Excellent, thanks
#arms
sleek remnant
mossy nova
I am new to arms, just general question.
Why Arms is using Skullsplitter in ST if it is talented and not for 2 target with sweeping strikes?
quaint otter
Cuz sks is ass button
mossy nova
I understand that part, but in ST it is there, so I am a bit confused.
coral crescent
Where do you see it being taken in ST builds?
mossy nova
coral crescent
Looks like you're sharing APL. That's not the same as a build. Its use is tested with APL.
fair siren
yikes
fresh spire
There is likely hood that skullsplitter is missing in sweep
If it is I'll look into it this weekend and get archi to update. But sks pretty much a dead button now after the lack of rend buffs
mossy nova
Ahh so normally Skullsplitter is only talented when the fight is 100% ST?
coral crescent
No
fair siren
just go to warcraft logs
fresh spire
You don't ever Talent sks rn as it's just weaker than alternatives
Sks died with season 2
mossy nova
Okey, thank you 🙂
coral crescent
In case it helps to show: if we're following your logic that everything listed there is everything arms takes, this also means we take both thunderous roar and champions spear (hint: we do not!)
mossy nova
Yeah I understand now 🙂 I never played Arms in my life, I was just curious 🙂
coral crescent
Awesome guides found in https://discord.com/channels/148872210742771712/1237303208754286715 ! They spell things out really clearly
mossy nova
Thank you, I don't even know the Arms spells tbh, I just checked the APL to understand the basics, and I didn't understand why would the ST and Sweeping strikes rotation different outside of rend applying.
smoky kayak
In case it helps to show: if we're following your logic that everything listed t...
maybe you don't!
fresh spire
Wrecking throw is so back (surely(
Next apl. Wrecking throw on St rotation manditory
Gg
fresh spire
(Unironically wrecking throw was buffed monstrously on ptr(
Not sure when but it's there
shadow ibex
It needed to be
shadow ibex
I don't think it was worth the global v absorbs?
fresh spire
Maybe over op when no opportunist. Hard to say. Just watching for it to be implemented so I can test it on sims.
Maybe will be fun who knwos
Surely useful for gallywix first shield
fresh spire
Buff fatal but cull the amps from cds
I used it accidently on reclear today
Hit 19m. Not bad
But I didn't have tons over opportunist resets so likely fucked harder in op loss
coral crescent
maybe you don't!
Hey man I just look at the guides 
smoky kayak
I just make it up as I go
halcyon depot
Can someone help me understand in the AOE rotation why colossus smash is cast after thunderous roar & ravager? Intuitively I'd think you'd want the dmg buff from CS to apply to those, no?
tiny pollen
can someone help Currently it works better for me on SIMbot mechano core but they say it's better mister lock n stalk trinks
fresh spire
Ur top sim has core>lock barely
Also swap fierce to opportunit. Will see a sizable damage jump
On slayer talents
shadow ibex
Also swap fierce to opportunit. Will see a sizable damage jump
Is your money being longer worth your lifespan being shorter
tiny pollen
Ur top sim has core>lock barely
Ok, ty now the talent has changed, the damage has increased by 100k. How can I change the trinket effect from the page?
shadow ibex
The difference between them is within variance for you
deep bluff
Is it only me or does arms feel a bit off since yesterday?
Or should i rather say Collossus as hero Talent
smoky kayak
nothing has changed
balmy kindle
Can someone help me understand in the AOE rotation why colossus smash is cast af...
Because you wanna use your strongest GCDs aka mortal strike in cs windows
rare kite
Can someone help me understand in the AOE rotation why colossus smash is cast af...
they update dynamically. so cs will buff them, just not the initial hit of roar but that's small anyway
bright basin
For m+ is there any point trying to squeeze a bit more st damage out of the colossus build? or are you just better off going slayer jugg if you want more st/prio damage.
nova marsh
For m+ is there any point trying to squeeze a bit more st damage out of the colo...
I don't think slayer is worth it in keys still
spring rune
competing with buddy on M Rexie, is it more dmg to just stay on boss vice jump on bikers?
nova marsh
I usually stay on boss
gentle frigate
Whats all the extra stuff gems and what not we want on our armor for Arms?
nova marsh
Ranged can handle the other bikes
nova marsh
Whats all the extra stuff gems and what not we want on our armor for Arms?
check wowhead or sim
spring rune
are people really hitting Avatar 10s before M Carnage pull?
minor gust
yes
dire hinge
makes all of your intermissions perfectly overlap with your major CDs for arms
silly but it works
lean geode
It's kinda cring if you lust on pull tho
minor gust
sucks for on pull but its worth
every clash you have cds rdy for
pre execute ill hold my third CS before clash aswell if I feel like I cant get it back intime for start of clash with ava
minor gust
it all depends how long until clash
shadow ibex
blessed cdr first of its name
minor gust
if its 20+ seconds ill squeeze it in
shadow ibex
im surprised ppl dont run ravager
clash is 20 seconds right
i bet with PI you could get another CS in
with ravager i mean
minor gust
I kinda lost a lil faith in ravager since they fixed ravager oversimming a bit and no one really touching it
shadow ibex
imagine the tom spamming exe during rav
minor gust
I still prob would only touch it if your lusting in execute
tacit crystal
i gave it up
icy mulch
Holy fuck Stix is such an ass boss
tacit crystal
yes
shadow ibex
play thane stand under boss and just get thru it is how i make it ok
heavy moat
stix is awesome
shadow ibex
just turn brain off for a few minutes and just do the thing cant save the raid or nothin
lean geode
just turn brain off for a few minutes and just do the thing cant save the raid o...
My 13th reason this tier is how many mechanics rely on ranged dps while melee just payphone patchwerk
heavy moat
coordination checks make raids fun IMO
lean geode
(our ranged are omega asscheeks)
heavy moat
pugs suck sure but its not so hard you cant do it
icy mulch
Coordination is one thing, but man any time a boss has a mechanic that you pray that one person doesn't get... it's bad.
nova marsh
Yeah the problem is just
people refusing to improve and making stix harder then it actually needs to be by not paying attention. And the RNG is just really annoying
minor gust
classic
tacit crystal
me when we oneshot rik last week
and we have to do it again and it snot happeening
also our priest is being perma dcd
proud remnant
maxed!
