in the normal run after
#arms
gilded basin
stupid question but can u check for rotational error on dummys? Single target
gilded basin
im still not a 100% certain what to press for example in execute phase when certain conditions are met
final stratus
Yes you can then
gilded basin
okay wonderful thanks
final stratus
I think details auto logs dummy details
maiden notch
Where donyoubget the noggenfogger thing
calm hollow
is this some kind of bait? Noggenfogger above Amplifier? wut
minor gust
20% buffs to trinkets does things
candid crater
fuck demolish
calm hollow
guess i will change pacemaker for house of cards, once i get it, seems to be the play now
calm hollow
it does say it
thick kelp
I am expecting a nerf to noggenfogger 🗂️
minor gust
the nerf will be the pirate has less hp so he dies faster 🙂
rare kite
it does say it
wonder if bis will make hoc below mechano
calm hollow
hmm, might be
tacit crystal
do we hold avatar for ravager, or hold ravager for avatar
i think you only hold ravager for cs
any confirmers
minor gust
correct
minor gust
its fun
zenith warren
are hotfixes already added to raidbots?
tacit crystal
its fun
except when i drop a 12 stack jug 5 seconds before another sudden death proc
minor gust
with how bad BS is I feel terrible pressing it in Exe with ravager its nice to know I can keep playing the game and not lose dmg
minor gust
except when i drop a 12 stack jug 5 seconds before another sudden death proc
surely next patch Jugg will get condensed down
surely this time
tacit crystal
playing ravager makes that feeling infinitely worse than bs imo
minor gust
why your doing what BS can not pressing your really strong core buttons
tacit crystal
bc in theory i should have 10 more seconds every 90 that i didnt have before where i could press execute
or worth of ability pressing to get sd
hollow axle
Do we get more value from second potion if we use during lust or during 15 stacks jugg?
tribal ember
how do you guys manage to maintain jugg early before execute window
i seem to struggle keeping it stacked early on encounters
tacit crystal
how do you guys manage to maintain jugg early before execute window
waiting to last second of jug/sd
tribal ember
ah okay so you have to squeeze every second out of it
i usually refresh around the 3 sec mark
shrewd badge
my b then, i've been holding it for avatar
i will more freely send
ravager awayyy
dry summit
how do you guys manage to maintain jugg early before execute window
What helped me is a weakaura they basically tells me to press it with different conditions.
And i've been getting to 15 stacks before execute, it also depends on luck ofcourse.
tacit crystal
ah okay so you have to squeeze every second out of it
dry summit
Do we get more value from second potion if we use during lust or during 15 stack...
if i remember correctly if the fights shorter then 5 minutes it's better to pot in execute. let me check that for you.
tacit crystal
not if you are lusting on pull
calm hollow
I am expecting a nerf to noggenfogger 🗂️
lmao, just got one from the 5 delve weekly
this can be hero track with map from delve too?
real robin
Anyone having their ravager wa telling them they have it available a few seconds before it is? I tried a couple different ones and they're all doing it.
Wondering if it's related to the affix this week
sonic veldt
my bracers are 645 with socket and my neck is 629. would you guys advise crafting neck second instead of bracer?
calm hollow
you cant put embelish on neck?
sonic veldt
true i suppose
sonic veldt
ye
though should i just make it with my runed crest from quest or spend another 60 gilded?
calm hollow
you dont have crafted weapon right?
sonic veldt
no
smoky kayak
my bracers are 645 with socket and my neck is 629. would you guys advise craftin...
you should be able to farm a better neck
sonic veldt
keg?
smoky kayak
at which point your crafting question would be very different
rough sluice
Anyone having their ravager wa telling them they have it available a few seconds...
yeah mines doing that too
smoky kayak
literally any 640+ neck would be better than a bis statted 629
calm hollow
you should be able to farm a better neck
oh yea, tell me about it 
sonic veldt
oh yeah ik but i meant just crafting wise rn
smoky kayak
right this second, yes you would gain more making a neck
but if you just farmed out a neck, then context of that question would change
sonic veldt
true i suppose so for the moment wrists would still be by best option
smoky kayak
thing about crafting wrists is that it's a good piece to socket early (if you happen to get a bad early vault like I always seem to), but yours already have a socket, so it may be worth holding off
idk your overall gear, just saying there are a lot of angles to consider; belt/boot isn't a bad craft either
some people even went for helm/leg early, but I wouldn't advise that unless you have a really good idea of your prog and what items you expect to get out of raid
Chest is an oddly competitive choice this season, as long as you don't get one out of vault, since the only raid ones come from Mugz
sonic veldt
tbh my gear is pretty ass atm
boots would be the biggest upgrade right at this moment
except weapon where i have 2 hero circuit breakers
i dont have the addon for displaying ilvl of gear next to it so dont see much point in posting a SH
calm hollow
I have a question, if MS resets itself on use, and it procs Opportunist too, i press MS or OP before MS to consume Opportunist?
balmy kindle
Someone's stuck in TOP hell 
calm hollow
still need a hero chest somehow
then why the fck you farm ToP instead of Floodgate?
11 loot vs 6
dry summit
I hate floodgate
This is why you just get the trinket in your mythic vault and you never need to do it again 😄
rough sluice
I just started m+ this week on my warrior
dry summit
Slacker 
rough sluice
I took 2 weeks off for season launch and didnt feel like it at all
calm hollow
This is why you just get the trinket in your mythic vault and you never need to ...
i took weapon over trinket
rare kite
i decide to try arms on a boss. execute gets parried so i lose my jugg stacks
this spec is ass
ebon storm
i get tilted whenever i hear that parry sound now
shadow ibex
love it
thick kelp
play with a sub rogue
bless trickster, havnt had my warbreaker parry mp3 wa proc yet
misty sandal
i had one time 3 consecutive CS parried
I think I'd just quit the game after that.
shadow ibex
yea if i had 3 CS parried in a single pull
i would wipe the raid
there's no way that pull isnt cursed by some eldritch horror just get it out the way so others dont suffer
thick kelp
arms warrior vs white parry opener in SL
shadow ibex
playing col on silken and get first auto parried
no buttons allowed
you got 20 from charge so you can rend
but next auto is 26
you cant MS
cunning jewel
Hey people ! someone can link me the REND weak aura update ? thank you 🙂
astral zephyr
https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/warrior/arms/slayer/DAOAUVFRFQhIVIpRUBBOVVEVURVFQkVQFQCEEEFVVUBV has any1 here tried this build before?
shadow ibex
slayer is pretty bad in aoe
errant goblet
have the theory crafters finished testing the new trinkets yet has anything changed?
eager sigil
lofty lagoon
is this weapon good? 😮
eager sigil
Don't think so
golden zinc
do you ONLY overpower with opportunist active or can i press it when there's nothing else to press besides slam?
rough sluice
yes you can press it
eager sigil
You press it everytime you can't mortal strike
golden zinc
i mainly play protection but i wanna do arms on the side. should i craft a 675 crit/haste back piece or ring?
which is better value
the shitty thing about rings is it gives no strength
but nicer secondary stats
sacred zodiac
questionable whether you wanna craft either of those slots at 675 right now
golden zinc
questionable whether you wanna craft either of those slots at 675 right now
why's that?
