arms

[rain cipher]

Smort 🤓

[valid sage]

sounds good! gl!

remember to macro charge to all your abilities to not have any downtime when you get gripped away

[latent hull]

what about pi

im not in a guild rn but id message priests for pi

[smoky kayak]

there's a skill setting - try changing yours to "low"

[tacit crystal]

@thick kelp do you play apoc build or pesti build on uh

[thick kelp]

pesti cuz boss dam is fake

[tacit crystal]

the more i read that talent the more i hate it

it seems fake

also read somwhere that you need a lot for it to be better than vc

let me find

[thick kelp]

speak words man

Idk dk acronyms

[tacit crystal]

vile contaigon

[thick kelp]

who is playing

vile contaigon

in keys?

[tacit crystal]

when was the last mdi

bro how do i find discord messages from 6 months ago

from some random guy i messaged

@thick kelp

[thick kelp]

6months ago mna

isnt even s2 info

:xdd

[junior spruce]

Why does every piece of gear this season have so much Mastery??? GIMME SOME HASTE

[fleet lake]

eye hc or crit trinket mythic(got it on normal)

sim angle or is it obv?

got house of cards normal as second

[tacit crystal]

surely the math is the same

[thick kelp]

idk I saw china dk's playing this page https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/death-knight/unholy/sanlayn/DAPUVVEAURUUBVEZkUAOVVRVFFRQUURoBQBEEFVVUBQ

[dusty dagger]

hey, pve boys, the single target ability Rend doesn't trigger slayer's strike for yall, does it?

cause i've been testing it for a minute and have gotten no procs

[tacit crystal]

it can

i think only the hit

not dot

[dusty dagger]

are you sure

are you positive

cause ive been hittin this dummy with just rend for a long while

nothin

[tacit crystal]

@thick kelp

surely he knows

[thick kelp]

idk

i jst play the game

[knotty creek]

Thank you I’ll make sure to do that

[narrow flax]

crests eventually get uncapped right?

[tacit crystal]

surely

[robust cypress]

do I cleave or mortal strike at 3 targets without sweeping strikes up?

[narrow flax]

cleave iirc

[ocean creek]

Anyone running viscera trinket?

[tacit crystal]

cleave > ms > op

[pallid umbra]

665 Best-in-slots vs 678 normal wep?

[quaint otter]

678

[pallid umbra]

https://tenor.com/view/смайл-gif-14474256304260087669

[floral sierra]

LOL first vault

avoidance on this bih too

[proud trout]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/2Y5tpJNPHGm3KWiDE8eUkG craft 3 items or just craft weapon + wrist and craft neck (or some other offset that hasn't dropped yet) next week?

mostly play keys

[quasi torrent]

the wep craft would sim a lot better if u had cinderbrew neck

or rik neck

[severe crag]

How are we a top class in heroic but a bottom class in mythic.

Thought we were doing fairly well in mythic.

[proud trout]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/8ckeYrKYbm6dUtw58TY99j still sims lower, but a bit better than the original sim yea

[quasi torrent]

youre also spending less crests on the weapon option

you have 30 more crests to spend with that

that could go, for example, into your head

[floral sierra]

why specifically the head

[quasi torrent]

cause helmet has big stat budget

[proud trout]

and it's myth track

[idle yarrow]

Share your thoughts folks. befoulers syringe hero (have a champion weapon) or a tier piece (hands, shoulders) ?

[untold pewter]

Sim brother

[calm hollow]

when 3.9m is low dps on a 10

[dim basalt]

Just unfortunate that a crafted weapon is better

[inland drift]

really?

[dim basalt]

Why would a heroic bis beat a crafted myth weapon

[inland drift]

🤔

ye sadly already foked all my sparks for armor crafting

[fluid chasm]

because duh its heroic

[lusty agate]

should I take tier legs (myth) or Circuit Breaker 2H (myth) ? I have hero tier legs and 658 champion Best-in-slots

[slow saddle]

so with buffs to RET ST

they are now better in st than arms no ?

i feel like my m8 slaps a lot more in st

he might just have improved though ngl

[gray herald]

you should sim it, weapon will be a much bigger upgrade i'd imagine

[halcyon valve]

the others just pad because they blast instantly

[lusty agate]

it sims higher but im not sure cause i dont raid mythic and cant get mythic tier legs otherwise + we get tokens

[gray herald]

we dont know when we will get tokens still right?

[thick kelp]

nop

[gray herald]

i wouldnt recommend even thinking about the tokens personally, but I'm not sure what the consensus is among people that dont run mythic

with 3x myth m+ slots every week you may see both legs and a weapon again before tokens are out

[lusty agate]

true, ill take weapon ig

[toxic jewel]

I heard dinars (tokens?) are in 11.5?

[eager sigil]

Yea but there's no date

[dim basalt]

Its indirectly confirmed for april 22nd

[fresh spire]

End of April. Some event during it is on the calender

[unreal shard]

Yo what stats did you lads craft your 2h at if using for both arms m+ & fury raid

[fresh spire]

Haste +crit/mastery

Depending which you lean into more arms go crit fury go mastery. Biggest take away though is going haste/mastery will be better between the both specs while not perfectly optimal for colossus

[unreal shard]

nice one, thank you!

[median spire]

Ring outsims Circlet, at what point should we replace the circlet?

[dim basalt]

When it sims better than circlet

[median spire]

Yeah just confused because bis lists still have circlet

[fresh spire]

[dim basalt]

Take a few seconds to think why that is 👀

[fresh spire]

Hahahaha

[median spire]

Well I wasn't sure if those are out of date and we should now be dropping the circlet

[fresh spire]

Bis list isn't a bis list on wowhead. More of a guidance between raid and dungeins

[dim basalt]

And bis lists are only reliable if you have every single item on the exact same ilvl

[fresh spire]

Bis lists don't exist anymore with how widespread and valuable loot is from all sources.

[dim basalt]

Im being made fun of because Im still using circlet

[median spire]

So I guess in theory, if I can get every item on the list then legs is the correct choice here long term and ring is more short term

[dim basalt]

In theory it doesnt matter because its not gonna happen anyway

[median spire]

True

[dim basalt]

Unless youre really lucky with vaults

[nimble basin]

interesting, already have a heroic eye of kezan, improvised seaforium is good but probably replaced by house of cards at some point right?

