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candid pecan
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ty

slow saddle
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Yeees remove jug!!

candid pecan
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remove jugg and aura buff okayge

somber geyser
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dudes i just got fondled in a key

shut hound
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in slayer raid build, is the reason we are prioing overpower resets so highly is because we aren't playing battlelord?

candid pecan
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it's because of this hero talent

somber geyser
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ur prioing the opportunist proc super high, not the reset

shut hound
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yes i just called it overpower reset, dont really see a difference since i specified slayer raid build but ya. my question still stands. u think opportunist would still make op resets a higher prio than MS if we were playing battlelord

somber geyser
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idunno huh

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maybe u can run a sim with battlelord and try to gleen what its prioing somehow

serene hollow
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I would guess that it would come out to about even, +/- a few tenths of a percent whether you prio mortal strike or overpower in that situation

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If you are genuinely curious and don't get a more concrete answer, you can go find the arms APL and paste it in the custom APL section and change the sequence yourself if you want to see

cosmic fossil
grave mulch
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Curious but is col gonna use blade storm this coming reset over rav?

shadow ibex
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No

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Maybe in a 30 second sim it would be more burst

grand idol
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Prob not even then. Youll lose cleaves in the smash window.

shadow ibex
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Yea

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Maybe some guy gas enough haste to make it a 4 second channel

kind thunder
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you could pre cast BS before WB to then use the cleaves during the merciless but then u better off using ravager

shadow ibex
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maybe if sweeping and unhinged still worked

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to get fast demo

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still dumb they changed that. wasn't OP at all and if anything let you make cool decisions

smoky kayak
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If you wanna play Bladestorm, there are some new Slayer cooks in the works, but it's still not gonna be great for Colossus

kind thunder
smoky kayak
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Juggernaut yes, but the rest are still in play

kind thunder
tight frost
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hey guys, bit unsure about crafted weapon embellesment, this is my first crafted

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should it be darkmoon one or good to go for dawnthread?

fathom shoal
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err dont think you can dawntread a weapon

kind thunder
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when u get a good weapon u change to 2 dawnthread or duskthread

tight frost
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cheers

waxen root
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do you think arms will spec into bladestorm after buff?

tacit crystal
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no

rare kite
smoky kayak
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<1% is your threshold for dropping something? How brave and controversial DogeLaugh

rare kite
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hahah ikr

tacit crystal
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no jug arms

magic canopy
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why when i gif search "jug arms" is it sans throwing around a bottle of ketchup

supple blade
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Fellas I need help someone correct me if I am wrong so
1 target MS
2 targets with SS MS
2+ targets cleave
Am I wrong?

tight frost
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Is it possible to macro fun house trinket to any of our spells, or do we need to line up with avatar etc?

rare kite
tight frost
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Ok

untold matrix
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yo

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is best in slots good?

magic canopy
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ya

untold matrix
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is better than 675 crafted claymore?

minor gust
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A heroic version is not but a myth version will be

bright scarab
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Anyone have any suggestions on how to stop staring at my abilities waiting for procs or CDs?

magic canopy
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go hit the dummy and hide your ui til you feel good

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lot of bar staring is habit

smoky kayak
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nothing really wrong with looking at your UI as long as you're looking at other things too; it's kinda like driving a car - staring at the road in front of you is bad, but you should still be looking at it regularly

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part of that is also just having a good UI setup, so that you can see when things happen without necessarily staring at it and only it

rose matrix
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Yeah if you get used to your UI and weakauras you catch a lot of stuff in your peripheral vision

slow saddle
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Put ms in center of screeb

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🤣

smoky kayak
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the trick is setting up a UI that lets you see everything easily, without showing you too much excess clutter

the first part is easy, but the second part is where people miss and end up with so much extraneous shit on their screen that it gets in the way of what they actually need to see

slow saddle
grand idol
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Especially when the default for boss mods is to beep and boop for every little thing.

slow saddle
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Bigwigs is better

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So much better

untold pewter
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Imo the bigger issues come with all the WA clutter on top of it, especially for raiding. Like damn, just import any raiding pack like Northern Sky or Liquid's, there's so much stuff the game does a horrible job at communicating that you're "forced" to use those even if only to cut down a few wipes.

smoky kayak
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if you're talking about DBM v BW, I've found that by DBM has more stuff on by default that you probably want to turn off and BW has more off by default that you probably want to turn on... but in either case both are fine after a little customization (which you should always do after pulling a boss a few times)

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and yeah, the dungeon/raid WA packs are incredibly oversaturated, especially if you're using them on top of DBM/BW

untold pewter
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Yeah

smoky kayak
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there's just a ton of shit you really don't need to see unless you're a RL - like I don't give a shit who gets targeted by X, I only care if I do

untold pewter
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Well yeah that's also true, I'm the RL so my screen looks like a spaceship cockpit at times

smoky kayak
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the same applies to class UI as well, a lot of people track excess shit that they really don't need to see

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my tank has, no shit, 3 separate bone shield charges WA on his screen at the same time critcake

untold pewter
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Lmao

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I've seen those

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Then again I've also seen people that say "I want to use just the minimum" and then keep forgetting to press their buttons and do nothing to fix it...

smoky kayak
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but yeah, figuring out what you actually need to see, vs what you tend to ignore, makes a world of difference

or hear - audio alerts are amazing, until you end up with so many that they either drown each other out or you start ignoring them because they're not actually all that important

rose matrix
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A lot of class weak auras tend to show too many things as well. Especially when it is made by someone who doesn't play the class

spiral coral
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I feel like audio alerts hindered me overall as a player (my fault). I got used to it too much, and stopped reading what is being cast above ads heads.

rose matrix
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I think it could be really helpful in moderation

spiral coral
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Been something I’ve been focusing on more to improve. Sounds simple, but, it was a nuisance I noticed about my gameplay.

