?
I got one, but I'm no where near my computer to link it.
umbral granite
Do you guys have rend on your bars? Or just let TC take care of it?
umbral granite
Do you guys notice much of a difference with Dreadnaught vs SoA?
also, do you spread rend while grouping and then once set up a little, just forget it exists and dump damage?
dim basalt
also, do you spread rend while grouping and then once set up a little, just forg...
yes
teal fossil
also, do you spread rend while grouping and then once set up a little, just forg...
You should be conscious of it in mass aoe since tc is only 5 at a time
shadow ibex
At start of sweeping if it's more than 5
umbral granite
like, lets say Priory 1st pull
ill put it on the 4 trash mobs at the start
again while grouping
and thats about it. at that point im Rav into TR, SS, avatar, CS Demolish and cleave/MS spamming
slow saddle
Do you guys notice much of a difference with Dreadnaught vs SoA?
yes
1 does AOE
1 does ST
^_^
as slayer i feel like dreadnaught deffo worth it, but man op procs is fun 😄
umbral granite
has the 2/4p been mathed out to give us a % increased damage?
shadow ibex
Die slayer
astral yarrow
has the 2/4p been mathed out to give us a % increased damage?
that is mathed out basically as soon as we know what values the set bonus uses and then implemented in simulationcraft
its probably somewhere in the updates channel, if not, you can find it on the simulation sheet
teal fossil
That knowledge is also not very important
urban iron
Worth playing Colo on rik reverb mythic if we don’t have a good cleave comp for adds?
No shadow priests and only one evoker so sometimes they last a bit, but literally no one on wcl doing so
umbral granite
That knowledge is also not very important
Its more beacuse i dont ahve 2 or 4p so i'd like to just get an undertanding of how much my DPS would increase by with them
shadow ibex
Just play fury if you need aoe that bad
urban iron
Just play fury if you need aoe that bad
Only got one weap, literally just swapped me lol
Might be able to get another by raid time but doubt
Unless I roll in as smf
astral yarrow
people just need to hard swap to the barrels (especially the ones far)
you changing spec will do 0
urban iron
people just need to hard swap to the barrels (especially the ones far)
Well yes but since I can’t play for them I’m tryin to do what I can, even if me running around the arena hurts me
astral yarrow
I mean if people dont want to swap, you are not killing the boss regardless if you hard swap or not
melee barrelse are never an issue
you are not gonna make that difference yourself
setting an example might
urban iron
Fair, but shaming them by saying I’m destroying them on adds will
tacit crystal
itll lead to complacency
covert drift
You should be conscious of it in mass aoe since tc is only 5 at a time
So the idea is TC on the first 5 mobs and dump damage on the whole group but keep track of rend on the original 5 to try and keep rend on 5 targets at least, did i get that right?
teal fossil
You want to keep rend on as many as possible
covert drift
TC only affects 5 targets no?
teal fossil
Rend does as much as a MS over the course of the bleed
teal fossil
TC only affects 5 targets no?
Bleed can affect more than 5
So you need to tc 4 times to hit 20
covert drift
Yeah i was just watching some critcake videos
Seems he only uses TC on pull and after sweeps end and after using the colateral damage
Then he fits a TC in there
I think i was overusing TC then
Because i was thinking keeping rend on everything was paramount
dim basalt
You only use TC if you have absolutely nothing else to press mid-pull
Which is pretty rare though
spiral coral
My WA tells me when rend is about to drop off/when to reapply tc/rend
covert drift
Can you share?
spiral coral
Also you should just get used to looking above the npcs name and the buffs/debuffs above them
I think I’m using Luxthos wa for arms
delicate mulch
Rend uptime on every mob is not a big deal
celest sage
Rend uptime on every mob is not a big deal
pretty sure thunder clap takes care of that
delicate mulch
pretty sure thunder clap takes care of that
Still but tc isn’t a huge prio
Rend overall doesn’t do that much damage
celest sage
yeah thats the downside of it
teal fossil
Rend overall doesn’t do that much damage
That’s just not true
celest sage
but still decent for sustaining ig
teal fossil
Each rend does as much as a cleave over the course of the bleed
celest sage
that depends on how many targets are there
so if its a small pack you don't get much then in big packs
delicate mulch
Each rend does as much as a cleave over the course of the bleed
You are better off spamming over power and cleave till you need to hit tc to rage dump and get overpower charges back
celest sage
You are better off spamming over power and cleave till you need to hit tc to rag...
