Ewwwww
#arms
rare blade
Is skippers still better than windsingers? or is the guide just outdated
minor gust
how do we have almost the exact same character
LOL we do
boreal quartz
how do we have almost the exact same character
Both have a meh mog too
Crazy coincidence
boreal quartz
I kinda do
minor gust
Both have a meh mog too
boreal quartz
https://tenor.com/view/hasbulla-hasbik-cute-meme-influencer-gif-21732737
Fix ur boots bro
My hunter is 640
My warrior is uh
charred brook
im about to steal frozens mog lowkey
boreal quartz
4 set and i didnt pick vault from last week yet cuz i forgot
minor gust
Fix ur boots bro
but the only other boots I have that would fit is part of the same set cant have to many of one set!
tmog 101
red oar
pacemaker is still good right
boreal quartz
but the only other boots I have that would fit is part of the same set cant have...
Use elite version stop complaints
Ez
minor gust
yeah but that requires pvp and pvp is lame
boreal quartz
pacemaker is still good right
So is that neck tho
balmy kindle
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/gPfADyiUyNeHt4svho8rVy
interesting game tells me to take myth chest at 1.3 %
red oar
So is that neck tho
stats on it seem shit
minor gust
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/gPfADyiUyNeHt4svho8rVy
interesting game ...
because you already have a 675 wep
balmy kindle
aye, guess its chest imma take.
suprisingly for all the hype, lock and stalk is a 0.2 upgrade at 665
red oar
haste mast
boreal quartz
Good stats then wdym
red oar
arent we crit haste
red oar
im retired i dont sim anymore
boreal quartz
Good item
nova marsh
A 2g upgrade from one is always big
charred brook
arent we crit haste
this exact necked simmed BiS for me at mythic max
granted i already have a m pacemaker so
that prob factors in
but the neck is great
red oar
o well
midnight lily
Is it normal that, even though i have a crafted 2h wep, i dont get the discount as arms to upgrade another too 675?
charred brook
when did u craft
midnight lily
RIght now
opal nexus
Is it normal that, even though i have a crafted 2h wep, i dont get the discount ...
it should, i upgraded another wep with just stones
tiny dock
olive night
its a really big red button
naive sage
Humongous, even
pliant kindle
how do you guys SIM for M+ scenario? 5 patchwerk 5mins or what?
gentle frigate
What sims would u guys run for each fight in the raid?
reef glade
for arms like every fight is effectively st patchwerk so fine to just do that
like you might bladestorm on fights with adds n stuff ofc but dont rly need to worry about simming around the best way to optimize that
gentle frigate
So wouldx you just run slayer for all the fights
reef glade
pretty much i think ppl have been doin colo on one armed bandit tho that may be more for mythic rather than heroic
tbh idek why they like insist on it on mythic assume just cuz like you wanna sweeping demolish burst an add down fast tho cant imagine its much different than just having a bs for it
reef glade
when sim says to
minor gust
colossus is nice for the adds on OAB but I expect that to change by the time avg CE guilds get to OAB
I doubt adds will be a problem a month from now
reef glade
circlet is just a stat ring atp so when you get another ring and its stats sim higher
pliant kindle
colossus is nice for the adds on OAB but I expect that to change by the time avg...
how do you SIM for M+?
quiet violet
Pacemaker is simming worse than suspicious energy drink for me. Am I doing something dumb?
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/b8T8R6PxnuQU5tH3oG3abx
minor gust
how do you SIM for M+?
ST patchwork then 5t patchwork then make an educated decision what you wanna prio
pliant kindle
ST patchwork then 5t patchwork then make an educated decision what you wanna pr...
ty!
dense vector
might have too much crit
minor gust
let the robot decide that
dense vector
hes still thinking
reef glade
give me some
lean geode
Pay the robot more money so it can think faster
reef glade
now
minor gust
Post crit % swordish you betta not be at 9% still
reef glade
me when like 3 bis raid items are heavy mast haste
thank you jastor diamond for being half of my mastery
minor gust
Jastors is trash for me
lean geode
Aren't you arms one trick tho
minor gust
eh I play fury on prog if its clearly better
reef glade
demolish go brr
lean geode
Nah all my homies hate demolish
minor gust
ive been passing on myth track cauldron ring and rik Neck cuz I was playing fury for stix
lean geode
Swordish I demand you find me a CE 2 day guild that raids on mon/tue/wed immediately
minor gust
thought I was gonna play fury for sprocket too but idc its close enough
currently playing arms for sprocket
lean geode
My fury hc allstars was 24 last week and I'm almost out of the top 100
lean geode
thought I was gonna play fury for sprocket too but idc its close enough
I feel like there are no actual dps checks until maybe mugzee
Or OAB add dps checks ig
minor gust
yeah I plan on arms rest of the tier
minor gust
I feel like by the time we get to Gallywix it wont matter what you play
and maybe nerfs happen who knows
lean geode
There's some colossus cookage for gally I think
minor gust
just like with Ansurek
lean geode
I think it's probably dogshit though
minor gust
I played arms for Ansurek prog because we didnt need 2 fury warriors
reef glade
i mean isnt mythic gally way more single target than heroic
only like the first lil bit is adds right
minor gust
think so
reef glade
also less adds theyre just giga big
reef glade
bro played of
minor gust
then he got benched soooooo
lean geode
then he got benched soooooo
That was like 75 pulls later 
minor gust
lean geode
He also tried col but ended up back on default AM slurry
Well ended up on bench
But before that
minor gust
I just feel like colossus is parse bait on any of the fights its being played besides OAB
reef glade
even oab is elegiggle
your 7 shadow priests and afflocks are killin adds
youre just bshout passenger princess executing boss
lean geode
your 7 shadow priests and afflocks are killin adds
My brother in christ my guidls ranged dps are incapable of killing anything other than their fellow raiders
minor gust
I can see the reason for it in the last few weeks but after nerfs and as we get more raid buffs and gear I think colossus on OAB is a meme
demo has nice upfront 2t dmg
bladestorm does nothing