those also happen to be my only two champion gear pieces
sacred zodiac
spending 60 gilded on your lowest budget slot is a bit silly and crafting ring kinda locks you into cycres/crafted ring for a long time which locks down your options a lot
ring craft can be fine its technically correct for my character right now but i am repulsed by it
golden zinc
i think at this point i'm just trying to get rid of my champion pieces. crit/haste is nice because prot wants those stats too. unlike fury (haste/mastery)
sacred zodiac
why do you care about them being champion pices tho
do you have spare gilded crests and all of your hc track pieces upgraded to max?
golden zinc
my hero pieces are all 4/6. and i have a crafted neck + prot shield. i haven't really spent any glided besides those two crafted
sacred zodiac
you do see how all your hc track pieces are equivalent to champion track pieces rn ye
golden zinc
yea i mean i dont really know what to do yet. i'm starting to tank 10's so i wont get any myth vault till next week
i dont wanna spend glided on hero gear until i get myth track but maybe i shouldnt wait for that
naive breach
2 canceled demos 
heavy berry
I spend gilded crests on whatever gets me cooler mog colors sooner
sacred zodiac
i dont wanna spend glided on hero gear until i get myth track but maybe i should...
why not craft a mythic offpiece
golden zinc
why not craft a mythic offpiece
which slot do you recommend?
sacred zodiac
it's not that simple
golden zinc
i guess my choices are either belt/back/wrist/feet/ring
golden zinc
offpiece as in helmet/shoulder/chest/glove/pant
i guess i'm holding off on these slots incase i get myth track tier piece
sacred zodiac
but you have no avenue of getting myth tier until whenever you start doing 10s
idk its kind of fair enough for you to just go for biggest number or biggest satisfaction here
golden zinc
yea i'm starting to do 10's this week
swift crown
offpiece as in helmet/shoulder/chest/glove/pant
Glove is as good as Boot/Belt
sacred zodiac
Glove is as good as Boot/Belt
can you stop lying on the internet
and pointing out my foolishness
fickle oar
Am I supposed to have a spark fragment in my bag this week or not?
or do you get both of them on the same week
sacred zodiac
you should have one half right now
if you dont have it you havent done the weekly quest for it
fickle oar
which weekly is it? feel like I've done them all
strange perch
the 5 delves iirc
fickle oar
definitely did that but I''ve got no fragment
strange perch
did you check your reagent bank?
quasi torrent
Your pants are burning
why did i just hear the fire brigade?
maybe ur pants are also burning
hm???
halcyon breach
worst case, you should be able to get it as catch up next week, if you don't get it this week
On top of the new half we should be getting as well
For reference, I do have the new half spark this week, yet I've not done the weekly 5 delve quest. If you've not done them all, try and go do the rest of the pinnacle caches like from the 3 WQ open world quest, awakening the machine, or simply doing dungeons/raid
naive sage
Manifesting arms pants build asap 🙏
quasi torrent
legs build = L
real robin
yeah, nothing 😦
It's actually the 3 delve one from Bran. I did 5 without having noticed the 3 one from Brann
quaint otter
@untold trench this bdk having 663 gs dealt like 3 times less damage than u with 645
I died from cringe agro like 3 times
rancid solstice
Do the pvp spark quest for half spark if you bout that life
harsh field
the cooldown is proportional to the gcd no?
shadow ibex
yes but gcd cant be lowered than a certain point
blademaster p much halves the cd i think. it'll be every other global
with enough haste buffs it can get nearly to the GCD or at least feels that way
sage badge
is cleave exactly 3 gcd cd?
Yes. Once you go beyond 100% haste, then it becomes wonky because GCD is capped to 0.75s but the cooldown of cleave will keep lowering.
Blademaster's Torment makes it so it's 2 GCDs in between.
harsh field
interesting
onyx rapids
personnal best in priory!! 3.86M overall! arms is fun as heck!!
harsh field
ive been looking at the top arms warrior m+ logs
and a lot of them arent using cleave every other global during avatar
with blademasters torment
random ibex
mythic rik reverb you save bladestorm for adds?
shadow ibex
Yes. Once you go beyond 100% haste, then it becomes wonky because GCD is capped ...
with lust ive had the CD be just a hair longer than GCD
like empty global for .1 seconds b4 cleave is ready again
well lust and iftk
quite a few helpers
sage badge
and a lot of them arent using cleave every other global during avatar
It should be 2 gcds between.
sage badge
with lust ive had the CD be just a hair longer than GCD
Yeah, it gets quite annoying but it is what it is.
sage badge
That's basically every other, I think. Cleave -> filler -> Cleave
shadow ibex
yea i figured that's how blademaster is for most
every other GCD
get x2 demo casts before sweeping ends
just gotta crit many many MS
haughty stratus
Is 3m overall DPS good for 650ilvl? Dunno if I'm slacking performance wise or doing okay
minor gust
Your not gonna be able to tell from overall alone
brittle rock
guys, for pugging M+ is ascension a good embel? Or should i use something else on a weapon
smoky kayak
it's not particularly great for m+ since downtime causes it to fall off, but all of the weapon embels are kind of messy in that regard
you can sim some different combinations on your own and see if there's anything you like though - easy to change on top gear
brittle rock
hm, i dont see where to add embelishment in Top Gear raidbots menu
halcyon breach
hm, i dont see where to add embelishment in Top Gear raidbots menu
If you have a crafted item, press the "+" on the crafted item and you can choose to add or remove any embellishment
If you don't have a crafted item already, use the search bar at the top of top gear
brittle rock
aah, ty
silk spade
brittle rock
I am an elemental focusing lens enjoyer
it performs well enough? 🙂
sage badge
It's simple and consistent. Doesn't help with aoe, but arms doesn't really have an aoe problem.
About 2%~ on bosses, which is nice.
The embellishments as a whole are kinda w/e imo. If you want something consistent and applicable for both ST and aoe, can't go wrong with dusk/dawnthreads.
brittle rock
yeah, im switching my explorer 609 weapon for a 675 😄
so for now it has to be the weapon embel
shadow ibex
no idea cant be worse than 3pc tho
brittle rock
true
frank panther
The haste it gives is certainly nice
stoic siren
Blessed weapon grip chads > Ascension cucks
knotty orchid
wont be ending my own 2pc stacks randomly for no gain anymore
now your stacks end at 2
and you get low value
shadow ibex
when i was messing with it on ptr seemed to never proc and i just havent had it since to see if its still like 1 a minute
quaint otter
Blessed weapon grip chads > Ascension cucks
💪
toxic fog
Hey on sprocketmonger, does the knock back intermission last for a couple of seconds? I gated after he finish the cast and I get knock backed still after the gate.
strange perch
how come in single target you wanna use demolish on cooldown, but during execute phase you use it during warbreaker?
minor gust
how come in single target you wanna use demolish on cooldown, but during execute...
generally when your in execute CS will have a lower cd due to the access of execute
teal fossil
the opportunity cost of casting demolish is a bit higher in execute
so holding demolish is less of a dps loss
so you can afford to hold it a bit longer
minor gust
in M+ build tho especially with no EP I dont think it matters when you press demo prob better to do off cd unless WB is close
shadow ibex
fuck EP
marble flume
is there some deterministic way of farming funhouse lens or mechanocore? -- im seeing all the top warriors having it and ive done my 4 bountifuls and delvers for the week plus killed the underpin a few times without luck
minor gust
all RNG
boreal torrent
How good is the circlet for arms? If I get a ring the same ilvl to go along with a jastors, would that be better? Or is the answer to sim it?
