arms

[hollow plover]

someone actively avoiding glowing soak circles

checked vod

[rare kite]

based

[hollow plover]

guess the class

[rare kite]

mage

2nd guess evoker. 3rd guess dh

[hollow plover]

mages and evoker did have the 2nd lowest soak amounts

the class in question was a very bright color

let's leave it at that

[sudden fox]

Rogue or paladin

[mortal crag]

is wowhead updated for m+?

like is it a good talent tree?

[hollow plover]

ye it's good

[mortal crag]

doing 10s to catch up on gear

figured could be nice to train arms

[mortal crag]

i got 1 point in bb instead of ep i figure thats fine?

[minor gust]

just a st vs aoe trade off its fine

basically every arms talent choice rn

[mortal crag]

surely we buy BIS+house, right?

[minor gust]

If your killing mythic OAB

[sudden fox]

Oab just copped a massive nerf lol

Even less reason to play colossus now

Unless youre padding I guess

[sleek crow]

do yall think theres been such a lack of warrior tuning this season becuase Blizzard is working on a rework or Blizzard just hates us

[halcyon breach]

Former is cope, latter I personally think is incompetence

[shadow ibex]

warbringer devs

[hollow plover]

blizzard has, on multiple occasions, said that warrior dps specs are in a good state except for minor balance changes

[lost lily]

I think id mostly agree. Numbers changes over design changes and we good

[regal wharf]

me in the benadryl realm with outlaw

[vast drum]

Would yall play fury or arms in M sprocket? I always feel like i do better in pure ST as arms but that's prob just a skill issue

[shadow ibex]

whichever you like more

fury has a bit easier living but also shouldnt die to much that isnt a wipe

but more forgiving for sure

[worthy turret]

is it okay to thunderclap instead of rend in M+ ST?

[halcyon breach]

Yes

It's a very minimal increase to Rend over TC

[worthy turret]

kk tyvm

[thick hamlet]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/corruption-enchants-revisited-after-latest-tuning-closer-than-ever-before-376741

bros where/how did they find the route thing for +18 cinderbrew

[unique cypress]

somewhere in method dungeon tools you can export a route to be used for simc/raidbots

i'm unsure how to do it though

[thick hamlet]

thanks amigo

[vast surge]

Curious, in your opinions what is needed make arms a top tier M+ spec without aura buffs?

[rare kite]

no such thing. it needs to do very big damage to be meta, unholy is meta because it does big dam

[vast surge]

That seems reductive, unholy has a very wide and useful set of utility as well and a much simpler aoe rotation

[balmy kindle]

Maybe bloodlust or something disgusting like 10s cd shockwave

No top end dmg but don't matter thrash can't move, can't cast

[rare kite]

a simpe rotation doesn't matter. and except for cr what kind of utility does does unholy have? grip can be nice sure, but is not anywhere close a reason it being meta

[slate crest]

Give 45s avatar 😵

[vast surge]

I play both Sin rogue and Arms and when I play Sin I feel like I always have damage even with Death mark on CD, I always have AoE damage I don't really care about my CDs they just amp already powerful aoe.
Even the setup is not that hard to pull off.

With Arms I feel like that's not the case

[slate crest]

Arms just has too many modifiers

[vast surge]

Yeah that feels like the issue

[slate crest]

Uhdk is so simple and straightforward

[balmy kindle]

Try deva on FS

[slate crest]

And you do much more with less effort

[balmy kindle]

Press engulf and do absolutely bonkers dmg

[vast surge]

I like that arms requires some thinking to be effective but it does feel like you have to think way more than other specs that seem to have on demand damage

I also play ret and there I don't think about CDs at all, I just send because I have them back so quick

I only play around the utility for the group

[balmy kindle]

Not like arms actually has long cds ? cS and demo is basically every pack

More if you have high crit %

[slate crest]

Thats true. Its not Bad to have a skill ceiling, but to me arms gameplay is not very smooth compared to others

I play ret, demo and uhdk as alts and they are so much smoother to play 😁

[vast surge]

AMS helps with a lot dungeon mechanics AMZ >>> Rally, DnD can be use as a slow to help a tank kite (useful in Cinderbrew)

[slate crest]

Arms just feels janky after blasting on dk

[vast surge]

I still love playing arms but yeah sometimes I wonder what's the though process behind the current design

I'm still not a demolish enjoyer either even if I have learned to play with it

I'm watching Critcake's vod and he's so skilled but ret pal and UDK are gapping him despite him playing near perfectly, doesn't seem right

[rare kite]

ehh i would not say ams helps with alot of mechanics. rookery 2nd boss, what else? and i don't understand the argument where a simple rotation is meta defining. a spec could have the most jank rotation and do the most damage then it's meta. arms design is pretty garbage but if it did the most damage in the game it would be meta, the other 4 classes can make up for lack of utility

[hazy flower]

Nobody plays slow on dnd + war has raid buff

[vast surge]

Priory soak, with an external you can solo soak 5 stacks

[tacit crystal]

i know what dk has that warrior doesnt

uncapped aoe 🙂

[vast surge]

Only useful if you're stacking attack power comps in M+ like Noxiv and co or critcake and his team

DH chaos brand will net you more damage

And benefits the whole group

[magic canopy]

the sickness

[tacit crystal]

madox i need 1 more 10

its so doomed

no ones awake and no 10 is taking me

gg

[magic canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/im-out-of-here-gif-24981088

[tacit crystal]

i cannot subject you to warriorlock anymore

[magic canopy]

i dont wana drop my 12 on boomy

but if you have a 10 ill go

[balmy kindle]

Note it's mostly VDH, havoc's pretty meh now

[tacit crystal]

ya gonna see if can i assemble

[magic canopy]

where smorbsmish

make him suffer

[tacit crystal]

cant tell

[hazy flower]

Dk gains, rogue gains, ret gains, enha gains, ww gains, feral, hunter and every tank

[vast surge]

Upcoming buffs might make Havoc more viable but as long VDH is toughest tank ya havoc won't be meta

[vast surge]

Those are attack power classes as I mentioned

[rare kite]

yea and those happen to not be meta at the moment. you can make the same argument for dh buff, it's good because the meta classes benefit it currently.

