arms

[solar magnet]

Has anyone here affected something weird with the warrior damage? Sometimes my demolish mortal strike etc deals 180k dmg instead of like lets say 6.5m as he used to

[smoky kayak]

not as far as I'm aware; more likely you're seeing another source of damage happen at the same time or some kind of enemy shield/etc

[solar magnet]

Nah, literally i can see it in the sim and details

[olive night]

are you hitting more than 8 targets with it?

[solar magnet]

Nope, it was against the single target

[smoky kayak]

why don't you share what you're seeing with the class then, instead of trying to vaguely describe it?

[olive night]

ive had some weird things with demolish with Y axis but never it hitting low numbers

[smoky kayak]

I mean there's no shot you're simming a 180k mortal strike unless your ilvl is <600
maybe you're looking at reap procs triggering from mortal strikes, idk

it'd be helpful if you'd show us the thing you're confused by, because otherwise we can only guess

[grand idol]

That also sounds like a damage reduction effect. Specifically something like first boss workshop.

[smoky kayak]

yeah, or the last section of trash, though this guy insisted it's represented in sims/details as well, which is super sus

[faint fog]

Bro just wanted attention

[minor gust]

[rich kernel]

Gonna ask this here and in #fury . Which between fury and arms for m+? THoughts? Reasons? For the record I am prot main spec

[lunar remnant]

Fury thane is good for lower keys or keys with less mobs

Colossus arms for higher keys and bigger packs imo

Easy to learn both they aren’t really that hard

[slow saddle]

Thane bigger st

Col bigger aoe

[spark robin]

what kinda crit threshold am i lookin at before i make the swap from fury?

[sacred zodiac]

just swap you dont need to get a specific gear set

[spark robin]

gotchu, just felt worse with my small crit % with haste/mastery gear

[rich kernel]

Thanks! Interesting to hear

[lunar remnant]

The game was feeding me mastery gear so I stayed fury till I got 4pc and swapped when I had about 25-30% crit but like sponge said not really a hard crit requirement it’s not a fire mage

[thick crane]

if MS resets, do I still get 2 EP and then use MS?

[sacred zodiac]

if you are playing ep then ye

[snow flame]

outlaw kinda sauced

[broken hound]

Can anyone tell me what M+ build is currently the strongest atm for Arms?

[snow flame]

colossus

[eager sigil]

had one do 4.5m yesterday

cracked

[snow flame]

dobule rogue warr comp back?

[eager sigil]

no war no monk

[spark robin]

ok cool, appreciate you

[minor gust]

Outlaw currently playing Killing spree so chance of death is high

[quaint otter]

[snow flame]

[naive sage]

warrior arm

[lunar remnant]

Rogue been bis this whole expansion but no one seems to care

[smoky kayak]

#1273899844599283733

[dim basalt]

Cap

[simple vortex]

Hey all!
I need some help about dungeon route simming.
When i try to use dungeon route sim, it gives me an error : Error: Unexpected parameter 'Shaynemail:87160108:Humanoid|War_Lynx_1:29053369:Beast|War_Lynx_2:29053369:Beast'. Expected format: name=value
this data generated from mdt addon with mdt sim wa and i don't understand how its format is wrong.
Probably im doing something wrong, i was using route sims 2 years ago but i forget it a bit i guess.

[spiral coral]

I haven’t seen them talked about by anyone all season but damn everytime I’m with one they have been pumpinnnng.

[spiral coral]

I didn’t even know this was a thing but now I’m interested lol

[viral locust]

https://youtu.be/Y0fZ4Pen4Kk?feature=shared

Sounds like maybe you need to update your MDT add-on maybe data wrong, or just follow instructions correctly

Note MDT simming is nice, but kinda scuffed sometimes for comparing talents and trinkets (it sends on cd sometimes end of packs etc whereas you would save it) so still do some st and 6-8t Sims to compare stuff

[simple vortex]

If im not wrong the only difference from video on mine is i was using gear compare instead of top gear if it changes something

[viral locust]

You pasting it into footer right?

And is MDT and the mdtsim wa updated?

[simple vortex]

Yeap checked again now

[viral locust]

Idk maybe re do your route, make sure it's not got any blank pulls in it

Also I wouldn't probably use priory its a very pad heavy dungeon to compare talents/gear

Use something with like a mix of small and big pulls maybe rookery/darkflame

[simple vortex]

I just took random raider io route to try it out if it works but same things happens. I miss something but can't find it.

[scarlet field]

Hi all asking again because I didn't see a response the other day. When I follow the normal m+ rotation it seems like ravager has fallen off when I'm at the end of my big collateral damage sweeping strikes phase

Is that how we are supposed to play it, and just raw dog the big cleave with no ravager down ?

[alpine falcon]

Rav is 8 seconds buff. So make sure you cast sweeping strikes before and start stacking until you have 7 sec left on sweeping, than just pop rav and all cd’s

[spiral coral]

The extra movement from the new backpack is actually so useful

Thought it was a gimmick till I started using it in dungeons lol

[indigo narwhal]

hey yall, starting to dust the cobwebs off my Mag'har orc arms warrior. are there any cooldowns that can be macro'd together? 2 or more abilities in a single button would be amazing

[wintry arch]

I have charge/intervene/self heal what’s it called all on the same bind

[last wagon]

i use this. its because im lazy, not because its optimal.

#showtooltip
/cast Avatar
/cast Ancestral Call
/use House of Cards
/use Tempered Potion

[glass sphinx]

why did i die here ?

does it take time for DBS to work or

[tacit crystal]

pressing that button is illegal

talenting into it as well

[olive night]

did you get hit in the back?

[unique bridge]

Might be visual error but sometimes I seem to get both locknstock buffs?

[rich ridge]

what the bis weapon macro?

[grand idol]

Uhh, I would assume you could use the name or the slot.

[latent moss]

dont read trickster

cluegi

gotta keep some mickey mouse buff

its so cancer

kush died like

4 times in a dung

cause of it

xdd

[tiny dock]

guys, does SS work on cauldron of carnage?

[magic canopy]

ya

[tacit crystal]

gg

bad hero talent

[latent moss]

outlaw lmao

who cares

cringe spec

sub no longer bp on st = good hero talent

[olive nest]

It’s just a ui bug, you only get one. I hover the trinket in the character panel to see witch one is active

Usually just leave it in ST the AoE one seems to be pretty weak when I used it atleast

[eager nexus]

https://www.archon.gg/wow/articles/news/archon-tooltip-release-for-retail-and-cataclysm

Rip pugs

[shadow ibex]

lmao

[olive nest]

I like it!

id like to be able to filter specific difficulties though

hopefully they add that or maybe its there and I havent figured it out yet

[pallid nimbus]

[eager nexus]

ur now 1 bad parse away from never getting into a pug again XD

[tiny dock]

rik is a ST fight for arms?

[icy mulch]

On normal and heroic, yeah.