reef glade
more mortal strikege 
minor gust
the great tickle spin
I cant wait to be an ethical boy and run slayer arms on stix
me a good boy tonight
dense vector
why is strength stinky? think i need to be smart and not strong
reef glade
minor gust
just use droptomizer
reef glade
i mean its ok to know what to like "search for" but yea its not like gospel
i think that happens every xpac tho
eventually u get high enough ilvl and secondaries become more important than main stat
unkempt tundra
do you guys consider arms and warrior in general fun? i wanna main a plate melee dps spec but ret gets boring quickly and dk is not really my fantasy preference so it leaves me with war (was thinking more in going arms but idk)
minor gust
Fun is subjective I think its fine right now but not my favorite version of arms
reef glade
for a curveball second opinion this maybe the best arms has felt in m+ ever for me
at least last like several years
may be more to thanks tuning than actual playstyle but seeing a demo do 50m on a buncha mobs and you shoot up several mill dps in 1 button press
mwah chefs kiss
there are still shit things about it tho ofc
minor gust
colossus M+ is very satisfying yeah but demo is a mixed bag you love and hate that shit sometimes
reef glade
but yea i mean raid its like always the same
minor gust
having strong 30 sec cds is really nice
reef glade
dont think arms has been special in any way in raid for the longest time other than yknow it does execute stuff
yea i think that is the best part about it
you have pretty significant damage almost every pack
unlike fury "oh wow i put down a ravager"
"yippee spin weapon"
tacit crystal
you have pretty significant damage almost every pack
what do i take from vault
reef glade
idk use robot
minor gust
I think DF arms was way way better in raid than TWW arms
even when we were doing cringe IP
reef glade
yea i mean s3 tier was sick
and ngl ip was like sure a bit annoyin but who cares
macro that shit to op or somethin
gg
unkempt tundra
ye tbh i do way more m+ than raiding so ye
tacit crystal
they killed ip in s3
reef glade
ya
tacit crystal
bring back tom
minor gust
This iteration of arms needs BL and EB to feel anything in raid why slayer is so fucking boring atleast it has EB now but no BL I sleep on gameplay
No warlords torment on CS and no SOS WW make shit so boring too
manic river
Low for 652? (capped right now until new week)
teal fossil
Yeah 2 mil seems low for anything but st
manic river
This is dungeon slice
reef glade
amphoreus relic powerful
lean geode
Yeah that seems kinda low but if that's what top gear tells you to use then it is what it is
fresh spire
amphoreus relic powerful
sus
manic river
no no it's not top
charred brook
Donāt use dungeonnslice
manic river
it's just what I have
charred brook
Use like 8 target 3 mins or something
manic river
then what do I use for multi?
charred brook
I mean honestly i just sim ST
dapper plank
Thunderclap to apply rend on ST yah or nay?
minor gust
run a dropto for hero track dungeon gear and get to farming
charred brook
for warrior whatās good in st is mostly good for aoe too
reef glade
Thunderclap to apply rend on ST yah or nay?
rend better pure st
but if there are gonna be adds ever most dont bother and just leave tclap there
but yea def rend on like sprocket or somethin at least
minor gust
but yea def rend on like sprocket or somethin at least
or be me and still not bother
dapper plank
yeah like pure ST ill do it, just wondering if its worth actually having 2 binds or just switch it out
manic river
How do i put 8 targets like that?
manic river
run a dropto for hero track dungeon gear and get to farming
Can i sim for all dungeon gear? I can only see picking 1
TBF in practice i do closer to 2.5 mil overall in dungeons
Maybe that's decent
minor gust
reef glade
me when you need raidbots premium for that
minor gust
dafuck u need raidbots premium for this?
manic river
Yeah Im looking at that, but I cannot select all
minor gust
cringe idk buy raid bots premium or sim one at a time
lean geode
raidbots is like $3 a month or something
manic river
It's 2.5 mil decent in dungeon at my i lvl at least?
reef glade
yea its aight
lean geode
Like on details overall?
reef glade
depends a lot on dungeon and tank pulls
lean geode
It's fine
manic river
yeah
reef glade
but its not like abysmal by any means
manic river
I feel like there is something lacking with my warrior but I cannot tell what
lean geode
I cranked 2.5m on my 635 dh last night in a 10 meadery
manic river
It has been like that for quite a while
reef glade
idk i mean 652 it is just kinda a lot of ilvl
the like "top people" are prolly around 670 this week
maybe little higher/lower depending on how much mythic gear they get
minor gust
im about to be 668
reef glade
im just under 666
minor gust
reef glade
havent done anything this week yet tho
manic river
I just don't what I do wrong, I don't know any friend that plays arms
reef glade
yea i mean 2.5m dps dont think ur doin anything abhorrently wrong
minor gust
if your unsure watch a really good warrior player and compare what they are doing to yourself
reef glade
imagine theres room for improvements in some spots but sounds like ur hittin buttons pretty decent enough
minor gust
you can watch Critcake or Bizentein
reef glade
yea watchin streamer do keys can help
manic river
I have watched Crit before but i cannot get that much extra info from it
I don't know, maybe I don't position myself well enough to use cleave?
minor gust
its hard for us to help you just from overall numbers
manic river
i'm lacking in stacks too
minor gust
missing cleaves will hurt your dmg
reef glade
yea if you dont wanna be like in the middle of a buncha mobs
somewhere near the edge of a bunch facing in to try and cleave the most you can
manic river
Yeah but i don't know what to do when the tank is moving around and two groups of ads move differently etc
reef glade
eh just kinda wait till they gather if he's pulling multiple
they should eventually stack up probably
you can do like small cleaves here and there assuming he did enough aggro/dmg to them
manic river
Yeah the problem is by then the ranged buddies have been doing damage for 5+ seconds
reef glade
but dont pop cds till theyre all situated
teal fossil
Yeah the problem is by then the ranged buddies have been doing damage for 5+ sec...
