arms

[drifting widget]

Amirdrassil was not so unbalanced in terms of damage profile

...and I hate playing BS in ST...

[quasi torrent]

just play ravager

Honest

its slightly better exe, slightly worse pre exe
slightly worse total

just play rav

[stable fiber]

this happens with a lot of specs dw

arcane last tier was like this, you would go from 14th on dps meter to first because of spymasters and hitting execute

arms is just a heavier rng spec that some, there is a lot to this spec that can change the damage you do.

the variance with this spec is MASSIVE, tactician procs, slayer strike procs, sudden death procs, ms crits, juggernaut as a whole

[drifting widget]

even with all that, you arent catching a dev or ww unless the fight goes loooooooooonnnng

[stable fiber]

for example i just did a heroic gally pug, both pulls we lusted on pull, one i sustained like 2.9 dps throughout the entirety of the first phase, the second i was at 2m dps when we phased.

[drifting widget]

our dev opens up for 10mill dps on ST.....

[stable fiber]

oh yeah the dev in my group opened for 12m dps

that spec is busted ngl

[drifting widget]

its stupid

[stable fiber]

they dont carry it though

(obviously)

[drifting widget]

arms dama profile is dogshit and fury is ass to play

[stable fiber]

i think the profile is fine

it does exactly what its designed to do

[drifting widget]

The spec tree options to even put the damage profile just aren't there in ST slayer. You should be able to change that damage profile, but it doesn't do it well enough

[stable fiber]

maybe im misinterpreting what you mean

do you want a more consistent throughput spec that doesnt rely on execute?

[drifting widget]

Yeah

[stable fiber]

because arms is THE execute spec and usually always is THE execute spec.

just play colossus then lol

more consistent with a worse execute

actually it has like no execute

skullsplitter colossus really isnt too far behind afaik

it sounds like you want a spec that can be on top of the meters the entire pull which in my eyes, sounds like you just want to play a spec thats broken (devastation)

[drifting widget]

I want a spec that has flexibility

[stable fiber]

so fury...?

[drifting widget]

Where none of the buttons actually do anything...

[stable fiber]

past saving

[rare kite]

should never compare to the best spec in the game. recipe for depression

[nova marsh]

Is dev actually that good?

[rare kite]

for raid yes

[nova marsh]

I love how evoker has both the best and worst class in the game for dps

[narrow ore]

To get the Funhouse Lens trinket, I can do any delve or a specific one?

[sacred zodiac]

any delve

[lethal acorn]

This is what I play in raid, I hate bladestorm unless it's pvp and I hate the slayer hero tree

[stable fiber]

im also certain its not super far behind either

its still worse but like, not super worse

[nova marsh]

Hey guys

Did u like the maw in shadowlands

[rare kite]

no, but i liked it more than korthia

[nova marsh]

Not a high bar ngl

Korthia was so bad

[stable fiber]

zereth mortis was a good time

[nova marsh]

Mortis was decent honestly

[stable fiber]

its just kinda forgettable i feel

[nova marsh]

Like all of shadowlands honestly

Aside from S2 of it because....ya know....almost killed the game

[minor gust]

I hope whoever decided to fix this stubs their toe as hard as possible.

[sacred zodiac]

it was an unintuitive mess and deserved to be shot

[nova marsh]

genuinely really cringe

[minor gust]

If they wanted to fix this venting flames needs to happen way less often

[near radish]

What was the arms visual isssue?

[minor gust]

The cadence makes the fight so fucking boring

[rare kite]

cs/wb looked like garbage

[nova marsh]

phantom weapons are cringe

[minor gust]

Love constantly standing afk

[nova marsh]

KUJO was a mistake

It's like you took the second boss from tol dagor

DEcided "hey we should have them afk more"

And made it free but so, so dman boring

[halcyon valve]

Exactly

This may be an unpopular opinion
But mechagon sucks fat balls

In general

[brittle fiber]

That’s not unpopular at all

The zone sucked

The lore sucked

No one wanted mechagnomes

[minor gust]

Change makes it worse

Why do you wanna afk and not hit the boss

[brittle fiber]

Fully robotic king somehow has a son made of flesh

[sacred zodiac]

why do you wanna be reliant on your tank placing the boss in a very specific finnicky way

its not even good skill expression its just does your tank understand how that los mechanic is applied

[nova marsh]

This is exactly why Kujo is fuckin cringe

Cannot wait for this boss to be outta rota fuck it

[minor gust]

I don't get this mentality because a tank can fuck it up and make it so you can't hit it you rather just never be able to hit it at all. The compensation nerf they did to kujo doesn't even come close to making up for it.

If they made venting flames % based and it happened 2 or 3 times that would be a good change.

[brittle fiber]

Forced downtime has always been a cringe mechanic

[minor gust]

It's absurd levels of downtime with how often that mechanic happens

[brittle fiber]

A dungeon with 2 bosses that has forced downtime snoozefest

BFA actually had a lot of forced downtime now that i think about it

[sacred zodiac]

id rather them make the mechanic intuitive than not ye

obvs being forced into downtime that often is cringe but a conditional los mechanic that bad has no right to be in modern wow

[nova marsh]

I don't think it deserves to be in any time of wow

Honestly wish they would've just reworked the boss to like be actually threatening and not just an idiot check

[minor gust]

Sure I can see that but I still disagree with it. I dont care that the mechanic is more intuitive the boss is now actively worse because of this change.

[nova marsh]

Guys

Was cata SERIOUSLY like 13 years ago?

[steady pilot]

Bro. Legion was in 2016.

[nova marsh]

LEGION WAS NINE YEARS AGO?

[rare kite]

it ended in 2018 so for me it was 6.5 years ago

[sacred zodiac]

2013 was 24 years ago

let that sink in

[minor gust]

[steady pilot]

Wait wrong vibe

[magic canopy]

spongie was 15 ago

makes you think

[sacred zodiac]

what the hell

[magic canopy]

i miss blue spongie

[sacred zodiac]

@dawn stag

[magic canopy]

red spongie isnt the same

[stark cape]

It literally just took me 30 minutes to get invited into a 10 group at 668.

Feel like if your not 3kio or 2900 your just not getting invited as a non S Tier class.

[sacred zodiac]

you are significantly behind the curve ye

[ruby agate]

Ilvl hasn’t meant anything for a while

[nova marsh]

Welcome to pugging

[sage badge]

Arms owns

[nova marsh]

But ur third deswind

[sage badge]

I buffed the other two

[nova marsh]

Enhance warr and feral own thou tbh

also what key

[sage badge]

DFC

[nova marsh]

Damn

SOme nice blastings

[sage badge]

At least I blew up the mine cart on first boss

[brittle fiber]

That’s all well and good but what are you doing to get blizzard to remove juggernaut

[copper garden]

Ya he’s not third, 5% of their damage is actually his damage because battle shout.

