and fwiw, the difference is very minor - could even argue a small benefit to the latter, since it has a reduced range
#arms
boreal remnant
I often have people approach me and ask if warrior discord has some secret APLs that aren't public for whatever reason
smoky kayak
some communities have tried to do that in the past, but I am not a fan of hiding shit
boreal remnant
like we're hoarding the secrets to parsing
smoky kayak
I mean we will sometimes deliberate over what should be included in the APL, whether something is too complicated to be worth the potential gain or some kind of middle ground in the case of Bladestorm vs Ravager, etc
and there are some hypothetical increases that never make it in because they're just plain impractical (like charging on cooldown the entire fight)
boreal remnant
nah that sounds fantastic sign me up
maybe then I have the urge to quit this game
graceful light
Is the delve bounty/vault reward the only way to get hero track delve trinkets?
boreal remnant
Is the delve bounty/vault reward the only way to get hero track delve trinkets?
yes
graceful light
Rip alright thanks
smoky kayak
there are sometimes competing viewpoints as to whether sims are meant to measure the absolute highest theoretical potential of a class/spec/whatever
or whether they're supposed to be more practical, a realistic portrayal of how players will approach a situation
and there's no real right or wrong answer, usually it's a mix of both
boreal remnant
I'm not completely sure if a key gives hero track but I don't think so
haven't bothered
dim basalt
We have another arms warrior in raid now who does not care about opp at all during execute and his damage is not significantly lower either
But I havent checked if he eventually runs into rage issues
smoky kayak
that's the other part; we have collectively spent a lot of time over the years creating and maintaining very good tools for simulating, measuring, and quantify WoW combat
which can be a really cool and fun project in of itself... but we've become so good at measuring super small differences that people tend to hyperfocus on them
as long as you're rolling your face aross the keyboard, you're typically gonna put out 90-95%+ and while doing things one way may measure 0.5% better, there's also a 10% damage range to keep in mind (just from the class, before considering encounter mechanics, movement, target positioning, specific kill times, personal mistakes, etc)
pull to pull, you will never notice that slight 0.1-0.5% optimization, because you're dealing with so much other RNG; you're just trusting that it will lead to slightly better results on average
dim basalt
I remember having lots of MS reset procs during sprocket prog
I was casting MS OP MS OP for almost 10s straight
During opener even
Burst went through the roof with some crits
I believe it was the same pull where I went into exe phase with like 2.4M dps
smoky kayak
I mean my Bandit kill today, we had several ~3% wipes in which I was averaging ~2.8 - 3.2m dps
on the kill I was upwards 3.5m (up until I died in the last 20s 
)
dim basalt
The variance can be crazy sometimes yup
smoky kayak
exactly
dim basalt
Feel like I keep getting fucked over on Rik a lot when it comes to that
smoky kayak
and in light of that ~15% pull-to-pull variance, the 0.2% optimization of pressing Thunder Blast ahead of Raging Blow or whatever doesn't really seem like it's going to make a major difference, now is it?
dim basalt
It doesnt
Just like someone with a suboptimal exe rotation can be ahead of me because of better crits /shrug
Well, perhaps because of some more variables as well but ye
smoky kayak
So yeah, I mean it's fun to focus on what's "best" and optimizing the things you can
but you gotta remember the practical element as well
smoky kayak
that's fairly low, I think it took us around 120-130
boreal remnant
I mean my Bandit kill today, we had several ~3% wipes in which I was averaging ~...
I played col arms on our bandit kill because 0 reel assistant damage
ended ~3m dps
Not sure how my damage at the end would look with slayer tbf
dim basalt
Yeah it is low but I believe we can kill sub 100
smoky kayak
I played col arms on our bandit kill because 0 reel assistant damage
yeah I stayed Thane because our comp was complete garbage, we finally got our Devoker back and a Spriest in this week though
I tried Fury Slayer a little bit, but keeping up with marks was kinda annoying, so I just went back Thane for comfort more than anything else
boreal remnant
we played 2 warlocks 1 sp
it was...one of the bosses of all time
our sp apparently ended at like 3.1
🤷♂️
smoky kayak
yeah our final comp was 2 Locks, 2 Ele Sham, 2 Hunter, Boomkin, Devoker, Fire Mage, Spriest, Unholy DK, Demon Hunter, Ass Rogue, Ret Pal, and me as Fury
boreal remnant
this was ours
smoky kayak
which wasn't too bad, definitely a lot better than we started with LOL
we actually had a 2nd Ret instead of the UH DK, but his power went out so we had to swap him out
boreal remnant
Idk this entire tier has just been "how many ranged can you fit into your comp?"
smoky kayak
and my own DPS went up like 100k because of it 
boreal remnant
terrible design when they make bosses that require a certain comp
smoky kayak
spread cleave is always a problem
and blizzard likes to use it SO much more than melee cleave
boreal remnant
when comparing to a different guild who had a better comp they just had 7 whole seconds of bonking the boss compared to us
like yeah cool
Where are you raiding archi?
smoky kayak
post nerf it feels pretty decent though
boreal remnant
Haven't tried it, we perma extended after bandit and I wasn't in on either mugzee or gally
so my tier ended with OAB
feelsgood
dim basalt
On our first day of stix we had like 6 melees or so and managed to dump it down to 2 for kill, the difference is just insane even now
smoky kayak
like our comp isn't exactly stacked and adds were still fairly comfortable
I mean hell a lot of groups that blast too hard end up holding dam before the transition anyway so 
dim basalt
We will prob keep extending once we are on bandit as well
Leaders dont wanna deal with Stix again lmao
I believe a sprocket kill is still sub 700 world which is pretty good
dim basalt
We prob should have done that too ye
smoky kayak
Stix feels pretty comfortable now; obviously you still have to do the ball mechanics, but everything else is a lot more forgiving
and you end up doing less balls overall as well
I think we'll end up extending mugz, but otherwise we've been farming - we did skip Stix in favor of progging Sprocket the week after our first kill though
dim basalt
Cant you skip to mugz after killing bandit?
smoky kayak
not until you've unlocked the skip, which requires killing Mugz
dim basalt
oh
smoky kayak
once you have it unlocked, you can go to either, but the quest still requires Mugz
dark elm
in m+ on bosses are we ever supposed to executed in execute phase?
or just as usual with stacks?
smoky kayak
in m+ on bosses are we ever supposed to executed in execute phase?
if you're playing EP, you'll use it, but you're not hard prioing it because you usually won't take Juggernaut
if you want to play without EP, using any combination of Bloodborne and/or Bloodsurge, then you'll practically ignore it (just a better Slam)
alpine falcon
I found out playing EP in dung like top or workshop for more ST is a bait, you get ragestarved so bad.
smoky kayak
I think it's all preference
I tried playing 2x Bloodborne and weirdly felt even more starved than with EP, because while Execute might starve you, you will very often use OP in AoE while some target is <35%
quaint otter
Better odds for tactician 🤷♀️
alpine falcon
Yeah ofc, but i don’t like it at all..
smoky kayak
some others have taken 1 BBorne/1 BSurge to smooth out the rage without having to mess with EP/Finishing Blows, and that's fine too - the sim difference is very small and the practical difference feels even smaller IMO
so I'd say just take whatever feels comfortable to you; unless you're pushing +17s I don't think it will make the least bit of difference and if you are pushing those keys... you're probably going to do enough that you can figure out which one is better for w/e you're doing on your own
tacit crystal
we getting there almost all 15s
hi i need io
minor gust
go get it then
tacit crystal
i chain depleted my 15 priory to a 13
minor gust
just go grab it
tacit crystal
cope
quaint otter
i chain depleted my 15 priory to a 13
Fuck same here
I even had to roll tank
People dont understand u cant time a 15th with 2 pack pulls there
quaint otter
I failed on big pull after first boss 
minor gust
1st pull is pretty rough for bdk
quaint otter
For brew either if no ps
minor gust
our bdk needs Pain sub to live while pulling
tacit crystal
yeah i did not get anything
i legit
sent everythign to gather
rune tap
drw ibf rune tap
consumption purg
tap
lichborne
then we all died
zzzz
untold trench
Oh, prio 1st pull as BDK?
