arms

[visual fern]

4 maybe 5 will

But one arm...

We dont do guild alt runs

Im suffering from success really

My alt has myth ML ring and needs mugzee neck...
The other has myth top ring and needs coc ring (hehe) / rik neck...

But it’s kinda grief to play alt warr on last 2/4 for vault

[tacit crystal]

yeah my alt for m+

is starving

[visual fern]

I guess it wont matter in a month

[tacit crystal]

and my guild

would geek out if i brought an alt

surely ce soon then jump

[visual fern]

Ez hack, just have 2 warriors

[tacit crystal]

swordish exists

[visual fern]

Degen both so they similarly geared

[tacit crystal]

but they said nah bc people need to fill vaults

[visual fern]

Hence me wondering if 6 is puggable

[tacit crystal]

stix seems barely puggable

3 seems fine

and sprocket is prob fine enough if theyve killed before

[river ridge]

I mean maybe first 3? But Stix and Sproket certainly need more coordination than PUGs might want to put forth

[visual fern]

One arm prob easier than sprocket

After the ilvl jump patch

Can just skip some coin overlaps with more dam

Polarity / mines / drills on the other hand...

[river ridge]

Wouldn't be surprised if people just sold lockouts of OAB

Using the raid skip

[visual fern]

Imagine a world where 6/8m pug is first 3 + last 3

[stable fiber]

its jastor + coc

[visual fern]

[stable fiber]

but uh

no jastor its top

xdd

[visual fern]

Yah thinking of no jastor

[stable fiber]

coc ring super bis though

[visual fern]

[tacit crystal]

i got hc coc

[stable fiber]

ive only seen 1 mythic coc ring

went to a holy priest

(killed the boss 8 times)

[void bay]

Coc ring

[tacit crystal]

i didnt need on it bc i got hc version before and mw needed it

[stable fiber]

i mean this is a great abbreviation

[tacit crystal]

so

it would be turbo greedy for me to get the same ring twice

like

xdd

[visual fern]

I cant even skip rik neck and use boe neck + top ring to offset haste loss because that puts me at 23 haste which feels unplayable with how SD/jugg works

[stable fiber]

yeah my haste is crazy high too

im at like 11k crit and 24k haste

[tacit crystal]

i think i have like

40?

[stable fiber]

coc ring somehow didnt sim as a massive increase over circlet which i just think is wrong

[tacit crystal]

luckily my neck is the cinderbrew so it has some haste

[stable fiber]

might have been giving me crit instead of haste on the circlet

[tacit crystal]

yesterday during sprocket

i got so tilted at bladestorm

i went ravager

[stable fiber]

lmfao

[tacit crystal]

i was also turbo running it

[uncut sand]

Quick q is slayer arms viable in m+? Saw on murlok somes notably critcake

[wispy cloud]

For m+, what droptimizer sims should I do? I know that stats are super weird rn, so I know that I should keep updating sims

[stable fiber]

5m5t

but for colossus i just go by the rule of stack as much crit as possible

because crit is like extremely good for colossus

[wispy cloud]

I do play colossus in m+

[stable fiber]

yeah so i assume you gear for m+

[wispy cloud]

Yea exactly

[rare kite]

bruh i can't tell if your name is supposed to be racist or not

[void bay]

What does it mean

[rare kite]

guess that's a yes

[hollow wave]

Why doest just make Rend an AoE ability via talents? Thunder clap as an AoE Rend doesn't make sense to me

How my feet can make people bleed?

[potent creek]

thunder so loud

ears bleed

[wispy cloud]

I swear it's not. Long story tho lol

[rare kite]

lmao

[grim anchor]

The game ain’t supposed to be realistic

[rugged notch]

hey guys

One question, while simming for m+, how should I sim?

Dslice or 5t5m

[prime bramble]

Yes

Most people do 1t5m + 5t5m and throw in slice for good measure

[kind saffron]

just sim both single target and 5 or 10 targets (with reasonable m+ buffs) and make a decision based on that

[rugged notch]

Thank you

[misty sandal]

sharp toe nails???

[visual fern]

Block evasion, time to get banned bozo

https://tenor.com/view/dab-squidward-gif-10751147

[rare kite]

https://tenor.com/view/tom-cruise-shades-cool-smug-cool-shades-gif-18677159

[quasi torrent]

good for him

[grim hull]

hahah xD

[strange perch]

Quick q,should i rock double dawnthread or go one w/ the double embelish?

AYY LMAO

[hollow hearth]

Hello guys, I am brand new warrior. I rerolled from rogue/mage played only m+ around 15-16's but I just love how warriors look and the aestethics. My question is, how hard is warrior to learn? Is it complicated? I feel a bit button floated atm when I just started, thanks! 😄 And have a great day

[lunar remnant]

you rerolled from those classes into a worse class, it’s not too bad once you get used to your abilities.. dunno why you wanna torture yourself though warr dps is pretty mid

[untold pewter]

Do you mean current 15's-16's or was this before the key level squish?

Either way, not complicated, wowhead guide covers all the start up you need for your rotation and yes it's a little bit button bloated

[untold pewter]

That's some sacrilegious stuff you're saying there

[eager sigil]

if you craft a weapon go with ascension

otherwise go dawn/dusk

[hollow hearth]

Yes 😄 I've played those 2 for so long now

[lunar remnant]

Feels bad though I’m starting to fall off compared to the other dps in my m+ group. I know they will keep me bc we are guildies / friends but they could have a much better time with a MM hunter or UHDK

[swift crown]

When are you getting banned

[hollow hearth]

I mean this season 🙂

I'm gonna go ahead and read those guides right away!

[untold pewter]

Idk bro like, warrior can do 15s and 16s without being a liability

[quasi torrent]

idk find a way

to get me banned while im unsubbed

[untold pewter]

If you need some inspiration check out some of Crits' key videos

[swift crown]

I mean from the discord

[quasi torrent]

im above the law

[lunar remnant]

Don’t let me steer you though warrior is and will always be my favorite class in terms of fun / thematic

[hollow hearth]

❤️ ❤️ ❤️

[lunar remnant]

Yeah we are pushing 15s atm and crit / noxiv are outliers not the norm..

[slow saddle]

Ofc but mm and uhdk at same lvl do em better?

By a decent margin

Esp in pugs id reckon

[untold pewter]

That's what I meant for inspiration

[strange perch]

10-4,cheers

[untold pewter]

Yeah but then you have to play MM or UHDK and not the best class in the game

[slow saddle]

Ye im only at 14s atm

And if they best me., i just think ye well i gice u 5% ap

What do u give me!

No utility classes!

[untold pewter]

Don't forget our extremely gutted and nearly useless rally!

