ig since its per target you couldnt have like a normal weakaura buff tracker for it
#arms
empty kernel
empty kernel
https://wago.io/vozArmsThunderclapRend
noice tysm!
empty kernel
The first is the thunder clap movespeed slow
i was thinking the number itself, theres a yellow number and a white one for some reason
lean geode
Oh I think that's an elvui thing maybe
maiden pulsar
ye i checked my elvui but nameplates are disabled there cause i use plater
o shit I recognize you from the MLA
thats crazy!
empty kernel
o shit I recognize you from the MLA
oh lmfao thats awesome, glad to see another MLA member
maiden pulsar
oh lmfao thats awesome, glad to see another MLA member
Im thinking of picking up warrior
maiden pulsar
its rly fun you should do ittt
I trust your judgement
balmy kindle
Arms is really fun this season
compared to the pain that was S1
Can actually play keys without people pming you to swap to fury or get the boot 
empty kernel
Can actually play keys without people pming you to swap to fury or get the boot ...
got kicked from a brew cause lead noticed i wasnt arms yesterday 
tacit crystal
Can actually play keys without people pming you to swap to fury or get the boot ...
huh
yeah
balmy kindle
Lmao how the tables turned 
empty kernel
i dont blame him either tbf
tacit crystal
ive been doing keys as arcane and no one cares
empty kernel
fury in those mass AoE pulls in cind is not great
balmy kindle
Yeah permanently stuck in 5T 
Season 1 was so miserable since fury was superior, mostly with survivability
minor gust
just how it is with M+
tacit crystal
just how it is with M+
the worst part about playing arcane is having @stable fiber burst in 5 seconds the pack is dead and i only just cast 2 globals
lol
minor gust
Mage spit
empty kernel
how come arms is better in mass AoE anyways? looks like both the bleed from cleave and rend also is reduced dmg beyond 5 targets right?
balmy kindle
how come arms is better in mass AoE anyways? looks like both the bleed from clea...
Cleave and collateral damage
empty kernel
Cleave and collateral damage
i seeee
random ibex
Sadge that my guild gets mythic rik on my worst pull of the night
minor gust
i cant even do my burst man
deserved
minor gust
im raiding rn
tacit crystal
bro...
balmy kindle
This week's affix is amazing for arms due to how you can abuse sweeping strikes
minor gust
unless you have an on use trinket
tacit crystal
unless you have an on use trinket
balmy kindle
cant keep playing fury in this dungeon i gotta learn :(
Think Fury's alright as shown with guys like noxiv piloting it on high keys, but you do need others to cover the aoe part
peak jacinth
PSA: The "restore item" feature goes back months and months and months!
I've restored items 4+ months old before. And it was still letting me go back further. 😉
minor gust
we kill rik next week surely
its ok Richard is harder than Gallywix you guys g ot this
empty kernel
Think Fury's alright as shown with guys like noxiv piloting it on high keys, but...
isnt noxiv swapping to arms for cind?
tacit crystal
why when prio is more important there
they have a hunter exploding rest of the shitter mobs
minor gust
someones gotta kill Chewie
balmy kindle
Serious, only saw vids on YouTube and it's pretty much still fury
tacit crystal
him wand wox just prio
empty kernel
hmmmmm
balmy kindle
Mm hunter doing MM things
tacit crystal
its not important damage moving them forwards
they are gatekept until chewie or muscles die
hazy grove
I made my cloak last week without thinking, if I dont get a weapon in vault next week should I craft a weapon?
balmy kindle
Yes
empty kernel
okayyy starting to get a feel for arms
lean geode
LARGE
lean geode
knotty orchid
warped idol
minor gust
no catalyst next week
tacit crystal
no catalyst next week
are you currently in the game
minor gust
yeah
tacit crystal
what server are you on
minor gust
Stormrage
strange perch
Is bonegrinder something we still need to track?
I'm not sure if I'm supposed to keep track of it and use cleave in ST situations during M+
maiden notch
Don’t cleave in st unless you get colleteral stacks
Priory first boss is an example of where u play st and have a sweepingstrike target.
smoky kayak
Is bonegrinder something we still need to track?
not even in AoE, since you're basically using Cleave on CD anyway, but since it's active during Ravager it's pretty easy to tell when it's up even without any kind of tracker
maiden notch
It’s kinda like tracking colossus smash.
After you pressed it, you know the dmg amp is up. If it misses and the debuff is not applied you can’t do anything about it so you proceed as normal.
balmy kindle
Think i should embellish it ?
Depends on your setup, personally I stuck with twin duskthread, but the writhing + ascendancy on weapon works too
slow saddle
I made weap. Bracers next week in 4 weeks i might switch to dusk tbh
frosty remnant
yall think its worth catalyzing
minor gust
yes! do it!
exotic knot
3 > 0
100% worth
ornate aurora
Do you guys swap to adds on mythic bandit or just SS from boss?
cold cliff
Hey. New to arms here. Only play it for raids. Maybe silly question, but I read:
Cast Execute when any of the following conditions are met:
- Your target has 3 stacks of Marked For Execution
- Your Juggernaut is about to expire
- Your Sudden Death is about to expire
- You have 2 stacks of Sudden Death
Does that mean that I completely ignore execute until any of those are met and focus on overpower, ms, and slam, instead?
minor gust
This is specifically for pre execute phase but yes that's exactly what it means. Basically only consume your SD proc if any of the conditionals have met
latent moss
Hey. New to arms here. Only play it for raids. Maybe silly question, but I read:...
Sudden Death Execute
outside of execute phase
halcyon breach
Do you guys swap to adds on mythic bandit or just SS from boss?
Swap to reel assistants, they gotta die while boss damage will be taken care of
minor gust
If you feel like that's a lot of brain power there's a great WA in DPS FAQ that will do the thinking for you
halcyon breach
As for bomb adds, just sweep them down from the boss
cold cliff
Nice, thanks.
minor gust
I heard @latent moss this guy made it
latent moss
🐐
minor gust
What a fucking legend
tacit crystal
What a fucking legend
what a fucking loser
latent moss
😊 thank you pauck
tacit crystal
@latent moss
latent moss
@tacit crystal
minor gust
💀
ornate aurora
Swap to reel assistants, they gotta die while boss damage will be taken care of
Fair enough, do you think playing fatality is the play anymore or naw due to gear+buffs or should I wait and see if we hit enrage first and make the call myself if its needed?
thank you
halcyon breach
Fair enough, do you think playing fatality is the play anymore or naw due to gea...