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I’ve turned off any voice packs for about a week now, the one thing that stood out most was not being told to interrupt. Which, I thought would hurt, but realized it taught me to interrupt immediately and not maybe wait to see if someone else is going to pick it up so we don’t overlap because they’re probably hearing the same voice from their add on lol (pugs).

smoky kayak
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the trick with audio alerts is consistency - you want to try to the same sounds for the same type of things

For example

  • using ka-ching for your SD/BT/whatever important rotational alert
  • using airhorn for your "holy shit move now" alert
  • using BADADUM for your "press a defensive now" alert
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when you mix and match those things, it really starts to muddle what is important and why

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that's one criticism I have with a lot of boss mods, they sometimes pick sounds kinda randomly without too much consistency between them

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the other thing is just not over using them; again having too many means you just tend to start to ignore them - they should be for important and irregular things

spiral coral
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The add on talk made me do a lot of self reflection 😂

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“Wait do I really need this shit”

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“Is my hand being held”

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Type questions.

smoky kayak
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back when I was doing a lot of coaching, UI was one of the first things I'd always go over

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because you can point out rotational mistakes, but it helps a lot more if you can find the underlying reason that people are making them, and distraction is often a big one

spiral coral
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I use Doctorios UI and have all bars hidden in combat

quasi torrent
steady pilot
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Definitely being handheld. I recently installed wow again and I didn't have any add-ons on for some reason. And I felt 'blind' to mechanics and now I got all the usual add-ons and I feel it's Hella cluttered 😂 but I can 'see' more now iykwim

spiral coral
rose matrix
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I actually use Luxthos weakauras but still turn off and delete a bunch of stuff

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I think he has decent packs but he clearly doesn't play every class so you tend to have things being tracked that don't need to be

spiral coral
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One thing I like about Doctorio is they seem to have one for every spec and it’s quite consistent and I play a shit ton of alts so that’s why I like it

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Ok Luxthos is super clean I gotta admit

heady shale
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Why is ToP Decapitator axe BiS in guides? Secondary stats? Won't any 2h weapon work?

eager sigil
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yea you are right any work

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but some have better stats than others

thick kelp
manic egret
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How many sparks available rn?

misty bridge
void snow
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with new buff how much percent we got buff guys ? in arms

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single target 😛

slow saddle
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30%

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On bladestorm

hollow plover
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30% on reap

potent creek
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so 60% right?

slow saddle
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Exactly

quaint otter
hexed snow
weak rain
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baldestrom toggle button when

slow saddle
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Baldstorm kek

weak rain
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it turned out even better unintentionally

minor gust
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lmao imagine if you could use all your abillities while bladestorming and it was like breath/divine hammer would be funny watching the bladestorm animation go for like 30 seconds while your doing all your shit

viral locust
sudden fox
minor gust
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FPS go bye bye

slow saddle
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Haha

pliant kindle
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Hello! Has anyone simulated or tested the DPS difference between the Slayer Battlelord and Colossus builds after buffing in BS and Reap the Storm in M+?

rare kite
minor gust
slow saddle
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and it should be, tbh buff collosus

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or buff bleeds enough for collosus to be bis st as wel

minor gust
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More like that talent needs to be removed and replaced with something that has nothing to do with bleeds

rare kite
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lots of talents needs removed/reworked

minor gust
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warrior rework gonna go so hard in 13.3

nova marsh
minor gust
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wow or I will be dead by then so I hope not

slow saddle
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i do not enjoy the juggernaut juggle

nova marsh
rare kite
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agreed. remove slayer

slow saddle
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for 1 season is that so bad? collosos was basicly gone season 1

nova marsh
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Na just remove jugg

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Buff slayer up to make up for it as well as exe

minor gust
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remove jugg and replace with DF season 3 tier and Slayer would be fine

rare kite
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removing jugg is fine for arms. slayer for fury still has problems

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tho that could be solved by nerfing raging blow

nova marsh
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Honestly I don't think ashen is as bad as actual jug

rare kite
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nerfing raging blow or nerfing/reworking slaughtering strikes

slow saddle
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i mean if juggernaut was 5 stacks

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it would be less cringe

nova marsh
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Fury needs god though

rare kite
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no. the problem with slayer for fury is not execute or ashen jugg

slow saddle
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Fury is quite fine imho

rare kite
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it's raging blow

nova marsh
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Remove raging blow

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Bring slam back

slow saddle
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maybe not give RB 2 fucking things that buffs

nova marsh
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Just make fury play s3 style

potent creek
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like in legion

rare kite
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raging blow would be fine if it didnt buff 2 things

nova marsh
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Gotcha

slow saddle
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ye either slaugthering or bt buff

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not both

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i still think playstyle is fine even if rb is whack

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Scratch that, meant Flow of spec

rare kite
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for the most part yeah i agree. i don't really like the press as many rbs as possible after bladestorm thing. but that is a small optimization and for some fights not even the play.

weak rain
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just let execute give slaughtering strikes for furry

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make arms jugg 5 stacks(just like furry) or remove it(compensate execute base dmg by a bit) and introduce another talent

exotic breach
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is there any cap for crit/haste i should stop at and start getting mastery instead?

exotic breach
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thanks for info

fresh spire
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Rb buffing both rampage and bt is a sin

nova marsh
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Wtf is tww fury

fresh spire
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Uhhhh

nova marsh
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God I'm glad I'm not a war

severe haven
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Thanks

fresh spire
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Fury needs a tone down on its buffs from buttons to others sorta like mp got.
Honestly do wish they would do something with Avatar and reck make them cooldowns to each spec while making them more interesting

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Both cds while short feel pretty boring

severe haven
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Arms needs a whole new cd while fury strictly keeps recklessness

sudden fox
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Demolish being a channel is kinda aids tho tbh, or at least the slow movespeed is

severe haven
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Avatar should stay as the universal cd

nova marsh
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We got one it's called demolish

rare kite
scarlet elk
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Hi, extremely new warrior player trying to learn arms. Quick question about M+ rotation:

While sweeping strikes is up, is it better to do Mortal strike/ST rotation rather than spam cleave? I was a bit uncertain after reading the wowhead multitarget priority list since it just says cleave to apply deep wounds

rare kite
scarlet elk
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Very helpful, thank you!

fading sage
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How big of a loss is macro'ing Warbreaker and Avatar together in M+?

chilly coyote
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It's gonna be much more awkward and put you in situations where you don't use wb because you don't wanna use avatar

lunar remnant
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It’s not a loss if you have another bind for just wb

chilly coyote
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I'd advice against it

lunar remnant
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It’s good for an opener macro if you wanna pop everything

chilly coyote
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Judging by the question I'm assuming he's going for less buttons, not more :d

minor gust
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its fine if you want an opener macro with ava and WB but yeah you would still want a seperate bind for just WB

fading sage
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I know it's not advised, I always forget to push Avatar if I unbind them b/c I've ran them as a macro for SO long

hollow plover
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break habits

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just break the habits

fading sage
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Muscle memory hard lol

minor gust
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if your not doing high level content just send it who cares play whats comfy to you

hollow plover
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we all had to switch up some of our muscle memory due to balance changes from s1 to s2