tacit crystal
yeah
untold trench
Ye, that is a pull smaller or pray for good RNG parry value angle for me
tacit crystal
yeah im thinking
untold trench
Ppl AoE CC the swarm, they all sync up, you can't really kite around to stagger them out to desync them. It is hell
quaint otter
U should
untold trench
If you pull smaller tho, tick tock goes the clock. So where are you going to win back the time?
quaint otter
And stack under stairs
untold trench
Meh, just go pwarrior and the pull is a joke 
brittle fiber
Ty for answering
astral latch
Is there a WA that tracks how much dmg Demolish does? Just a simple pop-up with the damage number. Nothing fancy
boreal quartz
ive been playing sts
Did u beat A20H?
I havent played in 4 months but A20 is fucking me
Haard
boreal quartz
bro im at a7
get grinding
At 17 to a18 is obscene
Btw
Waaaaay harder than anything else
naive sage
Is there a WA that tracks how much dmg Demolish does? Just a simple pop-up with ...
I think @daring heron (sorry for ping) had something similar for fatality but I guess you could set it up easily for Demolish
naive sage
!xeph in his chat
Sorry I don't use twitch at all
boreal quartz
Sorry I don't use twitch at all
All G, it's just a mega common question in #ui-addons-manager
astral latch
I think <@235809563490779136> (sorry for ping) had something similar for fatalit...
Cool i ll check that thanks
daring heron
^
minor gust
gonna need a pin in here for this fuckin WA with how many questions I see people asking for it
naive sage
gonna need a pin in here for this fuckin WA with how many questions I see people...
True ngl
verbal garden
Guys I need your help. I have a problem changing Specs from Fury to Arms using Equipsets.
My crafted Fury-offhand is also my Arms-mainhand.
When switching from Fury to Arms, the weapon stays in the offhand-slot and the mainhand slot is empty.
The error message "No equipment slot is available for that item." is showing too.
Thats really annoying and if I dont realize it, my opener gets ruined until i manually fix the weapon in the character pane.
Any ideas that might help me?
restive canyon
verbal garden
I dont press a hotkey to switch the specialization. The equipset for arms is set to be autoequipped when i swap into it.
halcyon breach
Fairly certain it's just a quirk with the embellishment limit
verbal garden
this is my only embellishment in both equipsets
halcyon breach
I never personally found any solution, but you could prob make a weakaura to load as arms when you have it equipped in offhand (if this'd even work)
halcyon breach
this is my only embellishment in both equipsets
Do you not have a writhing armour banding
verbal garden
no i am crafting it this week
halcyon breach
Then I don't know the cause exactly sorry, but all I can think of that you can really do is try the weakaura method to see if that works, or just personally remind yourself to swap it everytime even if it's annoying
verbal garden
Ok. Thanks for your help anyways. Just wanted to see if it is a kind of known issue.
halcyon breach
I've only had it happen as well with the crafted weapon, and all I could point towards was the embellishment being the issue
But don't know what it otherwise could've been
verbal garden
when i try to drag and drop the weapon from the right to the left i receive the error again
i have to unequip it and then the equip works
Just tested it with a non-crafted weapon in both sets and it is the same problem. No crafted items involved at all now.
stiff barn
Anyone had the 1st boss on priory randomly change target at the end of the hurl spear cast and snipe people? Happened to me twice, looking back at the shadowplay clip can't tell at all why its happening.
dim basalt
Anyone had the 1st boss on priory randomly change target at the end of the hurl ...
Just a very random bug
slow saddle
Some1 shadowmelded?
stiff barn
Checked shadowmelds/vanish/invis - nothing of that sort
gray herald
sometimes if you're standing slightly on the steps
it just 1 shots you even if it's facing the other way
(anecdotal evidence of it happening twice to me)
rugged lily
heya, is it normal that raidbots sims mastery that high for me ?
i mean i wanted to change my fury stuff for bandit prog
and i see that even by optimizing rotation and rage generation, my average hits are way lower that the bst ones
i feel like i lack of rage just bc my crit rate is not high enough
potent creek
heya, is it normal that raidbots sims mastery that high for me ?
It's okay if you dipped into diminishing treshhold, 3 and 4 stat gonna take over at some point
which also mean that statement about crit is false
rugged lily
i got 7k crit man
and 16k mastery
i don't think i went into crit diminishing threshold
gray herald
post sim probs
eager sigil
heya, is it normal that raidbots sims mastery that high for me ?
yes
atleast its the same for me
all my crafted gear has mastery
hearty seal
Hi all
Can someone tell me for sure, pls. I see mixed opinions from guide to guide.
Do we send OP in execute as soon as opportunist procs (highest prio) or only opportunist + < 85 rage?
rugged lily
@gray herald
got precisely 6366 of critical strike without any buffs
13190 haste and 21k mastery
gray herald
<@173228061074915329>
isn't that first ring the crit/haste one?
gray herald
looks pretty normal to me then
jastors just means you have high mastery (since it has like 6k on it)
rugged lily
i'm simming for crafted weapon with different stats to show the difference clearly
how replacing crit by versa makes me lose 1,6% dps
i have no fkin idea
gray herald
idk that doesnt sound right
for me it's like crit haste > haste vers > crit mastery
but nowhere near as much as 1.6%
(my current is 678 stix weapon)
gray herald
🎦
rugged lily
this drives me crazy
imma try changing enchants & gems, change some items to gain little % while gaining crit so the gameplay is easier to play
covert drift
Can someone please explain to me why every guide there is put cyrce ring as BiS but when i sim myself a mere 658 ring is simming higher than it on 5 targets? Was it nerfed? Or the sims can't really value its power?
soft gust
Pretty sure it’s because Cyrce’s scales with mastery and Jastor + House of Cards give a huge amount
If you dont have a lot of mastery then you’ll probably have better options
covert drift
Makes sense, thanks
viral locust
imma try changing enchants & gems, change some items to gain little % while gain...
If both are highlight it means sidegrade so it's within margin of error and both are your top option
Just SIM, use top options and blast tbh, don't obsess over stats, stat weights or DR
rugged lily
If both are highlight it means sidegrade so it's within margin of error and both...
it usually gives me more than margin of error
but yeah i was aware of that
if i change enchants and gems i might win like 6k dps -> atleast 4k8 if u count margin
viral locust
All side grades should be within margin of error though
rustic wing
What is the target count rules for when to use MS vs Cleave. 3+ targets? Also, what are the rules for OP use? Just as filler and rage generation?
muted fractal
is best in slots not actually BIS? sims say its a downgrade for me from the crafted
spiral coral
icy mulch
May depend on your embellishments.
Ascendancy doubled is rather strong.
Double dusk and mythic BiS should sim higher though.
muted fractal
oh ok i didn't check that, will take a look thanks
yeah i have ascendancy doubled , will check dusk
oh ok yeah, lol best in slots w/ dusk is 25k
grim anchor
do people still run bladestorm?
smoky kayak
Double dusk and mythic BiS should sim higher though.
