arms

[pine widget]

hello guys.I am going today to craft 2 items.how much generally crit we should have ? and is it worth to use 2x crit embelishments or versa ?

[astral yarrow]

you just sim your options in top gear and then do what gives the highest green number 👍

[pine widget]

sim the embelishment how ?

[astral yarrow]

just below your simc paste theres a box where you can add any item. Add the crafted items and then find the crafted items in the graphical thing where you would mark the choices to consider. Press the "+" in top right corner of the item and add the embellishment

[pine widget]

ah ok

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[astral yarrow]

crafted plate items are called everforged

[strange perch]

Thank you

[covert drift]

Turns out i was tripping, the talent don't refresh rend, but only reaply if rend is not on the target

[astral yarrow]

it should refresh rend as well

[covert drift]

I did not

That i'm sure

It only applied when it was out of the target

but it did not refresh

[celest magnet]

Yes it benefits, so you want 2x EP before going into bladestorm

[astral yarrow]

works in raid and m+ that way, so who cares really

[shadow ibex]

yea it extends and reapplies

even moreso, if you sweep MS you can get the free rend on a target thats above 35%

if it hits a target below as well

https://tenor.com/view/calculation-math-hangover-allen-zach-galifianakis-gif-6219070

warrior brain

[balmy kindle]

can blizz fix dem slayer talents for ravager ?? or buff bladestorm ?? why am i doing more dmg with 2 bricked talents blizz explain

[shadow ibex]

you mostly notice it during big exe phases

but otherwise it also just feels better since the CDR means rav and CS line up

[latent moss]

happened to me a few times as well

in m+ where it just sometimes doesnt reapply rend

[shadow ibex]

ive seen tclap not applying rend to my target but thats cuz i guess it doesnt prio w/e youre targetting when taking 5 target limit into account

thats only time ive seen rend not apply

[latent moss]

will shadowplay when it happens again

[shadow ibex]

ive noticed the SD AM CS bug a lot this patch

its like AM doesnt know that the SD exe is free

cuz you get the CDR and then it goes back to like 1.5 sec left on CS cooldown

ive had CS come off cooldown from an SD execute "spending" rage and then go back on cooldown

[rancid solstice]

Are we playing around brutal finish? Like in opener after bladestorm use SD proc (even if WA doesn’t say) and 2x martial prowess or just MS on cd?

[shadow ibex]

you dont play around it

dont think its even mentioned in APL

[stable fiber]

i play around it personally

hitting a 12 million MS feels good

[rancid solstice]

Damn ok. I started sending SD and at least one overpower and the massive MS kinda feels good

Fury plays around it so I wanted to ask

[shadow ibex]

i mean if you got a tact proc from apply rend

yea send OP

and if 0 jug stacks send SD to get them going

its fairly common that you will get 1 of those if not 2 of those conditions shortly after pull

[rancid solstice]

Yeah it’s true

[shadow ibex]

if you charge rend CS MS BS chances are you've got a OP reset so opp will give it prio when BS ends

[onyx jetty]

What do we think of the Remnant of Darkness trinket?

[stable fiber]

bad

[shadow ibex]

the SD proc is just rng but again p common to get 1 in that time

[onyx jetty]

Thanks 🙂

[shadow ibex]

has anyone used it im curious what uptime is on buff

i have 655 but just never put it on

[onyx jetty]

Saw someone saying 85%

[shadow ibex]

the fact its a 15 second dot and if you cannot gain the main stat while the dot ticks

is just dumb

[stable fiber]

my only time interacting with that trinket was on ptr and it wasnt even proccing

[lean geode]

I'm a charge rend roar MS BS kinda guy myself (using opp if it procs ofc)

[stable fiber]

yeah we dont use cs

bad global

[shadow ibex]

idk why they decided to add two stacking main stat trinkets

this and the one from last tier

only this one isnt on use

[quartz fox]

Hey guys I just need a little bit of help with two things

1. when starting a mythic key some times the group will pull big with lust, Should I be blowing all tm CDs to get the most dmg out THEN when I have full stacks of colossal might (10) then I use WarBreaker and demolish ..? Or should I be running in with zero cds used and only use them once I have 10 stacks for demolish ????

2. sorta same questions as number one
   But if we are running pack to pack but we stop for healer to get mana let's say and I lose my demolish stacks but my CDs are ready Should I still blow them or should I re-build my stacks ??

[stable fiber]

you can blow all cds, but save the demolish for 10 stacks, you should EASILY get 10 stacks in like 6-8 seconds with ravager, sweeping strikes with ms and cleave spam

doing that on like a meadery is the only way ive bursted for like 15-18m dps on that first pull

[lean geode]

oh yeah that too xdd

[quartz fox]

Ok that's what I thought
Becauze when I was making the hard switch from fury to arms
I tried both ways
I didn't use any CD till I was close to being full on stacks
And it just felt so bad

But I wanted to make sure

Just got my 4 piece
I'm 641 atm
And I really want to push my arms warrior to a higher level in raid and keys
Looking to push 3k IO this season on him

[stable fiber]

Also if its 3 or more targets you can save the demolish for 10 stacks, it stacks extremely fast on 3+ targets.

if its 2 you can sweeping strikes ms a couple of times then use demolish at like 6 seconds left on smash debuff.

one mob id just send a raw 1 stack (or more depending if you get resets, you should use the resets until it doesnt reset)

[dim basalt]

Nah never send with less than 10 stacks

Not worth it

[stable fiber]

yeah that unsyncs everything if its just a ST boss for example and you are going into it with 0 stacks

which is like not ideal

[shadow ibex]

if i enter with 0 i just build as many as possible

and cast before CS ends

6/7is p consistent and ive gotten to 10 with resets and crits just natty CS

[icy oyster]

If i enter execute range without a great amount of juggernaut stacks, should i spam execute to 15 asap?

[smoky kayak]

this is not always the best advice, really depends on the pack - waiting for 10 stacks while stuff is close to dying could easily result in missing targets

[dim basalt]

If targets are almost dead you might as well keep it for next pack

[smoky kayak]

depends on what is coming next

[shadow ibex]

some packs also just have a bunch of trash health mobs

some top pulls

[smoky kayak]

as well as the state of your cooldowns

[shadow ibex]

and priory

[smoky kayak]

generally you want 10 stacks, yeah, but there are times you can send with less

[shadow ibex]

you can start the cast before 10

and a ravager tick will send it to 10

if youre really worried about a target dying

but if its that in danger of dying its probably not a very dangerous mob anyway

[teal fossil]

The only mob that’s dangerous are the ones that increase my meters

[smoky kayak]

if its dying within the span of demolish, you're already probably sending too late

if your intent is to maximize damage on that pack anyway

[naive sage]

Based

[boreal quartz]

@thick kelp tip creamy... (do you think i will vault a weapon?)

[thick kelp]

yees

[boreal quartz]

Vault in 5 if i dont get one i will prolly not he happy

But its ok im Zen

[naive breach]

vault weapon is a lie

[dire hinge]

if you craft one your next vault will be nothing but weapons 100%

[minor gust]

indeed

that is how it works

[flat willow]

Perfect if you play fury

[crimson steppe]

Is there a decent slayer build for m+? I just like Reap the storm

[naive breach]

crafted today after big disappointment ofc

[balmy kindle]

BL slayer is pretty rad

[naive breach]

next week for sure

[minor gust]

you would just play the colossus M+ build but with slayer and BS

[balmy kindle]

dmg profile is something like this

[dire hinge]

there's one here if you really want it, but Colossus is generally recommended
https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/warrior/arms/talent-builds-pve-dps#mythic-talent-build

[icy mulch]

They really need to buff and uncap bladestorm and ravager.