[fathom hollow]

What warrior spec is this

[fathom hollow]

Kezan is only good in raid , dogshit for anything else

[dim basalt]

Its pretty good in some dungeons

[nimble basin]

so what's bis for dungeon only? if kezan isn't

[fathom hollow]

Delve trinket and seamaker / cards

[slow saddle]

lens thing

[fathom hollow]

Unless ur gna get mythic cards, seaker is bis

Lens isnt better than trasmitter

Amifier sorry

Amplifier

[nimble basin]

im in an awk spot, i have a 645 lens, hero kezan / rik trinket then myth seamaker in vault lol.

lens sims highly for 645 tbf

[remote ledge]

Any decent stat on use + any decent stat stick will be great

[nimble basin]

yeh but using a vet trinket when have hero / myth feels cursed. But sim wise it makes sense ha

fair

[remote ledge]

Arms could probably rock two on use trinkets in m+ as the best set up, even if it sims slightly less

[nimble basin]

two equip passive trinkets are bad really right?

for m+

[toxic jewel]

m+ is about bursting down mobs, an on-use really helps there

[remote ledge]

On use are better, but if you don't have any it is what it is

[slow saddle]

Game loves trollin me

i got bis trinket from delves

champion track

everytime on hc i get the omega bad ones 😛

[hexed snow]

Fire warrior

[sharp wyvern]

What's the reason people play collosus arms on bandit ?
Is it just cause aoe cause slayer has better execute does it not?

[fathom hollow]

Heroic and mythic arent the same fight

[random ibex]

Mythic is much more frequent add waves

[eager sigil]

the entire fight is killing adds

boss dam is secondary

[slow saddle]

so i CAN claim to play collosus on all bosses up to bandit?

to Practice

i hear ya

[eager sigil]

you are already playing arms on fights were fury is probably better

so why not

[icy mulch]

I kinda want to switch Arms for raid, but I started the raid season as Fury, so I'm kinda locked in.

Side note, 20% movement speed is insanely fun.

[solar quarry]

How viable is arms colo for Rik?

I’ve played fury cos obvs, but I’m sat on Bs half the fight waiting for barrels, aren’t the M+ arms timings kinda perfect for barrel spawns?

[remote ledge]

Problem is you are hitting boss 95% of the time tho

Don't know how colo performs on this subject

[tepid citrus]

If you have a monk in your raid. Just go full ST lol

[icy mulch]

Yeah, Colossus usually requires everything some what close together. With Rik spawning things so randomly, you may get lucky you may not.

[gentle frigate]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/ADvb78LNW9dZ1jxP?fight=18&type=damage-done&source=37

any idea why i am losing some damage? Im trying to get to a 90 parse but im
Hard stuck at high 70s

[icy mulch]

Lol it's Stix that's why.

[lethal isle]

hey all! any big boy arms can give me some information from my log review by anychance my warrior is stacked but i cant do any fk dmg XD

[gentle frigate]

My sprocket fight parse was even lower like a 58

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/ADvb78LNW9dZ1jxP?fight=24&type=damage-done&source=37

[gray herald]

put gems and enchants on your ring and gems in your neck firstly

magnificent jewelers setting can add 2 sockets to your neck and rings

[gentle frigate]

Does that make that big a difference?

Was trying to wait until I get a better neck high track

[slow saddle]

Nah but asking for optimization when u arent optimizing

If u keep jugger up use the wa

[icy mulch]

I'm on my phone so I can't really dig into anything. Sorry.

[slow saddle]

And opportunist is being spend?

[lethal isle]

https://discord.com/channels/148872210742771712/1356971117784469505 if anyone could help would be amazing! i am very confued what im doing wrong honetly any help would be amazing

[icy mulch]

93 MS, 62 OP in a 5 min fight.

[vapid pine]

85% melee uptime is rough, gotta be in range to do damage. Also you're missing a lot of Opportunist procs and seemingly sending Execute based on vibes. Checkout WA's in guides/faq to get help with those

[icy mulch]

They need to give Execute might stacks again. So stupid they took that away as well as the execute nerf in general.

[open ingot]

Quick question: Eye of Kezan, simbait for M+ or good?

[wintry arch]

From where?

[wintry arch]

I’m not sure what you mean by simbait in this context. But eye of kezan relies on staying in combat to perform. The main stat buff falls off quickly

[icy mulch]

Gear, gems, and enchant.

[icy mulch]

See above post.

[open ingot]

I mean in a real world m+ context, is it better than improvised seaforium pacemaker. Sims say yes, but I'm not sure.

[wintry arch]

I thought that the gem didn’t stack with our class tree talent

[icy mulch]

#arms message

[wintry arch]

Probably not. Unless you’re staying in combat the whole dungeon. Or your crit from gear is super high

[wintry arch]

Can u link sim

[icy mulch]

My cloak, boots, also have speed on them. The boots enchant for more.

[open ingot]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/8Ub6PuwGM7SHYjJQeXpb5m

@wintry arch no wait I read the damn sim wrong. I'm too tired, ffs

[wintry arch]

Haha ok

Yeah pacemaker and lens are a good combo

Eye of kezan in raid for longer ish fights

I’m also not sure but I think dungeon slice sim keep combat. So if anything eye of kezan is worse than that in a dungeon where you lose combat

[icy mulch]

I hope the circlet gets crushed, I hate that thing.

[austere hedge]

The arms sim always says ill do like 1/3 of my actual dmg in dungeon slice

Perhaps im just the chosen one

[wintry arch]

You > robot

Someone can correct me but slice is like 1,3, 5t with varying lengths and order of stuff. A real dungeon is more like 5-8tx3 then a boss

[teal fossil]

Yea

You don’t look at dungeon slice for the number

You can use it for gearing decisions

[austere hedge]

True, also ur name checks out

[jade cargo]

@icy mulch we should name u Mama Arms

now that they lost Papa Arms

[peak jacinth]

iso Demolish tracker and picked up one from Astryy. It shows number of stacks, and on the WA page shows a clockwise-swipe to indicate time remaining.

I look in the options for the WA, and it looks like it's setup properly to show time remaining...

..but when I use it, it only shows stacks. There is never a swipe to show time remaining. Any suggestions?

[spiral coral]

Hot take: a near bis pve item that everyone has to go do together easily and socially, is a good thing.

From fresh accounts to super geared players, they all have to do it

I think that brings people together.

Good thing.

[tender pecan]

is the trinket good at all?

[kind axle]

is there any better way to get funhouse lens than to use the weekly map/vault slot

[ripe igloo]

Im seeing a lot of Warriors running Mechano-Core Amplifier trinket in M+

is this like BiS in M+?

[icy mulch]

I guess, but the fact that it still better than most mythic rings is crazy.

[spiral coral]

I think thats cool af

tbh

I think it would be ass if it was anything other than a ring though

[icy mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/hivepizza-hive-homies-pour-one-out-dr-evil-gif-24494269

[jade cargo]

Canadian Girl BiS

[icy mulch]

True, at least it's only Stam and secondary stats.

[spiral coral]

Should be more streamlined for alts

Even though it already is, could be better/easier

Or just make that the only item that can be like warband and just trade it to another toon

because you can trade all the gems/warband bank them

so... idk

[austere hedge]

This was the first trinket i got this season

Must be pretty easy to get

[dapper plank]

Getting HC best-in-slots right after crafting 2h 😦

Sadness

[spiral coral]

i just spent like 5 mins looking for the g-99 breakneck in collections to add it to my bar

lol

super weird it only comes up on your extra action bar when you go into undermine and its not on your regular bars

it doesn't like, exist anywhere as a mount or toy

[peak jacinth]

There are actually quite a few toys that won't show up in your toy collection if you're not in the zone they can be used in.

