arms

[shadow ibex]

Hopefully doom has a 2h

[astral yarrow]

If you're a PoE1 player, anything that isnt Deadeye will feel slow

and even then

[minor gust]

go crossbow and pretend your playing a 3rd person shooter

[smoky kayak]

they're all kinda slow to start, but Warrior gets to be a lot of fun once you get the right setup

[minor gust]

im waiting for druid to come out tho their druid preview a while back looked really good

[smoky kayak]

a bt monotonous, but that's also a hallmark of ARPGs

[tacit crystal]

yeah but playing blind

so

or at least i played it blind

[astral yarrow]

rolling slam pre loot buff where you got no weapon upgrade was not it

[smoky kayak]

fair though it's pretty intuitive, I meant more once you have a decent selection of skills and supports

mainly because there just aren't enough options for it to be all that confusing lol; the new system of tying skills directly to weapons is very limiting and there aren't nearly enough varied (and still useful) supports

[hardy olive]

Guys Burning legion is back

https://www.wowhead.com/news/legion-remix-officially-announced-at-pax-east-mythic-and-shattered-timeline-376808

[icy mulch]

Is Aug actually making a come back?

[glass zenith]

https://raider.io/characters/us/illidan/Bishjoneslol can i re gem my gear for more crit? or re enchant

when simming for M+ is patchewrk still best?

[errant goblet]

well it is beating warrior on 2 bosses now

so id say yea

[nova marsh]

Both arms and fury?

[errant goblet]

vexie and rik yea

[magic canopy]

not sure if actually meta but its pretty good

[gusty eagle]

anyone has a ravager cursor macro to share? im ass doing macros

Sadge

[tacit crystal]

#showtooltip
/use [@cursor] Ravager

[balmy kindle]

Replace ravager with any aoe spell of your choice

[nova marsh]

Yall seriously that down bad holy shir

[rare kite]

less down bad than enhance

tuning wise

[nova marsh]

Ehhhh enhance still feels fine

Maybe not in raid but idc about raid lmafo

[rare kite]

yeah in raid

[nova marsh]

Work said no to more raiding for the foreseeable future soooo

Also gally died. I'm not a mythic raider so like gg

[rare kite]

not that this tier matters. they just keep adding more and more power...

corruptions, belt and apparently(?) some new consumable that does damage based on your consumables

not to mention the raidbuff ramping up

[slow saddle]

In my shitty guild we take it

Bigger chance to c some more bosses

[rare kite]

my guild is shitty as well. still don't like all the power, makes it a waiting game

[slow saddle]

Ah doesnt feel like it, as we arent hitting any dps wall

We have 4/5 ppl that could just play avg

And we would get more power

😆

[rare kite]

we aren't either, but i mean it in the sense that extra dps means you skip a certain amount of mechanics. fights doesn't last as long

idk man i think they are giving us way too much shit and progging doesn't feel very rewarding this expansion(thus far)

[slow saddle]

Ok, i like it. But i understand ya point

[rare kite]

like in dragonflight s3 we barely made the smolderon check and it felt very good killing it

[slow saddle]

I havent been in an situation where boss, couldnt die 1 week for buff to make a difference

Its just been ppl actuslly playin better

[slow saddle]

Its my fav raid so far

[rare kite]

amirdrassil or undermine?

[slow saddle]

Amir ofc

Hated leggo

But once we got it

[rare kite]

yeah i really liked amidrassil as well(except council of dreams)

[slow saddle]

Yes

The nerfs that came

[rare kite]

i got it really early. my headcannon is still that i only got because blizzard could sense i did not want it

[slow saddle]

Fit into our guild skill

[slow saddle]

I got it on last 2

So it was fine

Wasnt early😆😆

But tindy was super fun

Even with a million tries

[rare kite]

agreed. arms also very fun tier set(tho i only played it in m+)

[slow saddle]

Yup

I voted for it

But fury was so much better in raid

Immortal

😂

[rare kite]

that was fine for me. i enjoyed s3 fury in raid, just not in m+

[slow saddle]

Same

Weirdly how 2x of

Wasnt an issue

[rare kite]

coz they didn't have adds with no hp timed to our cds

[slow saddle]

Ikr

[rare kite]

on several fights

[slow saddle]

And

It came from tier

So ppl got it when all had gear

Not in hc

I also prefer ra, to have cds at correct times even if i loose uptime

[rare kite]

oh and i forgot about the turbogear. giving us even more power

[slow saddle]

Yeah, its nice

For m+

But not for raid

Gonna be a busy week upgrading though jesus

[rare kite]

yeahh, really worried about the future of raiding if this continues. will prob have a shit ton of CE's

[boreal quartz]

is that a bad thing

[rare kite]

depends how you see it. bad for some, good for others

[boreal quartz]

doesnt affect me that more guilds finish the radi

considering they need to still prog and if ur not done by the raid by then anyways ur prolly not insane

so the gear might not even make the big difference

[rare kite]

idk i think some of the fun is in progging the raid. if they give us more shit it lessens the challenge

[boreal quartz]

ok but do you start prog

when they release the higher ilvl 2 months into the tier

how does that affect any normal guild

farm is easier and shitters can see a bit further 🤷‍♂️

[rare kite]

for a good guild it is true it doesn't really affect them

[boreal quartz]

and is mythic raiding becoming more accessible so horrible

[rare kite]

we will see, if it becomes as accessible as i fear then yes. decent chance i am dooming too hard tho

[boreal quartz]

you fear more people playing content

[rare kite]

i fear content becoming too easy

[boreal quartz]

ah cuz raid famously is a damage check not an execution check

surely you couldve outdamaged missing eggs every set on brood last tier

[rare kite]

missing eggs no, but with the raidbuff at some point we skipped an entire eggset

[boreal quartz]

still theres a minimum of completed egg sets

and its the same for this tier

you might get less of the horrid RWF overlaps but you still need to play the fight

[swift crown]

Enraging a Goon is still death most likely

Fucking up a swap is death

It's gonna be okay

[boreal quartz]

if you knock a 660 ilvl or a 690 ilvl player off of the conveyor boss they die anyways

[swift crown]

It makes farm a bit mind numbing

Might have to actually play keys???