[slow saddle]

M8 5% ap

Is 5 % just play phys comp

[hollow plover]

that is not what most people do

for m+

speak for yourself only

[hollow plover]

watch madox's arms guide video from 1 or 2 months ago, also read the comments as they give more context. That video single handedly sets you up for very solid play

you just need to make sure to practice afterwards

[daring heron]

i dont think i've played slayer in a single key this season

murlok is drunk

[hollow plover]

murlok isnt good

imo

still have to be proven wrong

[hollow plover]

all the slayer warrior m+ stats are full ST raid builds, my guess is that people just forgot to swap talents before key start and then swapped during the key or something along those lines

[daring heron]

i havent accidentally started as slayer either

murlok is drunk

[swift crown]

It probably took some where you logged out as Slayer after doing a key

[quasi torrent]

slow updating api x scraping api

🤷‍♂️

[slow saddle]

I mean in a 10

Take cleave + longer sweep

Be prio master?

Will u suck prob yes. But will u clear yes

Actually now i gotta try a pug 10 .. top mby

[shadow ibex]

Still just not fun

BS and do 0 to all targets

[latent moss]

spear no rend

2x ct ep

long sweep blademasters

[grim anchor]

im confused when fighting bosses whether I should press mortal strike or execute (ST) , should I do 2x execute then mortal strike, or pump out one

[fading nimbus]

After thorough simming and constantly being around 2.48m st I've come to want to try a 38% crit, 25% haste build with seaforium ( my connection in aus doesn't allow me to make most of Gcd ) any thoughts on it?

[fading nimbus]

Execute unless you already have 2x stacks of it

[grim anchor]

execute execute then mortal strike?

[fading nimbus]

Correct

[grim anchor]

kk ty

[fading nimbus]

The damage difference is very noticeable, especially if the Ms crits with the stacks

[grim anchor]

ye

[uneven lintel]

i feel like in a dungeon my cds are always misaligned. should i be holding any cds like demolish or collosus smash if avtar is like 20 cds left on cd

[shadow ibex]

Assuming you're in combat during all that time you should be able to send both of those with 20 left on avatar cd

20 duration on avatar means you got 40 seconds

Both of those will be up in 40. Twice if you're in combat easily

If you ever think about holding shit remember avatar lasts long as hell

Obv don't send if you might get targeted with gtfo mech like garbage balls in 2 seconds

[uneven lintel]

yea that makes sense ty

[fiery leaf]

Hello fellow warriors 🙂

Back in the game since S1 DF and wanna try out arms this time around !

What guide/ build would you recommend for M+ and Raid ?

Wowhead / icy ? ...

Thanks a lot !

[eager sigil]

any of them work

[slow saddle]

Only reason not to ms is op proc

If 2 ep

[hollow wave]

Before spending collateral, is it worth spend 2 GCDs to buff it with 2x overpower?

[eager sigil]

yes

[slow saddle]

100% yes

[grim anchor]

wdym

[slow saddle]

If 2nd ep procs oppertunist u send that b4 ms

[sacred zodiac]

does the apl do that?

[slow saddle]

I think so but dno

[swift crown]

yes

[slow saddle]

Reasoning should be proc shouldbt be wasted

[swift crown]

APL sends Opportunist over MS assuming you're not at 2x Martial Prowess

[slow saddle]

That

[swift crown]

And regardless of rage if playing Bladestorm

[slow saddle]

I hate that we are locked to bladestoem

[swift crown]

Well

yesn't

[slow saddle]

We arent but u know

[swift crown]

If Bladestorm didn't suck

we wouldnt have this problem

[slow saddle]

Wasting so many hero talents

Let talents work for rav

And make bladestorm be better per target up to 7

I just dislike loosin control in arms coz bladestorm lasts forever

[grim anchor]

tbh idk what that is lol

[slow saddle]

Slayer talent

[grim anchor]

if I were to create wrists what would be the reagents used on it ?

[lunar remnant]

d-slice telling me to drop cerce's for 665 ring.. hmm

doesnt seem right idk but it says its +33k more like this

[weak rain]

yay arms rework 11.1.7

[hollow plover]

wat

[zenith lodge]

For the people in here who do splits each tier what class do you use? Ive been asked to get one ready and im not sure what class to choose (have to be melee)

[hollow wave]

Troll warrior animations are sick

[fading nimbus]

What's your stat weights with this setup?

[lunar remnant]

Not sure I’m pretty unfamiliar with simming, how do I set stat weights?

Oh you mean what my stats look like with it?

32% crit 28% haste 26% mastery

[thick kelp]

another warrior

[eager sigil]

monk/dh for me

[grim anchor]

if I were to create wrists what would be the reagents used on it ?

[fading nimbus]

Honestly not bad, arms you can get away with dropping siren ring but put it into play and see how it goes? Keeping in mind that sims are computer generated with optimal performance and aren't reflective of how you play, curious to see how much the dps actually changes

[fading nimbus]

Like optional reagents? If you have ascendance wep go writhing armor band

[slow saddle]

What

[hollow plover]

same class will be a surefire way of having enough class knowledge to not grief splits

[slow saddle]

Early splits as in hc?

Or late?

Same answer

Arms warrior full zug

[grim anchor]

Kk ty !

[latent moss]

prolly gonna get forced into pwar

[slow saddle]

Then answer is rogue🤣

[latent moss]

👍

but that means u have to play rogue

[hollow plover]

rogue with bad gear at that

[zenith lodge]

yeah normal/hc splits first few weeks of a tier, never done it before so thought I would ask some experienced people

[slow saddle]

I mean in splits normally ppl just have same chsrs?

[eager sigil]

if you want to put in the least effort play the same class twice

otherwise just play what you like

[slow saddle]

I mean u could just take what ever is op i guess but dno what that is

[eager sigil]

no they dont

except like worldfirst guilds

[slow saddle]

Then id just make an alt that compliments what ever guild setup u have

In case u gotta bring it suddenly

[latent moss]

mutilate wait for energy

mutilate wait for energy

cba

[tulip canyon]

for arms warrior what talent can i drop to take wrecking throw for rookery?

[slow saddle]

None?

[hollow plover]

you'd have to drop 2 talents since you'd be required to spec into intimidating as well

or no sry, into honed reflexes*

[reef birch]

how much crit above the DR is generally acceptable?