[smoky kayak]

not everything can be parried

[smoky kayak]

you can sweeping strikes

could go Colossus if you really wanted to go all in on barrel damage

[misty sandal]

This might actually be the most toxic addon released 😵

[tender jolt]

is the wowhead bis list actually the best set up? when i sim i dont use the circlet ring

[tacit crystal]

its the best setup assuming you can get all of them

[tender jolt]

bugger, ahwell gotta keep simming and saving random gear for now 😛

[latent moss]

which unless u reclear 2000 times u prob wont get

[tacit crystal]

or are tmy

[smoky kayak]

post-nerf circlet can be replaced w/ a good mythic ilvl ring

[tender jolt]

ah right, cause atm i have a mythic bloodoath signet and a champ jastor diamond

[minor gust]

Well their hero tree forces them to take it sooo

[waxen iron]

worth the bricked 11

[magic canopy]

so

Blademasters torment has GOTTA be

worth more then 1 point in Cruel strikes

for m+

or at least warlords

[minor gust]

uhhh yeah whos saying its not?

[magic canopy]

me

(goober)

tho i wonder if blademasters is more overall

then warlords

[minor gust]

me no read but playing either the torments is the norm

not cruel strikes

[magic canopy]

yeah i think i just had a bad talent tree

and didnt look at it for a bit

ngl

[minor gust]

yeah no one is playing cruel strikes

yeah right now the only variation I see is EP/FB vs 2BB and Warlords vs Blademasters

[tacit crystal]

bring back old warlords tormetn

bring back df ww

bring back tom

[minor gust]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-throwing-brick-brick-cat-gif-9142560192559212520

we dont want Tom dont bring him up

doesnt even fit well with slayer cuz fucking SD doesnt count as consumed rage

[latent moss]

ur tree is omega cooked

if u had any points in cruel strikes

[magic canopy]

it didnt have siesmic either

: (

[latent moss]

aware

[minor gust]

thats an even bigger L

than having a point in cruel strikes

[latent moss]

only lostl ike what

7% overall?

[minor gust]

last I checked it was 9%

[latent moss]

ye im ethical i spam ms on prio target

blademasters is giga tho

[minor gust]

wdym press MS inbetween cleave cds

ez

[tacit crystal]

okay what if sd gave rage to tom

[latent moss]

not my problem exhil procs 5 times in a row

[tacit crystal]

[latent moss]

what if tom didnt exist

that would be cool i think

[minor gust]

very cool

[tacit crystal]

i love having 20s cs with 40% increased str

🙂

[minor gust]

you only had that in execute

[latent moss]

i love when the actual cd comes after my cd

[tacit crystal]

only time arms is fun anyways

real

but bring back df ww

the one we have now is so sad

[minor gust]

oh boy I get 2 seconds of CS and TOM stacking together

[tacit crystal]

you never press that button

[latent moss]

skill issue

i had more

[tacit crystal]

chaining tom and cs

[minor gust]

https://tenor.com/view/whoah-woah-gif-20545190

[tacit crystal]

what are changes arms needs RIGHT NOW

i vote old warlords torment

[latent moss]

no

arms needs a real cd

[minor gust]

If its not a full on brand new vision rework like MM idc

[latent moss]

not a 20% dmg increase for 20s on a 1:30

[minor gust]

Arms has needed God for awhile now

ppl just forget that because they like seeing the big numbers right now

its a lil degen that all our aoe is cleave and whatever we press inbetween cleaves doesnt really matter

[tacit crystal]

sd casts tc

boom

[latent moss]

why

we arent a press st spells while x buff is running to deal aoe

having a dedicated aoe spell is fine

when the kit revolves around it

like it does now

[tacit crystal]

bring back ww

[latent moss]

nice bait

[tacit crystal]

what

[latent moss]

ill take cleave over dreadnaught

any day

spamming op to deal aoe damage is fucking cooked

[tacit crystal]

i loved charge cleave tc ava cs ww

that felt like crack

[latent moss]

18 stack cd cleave

in ravager

with ava

12 mil

[tacit crystal]

i hit a 23 stack cleave

it did 0 damage

[minor gust]

idk I dont think its a massive deal just a lil degen. Like things like DN should be better and maybe adding something like S2 DF tier set to MS giving a lil frontal cleave to it. I always feel weird about pressing ST buttons in AOE.

[latent moss]

bait

[tacit crystal]

im serious

[latent moss]

ye sure

956954678% more cleave damage

[tacit crystal]

do i have to get out of bed to upload the log

[latent moss]

yes

my 17 stack

did 12mil

[tacit crystal]

nah ill do it in the morning

remind me

[latent moss]

i will forget

[tacit crystal]

someone has to remember

[latent moss]

colossal might

never falls off

cd never falls of

make demolish less cbt

and colossus is good

[tacit crystal]

whats wrong with old ww

[minor gust]

CM should be a minute long like imminent demise

cant change my mind

[latent moss]

100%

[tacit crystal]

11s crank

[latent moss]

what ww

fob?

[tacit crystal]

df

[latent moss]

what ww in df

u spammed op

[tacit crystal]

rhe massive rage dump

[latent moss]

ohhhh

sos

[minor gust]

Big WW

SOS

[latent moss]

sos was good

[tacit crystal]

that cranked

[minor gust]

I miss it so much

[latent moss]

WAIT

LET ME COOK

CD 30S CD

[minor gust]

the only good thing to come out of DF was SOS

and it died

[latent moss]

COLLAT

30S CD

MAKES UR NEXT CLEAVE HIT 400% HARDER

CINEMA

SOS BACK

OR EVERY WB

MAKES UR NEXT CLEAVE HIT FOR 400% MORE

[tacit crystal]

holy

[latent moss]

hoooly cinema

[minor gust]

now make it off gcd aswell so you can macro it in and call it a day

[tacit crystal]

charge cleave tc roar rav ava cs cleave

also make ip not worthless

[latent moss]

cold blood type shit

i fw that

[tacit crystal]

gn

surely i remember to upload log

[minor gust]

if your cleave did 0 dmg sounds like you just missed it

[latent moss]

idk

bugged maybe

[tacit crystal]

my details didnt shoot up to 10m dps at that instantaneous second so gg

[latent moss]

where demolish

[slow saddle]

Fact would be nice

[cursive crater]

is mister lock n stalk trinket any good in its multi target mode for m+

[knotty orchid]

didnt do much for me

[crystal umbra]

Is there a way to track Cleave/MS resets with a WA?

[halcyon valve]

Mhmm yes, 50 million cleave crits

[halcyon valve]

Yeah, default blizzard action bars do it, so weakauras can too

[real birch]

hey 🙂 I suck at arms in m+ and I dont exactly know why :/ sticking around 2.5M dps (TOP +12 e.g.) where I am getting told I need to have at least 3M as arms. Wasnt about the pulls imo... were quiet huge. Anything I need to check in my details to see if I am dogshit?

[slow saddle]

Did u die?