[vast surge]

Also for high M+ is less about damage throughput and what you can survive

[rare kite]

like if outlaw rogue and mm hunter were meta warrior buff would be bigger than dh buff

[vast surge]

I don't disagree but most likely it would be prot that becomes meta

[hazy flower]

And there are a lot of them, its not a monk buff so its not entirely useless. Utility is fake, if warrior does damage unholy does it will be meta 👍

[rare kite]

again, whatever does the most damage would become meta

[vast surge]

over under how likely does blizzard give us a fresh coat of pain in 11.2?

[balmy kindle]

The damage is king is so true though, the entire meta ATM is focused on killing adds before they kill the group

Don't need stuns if everything is dead in 50m DPS

[rare kite]

very unlikely... but i have given up hope a long time ago

[vast surge]

Mm hunter burst is pretty nuts

I don't know the rotation but it looks insane

[balmy kindle]

Try deva, having a blast now

Mm hunter is simple as hell

Volley > trueshot bismillah

[vast surge]

I've tried, I don't know what I'm doing but I do big damage

[magic canopy]

most of the classes ive tried outside of warrior are easier

enhance was the hardest to do well

[tacit crystal]

madox

i got into a group

amen

[vast surge]

Yeah, I really had no idea what I was doing on flameshaper, I just had a rough idea of the rotation and I was doing really good damage

[rare kite]

as whatever the lightning spec hero tree is called i agree. totemic is chill af tho

[magic canopy]

boomkin that im playing as an example, once i spread my dots. starfall auto upkeeps them per cast

i legit hit moonfire on everything. sunfire on gruop. spam starfire and spend starfall

[balmy kindle]

Put fire breath press engulf very wow, also use firestorm procs and use pyre on essence burst

Flameshaper dmg is not balanced

[vast surge]

https://tenor.com/view/trump-big-gif-24573741

[balmy kindle]

Granted dev got buffed alot and it's quite squishy

[vast surge]

I play with an Aug Evoker turned Dev evoker and she's having the time of her life

My tank is a brewmaster which solidified my place as a warrior, he wants Shout lol

[balmy kindle]

Brave playing brew in m+

[rare kite]

hope you have a shaman. arms feels so much better with skyfury it's insane

[magic canopy]

@tacit crystal

[vast surge]

we're doing 15s and so far so good, he does have a disc priest so I guess that's helping

[magic canopy]

rate the new fit

[vast surge]

nah frost mage usually join us

[balmy kindle]

Would admit warrior limits comp by alot, blizz should just give us lust or combat rez at least

So annoying when pushing higher keys

[vast surge]

Lust

Yelling at someone to attack faster is on brand

Hahaha

[balmy kindle]

I have jumpers as well but it's close to melee range

[slow saddle]

Pala got cr

We arent palas

[rare kite]

unfortunate

[magic canopy]

HoC in vault tomorrow 🤲

[vast surge]

Our lust rotates a lot

[vast surge]

Same, I got the jumpers on me. My priest likes having me in group cause I'm very tanky compared to the rest of the group

[balmy kindle]

Arms being tanky is funny considering we were walking tofus on S1

[slow saddle]

Compared to mage??

[vast surge]

Honestly we've gotten so much better than S1

[balmy kindle]

Yeah I think us and fury are pretty tanky now compared to mage, really hard to die with all the self heals and DR

[rare kite]

mage is tankier if the mage is good. but lowkey 99% of mages don't know how to use defensives

[slow saddle]

This

[vast surge]

Mage require more proactive play than us

But if they can do that, then 100% tankier than us

[slow saddle]

Ipv + sr + thebigd is nice

[balmy kindle]

Road to 3k was so hard with all the bad mages

[vast surge]

I was able to play with the squard from 2900-3200

So it was pretty smooth, but pugging has been a mixed bag

[magic canopy]

you need to repair

[slow saddle]

Puggin always is

[vast surge]

I don't mind pugging but the skill gap can give you whiplash

Sometimes you pug into a team and it's like you're a well oiled machine

Next it's like you're playing with crayon eaters

Ironic cause I'm the warrior of the group

[slow saddle]

10000%

I got an elly friend thats 3k

I swear his skill is more 2500

🤣

[quaint otter]

But 3k is nothing special?

Just a fancy number

[vast surge]

It's the notion that you made it that far up the progression ladder

[slow saddle]

3k is a decent step only puggin

But with enough time u can beat the system y

[vast surge]

To be honest I was nervous about 15s but it's not as bad if you've gotten into the habit of kicks/defensives and you're playing with other people who do the same and you've planned out stop rotations

I know that sounds like a lot but in practice it's not too bad

With pugs though, hmmm

[tacit crystal]

also theres no way you pvpd

[magic canopy]

i pvp every season

normally i go 2100

[tacit crystal]

woah

[magic canopy]

tho i dont care much for the elite stuff rn

[tacit crystal]

i tried pvp for the first time last season

[magic canopy]

so im just 1800 rn

[tacit crystal]

i got stuck 2280

gg

in ss

[vast surge]

Lads and ladies, would like to check something.

In M+ and on a pull where I have all my CDs (I'm playing blademaster's torment + bloodborne)

What's my opener now?

Charge > Sweep > Cleave > Clap > Roar > Ravager > WB+Avatar > Demo at 10 stacks?

[magic canopy]

yeah i only go for the rewards

i dont really care about pvp at al

[tacit crystal]

i was bored bc nothing was happening in my guild

(those who know)

and i wasnt getting into keys as war

[magic canopy]

Charge>Cleave>tclap>Roar>Sweep>Avatar/WB>Ravager> demo 10 stacks

[rare kite]

charge>cleave>tc>roar>ss>ravager>wb+avatar>demo 10stacks

[tacit crystal]

charge cleave tc roar ss rav ava cd demo 10 or cs approaching 2s

kinda crazy how we in sync

minus madox with rav after

[vast surge]

Thanks all

[magic canopy]

i think walhe did a check and said ravager after warbreaker is better becuase you dont waste a bonegrinder global

but its a pretty minor optimization i think

[rare kite]

hmhge

[magic canopy]

we were using ravager BEFORE warbreaker becuase you didnt want the effect hasted

but i think after now is better? at least if i remember right

[vast surge]

Cool and typically I'll hold ravager if WB will come of CD soon right?

[magic canopy]

my rule of thumb is try to have your collat buff only used with warbreaker or ravager

but its especially important to save collat for your warbreaker and ravager windows

its a ton of dam

[vast surge]

playing blademasters torment I have like 23secs of SS right

without a cancel aura macro I'd miss the MBG window?

