arms

[gentle frigate]

Do you use like a good one that is out there?

[pale glade]

Jundies

[void bay]

I use Plater

And just customise the targetted mob, else leave alone

[pale glade]

https://wago.io/ak3iS95aa

[fading vine]

Is Reverb Radio worth taking to replace either of these two or should I just upgrade another champion piece to heroic? (Also got suspicious energy drink)

[tardy jasper]

When it comes to simming trinkets for M+, is dungeonslice the best option? Or is there a better option to use?

[elfin kindle]

Are you supposed to wait till two sudden death procs untill you start stacking juggernaut, or do you send it asap? Sims apparently send it asap on the first one, later it only sends if juggernaut is about to run out or you have 2 sudden deaths

Or do you send it assp for mark of execution

[dim basalt]

Guides have very clear rules for SD

[gentle frigate]

Whats the difference between expected and best when looking ast drptomizer

[shadow ibex]

Probably an average of all the upgrades for that boss

Idk I don't think it's a relevant number

[rain raptor]

What should I take from vault?

Hero Tier Gloves -> myth Tier gloves
675 crafted embell wep - > myth wep crit mast

[potent creek]

depends if you have access to raid myth track gloves

[rain raptor]

Don’t raid

Keys only

[potent creek]

I would go for gloves then

[sage bison]

Dps warrior wasted slot when the keys are actually challenging. Classes that just do more dmg with more utility

[stray frigate]

guys I always have low overall in specifically ToP, is there a different build for it?

[robust ridge]

Pulls sizes are smaller, there’s a few mini-bosses; you’ll inherently do less

[stray frigate]

that's the issue innit? wondering if there's a build that captalizes on that

[karmic wagon]

nice.

still haven't got any luck with trinkets sadly

[robust ridge]

Don’t think there’s enough value in switching to a more ST focused build. Can check what Crit / Biz / Gucci are running on raiderio if you’re curious

[harsh sedge]

curious is it worth using ravager on cd or holding for avatar in m+?

[tacit crystal]

you hold ravager for cs

unless you have a collat lined up

[harsh sedge]

im very new to the class cs is colossus smash right?

[tacit crystal]

yeah

i just refer to it and warbreaker by it

because of the debuff

[reef glade]

do you have mr smites hammer equipped or something

[sudden fox]

Nah idk what happened

[reef glade]

o he doesnt exist in retail

[sudden fox]

Fixed now lol

[reef glade]

this thing is huge doe

[shadow ibex]

Reap the foe

[hushed pine]

Mr. Smite was in the game during the 20th anniversary tho

[vast drum]

Is Mugzee the only boss that has a massive difference between arms and fury in mythic raid? I main fury but probably gonna learn it at least for that boss

[tacit crystal]

oab

[sturdy matrix]

Anyone have an opinion on fury or arms for One-armed mythic?

[kind thunder]

Is night elf the only race that doesnt have propper execute sound?

[obtuse totem]

Does anyone know how Funhouse lens is being simmed exactly? I was trying to sim it against Signet of the Priory and even though the crit value from the lens is higher than signet's, it has a chance to give me haste which I am basically capped on anyway most of the time in a dungeon

[potent creek]

both buffs

also it's not about funhouse it's more about signet

2 min cd not bueno

[shadow ibex]

I wish 3 min from raid was better

Wtb academy in m+ season

[snow flame]

Mugzee down

[shadow ibex]

gz king

on oab atm finally get to send colossus

[snow flame]

W

enjoy

I played moutain thane bc atm we needed the add dmg

but now the ads die pretty quick

[tacit crystal]

where therpent bud

[snow flame]

https://tenor.com/view/tag-gif-21133325

[tacit crystal]

[brittle fiber]

i play both arms and fury in raid, aside from hands, should i just level up shoulders

[verbal marten]

anyone got a mythic one armed bandit colossus pov

@snow flame

🫣

[snow flame]

flow and weswarr both have povs on twitch

[verbal marten]

ty

[balmy kindle]

mfw when pacemaker H finally drops but its worse than funhouse

[nova marsh]

Just got M pacemaker

Feels good

[balmy kindle]

oh well at least i can cope with the 678 weapon i have this week

[nova marsh]

Dosen't matter yall are playing a better spec then enhance rn

LMAFO

Actually trolling myself so hard

[balmy kindle]

the worse part, its worse than H funhouse even on dungeon slice

[nova marsh]

OOOOF

[balmy kindle]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/hMnkkEKd7QAdhC6YnztVgG

very oof

[verbal marten]

we dont sim dslice

weswarr has this weakaura that tracks winning streak, he says its from atrocity but i have atrocity and it doesnt have that

anyone know this wa

[wintry arch]

Is there a reason to track winning streak?

[verbal marten]

not really

i just wanna see pretty number

[wintry arch]

Oh gotcha. Phew

Thought I was screwing up

[rare kite]

i suppose you can find a niche reason to track it, if at max stacks and a target is extremely low(like extremely low) and it would be a little bit between pulls(like before you jump down in rookery before 3rd boss) it would suck for it to proc

but i am just making up a very very niche scenario, i don't track it myself either

[balmy kindle]

it would appear that H pace is at least equal or on par with H mechano at least

[snow flame]

that is from atrocity

gotta get the pack

[verbal marten]

I got his ui like was it a new update or smth

[nova marsh]

Guys

[snow flame]

with the last update yeah

[nova marsh]

is it bad to want to be good at a game you sunk a decade of your life into?

[verbal marten]

Hmmm ill dl it again

[verbal marten]

Why would that be bad

[nova marsh]

Because looking at my parses is giving me more depression then looking at my LFG invite ratio from DF S3

[verbal marten]

Then work on them

If u saw my stix parse ud cry in my behalf

[nova marsh]

...

I have a 96 on stix on my shammy

I'm not joking it's hilarious

[verbal marten]

I have a 0

[nova marsh]

Well not in mythic so it dosen't matter but still neat

FUCKING OOF

HOLLYYY

[verbal marten]

Idk i think im goated

lmfaoooo

[nova marsh]

Biggest oof of my life

[tacit crystal]

me when i fumble a rank 1

[potent creek]

pog

[nova marsh]

jugg?

[tacit crystal]

yarp

[nova marsh]

Fuck me id throw my keyboard

[unreal sparrow]

typically how long on warbreaker cooldown remaining do you send your collateral vs holding it?