To Blizzard, "if you can't use it, you don't need to see it." I guess. 😉

[spiral coral]

Still upset the pipes above undermine aren’t a giant race track

[slow saddle]

As arms u replace it

At least in m+ i usa jastor + hc ring

[fathom hollow]

where is the option on raid bots to sim best vault item

[slow saddle]

oh its there ?

just chose topgear

[icy mulch]

Have your vault open and hit the simc button, copy.paste into raidbots and all the Great vault items will show up.

[eager sigil]

crafted is better than hc bestinslots

[wary needle]

did any of you play fury before going arms and how would you describe the difference?

[olive nest]

One has intellect

[outer holly]

unlearning pressing nothing but raging blow and rampage has been a challenge

[naive sage]

Real and true

[hollow plover]

fury is smoother, slayer fury barrier of entry is lower than slayer arms, but the skill ceiling is arguably higher due to the amount of different optimization conditionals. I like both personally, although I'm more of a fan of fury's niché decision making (e.g. playing around slayer strikes which other people tend to dislike)

[wary needle]

ive been playing feral for most of this season, and wanted to get back to warrior. feels like the way fury is played is ... nice but uncapped aoe is nice

[olive nest]

Bro if you’re already a feral gigabrain warrior is cake

Pick one and roll with it

[bitter escarp]

zug zug

[olive nest]

Both have strengths

[hollow plover]

fury is easier to get into than arms

if u care abt that

[olive nest]

Maybe I’m biased but I have a much easier time getting full potential out of arms in raid vs fury

I also just don’t like AM fury so again biased

[wary needle]

i was looking at m+

[outer holly]

Arms takes some finessing

[wary needle]

the thing im most afraid of is sitting there and not getting invited

[outer holly]

fury you press rampage and listen for a ding that tells you when to execute

oh yeah, that's a warrior thing in general

[hollow plover]

arms has to look at mobs and your demolish (big hitter button) fizzles, if the target leaves melee range during the cast.
fury doesn't have that issue but fury is capped 5 targets, meaning less aoe

[wary needle]

yeah the capped aoe is what scares me

[hollow plover]

what key levels are u doin

[wary needle]

feral are doing 12s

[hollow plover]

cause fury isnt getting many pug invites in higher keys

[outer holly]

feral brings vers buff

[hollow plover]

unless ToP

[wary needle]

yeah

i know, warrior doesnt

thats why i still get some invites on feral

[teal fossil]

That’s not why lol

Vers buff is actually pretty weak

[slow saddle]

fury is just fine in 12s

[teal fossil]

Since its additive

[slow saddle]

u will keel bosses very good

[olive nest]

Bro you play feral you are used to this by now

[teal fossil]

Every other raid buff is multiplicative

[hollow plover]

?????????????????????????????????????????????????????

smh

you did not just say that

flat vers is so much DR

[olive nest]

He’s not wrong

[dim basalt]

The DR does not really do as much as you think

Its rarely gonna save you from death

[olive nest]

Vers buff in comparison to the other buffs is weaker

That’s the point

[teal fossil]

3% vers is 1.5% dr

And its additive

So it’s more like 1%

[dim basalt]

At some point, if you die, its a oneshot anyway

[teal fossil]

Depending on how much vers you have already

[hollow plover]

getting 1% effective stamina is fuckin massive my g

[olive nest]

[outer holly]

god I bet you're the kind of guy who would pick a 2nd door if offered a choice to swap after locking in your first pick

[teal fossil]

That 1% isn’t why you get invited

Is my point

[slow saddle]

its because feral is strong

[teal fossil]

^

[slow saddle]

and they prob think u are boomkin 😄

like if boomkin didnt exist ppl would use feral

[wary needle]

takes me on average like 1-10 min to get into a key

[olive nest]

It’ll be the same for war too until you get to the needing 14s and up wall like most of the pugs currently

When the keys actually become hard to time people get extremely picky

[wary needle]

yeah

[olive nest]

That effects all specs

[wary needle]

i kind of enjoy the feral but i realise that it is quite frustrating to get cucked by having all these super small windows and one weird movement youre out of the dotts and your dmg is tanked

[olive nest]

Just wait until you miss demolish because tank moved out of a swirl and the add chases

[wary needle]

=(

[olive nest]

Play what appeals to you the most

All specs have shortcomings

[wary needle]

Yeah i like the style of not being forced into tiny windows

[hollow plover]

except mage

[fresh spire]

[wary needle]

Does dh tank have a shortcoming??

[hollow plover]

initial threat

and not as much dmg as prot warr

[wary needle]

yeah, but it seems like the way arms have basically the demolish as their "cant fuck up this one"-thing and outside of that its pretty solid inside and outside cds?

[hollow plover]

wdym by "cant fuck up this one" ?

demolish can be fucked up

[pliant kindle]

Guys, I have a question about these situations during the single target raid fights:

1. Avatar/Trinkets are on 15s cooldown and BS is ready. Should I wait to use BS along with the CDs or should I send it without?

2. Should I always use Colossus Smash as soon as possible or should I wait to use it along with BS, for example?

[wary needle]

i mean thats the one im not allowed to fuck up, but outside of that its pretty fine just blasting

[hollow plover]

i think u only wanna hold BS for like 8secs max iirc, im sure some warriorbrain has the APL ready with what length u should hold for

lining up CS with BS is beneficial, obviously, but only if it's a similarly small cd deviation. you dont wanna hold for too long.

[wary needle]

playing frost dk for a while it was all about that breath and weird routes cucking me

[hollow plover]

right right

I mean

kinda?

[pliant kindle]

tyvm!

[wary needle]

i just get frustrated if i miss the one ability that its all based around lol

[hollow plover]

colossus arms needs a bit of spec knowledge to to perform well

[wary needle]

yeah, i dont mind that

[hollow plover]

e.g. lining up a big cleave

[wary needle]

but like frost was missing the breath you might as well not play the char for 90 sec

[hollow plover]

trust me missing demolish wont make u deal zero dps

[wary needle]

yeah

[hollow plover]

its just gonna make u feel a lil bad

[wary needle]

thats what i like about the concept of arms

going to move towards arms then, only need one weapon then hurrdurr

[hollow plover]

cleave with cds up is ur main damage most of the time

[wary needle]

ya

big

[hollow plover]

the benefit of fury is that it's extremely consistent damage

[wary needle]

thx for all the input u my hero

[hollow plover]

like EXTREMELY consistent

[wary needle]

yeah, thats what i like about it

but its also extremely consistently meh in aoe

[hollow plover]

nono it pumps in 4-8 targets

you just dont do any more with more than 5 targets

you hit 10mil in brew 15 1st pull while uhdk hits 30mil

but if you consider your average motherlode packs for example, fury kinda slaps

[wary needle]

yeah, feels like warrior is just a worse version of uhdk right now

[wide pebble]

2nd 678 for fury/ bis m+ arms weapon for when I switch to 2x duskthread next week or take the ring for arms?