Not really no
They still need the mobs to group up
manic river
I just sometimes feel like if I wait more I will be just loosing dps to anyone else
urban iron
Arms is pretty dependent on pull sizing and positioning
You are never gonna outdps an equally skilled ret pally or dk
You just arenāt
urban iron
If the tank is pulling large packs (10+ mobs) and those mobs are getting blasted you wonāt outdps them
manic river
So waiting for those big groups and positioning myself properly on the edge is pretty important
urban iron
Iām saying your aoe is partially capped so donāt expect to beat uncapped classes if youāre doing big pulls
minor gust
depending on tank while your waiting for things to grp you can pop SS and start building collateral stacks
would not do this with a VDH tho
urban iron
Ret has the same cap we do no
No I donāt think it scales like ours
reef glade
vdh aggro aware
urban iron
Also they have cds far more often
reef glade
Ours are 30 sec wha
urban iron
Avatar aināt 30 seconds lol
manic river
What would be better to get more detailed info of my charac so people can help me a bit'
?
urban iron
Huge amount of our burst is locked behind Ava/reck interaction
minor gust
arms keeps up with and beats ret just fine
urban iron
You must be playing with some bum ass rets or doing smaller pulls then
reef glade
donāt think arms is anywhere near as cd reliant as fury
Sure it helps but like you only need like 5 seconds of a sweeping to build a demo in aoe
And can slam that shit with warbreaker
urban iron
Iām not a god tier warrior but if I pull out 3m+ and the ret is at 4+ thatās prob not a skill issue
reef glade
and that big juicy collat
gaunt owl
Depending on number of target it could favor a spec too
manic river
So you don't find waiting those extra seconds without attacking for the ads to group with the tank bad or awkward in general?
As long as you enter properly
minor gust
im right behind and or beat equal skill lvl and ilvl rets all the time
idk what to tell you
reef glade
Surely cinderbrew dps is real
idk why I didnāt take ss of everyone else doe
think was just seeing breakdown
3 button spec yepge
reef glade
So you don't find waiting those extra seconds without attacking for the ads to g...
I mean depends how long it takes tho usually only like 3-5 seconds of waiting isnāt that bad
Longer than that I may start to get annoyed but like
gentle frigate
WTF is hectic cleave fight? Like what is an instance of that
reef glade
way more worth to blast all the mobs at the same time
manic river
Yeah
minor gust
WTF is hectic cleave fight? Like what is an instance of that
something not worth using
reef glade
There isnāt really one donāt think stix is prolly the closest but even his adds are spread pretty far apart
maybe vexie but those adds are pretty inconsequential too
Heroic gally closest I would think shit ton of adds but yea you never rly need to bother simming it
teal fossil
So you don't find waiting those extra seconds without attacking for the ads to g...
Just walk around with the tank
Donāt pop cds
Just press op cleave tc
reef glade
yea itās cool to hit buttons on adds assuming they were hit by the tank and not just social tagged and have 0 threat on them
Just donāt start poppin roar and war breaker and everything until theyāre all together
dense vector
let the robot decide that
robot decided and has freed me from circlet prison
reef glade
yet you seemed to have gained more mastery than beforeā¦ quizzicalā¦
dense vector
yea i lost crit gained mastery
reef glade
wicked
minor gust
prob because his windsinger gem was giving him crit
dense vector
yea
dense vector
it was also changing my crafted stuff from crit haste to haste mastery
the robot told me to
proper atlas
Yo what are some good weak auras that track everything you need with arms
void bay
Yo what are some good weak auras that track everything you need with arms
I just use luxthos
manic river
In fact itās a dps up to walk around
I see, I will try to implement it sometimes
deep moth
So I'm not getting good usage of my collateral damage proc
how do I make it better?
I feel like I'm losing out on dps because of it.
I've read it and I try to maximize my cleave usage during sweeping strikes on all aoe
am I reading it wrong?
reef glade
You want to make as many of your hits sweep during the sweeping as possible
Meaning u wanna hit all your stuff that doesnāt apply to it before (like just regular aoe abilities)
So youād walk up like thunder clap roar and then Ava / sweep / warbreaker and start slinging mortal strikes and cleaves and overpowers
Wb after sweeping is like a loss of 1 global in the sweep but better I think to be doing more dmg in the wb
but after sweep drops is when you have a giga cleave that is stronger for every hit you swept
and cleave sweeps slams from fervor of battle
so when u see like 2 sec remaining on sweep I sometimes double OP to have the 2 stacks ready for the giga cleave as soon as itās available
deep moth
so when I'm ready to use sweep, basically push as many buttons as possible to get that giga cleave
within rotation of course
reef glade
Yea itās not how much cleave you hit in sweep just how much of any ability you hit to buff the cleave after it ends
which is pretty much just ms/cleave/op
deep moth
ahhhhh
reef glade
but yea I just slam all of those on cd basically in aoe anyway
deep moth
I thought it meant try to cleave as much as possible
reef glade
Cleave prolly being highest Prio for damage but MS builds demo stacks way faster
deep moth
thanks for the info, I appreciate it
reef glade
š«”
Merciless bone grinder maybe is what u were thinking of
That kinda says āyou have 9 seconds to press 50% buffed cleaves after you put down ravagerā which you sorta should on cd anyway just you will be hitting other buttons in the mix of that too
deep moth
No when I read the tip for sweep I thought it meant push cleave a lot
but it's funny to realize there is a talent for that
olive night
if you use rav with about 8 seconds left on SS you can get a fat cleave with collat damage and bonegrinder
somber lance
do we actually use slam in the rotation? also positioning isnt important anymore for overpower since we dont use dreadnaught in m+?