[nova marsh]

you mean remove arms

[nova marsh]

KEK

[dawn stag]

im dead

[brittle fiber]

Isnt enhance shaman magic damage?

[nova marsh]

Kind of?

[brittle fiber]

Would be getting buffed more by the dh than the warrior

[nova marsh]

Not really

this season enhance does a fuck ton of physical

And like all of your damage is physical as totemic to some degree

[solid tundra]

The fury guys suggested I sim 1 target 5 mins and 5-8 targets at 40 seconds. Is that roughly what you guys sim for Arms?

[brittle fiber]

I dont sim arms aoe

[teal fossil]

shout is 5% of all of enh damage

dh is 3% of his magic damage only

and magic is like half

[brittle fiber]

5% of his physical damage*

Or is attack power equivalent to any form of melee damage now

They should just make battle shout give primary stat to make it desirable in caster comp for keys

[minor gust]

many spells are attack power scaling with melee

[lunar remnant]

Damn I was pumping my ass off in a 14 but couldn’t beat the rogue 😦

3.89m he was 4.04m

[nova marsh]

Guys...I have a v ery stupid question

Why is it when you go into lower keys ( like going down from 12s and 13s), have you ever just played poorly...despite like

KNowing exactly what to do

[brittle fiber]

yea i die a lot in 10's but usually never die in 12's and 13's

my standards usually drop unless it's a group with high io

[nova marsh]

And I get called trash by friends because "lmao you bricked the key!" Like my brain just

shuts off

The instant I go below a 12.

[brittle fiber]

i mainly pug 10's

[nova marsh]

I haven't done a 10 in like 3 weeks

because I've just been lazer focused on pushing

[vast drum]

how likely is it that there's another trinket buff? Ik I'm wasting a bag spot on a mythic red button but idk

[stable fiber]

its a 2 min trinket so it likely will never be good for you

if it wasnt a 2 minute trinket it probably would be good

[rare kite]

Depends which red button he's talking about. One is a 3m cd

[stable fiber]

nope they are both 2 minutes

right

torqs is a 2 minuter, the razdunks doesnt give stats so the cd doesnt really matter, both are 2 min cds

[ebon fern]

I was leveling up the key for warrior, low level ofc, priory +4, tank pulls everything at the start, dies, group wipes and then leaves, new key, everything goes well, and randomly the pala dps leaves, would have been an easy +3, im like, wtf is going on??

Still finished, but wtf?

[stable fiber]

m+ is weird at low key levels

you can get bad streaks of bad players or weird players

[ebon fern]

Honestly, everyone was doing relatively the same damage, with more or less the same ilvl, packs died rapidly, and then randomly the pala leaves, like..?

[stable fiber]

ik ive had like ~3 guild keys ive had to leave due to some irl bullshit happening at the same time

stuff does happen

the tank wiping you though is just bad play by that guy

[ebon fern]

But at 6am?

Oh well

[rare kite]

Oh they changed it from ptr then

Mb

[stable fiber]

all good

yeah torqs was 3 minutes wasnt it

i remember that

they made it 2 minutes and its just really bad for warrior now

[rare kite]

Yuh. It was shit anyway tho

[stable fiber]

idk i thought it would have been bis

actually

nvm

house of cards would be better by a lot

[rare kite]

Was undertuned, on ptr it was a 3m transmitter with less stats ahaha

[stable fiber]

transmitter was ahead of its time

its still the best sub rogue trinket until heroic house of cards lmao

[rare kite]

Same for ww monk

[stable fiber]

i feel like the torq trinket could be used on vexie maybe

[ebon fern]

Honestly, i think one of the best designed trinkets they have ever made was the tome in nerub palace

Why? Becuase you decide when yo use it, so it's good on every caster

[rare kite]

Tome? Spymasters?

[ebon fern]

Yes

Spymaster

[stable fiber]

it was a op ass trinket and was fun to use in mythic

that was awful to use in heroic though

bosses died at 20 stacks lmao

[ebon fern]

I guess the main disadvantage was that death was very punishing for it

But that's about it

[stable fiber]

i got some crazy arcane execute on queen prog with that trinket

its a shame i never got the mythic version

[tulip canyon]

is taking shattering throw for rookery the play?

[nova marsh]

wrecking

Don't use shattering in PvE

[hollow wave]

You guys really like to play as arms or:
It's just you are used to
It's the best m+ warrior spec
Too old to learn other things
Have a nostalgic obsession

[tulip canyon]

what talents you drop to take wrecking @nova marsh

[stable fiber]

i did it to prove im not a fury one trick

lmao

[nova marsh]

I don't play arms this season just wanted to make sure u knew wrecking was a thing

Cuz pve dosent have immunities

[stable fiber]

its a hard one to get too

cooking something

[tulip canyon]

Yea i know... i took a point out of bounding stride and reinforced plates lmfao

wasnt the play

[stable fiber]

put it back into reinforced

really all you can sacrifice is shockwave

or seismic reverberations

and its definetly not seismic

you COULD remove double time, i dont think charge is important in that dungeon too much, double time is good quality of life though

yeah seismic is like the worst talent i could have told you to get rid of, dont do that under any scenario

[brittle fiber]

taking wrecking throw means taking honed reflexes which imo is the most dog shit talent in the history of wow

i am a firm hater of honed reflexes

[stable fiber]

it use to be good

but they changed it for some reason

[stable fiber]

double time doesnt matter much in rookery really

[brittle fiber]

it used to reduce overpower cd right?

[stable fiber]

also like is it really even worth it

[stable fiber]

i believe so

it was a dps gain to take it for every spec

its still a slight dps gain for arms in raid but thats forbidded tech i believe

and when i say slight

i mean less than 100 on average

[brittle fiber]

id take honed reflexes if it was combined with concussive blows

still niche scenario but at least it makes it more desirable

[stable fiber]

i should start taking it in raid actually, the second bladestorm sometimes storm bolt isnt up in time

make it more consistent (super degenerate)

[brittle fiber]

if my arms parses came down to whether i had honed reflexes or not, i'd shoot myself

unless youre getting super lucky with execution stacks, you should always have a stormbolt available for bladestorm anyways

[reef glade]

ion think arms parses are coming down to having storm bolt talented at all

[brittle fiber]

i switched all my gear towards fury stats anyways

i'll use arms in oab and maybe mugzee, but despite gearing towards arms at first, my statweights were still stinky

[nova marsh]

I'm pretty sure it just comes down to "Can you carry jugg the whole fight" lowkey

[glass zenith]

during execute phase to i want to make sure i have 2 stacks of executioners precision as well as 2 stacks of overpower or dont worry about overpower stacks

[slow saddle]

Op if conditionsnare met

If not ms on cd with 2 ep

[glass zenith]

ty

[naive sage]

Am I odd if I find colossus boring in m+? I really wanted slayer to be viable

[nova marsh]

I did too man

But warr can't be a class where all the trees are good in multiple settings

[warped ether]

Colossus feels dodo imo aswell

If they buffed jugg stacks to 30 sec that would be heaven

Surely they will

[brittle fiber]

i get pretty bored of the ramp

[nova marsh]

Guys

Do u rip aggro in keys?