[naive breach]

what is a bladestorm

[icy mulch]

It would go a long way to actually giving us a chance to keep up with all these massive pull dungeons.

[dire hinge]

bladestorm does need some love, especially in single target

[balmy kindle]

isnt BS and rav alr uncapped less dmg beyond 8 ?

[icy mulch]

Right now it's a buff for Rampage or MS.

[dire hinge]

yeah it's reduced beyond 8 targets

[minor gust]

BS could use a massive buff but ravager is in a fine spot

[flat willow]

Bladestorm is the thing that makes you cast mortal strike really fast

If you play slayer

[smoky kayak]

if you want Slayer but without Juggernaut, try the middle build in #1273899844599283733

[icy mulch]

Sims don't show that much diff between prio damage though. Just a massive gap on aoe.

If slayer was worlds above Colossus on Prio, it might be worth running at times.

[smoky kayak]

some people just like Bladestorm or don't like Demolish

[flat willow]

I do like bladestorm

Well not right now considering it doesnt do damage

But I like the concept

[naive breach]

some people dont like male human

[smoky kayak]

some people are wrong

[naive breach]

@thick kelp

[smoky kayak]

and that's ok, it makes the rest of us feel better about ourselves 🙂

[boreal quartz]

u cursed it

evil

[grizzled estuary]

guys how to play priory second boss, do you soak or not please?
its so much damage
i usually do one with die by the sword but still hits a ton and not sure which one i should take
i wanna save spell reflect for shield

[thick kelp]

hi

[fresh spire]

ngl im praying to god they buff bs damage a sizeable amount and reduce its channel

i'm starting to hate ravager setup in keys with SS/Avatar/wb

just so much fucking set up

[minor gust]

fury Bladestorm duration the dream

[fresh spire]

its what has been asked of blizzard

see if they deliver 🙏

[half wagon]

Wrap it up lads, our guides suck because Archi plays Fury slightly more.

[minor gust]

TBH I would be fine if they didnt give us the fury duration but instead giga buff BS to be top dmg in keys

[shadow ibex]

at this point i would take a choice node with unhinged that makes BS fuck but then thats just unhinged lmao

idk how they can make BS do dam

[minor gust]

if its gonna last awhile atleast do a fuck ton of dmg

[fresh spire]

100% buff or 2 second duration in iftk 🙏

i really want BS to fuck again

[shadow ibex]

if you made ravager unhinged only you could probably do stuff with BS actually hitting hard

[grizzled estuary]

wait do you always wait SS and WB for ravager?

[fresh spire]

i wanna spin and crank aoe

[shadow ibex]

but as long as unhinged exists

idk if BS can hit hard

i think moving it to ravager only and tuning BS independent would be the best if you purely want BS to hit hard

[fresh spire]

if they made Bs not have unhinged it would kill slayer

they just need to clone fury bs

[minor gust]

remember when they super buffed BS last time and we were all so happy

[fresh spire]

and tune its damage/ticks

[minor gust]

now look at us 😦

[shadow ibex]

i mean if we want it to do aoe dmg

you could reverse cyclone

[fresh spire]

they have had feedback sent along side the ravager fuckery

just waiting to see if they do anything from it

[shadow ibex]

if we purely want it to do aoe dam

[fresh spire]

i want BS to really do a fuck ton of damage on aoe again

enough that when i full send cds and spin it just owns

cull cleave off and buff BS to living fuck

🙏

[minor gust]

yee that is the correct fantasy for BS

[shadow ibex]

that just demolish tho no?

thats my beef with slayer and colo really

wanting to make BS into ultimate aoe fuck button

is just demolish

[fresh spire]

imagine wanting BS to be BS again

[shadow ibex]

well yea man

[fresh spire]

demolish stinks sometimes too

[shadow ibex]

we also have a short CD button

that does mega aoe

thats what BS is

esp with slayer CDR and AM

idk i think you have to admit those buttons are very similar

[minor gust]

Slayer cdr can be weird to play around in keys

its not as simple as CM for colossus

[fresh spire]

worst part is

[shadow ibex]

i just mean demo and BS have enough CDR that they are both up frequently

[smoky kayak]

WHAT!?

He doesn't switch even when its slightly ahead? This is an outrage!

[fresh spire]

if they did buff BS, tune its ticks so unhinged was less cringe. slayer would own in keys inironically

[shadow ibex]

they also both have misalign issues

[minor gust]

its been awhile since ive played a slayer key I remember BS was not up that often because of how its cdr works

was nowhere near like demolish that you can have every pack

[flat willow]

I think there's a temporality problem here, mostly bladestorm is 15 years old and demolish is 6 months old

[shadow ibex]

i mean thats also an issue of

[fresh spire]

Bs like 45 second cD

[shadow ibex]

MFE stacks and exe being worth to send in aoe

[fresh spire]

if you are spending MFE stacks

[shadow ibex]

etc etc

[flat willow]

Demolish is what bladestorm should be

[smoky kayak]

Mortal Strike is what Bloodthirst should be

[flat willow]

True

[smoky kayak]

Raging Blow is what Overpower should be

Execute is what Execute should be!

[balmy kindle]

just take 1

[flat willow]

[minor gust]

Fury execute spender again bring it back!

[flat willow]

Oh no

You are summoning it

The super saiyan execute video

It's coming

[minor gust]

make rampage talents work with execute so your just smashing executes sub 35% with BT weaving

[fresh spire]

buff fury execute 200%

make it replace rampage

[wide pebble]

Critcake did say today that generally, fury > arms in raid.

Everything is a fury fight except for MugZee

Arms is so good in keys though

[minor gust]

tuning is likely to happen soon

not saying were gonna get any but we could and everything can change

[fresh spire]

revert execute nerf surely

since execute really didnt matter 😄

[minor gust]

take the time to vibe right now and play what you wanna play

[fresh spire]

only boss i would say you might be trolling not playing fury is stix

but even then if you are running 3 windwalkers maybe not so much trolling

:kekw

[minor gust]

RIP WW and Fire mage when they get shot

[fresh spire]

praying firemage gets buried

[balmy kindle]

no pity

[fresh spire]

🙏

[slow saddle]

Lol chances are we get shot first

[fresh spire]

warrior isn't over preforming though

[minor gust]

Mage will be fine cuz in the same notes they shoot fire they will giga buff frost or Arcane

[flat willow]

Mage is always fine

[fresh spire]

monk on the other hand

:kekw

[shadow ibex]

good thing arms got nerfed twice before patch

[balmy kindle]

they sucked in s1

[shadow ibex]

whew could you imagine

[slow saddle]

Warrior 2 high brother!

[dire hinge]

true true, we should always be last

[flat willow]

Monk about to be taken behind the barn

[shadow ibex]

if DK and frost gets buffed

[fresh spire]

tbf most logs are first 4

[flat willow]

Their 2 weeks of relevance in the expansion are over

[shadow ibex]

that graph is gonna look a lot like abberus

[fresh spire]

when others fill up more likely see a better picture

[slow saddle]

Above middle line is dangerous

[dire hinge]

just skillgap your raid team with the bad spec it's a tale as old as time

[smoky kayak]

strong case for Crucible and Bandit as well, though Fury competes well enough

[minor gust]

just use heroic log data like blizz did with fury 🙂

[shadow ibex]

we'll be above evoker

[fresh spire]

prepatch

[shadow ibex]

when its more fleshed out

[cloud gyro]

now sort boss damage (what matters)

-> ARMS NERF?

