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Yeees remove jug!!
remove jugg and aura buff 
in slayer raid build, is the reason we are prioing overpower resets so highly is because we aren't playing battlelord?
it's because of this hero talent
ur prioing the opportunist proc super high, not the reset
yes i just called it overpower reset, dont really see a difference since i specified slayer raid build but ya. my question still stands. u think opportunist would still make op resets a higher prio than MS if we were playing battlelord
idunno 
maybe u can run a sim with battlelord and try to gleen what its prioing somehow
I would guess that it would come out to about even, +/- a few tenths of a percent whether you prio mortal strike or overpower in that situation
If you are genuinely curious and don't get a more concrete answer, you can go find the arms APL and paste it in the custom APL section and change the sequence yourself if you want to see

Curious but is col gonna use blade storm this coming reset over rav?
Prob not even then. Youll lose cleaves in the smash window.
you could pre cast BS before WB to then use the cleaves during the merciless but then u better off using ravager
maybe if sweeping and unhinged still worked
to get fast demo
still dumb they changed that. wasn't OP at all and if anything let you make cool decisions
If you wanna play Bladestorm, there are some new Slayer cooks in the works, but it's still not gonna be great for Colossus
speaking of the devil would the new slayer "experiment" drop execute talents right?
Juggernaut yes, but the rest are still in play
even EP?
hey guys, bit unsure about crafted weapon embellesment, this is my first crafted
should it be darkmoon one or good to go for dawnthread?
err dont think you can dawntread a weapon
dakmoon for weapon and writhing for the armor piece
when u get a good weapon u change to 2 dawnthread or duskthread
cheers
do you think arms will spec into bladestorm after buff?
no
if dropping jugg is less than 1% dps i will gladly drop it
<1% is your threshold for dropping something? How brave and controversial 
why when i gif search "jug arms" is it sans throwing around a bottle of ketchup
Fellas I need help someone correct me if I am wrong so
1 target MS
2 targets with SS MS
2+ targets cleave
Am I wrong?
Is it possible to macro fun house trinket to any of our spells, or do we need to line up with avatar etc?
just macro it to avatar if you're gonna macro it
Ok
ya
is better than 675 crafted claymore?
A heroic version is not but a myth version will be
Anyone have any suggestions on how to stop staring at my abilities waiting for procs or CDs?
nothing really wrong with looking at your UI as long as you're looking at other things too; it's kinda like driving a car - staring at the road in front of you is bad, but you should still be looking at it regularly
part of that is also just having a good UI setup, so that you can see when things happen without necessarily staring at it and only it
Yeah if you get used to your UI and weakauras you catch a lot of stuff in your peripheral vision
the trick is setting up a UI that lets you see everything easily, without showing you too much excess clutter
the first part is easy, but the second part is where people miss and end up with so much extraneous shit on their screen that it gets in the way of what they actually need to see
Oh a 100% i say to 90% of ppl in my guild dumb down ui, to essentials. And use text to speak or what its called. Data is important but overload is a thing
Especially when the default for boss mods is to beep and boop for every little thing.
Imo the bigger issues come with all the WA clutter on top of it, especially for raiding. Like damn, just import any raiding pack like Northern Sky or Liquid's, there's so much stuff the game does a horrible job at communicating that you're "forced" to use those even if only to cut down a few wipes.
if you're talking about DBM v BW, I've found that by DBM has more stuff on by default that you probably want to turn off and BW has more off by default that you probably want to turn on... but in either case both are fine after a little customization (which you should always do after pulling a boss a few times)
and yeah, the dungeon/raid WA packs are incredibly oversaturated, especially if you're using them on top of DBM/BW
Yeah
there's just a ton of shit you really don't need to see unless you're a RL - like I don't give a shit who gets targeted by X, I only care if I do
Well yeah that's also true, I'm the RL so my screen looks like a spaceship cockpit at times
the same applies to class UI as well, a lot of people track excess shit that they really don't need to see
my tank has, no shit, 3 separate bone shield charges WA on his screen at the same time 
Lmao
I've seen those
Then again I've also seen people that say "I want to use just the minimum" and then keep forgetting to press their buttons and do nothing to fix it...
but yeah, figuring out what you actually need to see, vs what you tend to ignore, makes a world of difference
or hear - audio alerts are amazing, until you end up with so many that they either drown each other out or you start ignoring them because they're not actually all that important
A lot of class weak auras tend to show too many things as well. Especially when it is made by someone who doesn't play the class
I feel like audio alerts hindered me overall as a player (my fault). I got used to it too much, and stopped reading what is being cast above ads heads.
I think it could be really helpful in moderation
Been something I’ve been focusing on more to improve. Sounds simple, but, it was a nuisance I noticed about my gameplay.
I’ve turned off any voice packs for about a week now, the one thing that stood out most was not being told to interrupt. Which, I thought would hurt, but realized it taught me to interrupt immediately and not maybe wait to see if someone else is going to pick it up so we don’t overlap because they’re probably hearing the same voice from their add on lol (pugs).
the trick with audio alerts is consistency - you want to try to the same sounds for the same type of things
For example
- using ka-ching for your SD/BT/whatever important rotational alert
- using airhorn for your "holy shit move now" alert
- using BADADUM for your "press a defensive now" alert
when you mix and match those things, it really starts to muddle what is important and why
that's one criticism I have with a lot of boss mods, they sometimes pick sounds kinda randomly without too much consistency between them
the other thing is just not over using them; again having too many means you just tend to start to ignore them - they should be for important and irregular things
The add on talk made me do a lot of self reflection 😂
“Wait do I really need this shit”
“Is my hand being held”
Type questions.
back when I was doing a lot of coaching, UI was one of the first things I'd always go over
because you can point out rotational mistakes, but it helps a lot more if you can find the underlying reason that people are making them, and distraction is often a big one
I use Doctorios UI and have all bars hidden in combat
sorry to hear that
Definitely being handheld. I recently installed wow again and I didn't have any add-ons on for some reason. And I felt 'blind' to mechanics and now I got all the usual add-ons and I feel it's Hella cluttered 😂 but I can 'see' more now iykwim
Am I being told to get Luxthos
I actually use Luxthos weakauras but still turn off and delete a bunch of stuff
I think he has decent packs but he clearly doesn't play every class so you tend to have things being tracked that don't need to be
One thing I like about Doctorio is they seem to have one for every spec and it’s quite consistent and I play a shit ton of alts so that’s why I like it
Ok Luxthos is super clean I gotta admit
Why is ToP Decapitator axe BiS in guides? Secondary stats? Won't any 2h weapon work?
why is house of cards bis? wont any trinket work?
yea you are right any work
but some have better stats than others
Clean but full of bloat
How many sparks available rn?
5.5 sparks I believe
30% on reap
Exactly