ya thats what i would go for
teal fossil
Yes but saying rend itself doesn’t do damage is just wrong
delicate mulch
Yes but saying rend itself doesn’t do damage is just wrong
In the overall it’s doesn’t
teal fossil
You would press it over MS on 3t+ no sweeping
delicate mulch
You would press it over MS on 3t+ no sweeping
Debatable cause MS means more demos
fresh spire
Tc mostly comes into play before cds and after sweep. Tc is competitive on aoe when sweep isn't up but ofc doesn't scale sweep and using it during sweep costs you a colat stack
delicate mulch
You still press that
If you want any I can’t link my PSF 15 so what I’m saying has some validity
grave cedar
Does anybody have a weak aura for when to leap out of mythic mugzee gaols? (Similar to the arakara last boss black hole leap timer)
teal fossil
Tc mostly comes into play before cds and after sweep. Tc is competitive on aoe w...
It does scale with sweep though
It’s still bugged to double the rend applications
Since dragon flights
@shadow ibex keeps reminding me of it
But yeah collat is valid
bright scarab
For Arms in M+ is it highly reliant on Collateral Damage to perform well in higher keys? What is the best set up for burst? I’ve been doing Sweeping Strikes to get stacks, once it’s over then use Thunderous Roar, Ravager, Avatar, Warbreaker, Demolish, then use Cleave with stacks. Is this right? I can seem to burst well but my overall damage is behind, where people end up around 4m I’m usually around 3.25 or so. Then again it is against like Ret pallies and DKs
delicate mulch
Use ss with your avatar burst window don’t wait for collateral damage stacks
Don’t wait till it’s over
And wait for demolish to get to 10 stack before using it
By the time collateral damage pops up warbreaker and demo are up again then you hit those into your big cleave
viral garden
UH DK and Ret Paladin have crazy damage
fresh spire
It does scale with sweep though
Wait so shits applying 10 rends or 5 longer ones. If this is case then it probs makes a pretty big difference to using tc
Wasn't even aware of this
viral garden
You shouldn't wait something to press our main target spell so if nothing come with Collateral Damage just press it
covert drift
UH DK and Ret Paladin have crazy damage
Yeah but they have damage AND UTILITY, meanwhile we're behind on both
Jesus man, not to be a cry baby but if war is to be without utility it needs to have the damage to compensate
What would you guys think would help war the most in terms of utility? Most ppl say lust but blizzard clearly don't want to give lust to war because of the tank spec
What else? Brez?
Bring back banners from mop? Demo banner, skull banner, etc...
dire hinge
"yes"
kindred girder
war should have a lust
dire hinge
more = gooder, dont really mind which direction they pick tbh
kindred girder
lust banner is so on theme
celest sage
war should have a lust
banner that give lust?
kindred girder
absofruitly
celest sage
or a shout
covert drift
They don't do it because it would give lust to prot warrior, the only tank spec with lust
covert drift
Prot if not weak by any means
celest sage
prot is decent
kindred girder
i'm talking brez/lust not weakness
gray herald
I think more damage would help warrior the most in terms of utility
covert drift
Yeah and i'm talking about arms/fury not being competitive compared to other melee meta specs
prot is fine as it is
it don't need anything
kindred girder
fine as is in what regard
covert drift
Being a good tank spec with its strengths and weakness and
kindred girder
they fit into the meta based on which dps fit into the meta, but they don't bring anything inherently unique
dire hinge
interrupting shout, lust, shout brez, some sort of "throw" utility, vacuum leaps, armor sundering , etc. They can pick any direction they want to, but it would be nice to see (something)
kindred girder
i never said they're weak dawg
dire hinge
make pummel sweep
celest sage
storm bolt
covert drift
bruh but what i'm trying to say is, giving more stuff to a spec that is already strong don't bodes well right?