Correct - once you get M BiS or Gally weapon, double Ascendence drops
That's just been out of reach for most players early in the tier
grim anchor
you need to be a bit more specific
idk I am running m+ cleave is that a good option
smoky kayak
Slayer plays Bladestorm
Colossus plays Ravager
naive sage
thane arms
Dream
sacred zodiac
you must see the vision
naive sage
Warbreaker calling down a big ass thunder would heal me
sacred zodiac
bring back warbringer
weak rain
and colossus fury? demolish replaces rampage?
naive sage
and colossus fury? demolish replaces rampage?
Good idea
weak rain
Ngl amirdrassil SD clap tier set would go hard for thane arms
icy mulch
Correct - once you get M BiS or Gally weapon, double Ascendence drops
That's jus...
I mean, getting to mythic OaB is a challenge to a vast majority of the players. Getting it to drop and win it, even more so.
smoky kayak
idk pretty easy for me 
quaint otter
Ngl amirdrassil SD clap tier set would go hard for thane arms
for colo.
prime bramble
Archi ain't gonna have anything to spend his dinars on
smoky kayak
lmao for real
dim basalt
673 is crazy high
smoky kayak
Archi ain't gonna have anything to spend his dinars on
don't worry, guild already knows
prime bramble
icy mulch
Ha, Medieval isn't wrong.
prime bramble
My tinfoil hat for dinars
Is each of the 3 gated events
Will give its own dinar
Keeps people playing for extended period over the content
smoky kayak
Ha, Medieval isn't wrong.
he's a healer, healers don't get loot
icy mulch
I'll just be happy they actually give em to us.
icy mulch
he's a healer, healers don't get loot
Ours do. They got the first two BiS on Heroic.
smoky kayak
Is each of the 3 gated events
honestly wouldn't be a terrible idea, but they'd really need to promote it
icy mulch
Hey Arch, throw this to ya. See what ya think.
dim basalt
Im 100% sure if bis drops on our bandit kill our boomkin will get it first
smoky kayak
I think ours was between me and our boomkin, who is also really good (ngl I forgot boomkins actually use it)
icy mulch
They rework Execute and Sudden Death.
Execute now works like Evoker "Deep breath." The longer you hold the button the more damage it does.
Sudden death proc now makes Execute full powered without holding the button.
Slayer can give what Sudden Death currently does.
dim basalt
Id give it to a ret tbh
smoky kayak
They rework Execute and Sudden Death.
Execute now works like Evoker "Deep breath...
no thank you
sacred zodiac
No dev evokers in your raid?
smoky kayak
we have one but he's kinda... special lol
dim basalt
Our dev recently rerolled to the spec so hes not giga op yet
smoky kayak
great guy, not always the best player lol
prime bramble
Never met a boomie that wasn't off mentally
edgy canyon
They rework Execute and Sudden Death.
Execute now works like Evoker "Deep breath...
ive reported you to the proper authorities
smoky kayak
They rework Execute and Sudden Death.
Execute now works like Evoker "Deep breath...
So I personally don't like hold-to-empower mechanics; I think that you pretty much always end up in one of two situations
- you always send ASAP
- you always hold to max
at which point... why even bother having it?
icy mulch
lol
nova marsh
They rework Execute and Sudden Death.
Execute now works like Evoker "Deep breath...
I prefer to hope empowered mechanics stay on evoker
icy mulch
Something new, that was my only thought.
nova marsh
So I personally don't like hold-to-empower mechanics; I think that you pretty mu...
It's literally heavy attack mechanics in a tab target game
smoky kayak
The only version of "hold-to-empower" I've ever enjoyed was a very early Tinker concept (that actually predated Evokers by about 6 years) that would scale the size of their AoE by holding
- longer hold = larger but weaker AoE
- shorter hold = bigger pinpoint damage
and I thought that was a novel idea because you actually have good reason to do both, and there's a little minigame of trying to time your AoE appropriately
prime bramble
And make commanding shout give more health to those in party
quasi torrent
another bloodlust coper
prime bramble
The only version of "hold-to-empower" I've ever enjoyed was a very early Tinker ...
That actually sounds amazing lol
smoky kayak
this was like... MoP/WoD era and it was actually such a cool design for a two-spec tinker
- mechsuit tank form that used steam as a resource
- ranged gunner using scalable bombs
prime bramble
I'm ready for legion remix so I can use the god tier juggernaut again
A truly toxic buff lol
Nothing like getting 30+ stacks and doing all your damage at the end
olive nest
Hate to burst your bubble but almost guaranteed that they use current class iterations for legion remix
If they do legion classic though you’re ballin!
prime bramble
If they do legion classic though you’re ballin!
Just gotta wait 6 more years lol
icy mulch
It was something someone mentioned in here or #fury and I laughed thinking how it may actually work.
olive nest
Certain podcast hinted at legion remix
prime bramble
Having the super saiyan weak aura for it is a nice touch as well
olive nest
So that’s pog
smoky kayak
They rework Execute and Sudden Death.
Execute now works like Evoker "Deep breath...
Ok so my proposition for a hypothetical future Execute rework mostly focuses on improving what we already have, rather than just replacing it with something new
- Reduce Bladestorm to 5 ticks over 4s, similar to Fury
- Reduce Juggernaut duration to 5 seconds and a max 5 of stacks
- Change Slayer's Malice to +Execute damage, so that the hero encourages Execute as a whole not just Sudden Death (this is more important for Fury than Arms, but also ensures Execute stays strong)
The intent here is to make Juggernaut's duration so short that no amount of Sudden Death procs could ever maintain it, thereby eliminating the concern of trying to pre-stack it before the Execute phase. Reducing the maximum number of stacks would also make dropping them less painful, since it'd stack back up more quickly as well. It wouldn't always be viable for every boss encounter with target swapping or downtime, but that's fine as long as there are other competitive options, which also means we might actually have a reason to play Colossus or Battlelord on occasion, instead of just Slayer everywhere
icy mulch
I'd rather just get rid of Jugg
If I was to seriously work on the class it would be to streamline a lot of talents and buff capstones.
hexed snow
Just buff execute by 238%
icy mulch
Oh, and rebalance AoE caps.
nova marsh
Ok so my proposition for a hypothetical future Execute rework mostly focuses on ...
Honestly this is the most sensible way to rework it. The problem with jugg is literally the pre stacking sucks
halcyon valve
idk pretty easy for me <a:peepolaugh:890741791928754206>
icy mulch
I’d be fine with no jug and massive execute natty
Which is why I'd rather just get rid of Jug. Even 5 stacks, the only way you're getting there is during Execute phase. You'd be doing nothing but spamming Execute, maybe MS to keep rend up.
Dopamine hits for sure though.
halcyon valve
this might sound crazy
but what if juggernaut only applies from execute casts that you actually spend rage on
slow saddle
Nah to complixTed
slow saddle
this might sound crazy
but what if juggernaut only applies from execute casts th...
U would need to use aura cancel for sd
hexed snow
Just make jugg stack 99 times 
smoky kayak
https://tenor.com/view/uni-cat-gif-16508948274886257497
yeah I'm pretty sure that's how they felt too 😅
smoky kayak
I’d be fine with no jug and massive execute natty
I like Jugg, my issue is that it's too all or nothing atm
slow saddle
Just makin it 5 stack would hwlp
halcyon valve
U would need to use aura cancel for sd
they can just disallow the aura cancel
no degen stuff that way
smoky kayak
and the potential for this shit just ruins the whole Sudden Death system
halcyon valve
ayo wtf
slow saddle
Make furys juggernaut do dmg not crit
hexed snow
I've always thought personally that, sudden death should exist. As in random exec procs. But just a simple if statement.