baldestrom toggle button when
Baldstorm kek
it turned out even better unintentionally
lmao imagine if you could use all your abillities while bladestorming and it was like breath/divine hammer would be funny watching the bladestorm animation go for like 30 seconds while your doing all your shit
baldstorm pov
Imagine warbreaking during it with that dumb af old animation on like 15 mobs so you just become a giga spiked beyblade
FPS go bye bye
Haha
Hello! Has anyone simulated or tested the DPS difference between the Slayer Battlelord and Colossus builds after buffing in BS and Reap the Storm in M+?
I can tell you colossus is still giga far ahead in m+

and it should be, tbh buff collosus
or buff bleeds enough for collosus to be bis st as wel
More like that talent needs to be removed and replaced with something that has nothing to do with bleeds
lots of talents needs removed/reworked
You mean in 20.2
wow or I will be dead by then so I hope not
tbh i do agree, i just would like 1 tier of collosus being the better raid spec as well
i do not enjoy the juggernaut juggle
If that was the case you might as well remove slayer
agreed. remove slayer
for 1 season is that so bad? collosos was basicly gone season 1
remove jugg and replace with DF season 3 tier and Slayer would be fine
removing jugg is fine for arms. slayer for fury still has problems
tho that could be solved by nerfing raging blow
Honestly I don't think ashen is as bad as actual jug
nerfing raging blow or nerfing/reworking slaughtering strikes
Fury needs god though
no. the problem with slayer for fury is not execute or ashen jugg
Fury is quite fine imho
it's raging blow
maybe not give RB 2 fucking things that buffs
Just make fury play s3 style
no need for slam, just leave empty keybind
like in legion
raging blow would be fine if it didnt buff 2 things
So they afk half the fight
Gotcha
ye either slaugthering or bt buff
not both
i still think playstyle is fine even if rb is whack
Scratch that, meant Flow of spec
for the most part yeah i agree. i don't really like the press as many rbs as possible after bladestorm thing. but that is a small optimization and for some fights not even the play.
just let execute give slaughtering strikes for furry
make arms jugg 5 stacks(just like furry) or remove it(compensate execute base dmg by a bit) and introduce another talent
is there any cap for crit/haste i should stop at and start getting mastery instead?
nahh, you just sim yourself
ok because many seem to have around 20% haste and started gemming mastery etc.
thanks for info
Rb buffing both rampage and bt is a sin
Wtf is tww fury
God I'm glad I'm not a war
Thanks
Fury needs a tone down on its buffs from buttons to others sorta like mp got.
Honestly do wish they would do something with Avatar and reck make them cooldowns to each spec while making them more interesting
Both cds while short feel pretty boring
Arms needs a whole new cd while fury strictly keeps recklessness
Demolish being a channel is kinda aids tho tbh, or at least the slow movespeed is
Avatar should stay as the universal cd
We got one it's called demolish
somehow the better designed spec. why do i have to enjoy this class the most, it's so objectively flawed
Hi, extremely new warrior player trying to learn arms. Quick question about M+ rotation:
While sweeping strikes is up, is it better to do Mortal strike/ST rotation rather than spam cleave? I was a bit uncertain after reading the wowhead multitarget priority list since it just says cleave to apply deep wounds
with ss up on 2 targets ms>op>cleave. on 3 or more targets cleave>ms>op
Very helpful, thank you!
How big of a loss is macro'ing Warbreaker and Avatar together in M+?
It's gonna be much more awkward and put you in situations where you don't use wb because you don't wanna use avatar
It’s not a loss if you have another bind for just wb
I'd advice against it
It’s good for an opener macro if you wanna pop everything
Judging by the question I'm assuming he's going for less buttons, not more :d
its fine if you want an opener macro with ava and WB but yeah you would still want a seperate bind for just WB
I know it's not advised, I always forget to push Avatar if I unbind them b/c I've ran them as a macro for SO long
break habits
just break the habits
Muscle memory hard lol
if your not doing high level content just send it who cares play whats comfy to you
we all had to switch up some of our muscle memory due to balance changes from s1 to s2
opener changes or whatever similar
such is life
I have 2 15's left lol 😅
break the habits
Do you ever save Avatar for Collat or use it with only WB?
I mean if you can align collat with multiple cds thats better than just one
theres no hard rule on how to use collateral because its very situation dependent