[tacit crystal]

i think thats the reason why yeah

but the difference is probably so minimal

[rare kite]

should have a cancel aura incase. like cancelling a few seconds of SS to get it inside mbg window is very good

[tacit crystal]

honestly i think you rav before if you have no collats going into a pull

[vast surge]

hmmm, alright I'll set on up

[magic canopy]

tbh most of it is you basically play like normal and just react to your current situation

SS cancel idk if its worth

[vast surge]

I prefer this approach

[tacit crystal]

what would be the laziest way to add cancel ss

surely if i put it on heroic strike itll never be used by accident

[rare kite]

it is. just in rare scenarios

i know crit does it sometimes

lets say you have 3 seconds left of SS and 2 sec left of cs. definetely worth it

[slow saddle]

Sometimes u wsnt that fst cleave in becoz u wobt get to next psck

[magic canopy]

mutou do you have the xephui standalone highlighter working

i updated mine and its just warlock spells in there

[rare kite]

i do not run xephz atm. should get it again tho

[tacit crystal]

surely i get a good vault tomorrow

4 chances

[magic canopy]

yeah i made the mistake up updating the addon but loading custom configuation so i lost all the spell date

[tacit crystal]

xeph is the goat

like @strange perch

[brave spindle]

You guys think we still play circlet, even if we get more ilvl from rings soon?

[rare kite]

arms already replaces circlet

[tacit crystal]

that depends on your characters available gear

ask the robot for your specific case

[brave spindle]

Unlucky, so i gotta farm 2 rings now 🤣

[strange perch]

Jarvis increase jiggle byyyyyyy 45%

[tacit crystal]

t

[strange perch]

Jarvis make her 9 feet tall

Jarvis make her blue

[tacit crystal]

m

[strange perch]

I want her to look like the navi

[tacit crystal]

y

[tacit crystal]

TEA

[strange perch]

Jarvis

[tacit crystal]

Uhmmmm

[strange perch]

Why

[tacit crystal]

Whyyyyyyyyy

[magic canopy]

https://justpaste.it/gt98r

stole it from old critcake post

[strange perch]

Lol

Madox from youtube

Hello 👋

[magic canopy]

greetings

[rare kite]

cheers

[strange perch]

@tacit crystal

[tacit crystal]

@strange perch

do you think he would be mad if i @ 'd him

[magic canopy]

who

[tacit crystal]

tea yhmmm yyyy

[strange perch]

No

[magic canopy]

no hes a goober

[tacit crystal]

you do it

[strange perch]

@dull siren stop playing tft

[magic canopy]

Goobus

[tacit crystal]

@dull siren :3

[magic canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/frog-hat-gif-24889203

[strange perch]

https://tenor.com/view/akira-job-application-get-a-job-akira-job-application-gif-8274337411388777231

[tacit crystal]

goat

[magic canopy]

also toggle ignore updates on it

when i updated it bricked it

[rare kite]

smort

[tacit crystal]

we lost a raid member gg

[magic canopy]

what

[tacit crystal]

i checj my guild discord and we have -1 person now

lol

[magic canopy]

when do you guys raid anyway

[tacit crystal]

tues - thur

dont know what it means other than 1 person having to sit sometimes vs 2

[magic canopy]

o

[sacred zodiac]

Oops

[void bay]

Some people get really pissy if they are benched even once

[naive sage]

Real (I’m people)

[simple wren]

hit me with your best overpower/execute conditional wa for slayer 🙂

[rare kite]

#dps-faq

[simple wren]

thanks!

[icy mulch]

I feel like I was thrown down a set of stairs this morning. >.<

I look forward to killing Bandit this week. Especially after the nerfs.

[hollow plover]

Those people care more about themselves than the prog, easily replaceable

[lean wraith]

guys could anyone be so kind as to help me work out just how/why my dps is so trash

im a prot main, so i only have a 665 wep

but its best in slots

and im 666 ilvl

[narrow flax]

#449510248579858432 would be best for this

[lean wraith]

im following the opener/priority as best as i can, and trying to line up colossus smash/bladestorm/avatar

[dull siren]

clown

[lean wraith]

i am yet to start logging 😦 i've been going through a process over the last 6 months of becoming less casual

and i've got raider io etc linked up now

when i say low dps

i mean

low

i just did 1.3m on mugzee

[narrow flax]

starting logging would be a good step 1, easy to set up and gives people a good way of seeing what ur specifically doing wrong

[dull siren]

If ur doing that bad ( no flame )
Get the rotational helper and start from there

[narrow flax]

could be lots of things

[dull siren]

Hekili

[lean wraith]

do you guys have a wa to track slaying strikes?

[narrow flax]

i have a general warrior WA that does include that yes

[lean wraith]

i don't think heliki will do it, unless it integrates stuff like ythat and procs from hero talents

i AM following the basic rotation

just i am not tracking stuff i need to

could you share pls 🙂

[narrow flax]

i use atrocity's, that one is paid

[lean wraith]

ahhh

[narrow flax]

but most general from wago.io should work

[lean wraith]

so atm, i never know when the execute i press is the one that is highest prio or not

okidoke ill have a look ty 🙂

[strange perch]

?

[narrow flax]

there is a section for that on wow head

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/warrior/arms/rotation-cooldowns-pve-dps

check this

[lean wraith]

yep, thats what i am following

[narrow flax]

i think if you follow the prio's accurately you should do more than 1.3m tbf

even if you are not tracking your hero talent procs

[dim basalt]

https://wago.io/9n9GqeQ6-

[lean wraith]

sorry i had a phone call

how do i force a wa to load

[dim basalt]

This WA makes a kaching when you should press it outside of execute phase

[lean wraith]

this is doing my nut in, i know its just me being an idiot

but ive installed it 4 times now

it stays in 'not loaded'

@dim basalt awh, that would be awesome but unfortunately i don't play with sound 😦

[eager sigil]

are you not arms slayer?

[dim basalt]

Also Im not sure what youre trying to track, Marked for Execution?

[lean wraith]

yep

yeah the slayers strike stacks for execute

[eager sigil]

then go to load and check what it needs to load

might be fucked

[lean wraith]

okidoke ill try that

[dim basalt]

Playing without sounds

[lean wraith]

sorry im not wa savvy

im really suprised so many people play with them!