[boreal quartz]

i hecking love farm

batchest emoji

[swift crown]

Maybe the 3 swap Mugzee strat will come and save us

[rare kite]

yeah don't get me wrong. you still need to do the fights and things like that, i like having some fights that are dps checks. whether it's to beat the seed on fyrakk or just hard enrages etc. all these buffs take away that

[swift crown]

Imma be real

I watched shit tier guilds play non-awakened Fyrakk in awakened season

And I'm not worried at all

[slow saddle]

I also think more ppl better

[rare kite]

yeah? like i said earlier, i could just be dooming too hard

very possible

and if i am, i have no trouble admitting so when proven wrong

[boreal quartz]

its always crazy when u see "normal" players compared to ppl you normally play with

[slow saddle]

If u feel less of an achievement for a kill thats real for you

[boreal quartz]

even when im like bazillion WR below you its still another world to LFR mains n shit

[steep osprey]

Yo phil

Finally gonna get guldan mounts in remix

[slow saddle]

Buffs + 1 button rotation might.actually make some of my guildies better

[steep osprey]

[rare kite]

yeah the difference between a guild like mine(rank 1500 or some shit idk) and a aotc guild is still insane

[swift crown]

The skill diffy going down

Is kinda nuts

[boreal quartz]

even ppl i used to play with

their "CE" guild

[swift crown]

WoW isn't that hard of a game and I'm not talking about just parsing

[boreal quartz]

that didnt kill ansurek vs mine is crazy

[slow saddle]

Man just in an avg mythic guild, the skill diff is huuge

[boreal quartz]

but thats cuz there is 20 ppl in a guild

[swift crown]

You don't have to parse to be useful

[boreal quartz]

not just individuals

[steep osprey]

We’re an aotc guild that progresses mythic, on stix rn

[rare kite]

hugee

[boreal quartz]

imma be real with u i have no sub no game i dont rlly mind the mounts

[slow saddle]

Hahaa thats prob what im in as well, just wont admit it

[boreal quartz]

especially cuz i have both regardless

its ok to not be a CE frog if ur having fun

[steep osprey]

Do you have the scythe etc

[boreal quartz]

you can be good at wow without rading

[swift crown]

I was in a ~WR 150 8 hour guild before they disbanded and there was a very noticable difference between us and my old guild (~WR 150 12 hour)

[boreal quartz]

i am only missing maiden hammer

[steep osprey]

Oh I got that once randomly

[boreal quartz]

but i never do maiden

[steep osprey]

I stopped doing old raids a while ago

I’m missing blue scythe

Looks cooler than red tbh

[boreal quartz]

neither are good appearances for warrior

99% of the time

[swift crown]

Wtf

[boreal quartz]

goofy ass swing animation on arms

[steep osprey]

True, and I don’t like the polearm animation

[swift crown]

@sacred zodiac getting flamed here

[boreal quartz]

spongus tmog game dropped off ever since he race changed

[rare kite]

only did old raids for taeshalac

[swift crown]

Turtles ruined her

[rare kite]

then i don't even use it

[boreal quartz]

inshallah

taesh is good

[steep osprey]

It took us like 70 pulls or something for rik

I’m guess stix is something like 100

[slow saddle]

We were avg on rik

[swift crown]

70??

Jeez

[slow saddle]

But stix is gonna be shit show

[steep osprey]

Bro it’s an aotc guild

[rare kite]

stix is giganerfed. i think you guys can do it

[boreal quartz]

@swift crownguild i left did 700 on tindral and just didnt kill it

[swift crown]

Idk Stix still seems like a pretty sizable step up from Rik

[slow saddle]

Stix is easiernimho

[steep osprey]

Not that much

[swift crown]

Stix has a lot more personal responsibility

[slow saddle]

Rik is harder at least when u have panikky shityers

Ofc, for a kill hsrder

But for real

[swift crown]

Say that to the 4 people who just got balled and wiped

[steep osprey]

Stix seemer fine from the pulls we did, we just have to deal with balls better, and fire ground from incinerates

[slow saddle]

Ikr

Sadly our tank is retarsed

So he rolls ball like he is aimin for crabs

I swear

[swift crown]

Stix, same as Lockenstock, makes the whole raid actually participate in killing the boss, which instantly makes it harder than say Rik

You can kill Rik with like 8 people participating and 12 people drooling on their keyboard

[sacred zodiac]

Elves have some really good uppercut Animations that work with scythes

[slow saddle]

Or my fav, my guy saying i cant do bomb.. 0.5sec b4 it explodes

[steep osprey]

Someone posted this in the guild discord

https://m.twitch.tv/gnolde/clip/WrongCautiousMeerkatKreygasm-Bxi_86xaVdKsfQ8K?ios-app-redirect=true&desktop-redirect=true

[swift crown]

I saw that

In RLE

[steep osprey]

Classic

[rare kite]

ngl i take the bombs no matter what, even if not in my sector. no trust

[boreal quartz]

same thing that made smolderon tindral explode most ce getter guilds in df

[slow saddle]

Ive started doin that as well

[steep osprey]

First four bosses in this raid are so much harder than the first 4 in NP

[slow saddle]

100%

Rik is a real boss

[boreal quartz]

first 4 being puggable by m+ers shouldnt be the standard

[steep osprey]

I wouldn’t even really consider any of the 4 first bosses in NP hard

[steep osprey]

I agree, it’s always been 2

[boreal quartz]

always?

[slow saddle]

Yup 2 is fine

[steep osprey]

Not always

Usually

[boreal quartz]

dont recall nathria sod or sep being puggable easily

[slow saddle]

1st sod?

[rare kite]

rik will be pugable later this season

[boreal quartz]

vault yh, abb yh, emerald dream yh

[boreal quartz]

eye if ur pug was bad

i did pug it cuz i was new to M and it was rlly rlly aids

[steep osprey]

2nd CN boss wasn’t really easy for pugs

Idk if shriekwing was tough for pugs but he did have new mechanics

[boreal quartz]

coordinated movement is always hit and miss

but thats like legit 5 years ago

idek

[steep osprey]

5..