I'm playing entire left side with executioners, but only seen 32% once so not even fatality range
Idk if it's worth, I personally hate the talent with a passion, but there's merit to it at least because all meaningful boss damage really happens during execute anyway (from us)
minor gust
I'm playing entire left side with executioners, but only seen 32% once so not ev...
you playing colossus or slayer for bandit?
ornate aurora
Mmm I see ty!
minor gust
im curious to see how bandit goes once we see more warrior logs
halcyon breach
Did a few Thane pulls to see what it's like, but target swapping is too shit for Fury so I didn't bother
minor gust
yeah
thick kelp
only downside of colossus
is that you coinflip all bomb sets
in terms of your damage to them
minor gust
the ol crit or no crit I see
halcyon breach
Somewhat
halcyon breach
The biggest coin flip is are you fixated
minor gust
oh lol
thick kelp
You can coinflip cast demolish if fixate on you but from seeing other pov's it doenst seem worth it
tacit crystal
Thane at least can just tclap from miles away
press heroic throw noober
halcyon breach
I have gotten used to using demolish even if I'm fixated
minor gust
we just started Stix prog so still got some time before bandit
halcyon breach
And hit them and not blow up
minor gust
one day
latent moss
surely not all of our aoe comes from 2 spells
minor gust
surely they know about the ravager incident and will buff BS in .5
minor gust
what if they gave us fury BS
latent moss
make it giga fast
no
like
it just feels worse no matter how fast it is on st
they should let us play ravager on st
pressing ravager and spamming exe
dull siren
Yap yap yap
latent moss
is so much better than bs
latent moss
Yap yap yap
are u 675 ilvl yet
dull siren
666
latent moss
have u used any crests
minor gust
damn im yoked only 1.5 ilvls behind Tmy
latent moss
damn im yoked only 1.5 ilvls behind Tmy
he hasnt used any crests
tacit crystal
he hasnt used any crests
real
minor gust
like any not even to upg myth track gear?
tacit crystal
be me being 2nd warrior becuase i joined swordish's guild
tacit crystal
like any not even to upg myth track gear?
that guy is spoonfed
minor gust
latent moss
beyond fed
magic canopy
latent moss
that guy is spoonfed
top 3 highest ilvl warriors in 10.2.5
tmy tmykrigare kidpuncher
(3 tmy characters)
tacit crystal
i want to see
latent moss
effort
tacit crystal
gg
balmy kindle
Too much creatine
latent moss
start spending crests timmas
latent moss
tmy at 21 XD
he got myth track weapons on lile
all characters
its actually annoying
latent moss
and i get fucking
tacit crystal
on any character
latent moss
honey buzzer
tacit crystal
im crahsing out
minor gust
if you crafted a wep you will get a wep in vault the next week
balmy kindle
Wdym, you will get it after u craft
balmy kindle
It's the unspoken rule
minor gust
that is the way
tacit crystal
i crafted
latent moss
thinking i will get a weapon
tacit crystal
if i get a 2h
latent moss
not normally...
tacit crystal
im going to scream
balmy kindle
Some blizzz intern : he has hope, now put 3 weapons in his vault
latent moss
tacit crystal
@reef glade if i dont get gear from raid im crashing out
dull siren
yappers
eager sigil
stupid not to at this point no?
quasi torrent
<@593536556472729602> if i dont get gear from raid im crashing out
explode then
slow saddle
Arms needs buff
hmm i wanted to max upgrade my trinkets but i cant
coz next week is
shard + a mythic item
😭
ornate aurora
Might just fool around and player slayer with long sweep
do you raid today?
thick kelp
do you raid today?
Yes
chilly coyote
are there any dummies that doesnt go to 1hp instantly
because I dont wanna practise execute phase but the dornogal ones have been useless all s2
thick kelp
Just dont hit execute
thick kelp
not gonna break your practice
chilly coyote
it does, but it is what it is
minor gust
Die filthy fotm rerollers (no context overall)
latent moss
🐐🥀
slow saddle
Die filthy fotm rerollers (no context overall)
i hope u played SLAYER ST
well with cleave
in my dreams
fresh spire
Die filthy fotm rerollers (no context overall)
Tell me when you find a good pug mage in keys (you wont)
minor gust
I checked he had 4pc
minor gust
wasnt even like pulls were dying to fast either multiple pulls I had enough time for 2 WB and demos
fresh spire
Surely bladestorm buff soon 🙏
minor gust
if it wasnt this last tuning patch we def aint seeing it till .5
you know ive never payed attention but is seismic reverb even working right now
my dmg numbers nor details shows it
minor gust
tacit crystal
dunno
minor gust
Details used to track it with WW
tacit crystal
i barely look at details besides dying
thick kelp
Shadow Cleave
tacit crystal
i need to disable it tbh
minor gust
Shadow Cleave
I see nothing for shadow cleave
hmm maybe my details isnt set up to show it. doesnt show for WW anymore either
thick kelp
I see nothing for shadow cleave
oh no its a thing from arms artifact
minor gust
ight
ill have to log a key I wonder how much dmg it does with cleave was piss useless with WW in DF
minor gust
ooo yeah ima do that
quasi torrent
Die filthy fotm rerollers (no context overall)
mage players deserve all misfortune that comes to them
minor gust
yeah @tacit crystal
thick kelp
twinkgf
tacit crystal
quasi torrent
minor gust
quasi torrent
should be mapoggs
fresh spire
thick hamlet
which bosses do you absolutely swap fury for
i have done everything on arms so far, but after having to play collosus for stix i found that fury is just way ahead of arms on this fight
minor gust
I didnt even bother trying colossus on Stix tonight shit just sounds like it would feel unfun to play on that fight
mtn thane and vibe
fresh spire
Playing fury for stix
spark mango
thick kelp
Do you stream? I would be interested to see if you try slayer
Would stream if I wasnt stuck with laptop 
But my guildie will probably maybe stream
also we public log so you can stalk those
boreal quartz
my character name is same as here
philwarlhe
thick kelp
philwarlhe
xfd
boreal quartz
first project is the pauck hunter tho
naive sage
Die filthy fotm rerollers (no context overall)
What’s your ilvl?