😱

[fresh spire]

nah not even close to being nerf worthy

[smoky kayak]

Arms can be surprisingly good on Vexie as well, Sweep and BS line up real naturally

[grizzled estuary]

so one over the whole fight? thanks

[misty sandal]

I agree. Buff arms

[fresh spire]

buff bladestorm

[flat willow]

Aug being dead really is enough to put a smile on my face

[minor gust]

nooooo Blizz dont nerf Havoc that spec owns more fun than warrior right now

[cloud gyro]

havoc is hella fun

[fresh spire]

i doubt they will nerf dh

[cloud gyro]

im doing 3.5mil boss dps on 1st boss darkflame

[fresh spire]

monk mage the real outliers

[cloud gyro]

dont nerf :d

[smoky kayak]

tbf, swap it to damage to bosses and Arms does climb

[cloud gyro]

fury is turbo fake

[fresh spire]

Arms will climb the more last bosses are killed too

[minor gust]

ofc after the giga stacking from RWF no shot WW and fire dont recieve nerfs

[smoky kayak]

but I think we can all agree monk/fire mage could afford to come down

[shadow ibex]

hard doubt

[fresh spire]

as it will be pretty ok for Sprocket/mug/one arm

[smoky kayak]

and after that, Arms would be in a pretty solid place

[fresh spire]

then it will fall a little to last boss

[cloud gyro]

havoc either gets wounded quarry nerf or -3-5%

[slow saddle]

I just hope we dont get nerfed

[fresh spire]

gotta remember the majority of the logs representation is pad bosses

First/Rik/Stix all has mega aoe

[shadow ibex]

it'll be the spec above aug for overall

[minor gust]

plz no thats what makes it really fuckin good in keys just nerf eyebeam a lil

[dire hinge]

shhh they'll remove pad from logs again

[smoky kayak]

ironically I was hyped to play Arms this tier, but Fury standing up real well too so

[fresh spire]

warcraft logs trying to save arms

[cloud gyro]

if you count 'important damage' then fire mage and havoc are like 30% overpowered

its kinda crazy

in keys i mean

[wide pebble]

Yeah the case for fury on Bandit would be the chaotic add phase towards the end, but by the time most people are on that fight, the adds will probably melt

[smoky kayak]

and Execute still has value there as well

my group doesn't even do AoE adds on Heroic anymore, I'm never gonna get a good parse

[serene thicket]

If chest is off slot and I have tier 4 set on hero track but stuck with 619 chest, is it crazy to 675 craft a chest instead of cloak?

[lean geode]

[shadow ibex]

chest is a big ilvl stat budget piece

wouldnt be ideal to eat -3 ilvls on it at all

[serene thicket]

Don’t think I have that level of understanding

[shadow ibex]

crafted items will be below a max upgraded mythic item

chest piece is a item slot that has a lot of stat budget. lots of str armor for armored to teeth and secondary

so you would have a chest piece with lower max ilvl than a mythic chest piece

[dire hinge]

Strength/Stamina is not equal between slots 👍

[wide pebble]

Your crafted pieces should be the ones with the least amount of stat difference between 3ilvls, such as wrists and cloak

[shadow ibex]

you'd rather lose 3 ilvls on a cloak which has a low stat budget than a chest/shoulders or helmet that have a lot of stats. not all armor pieces are equal

[rapid bronze]

rip

[serene thicket]

Ah didn’t understand that was the reason. I thought just didn’t want to craft tier slots

[dire hinge]

that too, it inhibits your options a bit

[rapid bronze]

got sabotaged by our priests who gave me 3 PIs and invalidated my 99 gallywix parse

[dire hinge]

was it really a 99 parse if you have 3 PIs

[rapid bronze]

I guess not

[wide pebble]

Lmao

[rapid bronze]

but I was almost there!

it was probably a 98 or something

[dire hinge]

that still sucks, im sorry

[rapid bronze]

lol it's fine it's hilarious

[wide pebble]

Is the invalidation from 2 PI on you at the same time or overlapping, or any fight where different people are sending PI?

[rapid bronze]

I think it's when different people do it

[dire hinge]

it's overlapping that does the invalidation

if you recieve more than 1 PI within the duration that a normal PI would be on cooldown you get invalidated

[wide pebble]

Got it

[rapid bronze]

yeah I've gotten 2 PIs over the course of a fight and it counted

[compact geyser]

is par hasting still a thing ?

[dire hinge]

it is!

it's very niche, but yes Parry Haste still exists. You can DieByTheSword+Taunt and get more autos through

[compact geyser]

ok so i pop dbts and intervene tank right ?

oh and taunt

[dire hinge]

mhmm!

intervene is probably WAY safer

[compact geyser]

if im taunting its for a reflect

nothing else

[dire hinge]

valid valid

[balmy kindle]

in my experience u can usally chip in and take one without taking serious dmg, 2 is going to kill you unless serious heals

[grizzled estuary]

even in 12+? tyvm

[balmy kindle]

lol haven reached 12+ but assuming gear lvels are high can probably survive 1 with dbts

[dusty depot]

I love MOTHERLODE on arms but hate DFC

[minor gust]

DFC is by far the worst dungeon this rotation

its not even that difficult just annoying

[gilded basin]

any chance were getting trinket tuning anytime soon? some trinkets are so fucking ass its insane and stuff like sacbrood is still giga broken

[balmy kindle]

wat ? the new delve trinks are mega busted

[rapid bronze]

DFC is super easy what are you all talking about

[balmy kindle]

easy but kinda a chore

[olive night]

first pull in DFC is kinda rippy, rest of the dungeon is cake

[dire hinge]

Sacbrood is outperformed pretty quickly by many trinkets once you get them higher ilvl 🤔

[rapid bronze]

isn't funhouse lens the only decent trinket from delves?

[gilded basin]

remnant of darkness is ass, big red button is ass , rookery trinket is ass

list goes on ...

[dire hinge]

both Mechano-Core Amplifier and Suspicious Energy Drink are very strong

[tall flare]

no

^

[rapid bronze]

I got signet so I wasn't sure I should bother farming them

[olive night]

Suspicious Energy Drink is actually really good tbh

[tall flare]

Signet sucks

so u defo should

[rapid bronze]

how do you farm it? just keep doing delves and hope for a hero version?

[balmy kindle]

yes but u can luck out and get fat mechano / funhouse or drink

[tall flare]

Suspicious + Mechano core sims best for me in anything under 5mins as fury

not 100% sure about Arms

[balmy kindle]

Yes farm weekly bounty and pray

[dire hinge]

Vault/Delver's Bounty yeah

[gilded basin]

yeah and if youre unlucky the only farmable trinkets are turbo shit except for charge

[olive night]

Suspicious + Lens sims the best for me pretty much any other trinket that isnt myth track right now

kinda crazy

[rapid bronze]

I got it in vault but it was competing for a myth track seaforium pacemaker

so fuck that

[balmy kindle]

i got a 665 mechano here and its crazy

[gilded basin]

im sitting on 632 adventure mechano and i cant even farm it because no keys and bounti map yielded another ring xd

[dire hinge]

even this thing out performs sacbrood

[gilded basin]

its literally bis are you stupid

[balmy kindle]

lol know how you feel, i was stuck with that too

[gilded basin]

i already said compared to most dungeon trinkets

[dire hinge]

We can ease up on the name calling, thank you for helping me understand, i missed that part

jesus

[balmy kindle]

mechano is so good it doesnt feel real

but yeah the dungeon trinks and raid trinks mostly are kinda dog water

[rapid bronze]

do you have to do specific delves or it can come from any delver's bounty?