minor gust
If the question is about gear/stats the answer will always be sim
boreal torrent
I miss the good ol days of bis lists. Lol
teal fossil
blindly following words>blindly following words
minor gust
I mean if for whatever reason you hate simming BIS lists still exist
boreal torrent
True
minor gust
I dont understand the hate for simming I find it kinda fun. But to each their own
boreal torrent
Just not super familiar with simming outside of just simming for what my dmg should be, just haven't taken the time to learn it.
minor gust
its actually really easy to learn very simple. Just need to take the 5-10 minutes to learn
boreal torrent
Spent so much time as enhance which was always just stack as much haste and mastery as possible. (I don't mythic raid so never had to do it hardcore)
latent moss
I dont understand the hate for simming I find it kinda fun. But to each their ow...
real end game
squeezing everything out of your character
gets really fun once u have everything
running simc locally
like 200m iterations
(not that last part)
boreal torrent
But you gotta get everything to get there, lol
minor gust
you can add items to Top gear now so dont need to actually have the item
boreal torrent
Interesting. I'll have to read up on it and watch a video or two
Any articles/videos you would suggest starting with?
minor gust
can start with this but a lil out of date doesnt have the add item feature to it but thats easy
just use this to add an item
can find at the top of Top gear page
teal fossil
you know im suprised that didnt exist until today
boreal torrent
Nice, thank you. I will watch that in the morning while I consume my hot caffinated bean water.
teal fossil
youd imagine this would be a thing long time ago
teal fossil
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELbq8bdMlvY
critcake so handsome
minor gust
youd imagine this would be a thing long time ago
yeah seriously
teal fossil
i used to paste from wowhead
boreal torrent
Wearing a turtle neck for a youtube video. Must be a classy guy.
teal fossil
hes a turtleneck main
boreal torrent
Plus appearently plays warrior, so that tracks
minor gust
Critcake is a great guy to learn warrior from
he doesnt make guides but hes pretty insightful and really good at it so can pick up some nice things by watching him play
boreal torrent
Does he stream?
boreal torrent
I'll have to check him out. Thank you!
tacit summit
does demolish benefit from sweeping strikes?
magic canopy
first 2 hits do
hazy flower
you know im suprised that didnt exist until today
Been that way at least 6 months but shouldve been implemented way earlier
teal fossil
yeaht thats what i mean
youd imagien thats like the first thing you add
especially since gear compare is a thing
hasty lava
How does any optimized use of Cleave work? As a fury war that’s intrigued by Arms I’m just trying to learn some things
teal fossil
on cd
tacit crystal
real end game
how do i do it locally
tacit crystal
how lsow
latent moss
u need a lot of cores
latent moss
i dont think so
tacit crystal
me when i have 4 cpu cores
tranquil swift
question. im fury now and want to go to arms... my issue is my stats are kinda messed up lol. going to arms from fury im at like 18 crit 25 haste 45 mastery
is it chalked?
tacit crystal
just get more crit
tranquil swift
id always change my enchants from mastery to crit
tranquil swift
money aint an issue
tranquil swift
i think i got the neck from cinder
let me look
fuck gotta find another lol @tacit crystal
glossy tusk
prio damage main
tacit crystal
its still playable
bleak fog
Are we all in Crit/haste? See some ppl that enchant and use haste/mastery gear aswell but that might just be as they play as fury aswell?
minor gust
Mastery is very good for arms aswell
steel portal
in keys do you guys have separate binds for rend and clap? is it worth the tiny extra dmg on ST? 😛
short spear
One thing you can do, unless your already using this idea for hamstring, is macro charge and tend together and you will cast rend when in melee range
But it probably doesn’t matter that much
steel portal
good idea 🙂
bleak fog
.#showtooltip
/cast [harm] Charge
/cast Rend
My rend macro :).. Find it work out well.. Used it most for pvp at start and good now when you use clap more then rend.
knotty orchid
noggenfogger trinket doin 30m 💀
bleak fog
Trinket is... My 639/626 setup sims higher then the shit trinkets i got so far and they are like 20 ilvl above 😄
S1 trinket
wooden lava
i'm like 30+ runs at this point
marble flume
noggenfogger trinket doin 30m 💀
on ST or aoe?
marble flume
can someone explain to me how cleave is in the same global as MS here? Am i missing something?
better picture for context sorry
eager sigil
can someone explain to me how cleave is in the same global as MS here? Am i miss...
unhinged
stable fiber
can someone explain to me how cleave is in the same global as MS here? Am i miss...
talent directly below bladestorm/ravager will tell you
marble flume
yeah was comparing logs and those were at different times since i MS'd more than cleaved, wondering if thats whats throwing me off
brisk ocean
just wondering are we trying to use cyrce's circlet? and if so what gems in the stat ones?
brisk ocean
ty
tender basalt
so how are we supposed to use Best-in-slots if it shares cooldown with trinket?
tacit crystal
boreal quartz
tranquil swift
So can we confirm arms is way better than fury currently in mythic +?
thick kelp
Mortal combo my beloved
boreal quartz
So can we confirm arms is way better than fury currently in mythic +?
yes
tranquil swift
I just switched but my stats are a bit lopsided since I was fury haha @boreal quartz
junior quail
So can we confirm arms is way better than fury currently in mythic +?
both are as good, just depends what dung ure running
calm trout
Curios about how long Cyrces Circlet will be in use I just simmed and another ring simmed better but many guides are saying its bis for Arms all through S2 any second opinions ? or just trust the simms
dim basalt
Curios about how long Cyrces Circlet will be in use I just simmed and another ri...
If it sims better it is better
Simple as that
eager sigil
sims and check if you have right gems in
shrewd niche
For my mplus arms it's getting outsimmed by champ jastors andc658 ring but still bis for slayer
calm trout
sims and check if you have right gems in
Yep checked all that with both rings it seemed I was haste starved so maybe thats why the non CCirclet simmed better
cunning jewel
Juggernaut still good fort ST dungeons ? I mean theater and mecagone for example ?
slow saddle
hmm. collosus is so good
id cba to play jugger
top has sev bosses with adds
Hmm noggenfogger trinket feels like simbait
havent gotten more than 3% overall from it on mugzee
and 3% with 1500 crit ratin vs 4k str trinket
sacred zodiac
details is still fucked for it
sacred zodiac
one of the two ppl you can summon just doesnt get attributed to you idk if its tracked on logs either
you can just @ player macro that ye
sacred zodiac
in theory its the number the sim says
slow saddle
ok
sacred zodiac
i didnt end up using it on sprocketmonger prog since it also has health and can just die
and idk if it has the generous DRs other pets get on raid combat
slow saddle
yeah i havent noticed
im only using it tbh
coz i have shitty trinkets otherwise
nn to pretend anyting else 😄
took the spot of reverb ( on normal
so a heroic vs a normal
sacred zodiac
go get a pacemaker noober
latent moss
u will NOT catch me using that dogass trinket
viscera on the other hand...
more than 1 target present trinket dead gg
sacred zodiac
viscera on the other hand...