I rerolled to evoker because my guild has too many melees

[boreal quartz]

L

[steep osprey]

I was very surprised with how shitty that class is for rikk

I got very mad

[boreal quartz]

never reroll force others off your spot

be better

[steep osprey]

25 range

[swift crown]

Just play in melee perma

[swift crown]

Already is

Even Stix

Of course depending on pug quality

As is always the case

[steep osprey]

The game doesn’t register you as melee on rik

So you can get ranged amps

That are bait

[swift crown]

Okay love the fake news

Baits are on players not in melee range, not on range players

Melee can bait if they run away

[steep osprey]

I could have sworn I got an amp on me when I was on melee as evoker

I could be wrong

[swift crown]

You have to be in melee when the bait happens

Which a bunch of melees aren't also often, there's one set where he spawns Pyrotechnics into bait

[tacit crystal]

box has been playing aug

[steep osprey]

[quaint otter]

[steep osprey]

[rustic mountain]

hi, dont understand the difference between Rend and Thunderclap in ST ? (exept 5 target)

[steep osprey]

I don't think it matters

the damage difference is negligible

[rustic mountain]

ok thanks 🙂 if i can save a skill :p

[naive sage]

TC costs 10 more rage

[rustic mountain]

i saw 20 for both

strange

[steep osprey]

No it doesn't Spezz

Everything costs 20 except for MS and Execute

[dim basalt]

Rend does more damage in ST

Initial damage, that is

But its very minor to the point it doesnt matter

[bold otter]

I's it okay to let rend drop off for a few secods to press moral strike or a proceed overpower in ST

[eager sigil]

no reason to

[safe island]

Is Fatality a bad talent?

[hexed snow]

Just click rend before it goes off

[icy mulch]

It's inconsistent.

9 - 32 mil

[arctic axle]

generally not worth it,BUT i find it very useful in rookery's last boss ,when he has 100% dmg taken phase

as long as you combine cs+avatar+phase

on that end also,wrecking throw helps get down the barrier faster

[sacred zodiac]

it has its merit for bandit and mugzee prog where you dont care about >35% damage but <35% is all that matters

[safe island]

I'm about to start progressing on Mugzee, and I'm thinking of trying out Fatality.

[sacred zodiac]

ye you can just copy the talents from someone that used fatality on wclogs

your damage might look less stellar than usual pre execute but you're there for exe anyways

[safe island]

no kill, no logs

I’m wondering if Fatality is affected by buffs. like avatar?

[eager sigil]

it is

[safe island]

If that's the case, things might get a bit tricky.

[sacred zodiac]

not really you should be holding your cds for the lust window anyways

or well no the fast strat doesnt have that timing right

[safe island]

omg

[sacred zodiac]

ye my fatal mark pops outside of avatar for me but my raid will do significantly more damage than you since we're on reclear and comfortable with the fight

you could technically stop executing if boss is <30% until ava lol

idk even if you cant fit it in your ava window its still probably worth it

[safe island]

I just got started, so I’ll have to fine-tune things as I go. Thanks!

[plush swan]

Hey, is Befouler's Syringe good or bad?

Got it on a hero track and I'm wondering if it's worth keeping or not.

[thick kelp]

compared to what

[plush swan]

I mean, in general. I'm not expecting it to beat Best-In-Slots, but I'm wondering if it performs better than a generic two-handed weapon or not. I'm still gearing my char.

So I'm trying to be slightly stingy with what I throw my Valorstones at.

[thick kelp]

its worse than a normal hero weapon in aoe and like tiny bit better in ST, personally wouldnt take it and just farm a hero weapon/craft a weapon

[olive nest]

[plush swan]

Alright, thanks. ❤️

[hexed snow]

Generally at 4 mins, if I'm not mistaken

[queen star]

@daring heron does the xephUI highlighter WA break for you every now and then for you too/anyone else here in chat using it or is it something on my end thats breaking it?

[calm hollow]

Just played full ST talents with improved SS

Not felt the need of Fatality

[shadow ibex]

It's nice if you can line up avatar

But that's depends on your raid dps really

[minor gust]

I convinced my RL not to put me in last jail set

[dim basalt]

Cant wait to be in jail

[slow saddle]

Me2 coz that means we killed oan

Oab😂

[rain cipher]

I was in 2 jails. Second and last

My raid leader likes to troll me hard

And my log was solid gray 😂😂

[calm hollow]

Doesnt matter, I did 3m dps on a pull where I got 2 jails

Just try to keep jugger up

[slow saddle]

Fatatlity should be a controlable toggle sub 30%

[calm hollow]

Oab should be kinda free by now

[shadow ibex]

We're sub 20 before last jail

My fatal pops during charges

[minor gust]

What's % at 2nd jail

[calm hollow]

Should be between 45-50

Cause you phase at 40

[slow saddle]

My guild is bad still on stix m8

[calm hollow]

Holy

[quasi torrent]

how much do u raid

to be on stix

[calm hollow]

Sending my prayers to you

[shadow ibex]

We finish second jail around 42 43

[slow saddle]

Thank you, morning guild, cant raid evening

[shadow ibex]

Have to hold sometimes not

[calm hollow]

When you guys bl?

[shadow ibex]

40

[calm hollow]

Same

[shadow ibex]

I can't get avatar fatal

Cuz he's 30 fast

[calm hollow]

You might tho, I get a a back on second change

[shadow ibex]

Maybe I can if I delay

Yea same

[calm hollow]

But Thats a lot of wasted execute

[shadow ibex]

Mines back at second and send

[calm hollow]

Yea same

[shadow ibex]

Feels greedy cuz movement but after is bombs and jail and I do jail

And might get ice boots

So can't delay

[calm hollow]

Not greedy at all

You have cd back after 3rd jail

Perfect

[shadow ibex]

Idk if he lives

But we haven't either

[calm hollow]

Once you manage to survive that part, its kinda dead after

[sacred zodiac]

Once a month

[calm hollow]

They log in for raid end

[slow saddle]

Twice a week

[shadow ibex]

That soak is our pb

Once we get it it dies that pull

[minor gust]

Mine circles need to be brighter on mug

[slow saddle]

We at 23% stix at 60 pulls

[sacred zodiac]