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opener changes or whatever similar

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such is life

fading sage
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I have 2 15's left lol 😅

hollow plover
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break the habits

fading sage
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Do you ever save Avatar for Collat or use it with only WB?

minor gust
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I mean if you can align collat with multiple cds thats better than just one

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theres no hard rule on how to use collateral because its very situation dependent

rare kite
weak rain
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we should have the same

minor gust
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Same what

thick kelp
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Arms warrior Mid-Expansion Retrospective

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(we most certainy will have)

chilly copper
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I suspect it would just end up being “we blizzard, feel warrior is in a good place and are changing nothing really.”

tacit crystal
minor gust
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God I can't wait to see the 11.2 ptr notes and read we feel warrior is in a good place again

tacit crystal
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cope

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do you want to do keys later tdy

minor gust
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Can't today unfortunately gonna be busy all day and then I got raid tonight.

flat willow
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Warrior is on the brink of greatness

tacit crystal
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no

flat willow
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you remove avatar, you make tactician proc colossus smash

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you bring back battle cry

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voilà

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if you feel extra spicy, make overpower cost 50 rage and just kill everything around you ala storm of sword

rare kite
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legion arms with current mastery

slow saddle
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I love avatar

flat willow
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it's fine, but people might complain if we have avatar and battle cry

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and I prefer battle cry

hollow plover
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outside of autos

flat willow
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you charge

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don't know, I don't think I ever had rage issues outside of execute

hollow plover
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if you make overpower cost 50 rage

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then you gain rage from autos only

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and charge

flat willow
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they can always make autos give more rage to balance it out

slow saddle
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Yoyo rage

rare kite
flat willow
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I think people like generating and spending a lot of rage

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at least I do

hollow plover
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but if our costs increase

slow saddle
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Well gives rage last 35%

undone ibex
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Question about rotation. I generally do cleave-TC-TR-SS-Ravager-Warbreaker w/ Avatar-Cleave/MS-Demolish and priority rotation after that. Should I be holding Ravager so that Merciless bone grinder lines up with the big cleave after SS ends?

slow saddle
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If it lines up with a pull or what ever yes

hollow plover
undone ibex
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I’ve read it’s ok to use at 6 or 7 stacks at the beginning of a dungeon and then at 10 after that

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So I don’t wait for 10 stacks with the first one

hollow plover
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6 to 7 stacks? no

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where did you read that

flat willow
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maybe to padd because small mobs are going to die

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we love padding...

hollow plover
slow saddle
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6 7 if st

hollow plover
slow saddle
hollow plover
rare kite
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should theoritically never have 6/7 stacks at that time. but sometimes someone dies or you die etc

undone ibex
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I’ve heard Critcake and biz both say that

hollow plover
tacit crystal
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ive never heard or seen that

hollow plover
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crit stacks his colossal might to 10 pre-key

slow saddle
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Only ever refering to st 100%

hollow plover
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idk about biz

undone ibex
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It would only ever be at the start of a key

rare kite
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on dungeon pull? you sure you haven't heard him say in a "what if scenario"? like if cs is about to run out and you're at 6/7 stacks you send. but that should never happen

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coz you stack it so fast in aoe

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and there are no dungeons where you immideately go boss

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there's always aoe at the beginning

hollow plover
rare kite
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yea sure, that point is kind of pedantic tho. since you stack so fast on that boss as well

hollow plover
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ye

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point is - you shouldnt ever send demolish on dungeon start at 6 or 7 stacks

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big no no

rare kite
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i have a question @undone ibex do you prio overpower on aoe over ms? coz that is the only way i can see only getting 6 or 7 stacks

undone ibex
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Go watch Biz’a Xolossus Arms guide. For AoE rotation, he literally says do your opener then send demolish, you’ll be around 6-7 stacks

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Now the bud is 6 weeks old so that may have changed

hollow plover
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timestamp?

undone ibex
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I always prior Ms procs over OP

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2:38

hollow plover
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i listened to it

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it's simply not accurate

rare kite
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i mean that is what he says. then he proceeds to press it at 10 stacks

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literally right after

tacit crystal
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prob misspoke

hollow plover
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no he said he presses it ASAP when he isnt getting Cleave or MS resets, which is simply not good to do lol

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Im sure he's doing it differently nowadays

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but that is an inaccuracy

undone ibex
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Well I took it to mean 10 stacks is ideal but don’t sit on it too long to 6-7 is ok

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Ok well thats good to know

hollow plover
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he also said to open tclap and optionally cleave to get deep wounds going

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not entirely accurate

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you wanna cleave for deepwounds AND to get colossal might going or to extend colossal might

undone ibex
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Yea I always cleave first

hollow plover
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some exceptions not mentioned in this are things like how you can have a big cleave available on boss fights or whatever

undone ibex
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👍🏻 perfect thanks!

hollow plover
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i also just noticed that this prios overpower over MS in aoe

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eh

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not the best document

undone ibex
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I saw that as well

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Was scared to ask ha

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I prop MS usually to get Demolish off Cd faster

hollow plover
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yea

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this was made months ago, needs a revisiting

safe vigil
safe vigil
rare kite
safe vigil
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but tbh this never happens, you have 10 stacks in couple globals alwyas

hollow plover
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(also ravager stacks it passively so you never have to wait that long)

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(additionally the sweeping strikes torment, if played, essentially guarantees having enough cleaves up anyway)

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but yea you shouldn't go for 7 stack demolish in aoe if you're unlucky

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unless you're padding in low keys of course

dim basalt
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Sending at less stacks while cds are on is fine

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if not better

hollow plover
dim basalt
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With how confident you are, surely you have mathed it out right

hollow plover
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It's a flat 30% dps increase to enemies for 10 seconds after the demolish hit

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also demolish itself hits 30% harder

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you wanna skip out on 10 seconds of 30% dmg taken debuff so you can cast it during cds?

dim basalt
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Because its not even close to 30%

hollow plover
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my brain hurts its up to 10% not 10% per

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it's closer then yea

dim basalt
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and youre not getting 0% increase by sending with less stacks

hollow plover
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you're getting 7