So giving lust to prot that is already strong would make it S+ tier
kindred girder
they're not gonna give it to them atm
i agree
covert drift
Need a way to give something to arms/fury without breaking prot
celest sage
they did alot to our rage regen
kindred girder
this is a balance patch away
celest sage
fury has so much rage regen though, idk about arms
kindred girder
not right this second lol
viral garden
War is just an old design.
We can apply only 5 rend.
Fury is cap target
We have nothing good for M+
They just need to rework warrior
dire hinge
we can apply more than 5 rends? 🤔 just press it more times?
kindred girder
hunter is gonna get a nod a majority of the time over war bc they bring lust, in a pug setting
covert drift
Yeah, i feel war needs an overhaul to modernize the spells
Like ret
I feel arms have too many buttons specially on the gcd
celest sage
i mean the way war is in general i don't like it
kindred girder
like if war gets a lust it inadvertently buffs rogue, monk and feral
viral garden
we can apply more than 5 rends? 🤔 just press it more times?
I mean, DK dont have to press many time one button to put dot on all pack
celest sage
its like 5 buttons most of the time and not counting cdss
covert drift
We need to press sweep, then ravager, and then warbreaker, and the warbreaker gcd makes me lose bonegrinder time
don't feel good
Some stuff need to be combined
celest sage
its like 5 buttons most of the time and not counting cdss
fury war terms
prot is just plain low key
and arms is just not that fun for me
covert drift
prot is just plain low key
the skill of prot is doing the most damage possible without dying
viral garden
It's like on the old days we have to choose between dragon roar or bladestorm and when we have both + Odyn fury they hard nerf it a lot. I speak about fury
covert drift
this is true in most tanks but specially prot
viral garden
Rework of talent tree was shit for us
celest sage
the skill of prot is doing the most damage possible without dying
thats like every other tank and its low key plain
viral garden
I Hope they rework our class but I think it's for Midnight perhaps later
covert drift
Is there any other spec that works like ret templar does?
When wake of ashes is on cd
It becomes hammer of light
The same button
viral garden
I like fury playstyle but the captarget is horrible for M+
celest sage
i mean i tried dawn
covert drift
I feel fury playstyle is fine
celest sage
I like fury playstyle but the captarget is horrible for M+
that is true
celest sage
fr
covert drift
too many gcds
viral garden
Yes
celest sage
speek it
viral garden
Just watch how they make UH DK si easy to play
vapid igloo
Arms doesn't need a redesign or design change, they need to hone in on what the fuck the spec should be
viral garden
Even Havoc is so easy back again
vapid igloo
rn its just Fury but more boring
dim basalt
Nah arms definitely needs a redesign
vapid igloo
no rage management, every gcd full, just keep pressing buttons
its the same spec as fury with different flavor
🤷♂️
don't @ me
covert drift
My man you talking about colossus playing m+?
flat willow
those too many buttons of arms, are they in the room with us
kindred girder
fr
celest sage
My man you talking about colossus playing m+?
most likely
flat willow
yes, every spec in the game is gcd locked
that's because the game feels like garbage when you have to do nothing in your rotation
vapid igloo
☝️ 🤓 um actually feral is not gcd locked at all times
viral garden
All warrior need redesign
covert drift
yes, every spec in the game is gcd locked
It's not about that. It's about the interactions between the spells.
