but ring and amy
#arms
placid raft
but not fury with arms stats
because of mastery being shit for arms?
minor gust
I would grind for some haste jewelry both arms and fury unfun to play without high haste
edgy hemlock
no bcz of crit
minor gust
Mastery is good for arms
edgy hemlock
arms wants crit
fury hates crit
i would prio vers over crit for fury
its liike
the last stat u want
placid raft
ok so i need 2 gear sets hehe
edgy hemlock
u should have 2 loadouts later on yes
rn just use your fury gear
and gear up
no need to worry about anything
quaint otter
but not fury with arms stats
a cap
edgy hemlock
wut
minor gust
Don't think to hard about secondary stats. People over value them way to much
minor gust
They actually contribute very little to your overall dmg.
edgy hemlock
because of crit
quaint otter
its not giga optimal but u cant say its not playable lol
edgy hemlock
i mean yeah
i could have worded that btter
u right
didnt mean that its unplayable
just not optimal
minor gust
Not even giga optimal it's probably less than 2% difference.
quaint otter
st maybe
minor gust
The most gear swapping you need to do as warrior is rings and neck
The rest doesn't matter what stats are on it
grand idol
So many slots are locked here in recent history as well. It isnt like you have that much choice on stats anyway
A ring, a neck and maybe a trinket.
minor gust
Still see so many people who think because they crafted items with haste mastery that means they physically can't play arms at all
edgy hemlock
Still see so many people who think because they crafted items with haste mastery...
wait theres actually people thinking that
aint no way
minor gust
Many
People commonly overestimate how much secondary stats actually effect your character
quaint otter
People commonly overestimate how much secondary stats actually effect your chara...
depends on spec but yeah
minor gust
well yeah were blessed as warrior and all stats are good
some specs absolutely hate a certain stat
edgy hemlock
outlaw rogue ๐
edgy hemlock
rogue in general
actually what does ass rogue want
i think it also wants low haste right
or am i wrong
minor gust
no clue I dont play rogue and if I do its only outlaw cuz thats the only fun rogue spec imo
lean geode
Poison bomb go brrr
smoky berry
yo! Just ignor me if this is to edgy to ask about, but is there anyone that have time to take a quick look, to see if i am doing something wrong in my rotation on this hc one armed bandit? https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/nMThPQFav4GprBdk?fight=4&type=damage-done&source=8
Ignore my low skill lvl on maintaining the coin buff T_T
lean geode
There's a channel for log reviews #1347646810457636974
Check your log on wowanalyzer, check other logs and reviews there, read and re-read the guides, and post there if you have specific questions
smoky berry
There's a channel for log reviews <#1347646810457636974>
ah sory mb, thx!
quaint otter
actually what does ass rogue want
mastery haste
dense vector
this solid for cinderbrew 10?
lean geode
ah sory mb, thx!
Not sure if you posted before I sent this #arms message but I'd recommend checking out those resources. "What am I doing wrong" is a question with theoretically infinite answers, and is extremely difficult for someone else reviewing your log to comprehensively answer
minor gust
overalls dont really mean or tell you much but you should be way over 3 mil in cinderbrew
lean geode
The process of investigating and generating specific questions to ask will often lead you to the answer itself, and will make you a better player with a better understanding of your spec overall
dense vector
overalls dont really mean or tell you much but you should be way over 3 mil in c...
even with just a 658 weapon?
minor gust
even with just a 658 wep
smoky berry
The process of investigating and generating specific questions to ask will often...
True il look into it
minor gust
with shit trinkets to yes
dense vector
damn guess i stink
mighty bridge
3m is pretty easy to achieve in any 10 with shit weapon/trinks i think
lean geode
overalls dont really mean or tell you much but you should be way over 3 mil in c...
Went from like 3m to 3.7m overall in priory when I got my 4pc 
minor gust
lean geode
3m is pretty easy to achieve in any 10 with shit weapon/trinks i think
Depends on your tank and group I think
minor gust
I think I hate this 4pc more than I like it
lean geode
Good luck hitting 3m overall in top with a regular pug tank
quaint otter
even with just a 658 weapon?
i pulled like 2.8 in 639 gear 
lean geode
Who has the MS + SS vibe gif
minor gust
I get frustrated when I see ive been sitting at 10 stacks for awhile
mighty bridge
i mean saying it depends on your group is a given. given everyone isnt a troll and is decent then yes 3m is feasible. what ifs dont really matter
lean geode
"everyone isn't a troll and is decent" is the exception in pugs, not the rule
quaint otter
lean geode
I don't think I've seen a pug mage break 2m overall all season tbh
minor gust
overalls in general dont matter either
theres so much more to overall dmg numbers than just your dmg
so comparing doesnt make much sense
eager sigil
this solid for cinderbrew 10?
its alright but doesnt really say much
just depends on the pulls
hasty lava
anyone have a weak aura for collossal might?
eager sigil
use the premade weakaura feature 
proud rivet
doesit matter if i stack my demolish pre dung? or let me rephrase that does that matter to stack it to 10 in a pull or do i just slam it
reef glade
you would wanna try to stack to 10 and should be able to pretty fast with sweeping strikes
proud rivet
why is my avatar always desynced with my cds
proud rivet
so i just pop everything again till avtar comes again is okay?
eager sigil
just use shit when its ready
lean geode
That is not what they said
Send everything on cd for the most part, hold bs up to like 5 seconds to line up with CS, always hold ava to line up with CS (you can use it a few seconds before CS as long as your whole CS window is buffed)
In execute range, hold BS for CS with 2xEP
static scarab
Why is my sim saying amorphous relic over sigil of algari conc by like 40k
proud rivet
Send everything on cd for the most part, hold bs up to like 5 seconds to line up...