peak jacinth
why cant they just have a dummy that isnt shit instead
Better question: Why isn't there a unique target dummy... that let's YOU input how much health it has? Seems so obvious...
minor gust
What’s your ilvl?
was 662 that key cuz I forgot to requip my bracers normally 664
gray herald
solo instance with customisable target dummies that allows you to apply raid buffs and consumables and lust and reset all cooldowns
when?
minor gust
Dornagol dummies fixed to not go to 0 hp in 2 seconds when?
gusty tangle
does anybody know If is bloodmallet up to date on the new trinket buffs?
gray herald
does anybody know If is bloodmallet up to date on the new trinket buffs?
it is
icy mulch
first project is the pauck hunter tho
Unhinged with pets?
hollow plover
@daring heron bless your thumbnails man. Good shit.
daring heron
it's my finest work yet
pale glade
its a masterpiece
hollow plover
^
boreal quartz
Unhinged with pets?
Yes
daring heron
I never saw it before lmao
my reaction to that was good iirc
and i figured it out after key
hollow plover
yepyep
crude bridge
Where do you fit in executes on the slayer single target rotation? Where are they in the priority list if you have procs for free ones
hollow plover
Where do you fit in executes on the slayer single target rotation? Where are the...
this is the arms channel tbf but you wanna execute at 3 stacks of MFE or 2 stacks of SD - or to uphold ashen juggernaut i suppose
oh wait im dumb
u meant slayer arms right
not fury
im cooked
crude bridge
Yes lol
hollow plover
okok
similar idea
3 stacks of mfe
2 stacks of SD
or to uphold juggernaut
don't insta click execute justb ecause it lights up
and when you hit 35% boss hp, you wanna use 2x execute inside each mortal strike window
dusty anvil
is it common to have juggernaut fall off before SD shows up ?
fair tinsel
When do I ms in execute range if not taking EP, I assume it's just above overpower and slam and that's it?
in st
icy mulch
Or boss phasing, or other Area denial things.
astral yarrow
When do I ms in execute range if not taking EP, I assume it's just above overpow...
if you are talking about the m+ build, execute just replaces slam in the rotation
astral yarrow
with no EP, theres little reason to press the button
fair tinsel
trying to flee from fury rn
astral yarrow
i'd flee from warrior, but one mans trash another mans treasure
fair tinsel
Oh my ret and dh are both 650ish
icy mulch
I will never leave warrior.
fair tinsel
Seems like another s1 shadowlands/bfa s1 situation for fury
astral yarrow
or well it obviously works, but mage/dk/boomie/enh is just better in every way
icy mulch
When we are finally made meta, I will have my moment of glory and still hate the meta chasers.
fair tinsel
tww prepatch was fury meta
so many rets in partychat from lfg crying and saying stuff like "enjoy it while it lasts" like I didn't know blizz would fix warriors doing damage in a key
astral yarrow
the damage nerfs were giga stupid while the issue was how fast the damage was done
but cant expect blizz to think before nerfing
fair tinsel
Wish they'd just do aura buff/nerfs to balance raiding and leave m+ players alone
If it works in ladder it can work in raid
icy mulch
And now Fury is in a trash state for M+ because it just can't hit everything.
fair tinsel
or not design 1/2 of season 1 raid fights around sniping adds, but hey!
astral yarrow
i'd honestly end it if keys were all i did
icy mulch
What really annoys the fuck out of me with target caps (arms and fury), is thunderclap/rend. Pack of 10 mobs and it won't spread to everything with clap. Yet feral druids can spread Rip all over the place in one button.
fair tinsel
nvm I have the literal guide telling me to ms over exe
gonna need an iv of monster at this point
brain eroding
ty
icy mulch
get sleep
slow saddle
What really annoys the fuck out of me with target caps (arms and fury), is thund...
Clap 100% needs to spread to all since cleave dw does
fair tinsel
blood and thunder used to just hit all back in the day iirc, idk why they changed it
they can also just uncap meat cleaver, boom fury saved
hire me blizz
fair tinsel
rend with big snapshots in mop was so satisfying
slow saddle
Id say buff of soft cap it to 8 again
icy mulch
When they dropped thunderclap to 5 targets so Mountain Thane Fury doesn't go crazy.
slow saddle
I mean rend apllied to all would be fair no?
lunar remnant
So I’m trying to min max arms / fury on each fight - looks like we only go arms for cauldron bandit and mugzee?
slow saddle
Its kindda funky it doesnt atm
gray herald
So I’m trying to min max arms / fury on each fight - looks like we only go arms ...
and potentially sprocket
icy mulch
It would, and would save a global for more cleave in big target packs.
slow saddle
I mean playbwhat u prefer
Tbh fury is prob just overall stronger exept mugzhee
I still arms when i can. But fury paddin is real
vapid pine
What's current ideas on bandit mythic? Feels like an Arms fight fundamentally, but bombs cleave looks hella fury-esque
gray herald
colossus arms seems fun there
hollow plover
mugzee arms is nice cause you can perma extend juggernaut
gray herald
but I've not really looked into it much
slow saddle
mugzee arms is nice cause you can perma extend juggernaut
Man i miss demo stackd on execute
Can we buff collosus in st pls
fair tinsel
Should arms be near/above enh? asking because I am TURBO new to arms tbh, was a 10 ml
Feel like enh should hose warrior specs
sly geode
Hi! How significant are the differences between colossus and slayer on both st and aoe? Is slayer viable at all in m+ bc demolish feels awful to press as a button
vapid pine
Should arms be near/above enh? asking because I am TURBO new to arms tbh, was a ...
Ye Arms kinda pumps atm, in 10's anything can happen too
fair tinsel
neat
as fury i'd prob have gotten hosed that key hard
guess I statswap or get an arms set
strange linden
Ye Arms kinda pumps atm, in 10's anything can happen too
Does arms only pump in execute phase? I feel like I don’t pump outside of execute phase, so is that our bread and butter?
fair tinsel
spec feels so fking weird compared to how it played in mop
strange linden
I also only have 2-tier set bonus
minor gust
Should arms be near/above enh? asking because I am TURBO new to arms tbh, was a ...
theres so many different things that contribute to overall it really is pointless to compare like that
fair tinsel
prob woulda beat them with 4pc
fair tinsel
I'm referring to the somewhat boomer apm
vapid pine
Does arms only pump in execute phase? I feel like I don’t pump outside of execut...