Like i said, i need to press sweep, then ravager, and while ravager is ticking and bonegrinder is ticking i press warbreaker, losing seconds of bonegrinder
Don't that feel awful?
viral garden
Fury need something else than rampage
kindred girder
idc about fury honestly
kindred girder
fury has been dog since WOD
kindred girder
SS is great tho, it's specifically useful in 2 target fights
they just made it interact with CD
vapid igloo
SS is fucking iconic
covert drift
I don't feel SS is boring, It builds collateral damage that is the true AoE thing and keeps the identify of 2 target cleave
Specially strong on raids
viral garden
And make our Bladestorm great again plz
covert drift
Maybe get rid of the 0.5s gcd?
vapid igloo
Get rid of bladestorm
covert drift
Nah bro you're jus trolling
vapid igloo
No I'm cultured
vapid igloo
bladestorm wasn't until wrath
new gen players, absolutely despicable
do not speak upon me
vapid igloo
Most fun M+ arms was the season in Dragonflight where non-bladestorm builds were viable and good, simply pressing buttons and living the sweeping strikes life
celest sage
looks bladestorm was great back in the day but now days bladestorm kinda useless
teal fossil
Wait so shits applying 10 rends or 5 longer ones. If this is case then it probs ...
10 rends
Very solid in aoe
kindred girder
they could make bladestorm an alternate version of sweeping strikes where you press it and you cleave to 5+ targets but you lose SS
and it's only like a 40% cleave instead of 75%
iconic
vapid igloo
This guy knows class design
kindred girder
oh wait that's blade flurry
vapid igloo
you should join my guild
celest sage
outlaw should just not be a spec because hunters are literlay guns and bows
covert drift
I would love to cleave to hit 180º of wher i'm facing
Ret get to just hit everything around it
And i have to aim my fucking cleave
kindred girder
you should play ret dude
covert drift
NO
kindred girder
war feels fun because i have to aim
celest sage
anyways im going to be going so il see ya guys
covert drift
but i would still have to aim
What it's in front of me
Not some weird angle
That the game don't even show
Again, relic of the past sht
vapid igloo
you have to feel it out
idk it's like impossible to miss cleave anyways lol it's gigantic
fresh spire
if thats the case then i probs should get the numbers checked
covert drift
You miss more than you realize
If you watch vods
Mobs get caotic
The animation is 180º danm it
fresh spire
less apl, more that i need to fact check so it can be implemented if its the case
as far as i know sims dont replicate
fresh spire
checking gally replays trying to find a arms bro who thunderclapped in sweep on intermission
as if they did instant proof
tacit crystal
i forgot how mind numbing 4 hours of lecture is
sacred zodiac
the egyptian 4 hour lecture is crazy
tacit crystal
i did 2 then 10m break then 90
of diff class
entire time
i was imagining pressing ms
or pressing overpower
tacit crystal
me when i do my opener 100 times
charge wrecking rend roar ava pot cs ms bs
charge wrecking rend roar ava pot cs ms bs
charge wrecking rend roar ava pot cs ms bs
fishy if i get an opportunist proc from the rend or ms before bs
do i send until i dont get sny more
or send
fresh spire
time to stack mage levels of haste to make bs shorter
well, thunder clap works weird
its not 10
but they have varied durations
:sus :
vast drum
What point should a guild be at to reasonably expect to get CE? Idc if its 2 weeks b4 deadline or not I just want it, 4/8M rn so I'm curious
teal fossil
how many
teal fossil
What point should a guild be at to reasonably expect to get CE? Idc if its 2 wee...
No one rly knows the exact
But 4/8 is prob doable
vast drum
Ight cool
fresh spire
how many
5/6,
died 4 times
3 times its hit 6, one time hit 5
2 targets got full length debuffs instead of 21 seconds
teal fossil
Applying rend through pure vibes
fresh spire
7 rends this time
something weird is happneing, like the rends are being sweeped
but hitting other rend targets for longer durations
its very inconsistent to really work with, just had 8 rends from one clap, 2 had longer duration than the other 6. call it a bonus
spiral coral
Rend overall doesn’t do that much damage
It does. Absolutely it does. Over the course of a dungeon lol. It matters a lot.
delicate mulch
It does. Absolutely it does. Over the course of a dungeon lol. It matters a lot.