become realistic
latent moss
become realistic
ratfang toxin
sacred zodiac
ratfang angle
latent moss
its always a ratfang angle
sacred zodiac
im personally quite fond of goo-blin grenade
latent moss
i wish they made a 2 set for 2 red buttons
sacred zodiac
i suggested this approximately 5 days ago
sacred zodiac
it wouldve been really funny ye
latent moss
u can recalibrate it for mass destruction whatever that is
sacred zodiac
ok the same way you can recalibrate bis to be intellect
latent moss
bro the tooltip on wowhead says the same thing
for both
Mister Lock-N-Stalk
Item Level 623
Binds when picked up
Unique-Equipped
Trinket
+1,341 Haste (0.00% @ L80)
Equip: Your spells and abilities have a high chance to lase your target for Precision Blasting, calling in Mister Lock-N-Stalk to deal 3981 Physical damage to your target. (3s cooldown)
Use: Recalibrate for Your spells and abilities have a high chance to lase your target for Precision Blasting, calling in Mister Lock-N-Stalk to deal 3981 Physical damage to your target. . (20 Sec Cooldown)
fresh spire
u can recalibrate it for mass destruction whatever that is
ass destruction
On wow armory it said Ass Destruction for a while 😄
quasi torrent
goonsquad trinket simming good too now for me
noggen + goon is 15k loss for me
but its the turbo goon squad pirate crossover king equipment
latent moss
noggen + goon is 15k loss for me
gotta play goon for the lore
quasi torrent
piratecore engaged
slow saddle
noggen + goon is 15k loss for me
well only if u play well
if u play bad its a buff
!
brittle fiber
if there's anything i could ask for it's to kick in demolish channel
holy moyl!!!!!
hexed snow
gotta play goon for the lore
Gooning rn
slow saddle
if there's anything i could ask for it's to kick in demolish channel
Fact
strong radish
critcake looks too clean and moisturized in his videos
distracts me from his gameplay
slow saddle
Lol
naive sage
slow saddle
Deathcake
noble oxide
Does simcraft take the meta game into account correctly? It keeps telling me to use all green gems instead of one of each color
slow saddle
Also says green coz green worth more than 4 different?
quaint otter
Does simcraft take the meta game into account correctly? It keeps telling me to ...
meta gems are just shit
i mean the "special" effect
noble oxide
i mean the "special" effect
Yeah I’m wondering if I should just follow the sims advice then and socket it for the main stat and ignore the special effect then
high spindle
rain cipher
When I SS, should I prioritize cleave over MA?
tacit crystal
waht is ma
candid pecan
mortal ache?
tranquil swift
What are the main defensives for arms
thick kelp
dbts sr dstance
weak wave
What are the main defensives for arms
Heroic Leap & run
covert drift
Can someone explain this to me? Why would i use sweeping strikes and then ravager > warbreaker > cleave? Am i not wasting three GCD's on skills that don't benefit com sweeping strikes? Since the tooltip says "Single target damaging abilities"?
Or is it to get the CD rolling faster? Is it really worth it?
In my mind it makes more sense to Ravager > warbreaker > cleave and only then sweeping strikes and demolish and the others... but maybe the math proves it wrong?
naive breach
cleave does benefit from sweeping with FOB
also you lose a gcd when using sweep after warbreaker
mint shell
u loose gcd of each cd regardless, u preffer loosing gcd of sweap over warbraker
covert drift
Oh, that makes sense
Thanks
It's not really clear from the skill descriptions that cleave benefits from SS
naive breach
only with fervor of battle tho
the slam when hitting 2 or more enemies with cleave benefits from the ss
not cleave itself
covert drift
I see
naive breach
also gives you stacks for collateral damage
covert drift
I think that blizzard should update the tooltips of the skills that are changed from talents, For instance fervor of battle add to the cleave tooltip something like Talented: fervor of battle, followed by what fervor of battle does
After the original skill description of course
So makes it easier for new players to realize the interations the talents make with the skills
it would probably cost a raid tier to do that
naive breach
yeah could sometimes probably be a little more transparent
luckily we have discord for that
covert drift
yeah, thanks again 🙂
shadow ibex
i think they could just make collat path down to fervor instead of it being weird choice node under fob
i dont think there's any world where you play fob but not collat for example
soon as you take fob p much required to take the collat under it so may as well just swap places with them imo
hollow plover
writhing armor banding + dawnthread = double dawnthread right?
tacit crystal
nah
hollow plover
why not
broken arrow
dawnthread isnt nerubian
tranquil swift
What’s the best tip with this arms rotation to pump more dps? First time ever playing arms
tacit crystal
press execute 2x before ms in execute
tranquil swift
ty all
is sweeping strikes the only thing that allows st attacks to hit multiple?
shadow ibex
yes
tranquil swift
i just copied that aoe colosses build above
so we use colosus smash over warbreaker?
tacit crystal
no?
boreal agate
why are raiders running void elfs as arms warrior ?
tranquil swift
i copied the thing above and it says spell
unlearned warbreaker lol
lean geode
why are raiders running void elfs as arms warrior ?
Does most dam and the racial is useful sometimes
stark cape
Archon shows Eye of Kezan + House of Cards. but i only have the funhouse lens, eye of kezan, and pacemaker
heavy wren
Does most dam and the racial is useful sometimes
Is there somewhere to see the racial damage comparisons? Like are we talking 0.1% difference
boreal agate
Does most dam and the racial is useful sometimes
thank you
lean geode
Is there somewhere to see the racial damage comparisons? Like are we talking 0.1...
I had a link to the sim but it's expired now, I think it's like 1% between the very best race and the very worst
lean geode
Archon shows Eye of Kezan + House of Cards. but i only have the funhouse lens, e...
funhouse + pacemaker for sure
Eye of kezan is pretty bad in M+ unless your tank is constantly chainpulling
lost surge
question does a spell reflect wa work ? i tryd 4 of them but no one worked
balmy kindle
Noggenfrogger simming like wut.. anyone has a max version ?
balmy kindle
raidbot tells me its 2.5% better than funhouse at max level 👀 , kinda shocked
sacred zodiac
it sims very well in st ye
lean geode
Kinda cringe tho bc the guy can die or just stand there afk
balmy kindle
ah so its one of those "sounds good but " kind of trinket
lean geode
I mean in a vacuum it is really good for single target
In practice idk
Also I wouldn't be surprised if it gets gutted because of outlaw
reef mist
how Noggenfogger Ultimate Deluxe works?
lean geode
It inherits your attack speed and outlaw inside adrenaline rush has giga attack speed
Which seems unintended
balmy kindle
oh lol, that seems busted
terse osprey
How do yall feel about Arms right now in pve?
eager sigil
pretty good
tranquil swift
i just switched arms and afraid theyll nerf it and make fury the better pve build lol
quaint otter
i just switched arms and afraid theyll nerf it and make fury the better pve buil...
N > spec fury
tranquil swift
N > spec fury
N?
boreal quartz
Default keybind for talents
austere hamlet
arms is so fucking good in motherlode, my god
quaint otter
arms is good everywhere lol
austere hamlet
motherlode is DIFFERENT
thick hamlet
maintaining the agenda is our top priority
tranquil swift
the aoe damange from arms to fury is def a big jump since i switched lol
olive night
arms is good everywhere lol
sure doesnt feel too hot in the rookey when youre out of melee range 20% of the dungeon
quaint otter
the aoe damange from arms to fury is def a big jump since i switched lol
ill wait till u try something like ele 
tranquil swift
haha i play only war
austere hamlet
look at this, first 3 bosses in motherlode 15:
odd mist
Arms is the 15th most dps out of 26 for m+ according to mythicstats, we are in the best case the middle of the pack
quaint otter
^
odd mist
When you compare with fury that is almost last, it is surely a big dps increase
olive night
first boss you have a damage buff and the second boss youre constantly cleaving an add you do like 200% damage too @austere hamlet
Motherlode definitely is a perfect dungeon for Arms warrior
shadow ibex
Buff bs
austere hamlet
first boss you have a damage buff and the second boss youre constantly cleaving ...
yeah thats the point
slow compass
hey guys
want to ask something
was trying to learn colossus mythic plus spec
colossus mythic was too much button, when we fight single target, can thunder clap replace rend? can cleave replace slam as filter?
safe vigil
hey guys
want to ask something
was trying to learn colossus mythic plus spec
col...