[shadow ibex]

any delve

[balmy kindle]

it can come from any

[shadow ibex]

idk whats up with this remnant it had like 98% uptime

[gilded basin]

i just dont see why blizzard doesnt instantly hotfixes the trinkets ... like some are so underwhelming even on max ilvl

didnt play a single season which was that bad on trinket balancing

[tall flare]

Dungeon trinkets are dog this season

apart from that tank one from Priory

[shadow ibex]

you dont wanna ride a bee into the sunset

[balmy kindle]

tbf, the best trinks are often passive with high proc rates on secondary stat buffs

cough dice , sacbrood etc

[rapid bronze]

why is signet considered ass?

[shadow ibex]

because its 2mins

[rapid bronze]

ah

[shadow ibex]

on a 90 sec class

the only 90 second dung is the fuckin bee shit

[dire hinge]

Signet also doesn't perform all that well in Single Target, it's what like our 16th best or something

[shadow ibex]

i wish they would just hotfix it to get stung by a bee increasing X stat by whatever the fuck

[balmy kindle]

mfw my bm guild mate tells me signet is BIS for him

[shadow ibex]

so we had an actual good 90 sec CD trinket

[celest magnet]

I picked Remnant on myth from vault because I believe blizzard will save me

[shadow ibex]

idk why they decided we need both gear grinder launching a trike and bee thing riding a bee into shit to do dam

[minor gust]

Never said it was hard just annoying all the bosses and trash sucks to play. Nothin fun or exciting about that dungeon.

[shadow ibex]

and kujo for another 2 min dmg trinket

and big red for another

yaaaaaaaay

[gilded basin]

guys quick question is prestacking with dummies worth on raid?

[minor gust]

Most buffs do not stay when you enter raid combat to prevent that type of play

[gilded basin]

alright

[fresh spire]

Signet isn't bad as fury.

Just not that good for arms

[maiden notch]

What is the timer for priory ?

To time it?

30min?

[dire hinge]

i think it just changed, one sec

32:30 as of yesterday, was 31min previously

[maiden notch]

Ok

Ty

[dire hinge]

of course!

[knotty creek]

In m+ when using Demolish how are we supposed to angle it cause sometimes it hits like a noodle for me and sometimes it hits for giga damage

[noble oxide]

You’ve gotta make sure your target doesn’t run out of range during the channel I’ve found

[knotty creek]

yea that ive noticed too

[dire hinge]

you can follow them with Heroic Leap

doesn't interrupt cast

[narrow flax]

ayyy

[dire hinge]

that's been a big complaint with Demolish, generally speaking. Picking something in the middle of the pack is safest, since outlier mobs can angle your Demo to hit only half the pack if they're at a bad angle. You can't always control it.

Part of it is mob knowledge (ie: dont cast it on a jumping mob that will zip out to ranged soon), but part of is just the nature of Demolish being targeted, instead of aimable (like Cleave)

[visual fern]

Dude the forced camera turn on demolish...

[dire hinge]

it's so annoying

[visual fern]

Got me killed in floodgate a couple times

[flat willow]

Hope they bring back the legendary axe for Season 3

[dire hinge]

i love Demolish, but please make it more like Fists of Fury

[flat willow]

So we can have lots of shitty casts

[knotty creek]

So its like a cone infront of you

?

[dire hinge]

it's a frontal yeah, i dont remember if it's a square or triangle

well, the final hit is*

[knotty creek]

Just need to focus on trying to hit middle of pack then

[dire hinge]

the first two are sweepable, targetable hits

[knotty creek]

cause idk its up and down

sometimes it does a shit ton

sometiems nothing

[dire hinge]

Avatar/WB and crit play into it a bit of that variance as well

[rapid bronze]

ok first delve champion amplifier and a map let's go

[minor gust]

Crit vs no Crit will play a large roll in this aswell.

[visual fern]

My alts map run gave me heroic funhouse and champ amp

Why couldnt it have been reversed

[minor gust]

Just don't do delves Garms and pretend those trinkets don't exist!

[visual fern]

Easier to pretend heroic house and kezan dont exist

[minor gust]

Just get those on mythic with your cool Dinar coins

Easy peasy

[knotty creek]

yea very true

[visual fern]

Dinar reserved for mythic bis + jastor

[prime bramble]

Got amp from weekly

Not hero but I'll take it

[minor gust]

I'm just gonna loot mythic Bis and Jastor on our first kill cuz I'm just that good at this game

[visual fern]

[minor gust]

[smoky kayak]

at the same time, from the same boss, on the same kill

in a delve

[minor gust]

No not a delve nooooooooooo!

[dawn cedar]

yo guys .. quick question

[smoky kayak]

thanks for the lead up

[prime bramble]

The suspense

[smoky kayak]

[dawn cedar]

for m+ ... should i get mechano core amplifier even on champion track ... or eye of kezan on hero track is better ?

[smoky kayak]

well you have 4+ chances at champion Mechano a week, vs at most 1 chance of H Eye a week

so which one do you think you'll have an easier time finding again?

[dawn cedar]

i got H eye of kezan ... but dont have the mechano

[visual fern]

Well kezan in m+

Without a really good tank to keep stacks up

Kinda

[smoky kayak]

honestly I don't feel like the stacks are that bad, but maybe my tanks pull fast

[minor gust]

Is beans in m+ without frequent chaining

[visual fern]

Its basically this tiers smolderon trinket

[prime bramble]

Higher keys probably in combat longer too which probably helps

[minor gust]

Might be worse than smolderon trinket from S3 Df

[smoky kayak]

idk, Smolderon felt more difficult to maintain, but yeah they're pretty comparable

[minor gust]

It says it decays rapidly out of combat I don't have one so idk how long the buff stays

[smoky kayak]

iirc you lose 1 stack every ~2s, all stacks after 15s

[dawn cedar]

so .. it decays 1 stack per 3s or smth

ye .. 2-3s

[minor gust]

Yeah smoldy trinket was better than

[smoky kayak]

something like that yeah, it's not terrible unless you have actual downtime between pulls

[minor gust]

It didn't lose stacks it just fell off after 20 sec

[prime bramble]

I wish there were better on use trinkets for keys this season for us

Missing my skarm shard

[smoky kayak]

Smolderon was 15s, but it also did next to nothing unless you were at max stacks though

[dawn cedar]

so ... I should get the mechano or house of cards

and if i get a tank that pulls fast ... switch to eye of kezan

[prime bramble]

Simming won't hurt

1T, 5T, dungeon slice, etc

[smoky kayak]

you realize earlier you said mechano or eye, now you're saying mecho or house

[dawn cedar]

yes ... but I guess even house of cards would be better than eye of kezan ... or it works the same as eye ?

[smoky kayak]

House of Cards works completely different from Eye of Kezan

at any rate, your answer is the same - sim to find the differences, decide which you have a better chance of seeing again, and make the best decision for whatever it is you wanna do

[naive breach]

[smoky kayak]

rarely can anyone just give you a 100% answer, because it's all contextual depending on what kind of content you do or are interested in doing

[upper pumice]

does anybody know when the cap for the gilded crests will be removed?