[dim basalt]

If you do higher content you absolutely want to play with sounds

[eager sigil]

well 99% are just plug and play

[dim basalt]

Lots of WA make sounds for important things

[lean wraith]

it said fury

so ive changed it to arms

[eager sigil]

then you got the fury one

[lean wraith]

but can i not make it load for both?

[eager sigil]

there is one for fury

and one for arms

they are different

[lean wraith]

ahhh and they diff was yeah so i cant just change to arms? i need to find the right one?

ahh gotcha

thankyou very much 🙂

how is this proving so difficult..

[eager sigil]

ill get them for you

sec

[lean wraith]

❤️

[dim basalt]

Look for Marked for Execution

Thats what the buff is called

You would think they would make that kind of stuff more intuitive

[lean wraith]

loads have come up now 🙂 many of them dont say what spec

but theres one that says works for both

so ima try that

[eager sigil]

https://wago.io/9n9GqeQ6-

[lean wraith]

seriously thankyou so so much

[dim basalt]

...thats the sound wa I posted earlier

[lean wraith]

its on my screen tho!

sorry hahahaha

i thought you meant it just makes a sound

[dim basalt]

Thats what I thought

lmao

I have never noticed these displays

[eager sigil]

the top right one is not from that weakaura

[dim basalt]

well

[eager sigil]

the only image it shows is a sudden death one

not slayer strikes

[lean wraith]

ahhh crap

cause i just tested this visual one

and sometimes is says 2 stacks when you have 3

infact ive not seen it go to 3 once

yep

back to drawing board

was displaying 0 when i had 3

after all that

its on luxthos....

[untold thorn]

how is the prio list for arms with Exe, OP and MS?

do we have any minmax prio

[teal fossil]

refer to wowhead

[untold thorn]

or this channel? 😛

[minor gust]

https://discord.com/channels/148872210742771712/1237303208754286715

any of the guides in here will give you the answers your looking for

[hollow plover]

depends on execute phase

wowhead has the exact list

its genuinely good

:)

[smoky kayak]

It was actually just overhauled with a whole new format too!

[olive nest]

Oh sweet heading to check it out!

[smoky kayak]

Mostly backend stuff y’all can’t see, but the main one is there are now radio buttons for exclusive choices instead of checkboxes that could create impossible talent combinations

[minor gust]

just hitting dummies rn you can feel it not bad

BS not next to TR anymore looks nice

[strange perch]

Is it me only or Arms gameplay it’s bad? Like I enjoy WW gameplay and Prot warr rotation but arms just feels awkward

[olive nest]

Subjective of course

[icy mulch]

It can be awkward, mainly because it's priority over normal rotation.

[olive nest]

I personally enjoy arms priority the most

[icy mulch]

I don't mind arms, but there is a lot to be desired.

[teal fossil]

no spec in this game is rotation these days

its all priority

i think if you dont like priority wow isnt the game for you

[strange perch]

Like send demolish at 6 stacks for me it’s one of them, or you wait till 10 on the opener?

[olive nest]

You delay it until 10 stacks or until about 3 seconds is remaining on your warbreaker

Witchever happens first

[icy mulch]

You could send the first one of a key without 10 stacks. Other than that 10 stacks or bust.

[shadow ibex]

I think arms is pretty bad. With no opportunist it's just use one of three buttons

Opp throws in a reaction

[light dirge]

bit of a bind in my vault

[shadow ibex]

0 resource management to top it off

[light dirge]

robo says myth trinket is biggest upgrade (viscera trinket) but i think its a ST trinket?

[minor gust]

only useful in ST yes

[light dirge]

hmm good for raiding i suppose

[minor gust]

HOC and pacemaker exists

just take the socket

[light dirge]

sure of course. im kind of curious how pacemaker works i have hero track mechano and FHL and they sim way higher than pacemaker

[minor gust]

pacemaker is just a crit stat stick

if you have other trinkets that sim higher just use them doesnt matter

[light dirge]

yeah for sure. that's the plan just wondering if the myth track trinket is worth it or just get a socket like you said.

[minor gust]

dont think to hard about it

[light dirge]

zug zug it is

[tacit crystal]

do i open as frost

[slow saddle]

Yes

Frost is cold as ice dmg

[shadow ibex]

I took socket cuz I'm moving to x2 thread

Gonna craft bracers

And then buy bis next week

[candid pecan]

fury is arms too

[slow saddle]

How the hell is ret gettin 6%

Is it just d20 rolls?

[olive nest]

It’s nice to see havoc getting a 4% ability buff when the havoc in my raid is already dumpstering the rest of the melee

Uhdk and myself barely keep up

[minor gust]

Do it coward

[minor gust]

Player skill diff

[olive nest]

Tru he’s good

3 rank 1s and a 99

My 90 avg ass can’t hang

[tacit crystal]

i did

[minor gust]

Like on OAB prog I'm usually sitting at top 3 or 4 throughout the whole fight meanwhile Warcraft logs show warrior at the bottom for that fight. Just how it is

[sacred zodiac]

Fußbombenmeisterschaftsring

[shadow ibex]

We really needed that exe nerf before raid open

[opal swallow]

going from crit verse Heroic necklace (darkflame neck) to this Mythic necklace is a 15k decrease in dps

is that a sign of being softcapped?

[olive nest]

I’m cursed on OAB tank movement isn’t the greatest so we have horrible cleave potential and I’m also assigned to leap out and grab the ranged coin for the dunk every set

[tacit crystal]

bro

i dont get the achievement this week

gg

[minor gust]

Our tanks are pretty bad with movement too I'm rarely 2t cleaving

Still pumpin

Colossus Blord slapping away

[olive nest]

Ahh see I’m slayer full ST with extended sweep

Probably just chillin with that feels comfier to play

[minor gust]

I needed a break from Slayer raid before I lost my mind

[olive nest]

For me Colo feels like I need to devote more brainpower too it to get the most out of it that I can so that was my reasoning for just sticking with slayer for oab prog

Slayer feels very natural and almost like I can do it passively

[hollow plover]

gg

[slow saddle]

Its sign of u simmin wrong

[opal swallow]

I increased ilvl on necklace to max, gave it sockets preselected same gems. simming for patchwerk

what am i doing wrong?

[hollow plover]

send the sim

[opal swallow]

necklace is haste heavy, im at 27% haste already

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/swz6N4ftaQDxM1aMxo5q2S

[olive nest]

2.1!?