mind clarifying what cs stands for
static scarab
mind clarifying what cs stands for
colossus strike (warbreaker)
proud rivet
ooooooooo
lean geode
Why is my sim saying amorphous relic over sigil of algari conc by like 40k
It got buffed and your stats are probably weird
If sim says then listen to sim
eager sigil
also sigil is kinda shit
static scarab
still gonna sideeye the fuck outta that sim, but you're right they're both dog water
just gonna be over vibing in passive trinket heaven
half jolt
YO FATALITY STACKS, AGAIN?
did it not last season or am i tripping?
i remember it stacking in DF
up to 2
quaint otter
colossus strike (warbreaker)
warbringer
half jolt
but last season i m sure it didnt
static scarab
warbringer <a:chatting:1266019851743399996>
you're right i am wrong, i'm sorry
lean geode
Shame they soft capped that one last tier 
halcyon breach
YO FATALITY STACKS, AGAIN?
It has always stacked, well past 2
hollow plover
halcyon valve
up to 2
Huh?
Fatality should, during a boss fight, stack like 6 per minute or some shit, youll enter execute with roughly 20 stacks or so
Or are you referring to sudden death?
Because thats a bit more recent
nova marsh
Yeah because it was a point of feedback for the df s3 set
Because it was super annoying
half jolt
Guys idk where the confusion is coming from haha
not sudden death
fatal mark
ive tested it up[ to 3 stacks
halcyon breach
Right
And that has always stacked well past 2 stacks
If it was only 1-2 stacks, it'd be even more of a worthless talent than it is now
half jolt
are you thinking of juggernaught?
half jolt
oh okay i thought it capped out at 2 in DF and 3 in tww s2
halcyon breach
Of course not, the talent would be awful if that was the case
random ibex
if im not using ascendance embelishment, what two are people using? crit or vers?
halcyon breach
It'd do less damage than a single mortal strike
halcyon breach
if im not using ascendance embelishment, what two are people using? crit or vers...
Either one, doesn't really matter much
half jolt
for what i use it for a love the ability. So so happy its back ๐
halcyon breach
Well I'm happy for you then
half jolt
gosh the shackles and purgatory of last season are finally leaving us
random ibex
Either one, doesn't really matter much
follow up: whats the second piece we send our crafts on? i have hero track in cloak, feet, and belt. but in the long term whats the best piece
halcyon breach
Long term you'd want 2x threads on bracers and cloak, with either a mythic Best in Slots ideally, or myth track weapon
But I wouldn't worry too terribly much about crafting in the theoretical best slots right now, if you can gain a massive bonus now in crafting a thread on the belt or boots instead, or because you already have a myth track cloak but hero track of the rest
random ibex
But I wouldn't worry too terribly much about crafting in the theoretical best sl...
well currently i have hero track in all 3. haste/mastery cloak, haste/mastery belt (from raid), and crit/mastery boots
droptimizer has it as a side grade on all 3
halcyon breach
I'd do crafted gear sims in top gear instead of droptimiser, as it's easier to manage different crafting setups
I.e crafting a weapon and upgrading other things, or crafting wrist + cloak (or whatever other slots) on top of a new myth track weapon you might've gotten in the vault
random ibex
true
past marlin
equip new teir set at 2 or 4?
tacit crystal
ask the robot for your specific case
tight fractal
Where is overpower sitting in rotation for m+?
lean geode
Generally filler behind cleave and ms but ahead of slam
If you're playing dn it's higher but dn kinda stinky
half jolt
i can't believe slam is a thing
quaint otter
SLAMMIN
crude pollen
hey guys i have a question
I have enough gilded crests to craft a 675 item, Icy veins and Wowhead say cloak and wrists are priority. however i see incredible arms warriors craft the weapon first, what should i do? appreciate any response.
quaint otter
not a priority but its considered bis cuz u lose the least stats from not picking myth track one
can craft weapon if u dont get mythic one
lean geode
Yeah hold off on crafting til you open vault
tacit crystal
Yeah hold off on crafting til you open vault
come raid with swordish and i
lean geode
Also your mental couldn't handle getting windmill dunked on by both of us
(My mental couldn't handle getting windmill dunked on by him)
lean geode
we also raid 11-2
Man I got a job I can't be doing that shit
tacit crystal
cope you beat me
even swordish has bas pulls
ill let you in a on a secret he died most of gally pulls
lean geode
Link your nerubar palace logs bud
tacit crystal
tacit crystal
never got a reclear
- i was in guild with most racist gm imaginable who made game unplayable
new roster every week
aids
hollow plover
ill let you in a on a secret he died most of gally pulls
how
as warrior?
how
easiest fight oat
tacit crystal
died to small pixels while stacking on adds or something
dunno
we also only pulled boss like 10 times?
smoky kayak
follow up: whats the second piece we send our crafts on? i have hero track in cl...
if you made a weapon, you'll do writhing next
if you didn't, you'll make a second duskthread
random ibex
if you made a weapon, you'll do writhing next
if you didn't, you'll make a secon...
ya i ended up making a cloak
๐
smoky kayak
cloak/wrist are the standard, just because they're the lowest budget pieces and therefore lose the least amount of stats for being crafted @ 675 instead of 678
but boot or belt are good fillers if you happen to have a really good piece in those slots and are lacking in others; the overall difference is quite insignificant
random ibex
i gotta farm motherlode boots, but i got lucky just now and got floodgate belt
silk spade
ill let you in a on a secret he died most of gally pulls
consider buying a run
sudden fox
I wanna craft today but probably worth waiting to see if my vault is a myth track wep
rare kite
I wanna craft today but probably worth waiting to see if my vault is a myth trac...
unless you think it will make a difference in raid this week you should wait.
tacit crystal
consider buying a run
we killed bud
balmy kindle
I wanna craft today but probably worth waiting to see if my vault is a myth trac...