a bit odd we don't use dreadnaught tbh....
junior quail
is slayer viable in TOP
somber lance
cleave instead of slam?
fresh spire
Slam when st
somber lance
i use tclap to fish for OP procs
minor gust
somber lance
i hate slam
fresh spire
slam owns
if you hate slam now
you would have hated slam last expansion holy
never forget S2 slam set
junior quail
i hate slam
u can do what our previous warrior did, just rend instead of slam xD
somber lance
i didnt use slam last xpac
minor gust
Slam does way more dmg than it did in DF
somber lance
i think i onnly played arms s3 tho
somber lance
i remember just using tclap instead of slam
can someone explain why we dont play DN?
more ST damage?
lean geode
can someone explain why we dont play DN?
Yeah because it fucking stinks
It's bad in both ST and AOE
lean geode
I think Fishy did find it was very very slightly ahead in 5+ targets with a different APL
Yes they nerfed it I think going into 11.0
somber lance
ah okay it's a tuning thing
lean geode
DN owned though, wish it was better
somber lance
it was kinda cool to position around the packs to minmax it
onyx jetty
How good is funhouse lens really? Cording to sims its better than both Improvised seaforium pacemaker and mechano-core amp
dim basalt
How good is funhouse lens really? Cording to sims its better than both Improvise...
Its as good as it sims (shocker)
latent yew
hi all,im switching to arms to try out,could anyone please tell me what weak auras i should get for tracking,ty for info(got rend and execution)
calm hollow
If you are new to arms, you dont even need anything else
Maybe track opportunist
And you are good
somber lance
do we sweeping strikes before ravager because of unhinged?
shadow ibex
You still can it's not really a thing to optimize
daring heron
doesn't feel too weak as a filler and it's not being pressed that often really
slow saddle
Y slam is slammin
shadow ibex
Apl just sends on cd
Sweeping i mean
Just play blademaster and get to cosplay as having extended sweeping
upper sundial
what is the opener for aoe as arms ?
somber lance
is demolish affected by ss?
need a list of abilities that are affected by ss
ah it's only ST so MS and OP and slam
somber lance
okay
slow saddle
So u want ss up if possible
latent yew
And opportunist and u gucci
opportunist is something with tier set ?
latent yew
neither,i jsut want to try it
somber lance
shall i wait for avatar most of the time to line up with CS?
slow saddle
neither,i jsut want to try it
Yes but in what content and with which hero class?
latent yew
slayer
ruby frost
just did the floodgate, felt rly bad
im new to arms...and struggling giga hard š¦
idk
0 deaths run, 34 sec left KEKW
and so far, im understand that im clearly dont understand something, for sure
any ideas? š
oak quartz
Rerol Dk
ruby frost
im war andy bruh
nova marsh
Honestly that's not bad dam
minor gust
Tune into Critcakes stream and compare your gameplay to his
we cant really help you from a dmg breakdown
oak quartz
No chance vs Dk
ruby frost
okey first things first - i cant do more then 9-10mil dmg on first pull
unless its ML or Cinderbrew
nova marsh
Yeah udk is just extremely busted
ruby frost
even in Priory - cant do 10m
where @daring heron this mistah doing like 16m or something
in cinderbrew i saw him - 26m
dim basalt
Priory is prob the best dungeon for big numbers
fathom hollow
is it better to SS mortal strike spam when there is 5 targets
or just overpower cleave
minor gust
3+ cleave > MS > op > TC
ruby frost
1 issue for sure, i have 20k mastery on arms
KEKW
so much gear from 10s - yet nothing fit arms š¦
sacred zodiac
don't think stats will have an overly significant impact on m+ overalls
spiral coral
1 issue for sure, i have 20k mastery on arms
Iām at 30k mastery.
ruby frost
then i clearly do something wrong
spiral coral
Itās okay
minor gust
double check any of the guides in DPS FAQ
manic stirrup
your problem is you arent me
manic stirrup
yo
slow saddle
But uh dk isnt goos
sacred zodiac
choco no longer racist
slow saddle
Good
sacred zodiac
april fools!
slow saddle
Said all uh dks
latent moss
sacred zodiac
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/758086817730920529/1349876466183307284/IM...
this picture is fucked up
latent moss
this picture is fucked up
manic stirrup
jokes on everyone unholy was sick in s1 too
abstract cairn
with the jugg slayer build for M+, aoe prio skill is overpowerx2 > cleave?
minor gust
cleave on cd
dim basalt
jugg slayer
M+
abstract cairn
>> jugg slayer
>> M+
<:critcake:984549832511344640>
well yeah, they are in the same section, so ?
sacred zodiac
wdym with section
dim basalt
Theres no reason to play Slayer in M+, even less reasons to play jugg in M+
abstract cairn
dps-faq -> mythic + builds
abstract cairn
Theres no reason to play Slayer in M+, even less reasons to play jugg in M+
there is something called FUN.