Depends a lot on if you're talking M+ or raid. In keys you barely press Execute. In raid we're probably the best execute-spec, and outside of it we're still aight
strange linden
My issue is sometimes rage management as I’m spamming slam in between OP & MS
fair tinsel
compared to how it felt back then with mop arms
strange linden
Depends a lot on if you're talking M+ or raid. In keys you barely press Execute....
Sry for confusion, I’m referring to raid
fair tinsel
wod kinda introduced the whole low apm shit for arms which is why I fled the spec back then, lmao
dim basalt
In raid you should never have rage management issues outside of exe phase
rancid solstice
You’re still pmuch gcd capped on arms
fair tinsel
but #s are #s, flatout better spec
strange linden
In raid you should never have rage management issues outside of exe phase
Anything you suggest by chance?
vapid pine
My issue is sometimes rage management as I’m spamming slam in between OP & MS
This will happen sometimes depending on procs and shit, just gotta make sure to not miss melee hits and use Sudden Death and Opportunity procs properly
dim basalt
This will happen sometimes depending on procs and shit, just gotta make sure to ...
You need absolutely insane procs for it to happen outside of exe though
olive nest
The only way you can really have rage issues even in execute is if you somehow are missing autos or you are not sending opportunist procs >> MS
rare kite
Hi! How significant are the differences between colossus and slayer on both st a...
hello mate, slayer is pretty far behind in m+
strange linden
This will happen sometimes depending on procs and shit, just gotta make sure to ...
Ty! Also, (sry lol) am I ONLY using MS with 2 stacks of execute in execute phase or only using MS with a minimum of 1 execute stack
rancid solstice
Crit moves the needle for arms the most when it comes to rage, then haste, hopefully you have some of those
Stack EP twice
vapid pine
Ty! Also, (sry lol) am I ONLY using MS with 2 stacks of execute in execute phase...
Priority is best understood by reading guides tbh, but only use MS with 2 stacks of EP in execute
sly geode
hello mate, slayer is pretty far behind in m+
Thank you, is it possible to play colossus without including demolish in its rotation?
rancid solstice
It is possible. But major dps loss
sly geode
Okay I see .... In which case, would colossus without demolish or slayer be worse?
rancid solstice
If you have to ask just play slayer
flat willow
if you plan on not pressing demolish you probably should play slayer
sly geode
Thank you!
rancid solstice
Idk if it helps but if you’re pressing demolish at bad times and getting hit by stuff you can heroic leap during demolish cast to get to safety
rare kite
slayer arms is pretty bad in keys
sly geode
honestly tho you should get used to demolish <@359995702799106049>
I dislike channelled spells
sly geode
or go fury
I don't want carpal tunnel!
rare kite
and you like slayer? bladestorm is like the longest channeled spell
sly geode
and you like slayer? bladestorm is like the longest channeled spell
Ravager isn't channelled
rare kite
yea but slayer gets forced into bladestorm in keys
rancid solstice
10s are easy this season you can get away with whatever 10 and below but if you’re hunting rating you’ll want to play colossus
sly geode
What do you mean by forced? I can still choose ravager in my talents
minor gust
flat willow
yes but most slayer talents don't work with it
sly geode
Arms seems so complicated now, the last time I played it, it was a four button spec! 😔
flat willow
also fury isn't that much faster than arms in M+, they play powerful enrage instead of frenzied
and arms is pretty much gcd capped
so the apms are mostly the same
minor gust
Arms is a lot more plug and play and easier than fury is right now
rare kite
Arms seems so complicated now, the last time I played it, it was a four button s...
don't think it's complicated. it is very clunky tho
just doesn't feel right
stable fiber
arms feels easier than fury rn
flat willow
better than season 1 tho
stable fiber
"just cleave"
flat willow
just send it
stable fiber
there is a lot more thinking in m+ as arms than there is for fury
rancid solstice
Prot pretty sick rn at least
minor gust
I think fury has way more thinking involved than arms in M+
olive nest
Probably not worth holding more than like 8-10 seconds on rik to do more add damage right?
Just sweep pretty much?
(Already killed as fury just want to play arms this week)
minor gust
if your cleaving on cd your doing 80% of your dmg
it doest really matter what else you press as long as cleave is on cd
Arms probably just feels harder cuz demolish
rancid solstice
I happen to think arms is easier in m+, I hate managing meat cleaver
wide pebble
it doest really matter what else you press as long as cleave is on cd
Do you basically just adhere to this and make sure you’re not capped in OP charges, CDs on CD, and align Demolish with SS and war breaker?
stable fiber
I happen to think arms is easier in m+, I hate managing meat cleaver
"managing"
just push whirlwind
minor gust
nah its buff stacking that is what makes arms harder
fury is the same no?
stable fiber
not really
rancid solstice
just push whirlwind
Every 4-5 gcd you refresh buff. When you’re rapid firing globals I’d call that managing
And it’s not consistent even then bc thane procs are random
minor gust
Do you basically just adhere to this and make sure you’re not capped in OP charg...
No I am being a little silly and over exaggerating a tiny bit your core aoe rotation is Cleave > MS > OP > TC but like cleave is pretty much all your dmg there so it really doesnt matter a whole lot with what your pressing inbetween cleave cds. As far as cds go in aoe WB and Demo should always line up together. Should only desync in ST
rancid solstice
So ye im a fkn manager
flat willow
just put a shotgun weakaura every time you gotta press whirlwind
bad for your ears on the long term tho
rancid solstice
Ye maybe
flat willow
olive nest
minor gust
not really
not like full mastering the spec but just on a plug and play what do you think is easier to pick up as a new player. I genuinly think arms because of how strong cleave is. I think a lot of new fury players do and will struggle with paying attention to WW stacks
wide pebble
No I am being a little silly and over exaggerating a tiny bit your core aoe rota...
