rather than just op and slam I mean
#arms
manic river
lean geode
You absolutely MS over slam in every case
Your aoe prio as colossus is
cleave > MS > OP > exe > slam
Regardless of whether you have SS up or not
I think Fishy said there's some shit with OP vs MS in some target counts with DN but that might be fake
tender jolt
I'm just gearing towards raid atm, but I have like around 30% crit/haste/mast I just sim my st haha
manic river
You absolutely MS over slam in every case
Interesting
terse lintel
so does BT override your collateral damage proc?
manic river
Regardless of whether you have SS up or not
i thought it would change depending on that
terse lintel
im assuming you would use SS first then Avatar when thats done right
lean geode
i thought it would change depending on that
No, MS still does more damage than slam anyways, and it gives colossal might stacks
And it's not like it shares a cd with cleave or anything
If you're worried about rage, move a point from bloodborne into bloodsurge
manic river
Do you still put MS over op out of SS then?
i guess so
also our current tier set kinda makes you wanna save op for when you don't have anything else so you get stacks I guess
lean geode
Do you still put MS over op out of SS then?
Yes
manic river
I see, I also think one of my problems is that when getting ilvls my haste got fucked all the way and i need to recover more of that
too slow
manic river
https://discord.com/channels/148872210742771712/148898720803586048/1354991690598...
Ty
lean geode
Ty
I wrote up a much more comprehensive thing here #arms message which is really all from the wowhead guide but in a simpler, more condensed format
manic river
Just to cover all, is it worth it to cast cleave in st too over slam?
manic river
I wrote up a much more comprehensive thing here https://discord.com/channels/148...
Thank you a lot
lean geode
Just to cover all, is it worth it to cast cleave in st too over slam?
No but tbh I still do during MBG
manic river
heh
unborn canyon
did they remove the immunity to forced movement/knockback with bladestorm? or am i just imagining that it had that?
lean geode
Still has it
unborn canyon
lean geode
I did it last night with a bomb on cauldron
unborn canyon
gross
manic river
Oh one last thing, in aoe do you usually wait for the 10 stacks for demolish? usually on the very first one I just throw it and then the ones after that will almsot always come up with 10 but
lean geode
Man that's in the message I linked
Yes it's mathematically correct to wait for 10 stacks in aoe
In practical cases you might want to use it earlier if stuff would otherwise die, if your warbreaker is running out, etc.
lean geode
Yeah what he said
Me when I get corrected in my native language by a non-native speaker
latent moss
real and true
latent moss
me when i use funny words to feel superior
i swear people ask these demolish until 10 stacks questions cause they play fury gear colo arms
quasi torrent
i play fury gear colo arms (i swap ring and boots)
latent moss
idk i got 16k now but i havent done a key yet
with 16k
usually had around 11 and man
had bosses where ms crit is 20%
latent moss
i like big number
more crit more big numbers
real
(try not to press revenge challenge impossible)
strange perch
in m+ if there's only 2 targets left, do we still use cleave (esp outside of sweeping strikes)?
shadow ibex
over slam yes
silk spade
simc is an empiric model not technically a rigorous mathematical one
what a nerd
limpid dirge
what is it about 1armed bandit that has people going colossus
halcyon breach
what is it about 1armed bandit that has people going colossus
Boss damage being fairly irrelevant, as you'll likely hold damage anyway for better push timing and boss placement, and colossus 2target cleave being better (and arguably better bomb damage too)
wintry arch
That revenge build crit posted has been fun
Linkity link link please sir
dire hinge
Linkity link link please sir
I’m afk at the moment but it’s on Critcake’s YouTube , one of the most recent ones
crude canyon
Should I be using dungeon slice to sim M+ or is 5 bosses 1.5min combat better?
wintry arch
I’m afk at the moment but it’s on Critcake’s YouTube , one of the most recent on...
Ok gracias!
lean geode
Should I be using dungeon slice to sim M+ or is 5 bosses 1.5min combat better?
1t 5m patchwerk 🙂
If you want a general aoe vibe also do a 5t 5m patchwerk
crude canyon
gotcha ty !
dull karma
I got a question for you guys! In a M+ thrash fight, when I SS, should I prio Mortal Strike or Cleave? Be cause I just finished a 13 ML and I averaged 2.53M and looking at my details, I feel like my cleave damage is low. Lets me know (reminder to follow up for myself @dull karma )
shadow ibex
You pretty much alternate between them both in aoe since they have cds and do a lot of stuff
If one keeps getting reset keep using it p much
smoky kayak
I got a question for you guys! In a M+ thrash fight, when I SS, should I prio Mo...
3+ targets go Cleave > MS > OP, weave in Thunder Clap as needed
the biggest part of using Cleave (and Demolish) is making sure it actually hits everything, because it is a frontal cone with a very small backsplash, not a radial AoE like Whirlwind, which means that it won't always hit targets behind you
dull karma
3+ targets go Cleave > MS > OP, weave in Thunder Clap as needed
Thank you. In for another session of training dummies. I’ve been playing it wrong the whole time
smoky kayak
Thank you. In for another session of training dummies. I’ve been playing it wron...
2 targets may shift a little depending on Sweeping Strikes, but for the most part will just be MS > Cleave > OP
and ST will always be MS > OP > Slam (no cleave at all)
dull karma
2 targets may shift a little depending on Sweeping Strikes, but for the most par...
Noted and thank you again!
smoky kayak
you're welcome
vestal isle
So happy with how warrior is this season overall just really fun
And numbers are nice
steel sluice
Would be more nice if slayer was a bit better in keys, blizz where is my spieeeeen buff!?
steel sluice
Well good thing play styles and prefs are a thing because slayer feels better to me =p
Now I'm not asking slayer be better in keys just to were it's donst feel like a hard carry
halcyon valve
overbuff dreadnaught
halcyon valve
Col just feels better
Amen
naive sage
Col just feels better
I feel the opposite. I like slayer but they killed it
wary raft
I think thats the pvp one? ya still obtainable
austere hamlet
what's it called and how do I obtain it? it would go so well with my new cute witch set from the trading post
narrow flax
thought it was this one
wary raft
its an artifact apperance
narrow flax
looks like i should do the questline
and then have 15 keystones completed ? (not sure if you have to do that after questline)
junior spruce
thought it was this one
Are the PvP-Achievements still obtainable?