[hollow plover]

👏 ask 👏 the 👏 robot 👏 what 👏 item 👏 does 👏 more 👏 damage 👏

[reef birch]

people who parrot that are more of a robot than that thing could ever be

[hollow plover]

listen

are you thinking of using different items?

what to craft?

just sim it

genuinely

that will give you a more accurate answer than any person could give you

[reef birch]

I miss the age of critical thinking

[hollow plover]

our knowledge is based on what we've seen in sims

you nutcase

[slow saddle]

Theres no caps any more.m8

[halcyon breach]

Genuinely asking, why should someone go out of their way to calculate the optimal amount of stats for a certain set of gear, with how much time and effort it'd also take to get to some possibly somewhat reliable answer, when you could just use raidbots instead to arrive at a quicker, and better, answer?

[slow saddle]

No 8% hit chance or arp

But as a general rule

As slayer just take crit-haste

If u never wanna sim. U prob fine for the content u do

[reef birch]

then what does the true stat value addon show?

[slow saddle]

Lies

[hollow plover]

not entirely accurate information

kazzakPrayge

[slow saddle]

Problem with those is when u add a stat u also subtract 1. Then the stat weight can differ

Also simmin is just so easy

[reef birch]

..what does that haveto do with an adon the displays secondary statistics DR points?

[slow saddle]

Well its irrelevant info

If bot still wants haste even at 20% r

Who cares?

[tacit crystal]

me when i have 25k haste

on my mage and i still want more

[slow saddle]

Exactly

Either u trust bot

Or just go crit haste

And take mastery - versa when u must

[reef birch]

im using colosus m+ build, and both mastery and vers are at ~2000 at 673 ilvl

which strikes me as wrong

[tacit crystal]

me when that doesnt matter

[slow saddle]

Feely craft time

Just sim ?

[regal wharf]

ive read about it but im still unsure how you go about execute phase on colossus arms

esp in aoe

[slow saddle]

Well

[tacit crystal]

how aoe is aoe

[reef birch]

you dont do exe on aoe

[slow saddle]

Ms>op>exe>slam

If dt

St

[reef birch]

its only use in colosus is to generate overpower resets

[slow saddle]

In aoe same, exe pops infront of slam

Thats all

[hollow plover]

execute replaces slam as the filler while playing colossus arms build

[tacit crystal]

hi

[hollow plover]

hi gio

[tacit crystal]

https://tenor.com/view/those-who-mow-those-who-know-gif-6741124947321800836

[hollow plover]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/933386399279878154/1347570769441329202/watermark.gif

[regal wharf]

https://tenor.com/view/jonathan-rogers-path-of-exile-poe2-jonathan-rogers-gun-gif-2150875092934130042

[reef birch]

out of curiousity, what content do you imagine im doing

[tacit crystal]

i legit stopped simming 3 weeks ago

[hollow plover]

15s 16s

you're probably pugging 2 mythic bosses

shrug

[slow saddle]

Dno if u cba to use sims

10s

[tacit crystal]

simming does nothing when i just send crests on any m items

[hollow plover]

real

[reef birch]

@hollow plover its like you have a trojan running on my pc

[hollow plover]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/148898720803586048/1114308309143519383/IMG_3926.gif

ReadingKazzak

[reef birch]

im stealing the gif

[tacit crystal]

only point to sim atm is new trinket or moving tier

[hollow plover]

Nah i actually sim what to craft n shit when im boutta craft

[tacit crystal]

nah

[hollow plover]

but like 95% of the time theres only one path to go

[tacit crystal]

just send crit mast on low ilvl pieces

[hollow plover]

upgrade myth item from vault

Ok

[tacit crystal]

i mean yeah

i just crafted boots belt

low pieces that i cba waiting for in raid

[hollow plover]

i crafted neck to fix my secondary stats

i do big booms now

Ok

[tacit crystal]

and now im missing tier cloak and wrists?

[hollow plover]

https://tenor.com/view/dob-dob-dob-rizz-black-man-ha-ha-ha-gif-17039177668047803738

yo gio

do u own pummel party

[tacit crystal]

no sir

[hollow plover]

shyte

[tacit crystal]

mhmhm

https://tenor.com/view/mushu-gong-mulan-dragon-ringing-gif-16519515450341576601

[hollow plover]

gio do u wanna sword fish dance the jungle

[visual coyote]

Guys, can i replace Rend in ST rotation with Thunderclap?

[hollow plover]

yea

you lose like

500 dmg

[visual coyote]

Is there any difference between them?

[visual coyote]

Oh ty

[hollow plover]

nah you can easily just to tclap

[visual coyote]

Too much buttons

[hollow plover]

🤏

this far behind

no diffy

[tacit crystal]

i dont know what that is bud

[hollow plover]

did u do the darkfuse rep grind for that one tmog coat

[tacit crystal]

no

waste of my time

[tacit crystal]

i wonder what i should do keys on when the crests get uncapped

i think i should do mage bc it has more mythic track

[reef birch]

is dungeon slice or 5patch/5min the go-to for m+ sims?

[tacit crystal]

whne are you fighting 5 targets for 5 minutes straight

[reef birch]

most every trash pull

where they are stacked and chain interupted

[tacit crystal]

for 5 minutes

[slow saddle]

5m is nice if u measure trinkets

Imho

[hollow plover]

5min sims just tells u to go kezan

[slow saddle]

Ye so if u wanna more

Do

1m + 5m sim 5t

Shows u ya burst but also shows u trinkets

[heady shale]

What's the point of Slam?

It's like they wanna remove it from 4 expacs ago, but they cant

I understand to use it when MS/OP is off but at 40% haste do you even use it anymore

[potent creek]

ok so we remove slam

and at the start of next expansion

people with zero haste gonna ask to have slam back

i'm getting it right?

[arctic axle]

sounds about right

[heady shale]

No idea, asking about debloating and avoiding noob trap skills

[potent creek]

where is a trap in filler skill?

it is literally there to press when you can't press anything else

[rare kite]

Yes you use slam

[near nova]

heyo, does dreadnaught stack with the tier set?

[spiral coral]

I feel like I Slam quite a bit especially in ToP

Good button

Slam Spam in DF was… something else

[shadow ibex]

Just remove it and let you exe always

Not like execute does any damage

Need 15 stacks and a hero spec to make it hit harder than OP

[rare kite]

i mean in df you slammed less than now. coz tc and ww(with big ww) guaranteed tactician

rip big ww

[spiral coral]

Oh yeaaah it was ww spam lol

[spiral coral]

I would like this

[upbeat remnant]

guys

what pots shall i use in dungs

crit or mastery

i think that mastery is better on more adds and crit on single

[slow saddle]

Alchemical

Chaos

[upbeat remnant]

thank god that im so smart and answered my question alone

[spiral coral]

Alchemical Chaos for Flask, Tempered Potions for Combat.