spring rune
Anyone have mastery jump in stat priority? I simmed doing Cata on a couple items and they are mastery heavy and sims say they are upgrades
stable fiber
minor gust
If it makes you feel better I didnt beat my last week Rik parse either
harsh estuary
I’m sure it’s been asked somewhere but is there a reason we go for crafted claymore vs the axe? I’m broke as a joke and the axe is a good chunk cheaper to craft
minor gust
no difference in weps
nova marsh
Rik feels like a really weird boss to parse on in general
because he has a crapton of downtime
harsh estuary
Cool ty. Thats what it seemed like but wasn’t sure if I was missing something
wintry arch
The only bosses I’m enjoying so far are carnage and Lockenstock
Reverb is fun but too rng with barrels
And yeah you’ll drop jugg no matter what
Unless you can snipe ur homies
minor gust
I love and hate sprocket so far
nova marsh
Honestly if sproket's knockback just felt more consistant i'd be perfectly fine with it
But like...it's not and it's really fucking annoying
Also that overlap with the pull and void lazers is ridciously brutal even on heroic, that shits gotta be pain on mythic
Stix can die in a fire thou
balmy kindle
Eh I actually like sprock on heroic 
, need skills to keep uptime
But rik and stix are kinda meh
nova marsh
Yeah sprocket is.mostly fine, just had some waxk ass shit with the KB but I'd you play it right you get full uptime. Feels mostly satisfying to play
Rik is the weakest boss for me in the raid lowkey
balmy kindle
Ah I play dracythr also the kb is not really a problem at least on heroic
nova marsh
I mean I'm on enhance this tier
balmy kindle
Oh lol no heroic leap 
balmy kindle
But dracythr glide and leap just makes the kb trivial , finally some W for the brown class
nova marsh
Big true
Miss the knock back right and you either eat shit or loose some uptime
Got 2 mill st on that fight tn which felt great
balmy kindle
Hard to parse tho when your raid isn't the fastest I just aim to be on top
Venix is still my fav fight this raid, hitting a 3 hits demolish crit on repair phase 
nova marsh
I'm mad at vexie cuz we just barely managed to kill the gear grinder one time with like 3 people left alive and both tanks down and she immediately trashed us when the damn goblin was at 3%
Granted, skill issue but it was REALLY FUNNY
balmy kindle
Mythic ? Don't think this exists on heroic
nova marsh
Nope heroic
Yes the heroic victory parade goblin fucking did a left right good night to us
sacred zodiac
Idk killing the adds on time is the only check on that fight idk why youd ever go slayer
minor gust
as we get more gear and buffs and fight gets nerfed more I doubt adds will be a problem
latent moss
not really a warrior problem i feel like
even as colossus and shit warrior add damage is kinda ass
just bring more spriests chatting
balmy kindle
Been progging as Colo here lol, sweeping strikes need to be passive and cleave baseline as a start will be nice
Really annoying on stix esp, granted adds die really fast
sacred zodiac
Arms on stix is an unconsidered illegal cook
balmy kindle
No judge please I am just a heroic pleb, one of my group's raider runs fury Thane on heroic stix and it's hilarious how much dmg he does
Ignore balls, parse harder
sacred zodiac
Been progging as Colo here lol, sweeping strikes need to be passive and cleave b...
Been progging hc or mythic this will change my opinion
silk spade
Been progging hc or mythic this will change my opinion
hi spongo
dim basalt
Arms on stix is an unconsidered illegal cook
ye played it on Tuesday and Ive never felt so useless
Its like using cds on very few target counts in M+ and never having shit up for bigger pulls
tacit crystal
stix is the worst boss ever
balmy kindle
On mythic I would imagine melees being terrible since on this boss, parses can lie
strange perch
stix is the worst boss ever
Gio57
fresh spire
2pauck
quasi torrent
stix is the worst boss ever
clueless
vapid pine
Anyone on who's got problems getting sparks this season? Still on 2.5 and not receiving catchups
strange perch
thanks!
swift crown
Anyone on who's got problems getting sparks this season? Still on 2.5 and not re...
Did you... turn in the quests?
latent moss
np
swift crown
At the catalyst
vapid pine
Did you... turn in the quests?
Yeppers, I was up to speed 2 weeks ago and just stopped receiving them last week
swift crown
Idk killing the adds on time is the only check on that fight idk why youd ever g...
We had one set where we killed with 3 seconds remaining
Very scawwy
swift crown
Yeppers, I was up to speed 2 weeks ago and just stopped receiving them last week
Did you do the weekly quest that should reward them
If so your character might be bugged
vapid pine
Did you do the weekly quest that should reward them
Not this week (did last week), but I generally don't want to do the weekly before I get the catchup. At least that's how it has worked for the last two years. Although it doesn't matter this week (3 vs 3.5 sparks) it would fuck me next week
atomic mountain
easyer to play tank or dps in raid?
dim basalt
tank
gray herald
Not this week (did last week), but I generally don't want to do the weekly befor...
weird, I didnt do the quest last week but got the catchup this week and then the most recent half from the quest
gusty birch
whetstone or oil better?
sacred zodiac
We had one set where we killed with 3 seconds remaining
Liar
untold pewter
whetstone or oil better?
Oil, and you can also sim this or check the logs for rankings
swift crown
Liar
Your pants are burning I have video footage of you leaping out with 3 seconds remaining and charging back in to dunk
sacred zodiac
Your pants are burning I have video footage of you leaping out with 3 seconds re...
Post it to Feed my ego
Jarvis pull up Our Bandit log, Filter by p2 and boss damage only and Post the dps rankings
vapid pine
weird, I didnt do the quest last week but got the catchup this week and then the...
This is what I’ve been doing since DF, but last week I just got cucked
fresh spire
Pauck banned again?
swift crown
Post it to Feed my ego
https://warcraftrecorder.com/link/87788b66-0e36-40af-8ad6-a25e0d957ab0 okay wasn't as close as I thought
but gj Spongie
very nice dunk
Only DPS Warrior in this guild!
sacred zodiac
Ego fed
sacred zodiac
Only DPS Warrior in this guild!
Liar
halcyon breach
Jarvis pull up Our Bandit log, Filter by p2 and boss damage only and Post the dp...
nice PI
bozo
swift crown
Spongie cried for 10 HOURS before raid for this PI!
gray herald
zdps patch log in
swift crown
imjungroan
fresh spire
Man's got banned like 20 times
fresh spire
LINGGANG GULLIGULLI
void bay
Man's got banned like 20 times
He got banned for posting him and his boyfriend in off topic
fresh spire
Really? Hahahahaha
severe haven
fresh spire
sacred zodiac
did you see Poe2 patch notes
No
swift crown
Tl;dr we dont have skill numbers yet (they're all nerfs) and everything got gutted
robust cypress
are double passives like pacemaker + mechanocore better than HoC in m+?
quaint otter
the
quaint otter
are double passives like pacemaker + mechanocore better than HoC in m+?
highly doubt
its not bad
but active+passive often better
sacred zodiac
Tl;dr we dont have skill numbers yet (they're all nerfs) and everything got gutt...
Noob
latent moss
are double passives like pacemaker + mechanocore better than HoC in m+?
no
we have 2 big burst spells that benefit a lot from on use
if u manipulate mechano to proc on them sure
but getting 5k vers
doesnt compare to 9k mastery
lunar remnant
Sprocket is an arms fight now?
dim basalt
Has always been an arms fight imo
gray herald
fury and arms are so close in ST it's kinda gear dependent
or skill dependent
im better at fury and fury simmed a bit better so i played fury
lunar remnant
True
lunar remnant
I gotta re sim shit this week I been trying to gear out both specs and I’m getting a little unorganized
latent moss
but generally fury is kinda better cause it does slightly more depending on gear and is tankier/more comfy
sacred zodiac
Sprocket is an arms fight now?
Both do the same but fury is livelordx
Bit silly to spec arms if u play both
latent moss
Both do the same but fury is livelordx
diechallengeimpossiblex
icy mulch
Fury is certainly more tanky
fallen agate
I've played Arms since Vanilla so I just will continue to play it as it what I know and started with.
astral yarrow
That is the most confusing perspective to me, but if thats what people enjoy, more power to them
cobalt raven
is wow analyzer decent for arms?
old urchin
I've played Arms since Vanilla so I just will continue to play it as it what I k...