[hollow plover]

colossus

[olive nest]

Something is not right

Oh colossus

[hollow plover]

Bedge

[opal swallow]

im in my M+ talents

i guess i could swap to raid spec

and try again

[hollow plover]

colossus generally wants mastery and is much better at using vers than slayer

slayer is more haste heavy

[slow saddle]

Hmm so also its competing with a 2h?

[olive nest]

If you’re simming for raid you should probably be in raid spec

If you’re simming for M+ then yeah of course be in the M+ spec

[slow saddle]

But y 2hander is also big

[opal swallow]

its simming myth level 2hander with haste verse is better than crit verse crafted, 3 ilvls of raw damage seems to be better

[olive nest]

Yes ofc

[opal swallow]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ofSfzzq8qFzsQWUyAqPWqF

[olive nest]

More stats typically is better

[opal swallow]

theres raid spec

[olive nest]

Specially on weapon

[hollow plover]

weapon dps is the carrying factor

[shadow ibex]

Arms buffs on leg day

[sacred zodiac]

unprecedented that bigger number better

[olive nest]

Wow he gain 400k by swapping specs!?!?

[sacred zodiac]

what the fuck ??

[hollow plover]

that's crazy

chatting

[opal swallow]

that wasnt the question

[opal swallow]

i see the necklace does show an upgrade, this is the answer to my question

[hollow plover]

thumb

[fresh spire]

Send battlelord

[hollow plover]

battlelord is ufn

fun

[fresh spire]

Real

[hollow plover]

pressing button is fun

[fresh spire]

No jug prio

Send sd>slam or sd2 up

Or mfe3

[hushed pine]

In retrospective, I should've picked myth track priory signet

but hero track chestpiece is very nice too

[tacit crystal]

where is the jug cook

[hollow plover]

[hushed pine]

[minor gust]

Yeah I'm playing Colossus Blord for OAB

Unless your saying Blord slayer

[fresh spire]

Blord slayer is underrated

[opal swallow]

https://wago.io/pKuWbngSi This is the one i use, i should test it tho now that you called out that other WA

[tacit crystal]

y

[fresh spire]

[tacit crystal]

true

[proper atlas]

is slayer the move

[chrome oxide]

Question regarding rotations on AOE. I have 2 charge overpower up, cleave and Ms also up and sweeping strikes. does MS get priority or i need to use overpower

[minor gust]

3+ targets cleave > MS > OP gg

SS doesn't change anything

[chrome oxide]

oh really

great thanks!

[minor gust]

Assuming you are talking about Colossus M+

[chrome oxide]

yea yea

so as long as cleave and ms up, op has least prio?

[hollow plover]

[minor gust]

Yup

[opal swallow]

https://giffiles.alphacoders.com/190/190094.gif

Cleave

[hollow plover]

posting this in the arms warrior chat is borderline chatting

chatting

[opal swallow]

my bad ill try harder to not chatting in the chat

real talk tho what is this blord slayer build, is this raid alternate or m+ alternate

[tacit crystal]

raid

[hollow plover]

raid

[tacit crystal]

drop jug

[opal swallow]

dang really? is it providing higher dps?

[hollow plover]

no

[tacit crystal]

its less aids

[hollow plover]

^

[opal swallow]

are you having issues keeping it up? juggernaught stacks that is

🙂

[hollow plover]

Juggernaut is rng

[dim basalt]

Its huge rng

[opal swallow]

choose other rng talent then?

[tacit crystal]

its a different a way

if you play jug

[dim basalt]

I dont think you understand how bad jugg can feel

[tacit crystal]

all of your damage in execute is reliant on it

and constantly dropping it before execute

xdddddp

[hollow plover]

bro having 15 juggernaut stacks and then getting an SD proc the moment the duration runs out

[tacit crystal]

oh yeah

parse ruined

[dim basalt]

Not even just that, even outside of execute it makes a big diff

[hollow plover]

https://tenor.com/view/xqc-slam-slam-desk-desk-slam-xqc-slam-gif-19145485

[tacit crystal]

or that

[dim basalt]

Whether you gimp around 2-4 stacks or can actually keep it up all the time

[tacit crystal]

if you can go from 0-15 you actually do damage before

[hollow plover]

yea

fair

[shadow ibex]

Fun gameplay

[minor gust]

Season 1 TWW made me realize this iteration of arms just not fun at all without EB and Blord

At least this season we got EB back but still need blord

If fishy tells me tho dropping Jugg for Blord is sub 1% diff shittttt I'll do it

I don't give a fuck

I'm gonna lose my mind if I have to deal with the shit that is jugg

[willow seal]

are we bladestorm now in mplus?

[opal swallow]

no

[dim basalt]

no

[opal swallow]

nothing new for M+ builds

were chuds

[willow seal]

cool. Thanks guys.

[opal swallow]

https://tenor.com/view/nothing-ever-happens-chud-chudjak-soyjak-90-seconds-to-nothing-gif-9277709574191520604

[hollow plover]

.5% is already a lot tho no?

like thats 100k

or wait no

im trolling

ignore what i said

[ember hatch]

guys do you think slayer will go meta?

[hollow plover]

slayer is already meta in raid

thumb

[ember hatch]

for m+ with the tomorrow buff

[hollow plover]

no.

big bad

these buffs do not affect m+ at all

[lean wraith]

@opal swallow this is the one i ended up with 🙂

[minor gust]

A .5% sim loss isn't much when translated into actual gameplay

[opal swallow]

Oh very nice, did you test it, i havent yet

i do like the sound queus so you dont have to stare at a something else in the UI

[tacit crystal]

i think im gonna do my keys as slarms this week

i havent played it in months

[weak rain]

it's ok, today is the day we see that juicy arms rework on ptr for 11.1.7

[opal swallow]

chud

[shadow ibex]

[olive nest]

[hollow plover]

depression

go loboz fury build instead

[tacit crystal]

that guy

xd

rip ra

beo

i want to play onslaught

@minor gust @hollow plover @untold trench rate the cook

@rare kite

[olive nest]

Send it

[hollow plover]

no enrage on odyns?

no vc?

what

solid 5/7

[tacit crystal]

who needs enrage on odyns if im playing onslaught

[proper atlas]

what are the sims saying slayer vs colos?