[eager sigil]

with dh tanks yea

but that class is so shit

also you arent really ripping aggro they just never got it

[dim basalt]

Common with dh tanks yes

[tacit crystal]

^

just dont send cs demo collat cleave in 3 globals

and you should be fine

[eager sigil]

if you do press dbts

[dim basalt]

You can rip aggro off them even 10s into the fight lol

[tacit crystal]

^

i mean you can but like its so much less common than in beginning

[naive sage]

I see you play enha and you know the answer well lmao
About arms... I'm still too low with ilvl and don't do that much of a burst to rip aggro

[untold trench]

On behalf of all tanks:

You either a) didn't wait till things are gathered, b) didn't wait till the 2 gcds to establish threat, c) both a or b in any order

The amount of times you got this one DPS derp dying over and over, saying "tank? Agro?" while you still gathering... Is far too high

[brittle fiber]

more like just dont tclap before tanks cast 2 gcds

tclap seems to love hitting the ads that have the lowest threat on tank

[nova marsh]

Na gonna disagree dude

I can literally be 30 seconds into a pull and if I hit Dubble wolf pstorm I'm ripping threat

Enhances rota literally waits till the end of DW to rip pstorm optimally anyways, which mind you should be about 15 seconds into a pull. Still i have ripped threat even off of equal geared tanks

And by that point the pull is gathered. The tank should have threat.

[flat willow]

now 30 seconds is a little long

but I did rip aggro 10 seconds into pulls a lot this season

even more on unholy when the blood beast insta procced

[nova marsh]

I also guarantee it was with veng dh

[flat willow]

and did 20M on every mob after exploding

mostly veng dh, because that's what everyone plays, but it also happened with a paladin once

[nova marsh]

Ngl that's a skill issue on their part

Or their undergeared

[brittle fiber]

My man

[charred shoal]

think a lot of ppl play warrior and sham i do too lol

[naive sage]

I always had a soft spot for enha and mm, they always have been my alts

[charred shoal]

i never really played hunter

sham and warrior mostly

[quaint otter]

mm is great gameplay wise

chill and streamlined

[untold trench]

I see what you did there

[void bay]

Worst thing about mm is they can't do 2 target cleave unless you spec into it and massively gimp your other dps. You always need at least 3 targets to aoe

[lunar remnant]

Does it matter if I use SS or TC first when opening up on a pack?

Like does SS spread more rends through TC?

[brittle fiber]

How many targets are you talking

Unless youre 2 targeting and not specced into tclap, you should just use tclap to apply rend anyways

[hexed snow]

Charge TC (rend) Roar Avatar Sweeping Colossus

Just follow wowhead opener

And if it's Colossus then it's same but with a Cleave first

Charge Cleave TC Roar Avatar Warbreaker

[rustic reef]

does stat prio change for arms on aoe

?

[tacit crystal]

no but crit is really valued on colo but you should sim yourself

[last inlet]

do we ever lose our winning streak from out tier?

slamming this target dummy and its never reseted for like 4 minutes

[tacit crystal]

yes

if you press op

[last inlet]

i press it all the time

[void bay]

Not if you are a winner

[last inlet]

bruh my luck is immense then

xD

all dat overpower DMG

nah but fr, i just killed a couple of mobs outside dorn, and it reset, maybe its the dummy

was scared

[halcyon valve]

Ive had my moments in keys sometimes too when i kept 10 stacks of the set through like 8 casts of overpower

It happens

[vague ore]

you always want to delay using warbreaker and demolish until you get 10 might stacks right?

[hoary olive]

Apparently did a 40 mins of target dummy zoning out to music. Thought I would share it giving its a rarity of mine to be hitting that long xdd

[raven lintel]

for m+ sims is dungeon slice good or need a specific route

[tacit crystal]

no you can get 10 stacks of cm during cs window

[vague ore]

so it's fine to use avatar and warbreaker as long as you can get the stacks with about 2 seconds left on warbreaker?

[tacit crystal]

yes

[vague ore]

okay thanks

[tacit crystal]

whihc is easy to do

you have to be unlucky to at least not get 8

[vague ore]

nah it's plenty of time, you usually get a few resets so it's fine

[weary root]

Wait what? The dominant arms build for m+ doesn't have bladestorm?? Fun detected?

[brittle fiber]

Youre late to the party

[potent dew]

guys, how long seconds I need waiting Warbreak CD with Collateral Damage buff Up?

[rough sluice]

Not fun detected, bladestorm just sucks

[balmy kindle]

fury bladestorm good, arms bladestorm

[weary root]

😢

[rare kite]

wasnt the play last season either. bladestorm for arms sucks so much

[balmy kindle]

it tickles and we are stuck in the animation for really long

[slate grail]

rng blood beast 0 skill most dmg in the game. micro second cleave math genius and still lose

[quaint otter]

micro second cleave math
send on cd

[flat holly]

For arms warriors, slayer hero talent “brutal finish”, is it additive or multiplicative?
In other words, after bladestorm, is it worth stacking overpower (and execution if possible) before throw out the Mortal strike buffed by Brutal Finish?
Thanks in advance.

[minor gust]

Brutal Finish isnt worth playing around. Continue rotation priority like normal

[flat holly]

Understood. Thank you!

[tacit crystal]

nah i saw wes doing it so im copying him

[minor gust]

calm down Gala

[tacit crystal]

stop

[strange perch]

with colossus in single target, if i have 27 or so rage in execute phase, and the only thing left to press is execute, do i send the execute or wait one auto to mortal strike?

i should mention no EP also

[quaint otter]

slam it

u can slam

[strange perch]

why slam over execute? to have enough rage for MS after next auto?

[minor gust]

the real answer is to back up and charge weave

[quaint otter]

thats too much intellectual power

[quaint otter]

check how much execute does

especially at 27 rage

[hoary olive]

Manage to zone through another 49 mins target dummy session. This time with my highest simc loadout.
I manage to average 2.45M loadout1 while the other did 2.46M loadout2.
How ever this loadout1 simc 2.581M on Patchwerk while the other only loadout2 2.542M.
Is it just my skill capabilities not being able to utilize that differences?

[minor gust]

its really easy tho as long as the boss doesnt have a cancer hit box

[somber lance]

what is the lock n stock on use? 30s cd?

am i supposed to use that?

[minor gust]

It switches between a ST and an AOE version

[somber lance]

oh so i can change when i get to bosses?

in m+

[minor gust]

Should be able to idk I don't have the trinket nor will I ever use it

[vivid hill]

So as colossus on 3+ targets, I'm only hitting MS or Execute when sweeping strikes is up? Otherwise I'm not? In regards to what I'm seeing on the icy veins prio list

[tacit crystal]

no you would still press ms and op without ss

just lower prio

[vivid hill]

Alright ty. When SS isn't up, is thunderclap above MS/OP? Can't tell from looking at the list

Assuming I'm not needing to refresh deep wounds

[tacit crystal]

i think only above if you need to refresh rend

[spark mango]

guys for slayer in m+

do we spam cleave and mortal strike in aoe for reap?

or prio overpower cleave and fill with Ms?