If ur lucky ya

Can still very much wipe after that

[calm hollow]

Soak is not the end 😂 after you have to soak the 2 mines left, while killing adds and handling finger gun, also bait new mines and not soak them

But with current damage buffs coming, I dont even know if boss will live after 3rd prison

[quasi torrent]

Unless u have inf deaths u can kinda skip handling the last spears atleast

cause those spears will likely make someone walk into a mine

first time u get there atleast

[calm hollow]

Funny but we never had a wipe in that

Just enrage, cause too many died

[shadow ibex]

Was about to have bad day at work then remember it's pull day

He's 16% during that final soak

Idk if he lives to kill us

[minor gust]

you guys kill I believe

[calm hollow]

Btw I wonder how can Mugzee have so bad loot

The only good thing killing it, is finally going on Gally

[minor gust]

its got what the wep and the jug and thats it

[quasi torrent]

its not bad loot for casters

mace jug

[calm hollow]

I mean for us, obv

[quasi torrent]

cata chest, kneck

isnt entirely worthless

also THE GOON SQUAD ofc

[calm hollow]

I dont consider cata items good loot

[minor gust]

its always better to goon together

[calm hollow]

Neck for fury is nice

[quasi torrent]

Then you're wrong 👍

[minor gust]

Silken court didnt really have any loot for us

[calm hollow]

Had a weapon tho

[minor gust]

wep doesnt really matter that late into a raid tier

most already have a wep by then

first boss had a wep

[calm hollow]

We didnt have a weapon drop from 1st boss for like 6-7 weeks

Same with Rik now, 1 neck drop so far

[minor gust]

thats rough weve had 4 rik neck drops in a row

[quasi torrent]

think i got my 2nd myth wep from silken

[minor gust]

same with cauldron ring

[spiral coral]

Turbo boost with time walking, with warbound valorstones

Damn

Blizzard - why tune when everyone can reroll

[minor gust]

2nd is not bad you guys prob killed court pretty early on right since your in a gamer guild.

[quasi torrent]

idk if gamer is correct

was like 150

and i count crafted as mythic wep so

[minor gust]

HOF is pretty gamer in my eyes when my guild is a casual CE guild thats top 500

I would move to a HOF guild if I didnt like the people I raid with

[calm hollow]

Well not top 200 but killed silken kinda early

[minor gust]

ive gotten a lot of offers this past year but ive turned them down

[quasi torrent]

i also lied

this was my gear on first silken

[minor gust]

https://tenor.com/view/anakin-liar-star-wars-lying-gif-8634649

[quasi torrent]

don't mind the rest of my gear

I had normal amount of gear that tier

[minor gust]

looks like me this tier

I got giga fed

I was 672 in my raid before anyone else was 669

[quasi torrent]

week one last tier yep

[calm hollow]

I’m stuck at 674 now, 4 vaults in a row with no upgrade

[minor gust]

F

[quasi torrent]

i dont think i was that fed this tier

kinda unusual

[minor gust]

ive been done with vault for the last 3 weeks now

currently 676

[quasi torrent]

i think my sub runs out in 2 days

[minor gust]

just need 1 mythic ring and a myth HOC

[quasi torrent]

haven't logged in in idk 3

weeks

[minor gust]

F

[calm hollow]

My sub runs out in like

350 days

[minor gust]

I yearly sub aswell cuz if im bored of retail I just goto classic

I have a problem

[calm hollow]

I’m a mount farmer, so hardly run out of stuff

[quasi torrent]

blizzard has just been pissing me off a bit too much lately

[minor gust]

Blizzard been making bad decisions for almost 10 years now

nothing new for me

I still cant believe they were about to introduce Dinars for the third time and still not have M+ loot apart of the vendor

[quasi torrent]

i felt like throughout df they made improvements

but tww just feels like such an undercooked product

[calm hollow]

I like TWW tho

[quasi torrent]

and they keep falling in the same traps on global

it's just DF pro max

Idk

[calm hollow]

Only thing I dont like is paragon mounts

[quasi torrent]

i dont even know about any of that

ive got like 150 mounts

[dim basalt]

people randomly message you?

[minor gust]

usually discord messages

a couple in game mails

[quasi torrent]

imagine not getting poached

[dim basalt]

wild

Ive only seen that stuff coming from desperate, bad guilds

[minor gust]

usually a gm or recruitment from a HOF guild reaches out

[quasi torrent]

then you need to be more desirable

[dim basalt]

Im only in a ~#900 guild m8

[calm hollow]

I got only 1 offer in years 😂

[quasi torrent]

toes

[minor gust]

ive had 6 so far. just this year All the good warrior players be dropping like flies these days

brown class is shit

[quasi torrent]

brown class just stuck in bfa

[fresh spire]

The classic ingame mail

[calm hollow]

But I dont really leave a guild until its joever

[quasi torrent]

think last time i did anything IN GAME MAIL was in wod

what wod is a decade ago

[dim basalt]

I could raid in a better guild but I like chill 2 days raiding

[calm hollow]

Fine with world300, could clear 1 week faster but cba

[naive sage]

My guild is still 3/8 and Stix seems quite distant from kill
I applied for a CE/HoF guild on my realm but they understandably refused it
I am stuck because I don’t have the opportunity to prove myself or even to learn to be better with harder challenges

[minor gust]

I just really like the people I raid with. Rather be in a top 500 guild that I like than a HOF guild that I might not like at all

[quasi torrent]

did u unlock a 9th boss jesus

[naive sage]

Ah sorry misclick

[dim basalt]

ye exactly

How often do you raid tho?

3 days?

[minor gust]

3 days its a lot but yeah the people I play with matter more

[dim basalt]

We would prob hover around the same with 3 days

[halcyon breach]

liar liar hosen on fire

[dim basalt]

Sometimes I feel like raiding 3 days but idk

[minor gust]

yeah were not the greatest but thats fine

we get CE every tier at a reasonable time so Im chillin

[calm hollow]

We raid 3-4 days while prog, then 1-2 while clear, depends how fast we can manage to clear in 1 day

[quasi torrent]

ok mare user

[halcyon breach]

I am not the user of mare

[quasi torrent]

sure buddy

[halcyon breach]

Bro I have 3 mods

2 of them being ear physics

[quasi torrent]

Curious

what is the third

[minor gust]

Mare FF14 got horse girls now?

