arms

[dim basalt]

Because if you turn the argument around youd kinda hope that cooldowns have as much cd as possible because that allows them to be more powerful

[flat willow]

well there's the fact that it desynchs our cds, which is why 90% of specs that had cdr now just got their burst reduced in a flat manner, like unholy dark transformation. we also get punished way more than other classes for downtimes cuz of that

[icy mulch]

It's been the wild west with some classes allowed to be OP, while others are shit canned ASAP.

[flat willow]

if AM made CS a 30 sec flat cd it would be much healthier

which is exactly what wake of ashes is

[dim basalt]

With current numbers theres not much desync

CS effectively does have 30s cd

[flat willow]

there isn't?

what about avatar, demolish on single target, dragon roar

ravager

[dim basalt]

Avatar always lines with CS, at least for me

Demolish is also almost always up with cs

Ravager / bs is in a weird spot yes

[flat willow]

it sounds like you are playing a very different spec from the rest of us

[dim basalt]

And honestly roar is so irrelevant, insane mess of a talent

[minor gust]

roar isnt a mess its just weak from all the repeated nerfs

[flat willow]

yes, and if that's the goal

why not make cs a 30s cd

[arctic iris]

Yes, that is why Ashen Hallow got removed

Generally speaking, if a long CD is actually worth its long cooldown, then it gets nerfed. The main reason that you don't see that very often is because long CDs are usually not stronger by the right proportion

[dim basalt]

Fair point ig

But Id argue that if AM wasnt a thing at all right now, Arms would be piss boring

[arctic iris]

I think this is part of why 3m CDs are so rare these days, they don't want to make classes that are that explosive. Plus it's more fun to pop CDs often.

[sacred zodiac]

Why am i actively being punished for playing the game correctly?

[dim basalt]

Im down to have AM removed with an arms rework that brings actually interesting stuff

[sacred zodiac]

Every other cdr like effect has been changed to static cdr when applicable

[minor gust]

yeah as far as I know most other cdr is static

[icy mulch]

That's because the balance team thinks Warlock is the last class in the list.

[sacred zodiac]

Fire Mage isnt afaik but they are a melee class in robes they dont have to hardcast

[minor gust]

I dont think Dynamic cdr is bad tho if the spec only has one cd

[dim basalt]

I believe fire is the only other spec

[minor gust]

like fire mage

like if CS was our only cd its fine

err CS and BS

[dim basalt]

And to some extent ele, but thats just a minor cd

And not always played

[minor gust]

warrior is in a weird spot with AM because it doesnt affect things like TR and Ava or spear

then BS has another seperate cdr from slayer

making things even more cringe

[sacred zodiac]

You are still punished for correctly dealing with a mechanic then shrug

[dim basalt]

11.2 rework

[arctic iris]

Fire, outlaw, MM, enh, ele?

Probably more I don't know about

[minor gust]

yeah that part sucks but dealing with mechanics is always gonna punish your damage

[arctic iris]

MM was reworked very recently and has dynamic CDR rather than static, it's definitely not a design space they're avoiding

[dim basalt]

Not sure if outlaw really counts here tbh

Because their cdr is even more extreme than ours, making it almost static

[arctic iris]

I'll grant you that outlaw is (from what I'm told) in a bad place so maybe not a good example

[minor gust]

to be fair outlaw has so much cdr it affectively doesnt have cds

[sacred zodiac]

I have deleted those specs from my mental presence so you didnt actually own me

[arctic iris]

I don't think AM is a great design, but I don't think that blizzard is trying to avoid active CDR so that's not going to be a reason for them to change it

Arms has a lot of talents that are headscratchers though

Spiteful Serenity jumps out at me. I know that the idea is that you fuel a really big Test of Might, but ToM is a separate talent and Spiteful is basically useless without it, so both talents need to be valuable for Spiteful to be good

Dance of Death is also baffling

[minor gust]

Damce of Death is way to niche for how weak it is

[icy mulch]

Serenity is even worse.

[arctic iris]

Dance of Death would be fine as a throwaway filler node in Slayer

Rather than a capstone talent

[icy mulch]

I can't even remember what serenity does.

[minor gust]

nerfs your cds

[arctic iris]

Csmash and avatar last twice as long but are 40% weaker

Choice node with AM

[sacred zodiac]

Spiteful serenity is an insane Talent wdym

[icy mulch]

Just as insane as Odyn's Fury.

[arctic iris]

I feel like I'm about to read the most cooked take of the season

[icy mulch]

Or you miss sarcasm.

[arctic iris]

I was playing into the bit

[sacred zodiac]

What about the 20 Minute bossfight where the boss is 99.9% dr for the first 19 minutes 50 seconds and then u gotta burn the boss in 10 seconds or u die and u gotta play spiteful serenity Tom fatality pop

[minor gust]

https://tenor.com/view/me-atrapaste-es-cine-its-cinema-cinema-esto-es-cine-gif-17729711691959966457

[sacred zodiac]

Oh and the boss suddenly jumps from 100% HP to 25% as soon as the dps phase starts

[hollow plover]

thank you for being here spongie

[minor gust]

Blizz hire this guy to make this boss right now

[icy mulch]

I think we'd fall asleep before we finished that boss. Lol

[candid pecan]

+13 Priory, FOTM arcane

[minor gust]

you wanna see a real fotm jumpscare heres the overall for that 14 ML

[slow saddle]

hmm priory

i feel the anger when

mobs just refuse to be close to eachother

[minor gust]

both the dk and the ret pally already playing with the 1 button gameplay

[slow saddle]

or my fav when i send my BIG DIaCK cleave into a mob with defend up

Casting Wrecking throw on the shield on with reflect dmg will forever be a gamba im willing to take

[minor gust]

when your about to demolish and a footman goes

https://tenor.com/view/yugioh-trap-card-trap-triggered-gif-12909225702038116

[slow saddle]

i hate footmen

at least those archers .. just jump away

so we cant hit them either gg

also for thel ove of god can TC hit more than 5 with rend

[sleek terrace]

What is your rotation priority for trash and boss as slayer arms?

[candid pecan]

just press it once or twice

TC and then forget rend exists

[fresh spire]

👀

[agile igloo]

It is just me or does slayer arms apm feels like ret apm, on top of that procs light up the keyboard like enhance before the changes.

[tardy hare]

Would a juggernaut build for smaller dungeons be to cooked?

[strange perch]

Idk

Try

[quasi torrent]

@sacred zodiac bolas!!!