dim basalt
tank dps isnt fun dunno
junior lava
Do we take Hero track Best In Slots over a Myth track weapon?
minor gust
sim to make sure but generally Myth wep is better than heroic bis
sacred zodiac
ya hc bis is never better
sacred zodiac
simulationing it should be your check my lord
minor gust
good fuyr OH if u play fury
junior lava
good fuyr OH if u play fury
Only in Stix š
minor gust
furrys
ruby frost
me š
spiral coral
I started dabbling with Fury
Feels like my action bar is full with arms, and as fury its like Swiss cheese
somber lance
is fury still tankier than arms?
spiral coral
Yes
somber lance
yeah just learning arms again
spiral coral
I love colossus
dim basalt
A lot is bit of an exaggeration
shadow ibex
wish me vault luck
spiral coral
In m+ I feel like Iām pumping on everyone
shadow ibex
also its fuckin pull day
dim basalt
push >>>> pull
spiral coral
wish me vault luck
My vault was so good it made me hate it more than getting nothing
shadow ibex
spiral coral
I wish you luck ā¤ļø
shadow ibex
probably rin
spiral coral
Probably ring
slow saddle
Weapon?
shadow ibex
got shoulders got weap and button is 
already crafted
could use it for fury but im not playing fury on sprock
and ill be arms on bandit
spiral coral
Im solely messing with fury for raid, just feels better than arms
shadow ibex
i was really thinking about playing fury for sprock just cuz healthier on prog
slow saddle
Dno man thane feels pretty great
shadow ibex
im already using this ring on hero track sadly so it doesnt replace circlet
slow saddle
Fury pumps in st
spiral coral
It does
slow saddle
Like atm my fury st outsimd arms
spiral coral
Feelcraft here
slow saddle
And its about equal.
spiral coral
Just me saying Iām playing fury for raid and arms for m+
slow saddle
Just me saying Iām playing fury for raid and arms for m+
Prob wiser desicion
I just enjoy arms more overall but fury prob better choice in raid
CoZ its so tanky
spiral coral
Less stuff = pretty much same damage + more survivability? Sure
dim basalt
Fuck mythic Stix
shadow ibex
the ring is really good but weapon wouldnt be terrible if i play fury on prog ever again
spiral coral
What really made me fuck with fury was underpin
latent moss
i was really thinking about playing fury for sprock just cuz healthier on prog
also does more damage
slightly
depends on ur gear ye but generally fury is a little ahead
random ibex
finally a good vault
stable fiber
crazy vault for sure
latent moss
ring not bad
stable fiber
(im lying) (i have all 5 tier slots on myth track) (the ring is 10k less than what i have)
i havent simmed the ring
it might be better than the circlet
not sure
slow saddle
Arms need executie buff
violet elk
Need some help choosing! Helm is a 6ilvl upgrade, trink is same ilvl, but 5th bis and better than my Honey Buzzer. Other trinket is the Improvised Seaforium Pacemaker.
slow saddle
Or well juggernaut rework
violet elk
But the helm from Vault also has a socket. So I am really unsure as to what I should do.
shadow ibex
do a dountiful delve with the map and see if you get the trinket there first
shadow ibex
can buy the underpin summon item for 2k coins
then just kill him in a bountiful use the map and get hero loot
sacred zodiac
doesnt have to be bountiful iirc
violet elk
Underpin summon? I see the nemesis summon, thats it, right? Or am I just dumb as hell.
shadow ibex
yea
you can do it all in 1 delve and knock out a bountiful if you still after that loot
rare kite
doesnt have to be bountiful iirc
correct. tho only bountiful drops natural maps
violet elk
Gotcha!
shadow ibex
just buy the scrambler summon him and use the map that he drops and get the hero loot at the end
violet elk
Kriegvals is bountiful at the moment. May go run that real quick, summon the bastard and see if it drops. If it doesnt, I can probably just get the trink from vault, then morph my current head piece into tier.
shadow ibex
first boss drops a helmet on mythic and you can probably pug that
slow saddle
can buy the underpin summon item for 2k coins
Get a guildie to buy. And join him
violet elk
I was able to solo him in the "Demolition Dome"
I already have a scrambler as well.
But, I think I am going to get the trinket, and then use the catalyst on my current helm if the trinket doesnt drop on this Bountiful run
sacred zodiac
ye like most
onyx robin
ye like most
do you usually hold cds for 1:40 first premium bombs? I feel like if i get fixated i cant really demolish
sacred zodiac
you probs should
you can probably get the demolish off if you press the button while they are spawning
but its also not your job really to kill those adds
tender jolt
Are u guys slayer or Colo for 1 arm bandit
lament spade
so arms vs fury for raiding and for mythic? whats better?
onyx robin
you can probably get the demolish off if you press the button while they are spa...
im not hitting all the adds doing this
but i guess it really is the play
dim basalt
so arms vs fury for raiding and for mythic? whats better?