Arms 4lyfe my friend yes.
hexed snow
Bit silly to spec arms if u play both
I had this idea to do fury 1 season and arms another season
But adds ain't dying at all for our group in fights
So it's gg gotta go fury again
sacred zodiac
I had this idea to do fury 1 season and arms another season
Idk why limit yourself
valid walrus
Arms 4lyfe my friend yes.
Hell yeah,
warrior, especially Arms was always my "main alt" next to my main.
Arms was always fun to me
hexed snow
Idk why limit yourself
Funny
I played both previously, was just annoying farming two different gears. Also limited time in life
Lots of work etc .. so I didn't have time at all
Was easier to just do one spec and swap to other
quartz vortex
Heya lads, lets see if i can get some help cause im pretty lost RN.
Warrior has always been one of my alts, but as a tank, and now i wanna give dps a chance
(this is from a perspective of second spec of an alt, meaning im not gonna do more than +11-12 and theres no mythic raid in sight for now)
Ive reached 120 crests so its crafting time. The thing is i dunno if i should craft a 2H weapon with ascension, or since i mostly tank, i should just craft bracers and cloak with dawnthread (tank bis) and just pick the first crappy heroic track weapon that i can find on the trash (since BiS weap is rare drop)
slow saddle
Well
U answered it yaself
If u mostly tank
Make dawn
Use hc weap
If u wanna prio dps more make a weap and bracers
Then next craft could be shield with acendance
That way u could use same bracers
valid leaf
so just swapping to arms after being fury for M+ so gears favoring mastery BUT curious of a few things. When doing M+ how long should I hold warbreaker to pair with demo? and I guess vice versa. also wondering if that is the case if there are any other small tricks to squeeze out more damage in large aoe packs.
slow saddle
0 in gen
In gen it should line up in aoe
And in st it never aligns without super luck
swift crown
I played both previously, was just annoying farming two different gears. Also li...
2 gear set gaslighting
about to crash out
slow saddle
Ikr
U dont need 2 sets
At all
Like when u find a ring thats slighrly better u switch thats ot
Nothing u farm for
quartz vortex
If u wanna prio dps more make a weap and bracers
Yeah, my question came from a point where "the idea" of bis gear is getting bandits weapon and end up with crafted bracers and cloak anyways
The point is, is the crafted 2H dmg THAT noticeable compared to a random heroic 2H?
slow saddle
Yeah, my question came from a point where "the idea" of bis gear is getting band...
I mean ilvl is king
Sim it
Weapon is our biggest upgrade
But u can choose 2h in vault
Next week we are.at 4th spark r?
So u could craft 2h with notging on
And 1 dawn, thrn next week send mext
slow saddle
Yeah, i mean a 6/6 hc weap vs mythic craft isnt a million dmg but its the biggest upgrade we can get
Now if u had bis allready at hc... id prob just send dawn
reef birch
anyone got a demolish stacks weakaura they can send my way
icy mulch
Demolish will glow like a Christmas tree when you hit 10 stacks.
stone hazel
I was watching Cricake, and he said demos getting eaten by defend, what does that mean?
is this some sort of skill from trash mobs?
lean geode
is wow analyzer decent for arms?
Depends what you're trying to use it for but for the most part yes
cobalt raven
Depends what you're trying to use it for but for the most part yes
Just to point out rotational mistakes
lean geode
It should be pretty good for that - it won't be able to point out where holding cds for adds/damage amps might have been beneficial, but it'll get the fundamental rotation stuff
cobalt raven
Thanks
peak jacinth
Only issue I have with it is it assumes a perfect setting, which we don't have. ex: Bladestorm lasts longer than the CD for MS. So when you BS, you are going to miss/be late on a MS hit, simply bc you can't cancel BS anymore.
It'll ding you for that. Saying that you "missed a MS window." But there's nothing you can do to prevent it.
Same thing for doing mechanics. It has no idea you have to do certain things, which screws up your rotation. It'll ding you for that. So it works best when you know a bit more about what's going on overall in the encounter.
lean geode
Yes, it's a tool but there's only so much that it "knows"
The best way to use it imo is to go to the timeline view, see which casts it flags as incorrect and look at why, and ideally cross-reference with a vod to see why you used the wrong thing
If it was just an oopsie, spend some time on dummy to iron that out
If you didn't realize you had a proc or something, maybe some UI adjustments are in order
If you were doing a mechanic or holding for a damage amp, you can just ignore what WoWA is saying
peak jacinth
^^ that .. is a great summary. 🙂
lean geode
They are
cobalt raven
ye those are the important ones to me, then all good, thanks
lean geode
Each of those casts should be flagged on the timeline view as well
The tooltip text for those "inefficient casts" is auto-generated based on those conditions so it can be a little weird to read; I'm guessing that's the "exe for mfe/sd/jugg" condition?
stone hazel
priory footman's defend is aoe 50% reduction
oh thankyou
cobalt raven
yes
cinder dove
i meant more like this
what is this list?
addon or done through warcraftlogs?
lean geode
It looks through your log and compares what you did to what is "correct" to do
As said above, it doesn't really have context for what is happening on a fight beyond just a patchwerk sort of thing, but it should be pretty decent at pointing out fundamental rotational mistakes
halcyon valve
looks like someon actually pulled through
lean geode
Toreole abandoned us when we needed him most sadeg
dapper plank
Do we still BS during execute phase?
knotty orchid
lean geode
Do we still BS during execute phase?
Only during CS and with 2xEP going into it
cobalt raven
Only during CS and with 2xEP going into it
does the it consoume the EP stacks
quasi torrent
BS doesn't generate rage innit
it doesnt
however u auto during it sooo
and u cant spend rage sooo
lean geode
does the it consoume the EP stacks
On the first unhinged MS yes
swift crown
Only during CS and with 2xEP going into it
You'd use outside CS too (default APL does CS buff > 4 seconds remaining or 15 seconds of CD on CS)
it's almost neutral tho to remove the 15s CD conditional and only BS during CS
Actually just full neutral in a 5min sim with the S2 profile
TL;DR just do whatever you want
Actually Bladestorm moment
swift crown
That ability is
lean geode
ty schmidi
dim basalt
Outside of CS gives more dopamine because you get to see more big MS hits during cs
= objectively better
chilly coyote
how does sweep work on a boss like cauldron
tacit crystal
stand in the middle
chilly coyote
so it will not sweep if I'm not centered
just wanted to make sure if it's based off target or player
tacit crystal
player
chilly coyote
poggers
icy mulch
BS is just a vibe check in Execute
Beats sitting there waiting for the swing timer. It would be nice if they made Blade storm/Ravager really relevant again.
tacit crystal
real
weak rain
Idk I just use BS in exe at 2 ep stacks for 2 ticks and cancel it(so next MS benefits from brutal finish)
feels better
spiral coral
I just realized I haven’t done floodgate all season lol
Gonna be weird when I get a 12 key for it and have to go do a +2 to learn it lmao
nova marsh
Gonna be weird when I get a 12 key for it and have to go do a +2 to learn it lma...
Ur cooked bro
spiral coral
I know right I’ll have to join someone else’s key. Gross.
dim basalt
ddos? lol
lean geode
NA got ddosed last weekend innit
sacred zodiac
NA got ddosed last weekend innit
no proof
i'd also claim a horrible ddos against the entire region if i walked off a platform in the portal section of the dungeon
icy mulch
Lol
swift crown
i'd also claim a horrible ddos against the entire region if i walked off a platf...