[tacit crystal]

for what context

[olive nest]

Slayer raid / Colo M+

[vast drum]

Do we still want one on use /one passive trinket once we get BiS weap? Ik it takes trinket use but trying to plan out my dinars

[thick kelp]

yes

[minor gust]

So Critcakes all the buttons fury build

you better have spear and roar

I miss onslaught too but they took it out back and beat it to death with a tire iron

and hasnt been mentioned since

[tacit crystal]

ill play spear

[minor gust]

all da buttons

removing onslaught from UF was so un fucking necessary man

so fucking overkill

ready for some slayer keys today got this cooked up

[reef birch]

wait what

[orchid ledge]

Is there a change that happened delve trinkets? The top arms m+ warriors all use funhouse+mechano (champ track/hero)

[reef birch]

since when do we go slayer for m+

[minor gust]

since when I want to play slayer

[reef birch]

oh

[minor gust]

it just got buffs im bored of colossus so I wanna do some high slayer keys

[wintry arch]

Uhh this guys playing what he thinks he might enjoy

Is that allowed?

[dim basalt]

no

[minor gust]

https://tenor.com/view/me-atrapaste-es-cine-its-cinema-cinema-esto-es-cine-gif-17729711691959966457

[dire hinge]

Nobody can tell you how to use your $12-15USD/mo

[reef birch]

what a nutcase, right?

[minor gust]

+15 slayer keys here I come

reap go brrrrr

[reef birch]

prolly a closeted psycho

[daring heron]

slayer arms was r1 last season

[dire hinge]

bring back sword/board arms in keys

[daring heron]

i believe anyway

[minor gust]

Sword and shield arms keys

[reef birch]

is 5 patchwerk 1,5min the go-to for simming?

ive been out of the loop for a while

[minor gust]

there really isnt any goto for M+ simming

[dire hinge]

you could do it in DF for a little bit, it was stupid

[thick kelp]

Blord point to Massacre and u are talking

MS is extremely weak in slayer

[minor gust]

I played around with that earlier this week yeah was a lil undecided

[minor gust]

you gonna do any slayer keys this week?

[thick kelp]

Atleast in sims post buffs slarms is doing respectable damage compared to colossus

[daring heron]

doubt it

maybe for a video

but not to push keys

[minor gust]

just doing some whatever dummy testing this morning I was putting out some pretty similiar numbers to colossus was nice

[minor gust]

yeah just for fun. I just need a break from deaing with demolish in keys man. I dont mind it all in when raiding with demolish but pushing high keys man idk shit can be so annoying to use sometimes

[copper summit]

in m+ which combo trinket is it better to use all max rank (ignore eye)

[reef birch]

lens and cards id guess

[opal swallow]

Where lock n stalk!?

[minor gust]

one passive one on use gg

no need to overthink

[wintry arch]

Double passive no thinking

[opal swallow]

If you can get mythic one armed down are you taking house of cards mythic or best in slots

[minor gust]

well 1:30 on use macro into ava is pretty not thinking aswell

[opal swallow]

w/ dinars

[dim basalt]

Depends but most likely HoC tbh

[minor gust]

https://tenor.com/view/why-not-both-why-not-take-both-gif-11478682

[opal swallow]

but which one first

[minor gust]

I mean

[opal swallow]

thats the question

[minor gust]

doesnt really matter

[copper summit]

is it 3dinars per week or 1 per week (after first week)

[opal swallow]

i think its spread out if you are raiding weekly you can get an item every 3 weeks

[fresh spire]

1 on first week then 2 more over 6 weeks

[minor gust]

if your mythic raiding you should already have a myth weapon and a good on use trinket wether lens or heroic HOC so were talking minor gains here for bis/Myth HOC

just pick one and call it a day

[copper summit]

atm my guild is at sprocket .. might use my 1st one on the back

test pilot

[minor gust]

I would just hold the dinar

till you kill OAB

[opal swallow]

Items stay with you per season, mogs last a lifetime

https://tenor.com/view/smart-thinking-thoughts-think-ponder-gif-7713620

[copper summit]

i might save 2 dinars for OAB and then 3rd and on will use as soon as i can

[minor gust]

yeah just save no need to spend it on something as worthless as the sprocket cloak

[copper summit]

gotta go fast tho lol

[olive nest]

The on use lasts 1 second

Literally a meme

[wanton frost]

For myth cauldron, would y'all recommend sending big cds (namely avatar) right at the start, or when the bosses clash? I know I can nearly double my damage during the clash segment, but it's still holding cds for 1~ minute and my group sends lust on pull. We've already cleared it so it's not a super big deal, but I've wondered what the ideal play is on this for a while now

[wintry arch]

Press avatar with 10 seconds on pull timer

[slow saddle]

This

[olive nest]

Hidden tech

[wanton frost]

cd comes up right at clash I assume?

[slow saddle]

Y

[wanton frost]

hm

[olive nest]

Gives you some value on pull and then makes it come up right with clash

[slow saddle]

And improved sweep!

[wanton frost]

would you hold dragon's roar or whatever as well? or would that come up right at the end of clash

[slow saddle]

Also pick that

[wanton frost]

if sent on cd

I do run that ye

[slow saddle]

Right ay wend

[olive nest]

Poor lens getting pressed at 10 seconds on pull timer since I’m lazy

[slow saddle]

Send it asap

[wanton frost]

Will try that tonight. Thanks for the tip

[dire hinge]

we have 1.5min CDs. The cadence for Clash is every ~1.5min as well, but the first one happens at 1:15, so you have to offset the first one

-0:10 > 1:15 -> 2:45

[young creek]

around what amount of crit do you start going for more haste mastery?

[slow saddle]

0

Or 100

[dire hinge]

when the simrobot tells me to
(don't napkin-math secondary stats, let the robot inform you when to move stats)

[slow saddle]

What ever bot tells u😅

But in gen haste - crit

If u playin slayer

And having less than 30% haste is awfull 2 play

[reef birch]

so what do you sim?

[slow saddle]

I sim st 5m

[young creek]

was wondering more for m+

[slow saddle]

Then u always want crit-mastery more in gen

[young creek]

cool

ty

[slow saddle]

But robot decides

[reef birch]

im still unsure as to which setting to use for m+ sims

[slow saddle]

Well...

5t 5m 5t 1m 1t 5m

And correlate

[dire hinge]

there basically isn't a "correct" way to sim for M+.
You'll want to use a combination of Single Target, 5 Target, and both short/long sims and make some educated guesses based on the combinations of all of them.