[wary needle]

what does sim say?

because the ring + 2nd bis weapon might be close enough and major difference in arms

[shadow ibex]

Ring

[quasi torrent]

ratfang angle

[thick hamlet]

do you get bonuses crests for running higher level m+

[karmic wagon]

+2 crest for every level key i think

a 10 timed gives you 16

[dreamy sandal]

Yo bois, anyone see that the raider.io leaderboard is borked atm?

Cant see ranks at all

[delicate pagoda]

-_- ring or wrist

[boreal quartz]

Wrist is a good crafting slot

[fathom hollow]

i want to sim every item seperatly and not a combination, AND at max rank ilvl

[delicate pagoda]

i went for ring sems like bigger upgrade in long run

[alpine burrow]

Isn’t that literally our BIS ring?

Crit haste, it’s stated in wowhead as well

[icy mulch]

You can do that with topgear.

[teal fossil]

Vault items are always simmed separately

And for max ilevel just edit the item

[fathom hollow]

so absoultely shit

[thick hamlet]

thanks for this dan

[fathom hollow]

Is raider io broke? the lederboards are fucked

[dim basalt]

Working just fine for me

[fathom hollow]

go look at class leaderboard

its not showing 70% of peopel

[dim basalt]

oh ye something isnt right

[slow saddle]

70% banned

[wary mauve]

Game dead?

[slow saddle]

?_? Game is good

Exept arms and fury needs a buff to roar

[fresh spire]

Need to remove spear and roar and buff torments

[hexed snow]

Just buff rampage by 45% on the dot and buff Mortal strike by 45%

[slow saddle]

Haha

[latent moss]

buff cleave by 54000%

[slow saddle]

Spear should be 45sec

[hexed snow]

53888%

[sacred zodiac]

YOU ARE A VISIONARY

[lean geode]

spear should be deleted from the game

[slow saddle]

Tbh id rather take ancient aftershock

[latent moss]

ty sooing

gpsoing

spoingie

sponigie

[hexed snow]

I know actually how to fix arme

[lean geode]

I didn't play SL but people nut over this spell a bunch

[latent moss]

for a reason

[hexed snow]

It's by going to the logout button, Create new character and choose Monk class

[latent moss]

imaigne if it hit

[hexed snow]

Level it to windwalker

[latent moss]

like demolish

on 5 targets

[hexed snow]

And there u go arms warrior

First of fury is using his arms

[latent moss]

actually more than demolish

• the dot

and self pi

[lean geode]

90s cd

[latent moss]

what does spear do

[lean geode]

make me cry

[latent moss]

roar needs like 90000 targets

to deal damage

[slow saddle]

I mean spear at 45 into demo

Had a spot

[latent moss]

i mean to be honest idc

[slow saddle]

If it did some fun dmg

[latent moss]

i like the way it is now

our spells fuck

@fresh spire

top cook

[lean geode]

EP in keys 🤮

[latent moss]

idk what else to take

[smoky kayak]

Ancient Aftershock definitely wasn't more damage than Demolish; not even close

[sacred zodiac]

they need to axe slayer

[latent moss]

nostalgia then unlucky

[latent moss]

agreed

[slow saddle]

It was haste

[lean geode]

Maybe rend angle 🤔

[slow saddle]

And fun

[latent moss]

the point is to drop it chatting

idk it would be funy

funny

time to run top gear and let it find the talents

[smoky kayak]

didn't comment on fun, but it wasn't even remotely close to Demolish dam

[latent moss]

how much was the initial hit + dot assuming it hit the mob every single time

[smoky kayak]

for one thing, Demolish is used way more frequently

[slow saddle]

Yeye demo is awesomer

No doubt

[smoky kayak]

but even if you filter just a single use, Demolish usually makes up ~11% of your single target damage, while AA was more like 3%

[slow saddle]

Aa was nice mainly due to cc value

And i dno man

[smoky kayak]

I mean the biggest thing Ancient Aftershock had going for it wasn't even the crowd control, it's that it wasn't Spear, Condemn, or Banner

[lean geode]

Archi I need you to call in a favor and get them to make demolish work like fists of fury

[slow saddle]

Prob rosy glasses from all the related power

[smoky kayak]

of the four choices, it was the only one that wasn't gimmicky

[latent moss]

@tacit crystal

[slow saddle]

Condemn was øove

[smoky kayak]

you just pressed the button, got dam, and moved on with your rotation

[latent moss]

with spear

[slow saddle]

U stood in flowerbed

[lean geode]

Thoughts on moving BS to SD?

Could go crazy with EP

[latent moss]

maybe idk i need a decently high top to test first

[tardy hare]

I think mbg still has value just because of the adds on chain boss and 1st boss being 3 targets

[sacred zodiac]

what was the funny autoattack reset bug with one of the night fae soulbinds

[fresh spire]

long sweep over colat in colossus

[sacred zodiac]

i shall collat bandit

[latent moss]

top

long sweep blademasters

goes so hard

[narrow flax]

we take those

[fresh spire]

insane cook

one shot the add with max stacks surely

(more like 5%)

[sacred zodiac]

one thousand million dps

[slow saddle]

I think it was just aftershock. When it stunned it reset swingtimer so they swung clubn instsntly

[latent moss]

400 morbilion

[fresh spire]

stack it entire fight using blademasters

[tacit crystal]

how could you tell i was just about to wake up

[fresh spire]

stack area of effect and cleave whole room

[sacred zodiac]

it was not that

[fresh spire]

[slow saddle]

No wait

[sacred zodiac]

smth about kills giving you ms or smth

[latent moss]

my cook called you

[slow saddle]

It was

[latent moss]

(ur cook)

[slow saddle]

Bramble

[lean geode]

Bud it's 1pm

[slow saddle]

Wsnt it something with that tree

[tacit crystal]

i went to sleep at 5 playing wow and simming stuff uh

[latent moss]

i am inside ur walls

[tacit crystal]

ask @thick kelp

[slow saddle]

Arms flattest profile of em all. Still slapped!

[fresh spire]

fury even flatter i think

[tacit crystal]

^

im going to try that build

[latent moss]

bro fury rn

[fresh spire]

fury actually can fuck its cds up, use trinkets unaligned with bis unaligned and it does same dps

[thick kelp]

Fury flatter than my ex..