[minor gust]

no hard rule typically sub 10 seconds

[unreal sparrow]

cool ty

[prime bramble]

decent run to get my resil 13

[stable fiber]

@tacit crystal MY DK IS MASSIVE

i swear

667 ilvl now, only think i really need is a house of cards, i got a funhouse lens though

its decently close to my arms warrior sim now on st

[tacit crystal]

huge

btw

play pestilence

it sims turbo higher

[minor gust]

I hate how much dmg my 658 ret does in keys

[balmy kindle]

Sent Mm hunter doing insane damage with 3 keys

[tacit crystal]

man i griefed the bosses

zz

z

[minor gust]

I improved my sprocket parse tonight even if only a lil

[tacit crystal]

im bad at the game

[minor gust]

I love this rng aids infested spec

[tacit crystal]

bro the coc

we didnt get a last intermission

vexie

we didnt get 2nd intermission

only 3 avatars

zzz

[minor gust]

with our grp I dont think its possible for me to get a good Stix parse as arms so ima just give up

doesnt really matter cuz no all star points atleast

[tacit crystal]

be me showing up to sprocket blind

because i was running around on my wl last week

:3

[minor gust]

its alright just hit boss pop mine when WA says too and dont touch opposite color

ez gg

[tacit crystal]

it legit just looks like swap sides take gate

and pops

[swift crown]

Some cringe you can do for uptime

But yea

[stable fiber]

been playing this

assume only aoe

[tacit crystal]

yeah i was very wrong

[naive sage]

Don’t add
Don’t add the letter K at the end of the word coc
Worst mistake of my life

[sacred zodiac]

Cast on crit

[gusty birch]

Should i even consider the weapon?

[balmy kindle]

Tough, ask the robot

But weapon 675 > 678 on dawn/ duskthread is like 0.3%(for me )

[silk spade]

YEP COC

[swift crown]

Tomorrow Last Epoch

pogging out

[elfin kindle]

Can you show me where?

[dim basalt]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/warrior/arms/rotation-cooldowns-pve-dps

[blissful tree]

bracers with socket. i already own pacemaker hc. lets see what the sim suggest

[quaint otter]

Why would u take wrists over trinket

[untold trench]

I would take mythic Trinky

Wrists are either embellishment slot or engi wrist slot, in my mind

[slow saddle]

Facts

[molten marsh]

is there a good way to see something like average downtime between gcds in combat in logs? im missing lots of casts per min compared to better warriors throughout a duneon

and the haste/trash uptime isnt that different i think

[blissful tree]

i included upgrates with my weekly 90 crests and this is the outcome. but i guess i should not upgrate hc stuff.
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/syWYpJzdhG6czcybeXoTpo

[hasty gazelle]

i might've missed this in the dps-faq but if i'm like 100% M+ content only, what settings should i choose in raidbots to sim bis gear?

[molten marsh]

i think dungeon slice is popular

[untold trench]

I would do a ST 5min sim, a 5t 5 min sim and a 10t 5min sim.
Then based on what the group needs the most, I would aim towards that info point

[elfin kindle]

Where does it answer my question?

[bright scarab]

Can someone help clarify for me real quick on the priority of the rotation? Basically from my understanding:

3 stacks of Marked for Execute
2 stacks of Sudden Death
Overpower proc
Mortal Strike
Normal Overpower

And that's it? Rend will reapply/refresh on its own? When we use Colossus Smash, that's our burst window, so what are we trying to burst in it? A lot of "empowered" Executes and Overpowers? Do we ever want to use Bladestorm in a Colossus Smash window? This is all for ST btw

[dim basalt]

It tells you exactly when to use SD?

What the sim does does not matter at all, mathematically speaking

[elfin kindle]

I mean i see what it says, but doesnt specifically answer my question

[dim basalt]

It literally does

[elfin kindle]

Okay, can you answer it for me please?

[dim basalt]

You forgot jugg almost falling off, and you have to apply rend yourself until exe phase

You try to pair BS with colossus smash if possible, otherwise just send

[thick kelp]

cds on cd

[dim basalt]

@elfin kindle

Even if it mattered, that would be minmaxing of prob just a few hundred dps lol

[bright scarab]

Oh ok thanks. I was doing on training dummy so rend was reapplying, probably because I was in execute phase. In our burst windows of CS, do we just fit in as many empowered Executes and Overpowers as we can? Do we use Bladestorm inside of it?

[dim basalt]

You play your normal rotation during CS

Nothing special about it

So basically just what you listed

[bright scarab]

Oh ok. And the priority is correct? Basically hard hitting Executes and Overpowers

We don't use Avatar before Roar ever?

Use Avatar for maximum hard Executes and Overpowers?

[dim basalt]

I mean you press exe and op when youre supposed to

[bright scarab]

Yeah

With the priority above

[dim basalt]

and roar before avatar yeah

The initial damage of roar doesnt matter

[bright scarab]

Roar to Avatar to CS to MS to Bladestorm to priority

[dim basalt]

yus

[bright scarab]

Ok thanks, I'm still trying to understand

[thick kelp]

cds on cd

[dim basalt]

During Sprocket prog yesterday I had a few pulls where I was getting into execute with 2.4M+ dps

Full stacked jugg from the start

But no kill

[minor gust]

https://tenor.com/view/maxmoefoe-c-ds-rofl-rolling-gif-5074705

[dim basalt]

The fact it happened a few times is crazy

I feel like the SD chance is doubled on that fight

[elfin kindle]

Okay but what is it? If you say its written and i dont see/understand it

[dim basalt]

Mate, just press exe according to the guide

There is nothing more to it

[fresh spire]

My whole sprocket prog consisted on dropping jug 2% before execute

[minor gust]

my hatred for slayer arms grows with every day of prog

[fresh spire]

I've stopped watching weakaura.

Play battlelord on non important bosses

[minor gust]

surely surely surely 11.2 will fix these issues

[magic canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/darla-tap-aquarium-why-are-you-sleeping-finding-nemo-gif-9474276

[dim basalt]

We are at like 75 pulls now and can get somewhat consistently to like 25%

Feel like we could be faster tho

First 90 minutes yesterday were just reprogging the first 40 pulls lol

Boss still fun

[fresh spire]

Sprocket fun but also shit boss

Ranged dps held us hostage for way to long

[dim basalt]

Kinda the case here too

[minor gust]

I think its a great boss but was very upseting how many pulls it took us to kill

[dim basalt]

But tbf the boss is shit for ranged

[minor gust]

like 140 something pulls for that boss is absurd

[dim basalt]

We really dont do anything

[swift crown]

That boss is really not shit for ranged

[minor gust]

exactly the same for us

[swift crown]

That's cope on the highest level

[dim basalt]

Why do they struggle so much then

[minor gust]

ranged only has 1 job

bait drills

[swift crown]

Shit playa

[dim basalt]

Seems to be a shared experience

[minor gust]

which a WA tells them exactly when to do that

[swift crown]

The only 'hard' part of Lockenstock is getting some of the ranged to realize they will be picked for far mines more often than not

Namely Hunters/Mages

Rest is ez

[dim basalt]

Cant wait to see the first void balls, surely our fire mages wont ignore them and actually dodge

How many pulls does bandit take at this point?

