in aoe
#arms
west sequoia
got itm so cleave applies DW and TC applies rend?
rare kite
i only clap. cba with rend, it's such an extremely small gain pressing rend over tc
west sequoia
So do I noit use avatar/WB until demolish is at 10 stacks?
tacit crystal
in st you can send demolish after ava cs or force as cs is ending
in aoe you should be able to get 10 stacks before cs ends
if not force
west sequoia
Sounds good thx u
white storm
is there a sticky on how we sim for m+? or do we just use dungeon slice?
teal fossil
vibe
minor gust
it will be the same with cleave
unborn blaze
it will be the same with cleave
yea good point and they basically do the same damage, excluding situations with cleave buffs
elfin kindle
Are you supposed to wait till two sudden death procs untill you start stacking juggernaut, or do you send it asap? Sims apparently send it asap on the first one, later it only sends if juggernaut is about to run out or you have 2 sudden deaths
Or do you send it assp for mark of execution
unborn blaze
what is this UI element? how do I get it?
naive sage
what is this UI element? how do I get it?
Idk about this effect specifically but you can get something similar by using Mik Scrolling Combat Text
granite raptor
what is this UI element? how do I get it?
Isnt the dmg u dis with last RAWR and cleave?
unborn blaze
yea, it like scrolls abilities
and the dmg they did, but it groups AOE dmg together which is cool
i want it
minor gust
xeph ui weakaura
sage crater
weird question is their any arms guides for mage tower?
nova marsh
Probally not any updated for tww
boreal quartz
weird question is their any arms guides for mage tower?
I redid it recently so i can tell u this
P1 u jump leap first ice
the one without leap u bs or cleave or just kill
Remember he doesnt melee so u can kick into reflect into bolt or whatever to activate 2nd wind
The intermission just play
The orb phase idk dodge
Final phase you have turbo dam anyways so just run far with adds
Worst case ss a hamstring
But the tuning felt MEGA free
Gear doesnt matter - i did it s1 at like 636
sage crater
okay sweet thank @boreal quartz
boreal quartz
Fury one i havent cared to redo but id reckon it remains easy
lone cargo
Hi guys.
Question regarding Arms rotation on ST.( raids).
In case max rage and overpower off cd, do I go for slam or only slam if there is nothing to hit?
(MS off cd/ no exec procs)
golden ibex
Hello fellow warriors! I come seeking your wisdom! Colossus seems to be the go to for m+ as arms, but isn’t slayer bigger ape dmg potential?
manic bear
https://wago.io/ZaoqRVhYX/11
what is this do?
magic canopy
what is this do?
its a little weird doesnt work sometimes but it shows the damage done by like your MS/roar/Demolish ect
condenses it into a weak aura so you can see how much damage a single press does
fun for collat hits/ big demolish setups
manic bear
oh ok. thanks.
btw do we always use demolish on CDs?
mild pier
weird question is their any arms guides for mage tower?
Did it yesterday without cheking anything just to see what it was like and just oneshotted it so yeah I guess it's free af
Didnt even change talents or anything, standard Colossus M+ build
sage crater
@mild pier oh dang okay that is a relief at least
somber lance
Do we send MS in multitarget when out of SS window and cleave is on cd?
or is tclap more dmge
thick kelp
ms unless rends are missing or falling off
sage crater
Any talent swap suggestions for Theater of Pain
was looking for more ST for the boss fights
dull siren
1% wipe this game sucks
L
minor gust
L indeed
misty bridge
what is this UI element? how do I get it?
Xeph WA (damage text above health frame)
dull siren
hi
tacit crystal
how do i play arms tmy
daring heron
i just press buttons
thick kelp
Buttons good
sage crater
the biggest most bonkiest buttons
reef glade
hold 
dull siren
dw there's more pre pull stuff this tier
tacit crystal
Walhe told me to hold CD's for 30seconds on Cauldron
30
dull siren
for good line ups
reef glade
I love pre cding on stix for 30 seconds
reef glade
no thank you
dull siren
Chatting
tacit crystal
@thick kelp why hold 30
reef glade
tacit crystal
magic canopy
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/873282359074627585/1274193280258674749/at...
why smorbsmish awake
why wokge
reef glade
I am a very friendly fellow
thick kelp
<@865605822638063647> why hold 30
You get info once you get CE
magic canopy
I am a very friendly fellow
scarlet imp
Hey friend, i'm new to Arms and still learning, got a little question since the cd's ive got are dont align that well....
Do i hold i.e. Warbreaker for Demolisch or vice versa ?
scarlet imp
@tacit crystal perfect ty friend 🙂
latent moss
<@205978162293768192> what is the cook
dummies prekey
stack cd and colossal might
very useful in some keys
like cinderbrew
rookery
latent moss
dungs where u insta pull
quaint otter
U can even stack collateral
quaint otter
latent moss
if u want to extra tryhard it
u can long sweep blademasters then swap back talents
u can also get pi and shit
quaint otter
Some next level shiet
latent moss
nvm
latent moss
u can long sweep blademasters then swap back talents
no long sweep
im restarted
im so used to cd being its own thing and long sweep being a choice node with soa
quaint otter
latent moss
also u can really minmax cd if u want
by delaying or using ss while gathering
kinda dangerous if tank has low initial aggro
(vdh)
quaint otter
(brew)
latent moss
whats brew
quaint otter
A class that drops kegs and flame breath
quaint otter
U fake
latent moss
the only worse pug tank spec than pwar
idk why pug pwars
cant live melees
u legit press shield block
and never take any damage
flat willow
I got one brewmaster who did the same
But he rolled in and got one shot
Fucking fake spec
quaint otter
Roll is troll button sometimes
spiral coral
Tf is this Brew hate
quaint otter
Ideally u want roll into expell/puri but ur spells get locked cuz of roll
spiral coral
So fun to play lmao
Spin around, get agro, throw alcohol, burn them, kick, repeat.