[fresh spire]

legit

[latent moss]

i cant tell if im in cds or not

damage wise

numbers are the same

[tacit crystal]

surely you move fatality into crit thinking

[latent moss]

meh

fin blows bloodsurge surely enough

[tacit crystal]

nah

[latent moss]

need to test

[tacit crystal]

ive never seen fatality do damage

[latent moss]

u havent tried spiteful serenity tom smolderon fatality i see

[tacit crystal]

huh

[latent moss]

log invalidated cause pis

[tacit crystal]

link

i want to see this cook

[lean geode]

I feel like both maybe overkill

[latent moss]

idk cba finding it

[latent moss]

no such thing

[latent moss]

i think tmy did it

[lean geode]

finB with EP makes sense but I feel like bloodsurge loses a lot of value there

[tacit crystal]

bro that guy orivate logs

gg

[latent moss]

or he failed i forgot was a long time ago

but i think be did it

wasnt worth it

[tacit crystal]

my phone didnt charge

gg

[latent moss]

gg

[latent moss]

maybe sd over bloodsurge idk didnt really analyze top gear talent sims

[lean geode]

I feel like SD clowns on BS there

Only thing BS is better for is if you get omega EB cleave resets

[latent moss]

i feel like with shaman u are fine

[lean geode]

But EB cleave resets in top are kidna whatever

[tacit crystal]

oh right i also took sd

[latent moss]

1 ct > sd and bloodsurge

drop sd for 1 ct

4k dps to take ct

over sd

[tacit crystal]

sim fatality over mbg

[lean geode]

ct probs better than sd in aoe too

[latent moss]

fatality fucks

on st

slayer blord fatality is barely behind

jugg

gonna go pug a 10 ig

see how it plays

[tacit crystal]

just send spear at 4 before cs

and force demo if not at 10

[latent moss]

ye

surely lucky eb

and i get 10 stacks fast

[tacit crystal]

i mean

crti duriny ss is 4

1 cleave is 1

you just need 2 more of the same

[latent moss]

does ss ms crit if primary crit

[lean geode]

They're independent

[latent moss]

doing an 11 instead

[lean geode]

Frozen tested it a few days ago

[latent moss]

makes sense

[tacit crystal]

gg

[smoky kayak]

yeah they've been independent ever since... early MoP I think

[latent moss]

prolly shouldve simmed cruel strikes vs piercing verdict

[smoky kayak]

there was a time where Sweep (and other similar effects) just copied damage, but it led to a lot of gimmicky interactions, like stacking debuffs on one target and sweeping them onto another

[tacit crystal]

wtf are those talents

[latent moss]

wait how does bloodcraze work did they change it

ik it was useless in aoe in s3 df

[smoky kayak]

You mean Fury bloodcraze?

[latent moss]

y

[latent moss]

spear initial dmg

vs crit and exe crit dam

[smoky kayak]

I don't think you can use that with Sweeping Strikes

[latent moss]

ye i was just wondering cause the interaction was funny

with ww cleaving

[tacit crystal]

ah i didnt sim just took double spear

[lean geode]

BC comes from RB now, not non-crit BTs

So it works how you'd expect

[tacit crystal]

i also played collat not long sweep but ls is prob better for this

[latent moss]

for top u 100% play long sweep

[smoky kayak]

Bloodcraze works differently because it's a buff on you, not a debuff on the target
It was useless in Season 3 because it was stacked and consumed by Bloodthirst itself, not RB, so you couldn't actually stack it unless you got a string of non-crits, which just ate a lot of time

[latent moss]

ig not worth

[tacit crystal]

i never want to do top on uh

[smoky kayak]

now that it's on RB, you can play it similar to the Fury S2 tier from Dragonflight - stacking up a reliable crit before pressing Bloodthirst

[tacit crystal]

im the biggest wheelchair

[lean geode]

Is UH any fun rn

[dreamy spire]

Guys, i have best in slot and house of cards. What should i use first?

[lean geode]

HoC with ava, BIS with reck in between

Wait

I'm in arms

Idk when arms is supposed to use BIS

[latent moss]

on next demolish + wb prolly

or if slayer with wb bs idk

cs bs*

[lean geode]

So with CS+BS for slayer?

Ye figured

[latent moss]

ig idk i dont have it xd

[smoky kayak]

however the whole "buff on you" thing isn't consistent anymore - notably Fierce Followthrough only triggers off the primary target, not cleaved ones

[lean geode]

Arms wants 678 over hc bis anyways innit

[latent moss]

678 over all

[minor gust]

you would just hold BIS for next CS

[lean geode]

Is this true for both arms and fury?

[smoky kayak]

yes

[lean geode]

Huh

[smoky kayak]

last I checked anyway

[icy mulch]

At least she won't suffer from back issues or furniture problems.

[lean geode]

I thought the whole logic behind BF over CC in aoe was that CC didn't gain value from multiple targets but ww cleaved BF ramp did

Back in s1

When CC was worth taking

Oh word

[dreamy spire]

So in opener i go with BIS? Charge > Rend > DR > Avatar + BIS > CS > BS?

[lean geode]

No on opener use HoC

[waxen storm]

sorry it's been asked before but I cant find any arms collosus rotation/macro ? any help please ?

[dreamy spire]

okok, thank u ❤️

[lean geode]

Not a macro but an overview of the rotation in M+ spec #arms message

Much more detail can be found on the wowhead guide, that's just a quick and dirty thing

[waxen storm]

thanks

[dreamy spire]

Oh another question: In M+, do you just pop all CDs and use Demolish anyway or do you farm some stacks/wait with burst until u have 10 stacks?

[lean geode]

In aoe you wait for 10 stacks where realistically possible, in st you send on cd (but wait for WB during execute range)

[dreamy spire]

usually i go charge > TC > DR > Avatar + WB > Demolish > Cleave, Sweeping strikes, op etc.

[lean geode]

You might send before 10 stacks in aoe if your WB will expire before the last hit or if the pack is going to die

[lean geode]

You should cleave before TC to apply deep wounds

[dreamy spire]

ah yeah, i do that, sorry ^^

charge > cleave > tc > etc

[latent moss]

@fresh spire whats the max u hold ava and cs for fatality

slayer blord fatality

[lean geode]

Walhe or Cone are gonna flay me alive if I fuck this up, but off the top of my head I think aoe opener is
charge > cleave > TC > roar > SS > ava+wb > cleave > MS ... demolish at 10 stacks

cleave > MS > OP prio in aoe

[latent moss]

ye

[tacit crystal]

yarp

god i love typing that out wverytime

i can feel myself playing arms doing it

[minor gust]

https://tenor.com/view/celebrate-weekend-vibe-friday-be-like-gif-19399428

[latent moss]

missing ravager chatting

[tacit crystal]

XDDDD

no way

[lean geode]

Oop

[minor gust]

https://tenor.com/view/captain-price-gif-11163798864566121593

[lean geode]

I'm out fellas was nice knowing you

Well

Some of you

[tacit crystal]

@lean geode theres a new warrior trial in behind the curve you missed your chance

[tacit crystal]

???