[halcyon breach]

The third I will not tell

[quasi torrent]

Nah its the sharing mod for mod beasts

If someone has ⤵️ mare lamentorum ⤴️ in their bio

do not trust them

but god knows theres probs a mod for horse girls in that game

[minor gust]

it probably gives the girls a horse something

[quasi torrent]

Sure buddy

sure

[shadow ibex]

A horse something is crazy

[halcyon breach]

It's best to not think about it

[minor gust]

the internet is a special place

[quasi torrent]

but having to install penumbra to acquire ear physics

is very rude of the game

@halcyon breach do u have SUPA FLOPPA enabled

[fresh spire]

[halcyon breach]

I do not have the SUPA FLOPPA activated no

[quasi torrent]

L

[maiden notch]

Bro getting declined for 17s is kinda yikes. „Need dk for grips“

Like which key even really needs grips.
I can understand rookery and psf for ams.

Or plain just want dk for their dps. But grips???

[minor gust]

just get a heroic HOC week 1 its easy

[candid pecan]

true

[fresh spire]

It's easier to tell you they want grips than your class is bad

[bright scarab]

In +10 keys, what is a decent Arms overall DPS? I can't seem to get 4m like a lot of other classes at 668 ilvl

[minor gust]

theres like 20 different factors that affect overall dont worry about comparing or trying to find some magic number to reach

[spiral coral]

Play Slayer and turn off details

[bright scarab]

Yeah go back to Fury Slayer and just prio target

[slow saddle]

Hmm yes the sweepin nerfs

Weird

Also u shouldnt care bout overall in a 10

Is ya boss dmg good. Most likely its other factors

Now if ya boss dmg also os bad

[bright scarab]

What is good or bad boss dmg

[olive nest]

arms owns

[minor gust]

but was this slayer

[olive nest]

lmao nah it was colo in 15 rook

im noober

[minor gust]

coward

[urban iron]

I am arms god now
(just because it was only a 10 and priory doesn't count)

why does your damage meter look so much crispier than mine

[sharp wyvern]

he turned the brightness up

[urban iron]

true he does always have shades on

[shadow ibex]

Remove jug

[slate grail]

they doin tank dmg to make sure pack doesn’t die too fast for ur sweeping ramp

[sharp wyvern]

what a great teammate

[urban iron]

I did 3.5m on first boss, carrying my overall with pad

[urban iron]

Hey I have mare but only because they bricked textools so now I gotta go find my 4k ui mods with the degens

We are not the same

[quasi torrent]

sure buddy

[urban iron]

https://tenor.com/view/uhm-i-didnt-do-it-why-are-you-looking-at-me-i-dont-know-gif-16492057

[shadow ibex]

When I show up to a we are not the same competition and my opponent is me

[pulsar fractal]

are there any numbers on the performance difference of colossal and slayer in m+?

[tacit crystal]

yes

colo is better by a lot

[lean geode]

I think Fishy ran some numbers let me see if I can find them

[urban iron]

You don’t need math to tell you what your body already knows

[lean geode]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/mKGXBfPtTdLrx761AEdgzm

[urban iron]

Thonk n boom demolish feel gud

[lean geode]

That was from the day the tuning was announced I think

So probably some more cooking has been done

Not sure if the hotfix numbers/updated APL are in simc yet but I can check

[tacit crystal]

y did it sweep before raor

[lean geode]

Idk I'm not an arms knower

[shadow ibex]

Cuz apl doesn't care

Just gets it on cd

[lean geode]

Slayer ~3% better single target
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/81o9buEzX2Bm9hWAe5Lko2

~6.5% worse 5t
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/4Z3aiTzfYxoawCY9mnSVgo

That's with my arms gear (which is bad)

[pulsar fractal]

Thanks

[shadow ibex]

Dw about collat and just press the button

[tacit crystal]

sus

[minor gust]

apl is not gonna take collateral mini game into account

its just gonna press its buttons

[lean geode]

I'm like 99% sure playing around CD/SS has been checked in the APL

Like it's not terribly complicated to add those checks

So if it's not included that probably means it's not worth it (at least in a sim context)

[minor gust]

does it hold the collat for the 2nd warbreaker

cuz with blademasters by the time SS ends 2nd warbreaker is a couple seconds from coming off cd

[lean geode]

APL doesn't seem to have any checks for collat

[glass zenith]

dumb question, when you get 10 stacks of winning streak are you meant to spam overpower till it falls off?

[minor gust]

you dont really play around it no just keep following normal prio

[lean geode]

There used to be some checks for winning streak stacks but it was so minor it ended up getting removed because it's not worth thinking about

FWIW though I believe Revvez does play around it

[glass zenith]

okay wasnt sure if it was important or not thank you

[lean geode]

This is from Revvez' maxroll guide

AFAIK Revvez sort of develops his own APL separate from everyone else

[glass zenith]

just kinda made sense to spam OP on Cd to gain the haste and MS/Cleave dps increase if possible but i could see it losing dps if RNG falls off in your favor

[minor gust]

Revvez is also a goat not playing around it also just keeps it simple

[lean geode]

Yeah if you're not Him (capital H) it's not worth thinking about or tracking

[glass zenith]

saw a few weak auras tracking it so i thought i was maybe missing something

[minor gust]

you can track it if you want to see it but not really worth playing around

[lean geode]

People in general are bad at identifying and effectively tracking things that are actually important and actionable 🙂

[dim basalt]

Tracking it just makes you rage more about the spec

When you see it not popping for solid 2 minutes

15% btw

[glass zenith]

yea fair enough, i just made weak auras for colleteral damge, deep wounds, and colosal stacks

[lean geode]

You shouldn't really need to track DW tbh

[dim basalt]

Deep Wound plays itself

[minor gust]

DF execute phase moment

Aware

[dim basalt]

enlighten me

[minor gust]

season 3 we spam execute only ms to reapply bleeds

[glass zenith]

I rememeber that

[dire hinge]

Happy weekend nerds 🤎

[lean geode]

What are you up to this weekend king

[dire hinge]

On my way back from the farmers market with some fresh bread and pastries for my partner, unsure about the rest of the day 🥰

Hbu friend?