Stay in red stagger and make your healer sweat
quaint otter
So fun to play lmao
Ye i managed to live like 30 seconds with 3 thugs and chewie pull
quaint otter
Shadowstrike proc enjoy purple numbers all over the screen 
sacred zodiac
execute you hold for cs
What if theres an add that needs to Die within the demolish cast time but cs isnt up yet
Checkmate galio57
latent moss
Checkmate galio57
galaio57
swift crown
Checkmate galio57
Galileo57
magic canopy
use CDs on CD
weak rain
is there any new info on dinar anyway ?
slow badger
how big is the difference from 2x crit embelishment vs ascension with armor banding
(in a raid situation)
quasi torrent
not very
near radish
Hey all, is there a bis race for top level keys with warrior? I see a lot of night elf but also some variations. Is meld really that useful or is it the avoidance they use it for?
sacred zodiac
Meld or dwarf are usually the top two for meld tech/skips or bleed decurse but i dont think theres too much of either in the current season
Pick whatever race you find coolest
quaint otter
Is there a Dinar list on items that would be ideal to get?
Bis/hoc/jastors
empty sluice
Hey all, is there a bis race for top level keys with warrior? I see a lot of nig...
Pick void/blood elf female, best slam animation
quaint otter
Ew
sacred zodiac
Bis/hoc/jastors
Best in house of diamonds
halcyon breach
Best in house of diamonds
quasi torrent
hewwo banezor
halcyon breach
hewwo banezor
hewwo andor
silver mica
mechagnome bis kekw
swift crown
Hewwo Spongie and Blue Spongie
quasi torrent
hewwo andor
wtf andor series s2 soon
sleek crow
It was so unfortunate opening this and seeing that
celest magnet
Dinar loot is not Myth track, only Hero, yeah?
halcyon breach
Dinar loot is not Myth track, only Hero, yeah?
Dinars should go all the way up to max ilvl
Otherwise there'd be little point to them really
And they typically have their own unique track that goes from normal-ish ilvl all the way up to max myth track ilvl
slow saddle
They are myth but limitee
median scroll
imagine if they lock dinars behind running visions
surely they wouldnt do that
mint shell
teal fossil
Prob
median scroll
cant wait for the day we all get dinarrs and then blizzard nerfs jastor and bis into the ground
slow saddle
Dno how good bis actually is
median scroll
probably fine with peacemaker and energy drink
slow saddle
I mean kezans eye is also very steong
So mby go jastor + kezan
If u want it for prog
And have myt track weap
median scroll
tru i forgot kezan because i never get it ever
slow saddle
doesnt really matter if its prog though. dont get parse if boss is alive
Nah but its better in longer figgts
And its power comes in later
So id say its pretty valuable
remote ledge
For people doing rik as arms, do you do anything special outside of pressing sweeping strikes when bombs spawn?
gray herald
tru i forgot kezan because i never get it ever <:keks:936231610850897992>
imagine
silver mica
Why specifically arms?
olive nest
Dropping jug stacks during intermission phases feels bad
steep osprey
Enduring Frost gives you 15% str, increased by each time you crit inside Pillar of Frost
if you crit enough, you can use PoF and enduring together for 45% str
BfA Arms poggies
teal fossil
Dang it’s Tom but rng
fresh spire
steep osprey
Forgot to mention it's Obliterate/Frosctscythe crits
not just any crits
it's very easy to get obliterate to crit every other gcd
so you're always critting it during Pillar
vague ore
a bit of a noob question but how do I know when the tank has agro so I can start hitting the mobs, when I see others do keys they start damaging pretty early while the tank is still pulling more trash but when I try I end up getting agro
gray herald
learn what their abilities look like and what they've pressed
if a dh jumps in without sigil and is going to chain pull 2 packs then they probably wont have much aggro on the first pack until it's grouped
olive nest
In general it’s best to just wait until you can see the mobs all piled around the tank and they’re no longer running
This is usually a short time frame
@fresh spire 87m cleave yesterday!!
vague ore
alright thank you
vague ore
yeah that's what I do when I see I picked up agro but it sucks using a defensive for that
vague ore
think I ll just stick to waiting
keen bronze
a bit of a noob question but how do I know when the tank has agro so I can start...
I duo’d to 3k as an outlaw rogue with a fury warrior pal. Outlaw rogue runs infinite tricks this patch so he never had to worry about ripping threat. So just find a rogue buddy. Or a marksmanship hunter.
hollow plover
a bit of a noob question but how do I know when the tank has agro so I can start...
Noob tanks struggle to get threat, just watch if they are actively attacking the packs while collecting
vague ore
will do, I just feel I lose a lot of damage by starting to hit packs late (also late on might stacks because of it)
hollow plover
I just hit packs early where ive seen the tank use spells to dmg them
Some packs tanks only run through or use warglaive/heroic throw/etc to aggro them - those you cannot touch without using your defensive
vague ore
yeah that makes sense thank you
fresh spire
teal fossil
will do, I just feel I lose a lot of damage by starting to hit packs late (also ...
you can just apply bleeds
As long as you aren’t in cds a tc+cleave shouldn’t rip
gray herald
tc+cleave+red nameplates is my favourite combo
earnest zealot
TC>Cleave>Release spirit, classic
soft viper
for slayer arms do you want the slayer strike stacks before you SD kinda like fury does or do we just send it?
hollow plover
As long as you aren’t in cds a tc+cleave shouldn’t rip
bro probably isnt tracking what makes his cleave a big cleave so he might accidentally send a big cleave
insta red nameplates
rain cipher
+12 Prio. First time exceeding 4 mil dps
thick kelp
mate
nova marsh
+12 Prio. First time exceeding 4 mil dps
Pretty good
dull siren
had to go back for more @thick kelp
thick kelp
Spymaster splits in 2025
dull siren
Selling Mount $$$
thick kelp
xff
nova marsh
Spymaster splits in 2025
Funny because s1 was like 2 months ago
thick kelp
holy
astral latch
This is a yes or no question, are we strong
thick kelp
yes
unreal sparrow
Dps strong or heart strong
astral latch
porque no los dos
teal fossil
Looks bis
dusky osprey
Do I sweeping strike with A Demolish or B Together with cleave and rave for Bonegrinder?
fathom hollow
what is arms aoe cap
quaint otter
5+
slow saddle
what is arms aoe cap
Cleave just cleaves
rigid ravine
probably dumb question but in a giga pack like first pull of cinderbrew and 2nd time I use thunderclap does it prio applying to targets that dont have it yet
shadow ibex
I don't know if we know for sure if it's smart applying or not
So just use sweeping to double the amount of targets tclap applies to
And never think about it again imo
chilly copper
I thought the free slam from cleave hitting multi target was duplicated in SS
teal fossil
It is
chilly copper
That’s a reason to I suppose. Though slam is very minor to consider
teal fossil
Not minor
shadow ibex
Its really only there to make fob work
teal fossil
Collateral damage is a thing
shadow ibex
They really should put collateral under fob
Like old cleave to reaping
I don't think there's a world where you play one without the other
dusky osprey
Do I sweeping strike with A Demolish or B Together with cleave and rave for Bonegrinder?