If executing when target is above 20%/35% gives a buff that empowers other abilities
If executing while less than 20/35% greatly empowers abilities.
smoky kayak
this might sound crazy
but what if juggernaut only applies from execute casts th...
unrelated to the above, an idea I also like is making SD work like it did in Wrath - only make the initial 20 rage free, not the extra
sounds like a downgrade, but the idea is to help every GCD contribute to tactician/am
hexed snow
But that's just my shitty as non game dev mind
slow saddle
unrelated to the above, an idea I also like is making SD work like it did in Wra...
Agreed
halcyon valve
unrelated to the above, an idea I also like is making SD work like it did in Wra...
yeah that would actually be good. we just kinda have too much rage rn anyway, so being able to spend a bit more, while also getting the benefits from that? hell yeah
slow saddle
They can always tune rage
smoky kayak
yeah that would actually be good. we just kinda have too much rage rn anyway, so...
yeah basically, as long as the economy supports it
halcyon valve
it is what it is
prime bramble
My current gripe is being encouraged to degen pre key in m+
Just make potions, and buffs not work before key drops
smoky kayak
Yeah, not a huge deal in the long run, but I'd be inclined to agree
halcyon valve
all theyd need to do is clear the auras on start of the key, just like they do with warlock healthstones when theres no warlock in the group, easy peasy
prime bramble
Yea it's not the end of the world, just hate when gameplay rewards wonky shit like that
Or if I swapped to nelf how much easier it would be to get the stacks lol
prime bramble
Yea it makes a difference at the start of several dungeons
slow saddle
Sadly
delicate spire
Any input on whether to craft sword or polearm? It it purely preference?
eager sigil
all the same
quaint otter
whats cheaper
quasi torrent
you craft what is cheapest / what u like the drip of
sword mace pole axe are all identical
urban moth
Ok so my proposition for a hypothetical future Execute rework mostly focuses on ...
maybe combine Juggernaut together with Fatality and swap the tree positioning of Fatality and Executioner's Precision
dim basalt
maybe combine Juggernaut together with Fatality and swap the tree positioning of...
Only if Fatality doesnt work with modifiers
But even without modifiers that would be a really stacked talent ngl
urban moth
Any input on whether to craft sword or polearm? It it purely preference?
it's more based on what spec you have in weaponsmithing compared to other classes you intend on crafting for. Other classes can't use certain weapon types
slow saddle
But even without modifiers that would be a really stacked talent ngl
So finally we would get s great capstone?
dim basalt
So finally we would get s great capstone?
tru
stable fiber
So finally we would get s great capstone?
executioners precision is a pretty good capstone
a bit boring but good
tender ermine
Time for another thanks post. From all the help in the logs and review channel I got my first orange parse and ilevel parse in heroic raid and can consistently keep in the top few dps players in my group. Yall do the lords work here helping people improve and not enough thanks goes round for all the time and work people put in here. Appreciate you all greatly and look forward to updating in the future any further progress.
stable fiber
W
slow saddle
executioners precision is a pretty good capstone
Its not bad but requires all tslents to rly work
stable fiber
isnt that most capstones...?
stable fiber
yeah it really is
warrior as a class by far has the most talents in the class tree that relate to damage though
you would think that some of them would be good in different scenarios but you really just pick one thing in everything
faint fog
On rik mythic do you guys just send sweeping and hope it's enough or do you take cleave for the explosives
olive nest
For me just sweep
stable fiber
some people run colossus, but i just sweep
stable fiber
thats a heavy rng boss though so colossus will only work like 1/10 pulls
sweeping way more consistent
verbal marten
tert god
faint fog
That's what I was thinking too
olive nest
Just sweep really and hope your range are not greedy and hit the farthest adds
stable fiber
rik u just send cds on pull then save for third set, first sweep you send when the adds spawn, second sweep you use like 3 seconds after the beam (so it lines up for 3rd set), then third set you send when they spawn
then afterwards you hold cds for the next barrel spawn or if you get 10 stacks of your tierset to proc, the execute goes bonkers when that procs
thick kelp
stable fiber
i got 10 stacks of my tierset to proc at the end of the pull when i was holding for barrels and this is boss damage only
naive sage
i got 10 stacks of my tierset to proc at the end of the pull when i was holding ...
Lmao
stable fiber
it goes hard
was a rank 2 parse beaten only by the russian colossus guy that got crazy rng with barrel spawns
visual fern
and the potential for this shit just ruins the whole Sudden Death system
Ofc I die to melee bug too
🙂
vast drum
Do we swap talents for each boss or just swap from ST for a few? Just started playing arms
sacred zodiac
you can probably just stick to the st talents for literally every boss and be fine in hc and below
lyric horizon
ngl i have a similar question in that regard, but why do so many people use fury on cauldron, rik, and stix, but then swap to colossus arms at oab
sacred zodiac
if you're moving into mythic you should put some effort in and figure out the best talent setups
sacred zodiac
ngl i have a similar question in that regard, but why do so many people use fury...
dont need to optimize anything for cauldron
sacred zodiac
because they prefer fury/killed cauldron as their comfort pick and then swapped to arms for prog bosses/idk
lyric horizon
i see, so it kinda comes down to comfort then?
eager sigil
most people like fury more
lyric horizon
i havent simmed it but i cant imagine the damage differential is considerably larger in that regard
sacred zodiac
fury sims higher unless you have weird jewelry setups that only allow for arms
but again cauldron is so piss that it doesnt matter hat you bring at all
lyric horizon
yea, my group just started mythic cauldron so that threw me off lol
eager sigil
you wont die on that boss because you play the wrong spec
lyric horizon
yea thats why i wanted to know why so many mythic raiders swap to fury for those fights but then use arms for the rest
eager sigil
like i said they are fury and swap to arms for bosses where its needed
lyric horizon
ok i think i miscommunicated
my original question should have been tailored more for stix / oab
eager sigil
arms is bad for oab
eager sigil
fury does good aoe for that fight
arms just doesnt
oab arms cds align better
so you play it
sacred zodiac
arms is bad for oab
huh?
lyric horizon
yea i was gonna say that the top 100 parses for mythic stix are all fury but i realized what you meant 😛
aight, thanks for the help though 👍
manic river
Are some of your using blademaster's torment? I was watching a video from Biz and I think he was using it
slow saddle
Are some of your using blademaster's torment? I was watching a video from Biz an...
For mass aoe
In some dungeons
manic river
Hm, so in more aoe heavy dungeons you switch to it but for others like, let's say, theater you would go with warlord
slow saddle
Hm, so in more aoe heavy dungeons you switch to it but for others like, let's sa...
Do i want to win overall
Or do i want more st
manic river
Isn't warlord just a gain on rage generated?
manic river
i see
short wolf
Buff!
slow saddle
At least it didnt say warbringer
queen garden
still a ballerina spin animation or we get jump smash back?
dim basalt
Just cant log on Rik
same
I dont know why but it just doesnt wanna work
I even managed to keep 15 stacks of jugg through intermission
halcyon valve
how i sleep knowing my best on rik is a 73 🛌
hexed snow
halcyon valve
i just hit barrel, boss dies, good enough
atomic mountain
guys i made it. full pug
minor mica
Warrior change next week !! Can't believe they remembered us !!
https://www.wowhead.com/fr/news/patch-11-1-5-official-patch-notes-released-376407
errant goblet
Warrior change next week !! Can't believe they remembered us !!
https://www.wowh...
have we seen the change yet?
also how come there so obsessed with changing warbreaker suddenly?
sacred zodiac
have we seen the change yet?
ye its in #updates-midnight
errant goblet
pre-cursor for rework? (
)
sacred zodiac
also how come there so obsessed with changing warbreaker suddenly?
why not the visual was dated and ppl are asking for warrior to be more flashy/modern
errant goblet
the most recent post in updates is last weeks balance changes
errant goblet
oh so its not actually anything new just whats been on ptr for a while
sacred zodiac
that is by definition new
errant goblet
mhm
smoky kayak
ngl i have a similar question in that regard, but why do so many people use fury...