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%

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yea

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with 7 stacks

teal fossil
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I remember someone thought it was 100%

dim basalt
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We wish

hollow plover
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that'd give colo arms good raid ST at least

honest ruin
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Anyone had an experience with ravager not being reset by rage mastery while being slayer ?
It work when i unlog then relog but it's anoying

unique cypress
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May the 4th be with you

hollow plover
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also no, anger management has consistently reduced ravagers cooldown for me

honest ruin
hollow plover
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my condolences

shadow ibex
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Bs buff waiting room

silk spade
hollow hearth
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When do we send Warbreaker withotu Demolish? or do we ever do that? Do we just wait for demolish coming closer off cd and then send Warbreaker? thx

chilly thunder
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thats got the goods

smoky kayak
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a few things off, but it's pretty close

hollow plover
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yea its p old and mainly taken from madox's old video

shadow ibex
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How much % AP is bs after Tuesday with max imminent demise

smoky kayak
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about 30% higher than it is today

misty sandal
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I think I might give slayer a try in dungeons (or maybe just one) next week 🤔

smoky kayak
# hollow hearth When do we send Warbreaker withotu Demolish? or do we ever do that? Do we just w...

answering more specifically - you don't hold cooldowns unless they're a few seconds off, or there's some kind of big damage window to take advantage of (last boss of Rookery, etc)

"by a few seconds" is open-ended for a reason, because there's no exact magic number for anything; it's all circumstantial based on a variety of factors

  • how long will the combat last?
  • will targets die before the lineup occurs?
  • will the delay cost you a use later?
  • how soon till the next pack?
  • will you be able to build up again for them?

it's very much something you feel out and learn through experience, rather than adhering to a specific "rule"

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when in doubt, just send it, but if you can comfortably delay by a few seconds without any negative effects elsewhere, then do so - if it works, cool; if not, know better for next time

tacit crystal
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theres also something about sending cds to sync

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happens more on other specs

robust cypress
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In M+, is it better to use demolish right off the bat or wait until 10 stacks? this is mainly for the first pull

smoky kayak
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ideally you hold for stacks, but like above, it's something that is inherently flexible - if waiting for stacks will cause you to lose damage due to hitting less targets, or cause other buffs to fall off first, it's less likely to be worthwhile

tacit crystal
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in the end you force demolish regardless of stacks as cs has 2s remaining

smoky kayak
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assuming you haven't found reason to use it sooner, yeah that's a decent guideline

spiral coral
merry stone
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does the buff to Bladestorm mean it's good to use on a Colossus build again or stay Ravager?

minor gust
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Nope Colossus still ravager

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Bladestorm would need to be massively buffed and changed to fury bladestorm for that to ever be a thought

nova marsh
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Guys

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Is being a bad meta slave worse then being a good one trick?

wintry arch
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Good for who?

nova marsh
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Like numbers wise

wintry arch
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The degrees of good and bad here are very important. But a good one trick is almost always better

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Except possibly at the highest tiers of content. Where I’m assuming you’re at least decent enough to get to

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I also assume you’re talking about m+

minor gust
wintry arch
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Because the variance in raid (at least in st) isn’t big enough where being meta will mean you do drastically more

nova marsh
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Tbh even in keys that variance isn't that bad unless blizzard completely shot your spec

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...like sub

wicked aurora
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I both hate and love slayer

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kill me man

remote talon
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fuck juggernaut

minor gust
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idk what there is to love about slayer these days

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theres only physical pain of dealing with the rng that is jugg min maxing

shadow ibex
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yeaaaaaa

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hopefully gone next tier

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3 tiers of this critcake

wicked aurora
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I hate the fact that the rng can just screw you despite playing it well

shadow ibex
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i think its very very dumb

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to be holding global

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because sd might proc

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feels awful trying to game it to extend

wicked aurora
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it only feels awful because it's so rng

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if you 100% got a proc every ~9 seconds it wouldn't be an issue

shadow ibex
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i dont see them giving us a guaranteed way to proc SD

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if they are hard comitted to 15 stacks and want us to try and maintain it thru an encounter, getting an exe cast/duration extend on BS would go a long way

minor gust
shadow ibex
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if BS refreshed it or something just random throw that in a slayer talent

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if they 1000% want us to have to deal with stacking it 15 times

minor gust
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theres so many different things they can do its just what are they willing to do

shadow ibex
#

thats what i mean if they like the way it is now

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a way to guarentee a proc/extend would go a long way

wicked aurora
#

BM hunters do it all the time

shadow ibex
#

i rather it not exist but if it must they can at least make it fun

minor gust
#

I rather they remove it all together

wicked aurora
#

I mean they could fix it pretty easily

#

just make jugg only apply at 35%/under

minor gust
#

idc that they can jugg is cringe

#

replace it with season 3 df tier

#

Slayer ruined jugg and now I just want it gone

shadow ibex
#

if it was like max 4/5 stacks that didnt extend sub 35 CS could be fun

#

but rage also doesnt rlly matter

#

🤷‍♂️

tacit crystal
#

jugg is shit

#

slayer is shit

shadow ibex
#

BS feels more like a CD now at least

minor gust
#

30% of nothing is still nothing

#

so not much of a cd still

#

ive been doing slayer keys this week

#

its crazy how bad that abillity is

shadow ibex
#

with max id like 1800% AP button so as hard as the final hit of demo with max

minor gust
#

MS doing more dmg on a trash pull than BS what a world

wicked aurora
#

hey man it's 4% of my single target!

shadow ibex
#

but yea

#

still p bad

#

considering 90 sec

#

30% inc should be 180% ap per hit for 10 hits

#

can boost to almost 200% AP per tick with culling

wicked aurora
#

set bonus owned

smoky kayak
minor gust
shadow ibex
#

SD clap seemed so free to add in either tree

minor gust
#

I play DN too so I prio cleave op

wicked aurora
#

SD clap was great

shadow ibex
#

i'd put SD in class tree

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with the clap

minor gust
#

cant wait tho to see reap do more dmg than cleave on the huge pulls like floodgate and workshop

shadow ibex
smoky kayak
#

naturally in longer pulls you just end up casting Mortal Strike way more

minor gust
smoky kayak
#

oh yeah, demolish is what bladestorm wishes it could be

#

despite the flaws, I actually enjoy it quite a bit

wicked aurora
#

demolish is fun but slayer is like what I think of as arms

smoky kayak
#

there's room for both, though it feels like it's shared more overlap than Slayer and Thane do for Fury