Did you get DDoSd when you let the coin roll over you
icy mulch
Mage blinks off platform, "You guys lagging?"
sacred zodiac
Did you get DDoSd when you let the coin roll over you
No that was flat out me not paying attention and paying the ultimate price
lean geode
Mage blinks off platform, "You guys lagging?"
on god our new tank will die every pull and be like "I'm lagging"
"my game crashed"
sacred zodiac
this isnt even a joking about ddos type death that was legit just removing my raider role type death
icy mulch
You kids and your Pokeman cards.
quasi torrent
You kids and your Pokeman cards.
who
quasi torrent
your officer power?
u know he is the officer
gentle frigate
On what fights in the raid is it worth running arms over fury?
dawn stag
Replacing you with <@126061157508317184>
spomgiewarr is geared
thick kelp
Average arms breakdown
dire hinge
On what fights in the raid is it worth running arms over fury?
it depends on your team's needs. Fury is tankier and better at helping handle adds. Arms does have some solid damage (especially two-target). If you're looking for just "pure damage in a vacuum" with nothing else considered, i'd look to WarcraftLogs and look through each boss filtered by Warrior DPS and it'll give you a good pulse on things:
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/rankings/42?class=Warrior
quasi torrent
Average arms breakdown
ok mr time set to execute only with 15 stacks of jugg
thick kelp
ok mr time set to execute only with 15 stacks of jugg
This is mug zee 40%-14%
quasi torrent
yeah it does
quasi torrent
buddy i think ur wow is bugged
minor gust
olive nest
quasi torrent
Remove massacre
i dont think mass has to go
i think
jugg has to go harder
and slayer strike giving SD also
LLLL
dire hinge
what if execute just did high damage baseline 
shadow ibex
what if execute just did high damage baseline <:gladge:963970137701109820>
What if
I'm surprised they are OK with needing to cast a button 10+ times to make it deal damage
twin quarry
wowanalyzer says I should be using storm bolt more... does it mean like when running from place to place to get the dmg when not in melee range?
dire hinge
wowanalyzer says I should be using storm bolt more... does it mean like when run...
if you're running Slayer you can stormbolt while bladestorming. It's an extremely negligible dps increase and you can ignore it if you'd like.
But there's nothing else to do while you're bladestorming so...
shadow ibex
Seems like the kind of thing that wouldn't exist with their current mindset towards friction and all
olive nest
Never need to stormbolt anything
twin quarry
Okay just wanted to make sure I wasn't crazy I felt like that was a very minor thing lol
dire hinge
yeah exceedingly minor
twin quarry
it lists it as "MAJOR ISSUE"
fresh spire
Tbh probs should remove it off sims as.much as its a damage gain
dire hinge
got a link? we can probably recategorize it, the lovely person who upkeeps it is very active here ❤️
dire hinge
it's probably taking full duration of the fight divided by number of potential stormbolt casts
twin quarry
That's what I'm saying... it wanted me to use storm bolt 11 times so I'm assuming it's refering to when I was out of melee?
fathom hollow
will u be able to buy mythic trinkets soon
fathom hollow
mythic raid ones
dire hinge
I think this is probably my bigger issue
nah, rage is cosmetic for arms pre-execute-phase
fathom hollow
even house of cards?
twin quarry
nah, rage is cosmetic for arms pre-execute-phase
okay noted
olive nest
All raid loot with dinar item presumably
twin quarry
(Im new to arms)
dire hinge
https://wowanalyzer.com/report/GKRtX3MgCNqrZL9c/37-Heroic+Mug'Zee,+Heads+of+Secu...
hey @lean geode, what're your thoughts on reclassifying this as a minor issue? Or is the categorization based on the diff between 0% and 40% it reported?
olive nest
So for basically all warriors you’ll take jastor diamond and best in slots
dire hinge
no worries there friend, that's why we're here to help!
olive nest
Hope we get three so I can take HoC too
twin quarry
It seems like the takeaway is I need to hit mortal strike more
dire hinge
basically yeah 😄
fathom hollow
trying to get into 15s as a warrior is so depressing
olive nest
Any spec that isn’t current flavor yup
twin quarry
Sorry if you're not a dk boomy or mage it's ggs
gaunt owl
fuck the meta
lean geode
hey <@138757776707944448>, what're your thoughts on reclassifying this as a `min...
Yeah could do, I might also just remove it because it's pretty much irrelevant
The major/average/minor issue are based on thresholds
dire hinge
gocha, that makes sense, thanks friend!
lean geode
So like missing a couple MS is minor, missing 50% of your potential MS is major
twin quarry
The major/average/minor issue are based on thresholds
This makes more sense, since my threshold was 0/11
gentle frigate
Is it worth to try and save cooldowns to line up or just to send them of CD?
charred brook
Situational
Depends if prio adds are coming up/how long the remaining cds are
90% of the time it’s better to just send it
dire hinge
Says I was at 77% in terms of potential uses
basically Mortal Strike is available every 3 GCDs, unless its cooldown is reset by either Tactician (Overpower can reset MS) or Exhilirating Blows (MS resets itself). So it'll play like MS -> 3 spells -> MS. There's a few exceptions where Execute or Overpower will become more important temporarily, but most of the time it's every 3 gcds (or 4-5 with the exceptions).
Looking over your logs, there's periods of time where 8-9 gcds pass between MS uses. In this image, you could have gotten 3-4 casts in, but only had 2.
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/GKRtX3MgCNqrZL9c/?fight=37&type=casts&source=3&view=timeline&start=4623875&end=4649796
charred brook
I always send everything on cd first time doing a fight, then the next time I’ll have a better idea of when I should hold for a few seconds
That’s how I handle prog atleast
M+ I pretty much send everything on cd immediately almost always
gentle frigate
In a raid I should be able to line up every other CS with spin to win right?
twin quarry
basically Mortal Strike is available every 3 GCDs, unless its cooldown is reset ...
This helps a lot. I'll keep in mind of the every 3 rule, I wasn't aware of this.
charred brook
In a raid I should be able to line up every other CS with spin to win right?
I mean honestly it entirely depends on your mfe stacks
dire hinge
of course! You're more than fine, it's one of those mental model things that help a ton because you know it's coming up soon
charred brook
In theory yes
olive nest
Sometimes it’s more than 3 if you proc opportunist or have to spend SD based on conditionals
dire hinge
^ absolutely, it can get delayed from 3 GCDs to like 4-5, but it certainly won't be 8
olive nest
dire hinge
(or you can drop opportunist for a ~1% dps loss and have an easier rotation)
gentle frigate
I got ya but I don’t want to cast spin without using CS first right?
charred brook
I got ya but I don’t want to cast spin without using CS first right?