OAB is a harder boss, so they probably feel like the swap is more meaningful there
that said, Thane is very competitive as well, arguably even better if your comp isn't super heavy on add damage
smoky kayak
also how come there so obsessed with changing warbreaker suddenly?
This is the new version on the PTR, they just removed the phantom weapons entirely
#updates-midnight message
icy mulch
This is the new version on the PTR, they just removed the phantom weapons entire...
No cool sound to make it "feel" impactful?
I still think this fan made one is the way they should go. #arms message
untold trench
Why does it look so... low impact?
icy mulch
Cause that's what Blizzard wants Warrior to be.
somber lance
what our damage breakdown looking like? or it depends on the key?
errant goblet
<:keks:936231610850897992> Cause that's what Blizzard wants Warrior to be.
they have succeeded in doing that for a long time now
icy mulch
reef glade
me when ppl whine about new animation and now they change it to be worse than current
chatting
spectral swords are cool as shit
just wish slam down was more impactful
icy mulch
The new animation is better than the spectral weapons.
reef glade
its the exact same and just removed them
errant goblet
just wish slam down was more impactful
itd be cool if slam was an actual slam for a lot of races its an upward swing or a slash
reef glade
strict downgrade
icy mulch
Look at the fan made one I linked. That's what they should of aimed for.
copper summit
can someone help me understand this persons rotation on sprocket mythic he cast rend instead of TC also stormbolt.. multiple times also casted TC .. both tc and rend
minor gust
strict downgrade
Agreed this new one is strictly worse. It's boring sounds worse and still has the dumb spin. I still don't understand why so many hated the weapons. Warrior desperately needs more flashy and fun animations. But so many ppl were like omg muh lore how do warriors summon weapons are we a mage now!
smoky kayak
yeah that looks nice
smoky kayak
No cool sound to make it "feel" impactful?
not sure I agree on the sound part though, I mean it has an obvious slamming sound
maybe it could be a little better, but it's definitely there
smoky kayak
Agreed this new one is strictly worse. It's boring sounds worse and still has th...
fwiw I liked the weapons, but I don't think they fit Warbreaker specifically as well as they might another ability
I do agree with not liking the ballerina spin though - seems like they were trying to create more distinction from Thunder Clap, and the WW animation is largely unused atm
minor gust
I still prefer the og Warbreaker animation over the weapons but I didn't think they were as bad as people made them out to be
They really shoulda just stuck with the og concept of Warbreaker and made it more modernized
minor gust
can someone help me understand this persons rotation on sprocket mythic he cast ...
What's the confusion dude is keeping up rend and pressing stormbolt in bladestorm
slow saddle
Smart
copper summit
What's the confusion dude is keeping up rend and pressing stormbolt in bladestor...
never clicked it was while he was in BS tbh.. but the rend vs TC still throwing me off
smoky kayak
can someone help me understand this persons rotation on sprocket mythic he cast ...
Well Rend is better than TC on ST, so that part makes sense
Storm Bolt is also an (insignificant) damage increase during Bladestorm
Might have used Thunder Clap while out of range due to movement, or just absentmindedly been in the wrong spec
hollow cradle
never clicked it was while he was in BS tbh.. but the rend vs TC still throwing ...
The dps gain from TC on single target and vs rend is so minimal. I personally wouldn’t obsess over that unless your trying to turn your 99 to a 100
copper summit
Well Rend is better than TC on ST, so that part makes sense
Storm Bolt is also a...
how is rend better than tc? they do the same no?
dim basalt
Rend does more initial damage
hollow cradle
same with storm bolt on blade storm
copper summit
ngl i never read some of the abilitys till now rend was in TC so i just never read it lol ... wonder what else im missing
hollow cradle
I’d say most of the skill expression with arms is trying to maintain high juggernaut pre execute phase. I’d focus more on that
hollow cradle
Truu but minimizing your losses isn’t
minor gust
never clicked it was while he was in BS tbh.. but the rend vs TC still throwing ...
Brother lmao it's literally in the screenshot you posted he's in bladestorm when he presses stormbolt
void shell
When thunderclap applies rend, does it just apply the DoT or the initial rend damage as well
minor gust
Just the dot and does the TC dmg for initial dmg
Which is why technically in ST rend is better for a very very minor gain
minor gust
dim basalt
sprocket did not die today, keep getting held hostage by ranged dps
void shell
The gain is probably so minor its barely worth using
tacit crystal
no its worth
minor gust
It's up to the person...
tacit crystal
required to crank
minor gust
I haven't used rend ever
flat willow
considering what % of your damage rend dot damage is, I fear to think about the difference in initial damage between rend and TC
minor gust
Still get 99s and 100s
minor gust
Perma always use TC because I don't care enough to change my spec on a pure st fight
zenith warren
yo guys, is your uptime on dawnthread lining usually higher than 60% in raid?
minor gust
It's really nice if you have to step outta melee for a sec you can still TC and update rend why ur not in melee
smoky kayak
considering what % of your damage rend dot damage is, I fear to think about the ...
it's not worth thinking about in the vast majority of situations
if you're bothering to talent into TC, then just use TC everywhere - it's not even worth putting Rend on your bars (which is a good thing, no need to clutter with an extra redundant button)
but in this particular case it's a pure ST boss and so there's no real reason to be talenting into TC to begin with
flat willow
ah that's true, the biggest gain is probably saving a keybind
minor gust
It's one of those things thankfully where it genuinely doesn't matter
Like the stormbolt shit
void shell
Might as well take whirlwind off my bars while Im at it right
minor gust
In your st build sure you can. But cleave replaces WW so whenever your talented into cleave it will replace that keybind
void shell
In your st build sure you can. But cleave replaces WW so whenever your talented ...
Yeah but thats what I meant, theres no situation where you would use WW in builds where you have it so its kinda redundant
hollow cradle
Unless test of might becomes meta and you need to drain rage faster
minor gust
Personally I like to keep keybind consistent so I still have WW/cleave bound in my st build instead of replacing it with something else so my brain doesn't get confused
Ik that this button is my AOE button and that will never change
void shell
Personally I like to keep keybind consistent so I still have WW/cleave bound in ...
I have cleave on 3 and having WW on that and slam on 4 feels kinda int
reef glade
Dying 20 times in floodgate you need to see jesus
mild hound
IPA beef?
reef glade
even in cinder brew kinda but that’s a pick your own poison with how big you pull
nova marsh
we called it after that disaster lmafo
mild hound
Pull strat that doesn’t pull the entire ipa room feels best
nova marsh
Pull strat that doesn’t pull the entire ipa room feels best
isn't there like 4 hobgoblins in there?
nova marsh
With lust I assume
mild hound
The one I pugged/timed didn’t pull em all
nova marsh
Cuz holy shit ur healer is gonna have a stroke
grim anchor
When you first charge into a pack what’s usually the first button to press ?
eager sigil
thunderclap
grim anchor
thunderclap
Thunderclap, cleave, and then pop cds ravager and then pump out more cleaves ?
void shell
@smoky kayak This might be a stupid question but does arms use the ABC rule or is it fine to wait for MS if say casting a slam would clip into it
smoky kayak
you shouldn't really ever have that issue, since the cooldown divides evenly into the GCD
most things in WoW are designed to, with just a few exceptions
but yes, you should always be casting something unless doing so will cause you to rage starve to a point that you're unable to use a more important ability
void shell
Sometimes it feels like Im using slam and its cutting into MS getting off CD but the alternative is to not cast anything for a GCD
smoky kayak
if you have a high/default lag tolerance, it's more likely that you're seeing the GCD early as a result of spell queueing, but your abilities should not normally be clipping
void shell
Is it reccomended to play with lower than the default? mines at 400
whole steppe
Any tips about when to use BiS?