[real birch]

nah

[eager sigil]

top overall will always be lower

[minor gust]

not much we can tell you without any context to what your skill level is. Best we can do is tell you to review guides. I suggest watching gameplay of really good players like Critcake or Bizentein and comparing it to yours

[whole steppe]

is it good ST dmg with this gear?

[minor gust]

why do you have only one crafted item

🤔

[sacred zodiac]

suspicious

[minor gust]

using an heroic wep over crafted also sus

[hollow plover]

theres so much wrong with this

Sadge

[robust cypress]

Does the tier only give 2% haste or is it 2% haste per stack of winning streak?

[sacred zodiac]

it says per stack

its a nice pocket lust if you break it at 10 stacks

[robust cypress]

ty

[naive sage]

I think they salvaged it well from the cursed ptr version

[whole steppe]

i crafted one-hand weapon i was prot main

now i can't decide should i wait 2 week to craft two-hand weapon or make one more embellish slot

[whole steppe]

what is

[eager sigil]

only the crafted weapon but makes sense if you made a prot weapon

[robust cypress]

is there a crit % arms wants to be at or does it not really matter

[eager sigil]

no caps

just sim and go with that

[robust cypress]

Why does the wowhead page and bloodmallet show different gear as bis?

[sacred zodiac]

where does bloodmallet claim to have a bis list

[robust cypress]

In the profile

[sacred zodiac]

where does it say bis

[robust cypress]

Why wouldn't bloodmallet sim in bis?

[sacred zodiac]

idk they're maintained by different people and bis lists are kinda fake anyways

[robust cypress]

Based

Just odd to see 2 different gear setups

[eager sigil]

guide writers are forced to make those since they generate alot of clicks

[robust cypress]

Weird, makes me unsure whether to catalyze a chest or helmet now

[whole steppe]

improvised trinket with house of cards is always better sims than eye of kezan/house of cards

why

[robust cypress]

eye gets better the longer the fight is

[fresh spire]

These bis lists are usually representitive of content and not absolutes.

one is purely crafted/raid gear. Other is purely dungeon gear

[robust cypress]

oh shit

[sacred zodiac]

simulationcraft it

[robust cypress]

I didnt even notice it was just dungeon gear

• dinars/crafted/catalyst

okay that makes more sensee

[strange perch]

@boreal quartz @latent moss

[boreal quartz]

⛓️‍💥

[strange perch]

@boreal quartz teach me..

[boreal quartz]

@strange perchI am trying to find the fyrakk mount tame

[strange perch]

I can inv you on diealdor layer

If it helps...

Why you taming ts spirit beast pet

Are you playing bm...

[glass sphinx]

that ability can be parried, we solo tanked mugzee i did taunt dbs

[boreal quartz]

can try that ye

[boreal quartz]

to have it

[weak wave]

Any idea why this doesn't work on this char? On other alts this works as intended. (Showing my mains score)

[boreal quartz]

you need like a minimum score

i think

[weak wave]

Can't be. My mage has 0 score

[eager sigil]

yea

[boreal quartz]

of the alt

[weak wave]

Yes. Mage and hunter are alts.

Mage has 0. Hunter has 139.

[eager sigil]

maybe last season rating is enough

[weak wave]

Hmm this may be a thing

[eager sigil]

they just cant track every character or the addon would be 20gigs

[weak wave]

Yeah makes sense

[boreal quartz]

@strange perch

no counterplay

⛓️‍💥

[strange perch]

gz

[boreal quartz]

ich afk das jetzt bis er kommt

einfach bad gameplay durch mich ig

[strange perch]

hey kumpel, das ist okay

ui

help me with ui while you wait

[boreal quartz]

sure

[strange perch]

OnynnUI

^gamertag of an exclassmate of mine

[boreal quartz]

crazy

i know a guy who used ot call himself uonikaro

like?

[strange perch]

its cool

[boreal quartz]

its a bit of a mouthfull

[fickle oar]

is there a correct order to macro cooldowns - I've been using this one for avatar + trinket + ravager for a while but the ravager sometimes doesn't go off

#showtooltip
/cast Avatar
/use 14
/cast [@player] Ravager

[glossy belfry]

Hi, I have a question: When simulating, how do you set the SimC Version? Weekly, Nightly, or the latest?

[snow flame]

I use latest

[glossy belfry]

does he usually give you precise data?

[glossy belfry]

precise..., I mean close enough

[void bay]

Sometimes APL changes are made and corrected, so I just use weekly

its good enough for me

[glossy belfry]

ok thank you so much to both of you 🙂

[remote ledge]

I need some feelycraft advice. I main fury, got a mythic track wep in vault, although I did craft a 2H with ascendance.
In a key, could 3ilvl on main hand beat the ascendance bonus ? Sims says no ofc, but I don't know about reality, dropping stacks, downtime etc

[snow flame]

Yes

[lunar remnant]

@snow flame this guy only 6 ilvls above me but trashing me on dps.. idk what key you avg 4m but you got me considering reroll lol

giant ass penis ass having ass swinging it on my forehead

when in doubt cleave it out

[plain hollow]

do people pop cds before pull on cauldron mythic? some logs of arms dudes manage to get cds like 7 seconds after the clash

[eager sigil]

yea

[sacred zodiac]

pop ava ~10s before pull

[dim basalt]

You can pop them 12s before pull to make them line up

[sacred zodiac]

play long sweep

holy hell

[plain hollow]

thx guys, just feels so bad when BL also starts with pull

[latent moss]

💔

[narrow flax]

rings better than circlet, or weird sim?

[eager sigil]

possible

[narrow flax]

aight

[eager sigil]

but click the optimize for gem color thing

you wanna run different colors

[narrow flax]

ill check

thanks

[latent moss]

colossus ye

very possible

[narrow flax]

yup colossus

thanks

[compact geyser]

did blizz fix the cinder jump skip ? i just tried it and now cant jump higher than like a quarter of normal jump height and it looks like im hitting an invisible roof

[whole steppe]

guys what happened to whirlwind in arms

can anyone tell me

[trim lintel]

replaced by cleave if spec in

[compact geyser]

it never existed

its cleave or nothing

[slow saddle]

Ehm?? If u are fury mythic weap oh

[whole steppe]

yeah but

which talent is that?

[compact geyser]

cleave

[trim lintel]

cleave

[compact geyser]

it replaces ww

[trim lintel]

left on the arms talent tree

[whole steppe]

i think i am blind

can you tell me the exact spot

[compact geyser]

theres zero reason to ww as arms. if u want aoe u spec cleave. if u need to cleave in st u bs or sweeping strikes prio targets

[latent moss]

it says Replaces Whirlwind

[whole steppe]

ahhhh.. so if we take cleave it removes whirlwind and replace

OKAY OKAY

I GOT IT

[tacit crystal]

bring df ww

[whole steppe]

LOL

[latent moss]

say sos ww please

df ww is very misleading

[compact geyser]

the only reason ill ww is if hell freezes over and im forced to use it to stack ToM

[remote ledge]

What

[slow saddle]

U said u had 2 weapons of high quality why not use both?