[lean geode]

Oh hell yeah

[dim basalt]

So in S3 war had even more rage than rn?

[lean geode]

Gym then meal prep then alt key angle for me

[glass zenith]

meal prep is OP

[dim basalt]

What meal prep are you making

Need inspo

[lean geode]

Okay hear me out

This will sound vile

[minor gust]

lmao we had infitinely more rage back in DF

[lean geode]

But it's cut season so my taste buds are on deaths door anyways

[dire hinge]

Nice! Good luck at the gym today ♥️ may all your equipment be clean and available

[glass zenith]

cook chicken breasts and put natural Peanut butter on them

[lean geode]

Blend up a big tub of cottage cheese with half a bag of cheddar cheese, a couple cans of tuna, and a packet of taco seasoning, then put that over some chickpea pasta

[glass zenith]

high protein and tastes good af

[dim basalt]

Are you Markus Rühl or what

[urban iron]

Yall are wild

You want a bunch of protein just eat shrimp

[lean geode]

I think Markus Rühl's shoulders are the size of my quads

[urban iron]

Peanut butter chicken and shit

Crazy people lol

[dim basalt]

Also taco seasoning sounds disgusting

[lean geode]

Shrimp is expensive and kind of a pain to prep imo

[urban iron]

Shrimp is cheap af

[lean geode]

#arms message

[urban iron]

It’s cheaper than chicken breasts and beef

[lean geode]

Where do you live

[urban iron]

America?

[lean geode]

Shrimp is like 4-5x more expensive than chicken breast

[dim basalt]

I mean I heard it being part of recipes often, but as a non-american it doesnt sound great

[lean geode]

Where I live at least

[urban iron]

Chicken breast is like 10-12 a lb

[dire hinge]

If you’re looking to make a bunch of cheap food with lots of protein I might suggest African peanut stew. I can dm you my recipe later. Makes like 8 servings

[lean geode]

Oh you meant in general, not just in this context

[dim basalt]

ye

[lean geode]

👀

[lean geode]

It's like $3 a lb from the deli counter at the grocery store lmao

[dire hinge]

I love food 🙂‍↕️

[urban iron]

You can get small size frozen imported shrimp at basically any supermarket in America for like 7lb and as long as you don’t mind peeling it you can make all kinds of stuff

[dim basalt]

Why do I dislike peanuts out of all nuts out there

[lean geode]

Also if you guys don't fuck with vegan/vegetarian fake meat, you need to get on that shit

[dim basalt]

Peanuts are so broken

[urban iron]

You mean like precooked chicken?

[lean geode]

Tastes great, cheaper than real meat, easy to prep

[lean geode]

Nah just raw bulk chicken breast

[urban iron]

Where tf do you live

[lean geode]

NC

[urban iron]

I need move there

[dire hinge]

Cooking is, imho, one of the best skills you can ever develop irl

Way better than WoW cooking

[urban iron]

I live north of DC I’ve resorted to crazy things to control my grocery bill

I only buy whole chickens now which I can get at 8/lb and butcher them myself, I buy bulk frozen shrimp from Walmart

We just make our own bread

[lean geode]

Facts but I only really cook for myself and I have super low standards

[dire hinge]

Absolutely. The less butchered the meat the cheaper you can get it

[urban iron]

Meat here is wild, I paid 11 dollars for ground beef to make chili

[dim basalt]

11 dollars for how much

[urban iron]

We do have a lot of produce here though so I can buy that direct cheap

A pound

[dim basalt]

Damn lol

[urban iron]

10.99 for 90/10

We have a zillion farms, and farm brews

[dim basalt]

Thats like 7.5€ here

[urban iron]

So ironically I can get beer cheaper than meat

[dire hinge]

Ah yeah 90/10 will do that

[urban iron]

Buying cheaper ground for chili is pointless it’s just gonna render off

[dire hinge]

I’m in San Francisco so I feel that grocery bill 😭

You render it off and pour it out, save a few bucks

Right down the drain as a little treat for the landlord 🥰

[urban iron]

lol sadly I am my own landlord

[dire hinge]

Haha yeah be nice to yours then (I heard he deserves a lot of kindness and patience this week)

[urban iron]

I honestly think steak may be cheaper than ground beef now

[shadow ibex]

Abuse the sales. My acme had rib eye steaks for 7.99 a pound

Usually 19

[urban iron]

You can get a ribeye for 10 bucks a pound

Chicken wings are wild too

[dim basalt]

boneless chicken wings 😩

[lean geode]

I think 90/10 is like 6/lb here, I usually get 95/5 turkey and it's 4/lb

[dire hinge]

one of our local grocers runs a 5+ items for $5/ea sale once in a blue moon and we just load up on the most random stuff and stock the freezer

figure out how to cook it into something later 😂

fetching that recipe now, because of who i am as a person I have it in github

[dim basalt]

lmfao

[lean geode]

Genius

[dire hinge]

i make adjustments to it over time and sometime it makes it worse and i wanna go back and try the original one 😂

[urban iron]

Do you branch it when you cook it and then pull request your updates?

Who is doing recipe review?

What does your ci look like?

I have so many questions

[dim basalt]

[dire hinge]

so i know how to do all of those things, but honestly i just edit it raw in the github UI and commit the adjustments with a note

keep it low barrier-to-entry for myself, but i usually cook with my laptop nearby for easy referencing, so it works out

it's all just markdown files, so it renders fine

etc.

[dire hinge]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

i have images for some of them

it's a repo just for me, i allow it to be bad

[lean geode]

1 cup of cilantro/parsley sounds like a ton

But I also don't like them so idk

[dire hinge]

yeah for parsely i'd do about half that much

it's really tasty though trust the proces

[dim basalt]

Whats yalls fav spice / seasoning

[minor gust]

Paprika in everything.

[dim basalt]

But what paprika

[minor gust]

Smoked

[dim basalt]

based

[dire hinge]

yeah smoked paprika 100%

with like, a little cumin mixed in

[minor gust]

Lil cumin, cayenne and garlic

[dim basalt]

Dill and nutmeg for me tbh

Could sniff nutmeg all day ngl

[dire hinge]

it is hallucinogenic so that checks out

[dim basalt]

It actually is?