I would say try not to yeah
Unless you lose a lot by not
gentle frigate
Right ok that makes sense
charred brook
Like if adds are up and they are going to die quick if you don’t cast now
Send the mf
olive nest
The only time I really BS without CS is if I’m hitting multi targets
Not very often that happens
sacred zodiac
basically Mortal Strike is available every 3 GCDs, unless its cooldown is reset ...
frappe mortelle
olive nest
In my experience
charred brook
Yeah agreed
gentle frigate
So basically send shit on CD unless there is a certain phase and make sure to CD before spin
charred brook
Yup
gentle frigate
Makes sense. I am trying really hard to get a 90 or higher parse on the heroic bosses lol
It’s my goal of the season
olive nest
Frappe mortelle!!
dire hinge
frappe mortelle
i tried to order this at a cafe and the barista told me to leave
charred brook
Too many people hold cds and miss out on damage
charred brook
If you legit send shit on cd without using your brain you can get atleast like a 90 lol
gentle frigate
LOL ok cool
olive nest
True and real ^
charred brook
That’s one of the things I learned from tmy
gentle frigate
I think I have been trying to line shit up too much so I was hard stuck in the 80s
olive nest
Just APM your way to 90%
sacred zodiac
i tried to order this at a cafe and the barista told me to leave
you should frappe mortelle the barista
olive nest
ez w
gentle frigate
First season playing warrior
gentle frigate
Played fury at the start but idk there is something about arms that is really fun
twin quarry
(or you can drop opportunist for a ~1% dps loss and have an easier rotation)
easier because there would be less variance if I should hit overpower again or do something else in the rotation?
charred brook
Insane warrior
Yeah idk how he does it
olive nest
Mans just built different
charred brook
2 tiers of getting advice from him and I’ve hit a few 99s but not even close to what he does
swift crown
you should frappe mortelle the barista
I will frappe mortelle you and you will explode
charred brook
He shows me private logs sometimes and it’s straight rank 1 on every fight I stg
Like a robot made for playing warrior
teal fossil
I think I have been trying to line shit up too much so I was hard stuck in the 8...
Pugging or with guild?
dire hinge
easier because there would be less variance if I should hit overpower again or d...
Less variance yes.
So with the Opportunist hero talent you basically have this rotation:
Execute (in some conditions) > Overpower (in some conditions) > Mortal Strike > Overpower > Slam
If you take Fierce Followthrough instead (other choice-node option), it simplifies to:
Execute (in some conditions) > Mortal Strike > Overpower > Slam
it's more smoothbrain, but harder to mess up
and the dps loss from it is honestly not that important unless you're trying to push for top parses
in my honest opinion, people taking Opportunist and accidentally playing it incorrectly is a larger dps loss than just not taking it at all
twin quarry
Yah makes a lot of sense
dire hinge
(it's what i do, im smoothbrain)
twin quarry
I started playing warrior for the smooth brain
lean geode
@dire hinge thoughts on changing the threshold vs just removing the suggestion for storm bolt?
thick kelp
*press alot of buttons
thick kelp
<@102221603760271360> thoughts on changing the threshold vs just removing the su...
remove it lol
its like
0.1%
in sims
:xdd
dim basalt
I feel like Arms is kinda punishing tho
lean geode
remove it lol
L + ratio + didn't ask (but I generally agree with you)
dire hinge
yeah +1 to just remove it, it's basically the equivolent of sim variance as far as performance goes
twin quarry
<@102221603760271360> thoughts on changing the threshold vs just removing the su...
As an aside, thank you for the work you do. It really helps me understand where I can do better.
lean geode
Don't think I've intentionally used SB during BS a single time this expac
lean geode
As an aside, thank you for the work you do. It really helps me understand where ...
🫡
Saves me hassle reviewing logs
thick kelp
Don't think I've intentionally used SB during BS a single time this expac
my stormbolt glows when im spinning
teal fossil
Sb is for people with mental illnesses
minor gust
so true
dire hinge
oh god
dim basalt
the fuck
lean geode
That spell is still in the game?
minor gust
Same with people who shattering throw pre pull
teal fossil
Before df when shattering throw is baseline
You can technically pre cast shattering Throw on the boss for 1 free slam at the start of the fight
True technology
smoky kayak
You can technically pre cast shattering Throw on the boss for 1 free slam at the...
in MoP it was a raid-wide damage increase, and if you had multiple Warriors you'd even chain them! (it sucked)
teal fossil
Ok boomer
dire hinge
back in my day we charge weaved uphill both ways 👴
gusty birch
For raid should i swap for slayer or stay with colossus?
without taking add fights into factor
dire hinge
Usually slayer for everything
minor gust
if your mythic raiding yes swap but if its heroic or normal doesnt really matter send colossus if its more fun
minor gust
gear yes talents no
olive nest
Bro imagine we had to bring shattering throw to raid as a raid buff AND we could sweep it so it’d also be relevant for burst adds
Sounds kinda cool ngl
dire hinge
For raid should i swap for slayer or stay with colossus?
you can check individual bosses (by difficulty, per boss) by using WarcraftLogs and looking at the top section:
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/rankings/42?class=Warrior&spec=Arms&boss=3009
olive nest
It’d have to slap more than a MS though
sacred zodiac
Bro imagine we had to bring shattering throw to raid as a raid buff AND we could...
true shattering throw should work against the one armed bandit & mugzee adds
noble oxide
I think on wcl pretty much every boss on heroic and mythic is ST slayer
Except maybe heroic stix
tacit crystal
no
nova marsh
gear yes talents no
Yeah the gear restrictions is just a bit outdated now. Made sense in like bfa and shadowlands cuz Legos and what have you
dire hinge
ah yes, the classic arms thane build
olive nest
Stix is going to be ST slayer arms Zug next week
Maybe throw cleave on
I did prog as fury thane though ye
noble oxide
ah yes, the classic arms thane build
My favorite
olive nest
Oh absolutely you can feel the cancer it causes
twin quarry
you can check individual bosses (by difficulty, per boss) by using WarcraftLogs ...
Is there any easy way to export these or just have to build them 1-by-1 ingame?
tacit crystal
there is a copy button
dire hinge
if you click into an individual person on the logs you can get access to a Copy button.
so you'd have to go to the "top logs" page, find one of the top players for that fight, and click into their logs specifically to get their build
the "overall boss logs" page can't have a copy button because it's an aggregate of 100 builds, with variances between them
twin quarry
Ah I see, thank you
dire hinge
of course! happy to help, it's kind of of a weird ui
tacit crystal
god i love arms
crimson charm
World 6th, there's a Chinese guild at #4, but thanks! :)
languid blaze
Im semi new to wow (Fairly noob to end game content) and never fully developed a build so I dont understand a lot of the stuff in the FAQ. Would someone be able to help guide me on some questions?
dim basalt
Just ask em
jade cargo
Fuk em if they are not here right @crimson charm
crimson charm
Tru!
lean geode
Im semi new to wow (Fairly noob to end game content) and never fully developed a...
Just ask your question bud
dire hinge
Im semi new to wow (Fairly noob to end game content) and never fully developed a...
we can definitely help 👍
Many things will be covered in the WoWHead guide, but we can certainly help get direct answers as needed.
twin quarry
of course! happy to help, it's kind of of a weird ui
Is there a reasonable way to do the same for m+ specs or is it tough becuase the higher keys are building for longer fights / weird meta shit?
dire hinge
Is there a reasonable way to do the same for m+ specs or is it tough becuase the...
the closest thing is likely Archon (love it or hate it)
jade cargo
@dire hingesince when u became yellow manki
dire hinge
🤔 like a year or more? idk i just work here
languid blaze
Ive been running collosus arms, is collosus after 11.1 still bad/not as good as slayer? I really only care about doing big bonk damage so if another spec is better Id be fine swapping to slayer. Collosus feels really good when popping all cds with prestacking demolish
halcyon breach
if <@102464908976730112> can do it, every1 can do it right
I know right
low standards
dire hinge
for M+, Colossus is king.