a decent amount of time i stack up collat pre cds. like if i can hit something whilst the tank is pulling
we should have the same
Same what
I suspect it would just end up being “we blizzard, feel warrior is in a good place and are changing nothing really.”
me when they have this for every class
God I can't wait to see the 11.2 ptr notes and read we feel warrior is in a good place again
Can't today unfortunately gonna be busy all day and then I got raid tonight.
no
you remove avatar, you make tactician proc colossus smash
you bring back battle cry
voilà
if you feel extra spicy, make overpower cost 50 rage and just kill everything around you ala storm of sword
Keep avatar
I love avatar
it's fine, but people might complain if we have avatar and battle cry
and I prefer battle cry
how do you generate rage
outside of autos
if you make overpower cost 50 rage
then you gain rage from autos only
and charge
they can always make autos give more rage to balance it out
Yoyo rage
we don't really generate rage from anything but charge and autos now either. it's just that overpower doesn't cost rage
yea
but if our costs increase
Well gives rage last 35%
Question about rotation. I generally do cleave-TC-TR-SS-Ravager-Warbreaker w/ Avatar-Cleave/MS-Demolish and priority rotation after that. Should I be holding Ravager so that Merciless bone grinder lines up with the big cleave after SS ends?
If it lines up with a pull or what ever yes
i assume you know to demolish at 10 stacks and not to force it after those button presses..right?
I’ve read it’s ok to use at 6 or 7 stacks at the beginning of a dungeon and then at 10 after that
So I don’t wait for 10 stacks with the first one
you can demolish at 8/9 stacks while ravager is running because the auto-casted mortal strike from unhinged will give you the last stacks of colossal might during the demolish cast
6 to 7 stacks? no
where did you read that
thats different and very obviously not what he is referring to
6 7 if st
thats also not what he's referring to
I meant thats only time u send a 6 or 7?
fair
should theoritically never have 6/7 stacks at that time. but sometimes someone dies or you die etc
I’ve heard Critcake and biz both say that
i guarantee you critcake did not say that
ive never heard or seen that
crit stacks his colossal might to 10 pre-key
Only ever refering to st 100%
idk about biz
It would only ever be at the start of a key
on dungeon pull? you sure you haven't heard him say in a "what if scenario"? like if cs is about to run out and you're at 6/7 stacks you send. but that should never happen
coz you stack it so fast in aoe
and there are no dungeons where you immideately go boss
there's always aoe at the beginning
except for one dungeon which is an aoe boss
yea sure, that point is kind of pedantic tho. since you stack so fast on that boss as well
ye
point is - you shouldnt ever send demolish on dungeon start at 6 or 7 stacks
big no no
i have a question @undone ibex do you prio overpower on aoe over ms? coz that is the only way i can see only getting 6 or 7 stacks
Go watch Biz’a Xolossus Arms guide. For AoE rotation, he literally says do your opener then send demolish, you’ll be around 6-7 stacks
Now the bud is 6 weeks old so that may have changed
timestamp?
i mean that is what he says. then he proceeds to press it at 10 stacks
literally right after
prob misspoke
no he said he presses it ASAP when he isnt getting Cleave or MS resets, which is simply not good to do lol
Im sure he's doing it differently nowadays
but that is an inaccuracy
Well I took it to mean 10 stacks is ideal but don’t sit on it too long to 6-7 is ok
Ok well thats good to know
he also said to open tclap and optionally cleave to get deep wounds going
not entirely accurate
you wanna cleave for deepwounds AND to get colossal might going or to extend colossal might
Yea I always cleave first
some exceptions not mentioned in this are things like how you can have a big cleave available on boss fights or whatever
👍🏻 perfect thanks!
i also just noticed that this prios overpower over MS in aoe
eh
not the best document
I saw that as well
Was scared to ask ha
I prop MS usually to get Demolish off Cd faster
only for st, on aoe i always do 10
no what I had in mind was if you get terribly unlucky and are at 7 stacks, you lose 3 (30%) warbreaker is also 30%, not accoutning for the 3% dmg dmg taken increase
I assumed that was the case
but tbh this never happens, you have 10 stacks in couple globals alwyas
you should go for 10 stacks anyway
(also ravager stacks it passively so you never have to wait that long)
(additionally the sweeping strikes torment, if played, essentially guarantees having enough cleaves up anyway)
but yea you shouldn't go for 7 stack demolish in aoe if you're unlucky
unless you're padding in low keys of course