Thanks, this is helpful, I was prio-ing OP over MS in AOE, but I understand not doing that in order to get Demolish up faster
minor gust
there was someone earlier talking about this very thing for fury said their friend was doing terrible aoe and the cause was found out to be because he wasnt always cleaving with WW stacks
rare kite
not like full mastering the spec but just on a plug and play what do you think i...
plug and play definetely arms in keys. there are some optimizations for arms but that is for more advanced players
minor gust
yeah like you will do pretty good dmg on arms just by pressing cleave
ignoreing everything else
latent moss
ive seen a lot of people press ravager when everything is down
rancid solstice
“just push whirlwind”
dull karma
I’ve got a question. Should I always Demolish after WB? Or is there it is just important when going into a pack?
rancid solstice
Just demolish while warbreaker debuff is up at least
latent moss
u want to align them
dull karma
Okok
latent moss
not like full mastering the spec but just on a plug and play what do you think i...
yeah but thats like
beyond noob levels
minor gust
hey they exist
dull karma
And do you send Thunderous Roar and ravager on CD?
latent moss
aligning demo and wb sometimes is nightmare and wrong choice = rip dps
playing around cd with rava too
minor gust
roar you can send on CD ravager you want to hold for your next WB
latent moss
ye roar is irrelevant cause dots are irrelevant xdd
its funny
how little damage dots deal now
minor gust
Twords gutted
dull karma
roar you can send on CD ravager you want to hold for your next WB
Oh wow..
latent moss
remember when rend was top dps
in s2 df
good old days
u actually had to apply rend
now u just tc once
strange linden
Priority is best understood by reading guides tbh, but only use MS with 2 stacks...
Thank you friend
latent moss
they dont interact with the kit
stable fiber
I didnt see you said pick up and play
latent moss
they just tick in the background doing damage
thick kelp
back when impale was still part of rend
stable fiber
Arms is defo easier to just pick up, but lining up cds or knowing when you hold is way harder than just pushing whirlwind
latent moss
back when impale was still part of rend
sl...
sl arms rage economy i miss you
late sl arms rage economy i miss you*
rancid solstice
Are you guys trying to play around fitting collateral damage into merciless bonegrinder?
sullen blade
I'm a 2m dmg overall noob, "best" has been like 3m
In M+10 I just panic and lose uptime cuz I'm too scared to die to all the shit on the floor, welp guess I have to play this game for longer than 1 week
latent moss
yes
cd is massive
and mbg is a massive buff to it
sometimes u hold cd at the end of the pack
to have cleave for the next pack
rancid solstice
Yeah that’s where I’m sucking
shadow ibex
I love how they changed arms rage because whatever reason and we're in the same exact rage situation as DF
latent moss
if u have cd cleave, always apply deepwounds with warbreaker
and after demolish to get the buff
sullen blade
can't I just blame the tank for not pooling mobs and having a nice melee friendly route?
latent moss
I love how they changed arms rage because whatever reason and we're in the same ...
involuntary resource starving is the worst thing ever
why am i getting punished for playing the spec properly
dull karma
If I got like 12 stacks of collateral damage going into next pack, when should I send my cleave? Early on to apply Deepwounds or after WB?
thick kelp
Charge aa parry
rancid solstice
If I got like 12 stacks of collateral damage going into next pack, when should I...
wb applies deep wounds
dull karma
Yeah so I should WB then cleave to get the fullest damage out?
latent moss
Charge aa parry
why does bs apply dw but ravager doesnt
rancid solstice
You’d want to press it after wb and hopefully with ravager for MbG buff
latent moss
Yeah so I should WB then cleave to get the fullest damage out?
wb demolish cleave
u deal more damage to enemies u demolished
cd cleave is worth optimizing for
dull karma
Oh wow, demo before cleave. Alright! Thank you guys for answering these doubts. Time to hit the dummy and relearn the spec
rancid solstice
Oh wow, demo before cleave. Alright! Thank you guys for answering these doubts. ...
That’s just with stacks of collateral
dull karma
Yeah
dull karma
But in M+ it happens often
latent moss
if its 5 stacks who cares
flat willow
so basically : warrior needs a lot of rage because " you got rage starved and lost dps because you dared press buttons " is the worst possible gameplay in the game
- we aren't allowed out of gcd rage dumps like heroic strike or focused rage because warrior was chosen as the " beginner class " in wod
and rage without off gcd dump is just shitty energy
so warrior will now forever be stuck either " so much rage it might as well not exists " or " rage starved piece of shit "
latent moss
just send how you want
flat willow
latent moss
so basically : warrior needs a lot of rage because " you got rage starved and lo...
sl arms didnt starve on rage
you starved if u spammed slam
which you didnt
cause u dont want to starve
rancid solstice
Ignore pain tactician fishing
latent moss
i liked it
rancid solstice
Rip
latent moss
it was slow, you had to think about what to press
latent moss
idk play fury then
or just play arms cause blizzard doesnt know what to do with this spec
flat willow
nice answer
latent moss
which is apparent
because people want arms to be fast and still hit insanely hard
which just doesnt work
rancid solstice
Arms now is at least better regarding the don’t push buttons thing
latent moss
you are either slow and hit hard or fast and hit small
flat willow
why
or you can have multiple fast hitting low damage buttons and big finishes
why is there only 2 options in your world
why can there be infinite amount of possible gameplays
latent moss
current arms is like that
its just instead of having low damage buttons all ur buttons are low damage except cleave
unless u have modifiers
opportunist / tier / colossal might for op
flat willow
yes, and it's better than most versions of arms we got since bfa
flat willow
you got big cleave hits, demolish, mortal strike also deals a lot of damage when it wants to
latent moss
i dont like it cause its just wannabe fury
flat willow
and lower overpowers/execute/slam
you say it's wannabe fury because it isn't slow, that's the only thing they have in common
arms wasn't slow in 80% of the expansions
and when it was people hated it
minor gust
Is this expansion the lowest windfury has impacted arms? Feels like it
latent moss
havent raided without it but i doubt
its like late df prob
low value outside of exe huge value in exe
gray herald
i think it's just less noticeable since you always have it in raid
is it also a weaker spell? skyfury vs the old totem
minor gust
DF had Tom which is what carried our windfury value
latent moss
current iftk in 10.2 was on par
with tom
like full duration of cs with blunt instruments iftk
and ur rota was the same
u spammed exe and pressed ms in overlaps
teal fossil
Is this expansion the lowest windfury has impacted arms? Feels like it
early DF
after op changes
latent moss
you say it's wannabe fury because it isn't slow, that's the only thing they have...
i mean if they could pull off a design where u play high haste have guaranteed crits on ms/exe from big procs and ur rage gen wasnt tied to autoattacks that would be insane
but its easier to do nothing
like reworked mastery into sudden death like garms said
huge sd procs
cs on tactician like legion or something
with shattered defences
raven peak
I really don't want to abandon fury over arms in M+ but arms just feels "off" to play. there seems to be no rhythm inherent to arms unlike how i feel a certain jive in fury. cooldowns look as if theyre desync'd most of the time, and button priority seems so random to me.