[remote ledge]

Arms only equip one weapon

This is arms channel

[slow saddle]

Still takr weapon for fury?

[remote ledge]

No for arms

[slow saddle]

I mean recrafting 2 pieces

At some point is prob worth it

[latent moss]

sim recraft for dusk/dawnthread

[slow saddle]

So when u got 1 more craft

[latent moss]

u have 3 sparks

2 for weap 1 for offpiece

[slow saddle]

U can

[compact geyser]

when u dont need st in raid then swap to 2x linings

[whole steppe]

how do you manage demolish with warbreaker

[slow saddle]

So in 2 weeks craft the 2 pieces

[compact geyser]

demolish in wb window

[latent moss]

myth weapon + 2 lining is better on st

for arms

[slow saddle]

Removw acendance from weap change off piece to dawn//dusk

[latent moss]

and aoe

[remote ledge]

Ok let me rephrase it

Is no ascendance but 3ilvl more worth even if it sims less for now in keys as arms, bcos of downtime and dropping ascendance stacks
Not recrafting or anything

[whole steppe]

so when you start to pack you don't wb instantly

[latent moss]

u craft weapon cause of fury and its ur highest impact slot

[whole steppe]

you wait a little to stack then you do

right?

[latent moss]

so u get the most power early on

[slow saddle]

Sim it?

[compact geyser]

oh ur just gonna raw dog it? then id think not

[remote ledge]

Yea you're trolling me

[latent moss]

it sims less

no way to know

what else do u hav ein vault

if its between socket or some random piece and weap take weap

[compact geyser]

#trusttherobot

[slow saddle]

Well check ya uptime in keys?

[latent moss]

how are u opening the vault now wtf

[thick kelp]

not everyone plays 247 buddy

[slow saddle]

But in gen id wager the higher the keys the better acendance

Unless u die

As u bring a big stack into bosses

[latent moss]

lining is always better

[mild hound]

does TC apply rend intellegently? (apply to mobs w/o it)

[remote ledge]

Why do you talk about sims or vault, when the sentence says : I have the weapon, and I wanna know how it compares knowing things you CAN'T sim

[latent moss]

ascendance will fall off

u will skip some pack

and it will fall off

[remote ledge]

I don't talk about lining

[latent moss]

or a lot of walking like top

[slow saddle]

Thats th ething

He is talkin acendance vs 3 ilvl weap

[latent moss]

ascendance

at the end of the day

it doesnt matter anyway

[slow saddle]

My point

[latent moss]

its so close

[remote ledge]

Bcos it sims higher, but sims are 5min no movement constant, not hectic m+ pulls

[latent moss]

if the dung has a lot of downtime play myth 2h idk

[remote ledge]

Thus the question

[slow saddle]

3 ilvls + thread barely beats acendance

Or well isnt that with bis mythic as well?

[latent moss]

lining with any myth 2h is better at everything

its just a matter of getting the 2t

2h*

[compact geyser]

big weap go burr what else needs to be known ?

[slow saddle]

Well linin is also simmed so if we talkin feelycraft

[remote ledge]

Never talked about lining but whatever

[slow saddle]

It can drop off during cds

And u get fuckef

[latent moss]

its not about ur question anymore

[compact geyser]

we just assumed that in general principle the linings were implied

[latent moss]

ye

cause its myth 2h + lining vs ascendance

is usually the question

[latent moss]

u dont really

as long as the uptime isnt horrendous

which it shouldnt be

cause u are a warrior

its better

[compact geyser]

i went writhing acsend because i lost the week one lotto so now i have big axe but next spark im swapping to lining.

[latent moss]

vers bsl for me is like

almost 1.5% increased dmg

thats how useless embellishments are

reason why u craft ascend is cause weapon is the highest impact slot and it helps with early prog

if u dont get one week 2 obv

but even then u could craft it for fury

since there is no reason to play arms this raid except mugzee maybe

[compact geyser]

675 crafted weap is less than 1% downgrade from full upgraded mythic BIS so im sitting nice even if weapon shows up in vault

[slow saddle]

Yeah, ill obviously also recraft once i get a 2h from vault

In 2 weeks even

[latent moss]

1.5k vers

[slow saddle]

Without weapon

[latent moss]

embellishments fell off so hard

[slow saddle]

100% embellish needs.a buff

[compact geyser]

did blizz scale them at all ? i think might still be s1 value's completely

[tacit crystal]

no

[compact geyser]

well at least we have corruptions coming back to save us

[tacit crystal]

@latent moss

uploading log

[latent moss]

thoughts

2.7 out of 9.3

crazy work

blizzard

650k

iv heals for more than ip shields for

"shields"

[tacit crystal]

ignoring the fact that you need to press it 5 times

🙂

to stack up to max

[compact geyser]

who takes IP ?

[tacit crystal]

pvp

[latent moss]

i was like

what is bruzz talking about

then i read the talent

u actually need 5 casts

to reach max lmao

[compact geyser]

a quick stance swap negates most of what IP would be used for and if not just DBTS

[tacit crystal]

and even then they only take it bc there is nothing else to help them live

[latent moss]

warrior in pvp 💔

[tacit crystal]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/jDqdhLJ8At6ykFc9?fight=last&type=damage-done&source=1&sourcebuffs=334783&ability=-845
how do i find the collat

[compact geyser]

if i need IP to live than ive got more problems than that

[wet crag]

is there a way to make a macro that casts Execute if it's available, or Slam if it's not? and is usable for pre-empting my gcd?

[halcyon breach]

Macro's don't allow more intricate conditionals like that

[tacit crystal]

@latent moss

[latent moss]

idk

im on phone rn cba

will look in a bit

[latent moss]

castsequence 10.2 fury macro

[narrow flax]

why is vengeance of the fallen (which i just got) not chooseable while transmogging ?

[misty bridge]

that one is locked behind an Legion archaeology achievement

[narrow flax]

i know about the red one

but the other 3 that ive unlocked

but relogging fixed it

[misty bridge]

ah okey

[fluid zinc]

Is this an addon or some sort of weakaura?

[narrow flax]

no

just the artifact appearance panel

[olive nest]

So I accidently delete my "Gallagio Loyalty Rewards Card" that lets you teleport to the start of the raid.. is there a way to get another one?

[somber geyser]

Maybe item restoration

[olive nest]

yeah I just looked through the pages on restoration and its not there i think that only works for vendored items anyhow..

[tacit crystal]

talk to the nice lady who gave it to you

[olive nest]

ill have to try looking that up lol I auto pilot quest related things ngl

[tacit crystal]

nah the rep lady has an option to get another one

inside the raid

[south frigate]

Any good guides on how to play arms been a fury main and want to change it up

[wind haven]

Trying to get a hero weapon out of keys.. zzzz

[sterile gazelle]

Good day guys, what mode we play Mister Lock-N-Stalk trinket?