[teal fossil]

Idk if I’d call it spam

It’s once every 12 seconds

[slow saddle]

I hated it

Only coz of tom and ip though

[lapis idol]

im kinda new to arms (super rarely play it) but im playing it for 1arm bandit and mugzee.

how much Kelpfist dummy dps should arms be doing approx. w/ arms gear (671) im doing 2.35M dps but that's w/ most of it in execute b/c the guy dies super fast. i stayed on the dummy until i did 1B overall damage

am i playing it wrong or is that normal

[shadow ibex]

Slam appears in a single tooltip across the whole spec tree and it's fob. Whole button gotta go

Burn it down

[potent cedar]

fuck saaaake

finally killed mugzee in a pug

on the kill where I fucked up

15 parse for me

[smoky kayak]

as is tradition

[smoky kayak]

more slam talents, got it

[potent cedar]

I feel like arms is such cheeks on mugzee

am I wrong

I struggle to do any damage

[slow saddle]

We just got rid of slam talents

Arms is decent just keep up jugger stacks

Also vs what?

Arms vs fury? Or other specs

[potent creek]

keep jug?

I know how to make slam better

we gonna rename it to heroic strike

new icon is optional

[slow saddle]

Ikr just get lucky

Im never

[potent cedar]

fury yeah

[slow saddle]

100% opposite here

[potent cedar]

I just suck ig

idk what I'm doing wrong

[dreamy egret]

Found their stance before going silent crazy to think they could have just avoided the backlash but scarizard had to be a twat.

[smoky kayak]

things change

[dreamy egret]

Yeah and they can be changed for the better with enough backlash

[smoky kayak]

good luck

https://tenor.com/view/the-princess-bride-billy-crystal-have-fun-storming-the-castle-gif-8749850

[dreamy egret]

It's fair for lfr to get heroic but a heroic raider can't have access to mythic loot ?

[slow saddle]

Well yes

[dim basalt]

Fair imo

[smoky kayak]

I think the argument is that the gulf between LFR and Heroic is not so big as the gulf between Heroic and Mythic (which is not to say that LFR is difficult by any means, so much as that Heroic is just extremely low effort at this point)

As well as the impact of said gear going forward into the next season

[dreamy egret]

And if they find that it's too impactful you balance the game around it or nerf the old items like they always have done...

[smoky kayak]

well it sounds like they already did

but by that I didn't mean the items themselves are too strong, I meant the already given answer that a typically normal or heroic mode player having the last tier's best Mythic items probably aren't going to replace it for all of the following season

which creates a problem with the progression curve that actually is kinda difficult to solve

• you can nerf the item for everyone, which obviously affects a lot more people
• you can increase the ilvl gap between last season and the next, which obviously affects a lot more people (and introduces other content-scaling concerns)

[dreamy egret]

You just increase the tuning of the dungeons and raids. The only reason they are doing this is to sell more wow tokens so people buy boosts.

[smoky kayak]

what does the difficulty of the dungeons and raids have to do with anything? I'm talking about the gear progression curve, upgrading from an item of the previous tier to one of the next tier

[slow saddle]

All i think they should add is upgrade tokens

So when u kill u can upgrade

[smoky kayak]

and that's a particularly craven way of looking at things, but sales are going to happen with or without this system, and players who wouldn't have been buying sales anyway aren't even going to be able to buy enough tokens to afford one unless the floor falls out hard

(there is a limit on how many tokens you can buy)

[slow saddle]

I mean who thinks ppl can afford mythic boosts

Ppl say it like normal players got 15-25m laying around

Or buy the tokens req for that

[olive nest]

I dont think heroic only players should be able to get mythic gallywix loot in a real season like this
I do also think adding a way to increase the heroic version of the dinar item only to mythic once you kill the mythic version would also be nice qol

[shadow ibex]

well we had 1

they removed it

i dont think it was used in any content in the game while it was around

[slow saddle]

Or mandatory

[smoky kayak]

I mean certainly some people do and will buy boosts... but they were probably already buying boosts anyway

the players who don't normally make tons of gold and don't normally buy boosts are probably not going to find much success funding their boost with WoW Tokens though, given that you are limited on how many tokens you can buy and the general Mythic sale price is dramatically higher

[lunar remnant]

Updates section still grayed out so sad

[dreamy egret]

If an lfr can have heroic track loot a heroic raider can have mythic ilvl loot simple.

[slow saddle]

20 euro a pop and u need what?

[smoky kayak]

surface level yes
but in reality no, it's just not that simple

as we've already discussed

[little forge]

you can get heroic loot from random weekly boxes doing 4 dungeons, heroic loot isnt mythic loot

[olive nest]

it would be insane to buy a mythic 8/8 boost with wowtokens thats easily what like $2,000USD roughly with current token value??

[smoky kayak]

exactly, the reason heroic loot is the floor is because heroic loot is already widely available and anything below is it easily outvalued

[olive nest]

no way anyone does that

[shadow ibex]

people will buy specific boss kills

[dreamy egret]

Are we taking mythic tier away from the level 10 weekly keystones as well ?

[shadow ibex]

i can see a lot of people buying only oab

[smoky kayak]

and ofcourse they want all players to be able to get something out of dinar, even if they're not necessarily getting the best thing out if it

[smoky kayak]

no, but that is by nature much more limited (and requires generally more effort)

[dreamy egret]

As with dinar was originally 2 they changed to 3

Mythic 10s are easier than gallywix heroic imo

[shadow ibex]

i think they are probably equal

its just more players who know how to do gally

[slow saddle]

M10 easier

[shadow ibex]

than 5 players who know a dungeon

[little forge]

these dinars are actual bad luck protection instead of extra loot for playing, pretty simple to understand

[smoky kayak]

idk, on an individual effort level, you can probably afk your way through H Gally a lot easier than even a +10

[shadow ibex]

its easier to get 5 people who know how to do an m10 than it is to get 10-20 that all know heroic gally perfect. but you dont need all 10-20 to know it perfect

just for sake of example

[slow saddle]

Tbh if we kill oab this season. Imma be so happy

[smoky kayak]

I mean the real compromise is that you should be able to buy M-track dungeon loot with dinar as well - at least give players a chance to get that Pacemaker or w/e that refuses to show up in their vault

[slow saddle]

Yup

[shadow ibex]

yea that seems like an oversight on their end

dinar should be gear for the season

not from the raid only

[slow saddle]

Though what req to get m+?

3k?