#

though the recent move away from Execute and towards Battlelord has helped make Colossus more distinct from Slayer in a very good way

minor gust
#

they just need to allow full movement man

#

idk why the hard on for forcing us to stand still

wicked aurora
minor gust
#

its not like DH where oh having to cancel eyebeam to live is awful because they already got most of their dmg off

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but most of demolishes dmg is the final hit

#

fist of fury im pretty sure is full movement as well

wicked aurora
#

used to have to actually be fully standing still

#

changed in legion iirc

#

miss old monk man

minor gust
#

idk Demolish really needs to be looked at. Yeah its rewarding because it does big dam and that feels good, but that feeling fades, and soon the negatives aspects will outshine any postive

shadow ibex
#

Yea just another one of those things that make brown feel like it's from 2016 not 2025

#

My resource bar doesn't even matter okayge

minor gust
#

rage whats that

shadow ibex
#

Warrior resource is juggernaut stacks and demo stacks

minor gust
#

sorry you didnt get any slayers strikes or SD procs your 14 stack jugg fell off as the boss hits 36%

shadow ibex
#

Sprocket good times

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No adds to execute to extend

#

Just you and the machine 1v1

wicked aurora
#

just bring back pre DF resource economy 🙂

minor gust
#

nah im good SL was to far I prefer DF rage economy

#

just give us a way to spend it

wicked aurora
#

it was the same thing lol

#

we didn't care about rage

smoky kayak
#

SL was rage starved af, what expansion were you playing? lol

wicked aurora
#

And I'm saying it was literally the same thing as it is currently

#

rage is mostly meaningless

smoky kayak
#

both were mentioned, and I was obviously responding to the former (since you said "bring back pre-DF economy" which sucked hard)

#

but yes, DF was far worse in terms of not caring about the resource than current

wicked aurora
#

I'd prefer to actually have a chance to overspend rage and just not be able to press MS on CD

smoky kayak
#

I'd prefer to actually have a chance to push my buttons instead of being limited by artificial scarcity

#

there's nothing engaging about wanting to push buttons and not being able to

wicked aurora
#

Then why have the resource to begin with

#

Just put everything on a CD

smoky kayak
#

you certainly could, but Rage does matter - it may not matter much and it may not always be limited, but it absolutely does run out at times

halcyon breach
#

Pov you get 5 EB resets

smoky kayak
#

PoV you're in Execute

wicked aurora
#

if we're going to have the resource I'd like to actually have it be something that matters

smoky kayak
#

PoV you're playing Colossus

smoky kayak
halcyon breach
#

Playing without EP, I felt that Colossus' moments of being out of rage were incredibly infrequent compared to Slayer

wicked aurora
#

Arms was the last spec that had an actual auto attack resource economy in the game and that kinda went out the window with DF

smoky kayak
halcyon breach
#

Correct :3

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Didn't feel EP was ever necessary anyway as Colossus

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(I also didn't do anything above +10s)

smoky kayak
wicked aurora
#

I understand SL was pretty bleh without WFT, but that didn't mean we had to go to the complete opposite end of the spectrum

minor gust
#

ugg 7% OAB wipe

wicked aurora
#

not the resource economy

minor gust
#

TWW rage you genuinly dont give a shit at all

wicked aurora
smoky kayak
shadow ibex
#

it granted an OP 100% of the time

#

that was cool ngl

smoky kayak
#

The only way that concept works is if you have checks in both directions

  • a way to overspend rage
  • buttons that can still be used without rage
    even then, it's pretty tricky to pull off
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that said, most resources these days aren't really action-limiting resources anymore

gusty eagle
#

guys im just catchin up my warr. The weapon craft embellishment should be the same for arms and fury?

wicked aurora
minor gust
wicked aurora
#

that's the only reason it became a rotational button

minor gust
#

all we needed was a better way to spend that rage which there was so many way they could of accomplished this

#

instead they did the TWW changes

#

which accomplished nothing

#

and made things worse

wicked aurora
#

largely feels the same resource wise imo

#

although honestly fuck cleave give me SoS back

minor gust
#

again not the same because we cared about rage spending even tho our options for it sucked

jade ember
#

I member the good ol days where we got to cast one ability every three globals during the first tier and literally couldn't Heroic Strike queue away the rage by the third tier

shadow ibex
#

like when

#

we've always had either taste for blood or CS resets

#

might have had both in mop idr all 3/4 iterations of arms

flat willow
#

I think that fits wod and only wod

#

when they removed every ability and you were just pressing mortal strike and whirlwind

#

well heroic strike was removed from everything but prot so not wod

#

wait I'm dumb he said heroic strike queue so that can only be between vanilla to wotlk, but rage was pretty generous in all 3 expansions imo

minor gust
#

if we play well for once it dies tonight

regal wharf
#

i will say

#

I do miss DFS3 and DFS4 arms

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cause execute felt sooooo good

void bay
regal wharf
#

What does this have to do with race

tacit crystal
void bay
#

We all brown men here brother, it not about race it about class

flat willow
#

some of us are red men

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(there's actually a lot of pink men in the warrior discord)

#

stinky paladins, I hate them so much...

tacit crystal
#

just play everything

minor gust
#

ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

tacit crystal
#

cluegi

#

it dies tonight surely

minor gust
#

30 min to kill this

#

we got this

tacit crystal
#

lock in

minor gust
#

it might be a slayer swap angle time

tacit crystal
#

do it

#

it dies

#

100%

minor gust
#

its time

shadow ibex
#

kill it

minor gust
#

nope unfort

#

1% wipe what coulda been

shadow ibex
#

nooo

minor gust
#

sucks but it dies next week without a doubt

chilly copper
bright scarab
#

Ravager should always be used with Avatar right?