[balmy kindle]

yes

the aoe is not amazing though

[spark mango]

yeah i do a lot of M+ daily and i wanted some variety

[outer turret]

So with the class it’s just use mortal strike as much as possible?

[nova marsh]

So guys

What do yall need to track?

[somber lance]

iss it worthwhile for me to use torq as an on-use trinket in m+, even if it sims lower on a 5m patch fight?

running double passive ISP and mechano core atm

[lapis gale]

Tried to search, but haven't found any info. Why use Thunderous Roar before Avatar + Colossus Smash? Avatar and CS gives some dmg buff, so it makes sense to use them first then TR. But every guide says otherwise.

[minor gust]

Because the initial DMG is weak

You don't care about buffing it

[lapis gale]

I see

[minor gust]

You wanna maximize your globals in your buff window

[lapis gale]

Got it, thanks!

[smoky kayak]

practically everything in wow is multiplicative, though that doesn't necessarily mean you need to go out of your way to build it up before using it

[marsh sail]

novice arms player here checked some wowhead etc but one question

when do you do the execute rotation at howmany targets

and do u stop using cleave?

[minor gust]

Assuming you are playing Colossus M+ execute is just a slam replacement.

[marsh sail]

alright

[outer turret]

Overpower over execute if both are up?

[minor gust]

Gonna need a bit more context than that

[flat holly]

Thank you very much for the explanation!

[dense dirge]

Is Arms the Go to m+ Special atm?

Spec *

[smoky kayak]

I would say mostly, yes, though when you get to the very top end there are actually more Fury (though we're still talking single digits)

[tacit crystal]

i think its correlated to warpaint and less about damage

and preference of spec

[minor gust]

Mostly spec preference

[tacit crystal]

we changed comps

[minor gust]

We did too I'm a filthy ret pally now because we need a brez so tank can play DH

[tacit crystal]

rip

we changed to brew enh feral disc x (war uh)

[smoky kayak]

more about preference, but yes that was entirely my point

[minor gust]

Im fine with it. There's a lot of things that's been pissing me off about arms lately even in keys. I need a break from it

[rare kite]

you don't like demolish getting cancelled? 🙂

[minor gust]

That's one of them.

[grim anchor]

are there specific talent builds for certain dungeons?

[tacit crystal]

swap to long sweep in top

thats it

[grim anchor]

https://tenor.com/view/drake-drake-meme-rapper-embarrassing-drake-embarrassing-gif-14154814324941847170

[grim anchor]

whats long sweep

[tacit crystal]

choice node with collat

[grim anchor]

k ty

[grim anchor]

im running Spiky AoE Mythic+ from wowhead is it good

[tacit crystal]

dunno what that means bud

theres only 2 real pages now

[grim anchor]

the talent tree for cleave

[tacit crystal]

(1bb deep wounds rage or 2 bb)/ ep

[tacit crystal]

ep

[nova marsh]

I'm back to arms boys

For an alt....execute does literally nothing as colo LMAO

[rare kite]

idk about that one chief. collat is too good

[nova marsh]

what do yall usually run? just wowhead? EP seems kinda sus

[rare kite]

i run the build posted above except remove ep and fb for 2x bb

oh and also blademaster torment instead of warlords

[tacit crystal]

same

i just swap collat for ls

but ig pref

for top onlyp

[vast drum]

Bloodoath signet sims 2.1% higher than jastor diamond (both 665 hero) trust or am I getting baited by robot

[teal fossil]

Link sim

2.1% is awfully high

[vast drum]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/2v1mHjwissreYVUX37nZs4

my stats are fucked up

[teal fossil]

That’s like 2 upgrades of weapons

[vast drum]

just swapped from fury to arms so overloaded on haste

[shadow ibex]

get the fuck outta here

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148898720803586048/1335030702600618064/ret1.gif

[marsh sail]

on a boss in keys its better to press slam than cleave?

[fast wharf]

Afaik slam should do more st dmg unless during ravager or with collateral after cleaning an affix or random add

[marsh sail]

even with 4 set?

[rare kite]

yes

slam on st

[rose matrix]

I feel like this season is particular makes Demolish feel bad

Feels like every other pull I am watching for swirlies that will kill me if I cast

[keen plaza]

My basic understanding of the multitarget first pull is go in, cleave for deep wounds, t-clap for rend. t-roar, avatar warbreaker ravager into cleave spam. Do we sneak the demolish in immediately without stacks? or wait for cleave to stack it up some and press it when cleave and mortal strike are both on cd to fill that deadspace?

[nova marsh]

So

for ur first craft u go duskthread or asct?

alts are very fun

[icy mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/predator-arnold-schwarzenegger-hand-shake-arms-gif-3468629

Down with Ret.

[nova marsh]

I'm not having ret as an alt like I usually do

Instead it's ARMS

[ruby agate]

Hey guys, in two target with no SS, do we follow multi target prio , where cleave > ms execute op?

[void bay]

Hey Banksy I like your pictures

[marsh sail]

does demolish hit another target with sweeping?

the main dmg

[rare kite]

the final hit does not

[naive sage]

Is it dumb to craft gloves? I still have the ones from s1

[outer turret]

Any big difference from a 12 to a 10?

[naive sage]

Of course embellished

[boreal quartz]

10 has the bs affix

12 is just same all time

[marsh sail]

is it always better to hit TC over Mortal strike on 3+ targets?

in ak ey

as colossus

without sweeping strikes

[rare kite]

no. ms still important to hit in aoe, reduces demolish cd

[marsh sail]

cause on wowhead on aoe prio it has thunderclap above MS

without sweeping

[rare kite]

i don't do that if they already have rend on them

[dim basalt]

Cleave > MS > OP > Slam

[fluid dawn]

Guys can anyone tell me which boss fight on raidbots I have to use for mythic +

[quaint otter]

8(10)t 40 sec if u want to see burst

[fluid dawn]

Ty mate

[quaint otter]

1t 3min for boss

[fluid dawn]

Gonna check now

What does the 8t stand for targets?

8 targets?

[tacit crystal]

yeah

[fluid dawn]

Ty

[naive sage]

The 8 trials you must pass to become a proper master dumb warrior

[grim anchor]

is there a way to cast ravager without placing it ?

[halcyon breach]

#showtooltip
/use [@cursor] Ravager

[grim anchor]

ty

[dreamy ivy]

Just put yourself as the target in the macro.

[halcyon breach]

Shrug, you can

I just personally recommend cursor for more control of it

[eager sigil]

love controlling it into space...