Whichever youre more comfortable with
tender jolt
Oh right, I've just been doing whole raid in slayer haha
gusty laurel
Guys, i have a short question, i don'T get it. I was just running some m+ and checked cyrces Ring damage. Is there something hidden, which is not tracked by Details? or is it related to the Secondary stats? My ring did overall, with all gems, 1% Damage overall. In the Sims are somehow still higher than using 2 other rings
teal fossil
Yes the ring gives stats
robust cypress
pog
slow saddle
Poggers
violet elk
first boss drops a helmet on mythic and you can probably pug that
Thank you! Got myself 4pc plus trinket. ā¤ļø
slow saddle
Thank you! Got myself 4pc plus trinket. ā¤ļø
Gz
olive nest
hmmmmm
ngl
pants would be the most stats since i can get myth track pants with the cata charge right
thats like end game pick
but i also dont have a 1:30 trinket yet
and funhouse lens looking real nice
shadow ibex
Do your hero loot delve first
olive nest
ye think thats good call
ill go run my wave scrambler quick
could also just wait for bandit kill maybe guild will give me HoC then i take pants no question
manic stirrup
who is gary
unique bridge
Mythic Wep or Heroic Eye? AHHhhhhhhh I'm simming it but someone else input
ruby frost
okey so i sem-fixed a bit my problem with overall damage
but removing sweeping strikes from macro with avatar
KEKW
so now im using it a bit before pull -> then extend with avatar - looks much better
and also - before using demolish - trying to have SS up
š
slow saddle
totally take mythic weapon
Weap
rain anchor
How does arms compare to fury in m+
olive nest
arms does big aoe
ruby frost
How does arms compare to fury in m+
im a fury GIGA FAN
olive nest
fury does boss dam
ruby frost
but even my poor performance on arms do more then good fury š®
inner lava
I crafted a weapon. Is the writhing armor banding better than one dawnthread?
slow saddle
Fury does have respectable overall
fresh spire
Both arms and fury are alright
Just arms a bit more ahead
(Buff bladestorm for both)
slow saddle
100%
fresh spire
(Buff thunderblast uncap fury aoe)
swift crown
slow saddle
Ive had zero issues
fresh spire
It's pretty weak compared to what arms can do when played well. But you can 100% do 15s as fury clean
Arms will hit a point though its too squishy
ruby frost
Arms will hit a point though its too squishy
yeah agree, squishy AF
charred shoal
what makes fury more tanky than arms?
slow saddle
I need to do higher keys havent felt to bad at 12
charred shoal
so just stats?
slow saddle
Passive dr still
sacred zodiac
war paint that kinda stuff
deep moth
also chunkier bloodthirst heals from impending victory right
slow saddle
Dbts is great when it parries on dead tank
But id rsther take increased self heal + dr
crystal nymph
Im a fury giga fan but playing my keyboard like bethoven to do mediocre damage when i can google brain cleave is just favorable imo
deep moth
Im a fury giga fan but playing my keyboard like bethoven to do mediocre damage w...
I'm a fan of the high apm playstyle
hasty lava
On 3+ is cleave or SS MS prio
tardy hare
At 3 targets its always cleave
eager sigil
Find a similar log and compare
errant iris
should i craft bracers or cloak after crafting my weapon
dire hinge
how do you guys log and review M+
honestly I just watch other better players do the dungeon with my spec. Dungeon logging is a nightmare mess, and heavily dependent on tanks
tacit crystal
you're probably better off recording yourself or watching others
dire hinge
^
tacit crystal
keys have too many variables and just press cds on cd
personally every bad global i do in a key i instantly notice
on any spec
dire hinge
raids are pretty consistent, except for rng mechanic assignments like Stix Junkbunker. Dungeons are the opposite and everything from routes, to how much damage your other teammates are doing, to pull sizes, to single deaths delaying cds, it's just a mess
tacit crystal
i found myself holding cds on uh and i just started sending cds even when a pack was gonna die bc desync is aids!
also people would probably not be sending so you get value
charred shoal
do you find warbreaker kinda desyncs with demolish sometimes
dire hinge
yes, both Anger Management and Colossal Might cause both to have weird CDs 
charred shoal
yeah
tacit crystal
in aoe you should be able to fit demo in even if its 10s behind
st you just send on cd until execute where you save demo for cd
charred shoal
i starts all synced up but sometimes u get unlucky with MS resets and you get warbreaker back but demo still has like 6 stacks and 20 sec on cd
idk just smth ive found
mostly on st
stable fiber
has anybody good tried colossus on cauldron yet
imma try it on normal rq
er
later
i think it does giga damage on that boss
wintry arch
hollow plover
crystal nymph
I didnt have discord opened on my pc you heathens
hollow plover
I didnt have discord opened on my pc you heathens
then open it
shadow ibex
ITS PULL DAY BABY
crystal nymph
Too lazy im just on for vault
shadow ibex
hollow plover
Too lazy im just on for vault
manic pasture
i might just end up making neck
west tusk
can someone help me with the opener when play colossus in m plus for aoe? Do i need to avatar before charge then Warbreaker into roar?
cold cairn
This might be crazy, or answered somewhere else, but is it a general rule of thumb to stack haste always, or is there a soft cap we're looking to hit?
thanks!
lunar remnant
Vexie now an arms fight?
deep moth
oh why thank you lmao
fresh spire
bober
fresh spire
:kekw
deep moth
both of them I didn't even ask them to make they're just like "use this it's funny"
two different people.made them
and I was like yeah that's pretty funny
manic pasture
Do I craft chest or neck?