[eager sigil]

precision for st

[potent fossil]

does raidbots track the special effect of best in slots?

i have a 658 best in slots but got a hero track cicruit breaker, im bout to sim it at 665 but idk how accurate it'll be

[sacred zodiac]

ye why wouldnt it

[potent fossil]

idk in the past sim hasn't always tracked special effects correctly

[halcyon breach]

That usually would be the case very early on when the effects were a bit ambigious

Like Gavel from Jailer

[potent fossil]

fair nuff

bis is just stats

[halcyon breach]

Correct

It also correctly plays around having an on-use trinket included in the sim, if you got one

[potent fossil]

neat, i do not unfortunately

[halcyon breach]

Well they both incur the trinket CD, so you could argue it's fortunate

[potent fossil]

trinked cd's are brutal

im p sure like the only reason things like improvised seaforium pacemaker or whatever isn't good is bc of the cd being 2 mins

just dont line up w cds

I could be dead wrong though

if it were 2.5 mins it'd be better

[halcyon breach]

Pacemaker is good?

It's also not an on-use trinket, and the passive cycles every 1 minute

You're likely thinking of Signet from Priory

[potent fossil]

well that too

but yes

[smoky kayak]

idk, it pretty much always has

[potent fossil]

i was reading signets desc but was looking at the pic of pace

[smoky kayak]

maybe when a patch or expansion is very new (as in, the first week) something will be broken, but certainly not by this point
or if it's a fairly obscure effect, like world quest only drop that isn't obtained at a high enough level to normally care about

[potent fossil]

good to know :u

[alpine glade]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/27Ct6MFonxesA7efKcBw1M

Is that normal ? ppl say have BIS weapon and 2 crafted gear is better but my sim says the opposite

[halcyon breach]

BiS at 678 yes

Not 665

[alpine glade]

oooooh okay

[deep moth]

always trust the robot

🤖

[zinc wolf]

just not AMR

[languid bison]

this talents is good?

[dim basalt]

Slightly more ST for some aoe loss

[languid bison]

in key 10 use this?

[dim basalt]

Nah

[lethal isle]

hello all! i dont suppose we have any giga chads that could help me see were i am failing in dps for keys? i have a log 🙂 im pretty new so any help would be amazing

[eager sigil]

#449510248579858432

[serene horizon]

Hello does anyone have the Winning Streak ID from the Tier set? ❤️ (I want to track the buff in a weakaura)

[grave linden]

1216552

[serene horizon]

tyvm !

[molten marsh]

hey guys couple questions for m+ colossus rotation

• without EP, do we overpower before execute?
• with overpower proc, do we press that over ms?
• in aoe opener i usually see people ravager before demolish, could we instead use ravager as the last cd so we have more mbg time?

[tacit crystal]

without ep:
ms > op > exe

what overpower proc

[molten marsh]

thanks! tactitian i think is the name

[tacit crystal]

you still send ms over op

when op resets

[molten marsh]

oo ok

[tacit crystal]

and its because if you send ravager after demolish

you have less time with mbg due to haste from cs

[molten marsh]

wait cs gives haste?? brb google lol

[tacit crystal]

in for the kill

[molten marsh]

oh i didnt realize it always gave at least 10%

[tacit crystal]

you could do it

[molten marsh]

i dont see why not to still ravager last tbh

[tacit crystal]

if you are trying to go for one big cleave

but the duration is shorter so you can fit in less cleaves

which usually leads to less damage

[molten marsh]

my bad homie im missing something

how is the duration shorter?

[tacit crystal]

ravager duration gets reduced with haste

[molten marsh]

if its just demolish or ravager first, if we cast ravager first, dont we spend some mbg time casting demolish?

and all of this is always after warbreaker right

ty btw didnt realize the duration reduced

[tacit crystal]

ideally you should always open with:
charge cleave tc rav cs demo at 10

[molten marsh]

ohh dang you cleave that early

ill go target dummy and just try ravager early tbh i still dont see it but maybe i just have to try it more

thx gio

[warped solstice]

I usually charge -> TC -> cleave. How much of a DPS loss will that be?

[unkempt wren]

doubt its much. its my go to because im used to charge, rend, roar from raiding

[smoky kayak]

both are fine, some like 2x bloodborne more because it's a little more dummy (no confusion over Exe)
I actually found it weirdly more rage starved since you do occasionally use OP during AoE though
1 BB / 1 BSurge is also an option if you really want the extra rage though

[smoky kayak]

you fit in less cleaves but you also have a faster GCD which means you get more cleaves

overall it should work out about the same

[teal fossil]

The ratio should be exact the same (subject to ping)

But yeah

[wanton frost]

idk if it's just my haste/crit not being high enough or some other factor, but x1 bb and bsurge has consistently simmed higher than x2 bb for me
Either way I do find it more comfortable though, running out of rage is a pain

[smoky kayak]

they're all pretty close, so likely some gear flucutation

M+ is not an environment which lends itself to exacting sims though, so I really wouldn't think too hard about it

[teal fossil]

crazy that surge is simming better on st for people

Oh

In aoe I see

[smoky kayak]

that +/- 1% difference isn't going to actually translate in an environment as chaotic and constantly changing as M+ anyway

[wanton frost]

Yeah, I figured that'd be the case. I'm not too worried about it, I doubt it'll matter at most levels of play

It does also sim better in single for me though, at least it did last time I did a st sim

I mostly do dungeon slice sims though, since m+ is my focus and my computer struggles so much in raids that fps fluctuations affect my dps more than any talent loadout ever could

[smoky kayak]

dungeon slice may be a little weird, since the APL doesn't try to hold cooldowns for it

it kinda simulates a dungeon in which you just blow everything on CD, rather than explicitly time for big packs or w/e (which arguably is more realistic for the majority of players in average keys, even if it's not necessarily optimal)

[wanton frost]

yknow I was curious if there were better ways to sim for m+ since I don't know much about how it works behind the scenes

[minor gust]

Min maxing how you use collateral will determine how much dmg your gonna put out in overall

[wanton frost]

but mostly I just need it to be good enough to compare different talent setups and gear

[smoky kayak]

nobody really wants to go through the effort of creating a truly dynamic action list which holds CDs for certain timings or pack sizes, it's really, really a lot more complicated than it sounds

and historically doesn't actually change results all that much either, even if the resulting damage number may seem a little more right

[wanton frost]

oh I don't doubt that at all

90% of the value for 10% of the effort is more than fine by me

[smoky kayak]

it's a funny little thing, cause it's easier said than done - saving Collateral for fresh packs is smart until it stops lining up with Warbreaker/Ravager and then you're left in this awkward position of using an unbuffed Cleave or sitting on Cleave's cooldown for who knows how long

[teal fossil]

Simming for m+ is like a religion at this point

[wanton frost]

also as an aside, is there a good way to see how much extra damage you're getting from collateral damage from logs

not super familiar with them

[minor gust]

yeah its not easy at all and very situational

[smoky kayak]

the important part of simming isn't really to get the most accurate number for what you're trying to do - that's more of a byproduct
the point is to establish a common baseline which you can then adapt to whatever you're trying to do, because there are simply too many situations these days to come up with a truly accurate sim for each

[minor gust]

but if you can get away with it, its very strong

[hexed snow]

Mythic stix... Worth even going arms for it?