[swift crown]

After nerfs probably about as many as it took guilds a few weeks ago

So anywhere from 120-160 on average probably

[dim basalt]

Im already miserable thinking about it

[swift crown]

The sooner people realize the only thing that matters is Assistants

The sooner you kill the boss

[fresh spire]

Think sprocket was my guilds worst pull count on a boss historicallt

Way to much

[swift crown]

The guild skill curve is really funny

Lockenstock going from a close to 100 pull boss pre-nerf to a 50 puller post-nerf to then creep back up to 100

[hearty seal]

Damn those hard choices 😦
Can someone advise me on what should I pick?
I already have a heroic pacemaker and my second trinket is trash (toxin). I prefer doing big numbers in raid rather than m+ even though I don’t have time for mythic for now.
Should I consider viscera or lock n stock? Or hope for card/keszhan from heroic and pick pacemaker (bc I probably won’t see it anymore 😅)

[calm hollow]

killing bandit was so worth it

finally got loot from 1st 2 bosses

[teal marsh]

Jester heroic or myth gloves?

[teal marsh]

The difference from HC to mythic track pacemaker is not good, but the rest of your options aren't either. try to sim it with everything maxed out, see what to computer thinks.

[calm hollow]

i wouldnt think twice between hero and myth track items

(only exception is very rare items)

[hearty seal]

32 dedicated CPU cores are thinking about the helmet 🙂

[calm hollow]

you will see helmet in every other vault, chances you will see pacemaker are close to zero

short term head, long term trinket

[strange perch]

Classic blizz. The only solution is to kill only bosses that you need. In order to forcefully reduce the loot-pool. If that even works ofc.

[restive creek]

this, and even short term the difference is pretty small

[thick kelp]

killing X boss in raid unlocks all previous bosses in vault

[strange perch]

Its over

[restive creek]

then you would have chaos in guilds some want bosses 1-2 some 5-6 etc

[thick kelp]

in VoTi alot of top guilds skipped killing Terros on their split alts cuz of its bad loot

so they never saw terros loot in vault

since the vault back then only gave items of bosses that u killed

but then they changed it cuz of this

[strange perch]

Would be based

[restive creek]

I'd love an item in vault that can upgrade your track once per week

That would basically remove shitty vaults

[teal marsh]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/cJXeK1YQKx8ZG97hyqPRWs

[elfin kindle]

Ye, when?

[teal marsh]

But the mythic signet is not that good for me. and Like you said the gloves will be there next week. or the week after.

[calm hollow]

only reason i would take myth hands, is because soon we will have dinar for the jastor

else jastor is better imo

btw you simmed jastor without gems

[teal marsh]

thanks! I thought only trinkets will be with dinars.

[calm hollow]

oh and it has avo too

now thats not a bad ring tho

[undone aurora]

When it comes to stat prio like for example I know crit is super important on arms but is there a cap? A number specifically I should aim for or is it just physically get as much crit as possible

I can’t see anything specifying on the wowhead

[calm hollow]

we dont know yet, but since in SL and DF we could pick any item, you can assume the same now

[teal marsh]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/4JgY8zwAVhRPtntUX9Jyzr Added the gems and it's a different game. thank you sir

[calm hollow]

yea jastor is a nice pick most of the time

np mate

[weak wave]

Is there any data how much of a dmg boost the corruptions will be?

[thick kelp]

2% at best

[weak wave]

And how long does it take me to get those?

[thick kelp]

shrugeg

[weak wave]

I mean is this a Quest? Or do I have to grind for hours?

[tacit crystal]

we dont know

🙂

[thick kelp]

There is a questline to unlock horrific visions

and running those visions grants you currency

which can be used to buy the enchant

[fresh spire]

They are cheap

You get quite alot of fragments from 1 full clear

[weak wave]

Okay thanks

[naive sage]

You have to sim and the sim will tell you what you need.

[undone aurora]

Is this simming different to raidbots/simc?

[naive sage]

Stat prio is not reliable

Just go top gear in raid bots

[undone aurora]

Ah fair, I do that anyway when switching gear sets it’s more just I main fury and I wanna gear up arms for doing +12s a bit smoother

So it was more for like me looking for crit gear and stuff rather than mastery

I mainly have fury bis rn not arms

[quaint otter]

Crit mastery is fine

[crimson hollow]

hello guys, quick question, i have myth pacemaker and hero funhouse lens, is there better setup of trinket if im not going raid at all for what i should aim for? also what about stats for m+? without flask i have curently 30%crit, 23%haste and 32% mastery, should i change something? i have lot of hero rings so i can move stats rly easily.

[keen bronze]

Boy I can’t wait for the corruption vendor this week to buy my BiS corruptions! Wait what do you mean he’s not selling haste or mastery 3 this week?

[quaint otter]

Looks fine try simmin more crit heavy rings tho

[minor gust]

oh boy I love legion cant wait to buy my legendary now that ive farmed this currency. Wait what do you mean its still random and I gotta keep fishing for my BIS lego

[crimson hollow]

ty

[stray frigate]

besides seafourim which trinket is good from dungeons?

[thick kelp]

thats it

[quaint otter]

Signet if u have nothing else

[magic canopy]

i got an energy drink it seems decent

but god i need an active trinket still

[minor gust]

Damn you stil dont have a house of cards

thats cray

[quaint otter]

Ye i run pacem with drink too

[glossy tusk]

I got a champion funhouse this week😎

[eager sigil]

hero funhouse enjoyer

[sacred zodiac]

Madox noob accusations

[magic canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/can-we-tempt-you-can-i-tempt-you-tempt-cat-cat-gif-cat-gif-15432872057513694522

[harsh sedge]

is it worth using shattering throw in rookery?

[magic canopy]

no

[minor gust]

Wrecking throw will prob be worth next patch

[magic canopy]

im almost 3.3

just 1 more 15

[sacred zodiac]

Tempted

[sacred zodiac]

Such a good vid

[magic canopy]

okay i go bed gn

[halcyon valve]

Lmfao

[hexed snow]

Khanz weekly vault check:

[chilly copper]

Eye of Kezan probably

[dim basalt]

I havent had a single bad vault yet

Surely the next ones will be good too

[eager sigil]

took socket today so i can craft

[dark elm]

during cleaver raid moments do you guys use whirlwind at all or how do I cleave those?

[hexed snow]

Big Red Button detected

https://tenor.com/view/peter-griffin-push-gif-14610899

[fervent urchin]

Guys, if we reflect Arcing Void from the big adds in The Rookery before the 2nd boss, do teammates take dmg that are in the circle?

[magic canopy]

yes

always want to take it out still

[sacred zodiac]

Brb angle

[sacred zodiac]

Brb angle

[magic canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-chuni-sleep-gif-20108376

[sacred zodiac]

https://tenor.com/view/rat-wonder-pets-cute-rats-gif-18238949228054261381

[rose socket]

Hi everyone, I have a question about which trinket to choose. My trinkets are House of Cards (Heroic) and Remnant of Darkness (Mythic), and in the vault I was given the option to choose Signet of the Priory (Mythic). Should I choose it, or is it not worth it? (As far as I know, House of Cards is one of the best trinkets even at a lower rank, so I haven't thought about switching that one.)