#

They should never be off synced?

tacit crystal
#

no

#

held to be used with cs unless high collat

bright scarab
#

Nice ok

#

That's what was happening

spark mango
#

i never understood why demolish is not on angermangment

#

you either wait for warbreaker or if you get it super early using SS you still dont use it and wait for Warbreaker

#

sometimes you want to fit 2 avatars in the remaining of a boss fight and you have to wait for demlolish Cd and potentially lose an entire avatar. and if you playing with warlord's torment its even worse

minor gust
#

it would still desync unless they removed the CDR component from CM which is a valid route to go down but they would need to find another way to give us a benefit while were at max stacks and demolish is still on cd

spark mango
#

ofc they need to remove CDr from colossal might

minor gust
#

theres many different ways they could fix this issue

#

its just are they willing to do the work and try

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which we have no control over

spark mango
#

and its so Rng aswell, based on battlelord, EB and actual mortal strike crits

#

i once used warbreaker at 12 second remaining on demolish still couldnt get it in

#

thats how unlucky i was

#

last hit wasnt in CS

minor gust
#

welcome to arms we gotta get ass fucked by rng one way or another

tacit crystal
#

colossus is no where near as bad as jug in raid

minor gust
#

depends

#

I started OAB playing Jug colossus and trying to get good demo timings was complete rng. Swapping to Blord significantly helped but theres still a layer of rng to get good timings

tacit crystal
#

they killed colo in raid imo

#

no exe giving cm

#

gg

minor gust
#

well it was to push colossus to use Blord instead and it did bring it closer

#

it just needed a lil more love

tacit crystal
#

yeah but i dont like playing blord all the time

minor gust
#

why it fits colossus perfectly while slayer has more emphasis on execute

tacit crystal
#

also i brought back my lil warlock

#

slayer is aids

#

simple

minor gust
#

slayer is aids cuz jug exists

tacit crystal
#

idk

#

bring back pants

#

pants was peak

#

df was so fun

minor gust
#

TWW had some improvements to arms which were great but now that were almost a year in or something to TWW I miss DF arms so much

tacit crystal
#

what improvements

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sd stacking to 2

#

thats the only thing i can think of

minor gust
#

SD, Demolish (even with all the negative aspects its a decent addition), TOM being dead, Being able to kick and stun in BS, Hurricane gone, Blademasters torment change, Shockwave being easily grabable, stam node easy to get, and im sure theres more thats not instantly coming to my mind

tacit crystal
#

they killed warlords torment though

minor gust
#

yeah im sad about that a long with the death of SOS and SOA and FB being seperated into two talents there were some bad changes

#

that doesnt mean there were no good changes

#

thats not how this works

tacit crystal
#

shockwave being easier to grab means nothing because no one is bringing us more often

#

bevause of cc

minor gust
#

ok?

#

so they should have left shockwave at the bottom then

#

that doesnt make any sense

tacit crystal
#

i just want damage man

minor gust
tacit crystal
#

how degenerate do you think hurricane with slayer would ahve been

minor gust
#

considering there was a time on beta where we had double bladestorm in slayer

#

pretty degen

tacit crystal
#

it was ava casting bs right

minor gust
#

yes

tacit crystal
#

they killed rhat instantly

#

in raid you would prob

minor gust
#

it was funny but yeah you were constantly spinning

tacit crystal
#

cs exe exe bs exe exe ms

#

that would kinda own though

#

one big execute

#

er

#

ms

#

wait

#

nvm

#

did we ever play around fatality in df

minor gust
#

considering it just scaled with str no not really

#

you could try and line it up with TOM but it just wasnt worth and didnt matter

#

the only good one was smolderan

dim basalt
#

whats Hurricane

tacit crystal
#

i dont think i was good at arms back then

#

bs was uncancelable

#

gave % str every second

#

and lasted for 6s after

#

was really strong

dim basalt
#

hm

minor gust
dim basalt
#

Would make BS feel less bad to press

minor gust
#

led to some cringe buff min maxing in M+ and made BS bad to press

#

because it would be tuned so low

dim basalt
#

oh

minor gust
#

because its tuned around hurricane existing

tacit crystal
#

yeah

dim basalt
#

fair

minor gust
#

we all wanted BS to do dmg again

#

and now here we are

#

BS not doing dmg again

tacit crystal
#

but it also kinda felt good to get a big cleave after a bs

#

and ww

minor gust
#

eh it was cringe especially playing with double BS

#

sending ava at the start to get the BS buff then sending cds and then extending the hurricane buff

tacit crystal
#

i wanna see if i can find a log of me playing arms in keys

minor gust
candid pecan
#

surely, before tomorrow, blizz will add some additional last minute war buffs

minor gust
#

the dream is I should be able to blast cds on a 20-30 second aoe pull and BS is my top dmg

candid pecan
minor gust
#

thats a real dmg cd

#

that feels good

minor gust
#

BS should be doing more dmg than demolish in aoe on the principle its a longer cd

dim basalt
#

It would be enough if bladestorm didnt suck complete ass in 2T scenarios ngl

candid pecan
#

I did some +13-14 keys as slayer this week, when I pressed bs on 10 targets... idk man... if not for overwhelmed stacks, i would have cancelled BS 0.5 seconds in to get bonegrinder and press abilities which do dmg

tacit crystal
#

wait

#

i never played old blademasters torment

minor gust
tacit crystal
#

bro

dim basalt
#

6 months is good

tacit crystal
#

i never played old blademasters bc i just played wtv critcake played

dim basalt
#

I cant even do 3 without being a stoner

tacit crystal
dim basalt
#

I didnt play warrior in DF

tacit crystal
#

wrong answer

minor gust
#

I played a lot of double BS back in season 1 of DF I cant remember when in season 4 we started seeing double bladestorm again as an option

dim basalt
#

Started playing it this S1

#

Because our raid needed one

#

And now we cant get another warrior to join because everyone who joins wants to be in the main roster during prog lmao

#

Delusional people everywhere

tacit crystal
#

stuck in warrior prison

minor gust
#

idk fair thing to want in mid level guilds

#

ppl wanna play the game

dim basalt
#

If you wanna raid mythic theres no way around it tho

tacit crystal
#

yeah but they prob just perform worse

dim basalt
#

You need to have at least 25 peeps

#

And warrior is just not good enough to bring 2 every single fight

tacit crystal
#

bozo

#

was it

dim basalt
#

Tho I wouldnt mind sitting a few bosses out

#

Fuck Stix, fuck bandit

minor gust
#

yeah ik but theres also tons of casual CE guilds recruiting. Its not hard to try and find one that will guarantee you a spot in prog most of the time(cuz need a buff or something) so you can prove your self to be a really good player and then your never ever sat for prog because your good at the game

tacit crystal
#

reck charge of spear ramp ava bb ramp bb ramp bb

minor gust
#

ramp after charge your not enraged there

#

you didnt play TR

tacit crystal
#

oh thats riaggt

#

i forgor

#

i miss it

#

oh nah

#

im looking at a 99 smolderon i got

minor gust
#

huge

tacit crystal
#

i did it wrong

minor gust
#

smoldy was different because you wanted to send your cds immediatly so it aligned with the burn phase

tacit crystal
#

thats also true

#

bring back amirdrassil

grand lark
#

guys these are my stats what can i improve or what would you improve

hollow plover
hollow plover
eager sigil
#

Will be accurate again with next squish

hollow plover
#

i dont think there will be an ilvl squish until we hit 1k ilvl again

#

or did they announce something?