[smoky kayak]

probably won't be, but it's a rolling cap increased by 90 each week, so there's a built-in catch up mechanic

[upper pumice]

kk i see ty

[smoky kayak]

the cap is there to keep degens from farming 400 M+ in the first week to get a season's worth of crests and never thinking about upgrades again

[fading isle]

Guys whats the minimum overall you're doing

I feel like i'm really bad

[boreal quartz]

Like 2 Mil in dogshit awful wipespam keys

[dire hinge]

im still pretty undergeared but my floor is around lower 2M

[fading isle]

I'm 658, have 678 mythic weapon and still doing mid 2.5m to 3m if no deaths

Or around 2M wiping

[lean geode]

In what keys

In TOP that's pretty decent

In priory or cinderbrew less so

[boreal quartz]

Also depends on pulls

[fading isle]

Ok for ML, 2.5M it's okay, ToP 2.4M, but then cinderbrew... like 3.3M ish

[lean geode]

2.5m in ML is a bit low imo but yeah like Phil said depends on pulls

If tank pulls one pack at a time up to the first boss you're kinda down bad

[smoky kayak]

0, but I afk a lot

[lean geode]

Caveat to what I said, those are well above what you'd need to time 10s and stuff; if you don't care about pushing very high keys then that's fine. I've timed loads of 10s this season with people doing ~2m overall

[rapid bronze]

can you use the wave scrambler thing in a delve more than once a week?

[smoky kayak]

nope

[rapid bronze]

unfortunate, they throw you a curveball with that 1 hr cd

not sure why it exists

[smoky kayak]

to give you an avenue for a guaranteed map/heroic piece each week

instead of the RNG fest that was last season

[rapid bronze]

no I mean why the 1 hr cd exists if it's not usable more than once a week

like if you have 2 in your bags and you use one it shows it has a 1 hr cd which makes it seem like you can use the second one that same week

[smoky kayak]

probably to prevent some kind of exploit

[tall flare]

is slayers strike just rng or can we kinda game it

[sacred zodiac]

rng

[lean geode]

You can "game" it by getting more haste 🙂

[tall flare]

ye was thinking haste + use rampage more

can each strike of rampage trigger it?

[smoky kayak]

no, its on cast

[hexed snow]

Anyone has simc of the craftable items?

[tall flare]

Oky thanks

[shadow ibex]

whenever ravager resets MS with unhinged i think of how cool a ravager hero spec could be with it copying attacks

[smoky kayak]

that would be cool, and maybe you can spawn phantom weapons with some of your special attacks

like Warbreaker

[lean geode]

Sort of a last epoch echo void knight type thing where you can proc a clone to duplicate your attacks and some are guaranteed would go kinda hard but also isn't that basically just ele shaman mastery

[flat willow]

Thats called blademaster mirror image

How cool would that be if ravager was playable with slayer and instead of a weapon dropping on the ground ravager would spawn a mirror image of yourself casting bladestorm

[slow saddle]

Just let me play ravager. The end

[smoky kayak]

you already can!

[slow saddle]

With benefits of bladestorm

[flat willow]

It's also the first mastery of arms in cataclysm

Well except it was a fix amount of damage and not a second mortal strike

[shadow ibex]

ravager popping EP and resetting MS with unhinged and EB is tech

[mild dagger]

Looking for Eye of Kezan feedback before I take my vault. Is it really as good as the tier lists have it? Mine would only be a champion version and my sim has it at just a .1% dps increase from my current champion funhouse lens. I can instead get a heroic Funhouse Lens which is siming higher but not sure about missing my chance at the eye.

[olive nest]

My 2cents is eye is only good for extended fights and it also requires you to not die the entire fight to get the most value
I’d personally go hero funhouse lens

[rare kite]

slayer ravager is a thing

[slow saddle]

I know. Id just wish it got the benefits of bladestorm

Cdr

[smoky kayak]

funhouse is actually a really good trinket (though less good if you have slots), but it's also on a limited upgrade track

[mild dagger]

So safe to take a heroic funhouse over a champion eye and not feel like a total idiot? Thats where I was leaning

[olive nest]

I’d agree with that pick

[smoky kayak]

that's up to you; what kind of content you do, how likely you feel you are to get access to another one of those trinkets, etc

[pearl mantle]

which trinket are best for arms for this combination(for m+) : Improvised Seaforium Pacemaker/Mechano-Core Amplifier/Funhouse Lens?

[smoky kayak]

a N mode Eye is not that big though, no

[prime bramble]

Lens is pretty dope

When they release dinar would be cool to have an upgrade system to make certain delve items myth track

[elfin kindle]

I've got heroic BIS and i'm unsure if i should craft the wep or wait for a mythic wep to drop from either 4/8mythic (getting it this week) or vault

[dry summit]

Eye only sims better for me then 8 minutes btw before 8 minutes it doesnt

But i have mythic pacemaker and champion funlens

[fading isle]

3.54M Cinderbrew +10 +2

3.30M lowest dps

[dry summit]

It really depends on your tank pulling yeah but those are nice numbers.

how many cleave cast if i may ask? @fading isle

[fading isle]

Yeah I have a DH pulling and he was using his sigils very good

[stable junco]

Guys, i need your advice.

I have 15.7k (34%) crit, 12k (29%) mastery and 8.5k (15%) haste.
Raidbots droptimiser says i don't need much more haste, but archon/wowhead say i need much more haste instead of mastery.

Which service should i trust more?

[viscid compass]

The sim

[dry summit]

Always trust your sim more. since archon/wowhead just gives your bis profiles en doesnt take in account other items

[toxic socket]

Hc stix, are we going demolisher?

colossus*

[slow saddle]

Just play slayer st

[dry summit]

You can go both. i see some people going collusus on logs

and some people go slayer

[toxic socket]

or just play fury and win kinda thing? xD

[opal citrus]

For simming Mythic +, do we do TD - 7 bosses - 40 secs?

[tender pecan]

If you dont have people rolling over the hyenas you can pad like crazy with colossus if they hit them F

[slow saddle]

Just sim st. And take trinkets that are good in aoe

[solemn radish]

Why does simc uses sweeping strikes on ST?

[opal citrus]

I'm trying to compare trinkets together, one being Torq's Big Red Button

[dim basalt]

Small bug in the APL, doesnt affect anything tho

[smoky kayak]

it doesn't

[obtuse socket]

qmW W

[narrow flax]

they ever fixing this?

or is this a just me thing ?

[quasi torrent]

nah

[strange perch]

do you execute or slam when you have nothing left?

even when execute conditions are not met?

[quasi torrent]

u exe buddy

[strange perch]

this doesnt show raw exe above slam hence the question

[strange perch]

guess thats missing on the wowhead guide then

[quasi torrent]

id imagine it doesnt really matter

as u can see this sim did it 0 times

(the random sequence its displaying)

[strange perch]

i feel like i get that quite often though

ms on cd and no overpowers

[olive nest]

If you’re above 35%: slam, if below: execute. Assuming that situation SD conditions are not met

[sacred zodiac]

what do you mean the execute conditions arent met

are you playing a scuffed colossus m+ build

[strange perch]

no i mean no 2 sd stacks

jugg not running out

and the other one i forgor

[sacred zodiac]

then you just sit on execute

until an execute conditional hits

[strange perch]

so in the case of only exe being available and slam, then you'd just slam until you trigger one of the conditions ye?

ok gucci

that was my question

[sacred zodiac]

yes juggernaut is very strong and you want to maintain it

[teal fossil]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/933386399279878154/991343673419763753/caption.gif

[olive nest]

[smoky kayak]

Ok, but how often are you playing Slayer ST without Juggernaut?