[slow saddle]

But in gen just sim fornst

[dire hinge]

it's an extremely imperfect science and pretty subjective

[slow saddle]

And feelycraft trinkets

[reef birch]

so always pay heed to the robot sim gods, but we dont know what exactly to ask them

[slow saddle]

I mean we do

M+ is boss fights and aoe

Weight for st exept trinkets

[dire hinge]

it's more that M+ in general varies greatly from dungeon to dungeon, even if you're running with a very consistent team

there's not a great way to replicate that in a sim

[olive nest]

Comparing rings for example; When you sim all of the varying settings you will tend to notice one is particularly good at ST but lacks in AoE, another is the opposite, and then a third will be good at both but slightly behind the other two as far as peak ST or AoE goes.
So it might be better overall to run the one that is more balanced

So you just make a decision based on your situation or goal

[minor gust]

ST and aoe patch work and call it a day

[dim basalt]

@minor gust whats your build for bandit

Since you said you use blord?

[dim basalt]

Giving it a try ty

[olive nest]

The idea behind Colo is to just align demolish with every add spawn to get better add damage right?

[minor gust]

I will hold cs and demo for an upcoming add set yes

15 DFC with slayer

why are ret pallys so bad

[olive nest]

Yo slayer kinda fuks!

[quaint otter]

ass

[vast drum]

holy shit I got like the perfect vault for my needs.All 3 dungeon track items have terts as well

[flat willow]

stop it you fool you're gonna get us nerfed

[minor gust]

reap go brrrrr

[pure otter]

fuck it im trying it 2

go go gadget 13% crit

[minor gust]

I would still do more dmg as colossus

just havin fun

[pure otter]

im just bad at colossus :c

[icy mulch]

Wonder if bladestorm would make you immune to the overseers big stomp.

[minor gust]

it does

[icy mulch]

Damn, now that makes it worthwhile.

[serene hollow]

Believe demolish does as well fwiw

[pure otter]

quick link the tallent page :p or just the one off of wowhead

[halcyon gulch]

What's the build for the slayer DFC? - nvm me find i stupid

[magic canopy]

that reap buff tho

[still fox]

whats the play with sparks craft 681 weapon?

[magic canopy]

hmmge

[hollow axle]

Is there a blue post saying gilded crests will be uncapped?

All i see is a wowhead article..

[olive nest]

Tonks getting owned!

[minor gust]

yeah reap on big pulls fucks

[wanton sierra]

so slayer new arms meta for m+? heheheh

[icy mulch]

Yeah, I was just thinking about how much Arms suddenly became a funnel class.

[icy mulch]

Surprised deep wounds and roar were that high though.

[olive nest]

What’s boss damage like as slayer

[wanton sierra]

i was watchin critcake and he was triggered by the amount of warriors askin him if slayer is new bis for m+

[halcyon gulch]

It's prolly not BIS but it's pretty freakin' fun lmao

Hitting dummys has all the little neurons firing

[wanton sierra]

yes it must be cool, i miss bladestorm

i shall try it out

[still fox]

can we all crafted items make 681? or only one?

[vast drum]

Would yall take a myth head from vault even tho first boss of mythic drops one to cat? Beats out other upgrades by 5k for both specs, but I have mythic reverb and mythic cinder neck in my vault that are tempting af (esp cinder neck with tert)

[pure otter]

ty! i was not close at all

[olive nest]

If slayer does a decent amount more boss damage vs Colo might be a solid option

[minor gust]

another 15 dfc

[olive nest]

[slow saddle]

Destroyed by shaman?

[olive nest]

Imagine that

[smoky kayak]

it plays, but it's still not particularly "great"

[minor gust]

yeah ofc shamans a buddy of mine hes a gamer

this rando ret pally that we kept tho holy so bad

[slow saddle]

Wth happened to mr ret?

[delicate mulch]

damn the dps is so low??

[minor gust]

wait oops

that other one was boss dmg

[olive nest]

That was probably a boss yeah?

[delicate mulch]

Better lol

[slow saddle]

So shaman wins aoe and st

Yay

[smoky kayak]

main thing is the buff just makes Slayer good enough to create some more variety for people tired of playing Colossus - which is fine, I mean that's a healthy choice

[minor gust]

if I was on my ret I would shit on his shaman

but hey this is the brown class day

[slow saddle]

Ret got 6% st as well

[minor gust]

that ret was 672 3 ilvls higher than mine

and yet this guy is doing no dmg

crazy for how braind dead that spec is

[olive nest]

Is it still hammer every 30 seconds divine storm spam?

[minor gust]

yee

your just mashing divine storm all day love when I get procs on procs and tier set proc hit divine storm 12 times in a row

the dopamine spike is nice

[slow saddle]

How did most boss fights look?

[minor gust]

idk really DFC is a bad dungeon for bosses

[slow saddle]

True

[olive nest]

Compare ML bosses

The damage boost bosses get smoked as Colo

Wonder how slayer compares

[slow saddle]

Demo into amp❤️

Wait how do we pick up throw( the anti shield one)

[icy mulch]

Maybe sim a pt out of tactician and into crit? Since it actually uses more execute. Just an idea.

[minor gust]

I had a shaman but even with hitting execute I never rage starved

[icy mulch]

I was thinking for the extra execute crit damage.

[slow saddle]

U did play dreadnaught for aoe

[minor gust]

yeah DN for the Cleave > OP > MS prio

[slow saddle]

Hmm ye so aoe rotation is cleave>op>ms

[minor gust]

both keys DN did around 4% its not bad

[slow saddle]

I mean soa is big

Im sad that its a choice node

[minor gust]

it is but I just want more aoe

[slow saddle]

But i get it its actually a good choice

I was just thinkin due to oppertunist

[minor gust]

Sim wise this build is doing more ST than colossus

[slow saddle]

I hope a lot more

[minor gust]

so dont feel I need the st of SOA

[nova marsh]

Is colossus ST still hot trash kinda?