narrow flax
im not sure how much of this is still obtainable, hence my question
im mostly interested in the top row tho
junior spruce
Top row achievements are all obtainable afaik
junior spruce
Just know that Balance of Power takes A LOT of time lol
Beautiful questline though
swift crown
A few weekly resets generally unless they sped it up
Cause you need to collect drops from raid and don't usually get enough in a single reset
Otherwise it's not that long
Mostly the timegating
fresh spire
I can't wait to be disappointed at the .5 patch
They bugged wrecking throw
Buffed*
At least when I was looking last night
It's gone from like 105k to 770k
Before the 5x shield buff
fresh spire
minor gust
Wowie can't wait to get to pick up wrecking throw in the rookery
Now make IP a real ability again aswell
Shit was useful in high keys
left laurel
i just started arms monday i mained fury in shadows sorry i been sleeping on arms
gloomy prism
quick question why ppl using ravanger in m+ and not bladestorm
left laurel
im new but i think its to spam your cast and you arent running slayer
bladestorm locks you out
fresh spire
Bladestorm is ass. Damage is barely better than ravager if you excuse the single cleave cast during ravager being the difference
vast glacier
quick question why ppl using ravanger in m+ and not bladestorm
Because they Play colossus and Not slayer
vast glacier
quick question why ppl using ravanger in m+ and not bladestorm
There is a Post about playing rav in slayer, you can sim it for yourself. In general, bladestorm is at it current state a wacky and weak cd
gloomy prism
fair play cheers
one more question just started arms usally i am prot,... warbreaker befor each demolish?
left laurel
started my warrior Monday is already stacked TBH
vast glacier
one more question just started arms usally i am prot,... warbreaker befor each d...
Yes warbreaker is only to increase dmg Like avatar
dim basalt
Weird definition of stacked
vast glacier
one more question just started arms usally i am prot,... warbreaker befor each d...
The wowhead prio lists are very good.
gloomy prism
cheers bud will have a look
heady shale
started my warrior Monday is already stacked TBH
What add-on is that?
calm hollow
Weird definition of stacked
i would call this stacked
calm hollow
started my warrior Monday is already stacked TBH
crafted trinket 
you have jastor? maaan, thats like 45k up for me
boreal quartz
Crafted trinket is crazy
valid sage
😬
snarf, more like barf
amirite
seems like there is an invisible box in the skip corner now
literally cant even jump when in the corner, just hitting something over my head
gray herald
Crafted trinket is crazy
badass
reef birch
is there a general consensus as to whether ascension or double thread is the better for m+
reef birch
yeah...i wish it worked liek smolderon trinket and refreshed in combat
hexed snow
i would call this stacked
Now u just need .47 more ilvl
calm hollow
Now u just need .47 more ilvl
i wonder if i can have that, still 3 upgrade for the week
or 1? i'm not even sure
reef birch
double thread
council guile or radiant authority? again, m+
icy mulch
M+ authority, but still, you should sim it.
misty sandal
chilly isle
Why does bloodmallet add a stat stick trinket in the second slot?
doesnt a str + vers stat stick devalue str and vers on the other trinket they are simming?
worthy mortar
guys shold i replace circlet ring with other 2 hc rings?
rapid bronze
only took until level 8 delver's journey for it to drop
humble oxide
what is best wep to craft for arms ? claymore or axe, mace?
calm hollow
what is best wep to craft for arms ? claymore or axe, mace?
the cheapest
ripe igloo
Real quick
hexed snow
what is best wep to craft for arms ? claymore or axe, mace?
#dps-faq -> Embellishments
hexed snow
Should mention there is no difference
ripe igloo
doing mainly 11s
hexed snow
shouldd I be taking bitter immunity this week
Spammed a bunch of +12s and 13s didn't bring it, monk healer
ripe igloo
it doesnt matter at 12-13 as the affix is not there
hexed snow
Are u talking about the xalatath affix?
ripe igloo
yes
hexed snow
It is very much there
hexed snow
If it's rly bad on pugs then I'd bring it
But I haven't had such issues this week SO FAR
hollow wave
I heal 10s and it's not an issue that much
hexed snow
But also I'd rather just press the impending victory to get a stack of jeal back
Trade off is rage/dps
hollow wave
You guys are not wasting rage in m+? In AoE iam always capped rage
hexed snow
I love clicking buttons
violet steeple
It is very much there
The Xalatah affixes turn off at 12
rapid bronze
yeah there's no affix at 12 lol
unless you mean the 15 sec timer death is an affix
it's not super costly to get it for anything below 12 and will help your healer out every 3rd affix
hollow wave
Most of the time it doesn't matter that much, but I can't say it doesn't help
hexed snow
The Xalatah affixes turn off at 12
Then it must've been 11s I was doing before the 12s, bcz I remember clearly hearing her godforsaken voice
reef birch
thunderclap affects max of 5 targets with rend right? how do i keep track of whether all targets in a bigass pull have rend on them?
flat willow
Plater
olive nest
Maybe arms brothers would know
Is it pretty normal for “left quadrant” to get screwed out of quantity of small trash piles to get there ball started as we rotate boss around the room after each ball set?
On stix*
I find it pretty chill because I can just leap to a good path but that scenario keeps screwing us
charred brook
No
People are just overlapping on you
Tell them to stop
Took us about 5 pulls to get that down
olive nest
Melee assign is consistently fucked
charred brook
People tend to always do the same thing until they realize the problem
charred brook
No people need to not overlap at the start
charred brook
Big balls also shouldn’t be going for small trash unless there’s nothing left
Middle people usually go for hyenas first then scrapmaster
spiral coral
I feel like I’m pumping in keys with the colossus m+ aoe build but the slayer st rec build for raiding just feels like shit to me. Is there a good colossus st build for raiding? Or do I just have to figure out slayer lol
olive nest
Ok that makes sense Eddie appreciate it
charred brook
First 2 bigs always go for bombbs typically
Yeah just tell them to stop overlapping tbh
charred brook
I feel like I’m pumping in keys with the colossus m+ aoe build but the slayer st...