[shadow ibex]

so all seasonal gear, delve stuff m+ raid

[smoky kayak]

probably KSH or L at most

[little forge]

yeah i think that and adding an item that upgrades dinar items when you kill boss would be 2 solid qol changes, but i dont think they should change the having to kill boss to get it

[smoky kayak]

hell I wouldn't mind if it wasn't just portal achieves

[slow saddle]

Samr

[shadow ibex]

this also seems like an oversight

i assumed it would be base item with 10-15 ranks of upgrade

and you just unlock the next rank when you get that kill

[smoky kayak]

I'm less in favor of an upgrade, because that's just giving them the item with a few extra steps

however I am in favor of letting people upgrade if they kill that boss (e.g. buy H Diamond, kill M Gally, upgrade to M Diamond)

[shadow ibex]

like i didnt buy a mythic aug in s4. i bought aug with like 15 upgrade ranks

[olive nest]

heres the problem with that, we all know damn well all +10s is significantly easier to accomplish vs Cutting Edge

[smoky kayak]

you get the loot your earn, end of story

[shadow ibex]

yea but if the +10s thing is just dungeon loot

[olive nest]

so at that point why make raid items so much more restricted to get

[little forge]

yeah thats what i mean, you can upgrade your h item once you kill on mythic

[slow saddle]

This is what i meant at least

[smoky kayak]

I know nobody wants to feel left out

and it is a serious bummer seeing this system and knowing 'well that doesn't mean shit for me!'

that's a (completely separate) marketing failure on blizz part

but I don't believe the answer is "just give people free loot to make them feel better about themselves"

[shadow ibex]

at the same time, we as players create the social aspect

[olive nest]

if we want mythic M+ dinar it should be 3k achiev or something

[shadow ibex]

and 10000% people will be selling oab kills

[olive nest]

that requires effort

[shadow ibex]

for mega cheap

[smoky kayak]

so what

[shadow ibex]

i bet you will be able to get a oab kill prchased

for like 50k

[slow saddle]

Lel a mythic oab?

[shadow ibex]

that fight is gonna get even easier

[little forge]

el oh el

[shadow ibex]

in 3 weeks

[smoky kayak]

it'll still be in the millions

[olive nest]

I bet itll be 500k

[smoky kayak]

but honestly... I'm fine with that

[olive nest]

at first millions

[shadow ibex]

i dont think its gonna be super expensive if you really want that mythic bis

[olive nest]

eventually hundred thousands

[shadow ibex]

the boss is alrady melting

throw in how much more % raid buff?

and more gear

and corruption

[smoky kayak]

not because I do a whole lot of sales or anything, but I just don't really see an issue with it - they're still putting in effort

Sure it might not be the same kind of effort, but they're at least doing something to earn that piece, even if what they're doing is only economical

it's not perfect and I kinda wish sales didn't exist, but you can't really stop them either, so fuck it - it's still better than just giving out pity bis for free

[shadow ibex]

yea i dont have a problem with it

[slow saddle]

We are gettin A LOT of power ngl

[shadow ibex]

i just know that mythic oab loot is gonna have a big demand

and raiders will supply it

and there's gonna be a lot of raiders able to supply it

so its gonna be cheap

[smoky kayak]

I don't think it'll be as cheap as you imply, but I really couldn't care less

there are only so many aspects you can control

[shadow ibex]

i bet near the end of season you can get an alt oab mythic dinar loot unlocked for like 200k

if that

[slow saddle]

If ppl are willing to spend 200 euro for a bis item

[smoky kayak]

yeah you've said that repeatedly, we get it

[shadow ibex]

not 200 euro

[slow saddle]

Its fine

Well why buy tokens when u csn get gold cheaper

[lunar remnant]

every time I sim something then do what it says then it wants me to change something else... im losing tons of gold re-crafting and socketing

[slow saddle]

🤣

[smoky kayak]

yes - some people will buy their way in
no, I don't like it, but I don't really care either. It's not the end of the world and if that's how they want to spend their money, fine - it's their money

[pure otter]

AgREED

[smoky kayak]

I still think that's preferrable to just giving everyone a participation trophy

[pure otter]

they earned the cash they can spend it

[slow saddle]

Exaxtly time vs money

[pure otter]

happens irl

itll happen in game also

[gusty pine]

What are your thoughts on the original SL dinar system where you didn’t need to kill the specific boss but you did need to kill mythic bosses to be able to fully upgrade the gear you bought?

[slow saddle]

Exactly

[pure otter]

It was the end of the tier who cares

shit isnt real

[slow saddle]

Sucked if u are proggin

[smoky kayak]

I touched on it earlier, but I think it's effectively the same thing just with extra steps

I liked the system for Season 4, but don't think it fits a mid-expansion season as well; I still think it's stilly for people to get the best end boss items after just killing the early bosses a few times

[gusty pine]

True, it’s misery if you’re extending

[visual fern]

On the flip side, people sell M+ title as well

[smoky kayak]

sure

[visual fern]

Which go for more than most raid bosses

[smoky kayak]

and pvp carries all the time

[visual fern]

All these big boy M+ers could just sell title keys and buy raid bosses

[pure otter]

There just making a stinky cause its free money

Oh my god guys wow bad?

3 weeks later Wow good!

the cycle continues

[smoky kayak]

they make a stink because the people complaining, by and large, aren't the "big boys" - it's the people who do +10s, maybe a few +12s or even a +14 and like to think they're going to be big boys

[pure otter]

Fuck em

if ya aint killin it you dont deserve it simple as

what they gunna do show up in ur key and do 0 kicks and 0 damage?

[smoky kayak]

other than tettles, the actual high end M+ pushers... aren't really complaining about dinar lol

[pure otter]

tettles needs that bag 2

i aint blamen em

go get it king

Dinars are great catcup, i get if people are upset that there alt cant use it or something but if u want it that bad go get it, its right fucking there.

[smoky kayak]

the actual high end players already know that you need to explore every avenue if you truly wanna be competitive

[pure otter]

Yep

just do all 3

[gusty pine]

Fair enough, not sure I can relate to economic activity counting as it feeling earned but the SL system (perhaps with some tweaks) not counting. I also don’t care that much and would rather we have a system that does nothing for me than entirely free loot being handed out.

[pure otter]

pvp pve and delves

:C

[smoky kayak]

there's no such thing as "truly competitive" while also only doing the bare minimum - in virtually anything, wow related or not

[pure otter]

hate delves

[slow saddle]

Give us myth track delve gear

[pure otter]

on god

[slow saddle]

🤣

[pure otter]

mythic track heart and monster energy would go so hard

fuck khazan eye fuck house of card all my boomers are juicin

/slurp

also i like the potion drinking sound it spams

[smoky kayak]

I think a lot of it comes down to expectations - blizz hyped up dinar as a mid-season system which gets a lot of people excited... for something they ultimately may not even necessarily engage with

whereas if we'd gone into the season from the start with this in mind, response would have been a whole lot more tempered

so yeah it's a failure of marketing and managing expectations

[pure otter]

Man imagine if i had to do a t11 delves for mythic track delve trinkets

[slow saddle]

Tbf that

[gusty pine]

Oh yeah, this is a massive failure to communicate.