not better due to dominance of the colossus
With how confident you are, surely you have mathed it out right
It's a flat 30% dps increase to enemies for 10 seconds after the demolish hit
also demolish itself hits 30% harder
you wanna skip out on 10 seconds of 30% dmg taken debuff so you can cast it during cds?
Where are you taking that number from
Because its not even close to 30%
and youre not getting 0% increase by sending with less stacks
I remember someone thought it was 100%
We wish
that'd give colo arms good raid ST at least
Anyone had an experience with ravager not being reset by rage mastery while being slayer ?
It work when i unlog then relog but it's anoying
May the 4th be with you
calling anger management "rage mastery" is crazy
also no, anger management has consistently reduced ravagers cooldown for me
Ah yeah forget the name i translated it directly from it's french name xD
It work evry time with bladestrom maybe i have a one time bug today or my WA tracking the CD wrong
my condolences
Bs buff waiting room
2 days
When do we send Warbreaker withotu Demolish? or do we ever do that? Do we just wait for demolish coming closer off cd and then send Warbreaker? thx
a few things off, but it's pretty close
yea its p old and mainly taken from madox's old video
How much % AP is bs after Tuesday with max imminent demise
about 30% higher than it is today
I think I might give slayer a try in dungeons (or maybe just one) next week 🤔
answering more specifically - you don't hold cooldowns unless they're a few seconds off, or there's some kind of big damage window to take advantage of (last boss of Rookery, etc)
"by a few seconds" is open-ended for a reason, because there's no exact magic number for anything; it's all circumstantial based on a variety of factors
- how long will the combat last?
- will targets die before the lineup occurs?
- will the delay cost you a use later?
- how soon till the next pack?
- will you be able to build up again for them?
it's very much something you feel out and learn through experience, rather than adhering to a specific "rule"
when in doubt, just send it, but if you can comfortably delay by a few seconds without any negative effects elsewhere, then do so - if it works, cool; if not, know better for next time
In M+, is it better to use demolish right off the bat or wait until 10 stacks? this is mainly for the first pull
ideally you hold for stacks, but like above, it's something that is inherently flexible - if waiting for stacks will cause you to lose damage due to hitting less targets, or cause other buffs to fall off first, it's less likely to be worthwhile
in the end you force demolish regardless of stacks as cs has 2s remaining
assuming you haven't found reason to use it sooner, yeah that's a decent guideline
Wasn’t even my question, but ty for this breakdown
Thanks!
does the buff to Bladestorm mean it's good to use on a Colossus build again or stay Ravager?
Nope Colossus still ravager
Bladestorm would need to be massively buffed and changed to fury bladestorm for that to ever be a thought
Good for who?
Like numbers wise
The degrees of good and bad here are very important. But a good one trick is almost always better
Except possibly at the highest tiers of content. Where I’m assuming you’re at least decent enough to get to
I also assume you’re talking about m+
People good at their spec will always beat shitty fotm rerollers
Because the variance in raid (at least in st) isn’t big enough where being meta will mean you do drastically more
Tbh even in keys that variance isn't that bad unless blizzard completely shot your spec
...like sub
fuck juggernaut
idk what there is to love about slayer these days
theres only physical pain of dealing with the rng that is jugg min maxing
I like the jugg min max mini game tbh
I hate the fact that the rng can just screw you despite playing it well
i think its very very dumb
to be holding global
because sd might proc
feels awful trying to game it to extend
it only feels awful because it's so rng
if you 100% got a proc every ~9 seconds it wouldn't be an issue
i dont see them giving us a guaranteed way to proc SD
if they are hard comitted to 15 stacks and want us to try and maintain it thru an encounter, getting an exe cast/duration extend on BS would go a long way
thats the min max mini game if rng had no place there wouldnt be a mini game
if BS refreshed it or something just random throw that in a slayer talent
if they 1000% want us to have to deal with stacking it 15 times
theres so many different things they can do its just what are they willing to do
thats what i mean if they like the way it is now
a way to guarentee a proc/extend would go a long way
idk you'd have 2 globals to fuck it up
BM hunters do it all the time