Col is pretty far behind slayer in st unfortunately
Only raid fight you use it on is OAB
olive nest
Ok that makes sense to me it’s like we’re burning to much trash around quadrants we’re moving away from aka “melee assign”
charred brook
And it feels weird to play
spiral coral
I just feel like halfway through my rotation I’m left with nothing to press
olive nest
So that’s probably the big issue
charred brook
I just feel like halfway through my rotation I’m left with nothing to press
You should always have something to press are you tracking tactician
If nothing left slam to look for tactician procs
spiral coral
Gotcha. I’m just going to spend some time on a dummy.
charred brook
Make sure you are tracking juggernaut and using slayer execute weakaura
spiral coral
Wanted to be sure before getting used to it. Because. Slayer feels weird to me lol.
charred brook
It will feel better once you get the hang of it, it’s just a lot to track
spiral coral
Tyty I knew the answer was “no your bad there isn’t a turnkey build, get better” lmao
Might just stick to fury for raiding and arms for m+ tbh
dapper plank
Make sure you are tracking juggernaut and using slayer execute weakaura
Got a link for the wa? 😄
or is it just this one? https://wago.io/0uI91uATk
oh nvm thats prob for fury
charred brook
Yeah there’s another one same as that for arms
inland drift
wonder if i can use fury raid build with the arms loadout i got , idk if 40% crit will help
olive nest
I throw on H best in slots in the offhand and swap a ring on for fury
It’s not that bad you’re still good at add damage in raid with arms gear
Just not “optimal”
inland drift
thanks :D, i do have a ring for fury and a second weapon,
quaint karma
how does arms feel in m+ atm
inland drift
pretty nice , i like it, nice dot damage, big aoe
spiral coral
how does arms feel in m+ atm
Incredible
sterile turret
Hello guys, i have crafted wrists and back and now i have free spark when i sim what is best for me to craft i tells me that i have to relace that siren isles ring with crafted one. Did the siren ring got nerf or somethink because on wowhead is written that is the best ring we can have for whole season.
solemn edge
Which arms mythic + build should i use?
eager sigil
whichever one you like most
slate sandal
What is the reason most Arms play Colossus for Bandit Mythic?
slate sandal
I see, thanks
amber hull
Should we be tracking 4pc buff for any reason or is just mostly passive? Also in M+ if i'm rocking blademasters tormet should I expend collateral before rolling self cast sweeping or cast it before it falls off? Does it stack like that?
olive nest
4pc doesn’t matter you react to and spend opportunist procs high in the prio
amber hull
That's why I love you brew
amber hull
OH HELLO THERE
olive nest
My tired ass didn’t realize it was you haha
amber hull
lol
olive nest
Arms owns!
amber hull
I'm curious, i'll have to test if it extends
olive nest
olive nest
Colo M+ is peak fun right now imo
Especially when stars align and you send a tactical nuke cleave
amber hull
seeing the cleave crit for like 8 mil sends me
bitter escarp
Demo is so fun and the fact you can leap while channeling and not miss is peak
amber hull
oh shit for real?
bitter escarp
ye it was the only reason I disliked it at first but a prot fren let me in on the tech
amber hull
I think it extends, just tested it pretty baseline and cleave crit for 2 mil without any buffs really
or not crit
hit
olive nest
Wait until you see a 60m cleave
amber hull
well i'm not sure shit will last that long honestly for it to matter now that I think abou tit
olive nest
Carry high* stack collateral buff to next pack > make sure ava wb demolish & two stacks if martial prowess are running > ravager into cleave
Boom nuke
flat willow
any dungeon outside of priory where you take blademaster's torment over warlord?
tiny dock
just curious with our opener, do I follow what wowhead has to the T or do I only send demo @ 10 stacks
quasi torrent
<@102464908976730112>
@halcyon breach
icy mulch
any dungeon outside of priory where you take blademaster's torment over warlord?
Cinderbrew, Floodgates maybe.
vast glacier
or is it just this one? https://wago.io/0uI91uATk
You can use this one, but you need to Change the buff id's for Arms
hollow plover
Wtf its @bitter escarp my pokerogue goat
flat willow
alright thx
halcyon valve
Sometimes i use spear into demolish, just to feel something
gentle frigate
For arms should I be spamming my abiltites or waiting for the auto to go off in between?
reef forum
huh
shadow ibex
You use them like any other ability
bitter escarp
Wtf its <@130067497167618048> my pokerogue goat
Hello Gamer
eager sigil
For arms should I be spamming my abiltites or waiting for the auto to go off in ...
abilities dont reset your swing timer
hollow plover
abilities dont reset your swing timer
Interve+dbts
tiny dock
so I'm seeing a lot of confusion in this channel when I search up 'opener'
wowhead MT opener doesn't seem that great either
but it does say aoe rotation send at 10 stacks
hollow plover
U talking m+ colo?
hexed snow
MT :O
tiny dock
yeah
hexed snow
tiny dock
i see a bunch of people saying you should get to 10 before sending
some people saying 8 is ok
but am I supposed to just keep ms'ing and cleaving until 8-10? or do I actually just follow the wowhead opener and send at like, 2-4 stacks lol
hollow plover
Charge, cleave, clap, roar, rav, ss, wb+ava, get 8 stacks, demolish
hexed snow
Doesn't the wowhead opener mention that the demolish is there for 8 or 10?
hollow plover
U get last 2 from unhinged during demolish cast
tiny dock
Doesn't the wowhead opener mention that the demolish is there for 8 or 10?
this is all I see on wowhead
tiny dock
Charge, cleave, clap, roar, rav, ss, wb+ava, get 8 stacks, demolish
okay this makes more sense
wb + ava and then just farm stacks as fast as possible then send demo
hexed snow
Ahh it's the rotation that mentions 10
tiny dock
yeah the aoe rotation mentions 10
which I get, but i was wondering why the opener just sends demo after 2 cleaves
hexed snow
Remember ravager casts MS
icy mulch
so I'm seeing a lot of confusion in this channel when I search up 'opener'
Heh, still funny.
tiny dock
Heh, still funny.
classic
tiny dock
Remember ravager casts MS
tru tru tru
halcyon valve
Heh, still funny.
kekw, this except its a fully stacked demolish
icy mulch
Yeah, we'd have to update it.