Just wait, back in DF I actually crafted weapon, only to get myth track in vault 
reef glade
ill let you in a on a secret he died most of gally pulls
Whatchu mean most
Was like 1 aside from the kill pull
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reef glade
tacit crystal
https://tenor.com/view/zzz-slap-zenless-zone-zero-nekomata-nekomiya-mana-gif-179...
keys with kezma soon surely
dense vector
cloak/wrist are the standard, just because they're the lowest budget pieces and ...
Yea I did cloak and boot because both of mine were still vet track while the rest was all at least hero
red oar
Anyone beat solo max difficulty nemesis as arms?
dense vector
I might try it this week if I get a myth weapon from vault
I think I did 1 pull on normal and didnโt know what to do with the bombs and died and was like Iโll do it later
minor gust
when cleave is already broken nah
minor gust
Need to buff aoe cds way more like BS and Demo
minor gust
Roar after getting repeated TW nerfs and BB nerfs
but im fine with that down with bleeds
boreal quartz
My glorious king lies in ruin
minor gust
remove that shit
boreal quartz
Removed the veins on his dih
dense vector
Bring back ToS arms
short dew
for the 4 set, do we gain 2% haste per stack or just 2% flat?
toxic socket
Does our rotation change at all in m+ with 4P? Or is it still Cleave MS OP
sudden fox
Does a craft not give you the free ugprade on another weapon now?
hollow plover
Does a craft not give you the free ugprade on another weapon now?
it does
sudden fox
Its asking me for runed crests lol
hollow plover
did u log out at all
sudden fox
did the trick ty
thick kelp
i do think arms could use a buff to cleaves base damage
nononononono
nononononono
no more cleave buffs
slow saddle
nononononono
i think we need a MS buff to base dmg
i just wanted to make an equally bad take
if anything id like to c roar buffed
and bladestorm to actually be good as slayer in both raid and keys
when Ravager sims within variance, or better, its a fuckin shit show, when hero talents are made for bladestorm
either let us play ravager and get the same reward as bladestorm, or make it actually do enough dmg to be worth
dim basalt
arms bs should be same duration as fury bs
^ that alone would do a lot already
hexed snow
Idk about you guys but I love taking a sip of my coffee while my character is spinning
weak wave
this solid for cinderbrew 10?
Where does this Layout come from? I like it ๐
dense vector
Where does this Layout come from? I like it ๐
Itโs an add on on curse forge that installs a skin you can choose in details settings
Itโs sick if you use default ui
thick kelp
run it back nxt week np
magic canopy
that boss can suck it
pure rng canisters everywhere
cba to care just kill explosives boss dies
calm hollow
actual kill was 1.8m
I saw your prog Crit, I was like โoh its not a me issueโ :DD
halcyon breach
Rik DPS varies massively pull to pull
Kinda awful
But so does the entire fight as a whole
daring heron
i thought that too when i saw him on ptr
at least boss falls over since it's only 3rd boss
calm hollow
Watch them remove add damage from logs, it will be a mess, not a single player will focus on them, lmao
daring heron
i found that slayer rng is very noticeable now that we have a 2nd warrior, it's so rare that we have equal slayer strikes
calm hollow
Or it will be just excluded from Allstar
daring heron
i saw a pull where there was a 51% difference between our slayer strike damage
calm hollow
I saw the rank1 log, dude had BS back in 20 sec after 3rd barrel wave
Like its even tight with BL
How insane rng he had there
midnight mural
It's one of those fights where u can gamba and ignore the execute conditions and just send it ASAP if u get SD procc and maybe u get lucky and get alot of BS CDR
weak wave
https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/details-skin-the-war-within
Thanks!
thick kelp
hm
Im the only one in top 36 who did pre pull avatar
to line it up with barrel spawns
and i even died smh
midnight mural
barrel spawns 2 melee 2 ranged ruins any sort of planning ๐
thick kelp
idk we had pretty good spawns on our kill
we had like
4 in melee
at one point during p2
calm hollow
Yea that was a pull where I was at 2.5m after 1st inter, when we had insane barrel spawns
sudden fox
do we just send best-in-slots with our other cooldowns?
daring heron
get enough 3s and 4s and it's a good log
calm hollow
But that was like 1 out of 20 pulls, kinda sad
Stix will be pain today tho, will be like 100pulls min for us
dawn prairie
<:critcake:984549832511344640>
we completed stix last night on heroic and it was fine
calm hollow
Bruh, mythic
golden magnet
is dungeon slice the best sim for mythic+?
dawn prairie
progression team bro whats wrong with that?
dawn prairie
didnt mean to i understand mythic is a challenge sorry ab tht fellas
calm hollow
Its just a different league
vapid pine
Im the only one in top 36 who did pre pull avatar
Pre-pull is just like ~5 seconds right?
calm hollow
I dont know if its worth it, you can use it on pull, and just delay it for 4th barrel with roar instead of using on 3rd
Well it might worth it if you want to send it on CD and dont want to hold it for 2nd barrel wave after intermission
thick kelp
Altho if u send it pre pull it will be carefull to hold it when he goes up the 2nd time
halcyon breach
Im the only one in top 36 who did pre pull avatar
not true
Unless you're looking at only arms
calm hollow
Probs only arms
thick kelp
I was looking at only arms
gleaming grove
Whats the cheapest weapon to craft?