[minor gust]

if adds just get obliterated and you wanna pump boss with slayer sure

[teal fossil]

Archi do you personally use dungeon slice for m+

Or no

[smoky kayak]

every once in awhile, but I don't really sim multitarget that much in general

[teal fossil]

Agreed

Multi is too volatile

[smoky kayak]

only things I ever really look at with multitarget sims are trinkets and occasional stat plots

[teal fossil]

I just find it rude for some people here saying slice is bad and should never be used

Just discrediting the work put into it

[minor gust]

I wouldnt say its bad its just should not be taken 100% literally which a lot of people do

they Sim and dont even think

[teal fossil]

Ye

People focus way too much on the raw dps the sim outputs

[molten marsh]

no idea with logs sry but as an alternative i got a wa that shows me how much damage an ability did so i get feedback on how big cleaves were or not

my record is 83m 😄

[smoky kayak]

like I was saying before, since there's no dedicated slice support, it kinda just acts like a player who pops everything on CD without holding for big packs or special pulls

which is certainly less optimial from a min/max perspective, but arguably even more realistic for the majority of players in average keys

[teal fossil]

Exactly my point, I think simming dungeon slice is still “good enough” with respect to trinket/gearing decisions

Which is all you need

[smoky kayak]

and that's another layer to consider w/ sims - are we simming for whatever is most optimal, or for what is most realistic? This is a question I run into a lot when it comes to implementing really niche tech that is technically an increase, but places disproportionately more burden on the player trying to execue it

[rapid zenith]

I could be wrong, but I think because during smash you generate stacks for demolish when using mortal strike, and ravager auto procs mortal strike every other tick, you will go from 0 to 10 stacks much faster for the big demolish uncapped AOE. Thats how I see critcake do it

In big pulls you can be doing 14M dps

[wintry arch]

Branch v ashes amirite

[rapid zenith]

If you wait around too long for stacks, you might miss an opportunity for max damage

[molten marsh]

that is super helpful ty

i havent thought of it as a way to get stacks tbh

only as an mbg buff

[lethal isle]

thank you for that i have posted one

appreciate it

[light dirge]

Hey guys, remnant of darkness trinket worth using at all for M+?

i've simmed and its a huge downgrade for me but just curious if it has its uses?

[serene hollow]

It does what it says on the tooltip and it does it poorly

[quaint otter]

its just bad

[light dirge]

dang

[minor gust]

Im more of a sim ST then sim AOE and make an educated decision of what you want more from there instead of using Dslice. I dont think its bad I just dont think its worth doing over patch work simming

[tepid arrow]

Hi all, I for some reason I cannot cast Heroic Leap and I would like to know if anyone has faced this and fixed this. Whenever I try to leap I always get this message.

• I am not using any macro
• I've disabled all addons (including WA addon) and still get same message
• logged out, logged in different toon, logout and log back in warrior

any feedback to fix the glorious leap would be helpful

[eager nexus]

Anyone got a video for arms mythic plus

[smoky kayak]

try untalenting and retalenting it

[tepid arrow]

trying that

still getting the same error message

[eager nexus]

Are you on a roof? I saw something in forums saying it was bugged or something

[minor gust]

Ive heard something like that aswell

change locations and try again

[tepid arrow]

I've heard that as well but no I'm not on a roof atm

I've even left Dornogal to try to test this

[uncut gazelle]

Is there any chance that Windsinger's Citrine doesn't sim correctly? I have simmed it when it was giving me haste, and when it was giving me crit by modifying my gear before I equipped it and both times it had the same numbers. Also it's losing dps to Legendary's Citrine via sims by about 5k

[minor gust]

no clue all I can think of restart the game or try it as a cursor macro

[tepid arrow]

restarting the game as the cursor macro is not working either

[minor gust]

and its just leap thats broken you can do everything else fine?

[tepid arrow]

yeah - precisely

[minor gust]

so weird

[tepid arrow]

I feel like a dk in keys with no leap

[minor gust]

ive had leap bug out like that before but just restarting or reloading has always worked

[eager nexus]

Whelp you're officially demoted to a dk lol

[tepid arrow]

looks like it 😦

[lethal isle]

hey all

is this okay for m+

also am i spending OP before MS or Cleave and if im in say aoe and i have 1 stack OP and MS is up but i would have to wait for cleave do i send MS with the OP proc or wait for cleave to come up and send a slam in the mean time

same question for single target but the other way around

[toxic socket]

is ret pala better for PI over arms warrior? 😛

[minor gust]

3+ targets Cleave > MS > OP > TC
2T MS > OP > CLEAVE
ST MS > OP > SLAM/EXE

[elfin kindle]

Which of the 2 specs wins in pure ST now? fury?

[void shell]

Reckon its worth tracking Colossal might ?

[sage badge]

[minor gust]

not allowed to spin unless this was Slayer

[sage badge]

[minor gust]

I would insert a demolish emote here

IF WE HAD ONE

[smoky kayak]

if you can make a pepe casting demolish, I'd be all for it

[minor gust]

I would If I could

[lyric horizon]

what is like, the expected damage i should be doing on arms with hc prog? ik theres a lot of questions that need to be answered for that but ive literally grey parsed every encounter so far and we are at gally. but my damage is still in-line with the other dps. also this is my first time really raiding or trying to improve in wow so im sure theres a lot of info im missing but i feel like i should be putting out better dps

[dim basalt]

Not really something we can tell because we dont know your gear or anything

[minor gust]

practicing and executing your rotation perfectly and maintaining uptime on boss as much as possible is about 97% of your dmg

if your doing both of these things well you should never be below a purple parse

[fresh spire]

deswind owns

[lyric horizon]

yea was running through simc real quick to share 😛

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/r9NbrGewh5xLjxJqFVHysJ

[minor gust]

uhhh

playing a M+ build in raid will def make you do no dmg

[lyric horizon]

oh

im stupid

sec

was doing m+ when i ran that lol

[minor gust]

but again refer to what I said early

[lyric horizon]

yea i mean, like

idk how to explain it

[dim basalt]

Very optimal damage on gally is about sim dps + 10%

Prob bit more actually

[lyric horizon]

for example this is my normal logs, left isnt sorted by ilvl while right is

but on heroic im getting no where near the same numbers

[dim basalt]

Without seeing logs Im just gonna assume there are a bunch of rotational mistakes

Or just lots of empty / unused gcds

[grand idol]

heroic fights are longer and there are more mechanics, both lower dps.

[dim basalt]

Not really no

[lyric horizon]

ive looked at wowanalyzer at the timeline and some things im not really sure how to decode lol. like this for example was at the start of a pull but ive heard that you want to apply exe early for the buff

im almost certain that wowanalyzers timeline is broken actually since all my errors have that as a message for essentially any ability

like surely slam isnt a prio over refreshing jug here right?