Tc can replace rend sure, but cleave would consume your Martial Prowess stacks so wouldnt do that
inner mica
Can we use avatar before m+ started and keep active effect and have cd reset on start of mythic?
valid leaf
Dumb af questions but I’ve never played arms. Are they hard capped in AOE like fury or ?
Running and watching DKs and Monks average 5.5M while I have to sweat to keep 3.5M because I’m hard capped at 5 targets while fury is annoying for keys. I get we have good ST. Just asking if it’s worth to move to arms for higher keys
untold trench
Arms is indeed not target capped like Fury is o/
Is it worth to swap? That is a question for yourself and your teamcomp
olive night
you should play what you enjoy more
untold trench
Will clearing the overall trash 2min faster, be worth the potential cost in minutes on the boss? We dont know
dusty depot
Arms is indeed not target capped like Fury is o/
Well the question is always what you get more invites as
🤣
As a pugger at least
quaint otter
Well the question is always what you get more invites as
Ele shaman
slow saddle
Or uh dk
Boomkin
Ret
Rogue
Mage
The list goes on
Though tbh havent struggled gettin into 10s
naive sage
Ele shaman
Enha too tbh
orchid ledge
Just curious what's everyone's single target colossus arms looking like in mythic plus? My sims are showing 1.6m 654 ilvl(no s2 tier yet), but I'm hitting low 1.1m-1.4m on most dungeons. Also my overall dmg is always between 1.5m-1.8m
marble flume
hello -- what is our 10T priority for MS/Op/Cleave -- im hearing different things so was curious
grave delta
Just curious what's everyone's single target colossus arms looking like in myth...
I got same Ilvl ish, but do around 1.7-1.8 on bosses as colossus
I do have new 4set tho
dry summit
Can we use avatar before m+ started and keep active effect and have cd reset on ...
You can't only cooldowns longer then 2 minutes, it has the same code as when you reset bosses in raid
Since avatar dont get resetted in raid either
marble steppe
is there a way to cheese or force spawn the barrels in richard reverb for them not to be dogshit
bold granite
no
marble steppe
😠
naive breach
foggy gorge
Hi! I just got the Best-In-Slots weapon. Just macro to Avatar? Thanks!
haughty stratus
What's better for M+? Blademaster's Torment or Warlord's Torment? I'm seeing arms use both but not sure which is better
tacit crystal
one is st and one is aoe
gilded basin
anyone who can help me analyze my mythic logs and help me get better? :)
tacit crystal
pick what you want since its preference
gilded basin
oh thx
mental spindle
could anyone tell me how to improve on DPS?
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/NMLhZCmyFAnpdqvr
i do FINE in m+ but apperantly i suck in this raid
first time iv played warrior since like, BfA tho
I see iv put it in the wrong section, sorry
lean geode
could anyone tell me how to improve on DPS?
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...
Do you have any specific questions? Are there parts of the rotation that you aren't sure how to handle? Are there fight-specific timings or mechanics you're struggling to maximize dps around?
mental spindle
I'm really not sure tbh.
It seems to be so bad that i dont know where to start.
I keep rend and deep wounds up, i use Colossus smash after putting out all my bleeds, and before i use bladestorm, and i prio execute>mortal strike>overpower>slam
ill take any takes to improve.
also, slayer or colossus for one armed bandit/mugzee?
and raid in general?
minor gust
I'm really not sure tbh.
It seems to be so bad that i dont know where to start.
...
I would start with reading any of the guides in DPS FAQ cuz thats not the priority you should be following
lean geode
Slayer for every fight in raid except maybe Stix depending on your raid comp
And maybe mythic bandit
terse musk
Do we use MS during ravager in big packs to get to 10 stacks of demolish fast? Ive seen a video saying not to use MS during ravager
lean geode
"Don't ms during ravager" applies to specifically when running Executioners Precision during execute range
minor gust
thats for ST and during execute only
lean geode
In aoe you absolutely do MS during rav
minor gust
yeah basically only when your playing ravager in raid with EP during exe
terse musk
So we press execute instead durign that phase. Ok got it
minor gust
if you are in raid with ravager and EP and the boss is in exe yeah you just spam exe and let ravager cast MS for you
shadow ibex
Buff tom
minor gust
minor gust
TOM died with warlords torment
good riddance
except for old warlords I miss that guy
lean geode
TOM died with warlords torment
Also the IP/ww nerf
minor gust
you can say what you want about our rage economy in DF but what warlords did was make CS actually feel great to press especially in execute. Warlords kinda died for no reason aswell cuz our rage is still stupid and something we dont give two fucks about overcapping
so give us old warlords back rage still pointless anyways
minor gust
Also the IP/ww nerf
Biggest arms downgrade going into TWW was the loss of SOS
shadow ibex
Yea the rage changes were dumb
dim basalt
Ive tried blademasters tormentt in M+ and its lowkey sick
shadow ibex
And just more of them saying nonsense about warrior but it not being true at all
Like colossus uses execute too much
Clearly that's an issue with execute and not ms tuning
minor gust
Ive tried blademasters tormentt in M+ and its lowkey sick
I dont like how its just for more aoe padding. Prefer warlords for the extra demo crit and it being useful in ST while blademaster has 0 value in ST
dim basalt
I dont like how its just for more aoe padding. Prefer warlords for the extra dem...
Fair point
shadow ibex
I don't want it to be a ton of st but more than 0?
minor gust
should lower MS cd aswell
maiden stirrup
Why are people playing Colossus over Slayer for Mythic Bandit?
shadow ibex
We should really be able to take both torments
lean geode
Why are people playing Colossus over Slayer for Mythic Bandit?
Add dam goes hard
shadow ibex
As long as our capstone are dog ass
maiden stirrup
Add dam goes hard
so its just to kill the assistants faster?
dim basalt
Why are people playing Colossus over Slayer for Mythic Bandit?
Perhaps because they struggle with add damage
Dunno
minor gust
Why are people playing Colossus over Slayer for Mythic Bandit?
I would assume colossus probably helps with killing the adds a lil more than slayer
lean geode
so its just to kill the assistants faster?
I think so yeah. Haven't done mythic bandit yet meself
maiden stirrup
I see
minor gust
SS demo onto add and boss helps
dim basalt
I also played colossus on Rik because we had a hard time dealing with the adds sometimes
minor gust
depends if your grp needs the add dmg or not
if you dont I would just full slayer into boss
dim basalt
Just wait and see if your guild can deal with the adds without you going col
Boss damage is also pretty important so if you dont have to go col then you shouldnt
lean geode
Idr who said it, maybe Walhe or madox, but if you don't have ww monks giga dunking the adds, you probably want to spec into more add dam
Boss dam isn't fully irrelevant but less relevant than add dam
minor gust
can look at the logs both the warriors doing piss weak compared to the rest of their raid
maiden stirrup
yeah cheers guys
wintry arch
can look at the logs both the warriors doing piss weak compared to the rest of t...