[rich ridge]

Should I craft bracers and cape or 2h weapon? I currently have 655 crit/haste weapon from raid

[latent moss]

blord fatality slayer secret tech

[smoky kayak]

the reason it's not included in the guide is because it's superfluous - you're practically never playing that way

the sim needs these things because it's a robot that needs to account for various fringe situations in order to properly compare them (e.g. you would never talent Bladestorm as Colossus, but the sim needs to know how to in order to qualify how bad it is), but putting a bunch of extra stuff that you never actually do into a guide just fills it with pointless bloat and ultimately makes it harder for a real person to parse

[vernal dome]

Probably a dumb question, but i’m curious to how much of a dps increase i should expect switching from old to new 4set in m+. Does it play well in dungeons?

[quasi torrent]

guys its so op

[spring rune]

On rik reverb, think you'll get more dmg by sending BS on CD or lining it up with the little add spawns?

[smoky kayak]

send the first on pull, then align the rest

[spring rune]

danke

[strange perch]

nah thats not what i meant

i run jugg i just meant what to press when you only have an SD proc for example but dont meet any conditionals

[smoky kayak]

the second may not come up on time, depending on exactly how lucky you get w/ CDR, just go ahead and send it as well

[strange perch]

so i wondered if you slammed

or pressed the exe

turns out you slam

so the prio is correct and i was mistaken

[shadow ibex]

CS hit hard

[spring rune]

Hah yeah I feel like I did that once and then barely had any line up.

[smoky kayak]

yes, but I was refering to that Execute if !Juggernaut picture, to which your response was "that's missing on the guide" - it's not missing, it's just not something you ever really need to do

[strange perch]

i was on about something else dw

[smoky kayak]

and yeah, with Juggernaut talented, you're basically only using Execute >35% under the 3 main SD conditions

• apply/extend Juggernaut
• spend SD before it overcaps or falls
• consume 3x mark

which, thankfully, there's a weakaura for so we don't have to keep track of

[strange perch]

yeah idk i hear kaching i press

[smoky kayak]

we love a good kaching around here

[spring rune]

ooh, missing that one. downloading now lol

[smoky kayak]

#1237307732705415228

[vernal dome]

My Juggernaut falls off due to lack of procs and i’m lucky if i hit 5 stacks. Is this normal, or is it a stat thing?

Not in execute phase obv

[smoky kayak]

it's an RNG thing, again use the WA to help game it

[vernal dome]

Roger

[olive nest]

I haven’t used the WA for arms yet just curious does it still function in execute when you are casting execute so much anyway?

[quasi torrent]

warbreaker uncap !!===))) 2% overall !!

[shadow ibex]

wrong

warbringer

[rich ridge]

Link to this WA?

[shadow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/luntry-luntryifunny-luntryy-gif-26563187

[smoky kayak]

scroll up

[rich ridge]

Nvm I’m blind

[rotund ferry]

Is there such a thing as too much crit for arms? Currently sitting on 42%

[olive nest]

Not if your sim is telling you to equip that much

[robust ridge]

If sims indicate you have too much, yeh; otherwise no

Robot does all the hard work for you

[teal fossil]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/933386399279878154/991343673419763753/caption.gif

[mild sierra]

260 ilvl

big noob

[shadow ibex]

and other such classics such as

[rotund ferry]

I've only ever simmed for gear on raidbots, is there a specific area to weigh my stats that I am missing?

[shadow ibex]

whe ndo i send demo

[robust ridge]

Just use the topgear function friend - if you have some pieces with alternate / different stats, throw them in to the sim and it will tell you if you should switch

[solar stump]

Quick noob question: Do MS procs from Unhinged benefit from Cleave?

[dim basalt]

You mean Sweeping Strikes? no

[solar stump]

Oh sorry, yes of course Sweeping Strikes, thank you

[compact lantern]

Why this keep simming higer then a House of Cards 658 (Champion 8/8)
Idk if raidbots is overvaluing haste, but it wins over every other trinket I have.

[zealous pivot]

do people take imp sweep on cauldron?

[sacred zodiac]

u simming aoe or st

[spring rune]

When the fight in the middle you can hit both

[sacred zodiac]

ye sweep makes it last for the full clash

very good

[quasi torrent]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/iYZR4DRtrP5XzmfmFUaKRD

2477177

[zealous pivot]

what do you drop tho

[sacred zodiac]

idk check what ppl dropped for it on wclogs

its probs bloodborne

[zealous pivot]

thats what i was lazily hoping to find out here xd

[daring heron]

i dropped bloodborne for imp sweep on cauldron

[fresh spire]

^

execute clash goes hard

[rich ridge]

How can I do 4million overall like u @daring heron lol

I’m probably not using the right talents for m+

[eager sigil]

have a tank pull big

[spark wadi]

I almost cried when I saw your ban vid Crit. Can't take seeing a warr brother rattled like that

[wise mauve]

Am shit at arms, someone explain: during Execute phase, am I just spamming execute or am I trying to fit in some mortal strikes as well?

[lethal path]

ya there's some mortal strikes in execute phase

whenever you have 2 stacks of executioner's precision

[wise mauve]

k thx

[hexed snow]

Valid that sim wants me to mix and match between Dawnthread and Duskthread atm?

or have I overcooked with simming

Or should I not even pick boots to craft 🤔

[eager sigil]

why not

alot more stats than bracers or cloak

i did boots and belt

[hexed snow]

Ah just reading the Wowhead mostly that got me worried :P

But yes, they do give more stat

[eager sigil]

wowhead is assuming the long game

if you got myth in all slots

you got cloak/wrists

but you dont have that

so sending 60 crests into wrists is kinda shit

[hexed snow]

mmmm that is good interpreation

thanks man!

[wise mauve]

So where would you be sending 60 crests into? I made the cloak first, as per wowhead

[brittle fiber]

my ravager WA timing isn't lining up properly since reset. It shows it off cooldown but when i press it, it still won't go off for a few seconds. i'm using khakhan's wa and haven't changed anything aside from positioning. does anyone know how i could fix this?

[solar nest]

I’m having the same issue as well

Not using that WA pack either

[grand idol]

I think you might see that it has variations hidden and if you un-hide them there would be crit/crit and vers/vers combos that sim within error.

But on that particular sim that combo lucked out to produce the highest number.

[tulip rose]

what settings should i put in raidbots to sim for M+?

[lean geode]

1t 5m and 5t 5m

[tacit crystal]

help im eepy and i hve raid in 1 hour

[lean geode]

Sounds like a coffee problem

[tacit crystal]

never had coffee in my life sir

[lean geode]

Big coffee enjoyer here

Drinking some rn actually

[minor gust]

never had coffee before wtf

[lean geode]

Maybe bro is like 14

[minor gust]

Ice coffee owns

[lean geode]

You never know

[tacit crystal]

20

the most ive had is shots of cuban coffee

like maybe 4 max

[shadow ibex]

Drink pre-workout

Fuck coffee

[minor gust]

C4

🤤

[tacit crystal]

elsa from re zero

[lean geode]

Not really a PWO enjoyer but I also train after work so slamming 200mg caffeine at 5pm is villainous behavior

[shadow ibex]

200 is light weight

[minor gust]

big booba vampire mommy

[shadow ibex]

I got some shit that will make you wanna fight security guards

[tacit crystal]

i agree

[flat willow]

Elsa when echidna exists, smh

[tacit crystal]

elsa could ruin me more

[mortal rivet]

i always thought aoe was 5t 1m, does 5t 5m give a bette representation?

[lean geode]

depends

If you have lust selected then any 1m sim is gonna be fucked

[latent moss]

hi 75oig

[minor gust]

F I had a rank 1 on cauldron but last clash became vietnam and I died cuz im bad

[manic pasture]

When do I replace cryce ring?