[quasi torrent]

/@balls

[halcyon breach]

/@ballssignal

[covert drift]

Quick question, with T2 with 10 stacks (overpower 50% buff) and also colossal might with 10 stacks (another 50% ) on ST , does overpower takes over MS?

Do i cast MS only with 2 stacks of the OP buff?

On these conditions

[magic canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/kibby-reaction-live-reaction-live-tucker-reaction-live-gif-26973764

[icy mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/foxu-earsies-fox-strokes-gif-8960324

I'm doing something I haven't done since I was like 12 yrs old.

[magic canopy]

hmm?

[icy mulch]

Watching Wrestlemania, lol.

My grandfather use to love this stuff, I saw it on Netflix so I figured I'd check it out again.

[magic canopy]

i was really into the games as a kid. ray mysterio was a favorite

i dont think i actually ever watched a single actual show

[void bay]

The best thing about wrestling is the skill 2 men of that size have to throw each other around like that and not break each other's necks

[icy mulch]

All the old wrestlers I watched are most likely dead. Jake the Snake, Junkyard Dog, British Bulldog, Macho Man, Road Warriors!

[magic canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/goldust-gif-8688394

[void bay]

Undertaker

[icy mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/wwe-the-road-warriors-legion-of-doom-wrestling-road-warriors-gif-18559886

[nova marsh]

Hey yall, what do u run in circe's?

[icy mulch]

Oh yeah, Undertaker was cool!

[magic canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/rey-mysterio-619-chris-jericho-wwe-the-bash-gif-24849136

[icy mulch]

6-1-9!

[magic canopy]

this is what mages deserve

[icy mulch]

LOL

Nacho time!

[magic canopy]

mann look at those pants

leather at least +25 agi

[icy mulch]

Nachos!

[magic canopy]

yooooo

he better get some

he can have a little as a treat

[icy mulch]

I always share. lol

[magic canopy]

do you actually have a fox

becuase thats rad as shit if so

[void bay]

Yeah he just chased one down and kidnapped it

[magic canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/mae-mae-borowski-angus-cat-gregg-gif-11146947619599414935

[icy mulch]

I donate to a fur farm rescue, and do a lot of promotion for em. I also sponsor a fox. Sadly where I live it's illegal to own a fox as a pet. Now when I retire, I will be building a sanctuary and run my own fur farm rescue for foxes.

[magic canopy]

yeeeeeee

is there a food thats bad for foxs

like chocolate for dogs

[icy mulch]

Chocolate is just as toxic for foxes as it is for dogs.

[void bay]

Make sure you aren't like this guy

[icy mulch]

Whoa, that's fucked up.

[magic canopy]

weird

We love the animals. During work getting to pet dogs and cats is the best

[icy mulch]

Foxes are omnivores, and have become accustom to scavenging anywhere for food.

[magic canopy]

one of my favorites is a great dane, he likes to bark a lot, but hes just a big goofball.

[fresh spire]

https://tenor.com/view/le-goob-fennec-fox-drink-water-animal-gif-25017098

stay hydrated

[icy mulch]

lol

[magic canopy]

that angle with the eyes is crazy i couldnt tell what animal that was for a sec

[fresh spire]

bulbous

https://tenor.com/view/boggling-rat-gif-5994430820472951767

[magic canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/fish-fosh-drinks-bonk-tf2-gif-22168967

[fresh spire]

when bis drops

[magic canopy]

@calm vessel

wtf

different fishy

[fresh spire]

its monster energy fish

[magic canopy]

my bad other fish

[icy mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/fennec-fox-fennec-fox-jumpscare-gif-24369432

[fresh spire]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/182946853371904001/1245882333001814056/CCA7FC11-765C-43ED-8D50-A7A634719C92.gif

fucking love this gifd

[icy mulch]

TLC match

[fresh spire]

OFF THE TOP

[magic canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/frog-desert-rain-frog-angry-amphibian-gif-14101698

the sound of a very angry frog

[fresh spire]

meow

[vast kernel]

Yo, fellow warriors in arms, hello! Here's a new Arms Warrior. I did a lot of keys as Arms, but I feel like my damage is very, very low. Can someone please check what I'm doing wrong and guide me on where I need to improve? Thanks so much!
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/mhNTyQvXtgwqFarp

[rare kite]

Most big dogs are the nicest. My uncle had a leonberger, he was a good boi

[icy mulch]

I love massive dogs that think they're lap dogs. lol.

[magic canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-cuddle-me-cuddles-couch-gif-11961165

[granite raptor]

is there a way to farm the funhouse lens?

[icy mulch]

Run delves

[magic canopy]

man i like huskys alot

[magic canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/huj-gif-21903358

[fresh spire]

https://tenor.com/view/hedgehog-buttney-sleep-sleeping-tuck-in-gif-18155236538210793900

[naive sage]

.

[icy mulch]

We've been dooming since S2 started. lol

[nova marsh]

Quick question rq

What do yall run in theater

[icy mulch]

As in Arms?

[brittle fiber]

Usually plate armour and a 2h weapon

[nova marsh]

yes

For arms what talents do yall run

Just say fuck it and normal stuff?

[brittle fiber]

Base demo

Base colossus*

[nova marsh]

...fair enough

[brittle fiber]

You could probably go slayer for top tbh but i haven tried it

[rare kite]

i tried slayer in top on ptr before live. it sucked

[brittle fiber]

I thought itd be good because of how tanky the bosses are

3 minute gorechop fight 😴

[rare kite]

ehh, colossus isn't that far behind on st. you just sacrifice so much aoe by going slayer

[icy mulch]

Maybe, they both have the same sort of collateral build up.

[rare kite]

actual dead hero tree in m+

[icy mulch]

Slayer's Execute might be a little better, but not by much.

[brittle fiber]

I still dont get how gorechops health has avoided so many nerfs

[rare kite]

@nova marsh run this in every dungeon. tho warlords is prob better in theater since there's alot of st

[brittle fiber]

It’s such a bad fight

[nova marsh]

Pretty much what I grabbed off wowhead

[rare kite]

tho for the last few weeks i just do 8 rookeries then log out til raid

[icy mulch]

lol

[rare kite]

in rookery warlords is really nice just for last boss

wait actually i did 2 darkflame cleft this week since there were no rookery groups at the time

[brittle fiber]

I don’t even do 8 keys anymore

I probably should

[rare kite]

i will stop doing it soon prob. have a few hero pieces left(chest,waist and feet)

technically ring as well but that would only be temporary til jastor diamond

[minor gust]

im a big warlords enjoyer fuck blademaster. I only run that in the big mass aoe dungeons like brew priory flood, and ML

[brittle fiber]

I need jastor ring and eye of kezan over m+ pieces ar this point

[grim anchor]

in priority of sacred flame, what do you do when they do the spell purification or smth but it does hella damage

[minor gust]

meld, or press a defensive

[rare kite]

yeah i can see why. i definetely think warlords is better in rookery atleast. if i did theaters i would prob play it there as well. more unsure about mechagon

and since i'm not pushing darkflame has some big boi pulls

[minor gust]

not much mass aoe in Mechagon besides the early pulls

bosses are the big time sink in that place

especially kujo now and last boss

[brittle fiber]

Just spell reflect and impending victory

[grim anchor]

ok ty

[rare kite]

yea maybe not, been a while since i did mechagon. we did a few big pulls tho but overall i stay out of that dungeon

i do not like it

[brittle fiber]

It’s a stinky dungeon

[minor gust]

our grp doesnt pull the whole first room we split into 2 so

[brittle fiber]

Not keen for s3 rotation if they thought theatre and mechagon deserved a return tbh

[minor gust]

even more less blademaster value

[grim anchor]

is that the cleave m+ build?