deep moth
the robot knows all
š¤
you're gonna have to give more info than that bud
Which do you think would benefit you more
manic pasture
I have 2 sparks, and 2 slots that are not hero+
2 half sparks*
So I can make a spark
deep moth
sim it for sure
deep moth
you can always catalyze chest if you don't have 4p
manic pasture
I do
deep moth
and earthen craftsmanship is always a decent neck til you get bis
so simming would be your best bet
manic pasture
I was thinking chest because 658 > 675 primary stat would be big on chest
deep moth
yeah they're around same
deep moth
yeah I would sim to make sure
But personally i would do earthen craftsmanship
but that's just me so
manic pasture
yeah I would sim to make sure
hexed wadi
do you guys play blademaster's or warlord's torment for keys
shadow ibex
Do you want to do more st or more aoe
hexed wadi
so does it depend on the dungeon
deft osprey
myth wep lets goooooooooooooooo
shadow ibex
Depends on if you want to do more st or more aoe
covert drift
Hi, quick question please. I saw on a guide to use authority of the depths for ST and coulcil's guilde for m+
Does that still apply? And if i'm planning to do both contents, which one is more well rounded?
abstract schooner
im simming to see, but would it better to just send Jastor?
minor gust
why would it be better just wait for you sim and make a decision from there
heroic jastors is trash for me barely a .1%
terse plume
man when the fully stacke teir set procs in hero during 30% on bandit feels niiiice
latent moss
why would it be better just wait for you sim and make a decision from there
will i get myth weapon
from vault
minor gust
I did so yeah
latent moss
will i
give me weapon please
blizzard
thats all i want
js give me the weapon gng š
glacial mirage
Do any of you gamers have a WeakAura for when you swap from Fury to Arms but only have offhand equipped?
plucky mortar
i have great vault that im not sure is easily answered by just simming:
Belt or shoulders?
haughty stratus
Did Arms get some sort of change or am I just bad at the game? I went from doing insane dps (2.5-3m depending on dungeon) to being below the prot warrior this week
Just did a +10 rookery and scraped by with 2m dps, wondering what happened
latent moss
i have great vault that im not sure is easily answered by just simming:
Belt or...
tbh none of it matters
hero track is farmable
unborn patrol
tbh none of it matters
It might matter to him. What if that's all he can do for now?
unborn patrol
i have great vault that im not sure is easily answered by just simming:
Belt or...
Honestly it depends on what you have. But yes, belt is the bigger upgrade, although u can definitely upgrade that with literally anything
I would go for the hero track shoulders
better in the long run, its also tier, so u dont neeed to waste a charge on em
latent moss
belt = shoulders in stat budget
and 15 runed crests and some flightstones saved
and more ilvl from the upgrade
he has 4p already
plucky mortar
okay thanks guys! yea it does matter to me right now, i have real limited time so really just do delves and hero raid if i can right now
appreciate the help!
random coral
what % haste should I shoot for in M+?
random coral
robot changes answer on me between ST and AoE
I have the Crit/Vers neck and the Haste/Crit one and can't decided which to run for m+
tacit crystal
are you playing colo
random coral
yeah
shadow ibex
mast crit if you are a real colossus enjoyer
random coral
I have 21% haste with the Crit/Vers but the haste one takes me almost to DR on haste and I lose crit
minor gust
do you want the real answer
random coral
is the sweet spot still about 20% haste
minor gust
it realy doesnt matter
shadow ibex
it realy doesnt matter
minor gust
I like high haste gameplay play with more haste
you want some slightly bigger numbers
crit mastery
random coral
sweet thanks for the info
minor gust
at the end of the day were talking about less than a % of difference in dmg
shadow ibex
wear highest ilvl
if you have the luxury of having two items on the same track for the same slot
flip a coin
shadow ibex
40% inc dmg with deepwound
its kinda cursed that circlet giving me mast instead of hast
violet bay
Is crafted 2h w/ ascend + armor banding gonna outperform BIS? Sims say yes but idk if raidbots is weird about it
Heroic BIS, i should say
minor gust
A myth track wep is better than heroic bis
violet bay
Figured but wanted to double check
shadow ibex
i just had max jug stacks from stix until like 10% when he picked me for ball
WHAT IS THIS
2mins of max
icy mulch
Oh yeah brother!
alpine burrow
Hey guys. So I'm currently deciding between the Myth Hands and Myth Ring, which I believe is our BIS ring as well.
So far, I only have hero track gloves and ONE myth track ring. That said, I'm really confused on what to get because the gloves sims higher, but there's always a high chance to get that in the vault and the 2 & 4th boss in the raid. But the ring, on the other hand, is only a small upgrade but is much rarer and is our BIS.
What would you get? Thanks in advance!
shadow ibex
are you farming the 2nd and 4th boss?
icy mulch
How much do you like your raid group?
icy mulch
already killed them and none dropped
If you like em, take the gloves. One less item everyone has to roll/council for.
shadow ibex
i doubt many people are after plate gloves from stix
those are pretty easy myth cata piece for us although they have the same exact stats as cata and non cata
so not an improvement from the versi
frigid lava
how do you track rend remainders?
balmy kindle
Hey guys. So I'm currently deciding between the Myth Hands and Myth Ring, which ...
Would say I will pick ring my self, but since you do myth raid you can weigh the opportunity costs yourself
alpine burrow
got it, thanks everyone! @shadow ibex @balmy kindle @icy mulch
cosmic pecan
why am i seeing alot of warriors running council guile instead of authority of depths?
it sims lower
balmy kindle
It's something I've thought about as well, it's like 1.-1.5% better on aoe and m+ scenarios
At a 0.4- 0.5% ST dmg loss
icy mulch
got it, thanks everyone! <@364971082932813824> <@234677001196142592> <@218217312...
š
minor gust
Its just another choice of do you want more aoe or more ST
doesnt really matter just choose what you wanna prioritize
hexed parrot
we can open EU vault at 6:00 ?
waxen storm
we can open EU vault at 6:00 ?