[minor gust]

when another ring sims higher than it

[copper pawn]

Best talent for m+? Idk to play fury ir arms Some feedback?

[minor gust]

you can play whichever one you enjoy more both are good and have their own strengths

[bold granite]

man Stix is such a dogshit fight

[stark cape]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/hRgveMUN6dkqVDDMM6dV8D

My Sim is telling me to take off the Siren Isle ring

Cyrce's Circlet

[tacit crystal]

then listen to the robot

[charred brook]

Wouldn’t trust dungeon slice

Run a 5 bosses 5 mins sim, or even 8 bosses 5 mins sim

Dungeon slice afaik is not updated often at all and is not really considered useful by most

[teal fossil]

Handling dungeon scenario through an APL is a lot of work

Dungeon slice itself is cool though

It gets you 90% of the way there for 30% of computing time

[minor gust]

I just find it easier to compare a ST sim vs AOE and decide what I want from there

[elfin kindle]

Anyone know if you can craft s1 items or smth just for embelishment?

[vale gorge]

DS is pretty close to a medium- run in pu

[obsidian acorn]

having a hard time gaming this 4 set, doesn't make much sense and I have a WA, but don't fully understand it yet

[dire hinge]

there's no need to game the 4set, it's not considered at all in the sims

no need for an aura, or to play around it, just follow rotation

by design, all of the tier bonuses are subject to RNG (goblin gambling fantasy)

[obsidian acorn]

thanks

[bleak fog]

2 (639 S1)+2 (658 s2) over 4-set s1... Sim tell me to should I trust or does it fool me? 🙂

For M+

[visual fern]

Gl remembering all those conditions though with how little we play arms rn if you maining fury for raid

[dim basalt]

Not hard to remember when Fury is as easy as it is

[brittle fiber]

Anyone tried running shatt throw for rookery?

Is it still too stinky of a talent

[minor gust]

wrecking and shattering throw were never buffed from DF to TWW so they are dead abillities like IP

[visual fern]

Super niche arms condition

I do similar thing in keys to try and highroll for cleave spam

🧑‍🍳

[brittle fiber]

imagine being sexy shield shattering class again ahaaaaaaaaa........

Arch if you're reading this i have one more favour to ask

[minor gust]

Wrecking throw on Raz went hard

[brittle fiber]

2nd boss has shat throw in too right? terros

[empty sluice]

Yea but it does the same dmg since then 🤣

[bleak fog]

Are we baned from brew? 🙂

Done 9++ (slowstarter) but cant get into a +6 even to rise my IO 😄

[astral yarrow]

non-meta pug dps life in keys is horrible if you arent ahead of the score curve

[bleak fog]

Yeah

[astral yarrow]

so basically reroll to monk or suck it up

or tank

[bleak fog]

Was 1 week late into this season duo vacation..

[astral yarrow]

i guess

[bleak fog]

Monk?

Meta?

[astral yarrow]

meta comp prolly gonna be some combination of enh/monk/lock/mage unless monk/mage gets shot

[bleak fog]

I have mained/alt WW since a few years but never looked on it for S2

Time to gear it upp then 😛

[astral yarrow]

meta only really gonna lock in when the HoF guilds finish out the tier and meta rerolls start

[thick kelp]

prolly not even then

[bleak fog]

I have seen WW blast in raids, but not played with many in M+

[thick kelp]

meta lock in probably when .5 comes out

[astral yarrow]

it comes in waves i feel, but its mostly figured out when HoF guilds start just doing farm

then maybe shakeup with .5 changes

[tacit crystal]

hi help

please

please

please

[thick kelp]

hi

[tacit crystal]

is cyclone a pvp only ability for druids

urgent

[thick kelp]

non

[tacit crystal]

grazi

[thick kelp]

Choice node with soothe in class tree

[balmy kindle]

Prot is the way

Just get 650 ish and run it down in keys

[visual fern]

Mage boomie dk rn

For china

[astral yarrow]

boomie is sus, but unless rdruid owns i get it

dk is not ok

had our dk do almost 7m overall in rookery

[thick kelp]

bm hunter is up there too

from what I see

[balmy kindle]

Unholy DK does a ton of damage as usual but it's mostly sarlyn being overtuned

Blood beast doing absurd levels of damage

[minor gust]

the avg player still super sleeping on UH

[lapis geode]

how much crit and haste is enough?

[fluid chasm]

and demo lock

[balmy kindle]

Understandable, saryln was terrible last season

Also the current unholy m+ playstyle is pretty cursed, it's just disease and vamp strike

[tacit crystal]

early on

[balmy kindle]

I took a break after siren isles

[tough gulch]

Same Problem here

[hexed snow]

My luck with necklaces on dfc and brew is insane

Are they intentionally making those items 0.01% drop rate so we craft

[open ingot]

The WA baits me into pressing it everytime

[lofty elm]

Does SS cleave around the target or the player?

[fresh spire]

Ss hits around player

You can have a target in front and behind and sweep will hit the behind target

[lofty elm]

I see, opposite of how IW works then afaik

so for Cauldron you actually need to be in between the bosses

[astral yarrow]

View it as it hitting an extra target, prioritizing anything closest to you that is not your main target

Pretty sure you can almost stand underneath either boss and still have sweep hit the other since their hitboxes are so large, but theres some fucky wucky with whether it checks edge of hitbox or center

[dim basalt]

Yeah they have large hitboxes but its still best if you stand inbetween to make sure you hit both

Not really stressful to do, I do that on mythic still

[minor gust]

can just think of cauldron like a vendiagram you wanna be anywhere in that middle area to hit both

[astral yarrow]

obviously, cause thats the place with best visibility lol

[dim basalt]

Dunno about that

Unless youre talking about a different inbetween

[astral yarrow]

how many ways do you feel "inbetween" can be interpreted

[dim basalt]

In front of both or inbetween them on their sides

[astral yarrow]

what

[dim basalt]

I do this

[astral yarrow]

which is inbetween

having you further up would still be inbetween

further down is the same

[dim basalt]

Id also count this as inbetween

But me no native speaker

[astral yarrow]

neither am i

just a dumb dane

[dim basalt]

Guess Im a true warrior now

But the latter is easier because of the clash effects

[minor gust]

hit thing with stick transcends all language

[astral yarrow]

i just waddle around inbewteen them depending on how bad waves and circles is where i am

this whole area is inbetween

[quasi torrent]

think u should've drawn another circle on top

[astral yarrow]

i cba using anything but win+shift+s

not getting snipping tool out

[misty yew]

Grim Codex benefit from WB and Avatar?

Or can I just send on CD without enhancers?

Just want to know when to use on opener

I usually send avatar and ravager - charge TC - DR - WB

Then cleave prio during ravager buff with OP stacks as necesary

[remote ledge]

Try it on a target dummy

[halcyon breach]

It doesn't

Damage trinkets in general aren't affected by class cooldowns

[halcyon breach]

Noob

[naive sage]

More than not, damage dealing trinkets are bad for us, but good for versatility specs, aren’t they

[finite kernel]

I figured I'd ask cause I am not entirely sure if this would be the play. I got a hero track head with a socket. That would normally be offpiece with the raid head, but I still do not have 4p.