[hollow plover]

maybe during BL + in for the kill

[sacred zodiac]

Wtf

[agile igloo]

There are just so many procs, but I get it’s a priority rotation.

[strange perch]

@sacred zodiac @tacit crystal @boreal quartz 👋 👋

[hollow plover]

tf lol the only proc you wanna click asap in many cases is opportunist

sudden death procs are more controlled

dont wanna press those asap

[agile igloo]

Maybe I’m just overthinking it

[hollow plover]

i don't know what you thought you need to keep track of

[agile igloo]

It’s not that I was overwhelmed by keeping track of things. It’s that the APM is much higher between opportunist procs, sudden death, and exhilarating blows, it just gets kind of crazy, but I realize now that I was overwhelming myself trying to hit every single button when it’s much simpler and I’m supposed to be prioritizing cleave, opportunist and then MS, and only execute when the conditions are met (in aoe).

[weak rain]

They just need to buff roar a lot tbh

imagine we are not getting rework when dance of death, storm of swords, spiteful serenity talents exist

[strange perch]

@sacred zodiac

[shadow ibex]

This and the fact our resource bar is cosmetic.

That alone is so fuckin stupid

[olive nest]

Ngl I really enjoy not thinking about rage as much as previous iterations

I just want to mash buttons following the correct priority with ZERO waiting for auto attacks

[weak rain]

play furry? XD

[shadow ibex]

Yea play something else imo

A resource bar that is just there for show is a failure idc how you cut it

[olive nest]

No arms fantasy is appealing to me

Feels cool to be an arms warrior

[minor gust]

idk to me I want DF levels of rage gen but an actual way to spend it

[weak rain]

df was objectively better and way more fun

[minor gust]

give that same satisfying feeling that fury has

[weak rain]

idk how they screw this shit so hard

[olive nest]

Very odd to me that anyone wants to sit around waiting for auto attacks

[minor gust]

unironically bringing back Heroic strike woulda been a banger im sorry to say it

ik Blizz hates offgcd stuff

[weak rain]

nah they should buff bleeds, tom

[shadow ibex]

Bfa was the only time in modern wow since that was a thing

[weak rain]

Idk I presoanlly love flat profile arms has

[shadow ibex]

And even then it was bad play from slamming too much

Later we got rage refunds from lucid but we weren't starving In siege or anything

[agile igloo]

This

[minor gust]

SOS WW was great. Big rage dumps are satisfying

also brought back some classic feelings with WW being on cd and used in ST

[shadow ibex]

If it's df rage just remove rage at that point

[olive nest]

DF rage with focused rage

[minor gust]

if you have a way to spend it its fine

[olive nest]

Imagine

[weak rain]

the only thing that makes rage meaningful in some way

is tom

unironically

[shadow ibex]

I enjoyed the old style off being at 7 rage and knowing you got 2 autos before MS so I can slam after next auto and still have time to Gen for MS

That rage was fun for me

But that's bfa style

[olive nest]

So you just liked slower less spammy arms

[minor gust]

yeah I hate that shit I dont wanna rely on autos

[olive nest]

And that’s okay

We just prefer fast paced button mash

[weak rain]

imagine blizz is taking notes and next patch we will get rework where your autos give 5 rage(and the only source of rage) but MS hits for 100m baseline

[minor gust]

I rather have a fuck load of rage and use an offgcd spender to maintain it

[swift crown]

Focussed Rage

Bringing it back

[olive nest]

Imagine they used talent trees to have slower arms and faster arms be competitive with each other

[swift crown]

Tactician resetting CS

[weak rain]

I mean

[swift crown]

Deadly Calm

[weak rain]

colossus is slower arms

slayer is fater arms

faster*

[olive nest]

Is it really though?

[minor gust]

their both fast

[olive nest]

Colo mashes just as much

[weak rain]

but df tom is the best iteration anyway

[minor gust]

Arms hasnt been slow in years

[weak rain]

I said slower, not slow

[sacred zodiac]

you are in the worst opinion competition and this opinion gets uttered

[fresh spire]

Tom cringe

The day iftk saved us was the best day

[weak rain]

oh yes, current nobrainer in for the kill is clearly better

[olive nest]

I tend to agree ToM was horrible please perma remove that idea

[weak rain]

how about you can take both?

[sacred zodiac]

as opposed to tom which doesnt change your playstyle or feel at all and just flattens out your damage graph

[minor gust]

Blizz made all these changes to kill Tom instead of just removing it

https://tenor.com/view/me-atrapaste-es-cine-its-cinema-cinema-esto-es-cine-gif-17729711691959966457

[weak rain]

And I like flat damage profile of arms, for me arms should be uptime dependent flat methodical dps class

[shadow ibex]

It's always been flat

[weak rain]

not spikey

[shadow ibex]

That's arms

[fresh spire]

I love when Tom was bis and it made the range of player skill even higher because of stupid hidden tech instead of hitting buttons that glowed

Ignore pain dps button omg

[minor gust]

IP replaced slam it was based

[weak rain]

I was the first to write "cancelaura battlelord" in df and was ridiculed for it

[olive nest]

Make sure you get pi for the cs right before fatality pop also throw a hoof in there

[fresh spire]

Was incredibly cringe outside of the constant shields in a squishy spec

[weak rain]

even though it increased tom gains

[olive nest]

Ifykyk

[minor gust]

Cancelaura Blord to spend more rage tho

[olive nest]

[minor gust]

[sacred zodiac]

ip was at least good that it brought back some semblance of having to calculate if you can ms next gcd

[fresh spire]

Almost was a thing before it was changed

[weak rain]

no, ip not fueling tom was a good change

[minor gust]

[fresh spire]

Wahle even coded it on apl and it was a gain

Lucky enjoy blizzard emergency changed it

[olive nest]

Vomit

[weak rain]

literally played whole tier with that macro

or rather until it got changed

[fresh spire]

Suspect

Was during beta

[olive nest]

Please never make cancleaura meta

Ever

Ever

Such cringe behavior

[weak rain]

I mean, I doubt that will ever comeback

[shadow ibex]

When people say tom made dmg flat like where have you been? Sl eb procs was the definition of flat. If anything tom was the only time it was spikey because of our climb in tom execute in Eternal palace and nzoth tier

[weak rain]

however arms in dire need of qol changes, such as execute from sudden death counting for angermanagement(or tom) as 40 rage spent

[shadow ibex]

Tom was only time our dmg was actually spikey

Pre execute dmg in bfa was terrible

[weak rain]

arms was never bursty lmao

except for nyalotha 20% boss hp

fury was bursty however

[sacred zodiac]

pointing to an expansion literally 5 years ago is not the bazinga point you think it is

[olive nest]

SD would actually be a button you get excited to press if it acted as a 40rage execute towards AM

[shadow ibex]

And then 35 hit and you seated to overlap tom and CS but somehow it's flat

[weak rain]

Raz last phase tom cs Kreygasm

under bloodlust

[sacred zodiac]

get it once on prog and never hit it on any reclears ever again

holy hell

[shadow ibex]

Relax lil discord demon we are just talking about dmg profiles

[sacred zodiac]

damage profile has certainly improved since tom is dead

[weak rain]

no

hard disagree

current dmg profile is the most flat boring shit ever

feels like fury

nobrainer 1 2 3 press execute on WA

[swift crown]

Arms furry spec

[agile igloo]

Could just delete arms, since ret is better in every way.