Ravager*
simple torrent
Is there a list anywhere of what arms' target caps are?
teal fossil
The ability description
simple torrent
Stuff like warbreaker doesn't say tho, I assume that is baseline 20?
teal fossil
Yeah
latent moss
Is there a list anywhere of what arms' target caps are?
cleave softcapped to 5
idk about others ngl
limpid apex
yo any gamers here that have already killed mythic mugzee for a question
reef glade
how bad is it that my stats look like this
not a horrible breakdown, maybe youd like a little more crit and drop some mast but pmuch just sim gear as it comes to see what to put on
vague ore
not a horrible breakdown, maybe youd like a little more crit and drop some mast ...
I just put on the highest ilvl ones I had :I
will try to replace mastery for crit
reef glade
are you familiar with simming
snow flame
yo any gamers here that have already killed mythic mugzee for a question
Got it to 6 percent
What’s up
reef glade
prolly worth to sim the change before doing it see if its actually big
limpid apex
Got it to 6 percent
not sure if its a bug or happens to other people aswell, but in intermission when he charges 3 times, i sometimes land in the boss model when i charge after him and then die
normally charge doesnt get you right into a bosses hitbox, right
snow flame
not sure if its a bug or happens to other people aswell, but in intermission whe...
Yes I’ve died twice to it you can’t charge
Until boss is fully stopped
So once he starts spinning you are good
vague ore
prolly worth to sim the change before doing it see if its actually big
always do
reef glade
nice
limpid apex
So once he starts spinning you are good
i see, ty
hollow wave
Juggernault is such a stupid RNG talent
snow badge
anyone have a good execute window WA im stupid and suck at paying attention to it when i go backj and forth between col and slayer
smoky kayak
I just watch for my Execute button to light up
but you could make a simple WA that tracks enemy health %, below 20% or below 35% w/ Massacre talented
minor gust
I basically use Hrothmars stereo Saiyan WA as my execute window WA when ever I hear the music I know it's go time
grim hull
light dirge
Trinket buffs are interesting, finally we can play with something that does.... Something besides make a number larger for x time
rich ridge
They need to change the animation lock on demolish that shit sucks
light dirge
I like to thin in my head the warrior commits so hard to the swing he basically can't do anything else.
That's my cope 
rich ridge
U got fury swinging two 2 hands with rampage and they don’t get animation locked lol
paper shell
just came back to warr
have they removed
the wide swing animations on sweeping strikes??
halcyon breach
the wide swing animations on sweeping strikes??
It still does this, but only on Execute
(Afaik?)
Idk I don't pay attention to it, but I know it's still in the game
spiral coral
Idk what they’re referring too but it for sure makes a small swirlie around you but it’s barely noticeable
I kinda want big swinging animations that sounds cool
halcyon breach
Execute makes a big frontal sweeping animation if you use it with sweep active
spiral coral
I should go to a dummy and actually pay attention to the animations lol
hollow wave
Thats one point that I hate about retail, there is so much shit going
spiral coral
Now that I’m thinking about it. I’m always thinking about other shit and never really look at my toon doing stuff lol
hollow wave
that you cant even see your animations
spiral coral
Thats one point that I hate about retail, there is so much shit going
That’s like. The most redeeming thing about it.
halcyon breach
Realistically you shouldn't care much either about the animation of your character compared to mechanics going on around you
halcyon breach
agile igloo
Ravager slarms on Mug? Is that what crit is playing?
halcyon breach
Yes
It's less P1 damage but more Execute damage
And Mugzee is primarily Execute damage
paper shell
Idk what they’re referring too but it for sure makes a small swirlie around you ...
you know the sweep attacks, where you swipe the weapon on execute and mortal strike
its cool
my character doesnt do it anymore
;(
halcyon breach
Do you have Massacre talented
paper shell
nah
halcyon breach
Been a while since they changed it, but afaik it's tied to Massacre (or maybe that's just the red visual)
agile igloo
It's less P1 damage but more Execute damage
Noice
tawny badger
how do you play with blademasters torment
what changes from warlords torment
cant really seem to figure it out
do you cancel your cleave to gaint the stacks when you have cds?
sacred zodiac
<:her:1246582680225714236>
minor gust
how do you play with blademasters torment
theres nothing to figure out, dont overthink it just press cleave and press SS before you press ava
granite raptor
mauw mauw muawm uaw
smoky kayak
mauw mauw muawm uaw
gonna say this in the simplest way possible - we've been dealing with a lot of really weird people joining discords lately, so please don't be weird
please and thanks
granite raptor
man i jsut be catting around type shi
ma bad big boss man
ongod i didnt know u swang like tha
manic stirrup
Trinket buffs are interesting, finally we can play with something that does.... ...
trinkets are only deal x damage or gain x stat
any other trinket sucks
quaint otter
Beloved transmitter
smoky kayak
the wide swing animations on sweeping strikes??
Exe and MS do
sage crater
@boreal quartz Thank you for the advice finally got it down
tribal obsidian
do you ever use slam
quasi torrent
you do
shrewd pollen
among warbreaker, avatar, thunderous roar, ravager, demolish, are any of them safe to macro together?
spiral coral
Macros scare me
Can you make like dstance/health pot? That’s the only one I was thinking about doing
halcyon breach
Can yes, should, maybe not
spiral coral
99% of the time I pot then dstance.
halcyon breach
Would never recommend macro'ing multiple defensives together just for the sake of it
spiral coral
Was just thinking about it
halcyon breach
Ideally you'd dstance before needing to pot
spiral coral
Would never recommend macro'ing multiple defensives together just for the sake o...