[dire hinge]

it used to be used for birth control in high quantities yeah

[dim basalt]

That explains a lot

[dire hinge]

food history is wild

[lean geode]

Nutmeg is extremely based but dill belongs in the trash

I'm a real cinnamon/nutmeg fiend

[dim basalt]

My family is russian so Im bound to like dill

Because its everywhere

[dire hinge]

mixin' lil bit of cinnamon into my coffee grinds every morning 👌

[urban iron]

So many good spices

But I’m gonna go with salt

And msg

Salt and msg been carrying flavor for like 400 years

[solemn solar]

when do we stop using this cyrce's circlet ?

[minor gust]

when you have a ring that sims better

[dim basalt]

Is WW fun?

I wanna play an alt but idk which spec

[dire hinge]

idk play Cleave

oh windwalker

[shadow ibex]

New game angle

[dire hinge]

it's fun

[dim basalt]

If there were interesting games

[dire hinge]

whirling dragon punch is neat

[dim basalt]

Already played Clair Obscur

[shadow ibex]

I cba alting with dinars they not gonna kill any mythic

[minor gust]

still dont understand how blizz can make this mistake again

[hexed snow]

Spinning crane kick

[shadow ibex]

If it's account wide then

We eat good

[minor gust]

im still holding out they come to their senses and make it account wide

[shadow ibex]

I think they sooner make it like s4 than account wide

[minor gust]

idk how they make this push for maximum alt friendliness over the last few years. Just to make a massive non alt friendly decsion that makes no sense

[shadow ibex]

People would riot if mythic raiders were running around with 7 alts wearing hoc and bis

Not saying they should but they would

[minor gust]

nah

[subtle glade]

Make What account wide?

[minor gust]

I dont believe that one bit

people are more mad that you have to kill the boss on mythic to get the myth version

[shadow ibex]

Yea and if the only people who did were able to send it to alts vs ppl can't even get it on their main

Bro reddit

Would explode

[minor gust]

idk its just insanely stupid that its not account wide

the kill requirement atleast makes sense

reward people for actually playing the game

[shadow ibex]

Oab kills should be cake how

[minor gust]

yeah OAB felt night and day after that last set of nerf

[shadow ibex]

Idk what's the average guild at tho

[minor gust]

the turbo shit and the dumb belt will giga juice people

[shadow ibex]

Like if you're getting CE 1/2 weeks before patch ends

[minor gust]

avg guilds shouldnt struggle that much

[shadow ibex]

Are they at sprock right now

Or stix

[minor gust]

no clue

[eager sigil]

somewhere around there i think

[dim basalt]

Stix I believe

[shadow ibex]

After Stix oab should be free

If they can get a hunter to roll shit

[eager sigil]

i mean if you struggled so long on stix it wont be free

[shadow ibex]

Sprock I mean

Fucking Why

[minor gust]

Sprock will be harder than OAB

[dim basalt]

^

[eager sigil]

mostly because there less responsibility on the each player

1 guy cant wipe you on bandit really

[shadow ibex]

Did they change anything to not make that second gate suck?

[eager sigil]

on sprocket and stix your worst guy holds you back alot

[shadow ibex]

I hated having to time second gate vs being knocked into the first

Surprised they haven't nerfed that. Feel like most teams lose a lot of ppl there cuz they don't have interact bound or control shard

[eager sigil]

people place gate behind the boss now i saw

[shadow ibex]

It's like a fake level of difficulty l

[eager sigil]

so you get knocked into that one aswell

[minor gust]

you get knocked into 2nd gate yeah

[shadow ibex]

Man i was sweating

[eager sigil]

but control shard gives you so much grace period to press it

[shadow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/your-youre-you-or-youre-poor-grammer-indecisive-gif-24128495

[minor gust]

yee you will fly past the gate and still control shard

it wasnt really that difficult

[eager sigil]

yea people fuck up if they press early

late isnt an issue

[shadow ibex]

I just didn't trust on second since so close to edge

Never messed it up but it always scared shit out of me being on that side

[eager sigil]

yea you also see 2nd gate way less

so its abit scarier

[minor gust]

warrior privilege if you take gate early just leap to save yourself 🙂

did that many times

[shadow ibex]

Charging and scaring everyone

Let's all find out together where charge pathing will take us

[eager sigil]

me pressing whirling dragon punch and hoping people make way

[shadow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/witness-rage-mad-max-gif-4527107021531365595

[minor gust]

hey man if your in the way of my charge you are the one in the wrong

[brave dust]

any1 have a break down of damage in a higher end M+

[tacit crystal]

cleave > demolish > ms > op > dw > roar > rend >

[shadow ibex]

Remove bleeds

[minor gust]

[shadow ibex]

Imagine how hard my buttons can be

When I don't have 6-9% wrapped up in lame bleeds

[minor gust]

DW can stay but rend needs to go

[shadow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/starship-troopers-paul-verhoeven-robert-heinlein-buenos-aires-kill-them-all-gif-23642456

[flat willow]

leave rend alone

its been a loyal companion since you were born

it was there when you learnt to walk in durotar

[shadow ibex]

2 ranks 10% bleed damage

Who am i

[spark mango]

Invites never existed for us now everyone is also asking for tips for trying the key,

very nice

[flat willow]

https://tenor.com/view/stewly-blume-stares-cat-meme-orange-gif-15920521806815485152

[spark mango]

this resilient and tip system really sucks tho, i hope it gets addressed very soon

[shadow ibex]

Idek why bb is 2 ranks

Even one point for 10% on one of your smallest dmg sources in the center of the tree

[minor gust]

it keeps getting nerfed too

[teal fossil]

1 point for 10% would go sicko mode

[viral locust]

Yea classic, blizzard implement a nice new feature and community fucks it up trying to get you to pay for an invite to a key 🤣 I've seen even 12 resi tip, I think it will get even worse when the dinar tokens are out as you need to time all 12s so there will be some gold to make there

[vocal jewel]

Any advice for CD management in M+? Feel like I haven't been able to break 3.2 Mil overall. I understand the order when everything is up but I'm never sure when to hold CDs vs sending them in between Avatars.