I mean yes it’s worth hitting but not during your cooldown window
Maybe before or after
teal fossil
You don’t ever hit it during cd window
It lasts for longer than cs
And a tiny bit longer than avatar
hollow wave
I feel that Execute does not have the same impact as before
winter robin
During execute phase, if I get MS cd procs, should I prioritize them or keep doing executes?
dim basalt
During execute phase, if I get MS cd procs, should I prioritize them or keep doi...
Raid or M+?
winter robin
Raid
winter robin
Only the OP procs?
dim basalt
Yes, unless you have a spare gcd
winter robin
I always use 2 exe and 1 OP b4 MS coz I have enoff haste
dim basalt
There are times where you do MS -> Opp -> Exe -> Opp -> Exe -> MS
winter robin
Enough *
sacred zodiac
haste doesnt affect your execute phase really
winter robin
You cast quicker, so you got more time w8ing on CD for MS to be ready
dim basalt
MS is hasted as well, no?
winter robin
Yeah it is, but doesn't feel like it that much at that point, I might be wrong
candid pecan
During execute phase, if I get MS cd procs, should I prioritize them or keep doi...
well you see, there is a priority, MS procs dont matter in Execute if you follow this priority:
dim basalt
Only use when I'm out of rage?
On cd
With 2x EP
With or without cs doesnt really matter
winter robin
Nice
candid pecan
amazing
winter robin
Ok, will make a WA sound for buffed OP then.
Thx all
sacred zodiac
you gotta be careful with making that wa, opportunist procs later than the tac reset itself
kind of iffy to write properly
candid pecan
Ok, will make a WA sound for buffed OP then.
Thx all
or just grab this one https://wago.io/Q5KkvQ0m2
winter robin
oh
winter robin
or just grab this one https://wago.io/Q5KkvQ0m2
thx Mr. amazing
hollow wave
I would prefer much more Execute have more damage, but with CD, or more rage cost.
smoky kayak
Putting a CD on Execute would just turn Arms into Fury
hollow wave
Maybe, but execute looks like a filler in execute phase, doesn't feel right to me
slow saddle
Lol filler???
Its a huge spender
Unless u talkin about col m+
But there thw whole point is not using execute😅
smoky kayak
Maybe, but execute looks like a filler in execute phase, doesn't feel right to m...
I mean it kind of is, but that doesn't mean it's not an important or high damaging button
slow saddle
I mean alternative is only pressin exe
smoky kayak
sure, some things (MS w/ EP) still take priority over it, but you don't really want it to be the highest priority button - the rotation would be pretty boring if all you did was press one button from 35% -> 0%
hollow wave
I mean it kind of is, but that doesn't mean it's not an important or high damagi...
I know, but I would much prefer to be a more impactfully ability, just my opnion
smoky kayak
Colossus/Battlelord is a different story, since it specifically isn't focused on Execute, and frankly that's a good thing - while it might seem odd that an Arms build isn't big on Execute, it provides a contrast to Slayer (much in the same way that Slayer and Thane do for Fury)
I mean Execute is pretty impactful
slow saddle
Ep and juggernaut
flat willow
I really like colossus not caring about execute
flat willow
maybe remove juggernaut and bake some of its power into execute
smoky kayak
it sounds more like you just want to see a really big number pop up on your screen... which is fine, but you can already get that from Mortal Strike w/ EP (which comes from Execute, retaining its importance)
slow saddle
maybe remove juggernaut and bake some of its power into execute
This
Or delete slayer
smoky kayak
and in all seriousness, more people should just turn off their damage numbers and stop worrying about what the biggest number you can't read popping up on screen is
flat willow
that's impossible
hollow wave
it sounds more like you just want to see a really big number pop up on your scre...
Yea, execute looks more like a builder for Mortal strike than an actual damage ability
slow saddle
Yea, execute looks more like a builder for Mortal strike than an actual damage a...
Have u seen breakdown?
Of dmg
slow saddle
Happier when 20
hollow wave
Have u seen breakdown?