[brittle fiber]

Utgarde keep m+ when

[rare kite]

yeah, just standard build that most people play. warlords vs blademasters torment is debateable and/or comp dependant

[grim anchor]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148898720803586048/1363227997246722319/image.png?ex=68054482&is=6803f302&hm=db03c8b4be149d71ee14bd8fd7a02ad222826aae539b2ce097ec8888760a649d&

this is mine

[rare kite]

yea that's a bit more st vs losing a bit of aoe

[grim anchor]

whats st

oh

single target

[rare kite]

yea

[grim anchor]

my single target is rly bad idk why

[brittle fiber]

Are you pressing mortal strike on cool down

[grim anchor]

my talents are favoring single target?

[rare kite]

yes

[grim anchor]

I usually like to press overpower twice before using mortal strike

[rare kite]

yea dont do that

[brittle fiber]

There’s your problem

[grim anchor]

whenever mortal strike is up, I press it?

[brittle fiber]

Yes

[grim anchor]

and what about slam?

[rare kite]

on st yes

[brittle fiber]

Especially if youre running exhilarating blows

[rare kite]

you slam if you have nothing else to press. ms>overpower>slam

and in execute slam does not exist

[grim anchor]

i'll try to record a log, when I do a key tmr

[grim anchor]

https://tenor.com/view/write-gif-8552928985657218007

tyguys

[brittle fiber]

i miss arms, shame my stats were so stinky that i'd be better off just going fury

arms peak raid spec s3 watch this space

[rare kite]

idk i'm fully geared for fury as well and arms still does damage

arms doesn't mind fury stats but fury hates arms stats

[brittle fiber]

yea i took the crit threads off my crafts in favour of binding + ascension then figured i'll just redo all my gems in fury's preference

the damage is like 500k difference, so i can run arms in oab and cauldron at least

i think circlet's the main culprit, once i get a mythic crit/haste ring to replace it, my stats should be ok

[rare kite]

i decided to try arms on hc vexie just to see, maybe i'll do the same on mythic vexie this week just to see(if i'm not benched)

[brittle fiber]

i cant get the timings right for vexie, i just ask to be benched for it now

[rare kite]

ehh i just press cds on pull and then hold til intermission. except cs, i just sent on cd pretty much

[brittle fiber]

when i last checked, there was a disparity between holding the last bike til she's nearly capped energy vs just sending bikes asap

for mythic ^

that's my heroic vexie parse

[rare kite]

oh i think we just send? idk i just press buttons and don't really pay attention

[brittle fiber]

i think holding the bike favours 2 min cd classes

[rare kite]

hold on lemme check, can just check my last mythic vexie kill

nahh we hold as well then, so i held avatar for 30 sec. it is what it is

[sturdy matrix]

why is my avatar desyncing with my house of cards?

[nova marsh]

In keys?

[glad kraken]

affix speeds up ability cooldowns but not trinket cooldowns

[sturdy matrix]

yea

ahh thx

[vagrant hull]

How are you all tracking colossal might and other buffs for the M+ builds?

[quartz fox]

Making a weak aura that shows me the icon and stacks

[vagrant hull]

What all do you keep track of? CM, anyting else?

[quartz fox]

dmg wise i track OP stacks to for higher cleave or mortal dmg

[gentle frigate]

For arms slayer

Do I ever whirlwind to cleave targets? Or do i just SS?

[untold matrix]

im not that good but i never hit it after they took off whirlwind stacking test of might

[nova marsh]

Unironically dosen't feel bad for being 630

+6 priory

Colo feels pretty good tbh

[ancient scroll]

[nova marsh]

CLEAVE LITERALLY HITTING HARDER THEM DEMOLISH???

HELLO?

[main wing]

does overwhelming rage provide a dps increase or is it a just in a case thing?

[nova marsh]

Not overcapping as much is always a dps increase

[civic parrot]

hello! a noob question, but, what addon is this? i wanna see the skills/damage i inflict! ❤️

[ancient scroll]

it's a weakaura, here's the import string https://justpaste.it/gt98r

[civic parrot]

thank you!

do y'all use different talent builds depending on the M+ dungeon?

[nova marsh]

I mean tbh the only time any spec wants to really swap for a key is top

And arms dosen't to my knowledge

[rare kite]

Nahh, tho should swap warlords or blademasters torment depending on dungeon

[civic parrot]

ooooh

when doing TOP best to do blademaster torment?

[bright scarab]

When looking through Arms logs, what should we be looking for to improve DPS or learn from other higher parses?

Very broad question I know

[brittle fiber]

do wow analyzer then compare

[eager sigil]

cd timings

other stuff you get from the guide

[balmy kindle]

first time arms is a ok spec i hit 3000 io

[white storm]

are the first two hits of demo affected by ss?

[balmy kindle]

yes

[slow saddle]

Whats the name of the target count addon?

[naive sage]

It's a weakaura I think

[slow saddle]

Ok i just saw @sage badge using it

[naive sage]

sus

[bright ginkgo]

Hey are there any other dungeons where warlords torment is preferred over blademasters torment, I'm currently running it in WS and ToP only

[naive sage]

he was in fact an idiot

[slow saddle]

top has value from warlord?

2 bosses with cleave

[bright ginkgo]

Thats very true, ill go with warlords on top next time x)

[slow saddle]

i meant bladesmaster

jesus

[bright ginkgo]

heh

same

[slow saddle]

it rocks in Top i mean

u skip the 2 big or at least 1 big of the adds

rest to take with packs

having more sweep feels great in 2 target situations as well

[latent moss]

long sweep + blademasters goes hard in top

[slow saddle]

not long sweep

u always want col

but yeah the fact that u have 22 seconds of col stacks into a cleave feels god tier at some points 😛

[latent moss]

nah u def long sweep in that dung

the st value from cleaving something at all times is crazy

[rose matrix]

They should just make Demolish castable while moving

[quasi torrent]

it technically is

It's not a root, just - 200% movespeed

👍

[rose matrix]

Dang so it would be even easier for them to change it?