[lean geode]

I've applied to 3 guilds and none of them want warriors

[fresh spire]

like 10 seconds

[lean geode]

One of them only has one warrior and bro is straight blue parsing

[tacit crystal]

where are you searching

[lean geode]

Like get me in there over them tf

WCL and recruitment discord

[tacit crystal]

thats weird

[lean geode]

I can't raid on thursdays and most 2day guilds are tues/thurs

[minor gust]

Man I hate the process of finding a new guild

glad I havent had to do it in years now

[tacit crystal]

maybe check prog logs bc bro just doesnt die or something

[lean geode]

idk man

[tacit crystal]

me guild hopping 5 guilds in 1 tier

almost 6

[minor gust]

smh

[tacit crystal]

[lean geode]

We took 40 pulls to kill Richard Reverb and we had multiple ranged dps grey parse without dying

[minor gust]

find one that gets CE at a decent pace and you like being around

and stay there forever

[lean geode]

I don't think this guild has ever gotten CE

I've only been here since amirdrassil

[tacit crystal]

it took us 53!

[minor gust]

thats actually impressive

[lean geode]

One of our mages did 1.1m on hc cauldron without dying

[minor gust]

you have to actually try to not play the game to grey parse without dying

[lean geode]

That's less than I did on kyveza a month into last season

[tacit crystal]

lol

bro my only kyveza kill was me getting mechanic during execute and dropping jug

i wish i wiped the raid

so fucking bad

[minor gust]

shrink jugg to 5 stacks blizzard plz for fucks sake

or even cooler increase the stacks but make it not drop in combat

[dim basalt]

Does anyone know how much of a buff it would be to reduce jugg stacks to 5

[lean geode]

play fury ez

[dim basalt]

But keeping the same total % increase

[smoky kayak]

you know I was misremembering, it's not Brutal Finish, it's Fierce Followthrough that's wierd

only crits against the primary target trigger it, not cleaved crits

[lean geode]

[smoky kayak]

e.g. you can't Whirlwind -> Bloodthirst 5 targets and get a crit on any one of them to trigger Fierce

I'll have to double check that it's the same for Sweep, but I believe it is

yeah, it's still the same for Arms as well; getting a crit with the swept Mortal Strike doesn't give you Fierce Followthrough

[slow saddle]

Sawjs

[hoary inlet]

What does it mean, when mortal strike glows, or overpower?

i mean the proc, what does it do

[quaint otter]

just a reset

overpower glow might be from set

[hoary inlet]

is it me or in single target with the mplus build

we just do overepower/mortal strike/slam

?

demolish

and the rest of the cd

[dim basalt]

Thats arms in a nutshell

[minor gust]

welcome to arms

you press these 3 buttons for the rest of your life

and when in aoe you press cleave

[hoary inlet]

kk

[glacial dagger]

I'm gonna ask (I looked around), is Arms is just better than Fury atm?

[minor gust]

both are good

[hoary inlet]

On aoe, wich one i should prioritize

besides cleave

overpower or mortal strike ?

[minor gust]

Cleave > MS > OP > TC

[dim basalt]

cleave > ms > op

[drifting widget]

any advice on when to use BIS mace if u r running an on use trinket?

[minor gust]

on ur next cs

[drifting widget]

rgr

[hoary inlet]

always those 4 on aoe then, thanks bud

[minor gust]

at 2T it will be MS > OP > CLEAVE

[hoary inlet]

i needed that too, i was confused if i had to do the all aoe prio too

Ty

[dim basalt]

And if you wanna minmax, its ms > cleave > op if ravager is out

Arms doesnt have a lot of buttons but a lot of conditionals

[minor gust]

essentially at 2T cleave replaces slam thanks to FOB and if your playing the colossus M+ build execute replaces slam aswell

[dreamy spire]

really? MS over OP? Thought OP > MS to buff Cleave

[sour girder]

Why the fuckety fuck does chewe's pushback cancel demolish

[dreamy spire]

do you delay WB for Demo?

[sour girder]

instead of demolish countering the pushback

[dreamy spire]

Or delay Demof or WB?

[lean geode]

MS > OP to stack demolish faster

Also MS kinda trucks

[lean geode]

No

[lean geode]

Only during single target in execute range

[dreamy spire]

ah yeah, makes sense

Thank u

[lean geode]

🫡

[dreamy spire]

[drifting widget]

one more question: best way to Lock-&-Stalk? bind it to MS or something?

[lean geode]

it's passive innit

[oblique jewel]

yo guys! what trinket combo would u run in m+. Pacemaker + priory trinket or pacemaker + mechano-core amplifier?

all trinkets are 665

[drifting widget]

Tooltip says 'Use: recallibrate for mass destruction'

[teal fossil]

This is the 3rd person in 24 hours that asked about lock n stock

[dim basalt]

Make it 4

[teal fossil]

It’s a toggle between st and aoe

[drifting widget]

ahh

[lean geode]

pacemaker amplifier one hundo p

[hushed pine]

Is Warbreaker still worth picking anymore? I've seen some aoe builds using CS

[oblique jewel]

respect big g

[lean geode]

In keys absolutely

[latent moss]

always as colossus

[hushed pine]

Thanks

[somber lance]

is there a big diff between using tclap and rend on ST?

[minor gust]

besides rend doing more dmg no

[somber lance]

BIG DIFF?

[somber lance]

my king

[brazen falcon]

How are people using signet of the priory with the 2m CD? Just sending it on CD?

[teal fossil]

Is this linkedin

[lean geode]

why is bro applying to 8s and 12s

[west oracle]

Hello everyone, what would be the best 2nd item to craft after the weapon? For mythic+

[olive nest]

Bro just wants to play the game SMH

[minor gust]

you can send it with your 30 sec cds

until it eventually aligns with ava again

[shadow ibex]

I've traded so many signets

[brazen falcon]

Thanks big dawg!

[spiral coral]

Your pfp is goated

that’s all I wanted to say

[brazen falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/lovyyn-bro-party-time-party-party-on-gif-23716179

[vague mortar]

Hi I'm news to Arms and I've looked for a Juggernaut WA (I want to be able to track the stacks) but I don't see any on WAGO, anyone can help me?

[waxen storm]

@lean geode thanks for the rota, whats the filler waiting for 10 stack into demolish ?

[lean geode]

cleave > MS > OP probs

[slow saddle]

Faq

https://discord.com/channels/148872210742771712/1237303208754286715

Its right there m8

[orchid ledge]

During execute phase in colo arms should I execute>op>ms>exe>op>ms etc?
And want would be the WA that helps with slayer arms execute rotation?

[lean geode]

With or without EP?