i rather it not exist but if it must they can at least make it fun
I rather they remove it all together
idc that they can jugg is cringe
replace it with season 3 df tier
Slayer ruined jugg and now I just want it gone
if it was like max 4/5 stacks that didnt extend sub 35 CS could be fun
but rage also doesnt rlly matter
🤷♂️
BS feels more like a CD now at least
30% of nothing is still nothing
so not much of a cd still
ive been doing slayer keys this week
its crazy how bad that abillity is
with max id like 1800% AP button so as hard as the final hit of demo with max
MS doing more dmg on a trash pull than BS what a world
hey man it's 4% of my single target!
but yea
still p bad
considering 90 sec
30% inc should be 180% ap per hit for 10 hits
can boost to almost 200% AP per tick with culling
honestly surprised this was never added as a talent
set bonus owned
not quite; Bladestorm is usually a lot more, though that's also because Slayer spends more time pressing Cleave and OP
something every arms player can agree on
SD clap seemed so free to add in either tree
it was just a 13 key nothing high but its still funny to see when it happens cuz ive seen it multiple times of MS ending higher than BS at the end of a pull
I play DN too so I prio cleave op
SD clap was great
cant wait tho to see reap do more dmg than cleave on the huge pulls like floodgate and workshop

depends on the size and length of the pull, BS definitely adds up more in bigger pulls though
naturally in longer pulls you just end up casting Mortal Strike way more
yeah I know just saying its funny when I see it happen meanwhile demolish always cranks
oh yeah, demolish is what bladestorm wishes it could be
despite the flaws, I actually enjoy it quite a bit
demolish is fun but slayer is like what I think of as arms
there's room for both, though it feels like it's shared more overlap than Slayer and Thane do for Fury
though the recent move away from Execute and towards Battlelord has helped make Colossus more distinct from Slayer in a very good way
the dmg has worn off for me ive become pretty sick of dealing with demolish now that im pushing keys
they just need to allow full movement man
idk why the hard on for forcing us to stand still
F L A V O R
its not like DH where oh having to cancel eyebeam to live is awful because they already got most of their dmg off
but most of demolishes dmg is the final hit
fist of fury im pretty sure is full movement as well
it is, didn't use to be
used to have to actually be fully standing still
changed in legion iirc
miss old monk man
idk Demolish really needs to be looked at. Yeah its rewarding because it does big dam and that feels good, but that feeling fades, and soon the negatives aspects will outshine any postive
Yea just another one of those things that make brown feel like it's from 2016 not 2025
My resource bar doesn't even matter 
rage whats that
sorry you didnt get any slayers strikes or SD procs your 14 stack jugg fell off as the boss hits 36%
just bring back pre DF resource economy 🙂
what rage economy?
it was the same thing lol
we didn't care about rage
SL was rage starved af, what expansion were you playing? lol
he said he preferred DF rage economy
And I'm saying it was literally the same thing as it is currently
rage is mostly meaningless
both were mentioned, and I was obviously responding to the former (since you said "bring back pre-DF economy" which sucked hard)
but yes, DF was far worse in terms of not caring about the resource than current
I'd prefer to actually have a chance to overspend rage and just not be able to press MS on CD
I'd prefer to actually have a chance to push my buttons instead of being limited by artificial scarcity
there's nothing engaging about wanting to push buttons and not being able to
you certainly could, but Rage does matter - it may not matter much and it may not always be limited, but it absolutely does run out at times
Pov you get 5 EB resets
PoV you're in Execute
if we're going to have the resource I'd like to actually have it be something that matters
PoV you're playing Colossus
yeah you made that point, but I'm going to also respond by also saying the same thing I just said
there's nothing engaging about wanting to push buttons and not being able to```
Playing without EP, I felt that Colossus' moments of being out of rage were incredibly infrequent compared to Slayer
Arms was the last spec that had an actual auto attack resource economy in the game and that kinda went out the window with DF
well ofc it is, because without EP you're not pressing Execute 
Correct :3
Didn't feel EP was ever necessary anyway as Colossus
(I also didn't do anything above +10s)
Blizzard tried the "resource starved" version of Arms every expansion from WoD through Dragonflight, and it was hated every time. Every single one of those expansions, they ramped its action economy (repeatedly) over several patches
I understand SL was pretty bleh without WFT, but that didn't mean we had to go to the complete opposite end of the spectrum