[thick kelp]

could just delete fury since outlaw is better in every way

[tacit crystal]

true

[flat willow]

Now that I agree on

[agile igloo]

Makes sense keep it going

[flat willow]

Tbh just let rogue tmog plate

[thick kelp]

Theres a reason fury has smf in their talents

[flat willow]

And I can get out of this jail

[thick kelp]

(its to larp outlaw)

[tacit crystal]

^^^

[thick kelp]

its actually better cuz then u are more like outlaw

but archi is hiding it

so we dont lose our identity

[shadow ibex]

I'm surprised it's not just passive

Still a talent

[weak rain]

imagine warriors are not getting rework when dance of death, storm of swords, spiteful serenity, smf exist

[flat willow]

Let rogues use warrior tmog and replace the silly outlaw gun animations with off hand strikes

[sacred zodiac]

peak talents

[shadow ibex]

Or just xmog

[agile igloo]

And onslaught

[flat willow]

And I'm a rogue main

Ahhh spiteful serenity

[agile igloo]

The gun animations are peak wdym!

[sacred zodiac]

spiteful serenity sweep is coming

[weak rain]

and uh dk should get a glyph that turns their ghoul into little remornia(and delete arms)

[agile igloo]

Just wait for the gunner class

[flat willow]

The gun animation would be okay if you always wielded your gun off hand

As it is

You make your off hand sword vanish

[shadow ibex]

Our choice nodes are cursed

[flat willow]

Pull a gun out of your ass to shoot once

[shadow ibex]

Except sweep node ig

[flat willow]

Then magic the gun away to get your Sword back

Its like survival hunter becoming melee

And what do you get with becoming melee ? 50 different grenades

[agile igloo]

Watch out, surv becoming tank soon.

[flat willow]

Because when you want to throw bombs 2 feet away from you

[weak rain]

imagine they rework fury into being ranged dps(TAZ DINGO)

[flat willow]

That's what I've been saying

Rework fury into dual wielding shotgun spec

And you just BLAST

[agile igloo]

Punisher in the making

[flat willow]

Try to make them target cap these guns

[agile igloo]

Idk I think with all this talk about target capping, it’ll be removed or increased soon.

[flat willow]

Yeah its only been

When was bfa

[sacred zodiac]

this convo is years old

[agile igloo]

Yeah, I know that, but I feel like it’s been ramped up recently

[flat willow]

Only ten years to remove target cap

[weak rain]

fuck i miss bfa s4 m+ dw fuel

dmg profile was so funny

[agile igloo]

Then again, I don’t spend a lot of time in here so it might’ve just been a conversation since it was removed in shadowland or whenever it was removed

When was cap reduced

[olive nest]

We have wanted more than 5 on fury forever

And passive sweep would go hard

[flat willow]

Legion arms

What if they removed everything after legion

And we just got legion arms forever

[agile igloo]

I started wow in nyalotha so I don’t know how Legion was. Maybe I’ll play the remix to check it out.

[flat willow]

Remix wont have the gameplay of legion

[olive nest]

Idm them cookin periodically they just need to re cook if it turns out bad

[agile igloo]

Dam

Oh well

[olive nest]

Legion classic surely

[young perch]

Guys is slayer now playable in m+?

[flat willow]

But I wonder what they'll do with the artifact weapon nodes

Depends on your definition of the word

[thick kelp]

yes

[hexed snow]

30% bladestorm DMG did that much huh

[flat willow]

Its worse than Colossus but you can time+15s with it

[thick kelp]

no

[hexed snow]

Or is it reap the storm that makes it back

[flat willow]

But you could already do that

[hexed snow]

[thick kelp]

neither

but

its probably better in

dfc and top

[flat willow]

Reap deals nice damage

[hexed snow]

Mmmm

[thick kelp]

than colossus

[flat willow]

Bladestorm still meh

[shadow ibex]

Idc if tom is good or bad I just want change

Tired of same talent set up since df s1

[dim basalt]

Let them throw SKS at you

[weak rain]

s2 df sks was fun

[shadow ibex]

I wish opportunist was in spec tree

[minor gust]

I wish opportunist was deleted

[strange perch]

i wish there were more things like opportunist

[minor gust]

[shadow ibex]

It's fantastic talent for what talents should be

Opt into playstyle

[minor gust]

its just a dumb issue for me I hate that it makes OP prio over MS

im to dumb to rewire brain

[olive nest]

You don’t like op and sd randomly taking prio based on a proc

Sd always taking prio good I think

Op though, probably best as a filler/empower next

Proc making it take prio is goofy

[shadow ibex]

I think it's perfect in spec tree

Can opt in or out

[minor gust]

well OPP is a choice node you can opt out of it in hero tree aswell

just need to make FF better

[shadow ibex]

Not for colossus

[minor gust]

I wonder if OPP would still prio over MS if it was on colossus

[shadow ibex]

That's just tuning right

[minor gust]

its always just tuning at the end of the day

[dim basalt]

Probably yes with current set

[shadow ibex]

Just saying in theory it should be proc you react insta too

Even the name opportunist

[minor gust]

yeah

[shadow ibex]

Should always be highest prio imo otherwise you fucked the point of it

[minor gust]

nah I agree

[shadow ibex]

Should be a capstone

Since it's a playstyle change

[minor gust]

big warrior changes planned for 11.2 surely

[weak rain]

void patch, so we get shadowcleave

and warbreaker with tentacles like in leagion

[minor gust]

bring back warbreaker doing shadow damage and OF doing fire

[quasi torrent]

u fucked up the numbers

u meant to type 21.1

[weak rain]

no, he meant 112.0

[minor gust]

so true king

[quasi torrent]

moved the decimal holy

[olive nest]