Piss weak on add dmg?
minor gust
on overall lemme see what add dmg is like
wintry arch
Oh myb y’all are talking about rik still I thought one armed
minor gust
no im talkin about one armed
dim basalt
But arms damage on Rik is also piss if youre not col
And if youre col then your damage is piss on boss
Not like it would otherwise be good on boss tho
minor gust
@lean geode DO you know what the difference is between these two on bandit logs?
im not that much of a log wizard
dim basalt
<@138757776707944448> DO you know what the difference is between these two on ba...
Maybe cc-able vs not cc-able adds?
I wouldnt be surprised if they had different IDs
lean geode
<@138757776707944448> DO you know what the difference is between these two on ba...
Between the two assistants? No clue
I'm also not at home rn so can't really look at logs myself
dim basalt
For assistants Id guess the ones that are there from the start and the ones that spawn, but would have to see numbers
minor gust
the first reel assistent the two warriors are blasting on with big demo I think those are the ones where a bunch of them spawn right?
hmm well gonna be interesting to see when more warriors kills bandit
mental spindle
I would start with reading any of the guides in DPS FAQ cuz thats not the priori...
so from what i can see, Execute is prio IF you have x3 marked for execution
only use overpower if åay them back is active, or winning streak is on 7+ stacks (not sure about this)
MS on CD
rend on 4 seconds left
is this correct?
lean geode
Also exe if your juggernaut is close to falling off, if you have 2x sudden death, or 1x sudden death and it's close to falling off
And OP with opportunist over MS
minor gust
so from what i can see, Execute is prio IF you have x3 marked for execution
only...
Missing a couple conditionals on that execute OP is wrong idk whats telling you that
lean geode
I think the OP with winning streak/pay them back is fake
dawn prairie
so from what i can see, Execute is prio IF you have x3 marked for execution
only...
i gotta get my all my stacks to show on my wa somehow
minor gust
which guide did u read outta curiousity
lean geode
The OP stuff is old I think @minor gust , fishy and walhe took it out at some point
It used to be in there tho
mental spindle
so Op regardless of winning streak stacks?
also OP with opportunist over MS, even if you have 2 stacks of the MS increasing buff up?
minor gust
if the execute conditionals seem to overbearing for you btw we have a WA that takes out all the thinking required
lean geode
Not if you have 2x martial prowess
mental spindle
which guide did u read outta curiousity
read the maxroll one, but also asked a friend that seems to be doing better than I
mental spindle
Oh I think revvez does actually play around winning streak
yea no, im SOOOO much better
mental spindle
if the execute conditionals seem to overbearing for you btw we have a WA that ta...
where can i find it, i love to not use my brain if i can avoid it
or...to use it uintill i get my legs under me more like
lean geode
where can i find it, i love to not use my brain if i can avoid it
Ctrl+f "SD conditions"
Think it's also in the #dps-faq weakaura section
mental spindle
I am sorry for all the annoying, amature questions here. i'm just desperate to be not horrible
minor gust
It will play a kaching sound whenever you should press execute
halcyon valve
https://wago.io/9n9GqeQ6-
Silence, weakaura user
Vibes guy is talking
minor gust
remember this only applies when your not in execute phase
lean geode
Toreole are you ever gonna come help me update wowa
halcyon valve
Sorry no
minor gust
Silence, weakaura user
Vibes guy is talking
lean geode
Based
mental spindle
remember this only applies when your not in execute phase
much apreciated
halcyon valve
I got plenty of stuff to do in terms of things i have to and want to, that wowa has negative priority
lean geode
But consider this: SD is real annoying to fix the buff processing for and I don't wanna
Also I have to fully rewrite both arms and fury to use the new melee uptime component 🙂
lean geode
I'm not 🙂
halcyon valve
But yeah good luck with all that
glossy tusk
Ragalicióòus-Draenor lol that guy got brewery neck and already has it but he only sells items he said so watch out for him, hes gonna vendor it instead i even offered 10k but he wants at least 50k or he vendors XD
shadow ibex
what
lean geode
minor gust
mans a buisness man
lean geode
That sucks for you bud but like what are we supposed to do about it?
violet steeple
Loot is whoever gets its to decide, pretend it didn’t drop for you (because it didn’t)
violet steeple
I don’t pay people for loot on principle, I’ll ask, if they say “how much” I just accept it never dropped for me
dim basalt
People did this for spymasters and asked ridiculous amounts of gold
halcyon valve
I once had like 6 different people in a heroic pug whisper me about wanting to buy my loot
lean geode
I've offered people money for loot bc my mental was shattered from running the same dungeon for 2 weeks straight
I've never paid someone who asked for it tho
glossy tusk
That sucks for you bud but like what are we supposed to do about it?
warning u guys of him xd
fresh spire
Opportunist Vs Winning/pay them back is more or less the same thing, Opportunist in my findings was overall stronger while being considerably more simple
track proc vs tracking 2 procs durations stacks @_@ no thanks
i hit shiny overpower 🙂
shadow ibex
sounds about right
ive had pulls where opp was hardest hit as slayer
needed that 15% nerf fershure
quaint otter
id say COLOSSAL diff
magic canopy
Tom can stay dead
quaint otter
random ibex
how annoying is using ratfang trinket?
quasi torrent
how annoying is using ratfang trinket?
ratfang angle
twin hazel
Is Zee's Thug hotline worth anything?
random ibex
ratfang angle
is this a meme?
halcyon breach
The difference is just one of them is the 2 first that are active at the start of the fight
minor gust
The difference is just one of them is the 2 first that are active at the start o...
thank you
quasi torrent
The difference is just one of them is the 2 first that are active at the start o...
banezi 👉 🛏️
glad rampart
yo, really weird question, a guildie was joking around about "arms never hitting execute", tf did he mean by this, havent played arms since Shadowlands so i've missed a bit
halcyon breach
banezi 👉 🛏️
anda 👉 🛌
halcyon breach
I'm not :3
halcyon breach
yo, really weird question, a guildie was joking around about "arms never hitting...
You do in fact Execute a lot more than you did in Shadowlands, however if you play the no Executioner's Precision Colossus build for M+, then Execute is just a filler and nothing else
gray herald
yo, really weird question, a guildie was joking around about "arms never hitting...
arms does in fact press execute
maybe he meant fury
minor gust
im literally tucked in buddy
need a kiss on the forehead?
halcyon prairie
Sim lords, how big is DPS gain from 2-set and 4-set?
strange perch
as an arms what overall is good in dungeons?
stoic siren
Sim lords, how big is DPS gain from 2-set and 4-set?