[orchid ledge]

I don't think colo arms has ep in my talents

For m+

[slow saddle]

Then exe takes spot of slam

Nothing else

[lean geode]

Without EP it's just MS > OP > exe > slam

[tacit crystal]

does execute at 20 rage do more than slam

as colo

[minor gust]

its something you can take for slightly more ST

dont hurt me Archi

[smoky kayak]

default UI glows way too much tbh, if you're like me and prefer using traditional bars over WA packages, I highly recommend using the Hide Button Glow addon to remove most of them

and then you can manually add back any glows you do want with some more specific WAs

[smoky kayak]

I actually ran a few 2x BB keys the other day, and weirdly enough I found myself rage starving more often

I'll try some 1bb/1bsurge this week

[minor gust]

Yeah I usually default to 1BB 1 BS now even with a shaman sometimes

[smoky kayak]

yeah this was without Shaman

[fresh spire]

i play 1 BS 1 bb

[smoky kayak]

I agree with you that EP doesn't add a whole lot, but I do kinda enjoy having Finishing Blow just for that periodic extra rage - we'll see if Surge has the same feel for me

[shadow ibex]

its pretty close

[minor gust]

I like Critcakes perspective on FB it only helps for execute rage economy but with exe being treated as slam thats not really a problem. Most rage starve just comes from being incredibly lucky with EB procs and being unlucky in other areas at the same time. Which Bloodsurge kinda helps because its rage gen all around instead of sub 35%

[smoky kayak]

weapons don't exist

[smoky kayak]

idk, cause you still have AoE cleave situations where a target is <35%, allowing you to generate rage without actually using Execute

sure some of it is RNG on how many resets you get, whether you have a Shaman, even how much crit you have (mine is very low), but I just found it overall noticeably smoother to play than 2x BB

[minor gust]

hmmmm I should experiment more then with 1BB + 1 FB instead

[shadow ibex]

ive had FB locked in all patch p much in m+

[smoky kayak]

and being a player who really doesn't give a shit about performance in +10-13 keys for weekly vault, it's not something I really felt was worth the effort - I hate feeling rage starved

however, BSurge probably is a comparable alternative, if not even better

[minor gust]

same worst feeling in the game which is why rage balance is hard and why I think they should start over with a fresh look

[smoky kayak]

it is difficult, yeah - too little is a problem, too much is a problem, just right is a really hard needle to thread

[minor gust]

mhmm

especially when theres so many different sources that contribute to rage gen

[latent moss]

surge is really nice

prevents starving in aoe when u get a bunch of exhil procs

[minor gust]

yeah maybe ill start trying FB more see if I can find something I like better FB or BS

[smoky kayak]

oddly surge simmed even lower than FB when I looked, though I don't put much stock in that - likely just a quirk of the APL

[peak jacinth]

The funniest part of that isn't all the declines. Pugging is a tough ole world. It's all the declines from 10, 11, 12s ... and then the decline from the FIVE! hahahaha gg

[smoky kayak]

ngl I think I've been declined for lower keys more than higher ones

not that I queue for +5 very often, but of the times I have for w/e reason they're always super picky

[wintry arch]

I’d reckon it’s intimidating

Inviting someone who’s timed all 10s to your 5

[lean geode]

bsurge owns

[faint fog]

That's just a meme from Facebook boys lol

[junior jetty]

Can i ask which site is best to learn arms rotation ? as a noob there is too much site has wow info so i am getting confused

[minor gust]

any of the guides sites linked in here https://discord.com/channels/148872210742771712/1237303208754286715 will help you

[tepid arrow]

turned out the fix was to queue for an Arena skirmish. I suspect a 'hidden' debuff I had from a quest/zone phasing. queue for said skirmish probably removed said debuff

glad I'm no longer a dk wheelchair and can leap once again haha

[bleak skiff]

Hey quick question about simming some trinkets. I have season 1 639 Mark of Khardros and Skarmorak Shard that sims very high for M+ dungeon cleave over Maxed Heroic Seaforium/Rever Radio/Lock-n-stalk. Are those 2 trinkets from season 1 bugged for simming or is it just Arms wants a lot of mastery for M+ colossus?

[dim basalt]

Arms generally wants some mastery but it has even more value in aoe ye

[smoky kayak]

there's also just a lot of AoE value w/ trinkets that naturally align with CDs in general

639 mark > max seaforium sounds a bit sus though, I would think it more likely that you use the two together

w/ mark then being replaced by another on-use or high ilevel trinket

[fathom hollow]

is arms single target on m+ just bound to be dogshit

or am i doing something wrong

[dim basalt]

Its alright

[fathom hollow]

feel like im lacking damage on 15s

idk

[minor gust]

Arms ST in M+ is pretty mid but not as bad as something like an ele

[smoky kayak]

pretty low yeah, Colossus is a multitarget focused build

if you want more boss dam, play Fury

if you want both, play Ret or Unholy

[fresh spire]

if you:

[bleak skiff]

Ah okay good to know, yeah I meant Mark/Shard with Seaforium is best the sim says over the other trinkets.

[upbeat gust]

Hey guys, hope this is the right place to ask this, just joined. Trying to learn Arms in M+ im usually a Prot main. I noticed while my dmg is competitive on bosses its bad on trash. I think i might be mixed up on my priority during sweeping strikes. Since we talent into fervor of battle are slams from that being duplicated during SS windows? Would that mean i use Cleave during SS over Mortal Strike or is there a certain target count that makes cleave > mortal strike during the SS buff.

[fresh spire]

cleave when 3+

[upbeat gust]

Gotcha. Is cleave when 3+ the golden rule for both in and out of sweeping strikes being up ?

[sharp rivet]

guys for m+ focus what do you think about ascendance/writhing vs duskthread/duskthread (i play prot too and might play fury in future so i guess this makes more sense than dawnthread?)

[astral yarrow]

slam duskthread and dont think about it again

[sharp rivet]

cool

sorry, is it dusthread writhing or duskthread x2?

[latent moss]

x2

[reef glade]

writhing does nothing without ascension

[astral yarrow]

i didnt even understand the question before you answered

[reef glade]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/711337973274378270/1351661682044305564/MVSNG.gif

[hollow wave]

Sometimes I feel arms faster than fury, but I guess is only the feel of more buttons to press

[tacit crystal]

im not him @sacred zodiac

[sacred zodiac]

fuck

this proves nothing

[tacit crystal]

how can there be 2

?

[swift crown]

THAT'S NOT REAL GALASTRONK

[sacred zodiac]

you have no proof

surrender

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1203911309490389054/1353965654742401034/ezgif-1949e2f991073c.gif

[tacit crystal]

the proof is there cant be 2

[sacred zodiac]

@dawn stag

[tacit crystal]

i broke my chat tab though

i put it behind my cell unit frame

and minimized it by accident

[quasi torrent]

why are dualboxing

in 2025

[tacit crystal]

im not

[quasi torrent]

this is u

if u dont stop lying this instant

[tacit crystal]

you'll never catch me

[terse plume]

was the order of upgrade priority Weapon, trinkets, armor starting with big pieces, neck, rings? something like that? I swear there was a list in the guides I just couldnt seem to find it

[sacred zodiac]

simulationcraft it!!!