I know im saying this because its definitely outside of my comfort zone and how i perceive it informed by empirical observation and how it feel (which is probably straight up incorrect)
ive read the guide and i think i dropped about 18 mil DPS in a huge AoE pull with lust, but it falls off to around 4 million after that burst window/opener. Any tips at all to get a flow kind of state going?
flat willow
I agree that an arms rework could be great but I'm not expecting it so I'll settle with arms having a decent gameplay like right now
maybe another ret rework for 12.0
latent moss
mage rework 11.1.5
raven peak
rotation is very straightforward
but then OP glows before MS or cleave so i feel as if i have to press that???
thick kelp
in aoe
latent moss
ye in aoe
raven peak
I really don't want to abandon fury over arms in M+ but arms just feels "off" to...
huge 80% fall off makes me want to vomit
thick kelp
if u play the non ep build ofc
raven peak
correct me if im wrong, my opener is charge into thunderclap (for rend) then avatar, ravager, roar, warbreaker then demolish yes? but what if demolish isnt glowing yet do i press that anyway?
minor gust
Arms isn't very intuitive to play and can feel like a mess. Been like this for awhile now. It's why we beg for a ret pally/MM hunter rework. Burn it down and start over with a fresh vision of what an Arms warrior is supposed to be
raven peak
Arms isn't very intuitive to play and can feel like a mess. Been like this for a...
i think this is the best way to describe what it feels like. its not intuitive like fury.
minor gust
No one even knows what an Arms warrior is. Used to be the slow tactical hard hitting spec but it hasn't been like that in years.
vapid pine
on st ms>op>execute>slam
Isn't Cleave > Slam on ST too? In col arms
thick kelp
Isn't Cleave > Slam on ST too? In col arms
Only during mbg and if it doesnt consume your MP
vapid pine
Only during mbg and if it doesnt consume your MP
Oh ok
thick kelp
or if you hvea uhh 3+ Collat stacks
raven peak
and there's so many damned things to track for arms for optimal dps ._. my monkey brain cant handle
dire hinge
honestly you can ignore a fair amount of the conditionals and just smoothbrain it and still do like 95% of your damage as others mentioned
Cleave>MS>OP in AoE
MS>OP>Slam in Single Target
even in raid, you can drop Opportunist and make your rotation the same as above and it's only like 1% worse
raven peak
honestly you can ignore a fair amount of the conditionals and just smoothbrain i...
what key level should i run for practise?
dire hinge
whichever one you're comfortable with
raven peak
i think 8's are a good middle ground for not being too easy
dire hinge
things actually live long enough you can test your rotation without some ret paladin deleting a whole pack solo too yeah
dire hinge
so even if cleave or OP glowing, just press MS anway?
just for some rationale here, within AoE* we are using Cleave/MS over OP (even when its glowing) because both Cleave/MS contribute to lowering the cooldown of Demolish.
(that and we don't run Dreadnaught much any more, so OP doesn't do any AoE)
olive night
Even in 2 target with SS up?
dire hinge
for 2 targets (with SS), we treat it like we do single target
if you're playing Colossus* (we're talking about m+ keys for context)
raven peak
thank you @dire hinge for your help you made it sound less intimidating to pursue i appreciate you
olive night
yeah im talking about colossus
dire hinge
of course! happy to help, Arms is cozy, but easy to overthink
dim basalt
cozy but punishing
dire hinge
perfecto, yeah so for M+ Colossus if you're facing 2 targets with SS currently active, just do single target rotation. The only change is that you can Cleave instead of Slam as your filler (since Fervor of Battle will auto-slam for you)
silent tendon
wish we could make a petetion to get legion arms back
olive night
In execute phase in 1T is it OP>MS>Execute?
dire hinge
execute gets a litle wonky
exotic knot
in 2t scenario
would you go back to normal aoe rotation at 3t?
dire hinge
In execute phase in 1T is it OP>MS>Execute?
This will read like a lot, but it's just bc of rage conditionals:
- Major CDs
- Demo w/ CS
- MS w/ 2x EP (if Ravager isn't currently active)
- OP at less than 90 rage
- Execute with 40+ rage
- Overpower
- Execute
You can simplify it down a bit, but you can run into rage issues potentially:
- Major CDs
- MS w/ 2x EP (and Ravager isn't active)
- Execute at 40+ rage
- OP
- Execute
worse case just walk out and charge back in to gain some extra rage
olive night
yeah i always feel a bit rage starved
even to the point i check to see if Dstance is active
dire hinge
🤔 dstance wouldn't impact rage gen too much
Battle Stance only gives you 3% extra crit chance, and while we get more rage from crits, you wouldn't notice 3%
more likely a rotation issue, such as overspending on MS/Execute
olive night
yeah i probably use too many executes as im super used to Slayer arms execute rotation
dire hinge
haha valid, and Slayer swims in rage comparatively
the biggest one is making sure you're not casing MS if Ravager is active
Ravager will auto-cast MS for you, so you can focus on Execute/OP while Ravager is on the floor
olive night
oh yeah thats probably where im going wrong then
dire hinge
the auto-cast MS's will consume your Executioner's Precisions stacks for you 
olive night
i dont think ive ever used rav still this season, BS has been good for as long as i can remember
for Arms atleast
dire hinge
Ravager is taken for Colossus in M+
(and can be taken in some raid fights, but it's not necessary)
thick kelp
playing colossus in content where you talent ep was your first mistake
olive night
Yeah its in my M+ build and BS is in my Raid build
i heard Rav is decent for Mugzee but my raid team isnt there yet
mint patio
Yeah I was using EP in keys since that is what was in the wowhead guide at the start of the season. Saw Critcske drop ep and finishing blows to get 2x bb, so have been trying that in keys.
olive night
is BB the bleed damage node?
dire hinge
it's cozier and easier
mild dagger
Are people still using their cyrce's circlet? All my sims are showing dps increases with just a hero 1/6 and champion 4/8 ring instead which makes me feel like the sim is having trouble siming the citrine's
dire hinge
I moved off it recently with a hero ring as well, trust the sims ❤️
some specs use it for longer, but Arms it wasn't overly strong for
mint patio
is BB the bleed damage node?