fresh spire
Replace release spirit with a picture of details and warrior is last
coral crescent
bladestorm more like bladedrizzle
dapper plank
If execute conditions arent met, but I can use execute do I still hold the execute even if slam is the only other thing to use? Or does this situation not really happen
swift crown
Happens a lot
Yes you slam
You're trying your absolute hardest to carry your Juggernaut stucks
That's the point of the conditionals
toxic socket
wait so we dont just hit exe when we can before exe phase? 😛
i thought we just used exe when we could and have a hope and prayer for it to proc and stop jugg from going
swift crown
wait so we dont just hit exe when we can before exe phase? 😛
Ideally you stop yourself from hitting the button until you have to (don't overcap SD, MFE, don't let Jugg or SD time out)
It makes a huge diff if you can carry your Jugg stacks to the execute phase
dapper plank
okay so its just to build jugg stack to 15 or something before going into exe phase
swift crown
It's to have the highest chance possible to keep your Jugg stacks
Not necessarily 15, however many you can get
stable fiber
some bosses you can just send the SD proc no matter what i feel, rik riverb for example with its forced downtime
one pull though i had 15 stacks like the entire pull because people would get MC'ed and i execute them
swift crown
I've carried a Jugg stack through intermission before
stable fiber
yeah
swift crown
Just has to line up well enough
stable fiber
its rare though, also much harder to do on mythic when your guild learns how to dodge and stops getting mced
swift crown
There's not really a reason not to do it, but yea some encounters it's less important than others
Technically with a bit of luck you can keep Jugg going throughout a Lockenstock pull for example
Less likely than on Fury but can happen
stable fiber
if its super early in the pull i just send the exe in the cs window for a bigger mortal strike
that might be bad though idk
swift crown
Even if you don't carry a Jugg all the way, carrying it as long as possible still means you buff your subsequent Executes
astral yarrow
sacred zodiac
shadow ibex
slow saddle
Ngl when puggin that hurts
toxic socket
whats the macro for ?? to kick the bombs?
tacit crystal
huh
naive sage
warrior arm
tacit crystal
use interact button?
toxic socket
on the underpin boss
toxic socket
apparently there is a marco that means you dont have to click it yourself as the underpins hitbox takes up the whole damn room xD making it difficult to kick bombs
sacred zodiac
idk drop it here when you find it then
swift crown
swift crown
apparently there is a marco that means you dont have to click it yourself as the...
It's the interact key
gilded basin
just got heroic house of cards from bandit because my girlfriend pressed the need button
its honestly borderline insane how she got a 89 and i wouldve gotten a solid 4
slow saddle
just got heroic house of cards from bandit because my girlfriend pressed the nee...
Gz
I lost eye, on a 93 roll, last man rolled 97
quasi torrent
if you have to roll for it you likely wont make use of it anyway
its kinda fucking bad on any non mythic length fight honestly
shadow ibex
gentle frigate
Do I try to send demolish inside SS?
agile berry
Evening all. Im wondering whether the Jastor Ring actually is something good or not?
fresh spire
its good
eager sigil
Do I try to send demolish inside SS?
yea first 2 hits work with ss
austere hamlet
was archimtiros named after this or was this named after archimtiros?
https://www.wowhead.com/classic/item=19376/archimtiros-ring-of-reckoning#comments
minor gust
Maybe you should ask the man himself
hollow wave
Not having bladestorm or having to mantain juggernault? Such a hard decision
minor gust
Huh?
harsh field
THEY'RE IS A GOD!!!
eager sigil
huge
zenith warren
Would you trade 5k dps for 5k stamina?
slender laurel
hi guys, I'm new to arms spec. Any kind soul able to guide me what is the rotations i should follow & what add-ons/macros you guys use for arms
eager sigil
wowhead has all the info you need
strange perch
why does bis feel odd , like a wet noodle, even if it sims 1% more than what i had
slender laurel
https://discord.com/channels/148872210742771712/1237303208754286715
Yeah saw that but i didn't see the rotation options ??
slow saddle
why does bis feel odd , like a wet noodle, even if it sims 1% more than what i h...
Have u set it to int?
zenith warren
you're right, need to go to wowhead and select your talents and rotation will change accordingly https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/warrior/arms/rotation-cooldowns-pve-dps
strange perch
Have u set it to int?<:keks:936231610850897992>
no, i was scared about that but no
slow saddle
Are u using its ability on cd
boreal quartz
was archimtiros named after this or was this named after archimtiros?
https://w...
obviously hed name himself after a paladin item
knotty fern
Making sure I’m not crazy, it is generally correct to only press Demolish at 10 stacks, yes?
harsh field
Meteos in the warrior discord holy
my warrior is better geared than my druid
naive breach
tacit crystal
aug
fresh spire
harsh field
important question which do you prefer arms or fury?
ive only played arms and prot this xpac
minor gust
good
fresh spire
minor gust
you passed
tacit crystal
meteos my goat
naive breach
i wonder what wouldve happened if he said fury
tacit crystal
naive breach
fresh spire
i post sad emojis
tacit crystal
^
minor gust
Based Meteos chad feral arms player vs virgin Sneaky mage evoker player
naive breach
feral 🤝 arms warriors 🤝 uhdk
spiral coral
Arms + Fire = I have carpal tunnel
I have like 5-6 alts I play with main alt is usually the fotm
minor gust
Grandpa go back too whatever game you play these days thats not wow
gaunt owl
The irl kind
minor gust
so the worst kind
tacit crystal
The irl kind
unban pauck
gaunt owl
Pauck is unforgivable
tacit crystal
gaunt owl
And no irl is fun
eager sigil
Based Meteos chad feral arms player vs virgin Sneaky mage evoker player
okay but how does meteos look in girl clothes?
unreal fog
guys whats the priority list during execute in raid? tactician proc > execute > mortal?
wanna know if I'm doing it correctly
tacit crystal
jug falling opportunist ms with 2 ep execute op
unreal fog
so the tactician proc > ms with 2 ep (so 2 executes) > execute if ms not reseted > op
if thats it I was doing it correctly ty
does the opportunist proc last till u use next op or does it have X secs before fading?
olive nest
yall know what "resilient" groups are in lfg
oh i bet theyre saying the key cant brick below 12
or w/e
level
dapper plank
Why is it, that tactican proc is higher prio than MS?
and is it only in slayer or does it also have higher prio in colossus
and in m+ for that matter
sage badge
yall know what "resilient" groups are in lfg
Correct. Means that if they fail, they may want to run again assuming the people in the group like each other.
opal ingot
any ideas wuts best atm for Cyrce's Circlet on Singing sea Citrine slot?
vast garnet
Why are top warriors running Funhouse Lens when House of Cards is supposed to be better?
peak jacinth
does the opportunist proc last till u use next op or does it have X secs before ...