eager sigil
#

We def get a number squish next expansion

#

That's announced

#

Just assumed ilvl goes with it

#

But I guess it doesn't have to

hollow plover
#

🤔

manic bear
#

this is my arm stats

minor gust
swift crown
#

what about leg stats

minor gust
#

yeah cant forget leg day

quasi torrent
#

its so over

quaint otter
#

good arm

manic bear
#

For the new buff any current Arms build change?

manic bear
#

then whats the points for buffing lol

#

more on ST

dim basalt
#

Why does a buff always have to change builds

minor gust
#

to make the difference between slayer and colossus less

manic bear
#

ok how much diff from the slayer and colossue after the change?

dim basalt
#

Still too much in aoe if theres meaningful aoe

minor gust
slow saddle
#

I say keep buffin slayers m+ capabilities. Next buff collosus st capabilities

minor gust
#

your welcome go get em tiger

simple wren
#

anything similar to wowanalyzer to get a quick overview on what youre doing wrong?

eager sigil
#

whats wrong with wowanalyzer?

#

dont think theres another

#

but not sure

simple wren
#

says it doesnt support this patch

#

for arms

eager sigil
#

oh it does

simple wren
#

ah great!

teal fossil
#

wowanalyzer is incredibly hard to get right

#

and it changes every patch

eager sigil
#

it worked for 11.1 and just didnt get updated for 11.1.5 but nothing changed for arms

teal fossil
#

so its pretty hard to keep up with it

simple wren
#

kk

olive nest
#

I think Bigbowl maintains it

void bay
#

Big Bowels

opal flax
#

if I want to play bladestorm centered build without inting too hard in dps in m+_

#

should i go

#

arms or fury slayer

minor gust
#

Well considering how down bad fury is in the eyes of the avg player your only option is arms

fast wharf
#

i mean you are choosing a handicap already so there is no good answer, whatever you like to play more, can even be non slayer with bladestorm

nova marsh
#

Tbh you'd probally be better off just going with BS colo

minor gust
#

Nah that sounds way worse

nova marsh
#

I mean you're handicapping yourself no matter what

chrome oxide
#

hello, for the rotation, do we fish for 2 overpower or just use it on cd

nova marsh
#

the buff?

#

For MS and Cleave?

chrome oxide
#

yes

#

we wait for 2 charges or just use it when its up

nova marsh
#

On CD

#

we do not care about the buff

hollow plover
chrome oxide
#

ooh i see thanks!

regal wharf
#

do you guys know any guild recruitment discords

#

i wanna try my hand at mythic raiding but its so hard to find a spot

regal wharf
#

im NA

hollow plover
#

there's an NA one as well

#

but i dont have the link

#

u can google it

shadow ibex
#

mug dies tonight

quasi torrent
#

da muggie

radiant cape
#

Can you buy the myth track dungeon trinkets on alts if you’ve cleared 12s on your main👀?

tacit crystal
#

no one knows

quasi torrent
#

someone knows

#

probably the guy who implemented the restrictions and his boss know

radiant cape
#

They might not even know, dinars are a conspiracy. Thanks for responding folks 🙂

nova marsh
#

just pretend dinars are fake news

grand idol
#

I missed that news, adding m+ trinkets to the chips.

smoky kayak
olive nest
#

Love the alt restrictions, now the team mates who geared alts for bandit don’t want to play them because it’ll brick their dinar purchases 🙃

shadow ibex
#

i think it should be account wide but then every alt has a hoc

#

maybe they shoulda been only for final seasons forever cuz now its just stupid

olive nest
#

Yeah I’m not really sure what the best answer is but kind of a let down as is

#

And I’m not someone who’s negatively effected by it at all

#

I just recognize others concerns or whatever

shadow ibex
#

i think it does mean something that in 11.1.7 someone who is playing the game mashing 1 button rotation helper can buy a heroic jastor without ever setting foot in the raid ever

#

like that's pretty crazy imo

#

its pretty accessible

olive nest
#

And with that in mind does it really matter if they get the mythic version

wanton frost
#

thought you still needed to clear on at least normal to buy the hero track?

shadow ibex
#

latest post they said you can buy heroic anything

#

no matter what

wanton frost
#

gotcha

olive nest
#

So full lfr clear ez

shadow ibex
#

not even lfr

olive nest
#

People don’t even have to enter the raid anymore for heroic versions?

shadow ibex
#

purchasing heroic track dungeon or raid trinkets will have no requirement other than the currency cost

simple wren
#

are the micro missiles in ML a bit different?

#

feels like they hit insta

shadow ibex
wanton frost
#

closer you are, faster they land

simple wren
#

had no chance of moving this time 😄

wanton frost
#

ones near the floating heads are virtually instant

simple wren
#

aah ok

olive nest
#

Yeah the “safe” spot is a pretty solid option

simple wren
#

goodie then i know 🙂

shadow ibex
#

usually tank moves him near safe spot

minor gust
shadow ibex
#

yea but we're also people who mythic raid

minor gust
#

Yeah and we'll earn the mythic version

shadow ibex
#

still an MMO where you can walk up and buy like the second best loot without walking in to the raid

#

its super generous

#

i think ppl lose sight of that at least raiders

eager stirrup
#

Hello everyone, new of this patch Sorry for the stupid question but Is It Better arms or Fury right now? I saw that Fury has more sustained aoe dmg but then i see a lot more arms Warrior in keys for example, thank you

hollow plover
#

I GOT ASSIGNED TO EVERY MUGZEE PRISON TONIGHT FOR PROG

thick kelp
#

so does everyone else

smoky kayak
#

tbh mugz prisons are pretty chill, since you don't need to ever do spears

zenith warren
#

how is one button rotation for other specs btw? personally I feel like ~25% less dmg for spamming one button is a bit too good, would rather see it around 50%

hollow plover
hexed snow
smoky kayak
#

don't?

hexed snow
#

🤔

smoky kayak
#

Its not very easy to break them early as a solo dps

#

so tell whoever is wailing on your add to cut it out!