ugg 7% OAB wipe
My main problem with SL arms came down mostly to balancing
not the resource economy
its not the same not even close DF had you actually care about spending rage you had things like SOS WW and IP
TWW rage you genuinly dont give a shit at all
you meaning caring about pressing IP to get more CDR but not because it actually did anything else?
maybe fine for you, but a very common complaint throughout the expansion was the poor resource economy - especially if you didn't happen to have an Enh Sham
The only way that concept works is if you have checks in both directions
- a way to overspend rage
- buttons that can still be used without rage
even then, it's pretty tricky to pull off
that said, most resources these days aren't really action-limiting resources anymore
guys im just catchin up my warr. The weapon craft embellishment should be the same for arms and fury?
yeah because most specs have become very very similar builder spender specs
granted an OP charge and counted towards TOM and gave CDR
yeah and we just had so much rage we couldn't spend it purely on globals
that's the only reason it became a rotational button
all we needed was a better way to spend that rage which there was so many way they could of accomplished this
instead they did the TWW changes
which accomplished nothing
and made things worse
largely feels the same resource wise imo
although honestly fuck cleave give me SoS back
again not the same because we cared about rage spending even tho our options for it sucked
I member the good ol days where we got to cast one ability every three globals during the first tier and literally couldn't Heroic Strike queue away the rage by the third tier
like when
we've always had either taste for blood or CS resets
might have had both in mop idr all 3/4 iterations of arms
I think that fits wod and only wod
when they removed every ability and you were just pressing mortal strike and whirlwind
well heroic strike was removed from everything but prot so not wod
wait I'm dumb he said heroic strike queue so that can only be between vanilla to wotlk, but rage was pretty generous in all 3 expansions imo
No fun for brown man. Back to work!!
huge
We all brown men here brother, it not about race it about class
some of us are red men
(there's actually a lot of pink men in the warrior discord)
stinky paladins, I hate them so much...
lock in
it might be a slayer swap angle time
its time
kill it
nooo
sucks but it dies next week without a doubt
Just got to get that 99 next time and its dead
i never understood why demolish is not on angermangment
you either wait for warbreaker or if you get it super early using SS you still dont use it and wait for Warbreaker
sometimes you want to fit 2 avatars in the remaining of a boss fight and you have to wait for demlolish Cd and potentially lose an entire avatar. and if you playing with warlord's torment its even worse
it would still desync unless they removed the CDR component from CM which is a valid route to go down but they would need to find another way to give us a benefit while were at max stacks and demolish is still on cd
ofc they need to remove CDr from colossal might
theres many different ways they could fix this issue
its just are they willing to do the work and try
which we have no control over
and its so Rng aswell, based on battlelord, EB and actual mortal strike crits
i once used warbreaker at 12 second remaining on demolish still couldnt get it in
thats how unlucky i was
last hit wasnt in CS
welcome to arms we gotta get ass fucked by rng one way or another
colossus is no where near as bad as jug in raid
depends
I started OAB playing Jug colossus and trying to get good demo timings was complete rng. Swapping to Blord significantly helped but theres still a layer of rng to get good timings
well it was to push colossus to use Blord instead and it did bring it closer
it just needed a lil more love
yeah but i dont like playing blord all the time
why it fits colossus perfectly while slayer has more emphasis on execute
slayer is aids cuz jug exists
TWW had some improvements to arms which were great but now that were almost a year in or something to TWW I miss DF arms so much
SD, Demolish (even with all the negative aspects its a decent addition), TOM being dead, Being able to kick and stun in BS, Hurricane gone, Blademasters torment change, Shockwave being easily grabable, stam node easy to get, and im sure theres more thats not instantly coming to my mind
they killed warlords torment though
yeah im sad about that a long with the death of SOS and SOA and FB being seperated into two talents there were some bad changes
that doesnt mean there were no good changes
thats not how this works
shockwave being easier to grab means nothing because no one is bringing us more often
bevause of cc
ok?
so they should have left shockwave at the bottom then
that doesnt make any sense
i just want damage man