[pure otter]

ngl id probably be making youtube vids 2

Fuckin blizz expecting me to engage with the content what the fuck shizzard!

I pay 15 bucks and bought a carry

wheres my trinket

[smoky kayak]

also a lot of it is on players too, a lot of them want best thing simply because it's best thing, without any real concept of how good/bad it is

[pure otter]

yeah just get heroic versions

if its good enough for wf players to kill bosses with it

its good enough for me

(im bad pease give me more ilvl)

[smoky kayak]

H Jastor is still going to be a big upgrade for everyone who doesn't already have it - yes M would be better, but that doesn't mean that H is bad

• H Jastor is still much better than even a max crafted ring
• M Jastor is only a small (<1%) upgrade over H Jastor

[pure otter]

U said it best players dont think in %

like all these items are like a 12k upgrade for me

wich is nic

but fucking nothing

in the grand scheme of things

[sacred zodiac]

buying an unupgradeable hc jastor would just feel bad lol

[smoky kayak]

it's hard to, unless you really have a strong familiarity with the system

[pure otter]

the 8 extra ilvl will be way fuckin more

on everything

[smoky kayak]

Yeah, I don't disagree

[pure otter]

holy fucking shit

yeah i do think its fair to be able to upgrade it later, if not im saving my dinars

[slow saddle]

Ye ilvl upgrade is huuge

[smoky kayak]

6 more but yeah

[visual fern]

Stop cap misinformtiros
Tettles (my king) says H > M jastor is 3% and he would never lie to me nor exaggerate to make a point

[pure otter]

oh shit my b

i dont kn ow how 2 count

[visual fern]

[pure otter]

warrior moment

[slow saddle]

3% overall dmg?

[pure otter]

i mean to be fair to tettles it could have just been a mistake maybe his class its 3% higher?

[smoky kayak]

I love that guilty asked for the proof and he just stopped responding

[pure otter]

its probably not intentinal is all i ment

[visual fern]

Not how it works

[pure otter]

Oh

well true my bad

[eager sigil]

guilty my beloved

[slow saddle]

So he meant 3% for weap + ring + trinket?

[pure otter]

my b i dont keep up with internet stuffz im really bad at keeping things in my head

[eager sigil]

probably

[pure otter]

just enough space to keep expansion changes in

then im outa ram

speaking of i need to sim if crafting a weapon is better then fully heroic bis weapon i thiink i know the answer but i wanna make sure

[visual fern]

Prob meant that, but the wording on what he actually posted is omega poor

[pure otter]

(or ill pretend to know the answer and say i knew it all along)

[eager sigil]

it is

[pure otter]

Fuck!

[smoky kayak]

anyway, real solution to the dinar mess is to also make M-Track dungeon gear purchasable for people who have KSH/KSL/whatever

and then in future seasons, do away with dinar and create a more comprehensive system that's active from the start of the season instead, so that players can temper their expectations accordingly

[visual fern]

Transmute pitch went hard

[pure otter]

please make all my gear upgradable and dinarable!

i want to be a walking crest like in df season 1

[slow saddle]

I think its fine blp enters at a 05 patch

[pure otter]

full crafted bis!

craftzodia

[smoky kayak]

Thanks, I refined it a lil and sent it in yesterday... though sadly it's way too good an idea for Blizz to ever use

[pure otter]

god speed spiderman

it may be something they implement later or 2 expacs later

break transmute incase of low subs

[smoky kayak]

in so many words, I suggested that instead of mid-season dinar, Blizz integrate bad luck protection into the Catalyst instead - allowing players to use charges to convert an item to a specific boss drop of the same type & difficulty

• e.g. if you defeated H Bandit, you can use X Catalyst charges to convert a Hero-track weapon into H BiS
• if you've defeated M Gally, you can use X Catalyst charges to convert a Myth-track ring into M Diamond
• same for dungeons, provided you've earned some achievement (portal, KSH, whatever)

For any item on that dungeon/boss loot table, as long as you've defeated them on the appropriate difficulty

[slow saddle]

Sep from catalyst i buy it

[smoky kayak]

combined with the catalyst, just two options - you can make tier as normal, or you can convert items; for balancing reasons I'd probably make Very Rare/Cantrip items cost more charges, because obviously the intent isn't to just let people "buy" the best item each time they beat a new boss

And they can always counterbalance costs by simply adding more charges as achievements rewards similar to the current KSM

• i.e. give players another charge for Cutting Edge or 4k io, or whatever

[slow saddle]

Ye but again punishes normal players. Or makes guilds send tier to prefered players

[visual fern]

Or makes guilds send tier to prefered players
This happens already anyway

[smoky kayak]

it doesn't punish them at all, at least not any more than the current system does

[slow saddle]

Yes but now u would get even more fucked coz u would be behind on charges

[smoky kayak]

if anything it's better for them too, because it gives them an avenue to that M+ trinket that they never got to show up in the vault

[visual fern]

It's also like "Player A has tier already, he can use his charges to transmute X item. X item drop can be given to someone else now"

[smoky kayak]

^

there are multiple avenues for tier

in the same way that you might get all your tier from vault and therefore have no use for your catalyst charges, I might get all my teir from catalyst and therefore be able to take other things from vault

and that's the biggest benefit of this system - it's active from the start of the patch, so you can plan for it as you go, based on what gear you get, what bosses you beat, and what gear you still need

As opposed to waiting for dinar that may or may not come, at an undisclosed point, without knowing how many you'll get, how quickly you'll get them, or what their limitations will be

and even if you feel like you fall behind, it's not a finite set of currency like dinar - you will always get more charges over time

[slow saddle]

Are we halfway season 2 or?