halcyon breach
It's probably still the axe that's the cheapest 2hander
gleaming grove
It's probably still the axe that's the cheapest 2hander
ty
calm hollow
There might be what, like 2-3k diff on mats? If there is even that much
I didnt check the sword, but is it more?
halcyon breach
I haven't looked since week 4 ish of S1
I just know it was quite a bit cheaper back then
brittle fiber
why does avatar not reset on boss deaths sometimes
calm hollow
1:30 cd never resets
soft dew
Only 2 minutes + CDs reset on boss right?
calm hollow
They reset at or above 2min
halcyon breach
Yes, though there are some CDs that do reset that shouldn't
brittle fiber
fuck aggrend
halcyon breach
I think one of Shamans CDs reset even though it's less than 2 min
brittle fiber
how does that make sense lmfao
halcyon breach
Don't quite recall which one it is
calm hollow
Dont they have a talent to reduce it below 2 mins maybe?
thick kelp
mfw we wiped 10s after I pressed Avatar and now I have to tell my raid lead that I need 1min pulltime
calm hollow
At least mages are the same
slow saddle
#warrior things
inland drift
lmao
man, parsing feels so much better after macro'ing important stuff
BUT DON'T DROP THE MECHANICS ON ME C'MOOOOON
xD
magic canopy
big method kill
magic canopy
dense vector
Macro OP+MS together
That sounds awful
hollow plover
honestly if you cast sequence ms+op+execute you could probably operate at minimum 70% efficiency
quasi torrent
I think one of Shamans CDs reset even though it's less than 2 min
the base cooldown is relevant
halcyon breach
Yes
dawn notch
mfw we wiped 10s after I pressed Avatar and now I have to tell my raid lead that...
I just use a simple /s to count down
midnight mural
big method kill
shesh... them 3rd place reactions from the team
dawn notch
btw... do you guys think a WA or addon would be useful for us when after a wipe in a raid instance we count down in like 10 seconds intervals how long the CDs are still?
I do it manually and it sucks ^^
hollow plover
btw... do you guys think a WA or addon would be useful for us when after a wipe ...
brother what
calm hollow
That sounds awful
probably because it is
but the dude wants to macro things together
calm hollow
I just know it was quite a bit cheaper back then
wait a minute, sword needs 12 charged alloy? while the axe needs 2 ironclaw only? then its not even a question
halcyon breach
Correct
I didn't remember the recipe for it
But after all the price drops from them adding delve mats to the vendor, the alloys in general just dropped too
dawn notch
brother what
because our CDs don't reset I started to /s the remaining CDs after I get rezzed out of combat,..
so I am thinking about preparing a WA that does the /s with the remaining CDs automatically
hollow plover
You want a weakaura that tracks the non-resetting cooldowns upon a wipe ?
did I understand that?
or whats goin on here
dim basalt
I think theyre really clear with what they want
Im not sure if theres an event for accepting a ress to make it possible
hollow plover
he said out of combat
dim basalt
yeah?
dim basalt
By reading
calm hollow
he wants a WA to say in chat whats his CD timer left, after a wipe
dim basalt
^
calm hollow
not that difficult to understand
dim basalt
Thats all
dim basalt
Blizz should just make 1.5m cds reset zzz
hollow plover
highly annoying for raids
calm hollow
well its actually useful, so the RL wont start the pulltimer when he has 30 sec left from cd
not like spamming wa, just could announce once on res
dim basalt
Can just communicate it in voice chat tho
calm hollow
sometimes even i forget to check my CD on prog
hollow plover
usually there are no pulls within 90sec
calm hollow
usually there are no pulls within 90sec
did u ever prog ansurek?
hollow plover
i have CE
calm hollow
P1 prog is exactly that
dim basalt
Ansurek wasnt that bad tho
calm hollow
we always had to wait 40-50 sec for cds to come back
hollow plover
our wipes didnt rly encounter that problem that much
idk
a lot of talkin between pulls tho
might be cuz of that
hexed snow
i sure love the ccp
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hexed snow
๐
dim basalt
protect fat chicken
hollow plover
protec
#protection protec
quasi torrent
frigg protection
strange perch
@thick kelp
thick kelp
hi
strange perch
Heeeyyyyy
waxen elbow
Hi
strange perch
Gratz on season 1 contest winner
waxen elbow
Yeah
strange perch
whatchu listenin to bud
thick kelp
Garr
icy mulch
tepid abyss
Hey guys! Newer player here. I was under the impression that arms was going to be better for keys this season is that still the case?
dim basalt
yes
naive sage
Hey guys! Newer player here. I was under the impression that arms was going to b...
Both are good, play what you like. That said, arms owns
olive nest
Fury has its place
zenith warren
so if I backed up to WTF folder but forgot to save addons folder, can I check what addons I had?
olive nest
It owns prio targets and bosses
But arms will do bigger overall every time unless they tune
latent moss
they would have to remove arms
to match fury and arms overall this season
just way too much aoe ffor fury
vivid hill
So for colossus in mythic+ when against only 2 targets, the rotation is identical to the single target rotation except for SS. Would cleave replace slam or am I only cleaving with 3+ targets?
fresh spire
Both specs play well in the tier
Just fury should.be much cleaner for stix and potentially gally. Depends how much add damage is really needed when we have 20+ ilvl and 18% damage extra over world first guilds
teal fossil
tbf this boss wouldnโt get nerfed nearly as hard as most other end bosses by the time us peasants get there
vapid pine
Just fury should.be much cleaner for stix and potentially gally. Depends how muc...