Think he said it is less than 1% diff tho between aoe and st, just whatever you want barley more of.
dire hinge
it's slightly more AoE damage for a loss of a bit of Single Target, but it's also entirely passive and simplifies your other rotations
olive night
is there some bug with those final adds in Cinderbew w/ mortal strike? Sometime after one dies one only heals like halfway?
ripe quartz
Happened to me once when I did it as arms at the start of the season but idk why
dire hinge
yeah, i've seen that too. I dont think they're supposed to be impacted by Mortal Wounds (reduced healing) but sometimes it does
olive night
Yeah its happened to me 2-3 times, not really sure what causes it, didnt know if Mortal wounds effect applied to them
then again the mechagon final boss pull phase didnt work for almost 2 weeks so, possibly just bugged
dire hinge
im assuming it's mortal wounds bc i usually don't have a windwalker in the party, and other teams haven't reported it (without arms warriors in them) so idk
i'd just report it if you see it happen
or dont, im not your dad haha
thick kelp
mortal wounds works on the last adds ye
olive night
Yeah ill send a bug report next time, i figured it might have been intended but it doesnt happen everytime
mint patio
Yeah I’ve seen it happen too, but only happens if one of them has a sliver of health.
minor gust
Yeah ill send a bug report next time, i figured it might have been intended but ...
Don't think it's arms related since if you separate them from each other they don't heal aswell
violet steeple
Pretty sure it’s a bug with ms
I never saw it until I went arms, it now happens most times and they’re as stacked as usual
shadow ibex
Yes
It gets less effective iirc. I think even with heal debuff the last add heals to like 90%
dry summit
high bane
hello what is the macro burst for war arms ?
icy mulch
I still have not done a priory as Fury. I just can not be arsed to be less dps than a tank.
rare kite
and mortal wounds cuts the healing?
yeah, pretty sure they heal for 100% so with mortal wounds they would heal 50%. so they need to be low to not heal to full
rare kite
hello what is the macro burst for war arms ?
no such thing
minor gust
I never saw it until I went arms, it now happens most times and they’re as stack...
woah Lincc went arms its over for fury
calm hollow
@thick kelp do we use the execute WA on fury too? or fury has a different one?
its set to arms on default
thick kelp
<@865605822638063647> do we use the execute WA on fury too? or fury has a differ...
fury has its own
thick kelp
50fps increase in dorn LOL
ez
calm hollow
fury has its own
which one is it?
thick kelp
which one is it?
calm hollow
thanks
icy mulch
I wish they would just buff execute to the point where you want to hit it instantly.
charred brook
😏
thick kelp
smoky kayak
which one is it?
can use it if you want, but Fury Execute is not nearly as important to micromanage as Arms, and the nature of its rotational buttons means you're more likely to send Exe (as a filler) even outside of those conditions, whereas Arms never has that issue
charred brook
we start prog tomrrow so im wondering if i should try col
saw some convos about it
calm hollow
can use it if you want, but Fury Execute is not nearly as important to micromana...
hmm, noted
charred brook
since add damage is all that rly matters
smoky kayak
we start prog tomrrow so im wondering if i should try col
kinda boils down to whether you need more add dam (in which case Col or even Fury) or not
charred brook
yeah we will see how we do the first handfull of pulls ig
icy mulch
I'll hopefully be put on Fatality duty for OaB.
charred brook
is that a thing
icy mulch
Oh an add? Time to hit SS and continue on.
calm hollow
btw how come Fury is so much better on Sprocketmonger? shouldnt be arms on top there?
eager sigil
btw how come Fury is so much better on Sprocketmonger? shouldnt be arms on top t...
fury is better st
icy mulch
No, Fury is better ST, and Sprocket has no execute dps race.
halcyon breach
You can risk a decent amount of downtime, even if just momentarily, that'd let you lose Juggernaut stacks, where as Fury's DPS is just consistently good throughout the entire fight
shadow ibex
Needed that 15% exe nerf for sure
icy mulch
Fury is better ST
... what a timeline we live....
halcyon breach
Execute also just isn't that important on the fight, especially after the HP nerfs
zealous pivot
isnt the st like giga close?
eager sigil
the niche is still fine
charred brook
Honestly if they leave fury the way it is it would make sense as the ST spec going forward
smoky kayak
btw how come Fury is so much better on Sprocketmonger? shouldnt be arms on top t...
the top end are pretty much equal tbf, but as stated Fury is more forgiving to RNG and likely to be more survivable as well
eager sigil
sprocket just doesnt need a execute burn
charred brook
Since fury is one of the only specs that can maintain its full ST damage while cleaving it
calm hollow
the top end are pretty much equal tbf, but as stated Fury is more forgiving to R...
even Gelly falls behind more than 100k from rank1
its kinda sad
charred brook
I liked fury before its nerfs last tier imo
I liked the burst AOE niche it had
But nothing to do about it now
quasi field
yo bois does a normal 658 ring sim higher on arms m+ build than circlet for you as well or is it a bait?
zealous pivot
gally has adds tho?
zealous pivot
i c i c
sacred zodiac
even Gelly falls behind more than 100k from rank1
ok but this isnt a serious comparison ye anyone who cares abt prog would have played fury
halcyon breach
even Gelly falls behind more than 100k from rank1
Sample size really
zealous pivot
eager sigil
8 public arms kills
halcyon breach
The more people that kill the boss, the more likely you are to see people kill as Arms and compete with the higher Fury parses
It's also fairly high end guilds only that have killed the boss so far, who typically value safe and consistent choices, where the choice between 2 specs comes down to who lives more easily as well
sacred zodiac
sorry to hear that
tacit crystal
sorry to hear that
hi
calm hollow
arms gear 2 ilvl higher, also embelish, cba changing it on every boss
sacred zodiac
im playing ravager on bandit
and i will not be playing it afterward!