[smoky kayak]

well we don't know when S3 releases so idk

[visual fern]

.5 patch is halfway through the cycle surely

[smoky kayak]

probably thereabouts

probably less actually

• S1 started on Sept 10
• S2 started on Mar 4
  that's.. 25 weeks?

and we're in the 8th week of S2

[visual fern]

9 weeks to max dinar from here

8 weeks of max dinar gaming

That's crazy

Bosses are gonna flop so fast

Raid buff, ilvl buff, dinars, more nerfs, just more loot in general from vaults/time

[viral locust]

Playtime is king in these ideas, why would they implement something that gives you item faster then you get bored and log til next raid. Vs farming house of cards for 12 weeks to keep you logging in

Needs to be some kind of 1/12 weekly thing, kill boss get part of a gear catalyst token so you farm for 12 weeks still and get the item as bad luck protection for blizz to bite

[smoky kayak]

the ilvl buff is wild

[smoky kayak]

you say that, and its a very popular narrative, but most devs don't actually think that way

[swift crown]

I cant wait for Lockenstock to die before second intermission

[smoky kayak]

pacing is important, yes
but arbitrarily log-in metrics aren't actually a thing most designers consider

that said, the idea actually is limited by time, since obviously you get charges over time (1 every 2 weeks, so if it requires 3 charges to convert your ring to diamond, that's a 6 week investment) - that's pacing, but unlike dinar, it's done in a way that's plannable and predictable from the start of a season - not shoehorned in as a surprise halfway through the season

[viral locust]

Devs sure, corporate I doubt thinks that way 😁

[smoky kayak]

in broad strokes sure, but they very rarely get involved in day to day design details

of course people care about gameplay metrics, but the real secret of success is that if your game is enjoyable... people will log in and play it regardless

and unsurprisingly, Season 2 has been pretty damn popular so far without dinar or any other kind of "log in every week for x weeks to get your prize" mechanics

[visual fern]

Why would I play something if I don't have to? For FUN? That's crazy....

||Obligatory /s ofc||

[smoky kayak]

banned for having too much fun

[fresh spire]

✊ but i want my unearned items put straight into my hand. It encourages boosts!
Also pvp boosts and mplus boosts running just as rampent as the "impending boost crisis" of dinars

How many was banned in china for all the title boost abusing last season

[reef glade]

my gameplay is so affected by lfr larry having a mythic trinket or weapon 😢😢😢😢

[fresh spire]

🤝

[rose matrix]

I mean buying a boost for the raid to get two myth pieces is different than M+ boosts but I get your point

One is much more expensive than either of the other 2

[fresh spire]

people buy 8 of the one every week

lets be real people who was already willing to spend money to buy raid boosts for dinars probs would be doing same for items/mounts anyway

[rose matrix]

Either way saying since boosting is already problem then more boosting doesn't matter is dumb

[olive nest]

I'm honestly indifferent about it

[rose matrix]

But I think people are really exaggerating how many people will actually buy a boost in the raid

[olive nest]

I see the value in wanting to have the boss defeated before getting its loot

I also dont care if they throw the heroic gamers a bone

[fresh spire]

as someone who will kill these bosses, its nice to know i have some bad luck protection now

[rose matrix]

I completely understand agreeing with the design

[fresh spire]

feel me

[rose matrix]

I don't understand the people that would be mad if other people got 2 pieces without killing the bosses

[fresh spire]

why should i kill boss in first place then ?

[reef glade]

is your only motivation to raid with people loot

[olive nest]

exactly, it would invalidate the effort put in to defeat the boss

[rose matrix]

Yeah two armor pieces 4 months in would invalidate everything you did

For sure

[fresh spire]

im glad the like 600 pulls across the tier to kill all the bosses let alone get my item is just given to some random alt that logged in and did lfr 4 times (probs not 600 this tier probs more like 400)

[visual fern]

Yes

[rose matrix]

That is what is cringe

[visual fern]

I don't raid for the boys

I don't raid for the challenge

[olive nest]

why should you have mythic jastor ring for free when i spent months progressing the raid with a team to get it

[reef glade]

im glad spending 600 pulls on tindral and fyrakk each got me fyralath in the last like 2-3 weeks before it was guaranteed

[rose matrix]

Why do you care so much about a shitter getting two myth pieces

[visual fern]

I don't raid for the memories

[olive nest]

not quite equal is it?

[reef glade]

real shit

[visual fern]

I don't raid for the parse

I only raid for loot

[potent creek]

based

[rose matrix]

Were you the same guy who was mad when you saw a LFR andy with Fyralath?

[zealous pivot]

its highly unlikely someone would even get it natty unless theyre in like a top 3-400 guild

[visual fern]

||(I'm cap yapping btw)||

[zealous pivot]

at least very rare drops

[fresh spire]

can't parse without the loot

[visual fern]

Loot backwards is tool and that's honestly how I view it

[olive nest]

I cant tell if garms is memeing or not but i quite literally raid for two reasons, spending time with the homies and to get the best loot

[visual fern]

Loot is a tool to help kill boss

[olive nest]

i wouldnt waste my time if the loot wasnt a higher ilvl

[visual fern]

After boss die who care

[reef glade]

which is why i want the loot before the boss

to not waste more time on it

[fresh spire]

upfront payment

[reef glade]

yes

[zealous pivot]

im the only one with even hero jastor out of my guild

[reef glade]

can you pay me in advance

https://tenor.com/view/lolol-mdr-jameson-happy-gif-13735817

[fresh spire]

you serious?!

[rose matrix]

If they did do it like they did in DF would you have just quit mythic raid?

[reef glade]

no one wouldve

[fresh spire]

probs killing mythic gallywix week they come out so unlikely 🤷‍♂️

[rose matrix]

Would your gameplay have changed at all?

How would your progression change?

[visual fern]

People getting omegabis gear doesn't change how I interact with the game

I don't care

[reef glade]

🫡

[rose matrix]

That is right! It wouldn't affect it at all

[visual fern]

There's the small vanity hit sure but like

End of the day

Who cares

It's just pixels

[reef glade]

buh buh my achievement that people can just buy anyway D:

[rose matrix]

The people who would be mad about people getting items without the bosses killed is as bad as the people who want it handed to them

[olive nest]

Idk man i get it, I'm also extremely loot progression driven in this game

I find myself struggling to want to play when im maxed out

[visual fern]

That's the vanity part though, right?

[reef glade]

whats weird to me is i like want to play the game the most when im maxed out

actually have a chance to be on equal footing with omega parsers

s4 df was like the best raiding i ever played for that reason

[fresh spire]

and those damn splitters ✊

[reef glade]

yea tru

[visual fern]

So I understand that part, but say lfr larry getting mythic jastor, doesn't change how I interact with the raid/m+

[reef glade]

padding on adds 20manning a 30man

[visual fern]

Lfr larry is a nonfactor

To my experience

[rose matrix]

Yeah if they did it like they did in S4 it would literally have no affect on anyone

[fresh spire]

can we add dinars to mythic plus that give me season title too

defo deserve that

[tacit crystal]

me when i want tournament realm

no gearing

just cranka

[reef glade]

i mean sure but literally no one is playing that

[tacit crystal]

parse demons are

?