To be fair on boss damage Fury probably also clears on both Stix and Gally
spice moss
Question for the pros of you
I was lucky and looted Best in Slot from our first heroic kill of Bandit. Now i ask myself - should i go double passive trinkets? Its kinda annoying that it shares a cd with on use trinkets and dont know what to go for now. Any advice?
slow saddle
Sim it
If u got a good trinket
Trinket with avatar. Evt bis with warbreaker
I mean csmash
fresh spire
Best is using hoc on use from mythic but until then you can get away with mechano/seaform/eye of kez
If you feel lazy and have onuse macro 1.30 to avatar then macro best in slots to cs
last gulch
is colossus clear winner over slayer for keys? or close enough thats its preference
spice moss
Aight, so both is possible. Ill sim it as soon as i get lucky with trinkets, thanks
fresh spire
If they buff bladestorm maybe slayer will be competitive. But its aoe just can't keep up.
Buff reap
toxic socket
is colossus clear winner over slayer for keys? or close enough thats its prefere...
Bladestorm is an awful ability ๐ colossus in a clear winner
potent cedar
I miss giga bladestorm
open ingot
I kinda hate when I setup big demolish and target gets pulled out of range before last hit ๐
upper pumice
I kinda hate when I setup big demolish and target gets pulled out of range befor...
But doesnt the last hit come through anyhow?
open ingot
nope
flat willow
open ingot
this
minor gust
From what I've seen it depends when the mobs get moved. If they are moved at the very last second demolish still goes off. But if it's mid cast it will def cancel
broken arrow
My tank friend strategically moving 2cm to the left just when I press Demolish. 
mint patio
They should give demolish some of that pally melee range lol
open ingot
Yeah. Delete paladin
flat willow
before you delete paladins, delete mages
minor gust
They were so proud of the fyrak Lego mechanic they just had to give it to us but worse.
open ingot
Nah, I'm trying to compete with my 657 arms to my friends 643 ret and losing big time. Must be me...
flat willow
the best part really is when the tank moves a single step and you're right next to the mob
but it got a smaller hitbox for some reason so fuck you
olive nest
I miss demolish so often pugging itโs so cringe
minor gust
If you have a feeling in your balls that the tank will move the mobs get in the habit of casting shockwave before demolish
open ingot
Mages meant to be ranged gods, why are all paladin abilities 20yard range except for rebuke ๐
olive nest
But this is the way
minor gust
Tank can't move mobs if mobs knocked up and stunned
open ingot
I gotta get this going ^
flat willow
If you have a feeling in your balls that the tank will move the mobs get in the ...
what if that feeling never goes away
well, it goes away when a rng aoe pops under your feet the second you start casting demolish
minor gust
Gotta be on your toes
open ingot
I just die at that point, can't interrupt demolish
minor gust
And leap out
minor gust
But don't leap far enough to break the demolish
flat willow
I just die at that point, can't interrupt demolish
that's the way
I might be dead but at least demolish got cast
olive nest
Can you leap to the opposite of a mob mid demolish cast and not cancel it?
open ingot
you can't do anything mid demolish?
flat willow
you can leap
open ingot
you can? ๐ฎ
minor gust
Yes you can leap mid demolish and as long as you don't leap out of range of the mob demolish will continue
olive nest
Yes you can leap mid demolish and as long as you don't leap out of range of the ...
Hollyyy.. Good tech!
TIL
minor gust
It's not something you will do often but if your quick with it you can do it
open ingot
since it's against all laws to break demolish, even dying is better alternative, I will definitely adopt this
is it legal to ask for gear check from smarter arms players here? since I feel like I'm gaining gear but not dps
oblique lodge
you can? ๐ฎ
You can leap and dbs
minor gust
You can start off by never touching stat weights again
teal fossil
Read the giant yellow box
open ingot
It's a weakness of mine
teal fossil
Thatโs a dps gain
open ingot
๐
olive nest
Just run droptimizer M+ 655 ilvl and go farm whatever the highest piece is
Once you get that piece re sim
And go again
After thatโs done you wait for vault
minor gust
No need to overcomplicate gearing
olive nest
Or play around with hypothetical gear combinations that you think would give more dps
Or blindly go farm all the bis M+ items from wowhead
Etc
oblique lodge
Pls don't farm m+ bis from wowhead
minor gust
Get a new piece of loot take it to top gear and see if it's an upgrade. Want to know what loot to look for that's an upgrade go-to droptomizer
oblique lodge
people do but they shouldnt
Then they wonder why their dps is low
olive nest
Yeah itโs best to sim droptimizer max end of dungeon drop and farm the best piece, rinse and repeat after each upgrade
oblique lodge
Just prio 16k haste into around there crit into haste
thick kelp
Read the giant yellow box
olive nest
oblique lodge
since it's against all laws to break demolish, even dying is better alternative,...
Remember the more haste the faster demolish casts
open ingot
droptimizer just says ilvl upgrades to tier pieces for biggest +, well isn't that nice
wanton sierra
hey, the way to farm mechano core amplifier is killin rares on undermine?
wanton sierra
i looked for it on wow head and it says that drops from some rares, but i think its low ilvl
frank frost
yeah you can get a hero track one from delves
broken arrow
So far I've gotten 2, both from delves. Hero track one using the Delvers Bounty item
lean geode
yeah you can get a hero track one from delves
Only from the delve map or from delve vault slot, otherwise it's champion
wanton sierra
how does it work the "delve maps"? i got only delve keys
frank frost
ah fair enough
i haven't gotten a hero track one myself so i'm just rocking a champion one
broken arrow
Basically doing delves you have a chance to get an item called "Delvers Bounty" and after you use it the next delve you complete has a chest with hero lvl gear in it.