[sacred zodiac]

Did you sim it

[crude pendant]

haven't played in 6-8 months. is arms fine for M+ now?

[sacred zodiac]

Remnant is poop tho but id not replace it with another on use, better off farming a pacemaker

[halcyon breach]

Yes

It's not meta but it's still good

[sacred zodiac]

Not Meta but not Terrible either

[crude pendant]

compared to fury?

[halcyon breach]

Better than Fury

Arguably anyway

[crude pendant]

great, i'll check it out thanks guys

always been a fan

[manic egret]

4th whole spark available today?

[rose socket]

thats what i was thinking about but wasnt sure enough, thx

[alpine glade]

do you think it will proc both damage from mister lock n stalk ?

[sacred zodiac]

No

[alpine glade]

sad

[icy mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/sleepy-sleepy-fox-fox-tired-cuddle-gif-27183922

[sacred zodiac]

[supple sluice]

Arms a lot better for m+ then fury?

[gray herald]

y

[quasi torrent]

would love to always log out in aoe mode to force this

[simple wren]

can you draw any conclusions from your m+ parses?

[strange perch]

Yeah

[teal fossil]

That you uploaded a m+ log

[simple wren]

haha

i've never done that myself

unless r.io does it automatically for me 😮

[naive breach]

ok i need maximum brain capacity

where is @thick kelp

with dinars coming etc. 678 weapon, hero track mechanocore, or socket

[thick kelp]

idk

any context

[naive breach]

like sims aside

im thinking what to pick long term

dinar -> weapon anyways

[thick kelp]

could be dinar -> jastor yk

[void bay]

Open vault, Turn mouse upside down, close eyes, click

[naive breach]

[thick kelp]

but its hard to give opinion without any context

like what u do what u have

[naive breach]

funhouse and mechanocore champ track and 675 craft weapon

[slow saddle]

I reckon jastor + bis will be my choice

[naive breach]

like simwise mechanocore and weapon are pretty much equal in ST rn for me

[thick kelp]

I would prolly grab the mechanocore

[naive breach]

if you swap funhouse for house of cards

via dinar

[thick kelp]

eventually yes

[naive breach]

we dont know how many dinars you get or do we

i live on the moon

[thick kelp]

nop

[fresh spire]

Eepy

[strange perch]

.

[fresh spire]

.

[slow saddle]

I doubt more than 2

[dark elm]

anyone please

[naive sage]

Remove whirlwind from your bars

[dark elm]

[latent moss]

you dont do aoe unless u commit half your talent tree to aoe

welcome to arms

[void bay]

https://tenor.com/view/jay-cutler-bodybuilder-arms-gif-21575171

[quasi torrent]

ww crazy ability

last xpac dmg

[latent moss]

ip last xpac shield

[naive sage]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148898720803586048/1334433704579305502/Wow_fQxLTuFkGz.gif

[prime bramble]

https://tenor.com/view/armswarrior-warrior-warriorwow-armswow-armswarriorwow-gif-27099127

[icy mulch]

Lately, always.

[fresh spire]

Same

https://tenor.com/view/sleepy-cat-sleep-cat-gif-1833006167751974340

[quasi torrent]

legs warrior

[halcyon breach]

2 uses on 8 mobs with CDs -> 600k damage

potent ability

[vivid topaz]

been thinking but simming more with this than with the circlet

[quasi torrent]

love how its worse than slam

[pliant gorge]

Why do guides say haste is our best stat, while sims value crit way above all else, even though I already have 25k crit and only 12k haste? 🙃

[teal fossil]

Because guides are general

Sims are for your specific char

[naive breach]

@thick kelp i hate raidbots

i wish it wouldnt exist

[sacred zodiac]

@thick kelp

[naive breach]

ping him again spongie

[muted tree]

bois why isnt signet good for arms?

realy like it got its hero track and im sad i cant equip it casue of HoC

[naive breach]

priory trinket or

[muted tree]

house of card normal

[naive breach]

ye but signet is priory trinket

or am i mistaken

[muted tree]

yep

[nova marsh]

It is and also

[muted tree]

it is

[nova marsh]

because it's 2 minutes

dosen't align with ur shit

[naive breach]

cuz one aligns with avatar and the other doesnt

[nova marsh]

So you either have to hold it to align with next ava or send it with weaker cds

[muted tree]

thats true... sad

[nova marsh]

I'd say im surprised it's listed as one of ur guys's best trinkets but it's really not shocking when half of the trinkets this season are hot garbage

[naive breach]

your boy sitting herer

having to decide if 2x champion track delve trinkets with 678 weapon or crafted with 1 hero track delve trinket

[gray herald]

where is it listed as one of our best trinkets?

i dont think it is

[sacred zodiac]

Noxxic

[sacred zodiac]

Ok but where

[gray herald]

i cant believe i never looked there!

noxxic goated

[naive breach]

wtf is noxxic

[gray herald]

another 'guide' alternative site that was quite popular 10+ years ago

i think it's just ai generated slop now

[naive breach]

toxxic

[teal fossil]

Noxxic goated

[grand idol]

I guess other classes use generic tier lists for trinkets but like, we have the technology. You can within minutes get a 10k iteration sample of any item in the game.

Multiple at a time even. You don't have to guess.

[sacred zodiac]

No other class does that lol

Aug maybe

[grand idol]

Idk man, I chose a random class and spec and get hit with a tier list.

(fire mage)

[gray herald]

yeah but those are based on sims

no point simming your freshly dinged 590 character for a good trinket and farming that

look and see "ooh priory is s+ i'll focus on that"

[grand idol]

Sims for the character profile they used, yes.

Thats my point

[gray herald]

just a much more digestible format

yeah ofc

[shadow ibex]

everything u say in a class discord must be 1000% correct

[gray herald]

but it's still useful?

[grand idol]

We have the tech, it doesnt need to be guessed.

[shadow ibex]

or u die

[olive nest]

Better to farm/obtain the identified best trinkets/weapon/crafts and build the rest of your gear around that imo

[slow saddle]

i miss jugger ST build arms in keys

with season 3

set

for slapper

[shadow ibex]

no thanks

[slow saddle]

as an option i do

[gray herald]

crazy to waste time simming a poo geared alt when you can see "bis" trinkets all on one page

[naive breach]

your boy went into the future and simmed BiS+heroic mechanocore vs 678 weapon and myth house of cards

[gray herald]

those are very likely the trinkets you'll want

[slow saddle]

when i just wanna do meme keys

[naive breach]

we have the technology

[olive nest]

Jug was fun for a bit but i have come to enjoy cleave piping quite a lot

Ideal world for me would be cleave and Dreadnaught pumping similar overall

Ms/exe piping on bosses

Make it happen bliz!

[shadow ibex]

i dont like cleave

because u just mash it

doesnt feel like theres any design here

for aoe you can just go down list of cleave MS OP

and you'll operate well enough to do all 10s

[teal fossil]

Dn needs to go to 8

[shadow ibex]

hit demo when thing light up

[olive nest]

Dn is sick!