[reef glade]

parses against what 5 other people

[tacit crystal]

its legit what happened in s4

you got everything you needed

random shit you just had to get normally

[reef glade]

any tindral tank trinket abusers in chat

w critcake strat

[rose matrix]

Honestly though the dinars just shouldn't exist at all

[fresh spire]

wot

[tacit crystal]

zolshii playing ret

wtf

[visual fern]

See now this affects how I interact with the game

[fresh spire]

hahahhaa

[reef glade]

[tacit crystal]

just abuse the trinket

[reef glade]

^

[visual fern]

Fuck swordish

[tacit crystal]

[visual fern]

[reef glade]

[fresh spire]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-smirk-dog-smirking-evil-gif-1174039551531775064

[reef glade]

me when tmy still like private logs at 970k or something anyway

fuckin bitch

[tacit crystal]

real

[visual fern]

Ok stop right there

Dinar good concept

[tacit crystal]

@dull siren hi :3

[olive nest]

tmy is actual animal at warrior

[visual fern]

Implementation not the best

[olive nest]

and feral

xD

[visual fern]

Ok there's diff kinds of animals

Are we talking like

Panda

[tacit crystal]

lion

[reef glade]

both

[tacit crystal]

https://tenor.com/view/those-who-mow-those-who-know-gif-6741124947321800836

[olive nest]

like prime gorilla bro

the biggest silverback

youve ever seen

[fresh spire]

https://tenor.com/view/stan-twitter-banana-animals-eating-monkey-gif-7079654822803424640

[tacit crystal]

hes a lion

those who know

[fresh spire]

we talking huge pillar one shot

[visual fern]

Neanderthals clear prime silverback and lion

Idk bro...

[tacit crystal]

do you want to do keys

[reef glade]

no

[tacit crystal]

😦

[reef glade]

ear supreme

[fresh spire]

me rn

[tacit crystal]

what is that

[fresh spire]

gotta finish story reee

[reef glade]

havent done 3.0 lole

half the chars no speak

https://tenor.com/view/castorice-hsr-honkai-star-rail-hsr-castorice-gif-8066283343502947040

[fresh spire]

barely did 3.0, just started.1

[tacit crystal]

wtf is ear supreme

[tacit crystal]

imallears

[fresh spire]

next few updates of characters tho

https://tenor.com/view/wallet-gif-25866507

my wishing pool be like

[reef glade]

cotton candy barbara looks nice

and apparently she drags blade out of the depths of hell

from being dogshit to good again

at least whats what i gathered from a meme i saw

[fresh spire]

shes gonna be good, Cypher gonna be good, Pinnon gonna be good, Fate colab gonna be good, all the buffs to the stelleron hunters and jingliu

so much good stuff

[tacit crystal]

@fresh spire are there any good games coming out

[reef glade]

surely firefly gets a buff

cluegi

[fresh spire]

she got a new costume

so hopefully 🙏

[tacit crystal]

all gacha games are dead or im behind 3 years

[reef glade]

there are literally only like

4-5 real ones

and 3 of them are by the same company

[tacit crystal]

hsr zzz gi wuwa ???

what else

[fresh spire]

do you like bad story but less power creep, good story but huge power creep, or many jiggle physics

[tacit crystal]

i want turn based

[reef glade]

ik u not talm bout genshin bad story

blow up

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and not be behind 3 years of meta

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hsr is turn based

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i dunno, people seem to hate natlan

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gl with that secnod thing tho

just get newest char

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yeah 2nd condition

cluegi

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now enjoy monstatd with no voice acting gg

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up for the next 5 days

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bro aint no way im rerolling on hsr

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prolly one of the best chars and is the first one to have a global passive! 😄 peopel def arent upset about that 😄

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its not even op

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i mean

1 free rez on any team you play ever

whether shes there or not

is kinda op

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(do you have it)

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if you died in any content, you die to the boss follow up anyway as it gets 2 turns

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if u dont have aventurine

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speaking of

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i mean u just die on 2nd hit sometimes no

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do you even play hsr anymore

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but like aventurine almost impossible to die

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:kekw

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it sure happened in 3.0 moc tho

freak

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what can i say, hes fucking broken

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wat ever happened to the girls frontline game

did it flop hard

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idk its still there

what nikke?

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isnt it still popular?

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think its like randomly decent ish story

just that gameplay looks atrocious

space invaders but jiggling asscheeks

bronya first standard 5star 🙏

queen shit

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need to buff break meta

shits dying hard like dot

kafka buffs are pretty insane

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i mean rappa still broken in any content

but other 2 mdps are kinda meh yea

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nono some game that wasnt nikke

wtv

ig i just wait for new gacha game in 3 years after genshin dies

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may be decent estimate

rly not sure what happens after like the main story is over

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genshin classic

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like 2-maybe 3 ish zones they plan on goin to

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maybe go the route of honkai and do genshin 2 :sus:

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i got a haircut today

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w harmony trailblazer

mindboggling i used ratio that much tho

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holy

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that guy was super ass

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how many ears is that

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i started playing like the last day before he became not free

end of 2.1 i think

so just kinda like my main dpser guy for like a month or so probably

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oh nah

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mines somewhat spread outside aventurine

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w yunli

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shes falling off a little now 😦

used to carry pure fiction

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i mean

she is the hoolay killer

that about it

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Hooley vs castorice tho was badass

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yer

the new AS is pretty cool

pick someone to 1v1

i tried both her and casto

tho idk yunli just way more fun

think yunli is maybe like the most "engaging" character

like it feels like ur actually fighting the guy since she counters

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i like her playstyle

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and timing her ult and stuff

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seen the silverwolf buff

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idk havent seen specifics of any buffs just that they happenin

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uh

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sw def needs somethin tho

💀

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||current leak is her shred is 65% and her ult hits all targets, her E now implants all teams weaknesses to the target and inflicts the type shred (unlike anaxa)||

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idk what anaxa does either but ye that sounds kinda good

all team weaknesses like at the same time tho? sounds kinda silly

so weakness types just matter actually nothing with her on the team

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basically does what her E is with his ult to all targets. but he doesn't inflict the type weakness damage amp just the toughness breaking part

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which i mean kinda fair

hacker woman bring on any team and u can break weakness the theme of that not horrible

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he also does huge damage

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yea prolly

erudition no

thats just what they do

since all content in the game is erudition now

pf moc as

o7 hunt

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gallighar going back to the bench after everyone pulls the primogem girl

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i havent picked my free standard 5star cuz they all suck

have e4 bronya could get e5 lol

but like sunday still just clears methinks

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im waiting, they will add more to it eventually

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to the standard? highly doubt that

like the one for 300 wishes

not the free 5star token

already got e1 rm

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wait the standard pick or the golden orb thing

i took himiko as i needed her at the time for when pure fiction first launched

himiko t0 with herta felt unreal after both being F tier 😄

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wish i could pick a 5star weap instead

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real

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https://www.youtube.com/shorts/vzZjTPN-J80

slight volume warnin maybe

blade saved doe