Apparently there's a bad luck system so the more delves you do the more likely you are to get it and also if the miniboss shows up in a delve he has a high chance of dropping one
round cape
to get the map doesnt really matter
broken arrow
Not 100% sure if it matters when you loot the Delvers Bounty, but you should use it on Tier 8 or above delve for highest level loot
round cape
you should use it on a delve at level 8 or above
broken arrow
Yeah, a lot of the trinkets are really bad somehow. 20ish ilvl better. Still not as good as Mark/Shard/Sac
slow saddle
So far I've gotten 2, both from delves. Hero track one using the Delvers Bounty ...
2....
surreal depot
if possible, you should really use the maps on t11 delves, they drop an additional 10 gilded crests
toxic socket
+10 WS and i died at the start of the pack before third boss.. somehow timed it. send help
sage badge
Arms owns
lament ridge
Surprised the ret did that low; they own in total dam.
toxic socket
yeahhh, never had to carry a dungeon that hard before ๐ timed it with i think 13 second to spare and the group didnt wanna to LoS on second boss.. the tank did it anyway and it got us the key ๐
lean geode
That's some diabolical dps for a 10
toxic socket
i play with a Ret mainly in my keys and they put up quite the fight
toxic socket
That's some diabolical dps for a 10
they didnt use buttons
lament ridge
That's some diabolical dps for a 10
Yeah, was going to say.
olive nest
Last ret I played with in 10 cinder did like 4M overall
lean geode
Last ret I played with in 10 cinder did like 4M overall
Ret overall is the definition of padding
daring heron
I broke 4mil twice yesterday!
tacit crystal
does ret do prio damage
daring heron
i guess i do pad a bit...
olive nest
True I guess they get like 10 seconds of divine storm spam or something donโt they?
toxic socket
I broke 4mil twice yesterday!
what key? ๐
sage badge
Are you still armsing this season?
Yeah. I'm gonna break 4m overall in a cinderbrew 10+ soon. Don't have 4p yet.
olive nest
I broke 4mil twice yesterday!
Arms ownage!
daring heron
Think priory and cinderbrew
lean geode
Yeah. I'm gonna break 4m overall in a cinderbrew 10+ soon. Don't have 4p yet.
How do you not have 4pc yet what the heck
Shit owns though
finite wasp
arms is now a pad spec
lament ridge
Which dungeons are definite arms dungeons, and which ones are fury? I know Priory and Meadery for arms, and TOP for fury, but what else?
olive nest
My PB is 3.1M in priory but my weapon was inly 658 and I donโt have a HoC yet
Weโll get there
Big ilvl jump this week
finite wasp
I'm casual. I do vault keys, and the occasionally io key and log off.
r u retired and just gonna be casual from now on
toxic socket
Which dungeons are definite arms dungeons, and which ones are fury? I know Prior...
why is ToP for fury? i thought just everything in m+ was arms
lean geode
Which dungeons are definite arms dungeons, and which ones are fury? I know Prior...
Imo rookery is a fury key as well
Workshop too maybe
tacit crystal
Which dungeons are definite arms dungeons, and which ones are fury? I know Prior...
why would top be fury
sage badge
r u retired and just gonna be casual from now on
Retired from mythic raiding. Since DF s3. But I'll try to push keys via pugging and upload vods.
lean geode
why would top be fury
Small packs / minibosses
wanton sierra
ye 4m on prio! 2 pc yet
tacit crystal
couldnt you say the same with arms
finite wasp
kk noice
tacit crystal
ss
lean geode
No because arms st is beans compared to fury
lament ridge
Yeah, fury ST is better in dungeons I'm pretty sure.
lean geode
By a ton yes
daring heron
Priory 11, PI was on boomy
olive nest
Hot dam mans pulls must have been wicked good!
lament ridge
Imo rookery is a fury key as well
Good call on rookery.
gilded basin
hey what is the best embellishment for a 2H craft? Focus lense or Ascendance? Sim Craft says Focus Lens but its seems odd cause everyone uses ascension
lean geode
I've literally never seen anyone using focusing lens
Only ascension
But also I'd hold off on crafting a 2h until reset
Esp for arms
gray herald
focusing lens is pretty good, but single target only
i havent seen it sim better than ascendance but it could, i would still go for ascendance though
tacit crystal
I've literally never seen anyone using focusing lens
pvp moment
mild sierra
its st isnt that good
Arms ST is really good
midnight mural
Priory 11, PI was on boomy
midnight mural
Priory 11, PI was on boomy
Slow down buddy, your gonna get envybanned again 
boreal quartz
What is the healer doing
gray herald
Arms ST is really good
it surprised me when i did my first arms key this season and got to the first boss tbf
gray herald
What is the healer doing
not earthquake that's for sure
boreal quartz
not earthquake that's for sure
I remember earth ele tremor legendary
lean geode
Arms ST is really good
In colossus M+ spec? That's a take for sure
boreal quartz
Our ppal bopped the ele for dam
halcyon breach
Colossus does all things considered good ST in keys
halcyon breach
It's not gonna be Slayer Fury ST, but it's far from bad
lean geode
It's not very good
mild sierra
Its obvisouly relative to other specs ST dmg in m+ builds
daring heron
Slow down buddy, your gonna get envybanned again <:Pepexecute:595606525272391710...