hexed snow
#

Gosh darn padders and their 99 logs

hollow plover
#

im being treated like a 2nd class citizen

smoky kayak
#

wait for it...

hollow plover
#

mage says one thing and they are immediately adjusting

#

i say anythign "will it wipe us? no? then we wont change it."

hexed snow
#

You're there too damage as a warrior

#

Nothing else

#

We dont have a contributing voice

smoky kayak
#

you're a warrior - you hit one target at a time, can't do any special tech, and don't bring any particular value beyond a simple buff

hollow plover
#

so is mage

smoky kayak
#

you are a second class citizen

hexed snow
#

Yeah but mages get fun reworks every 2-3 months

smoky kayak
#

mages can do useful things on that fight

hollow plover
#

Cause damage isnt needed in the prisons, if thats what you mean

#

our mages are only training the boss, not assigned to any other mechanic

weak rain
hollow plover
#

and we're likely killing tonight as well

weak rain
#

I mean 2nd

hollow plover
#

i also dont know why they change the assignment on the 3rd day of prog

#

so arbitrary

olive nest
#

Oh boy you’re telling me warriors are prime candidates for every prison

sacred zodiac
#

eh not really

brazen hazel
#

hey everyone, is kezan still bis for arms?

sacred zodiac
#

for long fights in mythic ye

brazen hazel
#

what about dungeons?

sacred zodiac
#

never was

brazen hazel
#

so its pacemaker?

sacred zodiac
#

you lose too many stacks between running yo upretty much have to chainpull the entire dungeon if you want it to be good

brazen hazel
#

that makes sense

zinc yacht
#

What can and what can't be parried with Die by the Sword? I know all melee hits, but does that include tank buster hits like the first priory boss?

smoky kayak
zinc yacht
#

Is there a rule of thumb? My question was about Pierce Armor from Dailcry. This shit busts our tank and I was wondering if I could help out by taunting and parrying for 8 sec

#

The ability is purely physical damage

smoky kayak
#

if it's physical damage and looks like a direct attack, then it's probably parryable
but it also just might not be

fast nebula
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Is the ravager slayer build still worth considering over BS on after the buff even if we talkng minor numbers

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on like a mugzee or bandit

smoky kayak
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na it was already behind; the only place it has any real value is if you really wanna hard focus Execute at the expense of overall damage

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which isn't really worth it in most situations; Mugz was the most obvious usecase, but many groups are moving towards the 4m strat now, which weights more damage back into the early parts of the fight rather than just the end of it

fast nebula
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I ended up using it on first kill of Bandit because we held dam. and adds where no issue despite colossus being so much fun

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good point on the 4 heal we are doing that

smoky kayak
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Yeah I was gonna say you could maybe do it for Bandit, but I feel like with all the damage inflation flying around, it's kind of outmoded even there

fast nebula
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Yea ill go BS. TY.

hollow plover
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i think im just gonna go fury at this rate

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im slaving up in here

smoky kayak
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cages are actually good for stacking Jugg

hollow plover
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The small downtime while positioning inside the prison has let me drop jugg multiple times over

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:/

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2nd prison, specifically

smoky kayak
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skill issue

hollow plover
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sudden death procs are a true skill issue indeed

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im already maximizing optime as much as possible

tacit crystal
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i need jugless slayer cook

hollow plover
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uptime*

smoky kayak
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throw out an Execute on Mugz to eat any remaining stacks before going in, even if it's not a 3x or is an early refresh and you're fine

shadow ibex
tacit crystal
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amen

hollow plover
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already doing that whenever possible

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sometimes there simply isn't an SD proc to use

tacit crystal
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thats when you explode

smoky kayak
hollow plover
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I am coping hard that if i stayed on boss during those last 2 seconds (instead of positioning to my assigned prison) that I'd get an SD proc

smoky kayak
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yes

hollow plover
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yes

tacit crystal
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no

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you'll get it last second

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2 globals + 1 aa

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free sd

hard comet
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New to warrior. On this weakaura the bar under rend fills up. Can anyone tell me what that's indicating?

shadow ibex
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swing timer maybe

grand idol
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If its quick it's a swing timer for sure.

smoky kayak
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probably; I'm guessing you could probably just open the WAs and look through them

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as long as the naming convention is halfway decent, it'll probably be spelled out somewhere

hard comet
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But swing timer makes the most sense

last wagon
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where mid season retrospective @smoky kayak

olive nest
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Let’s see..
Jug bad
The end

sage badge
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Arms owns.

smoky kayak
tacit crystal
hazy pagoda
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lust on wishlist

smoky kayak
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hold your breath

minor gust
spiral coral
spiral coral
thick kelp
spiral coral
hazy pagoda
smoky kayak
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not sure yall took that the way it was intended, but glhf

minor gust
olive nest
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Advocate for less utility and more damage as a trade

minor gust
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yeah tell them they need to put shockwave back at the bottom of the class tree

spiral coral
hollow plover
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I think jugg needs to be removed or longer duration

minor gust
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also change the target cap of our fear to 1 target 5 is just too op

drifting geode
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Solo arms warr player been playing wow 3 months first time doing m+ this season just hit 3k! woo

minor gust
olive nest
drifting geode
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invites were a struggle at times haha but i got there in the end

slow saddle
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Invites are always the rougher part

candid pecan
stable socket
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kinda unrelated to warrior but does anyone know how much damage the raid hot sauce that we get in two weeks is?

minor gust
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2

candid pecan
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raid hot sauce?

stable socket
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in two weeks we get some strange raid hot sauce on hit damage proc that scales with consumables

minor gust
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does it taste good?

sacred zodiac
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I want some strange raid hot sauce on hit damage proc that scales with consumables

minor gust
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just remember if the guy giving you the strange raid hot sauce takes you to a van run away

steel comet
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After our initial opener and we have CD's on cooldown are there any CD's we should absolutely save? Or are there some we should use on CD regardless of the big opener?

hexed snow
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MugZee is fun

tacit crystal
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can hold bs if cs is or avatar is close

hollow plover
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We did not kill Mugzee tonight people (ranges) keep dying after the 40% intermission during mine soaks.

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Legit didnt have a single try with at least 18 people alive

tacit crystal
hollow plover
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we found out one player only soaked a total of 10 mine soaks all night while everyone else was in the 200s and 300s

tacit crystal
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thats not good

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but also soaking when others are in the mine is bad

hollow plover
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well duh

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but you can imagine