Warrior is totally on the back burner

We’ll be lucky to see new talents in 11.2

Full rework!? Big dreaming

[shadow ibex]

I'll take jug death

All I want from final tier

Then we can start rebuild

[minor gust]

yeah if they are gonna do bare minimum for warrior as usual please just let it be jugg death or colossus becomes the far superiour raid spec

[tacit crystal]

bring back cm on execute

or at least every 2 executes

[minor gust]

no

I want Blord colossus

[olive nest]

Imagine being locked into demolish when a tornado is on its way back to its spawn position

[minor gust]

press defensive and eat it like a chad

[shadow ibex]

Play around this root and deal the same or less damage than everyone else

[olive nest]

OAB is such a cool fight but melee doing absolutely piss damage compared to the ranged is so beans

Imagine how complicated it’d be if those 3 adds could stack though

The coins drop on top of each other

[minor gust]

atleast reel nerf basically made them whatever can now just vibe and just hit boss the whole time

[olive nest]

True I still have to leap to the ranged coin though 💀

[minor gust]

[unreal mountain]

some one got Oppurtunist WA for me?

when it procs

[halcyon breach]

#1237307732705415228 message Try the one listed here

[sleek terrace]

How can I sim dungeon trash damage?

[lunar remnant]

Fk no one else wants to play warrior in my guild next season so I’m locked in for S3 I’m basically the shout bot at this point 🥲

[unreal mountain]

ty

[icy mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/willie-nelson-light-up-cigarette-smoke-gif-16852197

[minor gust]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-gif-4933716246481518559

[tacit crystal]

just dont play warrior

[dim basalt]

holy fuck this oab nerf is insane

[slow saddle]

Warrior in raid is quite good though

M+ is for alts😅

[lunar remnant]

true I went full arms this season so I could stay somewhat relevant in m+ but looks like fury is better suited for raid

[slow saddle]

Play both?

[icy mulch]

I play all three specs. Still annoying in M+.

[olive nest]

Do we care about this titan disc belt?

Or is that delve player loot

[slow saddle]

Same

Col is good

If annoying at times

Slayer is more st, but less aoe

[minor gust]

No you don't understand I can't play both don't you know fury is completely and utterly unplayable if I have slightly more Crit and slightly less mastery

[slow saddle]

True

Having sev rings is imp

[weak rain]

reverse works badly though

fury main going arms with 0% crit

sucks bowls

[minor gust]

If only there was three items slots that are over budgeted for secondary stats that could solve this problem instantly

[weak rain]

tru, also jastor helps

[minor gust]

But yeah just replace rings and necks which aren't hard to farm and your more than capable to swap anytime you want

[rough sluice]

finally timed a 12, took 2 weeks of trying

[pearl jasper]

So do the BS changes make it worth to press BS on CD in ST?

[olive nest]

Gz 👑

[icy mulch]

[olive nest]

Rings and neck being so stat heavy is such good qol for multi speccing

Can run dusk thread too makes swapping even easier

@shadow ibex

Bro idk if you seen last night but look at this!

Lmao

Ope you seen

Guess I’m too geeked about it still

[rough sluice]

take 2 weeks to time a 12, do 2 back to back timed

the duality of pugging m+

[slender ember]

Looking to get into m+ as arms warr, anyone mind explaining best rotation and opener for me? 🙂

[slim iron]

Is there a secret rotation better then what's on wowhead?

[slender ember]

idk is there

[slim iron]

Idk

Maybe someone smarter than us will know

[nova marsh]

Yes it's the one button rota

[rare kite]

Yes, only you do not know about it

[slow saddle]

My god priory 13 is my bane

[slim iron]

Sir please share the secret rotation @slender ember wants to know

[candid pecan]

5% auras buff both specs

then another 3% aura both specs 12 weeks in

and maybe fury capped on 8 targets

[rare kite]

ToM no OP build. Ms>slam>rend(never touch op)

[nova marsh]

Na that'd be super omega busted

-blizzard probally

[slim iron]

@slender ember you're welcome mutou put rotation to use

[slow saddle]

Heck nerfed of and roar to 5

[nova marsh]

Guys they probably think 5 is too good for fury

And will move them to 3

could you imagine lmao

[slow saddle]

2 like sweepib

[nova marsh]

KEK

Even their cds!

[slow saddle]

🤣

[nova marsh]

Fury is now unviable lmao

[dreamy egret]

is gilded becoming uncapped tuesday ?

[rough sluice]

all crests are

[dreamy egret]

sweet

[wicked aurora]

I mean there's a world where that's actually not even that bad

if fury did like 3m single target and meat cleaver bumped the damage of your abilities that were cleaved up to 100% then being capped to 3 targets wouldn't be all that terrible lol

[olive nest]

I’m fine with 3-5 cap as long as we do the most damage in that bracket

Except we don’t

[wicked aurora]

real

[candid pecan]

btw if they do uncap fury..use all cds and crit BT on 20 targets, thats CSHB on 20 targets, fury = immortal?

is that why they're not uncapping it?

[wicked aurora]

no lol

[candid pecan]

[hollow plover]

@shadow ibex hows ur mugzee prog?

[teal fossil]

we already do this with fueled by violence

and that shit is ass

[shadow ibex]

Dies this week

[hollow plover]

we ended raidnight not killing it today

[dim basalt]

We didnt kill oab either

11% within 30 minutes

then only shit pulls

xd

[hollow plover]

Sadge

[olive nest]

That was my team too last night

7% pull and then goofy wipes

We kill tonight though surely

2:45 of nothing but bandit

[hollow plover]

we had to bring in someone who is 300 or so gilded crests behind

and raidlead wasnt here

we were on our own

[tacit crystal]

oh nah

[outer holly]

idk why but it's such a consistent pattern in raiding, consecutive kill range pulls, then an hour of absolute shenanigans

[hollow plover]

cuz people get hyped

they lose focus

happens all the time

[eager sigil]

oab also easy to think you are way ahead of your actual prog

we had a 15% pull then needed another 2 night to actually get in kill range

[tacit crystal]

also taking a break during raid

worst prog move ever

[eager sigil]

but what are you gonna do?

not let people go piss?