[shadow ibex]

rather DN be a capstone

and do something

[olive nest]

cleave makes your next overpower (pipe big damage text here) if Dreadnaught is talented

[grand idol]

"cleave makes your next overpower cast cleave"

[olive nest]

Lmao

[naive breach]

mortal strikes cleaves to all targets in a cone in front of you. deal increased damage above 8 targets

i kinda miss executie tho

[prime bramble]

Would be nice if they just reverted the execute nerf

Arms overall feels great atm imo

[shadow ibex]

jug feels like dog ass in raid

[prime bramble]

Just waiting for legion remix to get the real juggernaut back

[quasi torrent]

thinking legion remix will not just have retail talents with dogshit gems doing all ur damage

[shadow ibex]

legion remix is just gonna be like mop remix only our weapon or w/e is your cloak

i think expecting anything like the gameplay of it is a pipe dream

i didnt play mop remix but i dont think mop fury was back with heroic strike and raging blow charges reliant on enrage proc

[teal fossil]

Another day

Another person wanting legion execute back

I need a gif for that

[shadow ibex]

that video set this class back

20 years

it was like the burning of the library of Alexandria

only the warrior is burning because hes enraged

[naive breach]

[olive nest]

The video makes it hype but anybody who played it knows how bad it was

[shadow ibex]

just really need one of them to raid as slayer for like 2 weeks

to pick up on all the fuck shit

[olive nest]

And also I imagine legion remix will mostly be a copy paste of mop remix but in the legion zones with legion collectibles

Lesson learned last time, abuse the hyper spawn tech asap

[shadow ibex]

i guess i missed out on some cosmetics from the mop remix

but then again i never see them out in the world on players

so were they that awesome

https://tenor.com/view/taps-if-you-say-so-gif-9803186

[olive nest]

They lose the value as soon as it’s easily obtainable for everyone

Kind of how that works

[shadow ibex]

ignorance is bliss baby

[olive nest]

That’s why “legendaries” don’t feel legendary anymore

[shadow ibex]

i dont agree with that

i think fyrak could have felt legendary

[olive nest]

It was basically another cantrip weapon with orange text

[shadow ibex]

getting it was probably worst experience as plate dps raider ive had

[olive nest]

Because everyone got one

[shadow ibex]

im ok with everyone getting 1 not ok with the method

but i also think the on use was a little lack luster. the eating of the debuffs to boost dmg was alright

[olive nest]

I mean yeah acquisition sucked ass we all agree on that

[shadow ibex]

the animation however was very bad

and the root was awkward if we wanna be super generous

[olive nest]

I’m personally in favor of determined acquisition gated behind a painfully long grind

That way it feels legendary to have it

Because the lazy will never do it

[shadow ibex]

a lot of ppl had shadowmourne i think its still cool

but its effect was cool and it had a story

[olive nest]

Right! It was a painfully long grind to obtain it but anyone could do it

[shadow ibex]

idt anyone expected fyrak to be the final boss and his weapon was never a big deal

[olive nest]

Those are the best legendary items imo

I don’t think guilds should have to share “one” of them either

That was the bad part of shadowmourne imo

[shadow ibex]

the axe felt like it came out of nowhere if we were after him all expac and his weapon was a big deal back in vaults maybe axe coulda bee really cool

but it was like one day we got wowhead datamining and its oh shit there's a legendary

and on top of after doing some RNG bullshit in abberus too

[olive nest]

Imagine down ranking yourself into a worse guild so you could guarantee being the best melee so that they naturally choose to give you shadowmourne

[shadow ibex]

yea thats pretty

ugly

how long did it take to get shadowmourne?

and how long was average 25man heroic prog

is it like CE prog time?

idk how long ur expected to be in ar aid with like 16 bosses

would you have heroic 25man lich king dead before you finish craft?

[olive nest]

Multiple weeks for one step of the quest for example

[shadow ibex]

if its a case of the content is over like a month before you finish the first one

[olive nest]

Honestly I don’t remember a lot about wrath I was young but I know it took literally months to finish shadowmourne lol

Well for the average person

Maybe some speed ran it or whatever

[shadow ibex]

what about wrath classic or w/e the fuck

[olive nest]

Or got lucky

I still have the unfinished shadowmourne in my bags never got past the blood boss step (started the quest chain in WoD iirc)

Where people have to spread the bites or whatever

[shadow ibex]

i did it during cata when i started playing i was mad casual

back when ppl used to use that website to form grps for achivement runs lol

that is the wow im nostalgic for lmao

[olive nest]

Cata was a blast that’s when I really started to get into the game

[shadow ibex]

yea

i played a bit in tbc as a kid and then in like MS started back a lil after cata launched

i walked into SW saw this prot warrior on a proto drake and it fuckin blew my mind

so i rolled prot warrior and made it my goal to get a proto drake

[olive nest]

Hell yeah!! I miss that time

[shadow ibex]

i had never seen a fuckin mount like that in my life in any video game i was like what the fuck is this

they absolutely cooked when they made the proto drake rig

the model is w/e but the actual rig of the big ass wings on the ground and all their animations whoever made that shit

[olive nest]

Back when standing in town on the TLPD was badass!

[shadow ibex]

they fuckin cooked man

i thought the /mountspecial was the best thing ever

[olive nest]

My first protodrake was the blue one from the dungeon

Didn’t even know I could get it at the time so it was a hype moment for me

[shadow ibex]

i got the ulduar achivement 1

had to use some website to look up groups for it and put some code in ur btag announcement or something and add people

didnt have lfg tool back then

then i did the same for the icc skeleton dragon

[olive nest]

Good times good times

[shadow ibex]

i played a ton cuz i was in like ms/hs but was p casual. prot war was p simple

you got to 102.something combined block parry and dodge so you always at least blocked every attack

so shield block didnt even matter

it was a good tank for someone who didnt know shit about shit like me

[olive nest]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/740638085796069408/1019745149791776768/clicker.gif?width=582&height=112

[digital sky]

Guys do you know if we ever replace the cyrce ring ? i got the 2nd boss mythic ring

[olive nest]

Depends when the sim tells you to replace it

I got jastor diamond yesterday and now my sim tells me to replace it in some scenarios

[digital sky]

it say its an upgrade but idk every guide say cyrce is bis

[shadow ibex]

gotta sim urself

[olive nest]

It’s a hard item to replace it depends on your gear so just sim and trust the robot

[shadow ibex]

thats too real man

i went dps warrior in dragon soul

idk how i played arms and fury clicking stuff

what the fuck was i doing

the funny thing is i somehow found myself to the stance dance macros for arms but wasnt smart enough to not click shit

[olive nest]

Literally would have refused to play warrior without automatic stance swapping with the macros

Imagine if that didn’t work

[shadow ibex]

i think mop stances were the best iteration

but also cuz u had infinite rage during berserker

RN its just whatever spec stance + dstance

[harsh sedge]

as colossus do i only want to demolish on 10 stacks or use it on cd

[prime bramble]

You want 10 stacks

But also don't want to hold forever

If you can't get stacks quickly or prestack you can just send it and get it on cd

[harsh sedge]

okay i was thinkin sometimes in st i struggle to get up stacks so i send it on around 6 stacks and have 10 stacks for when it comes back up

[real iron]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/1DTv29JFLb1Gr6tbogfweX is this ok ?