For raid, Slayer usually performs better.
That said, you're welcome to play Colossus in all content if you want to, nobody can tell you how to play the game 🙂
Colossus can do quite well in raid as well, just "not as good" usually
languid blaze
for M+, Colossus is king.
For raid, Slayer usually performs better.
That said...
Gotcha. Just hit ilvl 606 so a buddy and I are going to LFR today. I also dropped a Capital Punishment from a cache reward. Is there a difference between this version and the boss drop?
dire hinge
was it your Timewalking cache?
languid blaze
Yes
dire hinge
that one drops at "Normal" raid quality, so it's better than the one from LFR
grats on the drop 🎉
jade cargo
ur so helpful - amazing
languid blaze
Will that be my best 2h for a while? Or is there something else to go for
It dropped 4/8 so I dont want to waste resources if I wont use it for long
olive nest
Mythic best in slots in a few weeks when dinar shop opens up
jade cargo
@languid blazestart using SimC
twin quarry
Is dungeon slice considered viable to sim M+ or do people still just sim patchwerk and then change trinkets based on community knowledge?
languid blaze
<@248904761015795712>start using SimC
simc?
dire hinge
Will that be my best 2h for a while? Or is there something else to go for
By completing the main storyline you'll get to fight Gallywix in "story mode", which is like a solo version of the final boss fight with bots. The reward is a "heroic crest", and you can use it to craft a Heroic Weapon which will likely outperform the Normal weapon.
vernal gazelle
Hey team. I have a question when it comes to what I should do for my next crafted piece. Anyone got a sec?
dim basalt
Is dungeon slice considered viable to sim M+ or do people still just sim patchwe...
5T patchwerk is better, we dont have a proper dslice api
languid blaze
By completing the main storyline you'll get to fight Gallywix in "story mode", w...
Oh finally a reason to drag myself through the undermine. I hate that area
lean geode
ur so helpful - amazing
Hrothmar the #arms helper goat
dire hinge
Hey team. I have a question when it comes to what I should do for my next crafte...
We do have a page in the DPS-FAQ channel that covers crafted gear, but feel free to ask away 🫡
https://discord.com/channels/148872210742771712/1237307555961634826
dire hinge
pants build
twin quarry
5T patchwerk is better, we dont have a proper dslice api
How do I set this? do I say 5 bosses or cleave add?
dim basalt
How do I set this? do I say 5 bosses or cleave add?
5 bosses yeah
dire hinge
it's down at the bottom, do "patchwerk" then set the target count to 5
dire hinge
valid valid, luckily they're farmable from dungeons
twin quarry
stuck with a normal BIS and maybe a myth track in vault next week (prays)
dire hinge
im doing a lot more prot keys for my guild and im in the same boat of having a Sword/Board from last expansion 😂
vernal gazelle
We do have a page in the DPS-FAQ channel that covers crafted gear, but feel free...
I'm trying to sim a bunch to check things.
Right now I have my cloak at 675 with Dawnthread lining, plus a 665 Best-In-Slots weapon.
Option 1
Swapping the Dawnthread lining to the Writhing Band and crafting an Ascention 675 weapon
Option 2
Craft my next lowest piece with another Dawnthread Lining and try for a myth weapon over time.
twin quarry
I have a hero track circuit breaker but it just feels bad upgrading it to 665 and not using my cute looking BIS
dire hinge
I'm trying to sim a bunch to check things.
Right now I have my cloak at 675 wi...
the difference is pretty minor tbh, i'd just pick one path and fix it later when we get more sparks
eventually with great gear you go 2x duskthread, but Weapon/Band is perfectly fine in the meantime
vernal gazelle
I do find it annoying to manage Best-In-Slots activation with House of Cards, but I figured the prio should be Cards > Mace
dire hinge
like as far as which to use in what order?
twin quarry
I just put BIS in a macro and slam that shit whenever its up
vernal gazelle
the difference is pretty minor tbh, i'd just pick one path and fix it later when...
Maybe it's best I do the 2x threads since I already have 1
vernal gazelle
like as far as which to use in what order?
Yea
dire hinge
if you do a Quick Sim with yourself you can just look at the rotation section at the bottom to see what the sim does
vernal gazelle
Looks like it holds Cards for AFTER the opener?
sacred zodiac
if you do a Quick Sim with yourself you can just look at the rotation section at...
quick sim is short for quickly simulation
sacred zodiac
Looks like it holds Cards for AFTER the opener?
probably just presses it with avatar? can you link the sim?
vernal gazelle
dire hinge
Looks like it holds Cards for AFTER the opener?
it likely uses weapon first with avatar, which puts trinket on CD
sacred zodiac
ew it uses geargrinders
dire hinge
ah, no it's using your Slot 2 trinket first
the joys of having 3 on-use effects equipped
dire hinge
because you have 3 on-use effects your weapon isn't used until 0:41 sec 🤮
it might sim well, but that's your call if you wanna do that
vernal gazelle
What I've been doing is Cards during the Opener, Once the Mace comes off CD I send that
In 2 target cleave it seems to prio the weapon first
twin quarry
the all knowing bot says heroic eye of kezen is a downgrade to... does the funhouse really fuck that hard?
olive nest
Fun house owns
twin quarry
do I really need to run delves to get a hero track one
twin quarry
bloodmallet has eye so giga bis though how can thsi be
olive nest
Bloodmallet is bad source
dire hinge
Eye takes a long time to ramp up and is only useful in raid tbh
twin quarry
ah gotcha
dire hinge
when you're out of combat you rapidly lose stacks, which happens all the time in dungeons
latent moss
unless u have a route for it
olive nest
Outdated apl and or outdated gear set
dire hinge
Bloodmallet is assuming a 5min fight with 5 targets and you're in combat the whole time, which will basically never happen
twin quarry
I'm just shocked that even a single target 5 min it says eye is a dps loss
dire hinge
it's just a good caveat to be aware of for the Eye trinket specifically 👍
olive nest
I equip locknstalk/funhouse for heroic reclears over eye/funhouse
Back to eye for mythic though
twin quarry
ah okay that makes sense
olive nest
If you do 1T 4minute eye will lose to a lot of things
twin quarry
eye / lockstalk or does funhouse still hold its weight at that point?
olive nest
It starts to win at 1T 5+
twin quarry
Also, can someone tell me if I ever actually do this? I was reading conflicting opinions on overall impact
olive nest
I leave mine in precision
twin quarry
That's sort of what I came across, something to do with the way the aoe dmg is split it makes it a net loss
latent moss
I'm just shocked that even a single target 5 min it says eye is a dps loss
sim 7 min
vernal gazelle
There's a way to rope my autocasted Mortal stikes into my Bladestorm Breakdown on details right?
vernal gazelle
Trying to compare my total casts vs my sim
sacred zodiac
Also, can someone tell me if I ever actually do this? I was reading conflicting ...
you can swap to aoe in 2+ targets but the st component should be really good focus damage
vernal gazelle
Working on Rotation practice Just wanting to see if I'm sending too many MS
Or if that's even a thing
lean geode
Not really a thing
sacred zodiac
idk thats probably a bad indicator
vernal gazelle
I assume you MS if its on CD
lean geode
You pretty much want to use MS whenever you can
vernal gazelle
off CD
lean geode
Only thing that takes prio is opportunist OP and CS really
vernal gazelle
And Execute prio?
sacred zodiac
are you asking for an execute priority or if execute is prio over all
either way wowhead has answers to both
spiral coral
You pretty much want to use MS whenever you can
I’m a simple man. I see MS up, I press it. AoE, St, idc.