I could catalyse this head and go for chest offpiece from cinderbrew which is haste>crit instead. I simmed this and it seems to be a better option by a small margin (0.4%) on my current setup

Is the choice for vexie's head exclusively for crit>haste on the offpiece or is there something else that I am missing

[tacit crystal]

4p will be better short term

and getting 4p with good offpiece isnt reliable lol

short term

[finite kernel]

I think the offpiece is pretty realistic in this case since it's from the first boss in the raid tbf

[tacit crystal]

how long sre you willing to wait for 10% damage

[finite kernel]

But I agree with that, I wanna prio getting the 4p more than anything and this socketed helm seems to be a decent option

[tacit crystal]

because realisitcally you are griefing your raid by not getting it by week 3 or 5

5 assuming you got 0 tier

3 getting 1

[finite kernel]

Well I am making a case for catalysing this with my original question, I am just unsure if there was something else to consider other than the theoretical bis having slightyl better haste/crit distribution is all

[tacit crystal]

not that i can think of

[shadow ibex]

I wouldn't avoid getting tier because it's an off piece yea. That's a decision you start making when vaults don't matter

I looted socket helm day one and sent cata to complete 2 piece cuz no way to replace a socket helm in early prog

[astral yarrow]

its actually my middle name

[halcyon breach]

Double a noob gaard

[astral yarrow]

full name Aagaard Noob Noob

[swift crown]

Danes yapping

[halcyon breach]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/711337973274378270/1351661979298697226/ezgif-12920d43fa19c4.gif

[swift crown]

What the fuck

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/902189324341227562/1159400823575543808/3dgifmaker27614.gif

[dense nimbus]

hey everyone.

was siming my self once again and even though im sitting on 30% haste and crit the sims are suggesting more mastery as gain

usually haste and crit had high values but currently its like the value of 3 stats is the same

am i missing smth here?

[minor gust]

no

[dense nimbus]

so basically mastery now has more value than the usual?

[dim basalt]

Mastery not being a prio stat doesnt mean its bad

[dense nimbus]

not saying that but tbh was expecting more on crit and haste before mastery coming up

[dim basalt]

The more you have of stat x the more value stat y gets, has been like that since forever

[minor gust]

Mastery has always had good value on arms

[dim basalt]

And 30% haste + crit isnt little

[minor gust]

its never been bad

as you get more haste and crit you will want more mastery

[dense nimbus]

never said it was bad mate 🙂

i see.

thanks

[minor gust]

I always say dont trap yourself overthinking about stats

[dense nimbus]

nah was just deciding on which dungeon to farm XD

[minor gust]

warrior likes em all so as we get more we want more of the others

[dim basalt]

My stats are lowkey cursed with 16.1k haste vs 12.8k crit vs 15k mastery

[dense nimbus]

ah and one last question. when will Cyrce circlet lose value?

[dim basalt]

When anything else sims better

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[dense nimbus]

nothing seems to top it tbh XD

[minor gust]

ppl see guides saying oh Haste Crit are the best arms stats but guides only say this because a lot of players refuse to sim and just want to be told what the best stats to go for

[dim basalt]

660+ rings can beat cyrces

[slow saddle]

i mean playin with low crit in dungeons

feels horrid

[minor gust]

should be beaten out by mythic rings but just keep simming as you get new rings will just depend on your character. Ik some people have already dropped it

[dense nimbus]

hmm

thanks

[slate schooner]

Yo kinda new to war, been enjoying both dps specs so far and i was wondering which of the 2 will be better when it comes to M+ pushing?

seems 50/50 for now

[dim basalt]

Arms better for almost every dungeon

[minor gust]

I hate playing with a low haste. I had a Crit vers neck sim really high in aoe but I refuse to use it because of how much haste I lose

[slow saddle]

i mean tbh

[minor gust]

personal preference still wins

[slow saddle]

low haste AND crit

is rough

[vapid pine]

Probably Arms if you only want to play one spec, but Fury will be better in low-target-count keys like top

[slate schooner]

There's definitly some bosses that have 2 target cleave or require some burst AoE, Arms been really good in those situations

[slow saddle]

if u have low crit demo NEVER alligns

[slate schooner]

i have very high crit and haste

bit of mastery

[minor gust]

theres just gonna be times in ST your demol misaligns ive just accepted that so doesnt really bother me

aoe there should never be a misalignment

no matter how much crit u got

[slate schooner]

don't worry i know, i ask cause i like both almost equaly :)

Sometimes Demo comes back quicker then warbreaker just gotta wait a little bit

but idm that

[exotic knot]

Is it normal to have nothing to press sometimes in ST in M+ or am I doing smth wrong

[astral yarrow]

slam

[slate schooner]

sorta true with the m+ spec, cause you don'T have the Execute procs

[minor gust]

sometimes you can run out of rage and op stacks it happens

[slow saddle]

Deffo happens in aoe as well whe i was sub 20% crit

[slate schooner]

so you slam when you can't do mortal strike or overpower

[barren void]

Is Arms rotation close to what it was back in Legion these days or is it very very different?

[minor gust]

especially without skyfury and or bloodsurge but its rare

[astral yarrow]

sort of similar

[exotic knot]

I could slam but hen I am at legit o rage and can press nothin even if its off cd

[astral yarrow]

although Opportunist is pretty cringe

[exotic knot]

so I have been avoiding slam tbh

[astral yarrow]

if you cant MS or Cleave if you slam, then you put you hands in your lap and wait

[slate schooner]

just be carefull not to slam to much, but i'm curious now , since i'm usualy caped in rage

[barren void]

@astral yarrow I like arms more than fury generally, might give it a try but most of my items are for fury unfortunately

[slate schooner]

but then again i play with a enhance

[barren void]

And since I just returned this week don't have much gear variance on me

[exotic knot]

I think I am lacking crit tbh, have been mainly gearing for fury

[astral yarrow]

arms does fine in fury gear, but you'll be somewhat ragestarved in some cases as colossus without a lot of crit

[barren void]

Are there any hard caps you gotta hit then?

Or are secondary stats mostly close in weighting?

[astral yarrow]

caps dont really exist anymore

[barren void]

I see

[dim basalt]

And havent existed for like 10 years by now

[barren void]

It existed in Legion for some classes

[minor gust]

uhm ahktually 100% crit is a hard cap

🤓

[astral yarrow]

legion is almost 10 years ago

fuck man im old

[slate schooner]

there is a point where you get diminishing returns be carefull, you'll hit some towards the end of this season

[barren void]

Aware

[astral yarrow]

you are hitting DR giga early

[barren void]

Ill give Arms a try today, the fury rotation feels really weird to me

Maybe the Arms one will make me feel at home again lol

[minor gust]

sims will take DR into account so its not something you will think about either

[astral yarrow]

fury optimally is very hard, but boil it down to rampage -> rb -> bt and youll do decent

[barren void]

Yeah I get the rotation now but it feels off to me, my muscle memory fights against it 😄

[astral yarrow]

gimme back furious slash!

[slate schooner]

yhea, on surface fury ain't to hard, but once you start tracking BT stacks, and shit it gets a bit harder, also rage gets hard to manage with enhance and a lot of haste 😕

[astral yarrow]

look at any guide and fury is pretty overwhelming with the amount of conditionals it has

[barren void]

The conditionals are all boiled down to two weak auras though really

[slate schooner]

bt gets prio in execute as well

ylala

[slate schooner]

yhea true

[dim basalt]

Tracking some BT stacks isnt really that hard tho

[astral yarrow]

the most important of them are put into BT and Execute WAs yes, but theres a lot more

slaughtering strikes is giga cringe

[dim basalt]

But ye you quickly waste a lot of rage

[slate schooner]

ho i play mountain thane, i only execute at 20%

[gray herald]

i play mountain thane, i press 2 executes per dungeon

[astral yarrow]

you dont even execute at 20% unless basically anything else is available

[slate schooner]

ho i didn't know

[hexed snow]

Thought I was in #fury

[rare kite]

that's pretty high