It's both (technically). It lasts for 8 seconds... or until you use it.
minor gust
Why are top warriors running Funhouse Lens when House of Cards is supposed to be...
ever consider not everyone has house of cards
vast garnet
true, I assumed the top top would have it, my b
unreal fog
It's both (technically). It lasts for 8 seconds... or until you use it.
oh nice, wasn't sure if it expired or not cause I didnt see any buff at the top
peak jacinth
oh nice, wasn't sure if it expired or not cause I didnt see any buff at the top
There is a WA that tracks it. Look in our FAQ. 🙂
Seems to me that you only even need it to track during Exe. Any other time... when are you going to go eight full seconds without pressing OP?? lol
unreal fog
nah don't need the aura to track it
just wondering if it expired or noit
it's kinda dif to go 8 secs without pressing op ngl
like u said maybe only on cds and execute that u have enough rage to go withou using op for 8 secs
inland drift
as a warrior wtf do we do with this week affix?
warped solstice
Impending Victory and pray your healer doesnt get mad at you
Or just do 12s and up 5head
Bitter Immunity works also, but long CD. /shrug
quasi torrent
never used to cancel
viral locust
i swear i couldn't move at all before when casting it, maybe im going insane tho
quasi torrent
(same thing they did to eye beam after like legion 7.0)
rain cipher
This DK kept melting the the dungeon 🤦♂️
fresh spire
its pretty good
cobalt sinew
maybe its because i have more haste than crit
fresh spire
if you are playing Slayer haste is good to have, you will want more haste than crit overall on your gear
cobalt sinew
38% haste 29% crit
fresh spire
Likely hood is if you have somewhat bad dps then you are likely missing something in the rotation. would suggest reading over the guide rotations make sure you aren't missing anything
random ibex
is Mister Lock n Stalk simming ok?
mortal rivet
did my first arms key, damn its fun
minor gust
38% haste 29% crit
secondaries have way less impact on your dmg than you think. If your dmg is bad its because you have rotation and uptime issues
quaint otter
This DK kept melting the the dungeon 🤦♂️
yep better nerf ww.
quaint otter
38% haste 29% crit
Its good stats for raid
proper dawn
Is arms better than fury for keys now?
crisp crane
Is arms better than fury for keys now?
yes
scarlet field
if i follow the rotation of ravager after sweeping, it feels like ravager is done by the time i finishing my SS window and have a big cleave setup
am i doing it wrong or is that really the right way to do it?
seems like i want that big cleave to happen during my ravager?
terse plume
Ive been doing arms in key recently, feels quite a bit better on big pulls then fury atm
viral locust
slayer cook time for m+
teal fossil
Am i insane or can you move now with demolish slightly?
this was a thing since beta
i believe it was after some feedback
minor gust
well if you consider a 99% slow moving then yeah
teal fossil
yeah
kindred lava
rare kite
nah you buy them on the auction house
deep moth
They're either dumb or trolling
nova marsh
Yeah I just had someone do that in a +10
We literally spent so damn long there because the damage was so absurd we were at 12 minutes before the first boss like...that's not normal
I just gave up because that was a dead key like no shot
sage bison
They're either dumb or trolling
i did it once, getting baited by the first route on keystoneguru
insta bricked
deep moth
I would say though honestly maybe they we're trying a new route
nova marsh
yeah but like I'd say if ur doing that
...tell the group?
Bro was a master chain puller thou shit was wild
I think the healer had a stroke
deep moth
...tell the group?
Definitely do that tho
nova marsh
The forge master honestly is the one mob in M+ currently I genuinely think needs a nerf
it's actual suicide trying to fight it
deep moth
yeah for sure
also did anyone see that they don't have theatre of pain on the vote thing
rare kite
also did anyone see that they don't have theatre of pain on the vote thing
that's coz it's not a war within dungeon
deep moth
oh, that makes more sense
nova marsh
Tbh there is not a single shadowlands dungeon I actually like
Most I tolerate but none I actually like
rare kite
halls of atonement owns. both tazavesh dungeons owns
nova marsh
...ehhh yeah tazavesh is pretty good overall
I meant baseline. And halls is just kinda...fine, kinda would like to see it come back.
But really I'd rather they try some more new to M+ dungeons, like at least one per season
nova marsh
...and please don't repeat this season's, it was kinda dissapointing to see all repeats and then flood gate
deep moth
floodgate is bad
nova marsh
Yeah not a fan
deep moth
hate that shit
nova marsh
The big pulls in there are kinda nice but overall not really fun. And whoever thought sludgefist in a dungeon was a good idea needs to have a pysch eval
rare kite
floodgate easily the best war within dungeon
nova marsh
....na
deep moth
mutou legitimately trolling
rare kite
i'm not
nova marsh
But I mean the dungeons this xpack is....very very mid
rare kite
only bad thing about floodgate is 2nd boss. all the other bosses are toptier
nova marsh
Third boss in flood gate is....kinda just annoying
at least to learn in the first few weeks
But after that it's just....tedious
And then the last boss is just healer hell, but we aren't healers soooo
Also I don't like how much area denial the trash has in flood gate, feels a tad overkill
balmy kindle
What are these dungeon choices
pearl jasper
warbreaker animation changes in .5?
smoky kayak
Am i insane or can you move now with demolish slightly?
you always could, in fact if you stack enough movespeed you can actually move at an almost reasonable pace!
smoky kayak
warbreaker animation changes in .5?
yep, see it here #updates-midnight message
still fox
slayer cook time for m+
can you send a pic from talents pls
zealous pivot
whats spell reflect buffs spell id?
rich ridge
is a heroic amorphous relic good?
jade cargo
@quasi torrenthenlo danne manki
chilly coyote
Idk why the floodgate hate. Its one of the fastest, has big pulls with actual interesting mobs so you have to play the game, fun bosses and good loot
quaint otter
Yes
nova marsh
Idk why the floodgate hate. Its one of the fastest, has big pulls with actual in...