Iam talking about the feel, not the damage tho
smoky kayak
well earlier you said damage
slow saddle
Iam talking about the feel, not the damage tho
But thats subjective
Like i feel my dmg going up after 35%
hollow wave
Thats why iam saying my opnions, of course its subjective
smoky kayak
either way, Execute is a very important button to Arms, and doesn't really need a change
slow saddle
And does good dmg per clicl
smoky kayak
turning it into Fury's Execute would just make the two specs more samey, which would be boring
spark mango
Archi, while we have you here, how do you suggest i sim colossus in dungeons? St patchwerk 5 min? i mean for top gear
slow saddle
And 4p from season 3 df put there
smoky kayak
like I get your premise, but you're not thinking it all the way through, just turning Execute into the nuke means you never press MS, really ruining the rotation
smoky kayak
Archi, while we have you here, how do you suggest i sim colossus in dungeons? St...
I'm stepping out so someone else can elaborate more, but I typically run 1 target patch, 5 target patch, and dungeon slice, then look for correlations
spark mango
ok, i just have so much more crit than any other top arms i check
spark mango
i think low on vers mastery
RIght now i am 18.057 crit. 14293 haste. 2300 vers. 10k mastery with pacemaker and house of cards
spark mango
yeah weird thing is its asking me for more crit on gems and stuff i think, and then its so diffrent for slayer when i'm raiding
was wondering is it better to optimize for slayer and play colossus or other way around
slayer raid seems to be much more haste and mastery
cerulean scroll
trust the robot and farm multiple sets of rings/necks
quasi torrent
col just cares more about crit due to CM stacks / cdr
spark mango
this is my top col gear
yeah i think i need to craft another neck after turbo boost, haste vers neck apparently is 14k increase for slayer
floral finch
How do we use best-in-slots, just on cd?
spark mango
yeah each character is diffrent tho, RIk reverb neck is my highest slayer sim
spark mango
How do we use best-in-slots, just on cd?
Send biggest Cd first, for example if you have house of cards send it with avatar and on your next warbreaker use best in slot
slow saddle
Imagine havin mythic bis
nova marsh
Imagine imagining
cerulean scroll
sim uses it on cd after house of cards
olive nest
Imagine imagining imagining
lean geode
and in all seriousness, more people should just turn off their damage numbers an...
Tell that to the 6.5m BB I hit on silken court
That was nut city
minor gust
yeah weird thing is its asking me for more crit on gems and stuff i think, and t...
Your overcomplicating things and grossly overestimating the value of secondary stats they barely matter. Just prio what's more important for you raid or M+ and farm different rings and neck
It's not that big of a deal
olive nest
I have had them off for about 4 months or so
It’s actually pretty noticeable how much clearer information is on the screen
When numbers are off
lean geode
No damage numbers feels so soulless though
olive nest
But ye I agree it’s not as exciting when you don’t get to see the phat MS Crits
minor gust
I never notice dmg numbers anyway in combat so I just turn them off no need to see rather keep my screen more clean
hollow plover
smoky kayak
It’s actually pretty noticeable how much clearer information is on the screen
its insanely better for any fight that requires you to actually see things on the ground
broodtwister being an obvious example
olive nest
Oh it’s giga dead after tomorrow!
olive nest
its insanely better for any fight that requires you to actually see things on th...
Completely agree yep!
minor gust
minor gust
noooooo let me believe were actually playing well for once
shadow ibex
Something teen
hexed snow
whats ur best % so far?
hollow plover
are u 2 in the same guild group?
bright scarab
We want to use Demolish before Collateral Damage stacks right?
For the 10% damage buff
Already having used Warbreaker, have 2 stacks of the buff from Overpower?
And have Ravager active?