[prime bramble]

Okay for what?

Its a single target sim for m+ build

Compare against 5 target and dungeon slice

But gear and talents seem fine

[slow saddle]

Its a fine sim as well

[real birch]

I took the Eye out of the vault and replaced my Flood trinket with it. should be 0.6% better. But in Raid I deal soooooo much less dps overall (?) am I just stewpid or is it just good in sims

[sacred zodiac]

if your fight length is equal or longer than the sim it does that dam or better

[slow saddle]

Also overall as in what per boss or with trash? Hc?

[naive sage]

Good times

I began playing on private servers wotlk like many others. Then the server went on to cataclysm and that’s the story how I fell in love with this disabled spec

[slow saddle]

Was in cata ( not private kek)

Tbh

[real birch]

Ty. Ofc I didnt thought about this when entering HC to check the trinket 😂

[slow saddle]

Wait a 2nd my warrior journey was black temple and archimonde

Thats when it started

[prime bramble]

Been playing since 3 months after launch on the same warrior

Cant fix the type of stupid I got

[pearl jasper]

Warbreaker animation gets updated next week?

[shadow ibex]

Did they ever even update it

Or just hope we quietly forgot

[pearl jasper]

I thought they said they are removing the ghost weapons and are going to contiune to work on it

or that could be a dream

[shadow ibex]

I remember that post in patch notes for the .5

But I don't think they've shown anything at least

[pearl jasper]

Yeah I dont think its been shown because youll still down the same twirl animation, just getting rid of the levitating ghost weapons

[sturdy wind]

Is there any good videos or writeups for a more advanced guide to m+ like pre stack setups optimal degen cooldown holding for big 20mil+ packs I'm doing 12s and often in the 3-6 a pull 3mil overall dungon and was hoping I could find something a little more advanced to push my DPS a little further.

[sage bison]

any kings got a juggernaut buff tracker WA? the top 5 ones on wagio dont work :<

[covert drift]

Slayer? I usually just use the "when to press execute" one that auto tracks when jugg is about to fall off too

[honest forge]

critcake did a video where he analyzed some guys meadery, that helped me a lot

[sage bison]

ill look into it, tyty

[covert drift]

https://wago.io/9n9GqeQ6-

If you need help changing the default sound it plays, let me know

[sturdy wind]

Thx

[sage bison]

❤️

[magic canopy]

eepy fox

[icy mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/fox-boop-happy-gif-431135646442387035

I saw you were running with my friend QT.

Good stuff.

[astral latch]

Does anyone know how can I remove the thunderclap debuff and anything else other than the Rend one?

[pearl jasper]

you using plater?

[astral latch]

yeah

I've added Rend and Deep Wounds on "Buff Special" tab, and I only want to see those on the mobs

[daring saddle]

Yo, how do i check sim for m+ pls

[pearl jasper]

I think you go into spell list on plater and blacklist the spell

not sure if the debuff for thunder clap comes up as thunder clap though

might need to find its spell ID from wowhead

[astral latch]

ah okay I see, will check! Thank you

[tough tangle]

How do you change this? If it’s not a simple fix I won’t bother but the sound has gotten annoying

[pearl jasper]

sim dungeon slice in raidbots

[daring saddle]

dungeon slice 1 boss?

[pearl jasper]

dungeon slice disables boss option. It sims a dungeon scenario

or you can sim hectic add cleave for 5 targets I think

[daring saddle]

oh ye it does, ty

[supple osprey]

Hey. Do i spam cleave with 2 targets?

[sleek crow]

No

[molten marsh]

hey guys, is there a good way to measure "gcd uptime in combat" for m+ in wcl or something similar? im trying to find where im losing damage and i think im just not hitting my buttons fast enough but wanted to figure otu if it was actualy the case

[mint flint]

Hey, any of you know if mister lock-n-stalk is better in mass destruction or precision blasting mode?

[reef glade]

precision for st and mass for aoe

its not as good on aoe as st but still "ok" enough for aoe compared to other dmg dealing trinks

[boreal remnant]

meadery 16 done BearStrong

[reef glade]

bdk 3m dps

[boreal remnant]

welcome to san'layn bdk

[covert drift]

HOLY SHIT

IT'S A CAN OF OLIVE OIL

How do you play WoW with no arms, brother?

[molten marsh]

grats! also ty for getting that vod review on crits channel was super helpful if im remembering the name right

[boreal remnant]

yep das me :)

[minor gust]

omg Bolvarsdad your famous!

[real iron]

ilvl compared to someone else who maybe has diff stat prio and has more dmg for same sim

[molten marsh]

im his first #1 fan

[boreal remnant]

:o

[reef glade]

bolvarsdad for yellow

[boreal remnant]

pls no I'm bad

[silk spade]

swordish for white

[boreal remnant]

REAL

[eager nexus]

Hewwo how many sparks should we have nawo

[quasi torrent]

6?

[rain hawk]

Hello guys, how do I do a cleave dmg?
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/JwtZCv98fXrbmqjF?fight=last&type=summary

My logs shows that I don't do much with it but I see so much Arms with huge cleaves

[queen star]

Are you tracking Collateral Damage? Because thats where the big cleaves come from

[rain hawk]

How do I use it properly?

I know what talents do but how much things I need to do while it active?

[minor gust]

all your doing is looking for moments to get a collateral in your cds

wether thats prestacking while pulling or building one at the end of a pull

or holding cleave till next WB if its about to be up

[queen star]

yeah try lining it up as good as you can with ravager/CDs/pot/warbreaker + op charges on top are free

[rain hawk]

Thx guys, that's huge help

[queen star]

ravagers a free +50% on top while you have merciless, OP is extra 30% too

[rain hawk]

More thanks guys

[boreal remnant]

4 crafted items

[warped solstice]

3 if you crafted a 2hander

[boreal remnant]

yes

[boreal hawk]

almost fury dps

[languid torrent]

execute with slayer is still execute-execute-overpower-mortal strike - repeat?

[reef glade]

Think 3 exe is ok if you have enough rage but generally yea that

[languid torrent]

yea thats what i figured the op is usually because no rage, but follow up, if i get the MS resets i just prio that

[viral locust]

ayo my mum be proud

garbage kill timer

[terse zephyr]

does sweeping strike apply to demolish and warbreaker?