[outer holly]

its like none of you wear gaming underwear

[olive nest]

People see a single digit wipe and then assume they can be lazy for kill pull

Happens everywhere every time

[tacit crystal]

yeap

the amount of focus lost during break

is so disturbing

[olive nest]

I’m personally a fan of no designated break just get up and piss between pulls with a notice we can discuss for 60-90 seconds

Instead of a 10 minute reset and everyone comes back brain half off

[tacit crystal]

yeah

but dont think that works for everyones circumstances

so gg

minus prog nights

[eager sigil]

doesnt work in eu

[olive nest]

It doesn’t I recognize that

[eager sigil]

half the team smokes

[olive nest]

Some people have personal reasons for needing a longer break whatever it may be

[tacit crystal]

its so aids losing prog to it though

[olive nest]

Yeah specially on a 6 hours a week team

Start 10 minutes late

Take 10 minute break

Last half is regression often

Not my team specifically I just mean in general

Think that’s common among the non HoF CE guilds

[wintry arch]

It’s especially bad with split time zones

After break all the east coasters have one foot in bed

[kind thunder]

just using overpower when opportunist procs and using slam to proc it

nothing else

and then execute phase u only execute and wait for autoattacks to generate rage

[gritty sparrow]

Hey guys, question. According to the wowhead rotation guide and everything else I’ve read, during execute phase you’re supposed to use overpower when you get an opportunist proc over pressing execute, but pretty much every top log I’ve looked at lets opportunist sit for several seconds while they spam execute/mortal strike with 2 stacks, anyone know why? Are you actually supposed to execute/mortal strike till you’re out of rage and not care about opportunist procs in execute?

[olive nest]

You execute until 2x EP and you can opportunist until 2x MP before MS

If you proc opportunist you consume it before doing anything else in execute

Unless you already have 2X MP on your next Ms cast

No matter what you should always have 2X EP on MS and sometimes depending on opportunist procs you will also have 1X MP or 2X

[gritty sparrow]

Yeah of course. Maybe I didn’t phrase my question right. If we look at the top mythic mug zee log https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/mhR2gC1NK7atLfqb?fight=30&type=casts&source=93&view=timeline
at the 4:35 time, they get an opportunist proc, but they continue to just press execute and mortal strike with 2xEP ignoring the opportunist proc until 4:49 when from what I can tell, they’re out of rage

[tacit crystal]

just not follwoing it

[gritty sparrow]

I’d count it as a one off mistake and distracted if it weren’t for the fact they do it several times and several other logs I see do the same exact thing

[tacit crystal]

yeah if this happens

its a rank 1

like

missing procs will not matter that much

vs full jug

[gritty sparrow]

Yeah sure, that’s why I looked at the other logs as well

[tacit crystal]

its probably just not caring about it

but it is correct

[gritty sparrow]

Alright cool, was just double checking cause it seemed strangely consistent that they’d just ignore opportunist procs in execute sometimes

[gusty eagle]

is it recommended to macro avatar with another one of our cds? like ravager or roar?

[somber geyser]

no cuz ideally u put those up before u enter your avatar/colossal CD windows

like you want roar and ravager to be ticking while you are in avatar, but you don't want one of your GCDs within avatar to be roar/ravager cuz you would much rather press MS or OP

[gusty eagle]

Aight

and i should hold ravager to allign with everything else yeah? not use on cd

[tacit crystal]

only with cs exception would be be high collats

[olive nest]

I wonder if it’s true that a 15stack execute does more than an opportunist overpower

That might be the case and then you’re just seeing them ignore the proc until they need to not rage starve

[shadow ibex]

Minor optimization really

At this point im p much getting 15 asap if not going into exe with them

Ff angle surely

[rough sluice]

god

[spring rune]

With Brutal finish the next MS after BS does more dmg, is it worth hitting an overpower or two to pump it up more before you hit MS?

[tardy hare]

15 ML not sure if slayer is the play died once

[somber geyser]

that looks like workshop 🧐

[tardy hare]

oh

workshop

ya you're right

[icy mulch]

Yeah, I don't think it's gonna replace Col. A lot of the same annoyances are there.

It trades Demolish getting screwed, for Collateral getting whack line ups.

[tardy hare]

the single target wasnt bad though

1.8-1.9 every boss regardless of cds going in and 3 mil on 1st boss

[calm hollow]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/1wdPjgz43692vK7D?fight=62&type=auras&source=341&ability=383290

i had a similar pull today

ofc we wiped it

[shadow ibex]

Fury envy

Never worry about jug

[cold hatch]

Question i'm setting the top arms use Wrecking throw 2 times on mugzee whats the reason?

[sudden fox]

Being on track for 95+ all night then ripping a blue on bandit kill

Kms

[shadow ibex]

If you are out of melee range it's better than a heroic throw

If any cast goes off in jail

It's not gonna make or break a parse tho

[finite wasp]

does anyone here know if fatal mark gets buffed by avatar cs etc?

[shadow ibex]

it does

[random ibex]

thoughts on saving bladestorm for first set of booty adds on mythic OAB?

[tacit crystal]

doubt its meaningfull

since others will be saving cds for them anyways

should just send on cd for boss damage

[random ibex]

true

avatar/roar usually always lines up

so thats all the dam I should be commiting

[covert drift]

brothers, i have something to confess

i've leveled a ret paladin and feeling way more fun with it...

here's hoping war can get a rework to improve it's design

until then, for the light

[bright scarab]

When playing Colossus for the M+ spec, what's the reason for being rage starved? Not enough overpower use?

[prime bramble]

some rookery's go better than others kekw

[shadow ibex]

dont use exe

[bright scarab]

What about on Execute phase then? Just use MS?

[nova marsh]

It's a myth

Colo cares more about stacks

[shadow ibex]

MS and OP

exe if u cant use those

mug 14%

[bright scarab]

What stacks?

[nova marsh]

Demolish stacks

Colossal might and the cdr from it is better then executes damagr

[smoky kayak]

long reset streaks and Execute can rage starve you

• if you have EP, aim for 1 stack before MS; only ever go for 2 stacks if you're near rage cap
• if you don't have EP, only use it over Slam and only if it won't starve you

[willow grove]

I don’t even have slam on my bar anymore.. I assume I should??

Oops.

[bright scarab]

Thanks

[sleek crow]

Wtf do you do when MS and OP are on CD?

[willow grove]

I’ve just been using Rend.

Or use Cleave or something.

I’m extremely new to Warrior, so.. figuring it all out. Massive DPS loss??