Sim it
opaque anchor
Was there ever a public statement/dev feedback/discussion about Arms AoE all having different range values? 8y, 10y, 12y, it's kinda dumb.
sage badge
I don't think so, at least not recently. For all intents and purposes, 8y should be enough assuming mobs are gathered.
empty kernel
do you guys macro any cooldowns together? like avatar/sweeping?
or even avatar/warbreaker
halcyon breach
No
empty kernel
learning arms atm after otping fury, more buttons on arms x)
scarlet root
just hit 3k where is my Enterprising Shreddertank mount?? smh
halcyon breach
Arms just has a piano opener compared to Fury being straight foward
empty kernel
just hit 3k where is my Enterprising Shreddertank mount?? smh
mine came in mail
halcyon breach
But it's always going to be the same opener
Just practice it on dummies until you get it down
scarlet root
mine came in mail
wow im blind thanks
empty kernel
wow im blind thanks
yw and gz!
halcyon prairie
learning arms atm after otping fury, more buttons on arms x)
Just send mortal strike on cd = win
empty kernel
Just practice it on dummies until you get it down
yeh working on it, fury feels so simple compared to this
halcyon breach
The reason that you don't want to macro stuff either, and can't really, is that basically everything is on the GCD, and you want to use them in set orders
empty kernel
i want to learn arms primarily for cinderbrew hahah
halcyon prairie
i want to learn arms primarily for cinderbrew hahah
Just send cleave on cd = win
empty kernel
The reason that you don't want to macro stuff either, and can't really, is that ...
i see yeah, i was thinking maybe i could do avatar and warbreaker since their cooldown kinda aligns and warbreaker is also a dmg increase ability similar to avatar right
so if i wanna send big damage id wanna ava + warbreaker anyway right?
halcyon breach
You could technically macro them together yes, but you'd want a separate WB bind anyway
Since there are moments where you want to just WB but not send Avatar, because it's not worth using Avatar on whatever pack you're on, or at the end of a boss fight
empty kernel
Since there are moments where you want to just WB but not send Avatar, because i...
i see yeah, that makes sense
minor gust
just like with fury with reck you dont always wanna send WB and ava together
halcyon prairie
i see yeah, that makes sense
Are you playing colossus?
empty kernel
Are you playing colossus?
yeah i took the m+ build from dps-faq here in the disc
minor gust
yeah i took the m+ build from dps-faq here in the disc
will give you the spoiler right cuz dps FAQ isnt updated. Drop EP and FB for double BB
halcyon prairie
But I like to align Avatar with demolish
empty kernel
I was gonna ask if I want to always pair warbreaker with demolish but I only wanna send demolish with 6 stacks of the thingy right?
shadow ibex
EP stinks
halcyon prairie
I still send demolish if the avatar cd is too long
empty kernel
will give you the spoiler right cuz dps FAQ isnt updated. Drop EP and FB for dou...
Whats EP and FB?
halcyon prairie
I was gonna ask if I want to always pair warbreaker with demolish but I only wan...
10
minor gust
Whats EP and FB?
Executioners precision and Finishing Blows
halcyon prairie
But if you do rotation properly you will almost always have 10 stack demolish
shadow ibex
it lasts long as hell even if you send early it should cover a WB/demo
avatar i mean
cdr class things
empty kernel
But if you do rotation properly you will almost always have 10 stack demolish
I see, and I get those stacks from mortal strike right?
minor gust
yeah you can press ava few seconds early but still you will want a WB and Demo in that window
halcyon prairie
Mortal strike and cleave if it hits 3+ targets
empty kernel
Executioners precision and Finishing Blows
whats BB? i feel so blind i cant find finishing blows on the talent tree either
empty kernel
ah ok nvm i see yeah
minor gust
whats BB? i feel so blind i cant find finishing blows on the talent tree either
theres a search button bar in the talent tree but BB is Bloodborne
empty kernel
theres a search button bar in the talent tree but BB is Bloodborne
oh shit there is, tysm i never knew
wish i could have mortal strike and cleave on same keybind somehow
its one or the other always right, single target vs aoe
minor gust
Fury players and their low key binds. Nows the time to start adding more and getting used to it instead of trying to macro shit
MMO mouses make a world of difference aswell
empty kernel
Fury players and their low key binds. Nows the time to start adding more and get...
i macro together reck+avatar on fury as well x)
i swear that spec is easy mode
halcyon prairie
Cleave 3+ targets and on single target with Collateral damage stacks
shadow ibex
Fury players and their low key binds. Nows the time to start adding more and get...
rav/reck macro
doin all the heavy lifting for me
empty kernel
Cleave 3+ targets and on single target with Collateral damage stacks
So id send one Cleave after sweeping strikes when ive fought 2+ targets
even if only one target left
smoky kayak
will give you the spoiler right cuz dps FAQ isnt updated. Drop EP and FB for dou...
Please don't blanket say things like "not updated" when you want to recommend something different - it gives off a very different perception from what you're trying to imply
if you want to recommend something different, you can just say what and why
minor gust
its one or the other always right, single target vs aoe
This one is a pretty loaded but at 3+ targets the prio will be Cleave > MS > OP at 2 targets its MS > OP > cleave and at 1 target MS > OP > Slam.
minor gust
Please don't blanket say things like "not updated" when you want to recommend so...
Sure my bad coulda worded it differently
halcyon prairie
So id send one Cleave after sweeping strikes when ive fought 2+ targets
Yea, don't know what is appropriate amount if stacks for single target send
smoky kayak
not to mention that acting like someone clearly struggling with the gameplay is going to magically perform better because they made a switch for +0.5% passive dam; when they clearly got bigger things to figure out
empty kernel
This one is a pretty loaded but at 3+ targets the prio will be Cleave > MS > OP ...
Right okay, I gotta fit slam into my keybind as well damn
halcyon prairie
And as buddy above said you still cast alot of mortal strike in aoe
empty kernel
ah right
Cleave MS Slam are rage spenders, and the priority changes based on how many targets that makes sense yeah
halcyon prairie
Slam is filler
empty kernel
I saw i could just forgo rend and use thunder clap instead always right
halcyon prairie
You cast slam when there is nothing else
empty kernel
slam above thunderclap/rend if they already have bleed though right?
i only use rend/thunderclap to apply the bleed and nothing else
halcyon prairie
slam above thunderclap/rend if they already have bleed though right?
Yes
empty kernel
gotcha makes sensemakes sense 🗒️ ✍️
minor gust
not to mention that acting like someone clearly struggling with the gameplay is ...
Didnt mean it like that my intention of bringing it up was because a lot of us have come to the same conclusion of not liking EP in the colossus M+ due to how little we cast exe in an M+ scenario. And since he mentioned he got his build from the DPS FAQ I just wanted to give him the heads up. Playing with EP has lead to some new player confusion aswell with what to do in execute as colossus. Again my bad for making it sound like whats in DPS FAQ is wrong ik you have put a lot of work into it
smoky kayak
it's fine to have a preference, it's also fine to recommend something different
but more importantly that how much work someone may or may not put into it, it's creating the impression that the resources are somehow wrong, which gives a bad impression and is misleading for people who don't know better
minor gust
agreed
halcyon prairie
gotcha makes sensemakes sense 🗒️ ✍️
You will learn it quickly, outaide cooldowns arms is really not that complicated IMO
smoky kayak
cause if you just unilaterally decide one thing is wrong, the question then becomes "well what else is?"
empty kernel
You will learn it quickly, outaide cooldowns arms is really not that complicated...
thank u 🙏 will keep at it
I see whirlwind mentioned a lot in the talent tree for arms but we dont have whirlwind do we?
smoky kayak
fwiw, I agree with you though, EP is not exactly smooth for Colossus
halcyon prairie
I see whirlwind mentioned a lot in the talent tree for arms but we dont have whi...