[fair tinsel]

That or make demolish tether the tank so their potato brain doesn't spur them to move from it

or the mobs, optionally

but i'd rather it tether the tank in punishment for all the demolishes i've lost since going this spec

[nimble yoke]

tbf having demolish ground the mobs is a very cool idea

[fair tinsel]

from what i'm seeing more ppl pvp as fury anyway, so it wouldn't effect ladder balance much either

most just go slayer as arms anyway

[nimble yoke]

and they can just do what they should do anytime someone says 'but muh pvp!!!' aka make it not apply in pvp lol

or stop caring about pvp like everyone else does but they wont do that

[fathom hollow]

How much overall should be have in PSF

[rugged lily]

the weakaura tracks only arms spells but not fury is it normal ?

[queen garden]

Do you guys open up with normal SS or wait for after the short one from Blademaster expire to allign small collateral in the colossus window?

[flat willow]

that way the tetered mob switch to you after the tank ran out

and in his anger from being tetered brings you back to the graveyard

[hoary olive]

Input lag when slayer strike procs? Anyone else or am I tripping

[grand idol]

More like input lag as to when execute eats them

I feel like im in the next global before they go away.

[granite raptor]

yo guys i just got the lens trinket

when is optimal to use? or should i just macro it with avatar

[balmy kindle]

Macro with avatar

[sage bison]

any gamers got tips for parsing on cauldron ? in myth is my worst fight by far

[hearty seal]

Avatar 10 sec before pull, then every clash with improved sweep

[sage bison]

ty king

10s before pull sounds cursed tho

[hearty seal]

Yeah you loose 10 sec but this way you can use in on clash

[misty sandal]

It lasts 20 seconds so I guess it's good enough to try out

[sage bison]

Right yeah, it makes sense

save pot for clash or try and get a double?

[misty sandal]

I guess the only thing varying there is colossus smash cd reduction timing.

[stark cape]

So depressing.

Having a hard time getting invited to keys despite being full BiS gear, and timing 12's.

[misty sandal]

Using your own keys is the only way

[stark cape]

Yeah I know, but you should be able to get invited to 10's for vault for peets sake.

[misty sandal]

I am from from the best (my m+ performance proves it), but I can at least hold my own in 12s.

[misty sandal]

I've never had that problem 🤔

If it's 10s then it might just be picky people. Although, the same can be said about all keys levels over 12. Arms and fury is perfectly fine for up to 18 (and likely higher as well), but meta is going to meta and people are going to follow that over the player.

[nova marsh]

Guys I have a really dumb question

So in rookery when I was going down to the hole after first boss, I somehow pulled wha I wonna say is the pack in the corner, the one you usually skip....before I even had LoS on them

before I was even down the shaft I had aggro?

[misty sandal]

Did you notice lighting arcing off of you?

[nova marsh]

....it was the stupid gryhpon wasn't it?

[misty sandal]

That buff from the zone can pull mobs out of combat at a certain range.

[nova marsh]

le sigh

I'd say I'm surprised but honestly not really. It makes sense now at least

[misty sandal]

You definitely have to be careful. It happened earlier in the season to me and I didn't realize what it was coming from at the time 😅

[nova marsh]

Yeah neither did I

I was like "how are these things being pulled before they even have LoS

[harsh sedge]

is it always worth using overpower before cleave and mortal strike to get the damage buff in m+ or should i only use it really when i dont have mortal strike and cleave up?

[eager sigil]

only when its not up

[rustic reef]

where do you bind best-in-slots ?

there is no way im doing another macro for bis

[vast drum]

When I eventually get it I'll put mine on 3 and move my hearthstone (currently 3) on T

[agile steppe]

does anyone else think the 3000 io is very hard to get

[misty sandal]

With colossus smash. I'm pretty sure it's also int he guides.

If you already have an on use, then bind it to colossus smash for mini cd round.

[jagged goblet]

what do you mean?

[agile steppe]

like in a 13 if u are pugging 1 or 2 deaths means key is 90% bricked

[jagged goblet]

i think unfortunately that is what the attitude to keys comes to later in season

you coudl time a 13 with 10 deaths

dps right now should be more than enough

pugging is tough, stay positive, youll get there

dw about others, just do your best

[rustic reef]

I got 3k today, the biggest issue i had was getting invited to keys

[jagged goblet]

oh yea also push your key cause warriors dont get invites lol

[marsh sail]

if you dont play EP MS > Execute in Execute range right

always

no 2x execute MS , just MS on cd?

[teal fossil]

Yeah

Especially since that means you are playing colossus

[marsh sail]

ye 2nd day of playing arms

learning ;P

[shadow ibex]

Yea it's absolute last prio

Dw if you cap

[slow saddle]

Yes

Unless u run ya own key

Succesfully

[queen star]

thats worse than i thought, its rough out here

[marsh sail]

do u hit cleave as soon as theres 2 targets?

with colo build

say for exmaple ur on a boss

and affix spawns

u start hitting cleave instead of slam?

[tiny sable]

u press sweeping strikes MS/OP

if your on st boss and affix spawns

[neat locust]

is there a differnce in ST to apply rend manually or through thunderclap? and use cleave istead of slam in ST?

[slow saddle]

Slam in st

Tc u can use

Rend is very so slightly better but i would neva waste a bind on it

[neat locust]

I see, thank you

[winged quiver]

Does anyone know if damage increase to Cleave from Overpower is multiplicitive with Collateral Damage bonus to Cleave?

is it worth going for 2 stacks of the overpower buff every time you press cleave w/ collateral damage buff?

[royal escarp]

in M+ we play crit mastery then haste ??

[zinc yacht]

I'm also confused about this. Everywhere I read crit/haste is prio and mastery is rather meh. But when simming I always get suggested more mastery gear (currently at 30% crit and haste, 20% mastery)
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/i1zxKcdGdLPDsfqMUrkJyB

[somber lance]

just follow the sim?

[zinc yacht]

Instead of blindly following I'd like to understand why. Is haste above a certain threshold (like 25% maybe) just bad?

[swift crown]

Crit good Haste good Mastery good

Vers also not bad

It's just

okay if you have basic mathematical understanding you can think of secondaries as like

w,x,y,z

And they all get multiplied, but some of them have some constant scaling factor that is slightly lower per stat

but in the end

if 2 of them are pretty high already

you will gain more from getting some of the third and fourth

Because they multiply with what you have already in the first two

An "optimal" stat distribution at any given gear level will almost always not be exclusively 2 stats, and more often balance at least 3 of them

The more stat budget you introduce the more you raise the floor

[covert drift]

Danm, now that i got on the +10 range, i can't get into groups as arms war...

[upper sundial]

the warrior curse

[covert drift]

That's depressing...