wait i must immediately check who is eligible for bis in my raid team
tacit crystal
halcyon breach
wait i must immediately check who is eligible for bis in my raid team
you aren't
sacred zodiac
since they play 2hs
boreal quartz
since they play 2hs
prolly xd
calm hollow
our RL said we dont even need any warrior dps on Bandit, like wut
eager sigil
healer loot lole
halcyon breach
our RL said we dont even need any warrior dps on Bandit, like wut
He's not wrong
halcyon breach
The fight tuning is just bad, so even if we're good for Execute, we're not needed
boreal quartz
if you can go 4 mages or whatever
shadow ibex
found out my old gm was telling the people who missed our CE to go buy it for like $300
tacit crystal
our RL said we dont even need any warrior dps on Bandit, like wut
play a prot warrior
boreal quartz
xd baseg
calm hollow
sacred zodiac
our RL said we dont even need any warrior dps on Bandit, like wut
this is technically true but if your guild allows you to play arms on lockenstock without immediately benching you for someone else then you are fine to bring a dps warrior
halcyon breach
I'm in for our bandit prog, even if we have a fire mage on standby
For better or worse
sacred zodiac
@halcyon breach what the fuck is the dragon in my raid doing
zealous pivot
im 100% playing arms on locken
halcyon breach
But likely to just have me get a chance for BiS
tacit crystal
<@102464908976730112> what the fuck is the dragon in my raid doing
stacking crit haste?
charred brook
no reason to play arms on locken especially if u have a mine assignment
i mean its not BAD
but why not play fury
sacred zodiac
no reason to play arms on locken especially if u have a mine assignment
everyone has a mine assignment
halcyon breach
<@102464908976730112> what the fuck is the dragon in my raid doing
Gemming around blasphemite is overrated
sacred zodiac
Gemming around blasphemite is overrated
you do not have the move fast technology and will rot and wither away in my shadow
halcyon breach
you do not have the move fast technology and will rot and wither away in my shad...
I also just have this
Which doesn't stack with it
tacit crystal
you do not have the move fast technology and will rot and wither away in my shad...
me when evokers are the most mobile ranged class
sacred zodiac
I also just have this
explain to me how you "enrage" as an "arms" "warrior"
halcyon breach
Explain to me how it feels to be bomm'd
sacred zodiac
me when evokers are the most mobile ranged class
Baneziwarrior famed evoker
halcyon breach
sacred zodiac
Explain to me how it feels to be bomm'd
halcyon breach
Unironically though if you're Dracthyr, glide spam is very legit as a means to keep up with movement checks that don't need you to charge or leap
sacred zodiac
Unironically though if you're Dracthyr, glide spam is very legit as a means to k...
idk its just cringe
halcyon breach
Or if you just don't have either
sacred zodiac
it doesnt help with strafing after a target
sacred zodiac
ok show me a clip of you doing exactly that on lockenstock
charred brook
i went dracthyr for queen prog and immediately went back to my glorious human female
halcyon breach
ok show me a clip of you doing exactly that on lockenstock
I'm not the one that gave up infinite uptime to walk around conveyer belts and instead just stayed with the boss, and not fearing the beartraps because you can just glide them if you get hit
noob
sacred zodiac
I'm not the one that gave up infinite uptime to walk around conveyer belts and i...
you have caused 16 wipes by the mere act of gliding into the opposing team
halcyon breach
I have in fact caused zero wipes to this
sacred zodiac
prove it
halcyon breach
You are slandering me
sacred zodiac
it is not slander if it is verifiably true
charred brook
clips or it didnt happen
sacred zodiac
and you have not proven that it is verifiably untrue therefore it is verifiably true
halcyon breach
I have however caused a wipe because I charged during intermission, and ended up on the other side of sprocketmonger and knocking the entire other team
charred brook
LOL
sacred zodiac
have you charged into the opposing camp causing a collision with the enemy mistweaver on your kill pull?
sacred zodiac
tbf i never got that bomb and never should have gotten that bomb
if fire magicians did not perish i would have not done that
icy mulch
Is DH still the class for the ADHD ppl? I hate playing with them unless they tank, and therefore on the opposite side of the boss.
Can't stand all the pointless movement.
minor gust
nah no more cringe movement on DH
halcyon breach
We've only had 1, maybe 2, wipes to our DH on Sprocket
minor gust
its just backflip now
smoky kayak
nah no more cringe movement on DH
tell that to ours...
halcyon breach
That 1 wipe might be slander, I have not double checked
minor gust
tell that to ours...
icy mulch
minor gust
its why im having more fun on my DH than warrior these days
all you gotta do is backflip every 20 seconds
icy mulch
I get nervous as a ninetailed cat in a room full of rocking chairs when tethered to a DH in Floodgate.
minor gust
no more felrushing everywhere for dps
minor gust
I get nervous as a ninetailed cat in a room full of rocking chairs when tethered...
should be good if the dh knows what their doing they should be playing a no mover build in keys
ebon fern
Honestly, after the s2 changes i think that dh is just about the least enjoyable melee spec in the game
Even feral is more enjoyable
hexed snow
Sprocketmonger has the best quotes hands down
minor gust
Honestly, after the s2 changes i think that dh is just about the least enjoyable...
really? I think its perfect now. Still has enough movement in its gameplay to give that unique melee feel but its not crazy enough that it makes it very difficult to play.
having to fel rush constantly on some of these bosses is a nightmare
so glad its gone
halcyon breach
Nah much more harmless like ending up in the other camp then knocking everyone off the ledge
But our DH player is good enough I think to have not done this so far, at least from memory
There have been incidents on Silken though admittedly
halcyon breach
I've done similar bad things as DH
Like on Smolderon fel rushing into the orb when someone just soaked
icy mulch
I can totally picture s felrush right into the opposite color stack.
minor gust
every DH has its why a lot of people disliked that gameplay
calm hollow
warrior brain > Dh brain
violet steeple
But likely to just have me get a chance for BiS
I get BIS surely we kill tn yolo
icy mulch
I get BIS surely we kill tn yolo
Good luck!
exotic horizon
Hello guys i am looking for 2 weakaura
- yell or say when i am going to spell reflect a spell so they dont inturapt it
- the one that streamer use where you can see the spell they used as a time line etc when ever they press a button it show
mint patio
I think #2 is just a details option you turn on.