[zenith lodge]

you all know its reportable and they do get punished for doing it? (asking for money in exchange for resil key)

[lunar hornet]

anyone have a good WA pack?

[rough sluice]

no evoker player is sane mentally

[shadow ibex]

It would be a real mid row talent then

2 points for 10 in the middle of the tree is type crazy

2 points for 10 in the middle of the tree is type crazy

[slow saddle]

Send all m8

That shouls getnu above 3.2

[arctic iris]

You can find a ton of different ones on wago

[sly stone]

Why don't we play sudden death if we are playing executioners precision?

[swift crown]

As Colossus?

[sly stone]

yep

[swift crown]

EP is being dropped

Execute talents just kinda suck

[dim basalt]

Because exe just has super low prio

[swift crown]

You dont want to lean into it harder

[dim basalt]

Even with EP

[sly stone]

so why do we play ep?

[swift crown]

As I said

many people don't

[dim basalt]

We dont really

[minor gust]

you can play EP

[sly stone]

what should i swap it for :D? i mianly do m+

[minor gust]

it just more ST

[dim basalt]

You can drop EP for BB to lose 1.7% ST for like 1.3% aoe

something like that

[sly stone]

1 point in bloodborne?

[flat willow]

I'll tell you the truth

[minor gust]

arms talents 101 are just making the choice do you want more ST or AOE

[sly stone]

is BB == bloodborne?

[flat willow]

it's because almost all our tier 3 talents suck

[dim basalt]

yes

[sly stone]

I feel like dance of death could be good for keys under 12

[flat willow]

you see there's dance of death, fatality, juggernaut

all dookers, dance of death can be useful maybe, once in a while

but nobody wants to take a talent that will be useless 70% of the time

[dim basalt]

Oh and with EP you also drop finishing blows for either another point in BB, or a point in bloodsurge

[flat willow]

so people take bloodborne instead of EP

but the secret they don't tell you

is that bloodborne is shit too

https://tenor.com/view/big-brain-point-finger-at-forehead-forehead-tap-head-tap-tap-forehead-gif-18599618

[minor gust]

its all shit

[sly stone]

Looool

[urban iron]

A lot of classes suffering from that

Where their capstone talents are kinda poo

[minor gust]

just dont think to hard about it swap talents around prio what you wanna prio there is no overall this is the best talent set up in all scenarios

[sly stone]

is slayer still shit?

[dim basalt]

its okay-ish

Youre not giga griefing with it

[minor gust]

not better than colossus but not shit either

play it if you want

[tacit crystal]

bozo

what is your slarms page

actually if i see dn

imma geek

[minor gust]

it has DN

[tacit crystal]

can you change it and take a picture

[minor gust]

no DN good

why do I need SOA I already do good ST

[tacit crystal]

because i like soa

[minor gust]

can swap Blord to mass or BB

I just like Blord gameplay

[tacit crystal]

no jug

🫃

[minor gust]

juggle deez nuts

oh idk why I dont have OPP but should play with OPP

[tacit crystal]

why not play this?

[minor gust]

because blizz is forcing me to play with bleeds

[tacit crystal]

just drop it

[minor gust]

I cant wont let me un talent it

blizz is forcing me

gun to my head

[tacit crystal]

you are lying

[minor gust]

If only

[tacit crystal]

imma play this

[minor gust]

🫡

report back later

[dim basalt]

Spear

[shadow ibex]

Burn it all down

[flat willow]

you think you're tough, huh?

[tacit crystal]

here to comment

i would rather not play spear

I would rather do this

also not playing wb

felt kinda bad

but idk

i cranked a boss

[quaint otter]

balls

[tacit crystal]

bobzilla

do i play cs or wb

[minor gust]

wb

cs in keys is bad

[tacit crystal]

fuck spear fuck roar

[shadow ibex]

Man what is this

https://tenor.com/view/eww-meme-eww-gif-eww-brother-eww-eww-brother-gif-4303100356772739930

[minor gust]

[shadow ibex]

Remove sidearm while we're at it

And whatever it's a choice node with idek what it is crushing force barbaric training

[minor gust]

damn just hating on seismic reverb like that

shits actually real now that cleave trucks

[shadow ibex]

Fuck seismic reverb

Give me seismic toss

https://tenor.com/view/machop-primeape-giant-swing-seismic-toss-pokemon-gif-23083643

[minor gust]

[shadow ibex]

Cleave
Cleave
(Cleave)

[minor gust]

yeah remember when it was just ww and did nothing

I memba

[shadow ibex]

I remember having to tell people everyday why it was bad because why does ww have to hit 3 times and why that tribal knowledge still exists

Akshually it hits 3 times so 33 of 33% 🤓 ☝️

[quasi torrent]

reverb
.. richard reverb????

@halcyon breach RICHARD

[minor gust]

Richard you mean the hardest boss in the raid

[quasi torrent]

Richard radio

is rough

[halcyon breach]

I am in jail

[tacit crystal]

im having fun

[shadow ibex]

Boo that fight

Why do they do these intermissions

[nova marsh]

UWU

[tacit crystal]

@minor gust there is no way dn is better than soa

surely

[minor gust]

sir

its not that complicated

do you want more aoe or st

and I want more aoe

[tacit crystal]

i see opportunist

i press it

[quaint otter]

Overpowered...

[shadow ibex]

Fear the warrior that doesn't make you bleed

[shadow ibex]

[tacit crystal]

me when i opportunist weave

and i stall my bs

if i keep getting procs lol

prob not worth over getting mbg during cs

but

wtv

[dire hinge]

yeah APL has BS above overpower for AoE even if you have opportunist

[tacit crystal]

oh nah

wtf

[tacit crystal]

it feels kinda good to

opp ms cleave opp ms op cleave

and just perma chain having them

[shadow ibex]

Embrace feels

Already playing slayer

[tacit crystal]

gonna go back to colo

and if i get aids

you already know im back to slarms

one demolish away from a crashout

[shadow ibex]

Maybe it's a good thing colossus is bad st