[upper sundial]

it is yes

only way to do lots of keys as warrior is premade , if not you stuck in LFG for hours xD

[covert drift]

I have all keys 9 and 10 timed

2 chested

I usually end on first place on damage overall

=[

[shadow ibex]

just play oblivion remake

[covert drift]

Better player > better spec

[shadow ibex]

[naive breach]

[covert drift]

Time to reroll retri

[shadow ibex]

surely release tomorrow

man if they remade shivering isles i would fuckin shit bricks

[royal escarp]

simc fucked my dps on M+ i see a lot with 20% haste and the rest on crit and mastery

i do that and i DPS more then before

[naive breach]

theres so many old games i just want a remake of

but we get shit like concord

[knotty creek]

In mythic plus and we play dreadnaught do the prio change from cleave > MS > OP to Cleave > OP > MS or just keep doing MS over OP

[fresh spire]

ms>op

[somber lance]

why is DN so shit

[mild hound]

all 13s timed, no 14 invites T_T #warrlife

[naive breach]

same life with all 14 timed. unlucky

reroll UHDK

[mild hound]

right? 😦

[zinc yacht]

How important is shaman buff for dps? Is it worth to build a group that includes shamans?

[mild hound]

def a gr8 buff pending make up

sham healer is pretty nice if they can makle the hps check w priest gettin nerfed

[naive breach]

i like my good ol feraltonk shamon heal and ww warr setup

[gusty birch]

So i have this little problem. Im watching best arms warriors playing and their demolish well... demolishes. Whereas i feel like when i hit it (colossal might stacked and all that) it doesn't do crap often

Feels like i'm not hitting every target in range

[shadow ibex]

kotor 2 when

[naive breach]

maaaaaaaaaaaaaan KOTOR

i beg

that mmo had darth malgus annoucement

[mild hound]

frontal move like clave - gotta p[osition right

[naive breach]

i almost cried

[void bay]

ive scrolled through at least 1200 installed games cos im bored as fuck and I just kept sighing and cant be arsed

[naive breach]

did you play baldurs gate 3

[void bay]

yup, twice

[naive breach]

( some people still havent or dont like crpgs)

[void bay]

i had sex with squid man too

[naive breach]

dos 2?

monka

[void bay]

yep ages ago

[naive breach]

surprisingly fun was

let me check

[void bay]

you will struggle to find a game I dont own or havent played unless its some zoomer shooter

[naive breach]

days gone

[void bay]

yup

[naive breach]

[void bay]

i have 2100+ games on steam alone

1200+ installed locally

[naive breach]

then give me some good fucking recommendation

your brother is dying

[void bay]

miles morales?

spider man 2

the way

secrets of grindea

eastward

hobbes barrow

return to monkey island

[naive breach]

oh shit

wait

monkey island giga classic

[void bay]

its the new one

well its not new anymore

[naive breach]

ive heard of some game

lobotomy corporation

any good ?

[void bay]

actually dont own that, didnt look appealing to me, but got great reviews

[naive breach]

im so bored out of my mind

[void bay]

animalwell?

[naive breach]

league is calling

[void bay]

yeah im never playing that lol

[naive breach]

monster sanctuary

!

[void bay]

problem is this days as i get older, im always knackered so dont want to think.....but not tired enough to sleep

there was really fun yeah, neat take on pokemon and i love pixel art

plus its a metroidvania if you like those

[naive breach]

did they fix dog already

so you cant hit behind box

[void bay]

idk what you mean? I havent played the game since it came out, never got any patches

oh kujo lmao

dont know when they are patching it

[grim anchor]

what are the 2 stats I should be getting for crafted weapon

[naive sage]

The ones that the sim suggests

[quaint otter]

Crit haste or crit mastery

[naive breach]

at least hide aura didint work when i just entered

maybe fixed already

kujo most hated dog on this planet

[tacit crystal]

velf

[void bay]

its from a 1983 movie based on a steven king book

[naive breach]

walhe always knew the best race

[woven wasp]

<@&257983573498265600>

[cloud seal]

is the only way to get 665 Funhouse lens trinket from vault or am i just dumb?

[swift crown]

Vault or the weekly map

[cloud seal]

ty!

[grim anchor]

If I do +10s with 650 ilvl is that too low ?

[marsh sail]

no

[tall flare]

can u die by the sword

the rockets on sprocket

[misty bridge]

Yes, but you would only benefit from the 30% DR

[regal wharf]

i just discovered how the mythic lockout works

oh my god

this system is dogshit

[void bay]

Mythic raid I guess

[regal wharf]

😭 i cant

im stuck on 2/8M because i pugged

[void bay]

Lmao

That's how all raids used to work back in the day

[glossy pagoda]

is playing arms over fury on stix just inting?

[potent creek]

at least today it asks you if you wanna take lockout or not

[hushed pine]

How does it work, genuine question

[potent creek]

if you enter mythic raid group and they killed at least 1 boss game gonna ask you if you agree to take their ID

poof

for the end of the week you can't enter any other mythic raid other than that exact ID

[tacit crystal]

it is just more inconsistent

[hushed pine]

[smoky kayak]

system is necessary, because if it worked like Heroic there would be an endless amount of degeneracy and gaming the system

[potent creek]

my main and only concern about it is high griefing potential

when you have ID and can just lock it by afk in raid

I think in Legion even one of RWF guilds get rekt by that behavior

[brittle fiber]

Did previous expansions of wow have puggable mythic like this expansion does

I cant remember

But i swear even being able to pug first 4 of nerubar was a surprise to me

[tacit crystal]

you could do 3/8 in amir easily

4 too

[void bay]

The idea is to grp with a trusted static grp, ideally a guild.

In vanilla/tbc etc you had 40 man and 25 man where you were locked for a week

This is the most lenient it's ever been, and it will probably get more lenient

[brittle fiber]

it still baffles me that 40 man raiding ever existed

i bet output wise blizzard probably saw only 20-25 people actually doing damage in raid so they just scaled it to that

[regal wharf]

while that is true it also kind of necessitates coordinated groups if you want to go beyond 1 or 2 bosses

Strangling the pug scene

[brittle fiber]

it's not that hard to organise

long as you have friends/guildies who are the essential roles, you can hand pick a decent group of dps pugs

[smoky kayak]

this is true, but it's arguably also an intentional aspect - Mythic raiding is supposed to be coordinated

[regal wharf]

Uhh

Thats true

I more so mean in a meta sense of having a guild to do it with

Not just in fights

I also play 14 which probably colors my perception of this system

[brittle fiber]

in my opinion the pug scene shouldn't extend past aotc

if you can find a group of 20 coordinated pugs, fantastic, but realistically i dont think you can expect people to spend hours progging the first few bosses

[void bay]

Different game, some classes like pala druid shaman (less so) were buff botd

[autumn quiver]

Do you guys know how far behind slayer is in M+? I don't like the feeling of colossus

[void bay]

Bots

And it was 40 because everquest was 40

[marsh sail]

2 target in colo m plus bui;d, do u cleave or slam durin sweepin if nothin else is up?

[brittle fiber]

cleave

[potent creek]

you cleave because FoB

[marsh sail]

Fob?

im new to the spec

[brittle fiber]

fervor of battle, you slam in your cleaves