Ehhh maybe it'll grow on me. Your right thou about fast
Had a really good group that two chested it and it felt like 15 minutes. Crazy
I'm just not happy about murkface and the last boss really
Also it used to literally shoot my pc on launch despite even raid running better
chilly coyote
It's all personal preference anyways. For me I just enjoy when there's active gameplay compared to dungeons where its just a long slugfest with less to no threats like mechagon or dfc
Or top 💀
nova marsh
Oh yeah I like actually doing stuff thats engaging. The lack of polish on performance is what killed floodgate for me and I know I'm not alone
Also murkface made me wonna scream when I saw the concept
probally a sign i need a new CPU
Also I like it when the threats aren't just "Hey look it's a four caster pack have fun!" In evrey pull...looking at like half of s1's dungeons
chilly coyote
I like s2 more than s1. But I might be biased due to playing a class I enjoy more
void bay
Oh yeah I like actually doing stuff thats engaging. The lack of polish on perfor...
floodgate runs fine for me, but i have grouped with people that have said it is not
im just not a fan of that dungeon's mechanics....i hate the scaffolding dudes, and the ripsaw blade robots
just feels like there is shit everywhere
slow saddle
Ehhh maybe it'll grow on me. Your right thou about fast
Same
Floodhate is silly
Its a dungeon that has really grown on me. As most pain points are 100% removed by playing better.
slow saddle
im just not a fan of that dungeon's mechanics....i hate the scaffolding dudes, a...
Ripsaw issues negated by skill
Scaffoldin dudes can eat shit
nova marsh
The scaffolding is just an ass mechanic that feels jank
viral locust
Oops
viral locust
can you send a pic from talents pls
CcEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGmZmZGzYML2WWmZGAAAAGMNMzsMmhxyYmZsYmZYGMMAAAAAAAMjZZegxAsFGbbDsAGwMMDyAb
Bit less aoe than col, but not mega low and higher st ofc
dapper plank
is it worth having cancel queued spell in stuff like excute and overpower?
sacred zodiac
is it worth having cancel queued spell in stuff like excute and overpower?
isn't this just default spellqueuewindow behaviour
dapper plank
not sure, havent really used the /cqs in a while just remember it being at thing back in the day
sacred zodiac
idk go try it
press 2 buttons close to the end of a gcd it should only take the last input
untold pewter
Hmm crafted ring is simming as high as mythic jasper ring for me, what did you guys use your 3rd spark for? (Assuming you didn't craft a weapon)?
unreal fog
does anyone know if in the sims they do sim a execute phase? I do patchwerk but dunno if they also sim execute or not, I know that target dummy is always at 100% and execute patchwerk starts at 20% hp but how does normal or casting patchwerk work?
untold pewter
does anyone know if in the sims they do sim a execute phase? I do patchwerk but ...
Patchwerk sims execute phase and it adjusts based on massacre or not
unreal fog
ty
sacred zodiac
does anyone know if in the sims they do sim a execute phase? I do patchwerk but ...
p sure it just linearly lowers the hp of the enemy based on time spent
so at 20% of the fight left boss is at 20%
apparently execute takes a bit longer idk its probably documented somewhere
quasi torrent
merry nexus
guys - for big packs do you save sweeping strikes whilst youre spamming cleave? or is it worth it for the few presses of ms/op
dim basalt
guys - for big packs do you save sweeping strikes whilst youre spamming cleave? ...
Fervor of Battle (I believe its called that) makes Cleave cast Slam when hitting at least 2 targets, which works with Collateral Damage
Also MS has the 2nd highest prio so you still cast it a lot
But anyway, you keep SS on cd
digital sky
Why absolutely no one play ignore pain in pve ? it always seemed op to me
merry nexus
Fervor of Battle (I believe its called that) makes Cleave cast Slam when hitting...
thanks alot for that, just reading those talents and that makes alot of sense! So the slam proc from cleave still benefits from SS? so if i sweeping strikes, then cleave 3+ , i also slam 2 ?
dim basalt
thanks alot for that, just reading those talents and that makes alot of sense! S...
Yes
merry nexus
awesome appreciate the help! much love
sacred zodiac
Why absolutely no one play ignore pain in pve ? it always seemed op to me
they buffed our hp amounts but not how much IP gives at some point
go press it and see how much of a shield you just spent 40 rage on
swift crown
@quasi torrent how do I become NOT dogshit at the video game
quasi torrent
<@173741974493462528> how do I become NOT dogshit at the video game
idk
dawn prairie
<@173741974493462528> how do I become NOT dogshit at the video game
keep playing until you become good
zealous fiber
Whats better to play overall arms or fury?
unkempt wren
Arms, because fury smells like a wet dog while arms has a sexy, chiseled jawline
zenith lodge
dim basalt
Gigachad arms player vs smooth brained Fury player
unkempt wren
Don't insult smooth brains by lumping them in with fury. Its insensitive!
buoyant knoll
Heyo, returning to Arms as an alt, is it haste dependant or do the cooldowns really not align very well? do we hold ability’s for others?
somehow ravenger does not align with warbreaker a lot for me
was not an issue in season 1 🤔
swift crown
somehow ravenger does not align with warbreaker a lot for me
This is just an issue of not pressing WB on CD
If you press both WB and Ravager on CD Ravager ALWAYS lines up with every second WB
buoyant knoll
Ok, maybe it occurs when traveling to a new pack in m+ , thank you!
knotty creek
Gigachad arms player vs smooth brained Fury player
@scenic sequoia
Listen to this
just pure facts
wintry arch
Where can I find the execute priority without EP, jugg, or massacre
warm flicker
How imporant is it to keep rend up on all targets in aoe pulls
scenic sequoia
<@451392607495520257>
shut up inferior warrior
if u were a true arms main you wouldn't swap to fury in MT fights
thick kelp
Where can I find the execute priority without EP, jugg, or massacre
no jugg or massa doesnt change execute rotation, no ep makes execute prio be ms op exe
potent fossil
question- is there any reason why 658 Improvised Seaforium Pacemaker + Signet of the Priory sim worse than same ilvl Eye of Kezan + Suspicious Energy Drink?
quasi torrent
cause those trinkets are worse?
potent fossil
wintry arch
no jugg or massa doesnt change execute rotation, no ep makes execute prio be ms ...