If use it with avatar and warbreaker i can't use my trinket (house of cards) i don't know the exact time to use
minor gust
if you have an on use trinket just use BIS with your next CS/Warbreaker
smoky kayak
Is it reccomended to play with lower than the default? mines at 400
really depends on whether or not the default is uncomfortable for you - search my previous posts for "spell queue" and you'll find plenty of info
whole steppe
if you have an on use trinket just use BIS with your next CS/Warbreaker
What was the CS?
minor gust
colossus smash
whole steppe
ahh, ok
silk spade
spectral swords are cool as shit
L take
reef glade
L 300 heroic ansurek in 2 weeks killer take
quaint otter
silk spade
still less than your queen prog i think
reef glade
what
silk spade
didnt M queen take you like 500 pulls
reef glade
think comparing a pull of mythic to a single kill of heroic is whats cooked there
but yea like 380 sum
dont think most people go higher than 50 kills of an aotc boss in a season tho
tacit crystal
no he means kills
reef glade
week 1 aotc no leaver
silk spade
30 pulls day 2 iirc
silk spade
think comparing a pull of mythic to a single kill of heroic is whats cooked ther...
i wasnt ocmparing anything lmao
not sure why you took me seriously there
reef glade
you spoke of my queen prog
never speak of those dark times
like 5 1%er's lost to some bullshit
gallywix will surely be better
tacit crystal
cease
manic river
At what point are we droping the siren's isle ring?
reef glade
when robot says to
tacit crystal
when the robot says to
eager sigil
🤖 drop it now
tacit crystal
yeah
reef glade
raidbots simc robot
if youve ever simmed itll say when to replace when you get a better ring
tacit crystal
for me i dont replace it while playing slayer but do while playing colo
minor gust
w
daring heron
i couldn't not do this with mugzee posing like this
nova marsh
Crit in shades looks cool
minor gust
We need evil Crit back for a stream or edgy Crit forgot what the meme was been awhile
daring heron
last time he appeared was in a nokhud run in season 1 df
minor gust
Date night Crit
nova marsh
Holy fuck
tacit crystal
hes only 1 more demolish cancel from appearing
nova marsh
DF will be 3 years old in novemeber
daring heron
lmao
minor gust
Party Crit with a tie around his head lmao
bright scarab
I’m trying to learn Arms at the moment and I would appreciate it someone could help me understand the mini burst windows that we have. That’s basically Colossus Smash window right? For ST we try to fit as many empowered Executes, Tactician procs, and Mortal strikes in that window?
sour marsh
i think i cooked
Did you even flare your jaw out? 10/10
shadow ibex
I’m trying to learn Arms at the moment and I would appreciate it someone could h...
It's not really a dmg window in that sense. With AM and the lengthy duration it already has about a 50% uptime
You just press buttons during it
Don't use it if the boss is about to leave/die is the beginning and end of maximizing it's usage really
vast surge
once in awhile you hold CS/WB cause it will line up with colossus, ravager or bladestorm
bright scarab
It's not really a dmg window in that sense. With AM and the lengthy duration it ...
When it comes to min maxing Arms then what should I be paying attention to besides reacting properly to procs or resets?
stable fiber
you can manipulate which stats the circlet gives you by unequipping and reequipping certain pieces of gear
for example it was giving me 3k haste instead of 3k crit in m+, both arent bad things but crit is typically better in m+ than haste is
i had to take off my rik reverb neck and jastor diamond so i could lose ~7k haste, then unequip and requip the circlet so it would give me 3k crit instead of 3k haste
then you could requip rik neck and the jastor diamond and you would just have 3k more crit now instead of 3k more haste
im sure this was known already, just strange that it works in a weird ass way and doesnt snapshot based off your base stats without the ring equipped
nova marsh
....circe's snap shotting is really weird
stable fiber
yeah i was at 13k crit and now im at 16k
nova marsh
like almost nothing in wow snap shots
shadow ibex
Flask giving you secondary can change it too
nova marsh
besides like feral druid
brittle fiber
what are people's current stat weights for arms
brittle fiber
most my bis is geared towards arms yet my fury single target is better
grand idol
Stat weights have a legitimate use, it's just not as a metric to choose gear in a vacuum anymore.
brittle fiber
yea i understand that principle but i was hovering around 30% crit and haste and even with that gear, my fury was still more competitive
(obviously geared my fury with better pieces)
stable fiber
Flask giving you secondary can change it too
this yeah
stable fiber
Stat weights have a legitimate use, it's just not as a metric to choose gear in ...
i only use stat weights to help with gems and enchants
its bait otherwise
brittle fiber
to clarify i'm not using stat weights to gear over droptimiser, just curious if there's a threshold where arms st outperforms fury st
stable fiber
i also use stat weights to see if something is far ahead of something else and my crafted gear is like haste/vers for example but crit is far ahead of vers.
i will then go to top gear and sim a haste/crit piece instead of haste/vers piece and see if it is a increased based off the top gear sim
thats how you should use stat weights (+ gems and enchants), you have to use it with other tools to help you
the worst way to use stat weights is to equip gear in your inventory based off what the stat weights says
brittle fiber
i appreciate that information, but it wasn't what i was asking. I was asking if there's a break point where optimising crit haste (through gearing such as droptimiser etc) makes arms single target better than fury
from what i understand of ulria sims, fury st was always ahead of arms st, but i was just curious if someone has a sim that shows the opposite
dreamy seal
Watched critcake's +17 motherlode. What is the reason to hold SS on large mob mount packs? He even cancelled aurad SS once on purpose due to mob count in the pack
nova marsh
the worst way to use stat weights is to equip gear in your inventory based off w...
Basically the worst thing you can do is use Pawn.
stable fiber
from what i understand of ulria sims, fury st was always ahead of arms st, but i...
my arms sim is 2.6m and my fury sim is 2.477m, mostly because ive geared purely for arms
wait im a dumbass
one second
reef glade
seems in bis gear fury is better than arms st currently
stable fiber
reef glade
regardless you still play arms on execute important fights like mugzee, probably bandit too though not as big of a deal i think
stable fiber
fury is better sim dps than arms
i dont think its better st in this raid though
also i dont really know what you mean break points
ok my arms sim is 2.587m and fury sim is 2.578m (with right talents)
much better
brittle fiber
well my fury st was worse than my arms st until i got more master on my fury, even with unoptimised fury gear, it's still outdpsing my arms which i initially geared for
but yea i can acknowledge with forced downtime bosses that there are an inclination towards arms over fury
stable fiber
well its mostly cause you lust in execute on both those bosses
which is a GIGA boost to arms dps
brittle fiber
Tru
stable fiber
also both those bosses last longer than 5 minutes
which im pretty sure puts arms ahead of fury in bis gear
even with lust on pull
brittle fiber
that's a good point actually
delicate spire
i thought cyrce's circlet was supposed to be pretty good til a myth track ring. is this sim accurate? 😮
magic canopy
its within variance + you are simming dungeon slice which is unreliable
delicate spire
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/xdmrCgpMHB56MCuU977WoH
here's a single target sim
last dome
do we ignore simc for the circlet, im seeing people still using it but tehy have better gear then me but my sims has it -50k dps
smoky kayak
its within variance + you are simming dungeon slice which is unreliable
nothing about it is unreliable, it's just diff
smoky kayak
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/xdmrCgpMHB56MCuU977WoH
here's a single t...