I have no idea why I’m falling behind on DPS it’s either bad cooldown usage or rotation
teal fossil
Most of the time it’s rotation
Pressing your regular buttons properly has a bigger effect than optimizing edge cases
remote moth
Anyone knows what happens if i wrecking throw Aemya shield in priory?
do i just get 1 shot?
untold pewter
p1 is not actual prog ngl
It is if you're going for the 40% at 4min
covert drift
Do i buff the cleave with 2 OP before sending the cleave with collateral damage stacks?
hollow plover
It is if you're going for the 40% at 4min
nah not really, an self respecting guild has that down within 20-40 pulls
like yea wipes happen due to fails
but that shit is learned quickly
untold pewter
nah not really, an self respecting guild has that down within 20-40 pulls
Yeah nah
That 40% at 4min isn't trivial, gotta get people out of cages, people need to learn how to leave them by themselves too (like heroic leap out) to meet the DPS check and what not for uptime and for the first times you reach p2 you're likely still going to be lusting to phase to match that finel ~4ish% to push at the right time, and that's without deaths (which are also more common in the first pulls before p2)
Hindsight is always 20/20
untold pewter
but we lusted p1 to guarantee we meet p2
Yeah exactly
covert drift
Do i buff the cleave with 2 OP before sending the cleave with collateral damage ...
Anyone?
shadow ibex
If you want to
minor gust
your last two SS globals should be OP
shadow ibex
Aight now yall taking this cd minmax too far
minor gust
?
lean geode
Aight now yall taking this cd minmax too far
I MUST SS before TC precisely ONE global before I WB to apply a random number of extra rend stacks and/or duration depending on how the bugged interaction works while still allowing me to CD cleave with MBG inside the WB amp
My +10 for vault LIVES OR DIES on my ability to execute this precise input string
minor gust
lean geode
If I ravager after WB I instantly leave group and hearthstone out
It's not worth the other 4 peoples' time to play with such a failure
minor gust
so true king
cerulean scroll
no you must apologize before leaving to make up for the inconvenience
shadow ibex
If you ain't using sweep to clap more rends I don't even want to look at you tbh
minor gust
your not gonna wanna look at me then
lean geode
If you ain't using sweep to clap more rends I don't even want to look at you tbh
On god I probably have been doing this more often than not bc my brain is fully off when I play arms in keys
I press cleave and I vibe
SS is up? Guess I'll press it
hollow wave
I actually should test to just send everything when it's up and see if should make a difference on my overall
teal fossil
Sending cds on cd is op
spiral coral
I actually should test to just send everything when it's up and see if should ma...
I mean, what else are you doing
hollow plover
That 40% at 4min isn't trivial, gotta get people out of cages, people need to le...
not sure about you guys but we hit the 40% dps check effortlessly within 25 pulls and we felt like our progress was slow
you also dont need p1 optimizations in order to hit the 40% check
they help, dont get me wrong
but you dont need them
not with current gear
hollow plover
it already is trivial right now
you will always hit the 40% dps check unless you have actual griefers hovering below 2mil dps
We have some people who underperform very blatantly in terms of their dps numbers and we still consistently met the 40% dps check with a death
tacit crystal
We want to use Demolish before Collateral Damage stacks right?
if its only collat and demolish
its collat then demolish
but if you have everything its the opposite
hollow wave
I mean, what else are you doing
I mean, sometimes I delay Demolish 5 seconds to send with warbreaker, things like that
spiral coral
Nah
Send it
I need to do a dungeon where I wait for demo stacks, and do a dungeon where I send it as it comes and see if there’s a big difference
Felt like when I was paying attention to stacks on demo, I would delay it too long and my downtime would become too long unnecessarily
twin hazel
Anyone have any experience with Suspicious Energy Drink?
minor gust
I mean, sometimes I delay Demolish 5 seconds to send with warbreaker, things lik...
you 100% should hold demo if WB is 5 seconds away
spiral coral
Anyone have any experience with Suspicious Energy Drink?
Sim it, but it should do well for most
hollow plover
what talent build is people running
theres like 6 different talent setups
vast drum
Did yall play arms or fury for Sprocket? Beginning prog tn so very likely to not get into execute
minor gust
whatever your more comfortable as will be better
hexed snow
Did yall play arms or fury for Sprocket? Beginning prog tn so very likely to not...
Arms for me