Okay I’ll stay scared of them lmfaoo
fading basin
Just can't get how ppl have 10mln+ at first pull without stacka from sweep... Charge, clap, Avatar, roar cleave warbreaker demolish and got max 5mln..
spiral coral
Ideally you'd dstance before needing to pot
Yes. Been trying to time them better getting into 12+s
halcyon breach
Macro's are handy but there are times where you're better off just not using them and using stuff seperate
spiral coral
Ty
quasi torrent
i have a macro that whispers Baneziwarr-Ragnaros a catface
sacred zodiac
Weird i whisper him many compliments on mortal strile
fresh spire
frappemortalle
sacred zodiac
M+ would suck
halcyon breach
i have a macro that whispers Baneziwarr-Ragnaros a catface
I have a meow that meows whenever Anda nears me meow
minor gust
Is there a WA that plays music in an execute window?
@dire hinge
dire hinge
Haha kind of
dire hinge
I have one that makes a Sword Ring when 35% gets hit, or a cursed terrible one that plays that execute-meme music if you get PI during execute
One sec
(It’s updated for undermine, ignore the description text saying last raid)
I’m afk or I’d fix it
spiral coral
Haha okay I’ll try it out ty:)
dire hinge
The issue with playing a whole song, like the Lust one, is that execute phase can last for minutes.
The above one is a single 1.5sec sound byte of a Sword making an unsheathing ring to indicate “hey man change your rotation”
west oracle
Is slayer more favorable in keys these days?
flat willow
not really no, even in Theatre which would be the best key to play slayer everyone plays colossus
proud shale
I have a few questions about the arms rotation. Why do we use Thunderous roar before avatar? Wouldn't avatar increase its damage? and if I am using the multi target raid build, say on gally, is there a reason to use cleave over slam in the rotation when there are no adds up?
rare kite
I have a few questions about the arms rotation. Why do we use Thunderous roar be...
initial damage of roar is very low and avatar will buff the dot afterwards. also no, no reason to cleave over slam in st
narrow pond
hi if i have sweeping strikes running will my mortal strikes apply fatality to the other thing im hitting?
proud shale
initial damage of roar is very low and avatar will buff the dot afterwards. also...
Ah okay, makes sense ty
old urchin
First time breaking 4 mil. 13 Priory. Feelsgoodman. Boomkin was getting PI
muted fractal
Wen 8% arms buff
spiral coral
First time breaking 4 mil. 13 Priory. Feelsgoodman. Boomkin was getting PI
Daaaaang
Gj
shrewd pollen
hi i know i should sim it but im not even really in a state to be simming yet - generally speaking, best-in-slots are worse than a higher track weapon yeah?
shadow ibex
yes
near radish
i understand nelf is good for meld, but im seeing a lot of human warriors in top levels of rio - is there a reason for that, stun remove good?
stable fiber
i mean spear is crazy
minor gust
not kinda, they are
vast helm
When 8% arms buff
minor gust
13.3 along with the rework
shadow ibex
rework in .7 patch surely
minor gust
zinc yacht
Yo am I doing something wrong? Watching the latest Critcake video and it seems like one demolish press deals like 100mil dmg, can that be right? Same pull, similar ilvl (667), wb, avatar, demolish I deal a maximum of 40-50mil
boreal remnant
could be yours didn't hit as many targets
boreal remnant
In full cds with pot and all on a big pull like first pull floodgate, definitely possible
(and assuming it crits)
manic stirrup
use hero spec sanlayn
zinc yacht
In full cds with pot and all on a big pull like first pull floodgate, definitely...
Yea did some tests on the 5 target dummies. Full blown cds: first time 9 hits, 1 crit, 25mil. Second try 9 hits, 7 crit, 37mil. Huge difference with crits
manic stirrup
hope this helps :)
manic stirrup
u can remove blood beast and unholy is still good
boreal remnant
cmv: they should nerf blood beasts by 50% and make them spawn when you use DT
no rng and still great
manic stirrup
would literally give you more overall than it currently is in shitty rng situations
but then u have pulls your first hit is a blood beast and your first hit as soon as it dies is another blood beast
nova marsh
Guys genuine question
Why would you pull evrey peacekeeper in motherloade at the start
tacit crystal
disabled
shadow ibex
sub 1% wipe on sproc
nova marsh
Like this tank messed up the lust pull and we wiped to it, then he went to the side, pulled like half the shit that's easily skippable (including the patrolling mech)....then ragequit when he put us in the corner to fight a peacekeeper and we died
shadow ibex
1000% my fault died after going into exe with max jug
nova marsh
Like....????
silk spade
sub 1% wipe on sproc
should've done 1% more damage i think
nova marsh
1000% my fault died after going into exe with max jug
Man bro trolling ur group.
tacit crystal
if i didnt fuck up
me when i fumble rank 1 log
shadow ibex
it woulda been a sexy one
light dirge
is the mechano core trinket good ?
boreal remnant
is the mechano core trinket good ?
Short answer yes, long answer 
shadow ibex
early on when you could craft a week a bit early
shadow ibex
cuz the turn in "bug"
magic canopy
before they added it
snow flame
uh but everyone has their items now so how does this effect the log
boreal quartz
<@653287531038900236> Thank you for the advice finally got it down
Gz
sacred zodiac
uh but everyone has their items now so how does this effect the log
Hitting harder than literally everyone else in the world does affect logs ye
snow flame
Hitting harder than literally everyone else in the world does affect logs ye
doesnt everyone has equal crafts right now?