[halcyon breach]

Warbreaker already applies to every target, demolish sweeps the first 2 hits but not the 3rd aoe hit

[terse zephyr]

ty

[nova marsh]

But bis parse

And the kill time helped that

Hey do yall still use slam

[quasi torrent]

Warbringer targetcap

[quasi torrent]

Yes

slam is certainly better than ww

and much better than being afk

[nova marsh]

Has a lot actually changed with s2 in terms of prio?

[tacit crystal]

opportunist is big damage

[rich ridge]

How u parse as arms on stix?

[minor gust]

good add rng and the rest of your dps in your raid being brain dead

boss doesnt have all star points so kinda a who cares

[sour marsh]

What’s the add on or weak aura critcake uses to show his hits?

[viral locust]

yea true i got extra cd send

in exec

[daring heron]

aintnoway you're watching my crisp vod at 480p

[minor gust]

lmao

[sour marsh]

I cropped a screenshot I’m sorry 😢

[daring heron]

https://justpaste.it/gt98r it's this wa

[sour marsh]

❤️

[nova marsh]

Guys is slayer in M+ still dead too?

[minor gust]

yes

[quasi torrent]

Twitch bitrate be like

twitch is trialing 4k streams

at 11mbps i think

💀

[daring heron]

diabolical

[viral locust]

buy me 4k screen, I watch in 4k with cripsy screen shots

[quasi torrent]

the 1440 ones should be that

[daring heron]

11mbps isnt even rly enough for 1440p

[quasi torrent]

It's like okay if you have high quality av1 encoding

[daring heron]

maybe with some slow av1 encoding settings

ye

i have my 1440p yt stream vods at 17.5mbps

[nova marsh]

Hi crit

Ur 17 flood lowkey makin me wonna try warr as my alt after my enhancer reaches 3k

[quasi torrent]

I'm. sorry to hear that

[tacit crystal]

why would you stop playing enhance

[daring heron]

my 4k vods are very strong

[nova marsh]

....Because I don't wonna be a trick one?

LMAFO

[tacit crystal]

happy valentines day

[daring heron]

u2

[nova marsh]

and warrior is unfortunately my most experienced class

[minor gust]

imagine not playing enhance after stormbringer buffs

making it insane

[nova marsh]

Yes

But you have to pull around SB

[daring heron]

is enhance owning again after those buffs

[nova marsh]

So ur tanks can troll hard

[nova marsh]

Tbh enhance has been fine all season

With totem

[minor gust]

our enhance almost ended a 15 priory at 6 mil overall

[nova marsh]

Now that totem dosen't care too much about the totem it fucks

[daring heron]

sounds like dk numbers

highest i did last week was 5.26m i think

[nova marsh]

SB I'd have to get better at, and I'd also need PI

[minor gust]

enhance totally needed those buffs clearly

[nova marsh]

running SB in priory lowkey seems like a misplay

Totemic just has stupid good uncapped

at least like by comparison

[minor gust]

yeah 5.8mil overall doesnt sound like a misplay buddy

[nova marsh]

idk I'm not good at storm LMAO

I haven't seriously played storm this season outside of rook and some theaters

[tacit crystal]

i dont like pressing totem

so

sb is more fun

[minor gust]

no ones presses totem you just macro it silly

[nova marsh]

To each their own tbh

I like SB more as a playstyle

[tacit crystal]

idc

its aids either way

i also need to do 15s @minor gust

[delicate spire]

is it best to wear all 5 tier pieces or is there one that's not as good as the others?

[tacit crystal]

and 14s

[nova marsh]

Bro yall are so mad about a totem that literally dosen't even matter

[tacit crystal]

i just dont like pressing it

[nova marsh]

You just press for buffs then pretend it's not real

[tacit crystal]

but its fine playing it

[nova marsh]

I mean hey

at least enhance has two good hero trees for keys

Unlike arms lmafo

[minor gust]

both arms hero trees are played

thats better than some specs

[nova marsh]

Slayer for TOP?

[minor gust]

not what I mean

slayer raid coloss M+

some specs are just 1 hero spec for everything

[queen star]

people usually go for chest offpiece i think, theres a good one from meadery, good chest from raid too

[nova marsh]

true true

Eyo

I got an armsy boy in my +12 flood

[spiral coral]

That would be trolling

[minor gust]

I mean if its not a 15+ key you can play anything and its not trolling

[nova marsh]

as long as you actually play it well

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/91325418677743616/1362224125304901692/image.png?ex=68019d94&is=68004c14&hm=e358f9cb71457b0c8d4ce3eb94d874c21561e0409eb5428ca24ce7cda1a7eccc& Fellow arms friend did this in a +12 flood....I was the enhance

woulda been wayyy higher overall if we didn't scuff Mudface

[verbal marten]

@daring heronone armed bandit colossus arms pov when

[west oracle]

Hey everyone, is a neck to craft a good choice after 2hd weapon?. Colossus built, i only do keys

[sour marsh]

Sim it (tm)

Depends on stat weights you need

[west oracle]

Whats a tm?

[sour marsh]

Trademark. Sorry I was making a joke it’s a common phrase. Sim it on raid bots

[west oracle]

Oh ok lol

Ut how u sim crafted items if u dont have them

But*

[minor gust]

top gear

can add any item

[west oracle]

I see thanks a lot

[silent salmon]

So is arms the goto spec in a m+ setting now?

[minor gust]

I mean if your an overall chasing andy sure

but people like Noxiv exists to show it doesnt really matter

[glacial beacon]

Hey guys, I really need some help with my weekly vault. The only thing I got that could be considered an upgrade is [Poleaxe of Somber Fate] myth level. I have charged claymore with ascension. However, whenever i try to sim it always shows it as a downgrade no matter what i do with my other gear. I thought that a myth weapon is always an upgrade over a crafted weapon. is it true ? I only care about m+ damage btw. here are my sim results (10 targets https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/htw2DD7TNxMHkicnt1Yype) (5 targets https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/f2YqVtc9Pi73JnxpvBUd1N) ( single target https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/cK5YagMKpQuaTVAA6HuzJY)

should i take the L and get a socket 😦

[nova marsh]

The diff betweeen max myth and ur asct weap is 3 ilvls

That is just not enough to outweigh asct more then likely

[glacial beacon]

its a socket then 😦

[nova marsh]

In terms of like a raw crafted weapon ye myth track prob wins

But when you add embellishments it's a bit diff

[minor gust]

just doing some slayer M+ dummy hitting out of boredom fucking bladestorm is so laughable what a sad world we live in

[glacial beacon]

@nova marsh thanks for the help

[nova marsh]

Np always happy to help

Even if I don't main arms anymore I do my best

[quartz fox]

probs dumb question but in mythic keys does it really matter on ST to use rend and not jhust thunder clap?? to apply the dot or is that a mix max thingy right there

[minor gust]

very very very minor min max

feel free to be lazy and just use TC

[glacial beacon]

make to so when there is a lot of movement you thunder clap to reapply rend

[verbal marten]

just use tc

thats what i do

[quartz fox]

yea i figured as much, just since im doing 13s keys didnt know if at higher end keys it started to matter lol