Awesome ty!
potent fossil
ok so just go w what sim says then?
quasi torrent
yes.
wintry arch
I think I might drop EP for battlelord
potent fossil
kk ty
thick kelp
I think I might drop EP for battlelord
copy the build from crits vid
best build imo for keys
wintry arch
Will do!
scenic sequoia
just mad cause I outdps you
bro i outdps and outlog u 💀
scenic sequoia
yeah i created it to diss taters
sharp wyvern
outlog means you can log off faster than him right ?
scenic sequoia
nah means my logs are higher
sharp wyvern
nah i dont think so
knotty creek
bro i outdps and outlog u 💀
scenic sequoia
dont make me pull receipts
keen mango
Bro is the fastest /camp in the west
woven plume
I see that locknstalk is simming high for st but isn't even on the wowhead list for mt trinkets, should I just always keep it on st?
hollow plover
full melee ML13 gaming
minor gust
well not full melee you got half a melee in there
minor gust
I logged onto my ret after a long time just curious how it plays aparently at some point they did cut their abillity range
TV and blade are 12 yrds now
instead of what like 24
pale glade
20 yrd range is still a talent
its not the default "best" but with this being the season of area denial, its secretly goated
minor gust
oh you gotta talent into it
still fake melee spec fuck rets
removed all the extra melee range this expansion to make ret the only fake melee
ionic fjord
firing up my warrior as an alt, i see some contention between guides and archon on highest dps m+ build, dropping EP for BB. what should i do for someone who just wants to ooga booga on an alt with as simple a rotation as poss
dim basalt
firing up my warrior as an alt, i see some contention between guides and archon ...
Never trust Archon ty
ionic fjord
sir yes sir
dim basalt
Guides are usually up-to-date
hollow plover
robot > everything else
minor gust
you can drop EP and FB for double BB
ionic fjord
yeah but i dont want to sim my alts 😦 it breaks a my cardinal rule of not putting too much mental power into them
minor gust
Archon is fine to look at
dim basalt
You can drop EP + FB to lose ST and gain aoe via 2xBB (with sham) or 1x BB + BS
ionic fjord
ty Stjpa!
minor gust
you dont really lose a lot of ST with how colossus treats execute
dim basalt
EP doesn't feel good to play in M+ idk
ionic fjord
yeah tbh i havent played warr much since EP became a thing (it was a tier set first right ?) but i didn't like the sound of it for keys when it was introduced
minor gust
which is why ppl have dropped it but theres also nothing wrong with running the guide builds
the differences arent that important between the two
ionic fjord
rotationally BB sounds simpler tho yeah?
minor gust
your rotation wont change no matter if ur running EP or BB
ionic fjord
o ok
minor gust
but yeah BB has less brain thinky required
minor gust
dont have to worry about tracking EP if you arent already
dim basalt
Execute as col is so bad that it is still only a filler with EP
minor gust
Execute as col is so bad that it is still only a filler with EP
yeah
ionic fjord
gone are the days of condemn op huh
minor gust
eh Slayer has good emphasis on execute its fine if both hero specs are different in that regard
minor gust
demolish needs a better animation and sound effect
dim basalt
Tru
swift crown
Vine Boom every time you press it
minor gust
Poe2 aftershock sounds if you have played warrior at all in POE2
dim basalt
That would be sick
unreal fog
p sure it just linearly lowers the hp of the enemy based on time spent
Ty very much
teal fossil
gone are the days of condemn op huh
Condemn was op for one prepatch
quasi torrent
slg with pre nerf condemn conduit as fury....
absurd damage was being done
https://youtu.be/EsG5Tia5V6k?si=Z0KT6-dcakpozG6h&t=564 holy moly fury doing damage ?=????
quasi torrent
@silk spade balls8k
quasi torrent
https://tenor.com/view/cat-throwing-brick-brick-cat-gif-9142560192559212520
@sacred zodiac post parry gif
silk spade
<@235857431492558848> balls8k
very handsome
quasi torrent
chatgpt finally did something useful
swift crown
<@235857431492558848> balls8k
balls32k
halcyon valve
Vine Boom every time you press it
Yes please
charred brook
Man
I got my CS parried for the first time in a long time on OAB this week
Really reminded me of my depression
tacit crystal
in aoe hold or until cs runs out st you prob send
i like to go until cs ends but prob not best move
compact rover
do we only cast execute in ST?
minor gust
in what context
compact rover
in what context
I'm using hekili and on the 5 target dummy section it never says to press execute but in ST it does. just specced arms for the first time feeling out the spec
minor gust
I would recommend doing your due diligence and checking out the guides first before asking these questions. But if your playing colossus M+ execute is just a slam replacement
basically you will only use in ST
dim basalt
Isn't exe just a slam replacement for Slayer too
Pretty much
Mostly because of Opportunist
latent moss
?
you press exe over all as slayer
and then u have some conditions
to press other buttons
smoky kayak
in the sense that you continue to use Mortal Strike and Overpower... sure Exe "replaces" Slam
in the sense that they have the same priority in the rotation, not really no
latent moss
op if opp and low on rage
ms if 2 ep
dim basalt
Makes it feel like a replacement dunno
Not in the literal sense ofc
But overall
Man I want Col to be good on ST but not lose exe power
latent moss
idk how does it feel like a replacement when u play around it
white hedge
Gotta say what is the highest damage sim on arms now?
Everything i try to sim with drop optimiser just adds like at best 2% dps increase
Brining my damage to 2.226m from like 2.210m
white hedge
So if nothing else drops from raid im hard stuck aye?
Im using crafted 675
Stuck at that damage
Yikes
latent moss
yeah i mean u need mythic raid drops for high ilvl big pieces
but i dont raid and im still simming much higher
boreal quartz
If you dont aquire better gear your gear does not get better
latent moss
with a way worse weapon
latent moss
Gotta say what is the highest damage sim on arms now?
Everything i try to sim wi...
can u send the sim?
white hedge
1 sec
latent moss
!!!
white hedge
Will send a quick sim
My best upgrade is brew neck and god am i not trying to obtain it
white hedge
and lacking 1 embelishment
latent moss
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/bX9Ev8uiuimhCJvHdsDJ35
yeah i mean
ur talents are cooked
u dont have an embellishment
white hedge
talents cooked?