Is the only way to track your sweeping strikes uptime is details?
dire hinge
i mean it'll fluctuate a lot if you're auditing dungeons, and depending on how your group kills things
if most adds are getting blasted but one dude stays alive for a while, there's no need to SS so it would be downtime (on purpose)
it's not something i've ever looked at for dungeons
if you have more than 1 target and it'll live for a while, use SS, if not, don't
paper fiber
when sweeping strikes is up, do MS and OP have higher prio than cleave?
faint fog
What's the closest other melee dps that feels easy to get into after years of warrior?
quaint otter
What's the closest other melee dps that feels easy to get into after years of wa...
I rolled ww feels good
olive nest
Ret paladin is very very simple
faint fog
That's definitely one I thought of I thought rogue too
quaint otter
Ret paladin is very very simple
quaint otter
That's definitely one I thought of I thought rogue too
rogue is iffy
olive nest
Play MM Hunter alt like me
olive nest
MM works well for my brain as an arms enjoyer
React to kill shot procs (sudden death)
quaint otter
in m+ u dont even do that
olive nest
Buff your next aimed shot (op/mortalstrike)
quaint otter
just pump multishot into aimed
velvet vessel
lords should I trust this sim?
or did I mess up? https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/hTANnXPQECDCKAApQUDnPZ
dapper plank
Vexie mythic is AOE build right? warbreaker > colossus smash
dapper plank
Ahh okay was also confused by discord faq saying aoe
olive nest
I never leave boss on vexie
olive nest
I’m not a giga brain rank 1 player so those might chime in but Zug Zug boss got me a 96
I’m content
lean geode
That's definitely one I thought of I thought rogue too
When I played outlaw in df s3 it felt very similar to fury
spiral coral
I’m dabbling with outlaw a bit, and it feels so good
latent moss
That's definitely one I thought of I thought rogue too
not really
outlaw is kinda similar to fury
not in the gameplay
but design ig
assa and sub are very different from arms/fury
dim basalt
ayy stix down
Insane how easy that fight is when you only have 2 melees
~55 pulls total, not too bad
olive nest
two melee!?
zenith lodge
how do you handle cds on gally after first set of adds?
fresh spire
Honestly on hc it's full send. Ain't no stopping the pain train (boss damage(
broken arrow
Gally has adds? never noticed
calm hollow
Insane how easy that fight is when you only have 2 melees
2? we had this comp, lmao
dim basalt
two melee!?
Only me and enh yeah
dim basalt
2? we had this comp, lmao
We ran a similar comp on Tuesday and it felt so bad as a melee
So we ran one more shadow and one more boomkin
I just went full ST
quasi field
quick question
slayer arms just prios execute procs after ms?
or just using same weakaura as fury
dim basalt
slayer arms just prios execute procs after ms?
no
Just use the arms equivalent of the execute weakaura and youre good
until exe phase at least
quasi field
do i just swap spec to arms on the weakaura or is there one for arms
didnt find arms one so yeah
dim basalt
Theres a specific one for arms
dim basalt
quasi field
ty
smoky kayak
you got it by chance?
there's also a #1237307732705415228 channel
idle prairie
Hey quick question since I only played Prot this Season, does Arms use Slam again?
calm hollow
as a filler
quasi field
there's also a <#1237307732705415228> channel
Ye kinda forgot about that
idle prairie
In Raid only or even in M+?
inner lava
Any single target
normal scroll
Forgive me I’m new to arms and this discord is there an arms primer pinned somewhere for a newbie to learn mastery of the spec?
lean geode
Forgive me I’m new to arms and this discord is there an arms primer pinned somew...
The wowhead guide is your best friend
terse osprey
So does the slayer build for arms in M+ use BS?
minor gust
considering half the hero tree works around bladestorm yes
shadow ibex
Become a storm of destructive force
twin hazel
Mechano core looking good now?
junior quail
u guys think slayer would be good in keys like workshop and TOP currently? Been running colossus obviously, but it doesnt feel as reward as in the other dungeons
quaint otter
No
spiral coral
Forgive me I’m new to arms and this discord is there an arms primer pinned somew...
Read wow head, go to dummy, do dungeons, read more, come here for questions, repeat.
normal scroll
The wowhead guide is your best friend
👍
halcyon valve
u guys think slayer would be good in keys like workshop and TOP currently? Been ...
I would absolutely never run slayer in a top
abstract cairn
u guys think slayer would be good in keys like workshop and TOP currently? Been ...
depends on the fight and mostly on the tank pulls... so it is up to you (also the build u are using with slayer) those downtimes hits so damn hard as melee rn.
shadow ibex
Slayer m+ is harmful to the mind body and soul
opal nexus
anyone else having a terrible time with leap being up on invisible walls in the worst places
fresh spire
Jumping as you leap fixes some line of sight issues
Throw back to old wow when heroic leap first came in and shit couldn't let you leap up the smallest incline
vast sleet
how much do the yes men in cinderbrew heal for, they seem not affected by mortal strike heal reduction
torpid jackal
It's 100 and they are affected by MS but you'll never notice unless you're doing weird cleave strats.
grand idol
It used to be possible to kill multiple at a time, I did it week one. I saw Echos group kiting the low one very far away to prevent the heal as well/
cobalt elbow
Little confused about when to use execute in single-target Slayer before execute phase: I know to use it with three stacks of Marked for Execution at high priority, but should I wait and only use execute with those three stacks, or is it worth it to use (for instance) with two stacks of sudden death?
icy-veins/wowhead don't seem to quite agree on this, so any advice here would be hugely appreciated!
shadow ibex
Throw back to old wow when heroic leap first came in and shit couldn't let you l...
Did it get changed in legion? I know from cata when we got it to wod it couldn't go over gaps up hills etc
I came back in bfa and you could go over gaps and p much anywhere
lean geode
@ocean pond gz bud
spring rune
do you try and line Collosus Smash up with adds on M reverb or just send on CD?
rose matrix
Is demolish the worst ability in the game?
lean geode
Is demolish the worst ability in the game?
Yes
rose matrix
It feels like complete ass to use
The fyrak legendary was horrible then they decided to put it as an ability
shadow ibex
But what if it crits
ocean pond
<@204367291767324672> gz bud
deft girder
roger
fathom shoal
sour marsh
I'm a complete newb and working on Delve before diving into M+. I find myself sitting max rage a lot. What are we spending it on? Execute, Cleave, Mortal Strike and Impending Victory if we're low on HP?