[minor gust]

you can look at the tool tips of the intial dmg of rend an TC

very meaningless low number difference

[balmy kindle]

If you are using 678 weapon you need to consider it with dusk/ dawn threads, it should SIM higher compared to ascension at around 70-80% uptime

[fading gale]

Does anyone know why this ability will hit dps for ~13 million on a +12 sometimes? Last boss rookery

[brittle fiber]

is there a reason why fury's performing so well on sprocket?

is arms single target stinky

[minor gust]

idk how this means arms ST is stinky

[glacial beacon]

it is a lot easier to do well with fury on single target

[brittle fiber]

if i see arms and fury even in single target, i call arms single target stinky

just how i roll bozo

[minor gust]

[tacit crystal]

check the amount of parses of fury vs arms on that fight

its mostly fury for prog

which means most arms players havent killed it

[minor gust]

more like theres more people who enjoy fury than arms

like always

nothing new

[tacit crystal]

i think both but arms still does more important damage

do you think i should play colo bl for prog the swap to slayer when about to kill

[minor gust]

Fury still does good exe dmg with VC

[brittle fiber]

im still over complicating arms execution rotation, mine's real stinky

but juggling if i go fury for sprocket prog myself, my stat weight on fury is pretty decent

[minor gust]

both are equal play what your better at will be the best option

[brittle fiber]

im good at arms until execute, i just can't wrap my head around the simplicity of "get 2 execute stacks > send mortal strike, but opportunist

[minor gust]

no need to overthink

you see opportunust press OP

get 2 stacks of EP press MS

[brittle fiber]

wowhead says " Overpower with Opportunist, rage <85, and <2 stacks of Martial Prowess" lower than MS x2 EP prio, but i'm seeing some high logs doing Opp > MS x2 EP

[minor gust]

ignore the rage condition

[brittle fiber]

is rage condition only for ravager?

not that im seeing anyone play ravager slayer anymore

[minor gust]

no just a minor optimization that came out later nothing to do with ravager

will help you have less thinking required

[brittle fiber]

but in terms of min maxing, the rage condition is optimal then?

[minor gust]

Last I heard from Fishy and Walhe prioing OPP is the optimal play but its very minor

If Archi is here he could probably confirm

[tacit crystal]

in the apl on simc it has only for ravager i think

[nova marsh]

Guys

How do 10 man heroic gally LMAFO

[tacit crystal]

do the mechanics?

idk

[brittle fiber]

You get 2 more healers and 5 more dps

[nova marsh]

10 man gally is actually impossible

Because tanks have to run out for second soak

You need nine people for soaks

[tacit crystal]

its probably do able

idk

[minor gust]

will need a apl gamer confirmation then

[nova marsh]

Small group raiding kinda sucks ass

[teal fossil]

need a hekili gamer

[visual fern]

Jugg is very cool mechanic

Please keep it and index heavier into jugg playstyle

[rare kite]

99 stacks!

[minor gust]

wdym isnt rng FUN!

[visual fern]

I had to go into goon cage

To extend that

LMAO

[minor gust]

yeah current slayer arms is killing my love for arms

its very painful

[teal fossil]

could just play fury in raid

arms m+

[rare kite]

that is what i do, will prob play arms on mugzee tho...

[nova marsh]

Jugg is why I rerolled

[tacit crystal]

yeah but fury is so aids

like

idk

[nova marsh]

Fuck that rng fiesta talent

[tacit crystal]

surely i just play uh in raid or something

[rare kite]

idk jugg+cs parry is keeping me out of arms whenever i can in raid

[nova marsh]

Arms as a key alt seems nice

I am not raiding as arms again

[rare kite]

on sarkareth i still remember cs getting parried in execute phase...

[nova marsh]

Fuck that

[rare kite]

surely you cannot relate @visual fern

🙂

[nova marsh]

I still remeber the crash out one of our arms brothers had on magma when cs got parried in exe

[minor gust]

just gotta have a trickster rogue in ur raid and parry isnt real

[hollow wave]

I just wish colossus arms could be as tank as a MT Fury, we are even bigger godammit

[nova marsh]

I did too LMAO

[nova marsh]

Explain

[minor gust]

trickster bug that affects the whole raid and not just the rogue

boss cant parry

[nova marsh]

.....the FUCK

[rare kite]

it's hilarious to me that they put a "can't be parried hero tree" like they know how shit parry is

[nova marsh]

That should just be a thing

[visual fern]

[tacit crystal]

hi garms

[visual fern]

[winged dirge]

Boys for 3 target situations, With Sweeping strikes = MS-> OP -> Cleave..... Without Sweeping Strikes = Cleave -> MS (Rage allowing) -> OP

Correct?

Or does cleave take over at 4 targets?

[minor gust]

with or without SS its Cleave > MS > OP at 3 targets

[winged dirge]

huh I thought the damage gain from cleave > ms wasnt high enough to warrant the cooldown loss on demolish during sweeping strikes with MS hitting 2 targets

(in 3 target situations)

But imma trust cuz I cant find anywhere on either wowhead or icy veins that says something other than cleave > MS on 3+ targets

[soft sigil]

Cleave just does a lot of damage once you hit 3 targets

One against many, seismic reverb are big multipliers and then the slams from fervor + sweeping the slam

[smoky kayak]

you're keeping both on cooldown so the difference is largely cosmetic
you may occasionally go on proc chains which cause one or the other to get delayed, but Cleave has prio because of the raw damage

[cedar meadow]

Quick question is arms ok with full haste mastery gear or does bad dps. Id like to try and switch since pugging as fury feels bad

[minor gust]

thought on this? we are ignoring rage condition right and just sending OPP procs?

[winged dirge]

Thx for good answer friend

[boreal remnant]

Sitting here after sending out guild apps and just having to wait for a week sucks

[smoky kayak]

I'm not entirely sure off the top of my head, would have to look into it

but a lot of those checks tend to be pretty minor optimizations, so I doubt it makes much of an impact either way

[thick kelp]

Ignore rage if bs talent

ravager follows rage

[minor gust]

perfect so I wasnt spreading misinfo good

I like ignoring that rage condition allows for less brain power

see OPP proc just send

[smoky kayak]

Yeah it's already updated in the APL; iirc it was something that got swapped around when figuring out the Ravager vs Bladestorm deal early in the tier
actions.slayer_execute+=/overpower,if=buff.martial_prowess.stack<2&buff.opportunist.up&talent.opportunist&(talent.bladestorm|talent.ravager&rage<85)

I remember there were like 3 versions and we were trying to sort out which one was better with BS, which was better with Rav, and what the best middle ground for either would be

and that's the one that was ultimately settled on

[haughty quail]

In exec phase there an interest to x2 exec and x2 Op before MS ?

[boreal remnant]

I don't have enough coffee in my system to parse that apl line

[smoky kayak]

this part talent.bladestorm|talent.ravager&rage<85

reads like this

• if Bladestorm
• if Ravager & <85 rage