[terse plume]

I know was just looking for the rough order lol Im lazy and dont wanna sim all the things XD but fair point lol

[dawn stag]

Who called me

[chilly isle]

Seeing this makes me excited for 1AB prog

[dawn stag]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1203911309490389054/1353965654742401034/ezgif-1949e2f991073c.gif

[chilly isle]

Even though im sure our guild wont kill it before nerfs

:D

[minor gust]

My guess Slayer will end up being the play as the boss is nerfed more and we get stronger

[fresh spire]

battelord rise up

[latent moss]

battlelord rise up

[minor gust]

https://tenor.com/view/solo-leveling-arise-solo-leveling-arise-gif-4562500486549573462

[reef glade]

https://i.redd.it/fy6asa05bcpe1.gif?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

why is shark eep.

[sweet anchor]

Heyya does sweeping strikes make demo hit 2 targets? i know demo naturally cleaves but i mean the primary target damage

[quaint otter]

first few hits yes

[sweet anchor]

ohhhh, so ALWAYS have sweeping up ffor demo, got it

[reef glade]

its good extra damage but not like inherently required

demo is like a one two single target swing then the third slam down

and sweep will make the one two hit a second target, both also count to building collateral which is nice

but in like 15 mobs you dont have to wait for sweeping to send a demo to blow them up if you dont have it

[dawn stag]

Fucked up

[reef glade]

honk mimimimimimi

[hollow solar]

whats the general stat prio look like for arms? in terms of percentages

[tacit crystal]

ask the robot

you can play it with fury gear

[teal fossil]

40/40/10/10

[fresh spire]

holy

the grail

[maiden notch]

Is it worth to sim colossus arms for dungeon slice ?

[fresh spire]

none are worth siming for dungeon slice

[maiden notch]

Usually I just simmed single target slayer arms and ran with whatever

[fresh spire]

Cooldowns on the APL aren't set up to hold/use with new trash packs cleanly on sims

mostly made purely for max patchwork

[maiden notch]

I’ve had seasontitle on warrior last season. So it’s not like I am not capable. But somehow I feel like I don’t feel enough dmg. When comparing myself to some streaming warriors

And I wonder if they sin for dungeonsloce and that this is maybe the reason

[fresh spire]

nah dungeon slice wouldn't influence how they play, it's purely down to time they have to play and just their skill, doing a key 50 times will make you learn things no video can teach you both about how that key will play out for your class and how you press your cds from pack to pack, Feel craft is pretty strong when it comes to this kinda stuff. You can likely get alot of tips and hints from streamers that may not always be represented sims

[minor gust]

hence proper collateral dmg usage

[fresh spire]

Colat is a kiss curse

as much as i love it sometime you play with a dh and feel pain

😄

[minor gust]

lmao yeah

we suffer with the bugged vdh tanks

[fresh spire]

its pretty fun to ramp it up on an end of a pack to take 11-13 stacks into the next pack with full cds

big cleave moment huge jump on meter feels gudman

cleave into a natty demolish

[minor gust]

may favorite pull is the one right after first boss in priory

build a fat collateral on boss into a pull the whole room with all cds

[charred shoal]

😮

whats the best specs to play alongside arms in m+

[tacit crystal]

best case would be full phys comp

[minor gust]

monk shaman druid

[fresh spire]

give arms pi

[charred shoal]

what does the monk provide, and druid outside of vers buff

[fresh spire]

feed a warrior for a day

give warrior monk buff and pi

feed a warrior for life

pi and colossus feel really nice

having very low haste on gear to having tier/bl up

[minor gust]

monk gives a physically dmg buff opposite of DH druid gives vers buff

shaman = skyfury

all 3 buffs good for increasing your dmg

[fresh spire]

shaman, maybe

skyfury at least in colossus doens't feel anywhere near as important now execute died

But still nice none the less

[minor gust]

still mastery increase

[fresh spire]

1% dmg

well

[minor gust]

HUGE

[fresh spire]

its more right

as its 1% mastery points not %

[quaint otter]

its 2 mastery points

[minor gust]

isnt it 2% mastery?

[fresh spire]

ye ^

someone knew better lets goo

[quaint otter]

% means mastery points here

therefore fuck mastery points system

[minor gust]

still nice too cover rare rage starve moments thanks to extreme EB rng

[fresh spire]

me when eb

i still play with Bloodsurge>bb

surger man

https://tenor.com/view/kitty-cat-arrives-reversed-scared-gif-13702309

[minor gust]

yeah same

[fresh spire]

you do defo get situations where you can starve

[minor gust]

im pretty much defaulted now to 1 bloodsurge

[fresh spire]

But its sooooo much cleaner compared to s1

colossus if it got its ST repair from the execute CM nerf would have fucked too hard imo

[minor gust]

.5 patch we pray

🙏

[shadow ibex]

not like you could afford to cast exe much

i cant imagine it would lead to multiple more demo casts over a fight

[quaint otter]

yes.

make demo.

[shadow ibex]

exe still gonna do like 400k dmg as col and even if it gave CM we'd probably find out thru APL still better to OP with tier etc etc etc

[sleek remnant]

Guys, I'm just returning to arms, can someone tell me what the prio with MS, execute and cleave are?

Do we prio MS over Execute in the execute phase now?

[minor gust]

3+ Cleave > MS > OP > TC
2T MS > OP > CLEAVE
ST MS > OP >SLAM/EXE

[quaint otter]

funny time

exe negative damage

bs negative damage

peak arms game

[sleek remnant]

thanks, exactly the summary I was looking for

[minor gust]

fine with no execute dmg in colossus M+

[quaint otter]

yeppers

[sleek remnant]

so MS is king right now

[quaint otter]

400k exe

into 2.5kk op

[minor gust]

in the colossus M+ build yeah

in ST

[sleek remnant]

and what about slayer ST?

[minor gust]

3+ cleave is king

Slayer is completety different

[shadow ibex]

Idc about how much it does but it's weird how it just does nothing

Ep is too bad to prop it up

[minor gust]

and a lot more for me to type out so check out any of the guides here https://discord.com/channels/148872210742771712/1237303208754286715

[sleek remnant]

alright cool

[shadow ibex]

And to make it hit hard you gotta invest in jug

[sleek remnant]

one last question, for M+ colossus, you hold demo for 10 stacks or send on CD?

[shadow ibex]

And 2 ct

[minor gust]

in aoe hold for 10 stacks you can send early if the CS debuff is about to fall off or a bunch of mobs will die before you 10 stack demo

ST you can just send demo immediatly dont need to wait for stacks