I find myself hitting all but execute on cooldown and not able to dump my rage
snow pagoda
rage isnt real
sour marsh
We're not really worrying about it with Arms?
snow pagoda
with a shaman or in cds
sour marsh
More about spending our GCDs well?
snow pagoda
rage isnt a concern
sour marsh
Okay thanks. I'm mostly a druid and just experimenting with prot, fury, now arms. I enjoy it's a bit less button smashy but felt a bit inefficient
vast sleet
you generally have more than enough outside of exe
balmy kindle
If difference on ST is about 0.4 % , depths or stone bound / guile 
- About 1% gain on dungeon slice
twin quarry
Where do you guys stand during clash to maximize dps for cleave?
tacit crystal
in between both
twin quarry
like just in the middle or do you stand on outside facing them both?
twin quarry
love it
tacit crystal
latent moss
bla bla bla ble ble ble blu blu blu
balmy kindle
Gonna try this on future H reclears, parse pad ftw
latent moss
MONGOOSE BITE ‼️
graceful light
won jastor ring in a heroic pug, should I sell for 500k lmao
graceful light
heroic version better than mythic rings for arms? i know its huge for fury
rain cipher
they do 0 damage
What do you mean by 0 damage? If you stand there, your chance to die is very high
lean geode
What do you mean by 0 damage? If you stand there, your chance to die is very hig...
Press SR and don't stand in stacked ones and you're chillin
You barely notice the dam from a single blue circle
rain cipher
So just dodge fire?
rain cipher
Interesting. Will try it next week
tacit crystal
so they do 0 damage
bold granite
What do you mean by 0 damage? If you stand there, your chance to die is very hig...
Just dodge
I go in the meatgrinder everytime
do not fear
south beacon
i have a 665 signet , and 658 house of cards
house of cards simming 15k higher
but still see many using signet in mythis plus?
unique cypress
My guess is if enough people stack it then the secondary buff gets better
balmy kindle
There's also the case of availability, not everyone has funhouse hero track or HOC
latent moss
My guess is if enough people stack it then the secondary buff gets better
hell na
2 minute is never better
especially as arms
all of our damage is in avatar
unique cypress
??? I'm not talking about the on use
Signet has a secondary effect that when someone else uses the trinket they give you a small stat buff
rare kite
bruh that's tiny af
unique cypress
But more than likely it's a I have nothing better to put there trinket
I'm not arguing that it's a good trinket lol. I was just making a guess as to why people were using it
rare kite
very likely just because they don't have anything better
tacit crystal
very likely just because they don't have anything better
can paladins bubble the recycler cast
or
rare kite
can paladins bubble the recycler cast
yeah
you can live the recycler cast with defensives and an external btw
calm pebble
arms or fury for raiding?
rare kite
both(but mostly fury)
calm pebble
ooh okay, i been trying to find a tier list but they are all mixed lol
rare kite
just gear for fury. fury gear for arms is fine, arms gear for fury not so much
calm pebble
ohh, i kinda already went arms and been practicing my arms rotation still kinda clunky though
rare kite
then play arms if you wanna play arms. there are no specs in the game that cannot achieve CE or whatever you're trying to get
calm pebble
i used to use hekili add on for everything but am trying to stop using it lol
rare kite
plenty of one tricks get CE every season
calm pebble
am just trying to get at least aotc
i like arms i just need some help on the rotation, ive been trying to follow the one on wow head but idk
rare kite
i like arms i just need some help on the rotation, ive been trying to follow the...
there's a few good weakauras you should get in #dps-faq
calm pebble
gotcha ill take a look
acoustic ocean
Any advice for defensive use on H Gallywix? I'm dumping them into Scatterblast because that seems to be the biggest burst
tribal ember
you should be able to use spell reflect on each one if ur rotating them
finite wasp
Does anyone here think dreadnaught is useful or is it just a piece of shit talent
quaint otter
Its ok now
stable fiber
This spec doesn't seem bad on Stix
Even though it's the very bottom if you got to mythix
It requires a great deal of luck though with mob spawns and your raid doing the balls right with hyenas, colossus does a dumbass amount of damage on this boss
It's like a 50/50 split of people playing colossus and people playing slayer though so the spec is lower overall
(All the colossus parses are higher than the slayer parses)
dire hinge
Any advice for defensive use on H Gallywix? I'm dumping them into Scatterblast b...
Lorrgs can be helpful. Just be sure to uncheck all of the dps spells and only look at defensives for timings. As others pointed out spell reflect is used for every-other Scatterblast canisters mostly. Also don't forget Dstance exists.
https://lorrgs.io/spec_ranking/warrior-arms/chrome-king-gallywix?difficulty=heroic
thick hamlet
bros when i sim using raidbots, how do i open up its simulcation craft page
where it shows stuff like each skill's contribution in % etc
reef glade
quick sim i think shows u % breakdown of abilities
junior quail
depends on the fight and mostly on the tank pulls... so it is up to you (also th...
yea losing demo stacks is ass
balmy kindle
Losing colo might is ass but slayer has ass aoe 
dim basalt
Whenever I have to press Slam, a part of me dies
relatable
Thats why I like the M+ colo build, OP and MS just keep resetting each other
Budget BM
vapid pine
but not for top gear sims, ya?
Simcraft pages aren't available if you're simming many different combinations in Top Gear either
balmy kindle
Thats why I like the M+ colo build, OP and MS just keep resetting each other
You can still get some periods where you are stuck pressing slam though, just less
dim basalt
Way less tho
balmy kindle
Yeap.. it's one of the reasons why I refuse to play slayer on H prog
fresh spire
Depending by the amount of combos you have on top gear it disables the detailed information. Though. If you check the right hand side or put /simc at end of link if it did generate the report you can use that to see info
remote ledge
How bad is using overpower stacks on ms instead of cleave in aoe? Sometimes it happens when I press buttons, and I mostly cope myself by saying it's more prio it doesn't matter outside of overalls
balmy kindle
If you have sweeping it's not that bad imo
Crit twice = more CDR to demolish or 4 stacks of colon might
remote ledge
I don't crit but I have big deep wounds 🤓
balmy kindle
But with sweeping up you kinda wanna press MS or cleave on cd to get collateral stacked up too
remote ledge
Yea that's what I did every time, press them on cd
But read here that you shouldn't if you have overpower stacks, felt really annoying to track, wanted to press buttons
balmy kindle
I don't play with WAs but one trick I use is looking out for the yellow streaks on tact procs.
If u see that you have at least 1 OP for sure
fresh spire
Ms and cleave mp doesn't matter too much now with jt being nerfed to 15%. Main take is pushing collateral stacks and colossus might stacks up as quick as you can.
Though inside of slayer. If you are playing slayer keys with dn or opportunist are better to use over mortal strike.
dim basalt
Yea that's what I did every time, press them on cd
But read here that you shoul...
Not pressing anything is way worse tho
Dont play around it 100%, just keep it in the back of your mind
balmy kindle
Stjpas correct, better to use something than to hold GCDs
remote ledge
Great, can simply keep gaming and using cd's on cd
Is holding avatar/ravager for warbreaker still the play? Same for demo in ST? Holding always felt weird for me
balmy kindle
Nah in STs you just send CDs once they are up (iirc don't wait more than 6s or smth if they don't align)
Reason being you can easily lose casts of demolish if you dont use it on 10 stacks and on cd
remote ledge
What about ravager and wb in aoe? Hold like critcake said early in the season, or press on cd like biz said in his video?
balmy kindle
For aoe I think both is applicable, if you know a big pull is coming
Then I would say holding is probably the call
But then again warbreaker cooldowns really fast lol so it might not matter that much.
dim basalt
Its a case-by-case thing
balmy kindle
In keys I would try to ensure wb is used with 10 stack demo but sometimes it doesn't align nicely - it's still better to send wb on cd most of the time tho