Yup
alpine burrow
hey guys was wondering if it's normal for WowUP to show duplicates of my addons
arctic fjord
viscera any good? I got it in vault.
but considering it's only st, it's probably shit
balmy kindle
It's like lock and stalk, only good in pure ST
pure gust
bruh.. did 4 keys in last minutes just for this
balmy kindle
Despair
minor gust
shoulda done 8
pure gust
at least got house of cards from weekly quest
shadow ibex
gz
last week i got mechagon bracers
they probably shoulda taken that off the loot table tbh
spiral coral
bruh.. did 4 keys in last minutes just for this
The RNG gods were watching
Shouldāve been a real player and done them all week
Shame
random ridge
Signet is bad for us ?
hoary inlet
lusty frost
I'm playin blademaster's torment rn, with no bloodlust, I can go roar - ravager + avatar - wb - cleave - demolish - cleave - op -cleave - op - giga cleave (with collateral damage + bonegrinder)
When lusting, I just don't know how this opener should be played, since the haste just mess up the collateral damage and bonegrinder buff
Looking for help
shadow ibex
Keep ms and cleave on cooldown
atomic mountain
we have 5 set slots and i get the chest in myth -.-
quaint otter
we have 5 set slots and i get the chest in myth -.-
?
quaint otter
crappyest part from all 5
ehm helm chest and legs are the best parts
the most str gain
atomic mountain
i mean for sec stats
quaint otter
who cares about sec stats
atomic mountain
sec stats are crapp as hell
quaint otter
ure warrior u consume everything
atomic mountain
yes 4 sure
keen raptor
Heya! Quick question: Do we use Cleave in a ST fight (M+ spec)? And if so, where on the prio list does it go?
quaint otter
Heya! Quick question: Do we use Cleave in a ST fight (M+ spec)? And if so, where...
better slam if u have no collat
dim basalt
Heya! Quick question: Do we use Cleave in a ST fight (M+ spec)? And if so, where...
Only during Ravager as a replacement of slam, or when you have a lot of collat stacks
keen raptor
better slam if u have no collat
So never. Since we don't have a second target we don't use Sweeping Strikes and we don't gain stacks for Collateral.
quaint otter
U can enter a fight having collat stacks
Therefore the will be a juicy few mills hit
keen raptor
Only during Ravager as a replacement of slam, or when you have a lot of collat s...
Well, in a ST fight I wont gain any Collateral stacks. I don't see as to why during Ravager, tho?
dim basalt
Well, in a ST fight I wont gain any Collateral stacks. I don't see as to why dur...
Merciless Bonegrinder - there are also some fights with adds where you just do ST rotation but can farm CD stacks
keen raptor
Merciless Bonegrinder - there are also some fights with adds where you just do S...
Ooohhh.... Thanks! Forgot about that one.
atomic mountain
Merciless Bonegrinder - there are also some fights with adds where you just do S...
ToP best dungeon
is ther any item we realy want from champ track raid?
slow saddle
Top love
tacit crystal
i just had max jug stacks from stix until like 10% when he picked me for ball
why didnt you grief your raid?
slow saddle
is ther any item we realy want from champ track raid?
Jastor?
dry dagger
anyone got the simc input for all the races?
atomic mountain
sell left is champ track right hero. is champ track radio/house of cards any good?
sacred zodiac
Sim it but hoc should clear signet
tacit crystal
Sim it but hoc should clear signet
boom boom boom boom boom
quaint otter
sell left is champ track right hero. is champ track radio/house of cards any goo...
house > signet always
cuz lines with ava
sacred zodiac
atomic mountain
quasi torrent
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/506236337859461131/1356872254948118528/im...
ratfang angle
tacit crystal
Why are you so violent
because you said i was galastronk
quasi torrent
because you said i was galastronk
you are tho
tacit crystal
you are tho
combust
reef glade
quasi torrent
nyo im in bed, no combustion here
quasi torrent
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/997421825288048651/1347723289736515686/IM...
š š šļø
hexed snow
ratfang angle
Lowkey ur cooking
reef glade
they buffed all damage trinkets from raid and delves but didnt buff ratfang?
perhaps because ratfang was already at an adequate, some may say exemplary, level of power?
hexed snow
2mrws trinket patch be like:
Rattfang buffed by 1000% 
reef glade
fangge
hexed snow
My recent mythic logs not being 90+ have made me very sad
Might aswell just end it ngl
reef glade
real
valid sage
is Viscera any good for m+? I REFUSE to go socket two weeks in a row š¦ so much trash in these vaults man
wtf is even this
quasi torrent
wtf is even this
proper ass is what it is
atomic mountain
sim it
latent hull
this is prob better pick still x)
atomic mountain
just 1.433 strength XD
valid sage
pretty decent upgrade though š
blissful tree
belt got socket.
eager sigil
weapon if you dont have one
blissful tree
i have one mythic weapon. sim tells me to upgrate crafted bracers to mythic and pick belt and put it into catalyst.
slow saddle
is Viscera any good for m+? I REFUSE to go socket two weeks in a row š¦ so much ...
Its good for st dmg in m+ but for overall no
knotty creek
My raid leader told me to try to dodge more swirlies and stop taking so much avoidable damage how do I sim for that
valid sage
tell healers to git gud, you're not there to dodge shit, you're there to hit stuff
knotty creek
Thank you
thick kelp
knotty creek
But how does that tell me what to dodge
If robot donāt tell me what to do
How will I play
rain cipher
tell healers to git gud, you're not there to dodge shit, you're there to hit stu...
ššš
naive sage
My raid leader told me to try to dodge more swirlies and stop taking so much avo...
Dead dps deal no damage
The ancientsā knowledge
valid sage
thats why you line some healers pocket with cash š