it really depends on your stats
delicate spire
it really depends on your stats
i see, i currently have 36% haste and 25% crit. maybe a little too haste heavy atm
magic canopy
also colossus has a secondary crit steriod in it
so colossus will value crit a bit more
smoky kayak
i see, i currently have 36% haste and 25% crit. maybe a little too haste heavy a...
it's cause your ilvl is lower, the big pile of stats is worth more
for me, the diff between Circlet and the best M+ ring @ 678 is +/- 0.1% (but it's also worth a lil more as fury than arms)
rare kite
also colossus has a secondary crit steriod in it
And more cdr on demolish when ms crits
delicate spire
ahh that does make sense. thank you for the info
full widget
Gunna take a full 10 second to channel demolish then
oblique bear
delicate spire
his discord has it
minor gust
9% on OAB already holy how many pulls are you guys in rn?
minor gust
weve only had 1 night of prog so far and havent got past first bomb set
I guess were just fucking terrible now
shadow ibex
im playing thane
to take care of them
btw frenzy
is the worst mechanic in this game
like jug
minor gust
yee
shadow ibex
i swear so much of brown feels like its still being designed in fuckin 2004
x2 10% wipes
this shit can die tn
tacit crystal
arm
quaint otter
💪
calm hollow
66 wipes
Only 66 wipes and 9%? How are you so behind on prog then? Thats insanely good
modern ivy
hey guys thinking of starting a dps warrior alt. I think I’m wanting to play arms but is there a significant difference in spec viability for m+ between the two in high keys?
quaint otter
naive sage
hey guys thinking of starting a dps warrior alt. I think I’m wanting to play arm...
Both are good but definitely not meta and you will struggle getting invited in pug
tribal sail
hey guys on AOE should i always aim to use cleace with 2 stack of overpower or just one is enough?
modern ivy
Both are good but definitely not meta and you will struggle getting invited in p...
sadge
charred shoal
hey guys on AOE should i always aim to use cleace with 2 stack of overpower or j...
cleave on cd
quaint otter
hey guys on AOE should i always aim to use cleace with 2 stack of overpower or j...
Cleave on cd often its 1 stack
naive sage
hey guys on AOE should i always aim to use cleace with 2 stack of overpower or j...
Just send cleave all the time except if you build a big ass collateral damage and you’re having a bigger pack soon
tribal sail
ok ok thanks yall
slow saddle
do we ignore simc for the circlet, im seeing people still using it but tehy have...
no?_?
1 u are prob simming it wrong
2 what ever robot tells me i do
slow saddle
I've simmed it alot of ways and it's not better idk
i mean what are u simming against 1
2 what spec
3 are u 100% certian u are pressing all 3 gems in ?
viral locust
hey guys thinking of starting a dps warrior alt. I think I’m wanting to play arm...
Arms > Fury imo if you have the gear, looking at logs usually has higher overall and higher boss damage, but it does have a little less HP but that should not matter too much
slow saddle
hmm fury should 100% have more boss dmg
not even close
so if u are lookin to do 10 keys id say fury 100% boss and prio dmg, makes keys be completed more often than mass aoe
viral locust
hmm fury should 100% have more boss dmg
I mean logs disagree on higher keys
Almost half keys are top boss damage arms, whilst doing way more aoe so not so sure about that one in practice
last dome
i mean what are u simming against 1
arms, patchwork 5 targets 1m30s and have the right gems
naive sage
Quick off topic question my main chars have always been arms and enhancement, what spec do you think I could find fun or engaging to play for a change?
last dome
dev voker
last dome
its not alot, but its engaging and different
naive sage
its not alot, but its engaging and different
Ty
quaint otter
Isn’t it like 3 buttons?
Scalecommader yes but flameshaper is the play now
robust cypress
do people cancelaura bladestorm?
fair topaz
Since we got unhinged, bladestorm isn't a single target loss anymore so outside of damage reflection phases or specific pvp scenarios where u dont want to break cc it would be useless
tacit crystal
do people cancelaura bladestorm?
not really, only use cases would be to health pot / stone and or charge (pvp mainly)
I personally have a cancelaura on execute because I play for jug but prob not optimal short term
slow saddle
arms, patchwork 5 targets 1m30s and have the right gems
Try simming same ST
sacred zodiac
@tacit crystal you are progging at 5 am my time
tacit crystal
<@335579026259312641> you are progging at 5 am my time
w shit
fresh spire
left plume
Getting back into arms. Quick question. Say tank pulls 12 mobs. I TC and it hits 5 targets with rend. If I swap to another target without rend and TC again will it hit 5 new targets with rend or is it random if it hits a new twrget or reapplies the debuff? Basically wondering how often I should TC on a larger pull.
tribal kindle
I think if you use thunder clap again it will reapplies rend to 15 targets for every 1 target 5 more get rend the second time you use it
steel portal
does unhinged proc 2 mortal strikes if you have sweeping strikes up?
quaint otter
No
steel portal
k
covert drift
Guys, boots and cloak or bracer and cloak for crafted gear with embelishment?
dawn garden
hey guys been looking at the arms talent for m+ (demo) and i dont get why we take thunderous roar instead of champion spear , isnt the second better ? if not why.. on wowhead or icyveins there's no details about it
teal fossil
because it sims better
naive sage
hey guys been looking at the arms talent for m+ (demo) and i dont get why we tak...
Read the talents right under thunderous roar, also it sims better
eager sigil
they are both kinda bad and roar doesnt get fucked if you have to move
dawn garden
it increase bleed dmg, but spear can increase demo dmg by a good margin
eager sigil
yea it can but you dont wanna hold demolish really
quaint otter
it increase bleed dmg, but spear can increase demo dmg by a good margin
Needs all stars to allign
stable fiber
Guys, boots and cloak or bracer and cloak for crafted gear with embelishment?
typically bracers and cloak because crafted items are forced to be 3 ilvls lower than max myth track, bracers and cloak give the least amount of stats so you lose the least amount of total stats by crafting cloak and bracers
i like spear in m+
dawn garden
Needs all stars to allign
make sense
stable fiber
i think its better dps wise too
quaint otter
I run it as prot
stable fiber
its easier to use as prot
stable fiber
plus you can control the mob movement
also spear can increase your partys dps as well in a way, can pixel stack the mobs which is a massive boost in dps
steel portal
the stacking must be nice for demolish which can be tricky to aim
And even for cleave 😋
teal fossil
they are both kinda bad and roar doesnt get fucked if you have to move
the removed the standing in circle thing
dawn garden
been doing some m+ with demo today for the first time and im having a hard time landing the last hit, sometimes mob moves, or the tank decides to go for a coffee downtown and brings the mobs with him, but i suppose the more i play the less ill have the problem
young iron
Quick off topic question my main chars have always been arms and enhancement, wh...
What is it that you like most about fury and enh
oh fr? you can leap during it
lunar remnant
Yessir
young iron
good lookin out homie tyty
steel portal
Holy shit really 😝
young iron
Wowhead guide says on aoe to hit cleave>TC>Roar>avatar>sweeping>ravager>warbreaker>cleave>demo for opener, is anything significant if I do this out of order except for the immediate few AFTER avatar since you'll have reckless running for such a limited time
naive sage
What is it that you like most about fury and enh
Fury not much
stable fiber
U dont run recklessness
talent gives us recklessness
dawn garden
You can HL during the demolish
what's HL?
quaint otter
talent gives us recklessness
I mean that capstone is dog after they removed it from cs
lunar remnant
what's HL?