I havent been keeping track with the bug tech
sacred zodiac
Yes but you still had more crafts in that one specific week
snow flame
that week is this week tho?
sacred zodiac
Guess ppl are flagged forever idk how wclogs handles that
snow flame
intersting oh well good to know I guess lol
zenith lodge
Am I doing something wrong or is ele/mm just cranking big numbers right now in aoe? its from a +13 flood
tacit crystal
1 but you probably held cds at some point and or got out bursted by 2 burst specs
zenith lodge
prob the later I generally dont hold cds unless the pack is at <10%
slow saddle
Also did u time?
zenith lodge
yes
balmy kindle
Am I doing something wrong or is ele/mm just cranking big numbers right now in a...
if you time it doesnt matter
slow saddle
All good then
balmy kindle
2 ranged burst specs vs a melee spec 
zenith lodge
so its just a case of them bursting when I burst?
slow saddle
If u dont time due to lack of dmg or u are significantly lower
balmy kindle
yeah and MM is pretty selfish ( i am alting one) during its burst windows
slow saddle
A lot of shitter mobs in flood
minor gust
arms key rn is all about collateral usage
magic canopy
Yo @smoky kayak just to make sure im not dumb
if you main target something with a damage amp and sweep off it
the second target does not receive that amped damage its got the normal 75% pentalty right?
since i think both hits are individually calced
smoky kayak
the second target does not receive that amped damage its got the normal 75% pent...
correct - if that damage amp is a debuff on the target (or a circumstantial buff, like Vicious Contempt, but only one target is below 35%) it only applies to that target
magic canopy
coo
smoky kayak
didn't always used to be that way, iirc it changed because of Garalon in early MoP (Heart of Fear boss that had cleavable legs which could get major damage taken debuffs)
magic canopy
yeah i was checking some logs and i was 95% sure they were just padding
but i didnt 100% know for sure so i was like eh i ll ask
strange perch
is there any weakaura like the sudden death conditional one but for opportunist during execute phase?
rain cipher
is there any weakaura like the sudden death conditional one but for opportunist ...
Isn’t it always Execute -> Execute -> OP -> MS ?
strange perch
this is what wowhead says
strange perch
Ah okay
strange perch
So MS/BS at 2x EP > Opportunist > Execute?
swift crown
Basically
Well not Opportunist with 2x MP but you'd have to proc Opportunist from your MS and BOTH your Exes for that to come up
strange perch
Yea I meant just send opportunist as long as you dont have 2x EP
then normal overpower as filler when nothing else?
quasi torrent
correct - if that damage amp is a debuff on the target (or a circumstantial buff...
Me when the execute on killcommand talent and kill cleave do not behave like that, but take any external dmg% and spread them
love consistency
kill cleave is just bugged and has been since it was added
smoky kayak
Yeah I mean obv I can’t speak for every single ability in the game, cause the 🍝 is all you can eat
Kinda like how class abilities aren’t supposed to affect outside sources of damage, but they routinely forget to whitelist various things (or sometimes entire classes, lmao)
quasi torrent
Ya warrior works "as intended"
smoky kayak
But that’s the way cleaves are meant to and generally do work
quasi torrent
Kinda like how class abilities aren’t supposed to affect outside sources of dama...
Slayer dmg amp thing in 11.0
smoky kayak
Warriors are better about finding their bugs and bringing them to the right people to get fixed 😉
quasi torrent
is the thane nature amp finally whitelisted properly
reef glade
Warriors are better about finding their bugs and bringing them to the right peop...
maybe they shouldnt be
quasi torrent
not everyone goes on liquid max stream
talks garbage
then types on private discords about how they successfully sandbagged again
:)
minor gust
warlock moment
thick kelp
not everyone goes on liquid max stream
talks garbage
then types on private disco...
Need lore
quasi torrent
there u go
thick kelp
Usual suspects
minor gust
I wonder what he had to do to get all 3 locks specs getting big buffs
minor gust
yeah I saw that thank god
reef glade
warlock b tier spec btw
quasi torrent
cause that spec would've been entirely broken
thick kelp
any buffs to demo is kek
reef glade
Many top logs on many bosses is lock
minor gust
On the day of the buffs I watched Avade just destroy a 17 priory on his demo lock
quasi torrent
tbf coc doesn't matter
But the changes are just odd
affli and destro are still mid-bad on st
While being broken on spreadcleave
but demo still doesn't do anything but stacked aoe/st
its just
wby
smoky kayak
maybe they *shouldnt be*
Eh, the game is generally better when it’s understood and works the way it’s intended to; there’s enough obscure interaction as is
thick kelp
its just
wby
Heard a cooked take that this tuning is targeted purely for m+
(demo and destro own in m+)
smoky kayak
Plus, my experience is that they end up tuning around bugs they don’t know about, then when they do finally realize and fix the beneficial bug, they don’t bother to compensate for the nerf
Leaving us even worse off
quasi torrent
overwhelm bug with ansurek trinket and ring moment
(i had both, unequipped them on patch day gg)
smoky kayak
overwhelm bug with ansurek trinket and ring moment
Onslaught cleaving full damage also comes to mind
quasi torrent
Poor Ons
weak rain
where do I report the "bug" about roar and bs doing 0 dmg?
minor gust
poor every fury talent in the last row
thick kelp
where do I report the "bug" about roar and bs doing 0 dmg?
cant report features
minor gust
.7 patch surely is gonna come with a 150% bladestorm buff
thick kelp
CLuegiDeluxe
minor gust
smoky kayak
I have learned to accept that tuning is a revolving door that you can’t really do too much about
boreal quartz
My name is xeos i will get necrolord nerfed
smoky kayak
We’ll bitch and sometimes get thrown a bone, but ultimately trying to subvert, sandbag, or otherwise sneakily report some bugs and not others to influence tuning that’s going to be random af anyway is just pointless
quasi torrent
My name is xeos i will get necrolord nerfed
good work honestly
smoky kayak
So I’d rather shit just work the way it’s meant to
weak rain
arms rework when, sorry my bad, forgot that shamans and hunters need another one so badly
thick kelp
12.0
fresh spire
13.0
flat willow
it's been almost a month since the last paladin rework
it's about time
50 yards on every ability and autos
warped ether
Melee ranged
fresh spire
real iron
anyone can help me ? can i farm Armagedon mog still in naxxarmas ? im not familiar with the other xpansions. Thanks!
minor gust
A simple google search could help you but yes you can still farm Naxx for tmog
stark kite
Hello, I am curious about including more warriors specifically arms in my m+ comps as I play rogue and I have a few questions. I briefly read the wowhead guide on arms and it says it has moderate AoE multitarget potential. I guess my question is exactly how good is arms in multi target compared to meta classes like boomie or fire mage in its output. In like the first pull of cinderbrew first room, what is an approximate output?
naive sage
Hello, I am curious about including more warriors specifically arms in my m+ com...