I'm using my keyboard cam all the time now except in raid pretty much because it covers my raid frames
gray herald
I'm using my keyboard cam all the time now except in raid pretty much because it...
better safe than sorry
mild sierra
Its obvisouly relative to other specs ST dmg in m+ builds
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/xcemZJufYaEBD8VAUzx6V8 simming 2m in m+ talents is pretty good
daring heron
but maybe i'll move it elsewhere so it's always on
halcyon breach
ok crafted weapon owner with ascension
lean geode
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/xcemZJufYaEBD8VAUzx6V8 simming 2m in m+ t...
HOLY mans zooted
boreal quartz
but maybe i'll move it elsewhere so it's always on <:keks:936231610850897992>
Minimap mby?
Useless Info in raid
midnight mural
<:critcake:984549832511344640>
Did u stream that key ? I wanna see big dam
daring heron
Did u stream that key ? I wanna see big dam
i did yesterday yeah, about 2hrs in
daring heron
Minimap mby?
was thinking at the bottom of screen, below my action tracker
midnight mural
i did yesterday yeah, about 2hrs in
Ty
daring heron
true
daring heron
smart
boreal quartz
@daring heron can you make your stream like spongies
With the car on the unit frame
daring heron
boreal quartz
<:critcake:984549832511344640>
Also the her avatar talkie thingie
Mandatory Equipment
peak jacinth
How do you not have 4pc yet what the heck
A lot of people +only+ run Keys; and/or don't bother much with Raid. So we simply don't have enough Catalyst charges to have a wide expectation for 4p. Even if you raid, you're heavily reliant on RNG. I got one drop from Raid and had to Cata one piece for my 2set. 4p seems like an eternity away. >(
olive nest
3 catalyst charges total tomorrow
So you definitely should be able to get your hands on atleast one piece from lfr/normal
Or just extremely unlucky
gray herald
or vault tbh
eager sigil
vault is the easier way
gray herald
it's so likely in vault if you fill all slots
keen cloud
why is the arms war bis list for m+ giga scuffed and shows wrong dungeon on half of the items? ๐
on wowhead
boreal quartz
why is the arms war bis list for m+ giga scuffed and shows wrong dungeon on half...
Cuz it doesnt rlly matter as a concept
mortal crag
@boreal quartz philliams
boreal quartz
You wear best simming gear
boreal quartz
<@653287531038900236> philliams
https://tenor.com/view/meme-down-syndrome-funny-tongue-action-tongue-out-meme-gif-572114404054760484
Idk bro i just send
mortal crag
like ur mom
keen cloud
You wear best simming gear
ofc, just weird that every other class doesnt have plain wrong information like this
boreal quartz
ofc, just weird that every other class doesnt have plain wrong information like ...
Yea idk
daring heron
or do we just send
yessir
boreal quartz
Ion look at that list
boreal quartz
like ur mom
Toxin
boreal quartz
Type shit ye
mortal crag
shit ye
boreal quartz
Type shit is good
mortal crag
shit is good
is there a rend tracker for NON targets?
i want a WA taht just tells me to press clap every 20s
since there are other abilities that trigger rend on my main target, they desync
boreal quartz
i want a WA taht just tells me to press clap every 20s
Ye
Tmy has it in his was
Like his tc shows how many targets there is and how many dont have rend
Mega hard carry in aoe wa
fossil thistle
Iโve actually been pretty lucky lately in keys. Been around 1.5-1.6 st as colossus, overall (depending on dungeon ofc) tends to be around 2.4-2.7M
Now what I need to improve on is stix parsing ๐ซ
short spear
whats the opinion on slayer arms in keys
dont really play arms much so figured id ask around about stuff
lean geode
whats the opinion on slayer arms in keys
Bad ๐
short spear
well demolish feels nice anyways
dim basalt
The only key where slayer should be fine is ToP
short spear
i am feeling lacking in st on demolish arms in keys but i also dont have 4 set
and im probably a little low on crit
mortal crag
@boreal quartz id assume it makes sense i do better as fury on 5target dummies on like 2min for 2 reasons
- my gear is 80% fury
- im a better fury player than arms
- its fury's perfect cap so i dont see the true potential past that, correct?
fossil thistle
Play what you want but colossus is better in keys by a good chunk.
Slayer is still fun imo ๐
short spear
i like the idea of slayer with the executes but i also kinda feel like arms bs is less satisfying than fury's
dim basalt
Reap the Storm rng is also pepega
short spear
for colossus is it arterial bleed or one against many for keys
red oar
is there any form of automatic rend maintenance above 35%?
teal fossil
is there any form of automatic rend maintenance above 35%?
No
red oar
prime bramble
By casting TC when you drought occasionally
sudden breach
maybe a stupid question or i'm missing something. but why sweeping before ravager and warbreaker? i feel like you're just wasting 2 gcds within ss
prime bramble
So you don't waste a warbreaker dps window on a global that doesn't do damage
mortal crag
warbreaker prio
prime bramble
And to get collateral damage buff overlap
fathom hollow
do u need to be same server as guild to raid mythic
mortal crag
fury is literally harder rn than arms
dim basalt
lol
mortal crag
rn<
eager sigil
do u need to be same server as guild to raid mythic
not anymore
mortal crag
id argue at max skill ceiling fury is easier than arms
but for like 85-90% of the bulk of the gameplay fury is harder
dim basalt
naive breach
?