[serene hollow]

like 2% if you are using rend instead

loss

just comparing slam and rend on use damage on some sprocket logs

[balmy kindle]

Just slap slam on mouse button

[lime ruin]

sweeping strikes is falling off when I use it before pull on bandit, any way to prevent that?>

[tacit crystal]

dont press on pull?

do you mean before the 1st add set

[stable fiber]

sleep token dropped

new songs to hit bosses hard too

[lime ruin]

When I watch videos they use sweeping early before pull so it's up for pull and first adds

[stable fiber]

i typically run long sweep and use it 10 seconds prepull

(drop 1x bloodborne and pick up imp sweep)

[lime ruin]

I mean I use it 10 second prepull

then it falls off on pull

dissapears

[stable fiber]

yeah my guy

thats why i said improved sweeping strikes @lime ruin

its better for the fight in general

it will not fall off on pull

[lime ruin]

My guy

I mean it dissapears

it goes away

[shadow ibex]

they made more buffs clear on pull

[tacit crystal]

you''ll get it up before the next set?

dont understand why its a problem

[floral girder]

Was there a post about sweeping strikes being purged on pull?

it wasn't doing that on tuesday

[verbal marten]

That was fixed weeks ago

[wintry arch]

When did they do this?

I noticed between last night and tonight that it was clearing

[floral girder]

well apparently not since tuesday all my logs have sweep and tonight they didn't

for pre-using on oab

[wintry arch]

Yeah i was wondering all night why my opener was way way lower

Well shoot

I guess sweeping as the very first global in oab and go from there

[tacit crystal]

cant bc you wont get up for adds

[wintry arch]

I’ll resync later on with adds

Second set is always the harder one anyways

[novel belfry]

Hey i have a luxury problem where i have to many mythic track items and kinda messed up my embelishments, is it possible to use 2 elemental focus lense embelishments without gutting myself?

[dim basalt]

Checked my logs from last night and it worked fine

[sacred zodiac]

Theyre ok just sim it if you want a real answer

[novel belfry]

Ty i would sim anyway, just wanted a quick response if its a complete self gut or potentially not the worst

[sacred zodiac]

Some ppl crafted neck as their 2nd item with focusing lens and for them it was the correct choice

[novel belfry]

ah i see as in focusing lense on neck and duskline on any other slot for example?

[quaint otter]

Just do anything u want embellies are minor this days

[sacred zodiac]

Some ppl did this yes but you should not be blindly copying that

[quasi torrent]

i would do this

[mystic obsidian]

is it better to spam cleave when it resets or should i always OP before it for the extra damage?

[dim basalt]

spam cleave

[hard zinc]

has anyone here been able to sim mass destruction on the lock n stalk trinket? it wont change from precision even if i /simc my character with the trinket set to destruction

wondering if lock n stalk 645 ilvl is better than mechano core 658 in m+ and i want to see actual sim results

[astral yarrow]

it will dynamically switch within its cooldown

[vital summit]

Hey a question: with the +6 ilvl to everything next week, will we replace cyrce's circlet or will it remain BIS?

[lavish jewel]

I guess Archimtiros will make an announce when he will have more data. I have the feeling he always does.

[mild sierra]

Myth rings already beat it

[lavish jewel]

How much difference do you think secondary statistics make as an arms war? I see some with a lot of crit, some with a very few of it. I'm a bit confused.

[naive sage]

[balmy kindle]

hmm well slayer kinda cooking at least on low keys

[gray herald]

sim question

for arms i drop it with a 678 for fury i dont drop it even with 684

but will depend on ur stats

[rare kite]

Less than you think

[lavish jewel]

better answer, thank you.

[hollow plover]

how did ur other good dps player have zero dam

wtf

[balmy kindle]

OCe 10s

dm

[gray herald]

pug moment

[balmy kindle]

its either some cracked guy or a bunch of weed heads

[hollow plover]

tf

[balmy kindle]

fr its the OCE experience

[lost lily]

A lot of the low crit arms is just fury raiders swapping for a key right?

[balmy kindle]

kinda

[hollow plover]

yea p much

but having low crit isnt even that big of a deal. player skill is

way more significant

[gray herald]

might also just be jastor+circlet gamers

[hollow plover]

I played a priory 14 on my 660 warrior alt with zero crit gear along with my friend who mains arms but is honestly kinda shit at it and I stomped the fk out of him on the dps meter

[gray herald]

that's like -7000-12000 crit on the sheet but oftentimes more dps

[balmy kindle]

yeah cause no crit on demolish

also less crits = less demolish to an extent

[hollow plover]

yea

[balmy kindle]

also critting collat cleave is

[hollow plover]

but it's genuinely not that big of a deal since mastery does a lot as well

you get lower highs but higher lows

ykwim?

[balmy kindle]

i think the problem is mastery is kinda eh

[hollow plover]

its not tho

arms can function just fine if you have mast haste

its just not as good

[balmy kindle]

yeah i had points where i had like 25% ish crit and it felt kinda flat

[shadow ibex]

0 haste dream

[hollow plover]

are u killing mug on monday?

prediction?

[shadow ibex]

Yes

[hollow plover]

Hmm

I hope you do

and i hope i do too

hmmNod

[shadow ibex]

Just gotta get final bombs and last jails

For a few pulls I kept forgetting to be next to fire before final ice and that made it cimplete dif

That part is hectic with soaks

[hollow plover]

by final ice u mean with the 2 million mines already spawned?

[shadow ibex]

Ye

[hollow plover]

Idk boss should be next to fire anyway

we got there 3 times i think

First time we got there everyone just started yapping so i had to tell them to stfu so we can practice

[shadow ibex]

It is but I think ppl forget after doing soaks and just hectic

[cloud orbit]

Questions about Mugzee: Can we jump out of the cage?