considering there was a time on beta where we had double bladestorm in slayer
pretty degen
it was ava casting bs right
yes
it was funny but yeah you were constantly spinning
cs exe exe bs exe exe ms
that would kinda own though
one big execute
er
ms
wait
nvm
did we ever play around fatality in df
considering it just scaled with str no not really
you could try and line it up with TOM but it just wasnt worth and didnt matter
the only good one was smolderan
whats Hurricane
i dont think i was good at arms back then
bs was uncancelable
gave % str every second
and lasted for 6s after
was really strong
hm
Would make BS feel less bad to press
led to some cringe buff min maxing in M+ and made BS bad to press
because it would be tuned so low
oh
because its tuned around hurricane existing
yeah
fair
eh it was cringe especially playing with double BS
sending ava at the start to get the BS buff then sending cds and then extending the hurricane buff
i wanna see if i can find a log of me playing arms in keys

surely, before tomorrow, blizz will add some additional last minute war buffs
the dream is I should be able to blast cds on a 20-30 second aoe pull and BS is my top dmg

BS should be doing more dmg than demolish in aoe on the principle its a longer cd
It would be enough if bladestorm didnt suck complete ass in 2T scenarios ngl
I did some +13-14 keys as slayer this week, when I pressed bs on 10 targets... idk man... if not for overwhelmed stacks, i would have cancelled BS 0.5 seconds in to get bonegrinder and press abilities which do dmg
idk man im a stoner my memory doesnt do well past 6 months looks fine for a single BS build besides late on first TC and WW and SS
6 months is good
i never played old blademasters bc i just played wtv critcake played
I cant even do 3 without being a stoner
what's the fury opener for amirdrassil
I didnt play warrior in DF
I played a lot of double BS back in season 1 of DF I cant remember when in season 4 we started seeing double bladestorm again as an option
Started playing it this S1
Because our raid needed one
And now we cant get another warrior to join because everyone who joins wants to be in the main roster during prog lmao
Delusional people everywhere
If you wanna raid mythic theres no way around it tho
yeah but they prob just perform worse
You need to have at least 25 peeps
And warrior is just not good enough to bring 2 every single fight
yeah ik but theres also tons of casual CE guilds recruiting. Its not hard to try and find one that will guarantee you a spot in prog most of the time(cuz need a buff or something) so you can prove your self to be a really good player and then your never ever sat for prog because your good at the game
reck charge of spear ramp ava bb ramp bb ramp bb
oh thats riaggt
i forgor
i miss it
oh nah
im looking at a 99 smolderon i got
huge
smoldy was different because you wanted to send your cds immediatly so it aligned with the burn phase
guys these are my stats what can i improve or what would you improve
Sim it
simply looking at stats doesn't help anyone. Stat weights aren't as accurate as a simulation checking if an item is better. You might think that crit and haste >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for arms but mastery haste items often beat crit haste items for example. Just sim it :)
needs to be updated for this patch
Will be accurate again with next squish
i dont think there will be an ilvl squish until we hit 1k ilvl again
or did they announce something?
We def get a number squish next expansion
That's announced
Just assumed ilvl goes with it
But I guess it doesn't have to
🤔
this is my arm stats

what about leg stats
yeah cant forget leg day
man im half an hour late to post this
its so over
For the new buff any current Arms build change?
no
Why does a buff always have to change builds
to make the difference between slayer and colossus less
ok how much diff from the slayer and colossue after the change?
Still too much in aoe if theres meaningful aoe
cant give you a number right now chefs still cookin
I say keep buffin slayers m+ capabilities. Next buff collosus st capabilities
ty
your welcome go get em tiger
anything similar to wowanalyzer to get a quick overview on what youre doing wrong?
oh it does
ah great!
it worked for 11.1 and just didnt get updated for 11.1.5 but nothing changed for arms
so its pretty hard to keep up with it
kk
I think Bigbowl maintains it
Big Bowels
if I want to play bladestorm centered build without inting too hard in dps in m+_
should i go
arms or fury slayer
Well considering how down bad fury is in the eyes of the avg player your only option is arms
i mean you are choosing a handicap already so there is no good answer, whatever you like to play more, can even be non slayer with bladestorm
Tbh you'd probally be better off just going with BS colo
Nah that sounds way worse
I mean you're handicapping yourself no matter what
hello, for the rotation, do we fish for 2 overpower or just use it on cd
As in like
the buff?
For MS and Cleave?
the overpower buff is a nice luxury, but you dont fish for it no. You do, however, want to avoid wasting a stack of the buff
ooh i see thanks!