Arms has a very good multi target potential. Its main problem tho is the fact that you must choose between big aoe or decent single target. You could use a build with increases st a bit but it falls behind many other specs. First pull cinderbrew you can pull very high dps. For example my warrior is 652 ilvl (I’m maining enha this exp) and I bursted 18m with ease
stark kite
is this sustained damage? I went over the wowhead like I said and all it states is reduced damage beyond 5 or 8 targets so its soft capped, am I understanding that correctly? additionally, what kind of a CD is that output on. like 1.30 2.00 or something else
minor gust
Hello, I am curious about including more warriors specifically arms in my m+ com...
I push with a assass rogue player im usually not that far behind him in aoe and I beat him in ST most of the time
this was a 16 TOP for example
stark kite
top is pretty small target cap though, I think i understand its 5-7 damage profile to be pretty good, just curious in the bigger pulls if it can effectively replace something like a boomie, and if it can, how often can it do that
minor gust
if an arms warrior is able to pre stacks his collateral before a big pull he most certainly will beat out a boomie
we are a 1:30 spec with strong 30 sec cds
stark kite
i see, i play sub rogue so thats pretty perfect
is there any oddity like does it need to / is supported by chain pulling or?
minor gust
arms doesnt need to chain pull to do well
as long as theres not 20+ sec down time between pulls
but if you mostly play sub I presume having a shaman in your grp is prob the highest priority
which arms benefits very well with as well
stark kite
yeah not having a shaman feels horrible, 15% dps loss
silver mica
Assa ST might be the worst ST in the game
minor gust
Idk ele exists
stark kite
how important is the vers buff from druid for you guys
minor gust
It's whatever
It doesn't hurt vers is good for all but we would much rather prio sky fury
stark kite
how important is the monk
minor gust
We only do phys dmg soo it's pretty big but it's not like it's required.
Noxivs grp runs a monk but Critcake grp doesn't
I don't think raid buffs in M+ are a massive deal they are just nice to have and if you can form a comp that can maximize them it's a good bonus but I don't think it's what will make or break high keys
drifting geode
Fairly new ish to wow still mainly doing m+ these are my stats etc are these looking okay? what sort of crit haste mast should i be looing for ? any help appreciated
sterile gazelle
I can't seem to find when overpower takes prio could someone help out?
minor gust
Fairly new ish to wow still mainly doing m+ these are my stats etc are these loo...
If you haven't already you should check out and learn how to sim your character. It will basically answer any gear question you could have but at a general glance your stat breakdown is normal
minor gust
I can't seem to find when overpower takes prio could someone help out?
Any of the guides in here will help you out
spiral coral
Fairly new ish to wow still mainly doing m+ these are my stats etc are these loo...
Looks good to me
honest forge
I was thinking about the big collateral damage cleaves, and thought it would be nice to have overpower stacks for those. But the unhinged talent makes that impossible or at least hard to set up, since it will use the overpower charge on a random mortal strike before you can cleave. Am i overthinking? Everyone seems to be using it, so it can't be that bad
is there an alternative choice here?
daring heron
just send cleaves otherwise you end up losing cleave casts within mbg
honest forge
i was thinking overpower->ravager->warbreaker->cleave
spiral coral
I think it’s haste>crit>mast>vers @drifting geode people used to have these magical numbers to hit but generally warrs like everything
quasi torrent
ravager lasts 6s and sweep lasts 15
me when i have 100% haste
drifting geode
I think it’s haste>crit>mast>vers <@306863346953617409> people used to have thes...
thanks appreciate it
swift crown
I think it’s haste>crit>mast>vers <@306863346953617409> people used to have thes...
The magical numbers have been fake forever
spiral coral
Bro I remember DF them droning on and on about like 30/30/20 or something lol
daring heron
40/40/10/10
uncut shard
spiral coral
^not far off from my 15 min routine everyday
calisthenics is the way
Chris Heria ftw
daring heron
oh the sensodyne rec
spiral coral
If it weren’t for critcake I wouldn’t have done underpin 🙏
daring heron
i still use them too
obtuse copper
wintry scroll
Bro I remember DF them droning on and on about like 30/30/20 or something lol
Droning out bcz of me
limber solar
Anybody know how heroic best in slots sims against a regular myth track wep from the vault? Trying to avoid wasting crests/valorstones.
thick kelp
heroic bis loses vs myth track weapon
limber solar
Ok cool thx
lunar acorn
quick question for m+. do i want to keep 1 point in finishing blows and executioners precision or should i get 2x bloodborne. i mostly play 7 or 10keys not higher most of the time
🙂
teal fossil
2 bloodborne is the easiest way to play the game
thick kelp
no
lunar acorn
aight
naive sage
2 bloodborne is the easiest way to play the game
The only way of getting Bloodborne 2
civic parrot
Hello fellow warriors! Got any tips on how to improve my Arms Warrior in M+?!
Here are my logs: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/cJThfQNvK3zDCP9M?fight=last&type=summary
sullen stirrup
distant sluice
how do you get funhouse lens
woven wasp
It's a delve drop
sacred zodiac
It's a delve drop
Preach my cyan variant
woven wasp
🗣️
limber prairie
does anyone tried Colossus ST for raid?
civic parrot
It's a delve drop
tier 11? 😄
woven wasp
just whatever level (8+)
the best you can loot is a champion version, or a hero version using a map or from the vault
balmy kindle
yes Skyblivion
wanton sierra
hey guys!! i dropped an myth ring, i wonder, when i shall replace my cyrce ring? from siren island
minor gust
when your sim says so
dim basalt
balmy kindle
Q 678 now 
copper summit
that 5$ is worth it lol
shadow ibex
yes Skyblivion
No a real remake
balmy kindle
skyrim engine but imma take it 
void bay
I wasnt even born when oblivion came out
balmy kindle
oblivion will always have a special place and imo better than skyrim
sage bison
is viscera actually a sim trap? O:
sage bison
tyty spongie
slow saddle
oblivion will always have a special place and imo better than skyrim
Same
hexed garden
stupid question but does demolish work with sweeping strikes?
boreal quartz
stupid question but does demolish work with sweeping strikes?