[hollow plover]

yea but its a tight timing so not worth trying to do every time

you have to jump out last second

before the walls spawn

but after the prison soak dmg went through

[shadow ibex]

I did but after doing a bomb sliding I didn't again

[cloud orbit]

Any chance you have a video? 🙂

To undestand the timing

[hollow plover]

Sure don't lol

idk look up warrior pov's on mugzee maybe

[cloud orbit]

Checked a few, but very rare someone is in the cage and none of them did jump

[astral yarrow]

You just velf racial out or have dragons ferry you cause timing is lenient for them

[hollow plover]

idk why do u feel the need to jump out tho

[cloud orbit]

RL request, since the first 2 sets don't need extra dps inside and we do zerg tacktics

[hollow plover]

your RL is an idiot

Some specs can get out

those should try and get out then

but asking an inconsistent spec to do it by himself?

no.

hes an idiot

i personally solo prison with monk heal who transcends out after 1st kick

thats all u need

[astral yarrow]

Farm those jugg stacks and make sure to call out on voice when you dont get the SD proc to extend it

[hollow plover]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/148898720803586048/1114308309143519383/IMG_3926.gif

[astral yarrow]

3 pulls in a row im 2.8m going into lust

kill pull i drop 15 stack jugg twice

last one at 36% 🙂

[hollow plover]

YEP

[shadow ibex]

Jug can fuck off

Need it gone in .2 plz plz

[olive nest]

They double down and make it 30 stacks with longer duration

[hollow plover]

longer duration? im down i dont mind that

if a good play gets to keep up jugg while a bad player doesnt

then im down

thumb

[olive nest]

Yeah I love doing no damage until jugg is fully stacked

[hollow plover]

shrug

thats just arms kinda

"its more thematic" said someone somewhere

[olive nest]

We’re below Aug on OAB

Let’s make jug stack higher

[rare kite]

Yeah and it's trash

[olive nest]

[hollow plover]

absolute_cinema

[slow saddle]

Delete jugger

Fr playing m+ slayer feels better without it

[balmy kindle]

Fuck juggernaut, rather play Colo on raid prog

[hollow plover]

colo plays jugg

[olive nest]

Damn monk brought his shaman in for re clear bosses after OAB last night

Rip trying to fix rekill log

[balmy kindle]

Theres a battelord alternative, Sims marginally higher too

[hollow plover]

nono blord AND jugg

[balmy kindle]

Wait doesn't that mean ravager is gone

[hollow plover]

you know this oab colossus tree?

swap fatality to blord

fk deft or something

[balmy kindle]

Oo lol I am regarded

[slow saddle]

By whom

[balmy kindle]

Thought you cant put points on blodrd without deft

[hollow plover]

oh yea

ur right

then idk ig u do drop jugg

[balmy kindle]

haha yeah cant take both unfort

would had done it if i could

still fucking hate jugg though, makes slayer so ass to play

[empty pike]

Guys, let's play theorycrafter?

[shadow ibex]

Would be nice to kill jug

[empty pike]

Next week, upgrades will be available for all equipment. First, which items will we prioritize to upgrade first?

[novel belfry]

weapon trinkets

[empty pike]

and another thing, regarding the embellishments, should those who don't have the best in slot prioritize the 2h weapon with ascedance?

[hollow plover]

weapon, then just sim

sim will tell you to upgrade weapon immediately anyway

but regardless - sim it

thumb

Usual candidates are high primary stat pieces like chest piece and good trinkets after finishing weapon

[empty pike]

Hi my dear friend, that's why I started "playing theorycrafter". Because it's not possible to simulate yet and I would like to have a basis of what to do.

[hollow plover]

it's already possible to sim it, its just a small pain in the ass

cuz u have to add each item individually

my plan, personally, is to grab best-in-slots mythic from dinars, then upgrade that shit to the max, along with my crafted weapon (cuz im doing gally prog soon)

after that is done, i will run a sim of what to upgrade next

I assume it will tell me to upgrade my house of cards and eye of kezan

but yeah simming next week is the answer for sure for sure

[empty pike]

If I had already killed the bandit, it would be easier to decide because I would just have to get the best in slot with the dinar. But we are in his prog and what seems safer to me is to upgrade all the items that give a lot of primary stats and actually craft the weapon with ascension.

[eager sigil]

so what weapon do you have now?

crafted?

then yea upgrade that first

if you have a mythic weapon you can just upgrade that

[empty pike]

I have two 678s and a crafted 675

[novel belfry]

why would the fact that its a crafted weapon make a difference? even when its not crafted u want to pump it up

[eager sigil]

because he is asking about ascension

one of you 678 weapons is probably better than crafted weapon

if you do 2x dawnthread

[empty pike]

It's not the fact that it's crafted, but the fact that it doesn't have embellishment.

[novel belfry]

btw would you say 2 elemental focus if you screwed up crafts is possible too?

[eager sigil]

for singletarget its probably not too bad

but you should have enough sparks to fix that by now

[white storm]

what do you guys think about 1/2 BB instead of EP for m+. I am super annoyed from execute

[minor gust]

yes you can drop EP if you want

[rare kite]

i go 2/2 bb in m+

[minor gust]

assuming you are talking about a colossus M+ build you can drop EP and treat exe as a slam replacement

[balmy kindle]

think hardly anyone runs EP in m+

[dim basalt]

Col should be dead on that fight now

[hollow plover]

yuh

[jolly frost]

silly question friends how much mast should i aim for?

[minor gust]

indeed a silly question

[dim basalt]

we dont aim, we sim

[kindred girder]

the new slayer m+ build feels really good to play

that's all

[teal fossil]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/933386399279878154/991343673419763753/caption.gif

[jolly frost]

okay good

[minor gust]

speak for yourself I aim when I goto the bathroom

[dim basalt]

aim at the window?

[minor gust]

wall behind the toliet usually

[dim basalt]

fellow yellow stains enjoyer

[minor gust]

builds character

[tacit crystal]

@gray herald ty for helping the person

[wintry arch]

Why is this?

[gray herald]

🫡

[dim basalt]

adds have no hp after nerfs

[wintry arch]

Ok gotcha

I’m just enjoying colossus so much more

And it’s def back to slayer jail for mug

[dim basalt]

It was slayer jail for mug anyway

Going col on that fight is giga grief

[tacit crystal]

(i cba writing shit for fury)

[minor gust]

press rampage

[wintry arch]

Yeah I just wanna use colo while it’s not huge grief

[minor gust]

if you were already proggin OAB just stick with it if you want too

take the slayer break

even tho realistically you should just play slayer but that shit sucks asssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss

[wintry arch]

Yeah I don’t like bladestorm or jugg

And oab is almost dead

[tacit crystal]

do i even swap to arms for gally

like swordish will play fury

the other people in my raid just love to pad

whats the point

[wintry arch]

Gally you can probs play whatever you want

[smoky kayak]

add dam check is really not high

[tacit crystal]

just 0 point if people will pad imo

and im not solo war

[smoky kayak]

so yeah, if you already have some big multitarget, you probably don't need to worry about it

[gray herald]

4fun mythic endboss

[olive nest]

Just have two havoc dhs on the roster then you don’t have to worry about doing any add damage

[smoky kayak]

I actually think Gally is a pretty fun fight

more fun than Mugz for sure

[minor gust]

proggin mugz rn

its not fun

can confirm

[tacit crystal]

oab

i dont get to play the game until the hunters learn the fight

[minor gust]

only thing that sucks about OAB is fire thats it but they just got nerfed

so who cares

[tacit crystal]

somehow we need 2 hunters to do coins

why can people in other guilds do it with 1

[olive nest]

Should only be one

[minor gust]

you only need 1

[tacit crystal]

[olive nest]

Off tank backs up the poorly baited coins

[hoary olive]

Saw a Fury with Odyn's fury for add damage on Gallywix.
It was Heroic though, so the padding competition is quite high, and he did end up with highest overalls.
Personally I am having a lot of fun with Arms though.