Cleave replaces ww
minor gust
cause if you just unilaterally decide one thing is wrong, the question then beco...
we see that confusion all the time when people ask what guide is better icy veins or wowhead when their made by the same person
empty kernel
Cleave replaces ww
ah makes sense, tysm
halcyon prairie
Np np
smoky kayak
I mean I have no problem changing the recommended build if someone wants to make a good argument for it
I added Slayer BL for that reason, despite my personally never wanting to touch it with a 10ft pole
empty kernel
I saw crit being nr1 stat prio for arms, but my gear doesnt rly focus on it as well. Will this limit my damage a lot?
or is it kinda w.e
halcyon prairie
Crit is juicy on arms
empty kernel
man i regret vendoring some crit necklessness now
minor gust
I mean I have no problem changing the recommended build if someone wants to make...
I think as long as colossus treats exe as a slam replacement EP is not that great because of how much MS/OP resets we get. Every key I look at I end with usually 20 or less execute casts.
lean geode
I saw crit being nr1 stat prio for arms, but my gear doesnt rly focus on it as w...
You can sim your character on raidbots and it'll tell you what the best gear for you to equip/farm is
smoky kayak
man i regret vendoring some crit necklessness now
if you really care about it you can item restore, but presuming you're not running around in 678 already, pretty much everything is replaceable through M+
you'll also find that as your gear gets better, stats tend to converge a lot, so you don't strictly need crit in every slot or anything
empty kernel
if you really care about it you can item restore, but presuming you're not runni...
how far back can i restore stuff? i assume they only keep like last 30 pieces
smoky kayak
it's a few weeks worth from what I remember, but idk, go look
minor gust
one high Crit ring or neck is really all you need
Arms like mastery aswell so its fine
halcyon prairie
Pretty much all stats are goid on arms
empty kernel
ill check the restore thing as well
halcyon prairie
Don't know about vers
empty kernel
thats bis, no?
smoky kayak
I think as long as colossus treats exe as a slam replacement EP is not that grea...
I don't think the amount it gets cast is the issue so much as the fact that Exe starts to rage starve you - FB helps maintain but you often get stuck in a weird rotation where you either run out of OP charges while MS is still on cooldown or it just doesn't generate quite enough to use MS/Exe again
realistically, FB should probably just generate more rage than it does, cause 8 isn't really enough to do anything with
numerically, its tuned to compete with Critical Thinking, but just doesn't flow very well since you're trying to use OP as both a generator and a filler
swift inlet
thats bis, no?
Yes
minor gust
I don't think the *amount* it gets cast is the issue so much as the fact that Ex...
Probably right but my brain just goes hey this is a talent that only works if I cast execute. So if im only pressing execute maybe 4-5 times on a boss I dont see the point and I would rather take a talent that gives me more all around power.
smoky kayak
that opinion is completely fair
the real power comes from Ravager during Execute, but that timing isn't always viable on shorter dungeon boss fights
swift inlet
damn ok nice thank god for item restoration lmao
It’s always good to sim everything. You could honestly just grab any purple you have in the item restoration to see what you have, then sim to see what gets you at the highest output. Jewelry is pretty weird cause no Str, but generally if it has crit (like Charmed) it’s good
halcyon prairie
damn ok nice thank god for item restoration lmao
Oh yea and you don't cast rend /thunder clap after 35% hp, Mortal strike refreshes it at that point
minor gust
the real power comes from Ravager during Execute, but that timing isn't always v...
yeah would depend on the boss, and how high the key is, and when you get ravager back. Hard to judge
empty kernel
It’s always good to sim everything. You could honestly just grab any purple you ...
ill look thru, quite a lot in there but ill scout for crit as least
minor gust
like Last boss of rookery getting shield while hes below 20% nice
empty kernel
Oh yea and you don't cast rend /thunder clap after 35% hp, Mortal strike refresh...
aaa good to know, tysm
smoky kayak
Oh yea and you don't cast rend /thunder clap after 35% hp, Mortal strike refresh...
unless there are several targets anyway
though you could tab target mortal strike around, that's a lot of effort
halcyon prairie
though you *could* tab target mortal strike around, that's a lot of effort
Yea thunderclap is much better option for that
And thanks for the guides mate, really helped me get into arms
empty kernel
welp im gonna throw myself into some m0s or low keys to try out arms, tysm for the help guys
minor gust
when in doubt press cleave and MS
empty kernel
ok first dungeon done, i think im a liiiittle better
a few questions tho, how long am i holding Demolish to line it up w/ warbreaker and avatar? if I have 10 stacks
also, in the m+ build. I think im slowly getting the hang of the cleave/MS/OP/slam priority, but how does execute fit into that if im not running EP?
empty kernel
so in m+ ill be wanting to use execute w/ like mouseover to use it on low health enemies instead of slam for most of the trash packs?
minor gust
as far as holding demo for WB in aoe they should always be lining up but will desync in ST at times if WB and Demo are more than 10 sec apart ill just send demo naked in ST
shadow ibex
you would just cleave if you are fighting many targets
minor gust
so in m+ ill be wanting to use execute w/ like mouseover to use it on low health...
no need
shadow ibex
between MS cleave and OP you almost always have something to press
and tclap to refresh bleeds
minor gust
slam is the lowest prio filler so if mobs are sub 20% execute would still be the lowest priority
empty kernel
between MS cleave and OP you almost always have something to press
riiight id only be pressing slam in ST, or execute instead
empty kernel
I felt like I was overcapping rage a fair bit, should I use slam over OP in ST if im at max rage?
minor gust
dont worry about overcapping
empty kernel
alright
minor gust
rage isnt real
empty kernel
is there a execute/slam macro 🤔
shadow ibex
no
unborn patrol
I just had a 7m MS on chewie in BREW and I have no idea why
empty kernel
if execute just replaces slam below 20% wouldnt it be possible to have both on one button?
like use execute, if that doesnt work use slam or something?
or would there be a reason for me wanting them on seperate keybinds
minor gust
thats not how macros work unfortunately something like that would break once u get 20% and can use execute anyways
because you can still slam sub 20%
empty kernel
awh
minor gust
dont be lazy get to keybind practice!
empty kernel
would a cast-sequence skip execute if target isnt below 20% and use slam, but if it is below 20% it would use execute?
🤔
empty kernel
dont be lazy get to keybind practice!
i already dont have a keybind for my poor spell reflection D:
shadow ibex
use z
empty kernel
Z is my unsheath button to look cool
empty kernel
Z is good suggestion tho ill find smth else to unsheath
minor gust
i already dont have a keybind for my poor spell reflection D:
start incorporating more keybinds there so much you can use
holy main abillities on QERF found the moba player
empty kernel
holy main abillities on QERF found the moba player
YEP hahaha
league is my main game last 10 years 
minor gust
hey whatever is comfortable to you
highly recommend owning an MMO mouse realy helps for keybindings
but dont be afraid to incoporate more shitft Ctrl binds
or alt if you like that key
empty kernel
tbh im pretty comfortable with Ctrl R/Q/E, currently use them for mount and my buff, could prolly use them for more important stuff
empty kernel
highly recommend owning an MMO mouse realy helps for keybindings
got two mouse buttons which i already use for charge and tab targetting, used to have an mmo mouse a few years back but always felt uncomfortable with how i hold mice
empty kernel
I even use tilde key even tho that's my ptt
tilde is good, imma use that
Ig I still have F3 and F4 unbound as well, F1 F2 are heals atm
shadow ibex
I don't use those cept marking
minor gust
got two mouse buttons which i already use for charge and tab targetting, used to...
my mouse has 12 buttons on it. If its uncomfortable for you then yeah no need prioritize your hand comfort. can just use Ctrl and shift for more keybinds then
rest is just muscle memory practice
minor gust
Ineed low keybind specs spoil you