First hits do
hexed garden
nice
slow saddle
Last allready cleaves
livid current
Anyone know why I cant sim this vault weapon agaisnt my current one?
gusty laurel
Does anybody know how to sim AOE as Arms? is Dungeon Slice okay or is it better to sim fx 6 targets 1 min or so for aoe/m+ encounters?
hidden bough
i need help
idk how to sim i guess
eye of kezan is worse than hoc and mister lock n stalk
sacred zodiac
ye can be plausible
most later myth fights are ~7 min you can try simming that it should be an increase
slow saddle
Give cata signet
gentle frigate
Do you guys think eye is worth taking at heroic out of vault?
sacred zodiac
depends on your gear and other choices and your prog ambitions
gentle frigate
I have macho core at max champion level and seafoam at champion
hidden bough
most later myth fights are ~7 min you can try simming that it should be an incre...
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/euN1nQ6HxWtQ9ADRmc2Saj that was a 17k increase lol
21k
sacred zodiac
its kind of technically better than that since OAB mugzee are both fights that are timegated not dpsgated and then you lust in exe
sacred zodiac
its good for m raiding but literally only m raiding
gentle frigate
I wonder if it is worth taking that over Mythic hands
Mythic tier hanbds. Aleady have Heroic max level tier hands
sacred zodiac
have you simmed the difference
gentle frigate
Waiting for it now
Eye in dungeon was literally about the same as the treinket I have now
Single target was like 2 k difference in favor of eye
astral stag
Why is Arms preferred over fury over Mugzee mythic?
balmy kindle
Mythic tier hanbds. Aleady have Heroic max level tier hands
heroic > myth can be around 1.0% tho, be careful
sacred zodiac
Why is Arms preferred over fury over Mugzee mythic?
execute burn
slow saddle
Not vs arms in that phase
sacred zodiac
ye post nerf its fine
swift crown
Livelord, better in jails, DPS check is very lenient at this point
sacred zodiac
Livelord, better in jails, DPS check is very lenient at this point
i had bladestorm or cds in every jail
slow saddle
Sl arms
sacred zodiac
maybe just go velf? noob
swift crown
Honestly at this point
If your raid lives through the last jails
You're more likely to kill than not
sacred zodiac
tell your raidlead to 6 heal
waxen storm
as a EU cant wait to see your US vaults guys 🙂
swift crown
Spongie there's one (1) guild that 6 healed
sacred zodiac
Spongie there's one (1) guild that 6 healed
they msut be insanely talented and onto something
swift crown
Surely they didn't just lock in when they got through Jails
And just killed boss on their first good pull
Honestly
6 heal isn't a bad strat
sacred zodiac
surely the warrior didn't just mass destroy the opponents
swift crown
But less so with the damage nerfs ig
swift crown
surely the warrior didn't just mass destroy the opponents
Ass destructor
But yea the DPS check on Mugzee is very very doable even with 6 healers
It's not tight at 5 heal
It's a live check moreso than a DPS check
slow saddle
U guys have 2 good guilds
Aaanyways will have 25% buff b4 my guils geta there
Next expansiony
swift crown
U guys have 2 good guilds
We're in the same guild
slow saddle
Which 1 is the goodest warrior?
swift crown
Spomgiewarr
sacred zodiac
spomgiewarr blasted
swift crown
I'm just a dogshit multiclasser
slow saddle
And u are warrior???
swift crown
I played Warlock on Bandit
sacred zodiac
And u are warrior???
turns out warrior has been good enough to be brought twice every tier since like vault
slow saddle
turns out warrior has been good enough to be brought twice every tier since like...
Nah its cos playerbase are insane
100%
Revvez
We are overcoomin the deficits
swift crown
I played Warlock every tier of DF
Now I played Warrior for 2 tiers in TWW
Maybe time to reroll something new
slow saddle
Starts with a w
sacred zodiac
maybe you just go back to warlock and be the main character again
boreal quartz
Nah its cos playerbase are insane
at the top level surely all classes have ppl that good
surely
lunar remnant
Can’t seem to find another class that makes me wanna keep playing like warr though.. bout to just alt another zug zug
slow saddle
at the top level surely all classes have ppl that good
Nono warrior supreme
slow saddle
Can’t seem to find another class that makes me wanna keep playing like warr thou...
Udk is pretty zug
onyx cloak
Can’t seem to find another class that makes me wanna keep playing like warr thou...
Ive been enjoying ret pala. 4 piece proc goes brrrr
minor gust
ret tier is pretty great yeah
one of those tier sets that will actually feel bad to lose
daring heron
will feel so sad when we lose current fury set
slow saddle
Ret is also normally an alt
slow saddle
will feel so sad when we lose current fury set <a:chatting:1266019851743399996>
RetCake
glacial orbit
Feel like I should take this... even though it's hero track.
minor gust
will feel so sad when we lose current fury set <a:chatting:1266019851743399996>
will totally feel sad to lose arms set aswell
daring heron
arms set feels okay
daring heron
it's infinitely better than fury, doesn't take much but yeah
minor gust
better than furys but still a shitty set
minor gust
only feel arms tier when you get a 10 stack proc
slow saddle
Well a lie the of one was nice for fury
minor gust
and getting it to proc when you want it to is annoying
ret tier is actually bis and has potential to be a capstone talent
slow saddle
Df season 3 when we get it as arms
minor gust
warrior isnt allowed to have nice things no DF s3 tier set as talent for us
fair tinsel
Where did the dev that gave us antorus set bonus go
dot for 20% of the rampages damage each rampage cast
slow saddle
warrior isnt allowed to have nice things no DF s3 tier set as talent for us
Imagine it replacing juggernaur
minor gust
let me remind these are the devs that said fury having high uptime on reck is a bad thing while also giving rets in the same patch insane wings uptime
slow saddle
Different deva
minor gust
same devs
fair tinsel
Ret needs wings uptime, their utility is lacking :((((((
slow saddle
Wings lools cool
fair tinsel
meanwhile fury utility is great, such as:
slow saddle
Mby he thought it was a visual effect
chrome spire
Shockwave?
daring heron
2 boring sets in a row, surely next ones will be bangers
minor gust
2 boring sets in a row, surely next ones will be bangers
do you know how much reck uptime is in a key overall?
daring heron
i dont check that and also havent played fury in keys really
every time i do im disappointed compared to arms
even in top
slow saddle
Just only check bosses
minor gust
ill have to ask Noxiv or suffer through a fury key myself then kinda curious and wanna compare the uptime of wings and reck in a key
daring heron
gonna bet reck is lower than wings
minor gust
My last ret key I had almost 60% uptime on wings
teal fossil
Guys, what does increasing the sd proc is haste?