[dim basalt]

@lean geode

[dim basalt]

No not really, you press exe whenever one of the three conditions for exe apply

Pressing exe for no reason does not gain anything

[lyric horizon]

should i link my warcraft logs for heroic in general since logs are broken up into a few different ones

yea, that makes sense

[dim basalt]

#449510248579858432

[lyric horizon]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/gyTCmTEQoWj7zUqh9Svopw heres the right sim lol

[minor gust]

Your gear is fine besides using dogshit kujo trinket but where is your second embellishment?

But again after seeing this your problems are most likely rotational and uptime issues

[lyric horizon]

when you say second embellishment what exactly do you mean, sorry again still learning all this stuff

[minor gust]

So notice how you put the Ascendance mod on your weapon

That's an embellishment you can have two

Specifically with ascendance you want the writhing armor embellishment to buff it

[lyric horizon]

ok so does that mean i want writhing armor on a non-weapon piece of gear then? i think when i originally looked at archon for the weapon craft it only had 1 embellishment listed

[eager nexus]

world server down?

[lyric horizon]

oh im just dumb, i see

[minor gust]

Prob only had the one because we didn't have the sparks to craft wep + 1 armor till this week

[lyric horizon]

i read the most popular and just ran with it

[eager nexus]

Do we have a crit breakpoint we need to hit

[lyric horizon]

but also i guess that wouldnt matter if i would have been held back by sparks loool

[smoky kayak]

no

[minor gust]

I would focus on getting your info from any of the guides in DPS FAQ using archon alone won't give you the full picture

[lyric horizon]

yea that would def help, and also for uptime / rotational error what is like, a feasible % for most ability uptimes? like on our mugzee kill i have a few 90-100%, a few 70-80%, and a lot of 50-60%

i assume i wanna shoot for 90% usually?

[smoky kayak]

all depends on the buff/ability; it's really not that universal

[lyric horizon]

i see, well thanks for the help everyone, its a lot to take in lmfao

[minor gust]

Meant more as time spent hitting the boss and having no empty globals than buff uptime

Which will vary depending on mechanics but a lot of new players tend to play extra safe when they could be cheating a whole lot more on a lot of mechanics which adds up over the fight

[lyric horizon]

yea that actually makes sense, i do find that the balance of doing mechs / surviving / doing damage is hard to get down

[smoky kayak]

survival is always more important

[lyric horizon]

yea i try to prioritize living then doing mechs then dps

but it just feels like and is 100% me just playing badly

[minor gust]

Truth but as you get into wanting to min max your dmg more learning what you can and can't get away with

[smoky kayak]

not wrong, but that makes up like.. the last 10% of your damage

[minor gust]

But yeah if you are progging a fight as a guild survival trumps all you can hyper min max your dmg once your on farm

[smoky kayak]

not the 80-90% which is just gear, rotation, and timing

[wanton sierra]

hey how do i use best in slot w?its 2min cd

should i macro it with something

[minor gust]

Always felt like it's more important than gear because at the end of the day just getting high ilvl matters more than specific items or stats most of the time

[smoky kayak]

w/ Reck is fine

[wanton sierra]

how about as colossus arms ?

[smoky kayak]

Well, gear makes up a huge difference until it doesn't, once you get within the same range as everyone else then it; excepting a few pieces (weapon, overly emphasized trinkets) of course

[smoky kayak]

if you're using another on-use trinket, can macro it w/ CS, WB, or Ravager
if you're not, then you probably just wanna time it with Avatar or Ravager
Ravager is probably your best catch-all

[wanton sierra]

nice ty

[wanton sierra]

yes i got lucky, got house of cards with avoidance on weekly!! so ill macro it with cs/wb

[glass sphinx]

can we reflect the lines from rik reverb ?

or is there anyway to dodge them easly

[smoky kayak]

no

[wanton sierra]

do best in slot got any aura that tracks what seconderies it proc ?

[smoky kayak]

Cards syncs perfectly w/ Avatar, so prioritize that and then use Slots with Ravager - there's a sample macro in #1237307732705415228, just replace Reck w/ Ravager

there's a buff, but it's not something you need to pay any attention to

[wanton sierra]

ty arch! you rock ❤️

[mild sierra]

Rookie numbers

[lean geode]

👀

[lean geode]

Technically slam is prio over exe without jugg/SD conditions but yeah there's a bug with SD duration being tracked in the APL check there because the SD buff has some weird log event stuff

In short, some things are manually handled by dedicated modules (like execute usage for slayer fury) and some are automatically handled by event processors (like the arms rotation check)

That's also why those inefficient cast messages are weird - they're automatically generated based on the APL conditions. So "...because don't your target was below 35% HP" comes from the condition.not(condition.inExecute()) in the code, which is needed because both simc and wowhead guides have separate APLs for above and below execute range, but wowanalyzer only supports a single APL. That example isn't actually that crazy in terms of wording, but the mfe/sd/jugg execute one, opportunist, etc can get a little wacky

I'm aware of the issue with SD duration but frankly it's of relatively minor consequence and it's rather tricky to fix because of the log events I alluded to. It's definitely possible and I do plan on it, but I've been busy

[blissful sentinel]

DO I have to warbreaker before demolish? (sry new to class and spec)

Or just whenever i'm at max stacks

[sage badge]

You own

[mild sierra]

You too king

[lethal isle]

hey do you send cds as the come up or hold to match up with other cds aside from demolish and warbreaker that is as i assume that is one that you would do 😄

[sage badge]

[lethal isle]

also do you send to OP for 30% on next ms or cleave or just 1 stack

[lean geode]

You don't save demolish for WB, no. You might send it a couple stacks early if WB will otherwise end before you reach max stacks, but not a huge deal

[lean geode]

Just follow the priority regardless of OP stacks

[lean geode]

Generally just use on cd since they'll desync from each other anyways, unless a pack is about to die

[lethal isle]

okay thank you i have been saving demolish to line up with warbreaker

[blissful sentinel]

Ah ok thanks

is it just avatar with rav/storm toigether?

[olive nest]

Bro Ho-Lee!!

That tank must have pulled like an absolute unit

And you owned ofc

[carmine tide]

When do you wana break the old tier 4 set? do i wait till i can make 4p of new set or can i rock 2p/2p?

[sage badge]

Can go 2+2

I personally just went with ilvl until I hit 4p, but 2+2p is probably better/sims higher.

[carmine tide]

aweosme thank you

[compact geyser]

how do i format a timer for before pull in note ?

[hollow axle]

Do you force Colossal Might stacks during execute? Or just normal rotation...

[charred brook]

I don’t see a world where you won’t be at full stacks every time demolish is up

You just normal rotation and it will hit 10 fast

[hollow axle]

I mean... If you press MS you reduce Demos CD. But iam not pressing MS on CD, just with 2 EPs.

Of course you press Demo with 10, but iam thinking and reducing the CD

But i think i got my awnser. Since you only press Demo with CS you dont need to force stacks that much.