do you guys know any guild recruitment discords
i wanna try my hand at mythic raiding but its so hard to find a spot
im NA
da muggie
Can you buy the myth track dungeon trinkets on alts if you’ve cleared 12s on your main👀?
no one knows
They might not even know, dinars are a conspiracy. Thanks for responding folks 🙂
just pretend dinars are fake news
I missed that news, adding m+ trinkets to the chips.
they didn't specify, which means probably not
Love the alt restrictions, now the team mates who geared alts for bandit don’t want to play them because it’ll brick their dinar purchases 🙃
i think it should be account wide but then every alt has a hoc
maybe they shoulda been only for final seasons forever cuz now its just stupid
Yeah I’m not really sure what the best answer is but kind of a let down as is
And I’m not someone who’s negatively effected by it at all
I just recognize others concerns or whatever
i think it does mean something that in 11.1.7 someone who is playing the game mashing 1 button rotation helper can buy a heroic jastor without ever setting foot in the raid ever
like that's pretty crazy imo
its pretty accessible
And with that in mind does it really matter if they get the mythic version
thought you still needed to clear on at least normal to buy the hero track?
gotcha
So full lfr clear ez
not even lfr
People don’t even have to enter the raid anymore for heroic versions?
purchasing heroic track dungeon or raid trinkets will have no requirement other than the currency cost
all you need to do is get the currency
depends on distance to the heads
closer you are, faster they land
had no chance of moving this time 😄
ones near the floating heads are virtually instant
aah ok
Yeah the “safe” spot is a pretty solid option
goodie then i know 🙂
usually tank moves him near safe spot
Eh it's a who cares moment it's just heroic raid loot
yea but we're also people who mythic raid
Yeah and we'll earn the mythic version
still an MMO where you can walk up and buy like the second best loot without walking in to the raid
its super generous
i think ppl lose sight of that at least raiders
Hello everyone, new of this patch Sorry for the stupid question but Is It Better arms or Fury right now? I saw that Fury has more sustained aoe dmg but then i see a lot more arms Warrior in keys for example, thank you
no
so does everyone else
tbh mugz prisons are pretty chill, since you don't need to ever do spears
how is one button rotation for other specs btw? personally I feel like ~25% less dmg for spamming one button is a bit too good, would rather see it around 50%
first prison spears, if assigned on the right side, let's me keep uptime on boss
Unless you break em too early, no?
don't?
Its not very easy to break them early as a solo dps
so tell whoever is wailing on your add to cut it out!
Gosh darn padders and their 99 logs
im being treated like a 2nd class citizen
wait for it...
mage says one thing and they are immediately adjusting
i say anythign "will it wipe us? no? then we wont change it."
You're there too damage as a warrior
Nothing else
We dont have a contributing voice
you're a warrior - you hit one target at a time, can't do any special tech, and don't bring any particular value beyond a simple buff
so is mage
you are a second class citizen
Yeah but mages get fun reworks every 2-3 months
mages can do useful things on that fight
are you talking about them spreading ignite?
Cause damage isnt needed in the prisons, if thats what you mean
our mages are only training the boss, not assigned to any other mechanic
velf or heroic leap out brother
im assigned to be the one killing the goon my brother
and we're likely killing tonight as well
arms killing goons KEKW, have fun 3rd phase
I mean 2nd
completely rips all my cd timings
i also dont know why they change the assignment on the 3rd day of prog
so arbitrary
eh not really
hey everyone, is kezan still bis for arms?
for long fights in mythic ye
what about dungeons?
never was
so its pacemaker?
you lose too many stacks between running yo upretty much have to chainpull the entire dungeon if you want it to be good
that makes sense
What can and what can't be parried with Die by the Sword? I know all melee hits, but does that include tank buster hits like the first priory boss?
There’s no common list, just depends on how the ability works
Is there a rule of thumb? My question was about Pierce Armor from Dailcry. This shit busts our tank and I was wondering if I could help out by taunting and parrying for 8 sec
The ability is purely physical damage
if it's physical damage and looks like a direct attack, then it's probably parryable
but it also just might not be
Is the ravager slayer build still worth considering over BS on after the buff even if we talkng minor numbers
on like a mugzee or bandit
na it was already behind; the only place it has any real value is if you really wanna hard focus Execute at the expense of overall damage
which isn't really worth it in most situations; Mugz was the most obvious usecase, but many groups are moving towards the 4m strat now, which weights more damage back into the early parts of the fight rather than just the end of it
I ended up using it on first kill of Bandit because we held dam. and adds where no issue despite colossus being so much fun
good point on the 4 heal we are doing that
Yeah I was gonna say you could maybe do it for Bandit, but I feel like with all the damage inflation flying around, it's kind of outmoded even there
Yea ill go BS. TY.
my rlead told me that he has no clue how warrior works and that he assigned me to prisons because he thought im good at killing goons as arms + i can easily switch targets
i think im just gonna go fury at this rate
im slaving up in here
cages are actually good for stacking Jugg
The small downtime while positioning inside the prison has let me drop jugg multiple times over
:/
2nd prison, specifically
skill issue
sudden death procs are a true skill issue indeed
im already maximizing optime as much as possible
i need jugless slayer cook
uptime*
throw out an Execute on Mugz to eat any remaining stacks before going in, even if it's not a 3x or is an early refresh and you're fine
i need jug deleted
amen
already doing that whenever possible
sometimes there simply isn't an SD proc to use
thats when you explode
then the issue isn't the cage, it's just normal SD proc rng
I am coping hard that if i stayed on boss during those last 2 seconds (instead of positioning to my assigned prison) that I'd get an SD proc
yes
yes
New to warrior. On this weakaura the bar under rend fills up. Can anyone tell me what that's indicating?
swing timer maybe
If its quick it's a swing timer for sure.
probably; I'm guessing you could probably just open the WAs and look through them
as long as the naming convention is halfway decent, it'll probably be spelled out somewhere
Was watching a video with someon using it so couldn't check
But swing timer makes the most sense
Let’s see..
Jug bad
The end
Arms owns.
will be one of the later ones

lust on wishlist
hold your breath
you got it boss tell me when I can breathe again

I’m genuinely excited.

Arms owns.
🙏
not sure yall took that the way it was intended, but glhf

yeah tell them they need to put shockwave back at the bottom of the class tree
No no just more dam
I think jugg needs to be removed or longer duration
also change the target cap of our fear to 1 target 5 is just too op
Solo arms warr player been playing wow 3 months first time doing m+ this season just hit 3k! woo


invites were a struggle at times haha but i got there in the end
gg
Gg!!
Invites are always the rougher part


kinda unrelated to warrior but does anyone know how much damage the raid hot sauce that we get in two weeks is?
2
raid hot sauce?
right now 0
in two weeks we get some strange raid hot sauce on hit damage proc that scales with consumables
does it taste good?
I want some strange raid hot sauce on hit damage proc that scales with consumables
just remember if the guy giving you the strange raid hot sauce takes you to a van run away
After our initial opener and we have CD's on cooldown are there any CD's we should absolutely save? Or are there some we should use on CD regardless of the big opener?
MugZee is fun
cds on cd
can hold bs if cs is or avatar is close
We did not kill Mugzee tonight people (ranges) keep dying after the 40% intermission during mine soaks.
Legit didnt have a single try with at least 18 people alive

we found out one player only soaked a total of 10 mine soaks all night while everyone else was in the 200s and 300s