[mild dagger]

Where are you non-sweats finishing with overall dps in 10s? For the life of me I cant keep up with my ret buddy

Whatever I get hes just that much higher

[minor gust]

A ret is gonna do more than you especially in a 10

Just how it is right now

[mild dagger]

Actually good to hear. I am at or aroun 3 mil overall, but he avgs like 3.5

[minor gust]

Arms wants things to live a lil longer for it to keep up with a ret

[shadow ibex]

Remove bleeds

[glass sphinx]

can you not use sweeping pre pull now ?

[minor gust]

You can

[swift crown]

Devokers

[wintry arch]

Cannot

[minor gust]

I was doing it all tuesday you very much can

[wintry arch]

i was doing it all wednesday

you very much cannot

i literally just posted a screenshot

something changed between my wednesday and thursday raid

[minor gust]

that is insanely weird lemme go try it

[smoky kayak]

are you referring to raid combat here, because Frozen may be thinking about M+

[wintry arch]

oh

i am talking about raid

[minor gust]

no im thinkin about raid

[smoky kayak]

alright then, carry on

[minor gust]

https://tenor.com/view/side-eye-dog-suspicious-look-suspicious-doubt-dog-doubt-gif-23680990

[minor gust]

When did they do it Archi when did they break it!

it was working fine on tuesday

[minor gust]

indeed you cannot for some reason

[smoky kayak]

idk I don't typically pre-pull with Sweep

[minor gust]

I was doing it for OAB

[smoky kayak]

you can press it during charge

[minor gust]

it was more for if you press it at 7 on the pull timer it will be ready again for when boss moves to an add

[smoky kayak]

spec Blademaster's!

[minor gust]

cant have anything nice as the brown class

[smoky kayak]

now you're learning!

[minor gust]

well im on mugzee jail now so whatever doesnt matter to me anymore

[dire hinge]

mugzees nuts

(good luck friend)

[tacit crystal]

#fury message

3 weeks ago in a 10

the player is a mega outlier though

[rare kite]

i did 3.8 earlier in a rookery

[tacit crystal]

lost to gajeel

classic

[shut fable]

guys could i ask a slayer buyld for m+?

[shut fable]

it is under colossus?

do you know which spec is using critcake in key?

[thick kelp]

colossus

[fresh spire]

7

[strange perch]

7

[tacit crystal]

7

[scenic sequoia]

7

[minor gust]

[rare kite]

he played slayer fury earlier. clearly better than arms now @daring heron

[shut fable]

do you have the talents?

[minor gust]

[rain cipher]

Is it? 👀

[rare kite]

no lol

he did play it tho

[tardy hare]

15 rookery 1 death slayer

[minor gust]

[teal fossil]

Remember to count 5% from the other two dudes

[flat willow]

And the tank !

We're in shape

[shadow ibex]

Slayer keys

https://tenor.com/view/community-dean-jesus-virtual-gif-4806344

[hollow plover]

how was ur last boss dmg

[tardy hare]

3.1 hunter messed up lust so we didn’t have it. Did a 16 TOP ill post when i get back home

[stoic siren]

NGL slayer spnning is very fun lol

wonder how much more of a buff it would take for it to match colossus

[tardy hare]

He also didn’t do the double diffuser lust pull. He pulled them by themselves

[muted atlas]

How much harder is Arms over Fury?

[bright scarab]

It’s more RNG not as predictable like Fury

[muted atlas]

ok thanks

[agile igloo]

Point in bb is better than bl and massacre or is it just preference?

[smoky kayak]

Fury’s rotation is more complicated. Arms has more RNG in gaming Juggernaught, but a weak aura handles the actual gameplay for you

[muted atlas]

Thank you

[smoky kayak]

Unless you mean M+ in which case they’re both dummy easy

[muted atlas]

both raid and M+. Gonna probably convert to a dps warrior

[smoky kayak]

From what?

[muted atlas]

prot warrior

[hollow plover]

any way of still unlocking this? I assume the answer is no

maybe some transmog heads in here will know

[minor gust]

elite sets no those should be tied to the pvp season

[shadow ibex]

Hit up some 2s

Always fun as arms/x

[hollow plover]

thats dragonflight pvp gear tho

not tww

[tacit crystal]

get the pvp thingies

play pvp

and go there to buy

[tacit crystal]

oh nah

[minor gust]

its the elite set

[shadow ibex]

For future sets I mean

[minor gust]

you cant

[shadow ibex]

Yea elite is El gonzo

[shadow ibex]

Warrior 2s is always at least decent as fury or arms if you want the elite xmog and mount

[hollow plover]

i need someone for that

or a queue to pop at least

[naive sage]

Mini doomer Moment
I am losing the pleasure of playing this game I do not feel good in my guild, I am not feeling like I’m neither growing nor improving, I just login on my shaman to get ignored in pug or angry in guild raid runs

[shadow ibex]

Take a break

[naive sage]

It seems more and more a good idea

[shadow ibex]

Don't let fomo fuck you up

It's just jugg gamba gameplay you aren't missing much if you take a break

[minor gust]

just the type of game retail wow is these days. Play till you lose interest then take a break and come back again later

[naive sage]

I kid you not, going around randomly in D4 looking for goblins is just better than current wow for me

[minor gust]

play expedition 33

[shadow ibex]

Doom comes out next week

Get to buy all bis gear and not worry about loot ever

[naive sage]

Is PoE out already

[minor gust]

still in early access for $30

worth if your a poe enjoyer

[astral yarrow]

If you like ARPGs, a blind playthrough of PoE2 is immaculate

Endgame is not that good and build diversity is non existant, but you can do entire campaign with just about anything

(dont play caster outside Essence Drain/Contagion)

[tacit crystal]

warrior

(i played for like 5 hours and got aids because it felt slow)