[tacit crystal]

arey ou awake

[rain raptor]

Hey all! Just started playing arms! Is there a spark priority on what I should craft? I dont care about raid just m+... I main bdk but just finished getting all 13s and there are barely any 14s listed so time to learn an alt!

[tacit crystal]

weapon > vers/crit lining

[rain raptor]

So 675 wep with acendance? then a lining?

[tacit crystal]

no just 675 weapon

@olive nest what guild are you in

[olive nest]

Fiend

[tacit crystal]

ty

[olive nest]

What’s up you joining 😆

[tacit crystal]

nah im hearing your mage player is a debbie downer lol

[light dirge]

sim noob question. ST sim has me changing my gems + enchants to prioritize haste since i just got an upgraded neck with a ton of crit. dungeonslice has me keeping my same gem / enchant set up. any advice what i should go for?

[frigid lava]

I'm getting tired of target # capped with fury... trying out arms today.

wowhead M+ talents good?

[light dirge]

i figured i'd go wit the ST gem / enchant set up since i prioritize raiding

[tacit crystal]

yeah

[frigid lava]

slayer? colossus? I'm about to run some M+s XD

[light dirge]

Colossus

for sure

[frigid lava]

because demolish?

[tacit crystal]

it does damage 🙂

[light dirge]

yeh it hits like big truck

riding a nukclear bomb

[frigid lava]

what's the advantage of slayer tho

[minor gust]

none

[frigid lava]

dang

[light dirge]

bigger mortal strike hits

thats about it in m+ XD

[minor gust]

still goes to colossus

[frigid lava]

hmmm

I don't like hitting demolish 😦

[minor gust]

get used to it or play fury

no other option

[light dirge]

oh yeah haha im a colsus enjoyer

do what you enjoy the most but colossus just does better

[frigid lava]

icic

time to mess with training dummies 😮

[karmic ledge]

As a new arms war, what is the most important tip to keep in mind in keys? I am reading the guide for the 100th time so I have the basic tutorial knowledge.

[minor gust]

press buttons on cd

[karmic ledge]

Super helpful

[frigid lava]

we don't do ignore pain anymore

?

[minor gust]

ignore pain was never buffed to match everything else going into TWW

[rare kite]

Nahh, they killed it in tww

[minor gust]

its very bad

[frigid lava]

Good 😮

one less thing to keybind

[random ibex]

thoughts on mythic+ build for mythic stix?

[minor gust]

unnecessary just play ST with cleave and call it a day

if you need add dmg you should just lean into playing thane fury

[frigid lava]

That's the problem with fury... as you push keys u just keep getting outdone by other classes that don't need to worry about target # capped

[sudden fox]

fuck underpin is annoying

spawns bots across the entire room

[frigid lava]

is thunderclap only way to apply mass rend :o?

[minor gust]

yes

[icy mulch]

Speaking of mass rend, anyone else notice it's not applying to all the mobs in the thunderclap.

[minor gust]

never how it worked

only applies to 5 mobs per cast

tho SS can give u extra

[frigid lava]

what's auto refreshing rend?

[icy mulch]

MS or Cleave when mobs are less than 35%

[frigid lava]

ohhh

yeah

I played arms in DF... just kinda getting refresh training

I'm glad we are kinda back to it.. I couldnt' play arms in S1 ttw

[icy mulch]

They should uncap thunderclap for both fury and arms.

[frigid lava]

oh god please

Fury is so capped on target numbers

I absolutely do terrible against dot based classes...

[minor gust]

Just MS

[icy mulch]

Right, I'm thinking something else.

[tacit crystal]

hi

help

where do i put this in my sim

[grand idol]

I just use the cheapest food. It's such little dps from worst possible stats food to best possible.

[halcyon breach]

In an advanced sim

Paste your /simc at the top, then that below

[tacit crystal]

like this

[minor gust]

Hi what Banezi said

[sudden fox]

Whoever designed underpin needs to be shot

[spiral coral]

It’s broken

I can do it on my mage, but, doing it on my Arms feels impossible

The t11 version

[sudden fox]

Bro just leaps away when im trying to kepe him on the wall, then sends shit across the room and you just lose lol

insane

[spiral coral]

When I did the regular one on Arms I just stay on him the entire time and just danced

Totally not optimal I’m sure lmao

I tried killing the ads with bombs and then just said fuck it

Bran being at like level 45.. is also insane

[sudden fox]

Quite often see bombs just go through the adds too

Wouldnt be too bad if the adds didnt just spawn on the other side of the map

[olive nest]

Oh yeah no doubt aye?? lmao

[tacit crystal]

@stable fiber

[strange perch]

at what amount of rage do we wanna use slam as filler vs waiting for resources in ST?

[stable fiber]

dumbass class

[wintry arch]

MS > OP > slam is the general ST priority

You shouldn’t be waiting for resources unless you’ve had an insane number of ms resets in a row

[frigid lava]

Not sure if my arms is better than my fury 😦 usually dead last in M+

[boreal quartz]

One pull deplete POV

[boreal quartz]

TC itself has competely unhinged target scaling

It's like sqrt to 12 then meteor to 20 or something

Dont recall the correct numbers

[tacit crystal]

me when the blood is life

[boreal quartz]

Blood is life 😋 ⛓️ 🩸

[tacit crystal]

want to watch me do key

or are you already at work

[boreal quartz]

Work

Well almost there, i slept in due to summer time

I was awake but couldnt get up and ready in time

[tacit crystal]

gg

[atomic mountain]

good morning. i kinda feel cooked. what is the difference between S1 and S2 demolish rotation priority?

sometimes my dmg goes crazy. sometimes i feel like shit and get fucked from a ret pala wit 15 gs less

[boreal quartz]

I mean both seasons you farm mega fat cleaves and demolishes

And smurf on packs in cds

[tacit crystal]

nothing changed lol

[boreal quartz]

Managing CDs is important

(sending on CD while trying to sync shit)

[tacit crystal]

uh has felt send my 45s on cd

and hold ua for dt

even though its prob better to just send ua

[atomic mountain]

yes thats normal.

[atomic mountain]

ua?

[halcyon breach]

Did you or did you not crit your demolish

That's the difference between doing damage or not

That's the secret

[tacit crystal]

unholy assault

[thick kelp]

idk felt pretty big to hold it for dt

to max my vamp strikes

giga haste

[proven gorge]

ofc I got this on the weekly on my alt instead of my main lol

[tacit crystal]

maybe but i would rather have for dt

it just feels giga

also just turbo desyncs from downtime

so im just there stroking my shit

[thick kelp]

does it

I found

pretty nice syncing

if I just dt on cd

and hold ua

for dt

[boreal quartz]

Burgerking Kitten Meowzy

Wtf

[tacit crystal]

yeah thats what ive been doing

[thick kelp]

I think I held dt if pack dies within like 10-7s

[boreal quartz]

Hold dt entire pack in +10 with geared dps

[tacit crystal]

i could also be dk noob

[boreal quartz]

Inshallah