[minor gust]

its not trash

but its nothing special

[slow saddle]

Ye unless u got amp phases😆

Or pad adds😆

[nova marsh]

Mid

[minor gust]

Finally get to do a rookery on the warrior since 11.1.5 dropped

time to see how much wrecking throw does

[nova marsh]

The answer is not a lot probs

[olive nest]

Bout one giga million

[rough sluice]

havent timed a single io key in 2 weeks

[dire hinge]

mood

[nova marsh]

Same

Cuz i haven't been playing

[minor gust]

the trick is to not pug

and your mental will be great

[nova marsh]

Between work and pugs i think murder is legal

I mean wha

[rough sluice]

I dont have another option than reroll or quit

[nova marsh]

Reroll best option

Be a lust or brez class

[rough sluice]

these 12s arent even hard and everyone is giga ilvl now

[minor gust]

I just dont do keys If I dont have a grp

ill just do weekly vault keys

[rough sluice]

I wanted 3k for the mount but idk at this point

[nova marsh]

I'm 3 keys away from 3k

And I kinda don't wonna

[olive nest]

Nah don’t give up you got it ez!

[spiral coral]

This week has me confused on what to do with upgrades or crafting. I guess I’ll do, nothing?

[pure otter]

10 cindi (please ignore the aug)

i think i suck at hitting cleave but mabn is this spec fun

[nova marsh]

Nothing is probally best

[dim basalt]

Ok but whats the dps

MS 1st in a dungeon like cinder sounds bad

[nova marsh]

Imagine not having a deva

[spiral coral]

They’re in slayer so idk

[pure otter]

i was very raged starve and had no idea what i was doing, 10/10 spec

[nova marsh]

That's slayer?

[pure otter]

Sussy slaya

[nova marsh]

Honestly....not terrible

[pure otter]

it felt fun asd fuck

just shitting out cleaves like i was in tbc

[spiral coral]

I haven’t been able to run slayer today

[pure otter]

also dosent helpo that i am full mastery

[spiral coral]

Gonna run it next

[pure otter]

so solid 12% crit

[dim basalt]

Thats kinda bad ngl

[pure otter]

ty!

[dim basalt]

Not saying youre bad

But thats just not a lot of dps in cinder

Especially with an aug

[pure otter]

t....y?

[pure otter]

my boss damage was around the same as yours 2

great so now i need to learn how it works on adds, ty for the build tho, much fun

probably 50% aug

[robust cypress]

If you guys do both raiding and M+, would you go AotD enchant or Council's Guile?

for your weapon

[spiral coral]

AotD but you can sim it

[robust cypress]

aotd sims better for st
Council's guile sims better in m+

[dim basalt]

Get me out of oab prison

[robust cypress]

fight got nerfed

[dim basalt]

im eu

[minor gust]

reported for playing with an aug but uh yeah cleave on cd but hard to tell it was only a 10 after all

[pure otter]

yeah sorry :c dont worry someoen better will do the build and have more relevent info and probably some logs rather then just a snip of details like its 2008

Comooon critcake

[minor gust]

free 9 mil dmg per shield

[pure otter]

/dab

[minor gust]

lil 15 rookery slayer action

I didnt really feel like potting this run prob should have

[sage badge]

Slayer arms owns

[minor gust]

you gonna do some for fun slayer keys Deswind

[sage badge]

[minor gust]

looking at reap dmg is really funny on large pulls

watching it beat cleave is a good sight

still shaking off some warrior rust for these keys to much ret brain rot

[dim basalt]

reap being above cleave feels so wrong

[obsidian acorn]

Sims putting it much lower than Col for me, is it actually out performing it?

like enough for me to try a key, and what build are people using?

[minor gust]

colossus still gonna do more dmg

just playing slayer for fun

[obsidian acorn]

I just loaded wowhead build

[minor gust]

dont shoot me

[obsidian acorn]

and its quite a bit behind in multi target sims, ahead st though

[minor gust]

im playing with this should be a lil different than whats on wowhead.

wrecking throw go whack

[olive nest]

Dropped rally!?

[minor gust]

you bet

Overwhelming rage prob fine as colossus but I didnt wanna drop it as slayer

[slow saddle]

Leap?

[minor gust]

tbh now that I think more about it dropping overwhelming is fine as slayer too

[minor gust]

you cant drop leap cdr for it

[slow saddle]

Damn rows

[minor gust]

its alright rally is dog ass

deserves to be dropped in keys

[pure otter]

i drop it for shockwave or longer tclap

[slow saddle]

Y

[pure otter]

rally sucks

nty ill just rezz

[slow saddle]

Less 1 shots

[slim iron]

Arms now s tier let's goooo 👍

[olive nest]

Not even close

[shadow ibex]

Hugs

And huge

[west bronze]

Myth Viscera simming worse than champ mechano core amplifier. Does that seem odd? https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/rVoCQfurPKUE93QRaMEkg3

[humble frigate]

Anyone tried the colossus m+ build and just swapped ravager with bladestorm or is the 30% not enough? Gonna sim when I get home but I imagine it’s not competitive still.

[minor gust]

for colossus it wont even be close If you wanna play with bladestorm just play slayer

[humble frigate]

I figured

[shadow ibex]

Can't press button during bs

No talent to add ticks to it or overwhelmed

[hollow plover]

you simmed 665 viscera

not maxed

[west bronze]

True, I just simmed it at the level I could currently upgrade it to. I figured at 665 it would beat mechano core at 558 though

[fast wharf]

viscera simmed really low last time i checked and mechano core is just really good

[silver mica]

where does this funhouse trinket come from

[minor gust]

delve

[silver mica]

horrible news

[olive nest]

Can’t farm heroic delv items but you can farm heroic mythic plus items

Thanks blizzard really keeping us rained in there

[shadow ibex]

Maybe next tier we can have a 90 second trinket from dungeon

Or just not completely shit dungeon trinket

[hasty lava]

Is it worth taking a myth Cinderbrew wep from vault over a crafted 675 or better to get a S.A.D.?

[olive nest]

One dungeon should have a 90 second on use stat trinket no matter what every season

Even if it’s average

[shadow ibex]

I think delve key system is dumb too

[olive nest]

Yep totally farming keys is super inconvenient but I recognize the content isn’t for me mostly so can’t complain to much

[shadow ibex]

+6 or +7 is heroic gear?

In keys

[olive nest]

6 is 649 gear iirc

But only hero crests

I think 7 is when you get guilded idr honestly

[spiral coral]

I feel like I haven’t gotten any loot worth anything from dungeons all season

[shadow ibex]

It's mostly relevant early on

[olive nest]

Well yeah because the dungeon loot is useless in comparison to raid loot

[shadow ibex]

But there isn't a ton of good loot for us that isn't raid loot