latent moss
thick kelp
and u for some reason have 1 lining and thats it
white hedge
oh right i swapped for mythic carnage OOPS
white hedge
wanted to make a x2 embelishment
the forgot i can just recraft and went
well i need to be punished for mistake LOL
latent moss
just play ascendance + craft something
i thought u could put lining on neck but unlucky
armor banding*
not lining
i crafted a neck
and 2 vers bsl
white hedge
btw the sweeing is just into bloodborne right
latent moss
yes
white hedge
sweeping*
thick kelp
should put that and finishing blows both into bb
fresh spire
Finishing dies when you don't have executioners. Don't need the rage. Full send ms op always barely ever execute
Fb just helped rage eco
thick kelp
2bb sims same as finishing but its more consitent if u have downtime
thick kelp
"cranks"
smoky kayak
I tried the 2bb build for M+, but didn't really like it
thick kelp
pepelaugh
smoky kayak
actually felt more rage starved, despite spending more rage on Execute
thick kelp
I tried the 2bb build for M+, but didn't really like it
raid speaking going on rn
shadow ibex
Cranks in many quotes
latent moss
I tried the 2bb build for M+, but didn't really like it
1bb + bloodsurge is the way
exhil procs on aoe destroy ur rage bar
esp if no shaman
smoky kayak
1bb + bloodsurge is the way
thought about trying it but the new bloodsurge is so 💤
fresh spire
thought about trying it but the new bloodsurge is so 💤
Average feeling when blizzard reworks talents :/
smoky kayak
just like to know reason
same story as Fury, Blizz buffed the crap out of rotational abilities, so there's less need to fill with other talents
white hedge
oh yikes, not sure if thats a good thing or no
flat willow
screw bloodborne, I'll put 1 point in fatality and dance of death
it's bad but I'm sure the dps loss can not be seen by the naked eye
smoky kayak
Despite the quirky mechanics, all Skullsplitter actually does is deal damage in a somewhat convoluted way
- in S1, the sum total of that damage was higher than most of our rotational GCDs, so it was worth spending the extra talent point on
- in S2, they buffed all our rotational abilities, so the damage they deal is much more competitive. Skullsplitter still actually deals good damage, it's just a less efficient use of a talent point
smoky kayak
screw bloodborne, I'll put 1 point in fatality and dance of death
honestly Dance of Death is a lot better than people give it credit for, but you need to have adds and targets actually dying for it to do anything - pure ST it does nothing
white hedge
fatality is one tilting ass talent
remember back in shadowlands or something
seeing my fatality stack at 32
seeing the other arms at 48
and i have slightly more ms hits >:C
flat willow
dance of death rookery with all the non elites everyone one shots
shadow ibex
There's no world where dance of death is better than anyone gives it credit for
shadow ibex
It lasts 2 seconds
smoky kayak
doesn't really matter if they get one shot or not, you still get the benefit
shadow ibex
The buff lasts two seconds
flat willow
exactly, it will feed on them for the actual targets
smoky kayak
It lasts 2 seconds
it lasts 6s, which is 3 extra ticks of Ravager, 30 extra rage, and 1 extra Mortal Strike from Unhinged
smoky kayak
and depending on haste shenanigans, it can actually add even more ticks of Ravager (you need pretty high haste though, likely during Hero)
shadow ibex
The buff lasts for two seconds, meaning it is a very very bad brutal finish
smoky kayak
the buff lasts 2s per target, up to 3 targets
smoky kayak
we're talking about Ravager...
fresh spire
👀 i dont want bs to extend anymore than it already is sir
flat willow
yeah we are talking about a dance of death build for colossus in m+
smoky kayak
nobody was talking about Bladestorm lol
smoky kayak
I agree, the Bladestorm benefit is total dog, but then so is Bladestorm so not much changes 
minor gust
minor gust
Everything about Bladestorm this expansion is dog unfortunately
smoky kayak
Everything about Bladestorm this expansion is dog unfortunately
except Fury kekeke
minor gust
I do like the niche potential dance has with ravager tho it just needs to be way stronger
smoky kayak
it either needs to be stronger, or it needs to have a baseline effect that helps it even in ST situations
either/or would be fine
like just off the top of my head, if DoD did everything it does right now and adds +2 ticks of Ravager by default... that might make it pretty decent even in ST situations
shadow ibex
It's at best a single MS cast assuming best possible use case. The 30 rage is beans in aoe
fresh spire
i think its just the way that it only gives a bonus from the killing hits of a target more so just a bonus. Makes its use only very very very very neish in a situation like a boss encounter where adds line up and die during it while not impacting your ability to own the boss too. Dropping a point on the bottom of the tree for it is already pretty sus
smoky kayak
exactly, it's really high opportunity cost
shadow ibex
The ticks of ravager aren't the source of the damage, the ms casts are
fresh spire
i can't ever really see being able to drop a single point on bottom of tree for it ever worth
When ravager itself does pretty poor damage
smoky kayak
that's a common problem in general, for Fury especially
shadow ibex
Taking another talent to make unhinged slightly better(1 more MS) in the event you get perfect usage of dance
Has no business being anywhere near the bottom of the tree
smoky kayak
It's at best a single MS cast assuming best possible use case. The 30 rage is be...
+1 ms is a given, you can get more
weak wave
Why does this not find any weapons?
smoky kayak
any AoE situation where 1 target dies, it's almost a certainty that 2 will, so you're gonna get that extra MS
the haste bit is a bit fucky, but you can even get more under the right circumstances
again, I'm not saying the talent is amazing or competes well against other T3 talents - that part is already well established
but it still is better than people give it credit for, even if that remains very niche
shadow ibex
6 ticks base is 3 MS. An extra 3 is 9
smoky kayak
yes that's +1 MS after 2 procs
shadow ibex
So it's 1 additional cast. Would need 10 ticks for 5
weak wave
Why can't I search for 2h weapons at Top Gear sim?
smoky kayak
I don't know why you keep trying to explain this to me like I don't know how it works lol
you get 6 ticks, every other (even) tick is an MS
so DoD needs to trigger twice to get an extra MS
like I said three times now
quasi torrent
Why can't I search for 2h weapons at Top Gear sim?
are u sure it actually has support for non english names in the search
smoky kayak
Why can't I search for 2h weapons at Top Gear sim?
you can, I presume it's probably a translation issue or something
weak wave
Any 2h weapon
smoky kayak
specifically which one
weak wave
*specifically* which one
sacred zodiac
just search for the english translation of it
smoky kayak
because yes, I am quite certain the search works
which tells me it's probably a translation issue
weak wave
sacred zodiac
suseg
smoky kayak
like I said, 100% a translation issue - I can hop into the raidbots discord and report it for you
in the meantime @weak wave, you can just add items manually at the bottom of your /simc input - look them up on Wowhead to get the id (you don't actually need the name, just ID) and follow the format
should look something like
# main_hand=,id=######,ilevel=675
add it with the other stuff under "Gear in Bags" and it will show up alongside everything else
weak wave
Alright, thanks