Yes haste and rng
empty pike
spiral coral
even in top
I did only a 10 top with Fury last night, every boss I was #1 damage but was #3 overall. Felt really nice tbh.
balmy kindle
if u have a group, why not? tons of specs doing aoe dmg anyways
hasty lava
I wouldnt say I "picked" persay. I just let the GV fill the holes and pick
fathom hollow
can u still skip box 3 on floodgatE?
sacred zodiac
idk what your current gear is but this ring only has one socket and i wouldnt enchant cursed enchants
either way this is a pretty slam dunk myth tier vault and you just go loot a better arms ring in top
hasty lava
fair ... I do already have a HoC but its champ track
made the thought tempting
I will ditch the cursed too...thanks for the insight
lilac hawk
For M+ Arms Warrior. Am I simming Patchwork - 5 Bosses - 1:30 Mins or whats the better option to sim?
shadow ibex
Kinda hype ngl
Hell yea
balmy kindle
For M+ Arms Warrior. Am I simming Patchwork - 5 Bosses - 1:30 Mins or whats the ...
i prefer dungeon slice
fathom hollow
Just signed for 50 keys and no invite, let's go
vast helm
Arms buffs when?
misty sandal
Arms buffs when?
Just press execute harder.
lunar remnant
what alt are you guys playing these days?
minor gust
ret/dh
lunar remnant
Is ret actually good/fun? always avoided it bc the memes
minor gust
its pretty brain dead but its fun with tier set
hushed pine
This be a difficult choice, what do we think chat
native obsidian
Tier hands
potent creek
socket fs
hushed pine
don't really need tier tho (5 pc already)
balmy kindle
This be a difficult choice, what do we think chat
Hmm rings or house of cards maybe, or which ever that sums better.
Hand and waist at H track is probably good too
hushed pine
went with house of cards, I think it'll help me in the long term as I gear up further
and I assume it's better than amorphous relic
shadow ibex
house of cards is pretty difficult to replace
@olive nest im so ready to play oblivion again man this shit cant be real
rapid bronze
could there be a more scuffed vault
I already have crafted weapon, boots and cloak
so targeted all my myth track slots
I don't even have myth belt or bracers to use the socket
shadow ibex
mine was bad so i took myth weapon
not awful to have one in the bag for fury and if i ever switch to x2 thread embellish
rapid bronze
yeah that's fair
inner mica
Mythic track of this ring or cyrces signet?
rapid bronze
not awful to have one in the bag for fury and if i ever switch to x2 thread embe...
is there a reason to have ascension outside of raid prog?
shadow ibex
i doubt it
olive nest
<@224952758808215555> im so ready to play oblivion again man this shit cant be r...
Hell yeah bro same here! Going to be a blast from the past
sacred zodiac
Mythic track of this ring or cyrces signet?
sim it
sacred zodiac
you can add them in top gear or do a droptimizer
type it in here and select track and add sockets and whatever
inner mica
type it in here and select track and add sockets and whatever
kind of a noob with this stuff. This mean that’s better than what I have in slot 1 correct?
sacred zodiac
if the sim is set up correctly then ye
slow saddle
could there be a more scuffed vault
Weapon still?
slow saddle
Same and same
shadow ibex
i took stix weapon this week but im mostly playin other stuff between raid days so idk if ill even craft x2 thread
cobalt sinew
if mastery is stinky for arms why is house of cards so good
dim basalt
if mastery is stinky for arms why is house of cards so good
Nobody says mastery is stinky
Its a really good stat actually
cobalt sinew
from what i am looking at, it appears to be the 3rd best stat out of 4 which does not seem very good to me
dim basalt
Just because its only the third best it doesnt mean its bad
For M+ you actually want more mastery
sacred zodiac
from what i am looking at, it appears to be the 3rd best stat out of 4 which doe...
lol
halcyon breach
You're looking at Archon aren't you
smoky kayak
from what i am looking at, it appears to be the 3rd best stat out of 4 which doe...
thing about being the third best stat is that it typically becomes one of the top 2 stats after you start hitting DRs in higher gear
for example: at my level of gearing, Versatility has become far and away the best for Fury, despite being #3-4 up until that point, while Mastery (usually the best stat) gets progressively worse
teal fossil
You're looking at Archon aren't you
🐐
gentle frigate
I just ran some sims for single target boss fight 4 minutes
For some reason the sim says Arms is beating out Fury but also that mountain Thane is beating out Slayer in Fury
Also I notice that for some reason in some of the raid fights I still do WAY more damage as fury expecialy when there is cleave but I thought that was supposed to be what Arms was good at
tardy jasper
Has anyone in here used Eye of Kezan in M+? Specifically in the range of 15s and up. I'm debating on taking this heroic Eye in my vault, but I'm concerned about the decay time when out of combat.
sterile gazelle
Do we execute in m+ in aoe?
crystal spruce
@halcyon breach how much mastery do i need to play arms
strange perch
@karmic bridge
karmic bridge
<@107633976620924928>
Hello?
strange perch
Hello?
iu wanted to ping @karmic bridge sorry
@karmic bridge
@thick kelp *
sorry
karmic bridge
Hahahaha nah don’t be sorry bro you’re good!
strange perch
thanks 🙂
swift crown
@dawn stag wallahi I'm laughing
inner mica
anyone struggling to get into M+ groups. i’m 2700 but don’t get invited to 12s or 13s hardly ever
sudden fox
Droptimizer lookin a bit cooked lmao
halcyon breach
<@102464908976730112> how much mastery do i need to play arms
5 bazillion at least
gentle frigate
What do you guys use as Platter
void bay
I use Plater
gentle frigate
Yea sorry I cant spell