Heroic Leap
stable fiber
nah nah
dark ledge
Funhouse lens sims for 2k higher then bloodoath signet, but I already have it on champion track. Signet of the priory sims way lower. Should I take the myth track ring and pray for hero track funhouse lens or take the trinket?
stable fiber
that capstone fucks
quaint otter
stable fiber
i have 70% crit chance when i use avatar + funhouse lens
lunar remnant
Funhouse lens sims for 2k higher then bloodoath signet, but I already have it on...
I would take the ring if you don’t have a good one
quaint otter
Funhouse lens sims for 2k higher then bloodoath signet, but I already have it on...
Run few delves
stable fiber
Funhouse lens sims for 2k higher then bloodoath signet, but I already have it on...
bloodoath signet is something you will never unequip
minor gust
is it dog compared to what it was in DF yes
stable fiber
take the ring
minor gust
but its good compared to what we have right now
quaint otter
got it too
astral latch
So where exactly is funhouse lens dropping from? Wowhead comments are all over the place
astral latch
So it's not underpin or a specific one, its all of the bountiful ones?
quaint otter
Also use wavescrabler to get a map from boss to get odds for heroic track lense
Yes
astral latch
Alright, cheers
lavish snow
Hey, how much crit is to much crit? 🙂 I am rocking 37% atm, I feel I have to much
young iron
So it's not underpin or a specific one, its all of the bountiful ones?
Yeah the one you really want is gonna come from vault or from delvers bounty to get hero track, but 8+ bountifuls will at least drop you a champ
young iron
Hey, how much crit is to much crit? 🙂 I am rocking 37% atm, I feel I have to mu...
whats your rating at 37%?
lavish snow
20,075 ( 37%)
keeps going up and down but it's actually at 36.45% sorry
I just simmed it, seems I should recraft my gear to Haste Mastery
covert drift
Hey, how much crit is to much crit? 🙂 I am rocking 37% atm, I feel I have to mu...
AFAIK you need to sim yourself, past 30% you get diminishing returns from the stat
I usually try to balance haste and crit
lavish snow
yeah I only have 19% haste. I figured I was doing something wrong
stable fiber
Hey, how much crit is to much crit? 🙂 I am rocking 37% atm, I feel I have to mu...
good number for colossus, a bit much for slayer in raid
stable fiber
AFAIK you need to sim yourself, past 30% you get diminishing returns from the st...
its not a % number that you get diminishing returns from, its a flat number of stat
crit and mastery both go on a 10% dr after 21000 rating
vers goes on a 10% dr after 23400
haste goes on a 10% dr after 19800
then around every 7000 of a stat you gain it goes on a extra 10% dr
minor gust
all stuff you dont need to think about because sims take this all into account
stable fiber
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
my unholy dk goes on a 30% dr when funhouse lens procs haste
but the sim STILL wants more haste
it all depends on your spec really
minor gust
get gear run top gear sim get your answer win
naive sage
lavish snow
Yeah, I get a 20k dps increase if I recraft my bracers and belt to haste mastery, That was after getting the hero tack pacemaker
Thank you for the info
stable fiber
a lot of stat questions in class discords and looking at stat breakpoints hasnt mattered since hit and expertise was a thing
lul
and certain specs that had haste breakpoints, it doesnt really exist anymore
quaint otter
Hey, how much crit is to much crit? 🙂 I am rocking 37% atm, I feel I have to mu...
i have 44 and feel alright
teal fossil
minor gust
Feelycrafters goin hard today.
halcyon valve
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/933386399279878154/991343673419763753/c...
The vibes are sending me "more crit"
maiden hull
can someone recomment a good arms class weakaura?
void bay
can someone recomment a good arms class weakaura?
i use luxthos for every class
it auto switches between warrior specs
nova marsh
rip infinite frontflips you will be missed
Is that an actual thing?
stable fiber
Is that an actual thing?
yeah the luck gives you infinite flips
pretty sure it adds 50% chance for you to flip and it already was 50% to flip
tardy jasper
Does anyone have a plater script that that signifies if a target's Rend is low or missing?
wintry arch
I blacklisted everything besides CS and rend
I’m not sure how to make a warning or something if that’s what you mean
tardy jasper
I'm wondering if anyone has a script built that will add things like color striations in the nameplate when rend is missing or something like that
Sort of like what I see some use to highlight their focus target, but for rend
jade cargo
u can do that with platter i think @tardy jasper
i got an MT rend WA back in time - but not on plates
lunar remnant
Warr at 5th no wonder blizz doesn’t think we need any love our player base is too dedicated
slow saddle
Warr at 5th no wonder blizz doesn’t think we need any love our player base is to...
Yet palas has gotten 6 reworks and 100 million tuning rounds
shadow ibex
Only 66 wipes and 9%? How are you so behind on prog then? Thats insanely good
I don't think being pretty much 6/8 at this point is behind at all
jade cargo
Warr at 5th no wonder blizz doesn’t think we need any love our player base is to...
the only thing matter is if Arms War is N1 in ur hearth
calm hollow
I don't think being pretty much 6/8 at this point is behind at all
well you are 5/8, which is kinda behind for Hof at least
shadow ibex
I'm new to this guild tho. My old one was sending like 30 wipes on vexxie however
naive breach
:S
shadow ibex
And last I heard my old gm was telling people to buy ansurek CE since we weren't gonna rekill
jade cargo
why to buy CE?
rare kite
And last I heard my old gm was telling people to buy ansurek CE since we weren't...
lmao thats so fucked up
shadow ibex
Yea it was a mess of a team
lethal isle
good evening all! dont suppose someone could take a look at my raiding log or do it with me? 😄 any help would be awesome! https://discord.com/channels/148872210742771712/1362583426586251576
atomic rose
someone can give me the macro or the command for the spell reflect for saying that in /say
eager nexus
wtf. Why is the game not letting me put on glyph of deep wounds
quaint otter
someone can give me the macro or the command for the spell reflect for saying th...
just type this in macro?
atomic rose
just type this in macro?
and for the dmg i do with it
quaint otter
thats some wa i dont know about it
atomic rose
is my question if is a wa or macro or command i don't known, i'm a beginner with war so
quaint otter
and for the dmg i do with it
https://wago.io/C9i5GJxxv maybe this
atomic rose
i'm gonna try it ty
halcyon valve
fellow arms players
do i craft axe for maximum gamble
rough sluice
why not
halcyon valve
thats the spirit
rough sluice
I crafted weapon and have got a weapon multiple times in vault 
halcyon valve
i havent had a single weapon in vault since season start lmao
rough sluice
then you know what to do
I need to get 3k done, just playing queue simulator is getting boring
shadow ibex
wtf. Why is the game not letting me put on glyph of deep wounds
deep wounds glyph is prot only
shadow ibex
hollow wave
Iam so excited about the new visuals for the warbreaker
void bay
Iam so excited about the new visuals for the warbreaker
A senior dev worked on that for a month, so I bet they are greatful!
severe crag
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tacit crystal
that is how i feel when playing arms in raid
i called for your aid
rare kite
if it was yesterday i was sleeping. had to wake up early for easter bbq
rare kite
in the aug channel? i don't want to speak there, the only time i go there is to ask "how much of augs damage is their own" once per season. one day they will say 100%
shadow ibex
have we seen new visuals for war breaker
soft gust
Pretty sure its the ptr change in the updates channel from a while ago
Just ghost weapons gone
drifting widget
is it just me, or does arms feel dogshit in raids, particularly on progression, with all our damage stacked in the last 35%?