dim basalt
Your average dps player will do significantly more dps on Fury than on Arms
short spear
i just realized i was making a mistake with my arms build
mortal crag
your average dps player wont play warrior
dim basalt
Fair point
mortal crag
theyll play ret and smoke me regardless of what i do
dim basalt
Tho Fury still has a lot of players
short spear
im pretty sure warrior is one of the more commonly play classes in the game
mortal crag
theres a difference between being braindead easy and being slightly less braindead easy
mortal crag
im pretty sure warrior is one of the more commonly play classes in the game
pala and wrar y
dim basalt
We have a holy pal that sometimes plays DPS when we are too many healers
And somehow only deals tank dps
mortal crag
MT=mountain thane
short spear
ret pala definitely exploded in popularity after their df rework
dim basalt
Even tho they play dps frequently
mortal crag
at no point did i argue fury isnt easy btw
hexed ermine
Anyone know how to get critcakes weak aura
mortal crag
i simply said playing arms at a decent level vs playing fury at a decent level RIGHT NOW, arms is easier/more rewarding
min maxing arms is still harder
but min maxing fury isnt as rewarding
short spear
i liked DF arms more
mortal crag
i just fucking hate having a 8 button opener
it feels ass
3-4 MAYBE 5
6 if we're pushing it
hexed ermine
i just fucking hate having a 8 button opener
I hate how sometimes by the time we get through opener some of these classes delete half the pack already lol
dim basalt
I hate how sometimes by the time we get through opener some of these classes del...
tbf arms can do the same
If you jump into a pack with stacked CD and demo up
hexed ermine
tbf arms can do the same
Yea throughout the key true but when we have to build it sucks
dim basalt
Sub rogues casually destroying an entire pack by themselves
hexed ermine
Esp if u donโt get lucky crits when ur building lol
naive breach
( i was the ele all along )
dim basalt
Ele is really unsatisfying tho
mortal crag
I hate how sometimes by the time we get through opener some of these classes del...
"warriors have too much upfront burst"
they said
as they gave EVERYONE upfront burst
hexed ermine
I have 665 Best in slot wep Iโm wondering if I still craft myth track wep or make double dawn thread
naive breach
dunno how people play brown man class not playing fat execute mortal strikes
eager sigil
gear compare or just add items to your top gear
dim basalt
dunno how people play brown man class not playing fat execute mortal strikes
These became fat just 3 weeks ago 
short spear
do damage numbers are getting so big, cant even properly see the numbers in a big pack sometimes
indigo pond
Hey everyone! For those who arenโt fans of the new Warbreaker animations, thereโs a discussion on the WoW forums where you can share your feedback. If you have any thoughts on the changes, itโd be great to let Blizzard hear from us!
Hereโs the link to the forum post: https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/warbreaker-feedback-1115-update/2075530/9
short spear
i kinda like the new animation, although the new sound design is just worse
actually i change my mind
the animation sucks
indigo pond
The current PTR version is decent, but I really hope they change that spin into something more impactful. Compared to the old Warbreaker, the new animation just feels super underwhelming
short spear
i like they are trying to make more noticable animations for warrior but i dont think this one is the way
indigo pond
Exactly. At least they listened to community feedback last time and removed the ghost weapons. The frustrating part is that they changed an animation that was already perfect, in my opinion. Instead of being an improvement, overall it feels like a clear downgrade
red oar
the ghost weapons are cool 
short spear
ya i think if they just made the original warbreaker animation bigger or made it look even more like your breaking the ground apart
tepid citrus
I didnโt realize they took away 8 yard melee range. That explains a lot to me this season ๐
red oar
idk why blizz is so reluctant to just add glyphs when they change spell effects
tepid citrus
Was wondering why I felt like I had to stand on top mobs again
red oar
every single changed effect should just come with a glyph to go back to old visual
indigo pond
every single changed effect should just come with a glyph to go back to old visu...
Would be the perfect world
short spear
thats too logical sir
red oar
basically quit mage due to them butchering all the cool spell effects that existed for ~18 years
charred shoal
ya i think if they just made the original warbreaker animation bigger or made it...
like shaman sunder
short spear
it does feel like a theme of them making just worse versions of spells for classes. the example that upset me was when they changed enhancement shamans ascendance form storm strike to a wind blast
although that was a while ago
muted iron
hi guys can i see your action bar? i need to optimice my action bar
thick kelp
lean geode
๐
lean geode
This is crazy work
muted iron
my look likke this
charred falcon
Alright guys, I need your help. I've been playing Fury since DF to a mid-high lvl (3k-3.1kish IO each season). Despite what Blizz is saying, Fury is NOT in a good place right now in M+, especially in Floodgate with the size of the pools. So I need somebody to explain to me, in a stupid-proof way, how to play Arms. Like as stupid-proof as possible.
frank frost
This is crazy work
thanks i made it myself
frank frost
Alright guys, I need your help. I've been playing Fury since DF to a mid-high lv...
ravager > cleave
short spear
my keybinds are strange as well
lean geode
Alright guys, I need your help. I've been playing Fury since DF to a mid-high lv...
Also consider taking a look at the wowhead guide
Also fury is fine
frank frost
my keybinds are strange as well
no wasd movement?
lean geode
Not as high overall but better boss/prio dam
wanton sierra
man my action bar is insane... my interrupt is alt + W
lean geode
man my action bar is insane... my interrupt is alt + W
This is criminal behavior
red oar
frank frost
that's two key presses for a interrupt
short spear
i use mouse and auto move keybind with a and g as the strafe buttons. ๐
frank frost
that's so inefficient
red oar
frank frost
i use mouse and auto move keybind with a and g as the strafe buttons. ๐
that is actually crazy
wanton sierra
inefficient? lets see your efficience xD
untold trench
Strafing is the best way and most efficient way to move about
charred falcon
Also consider taking a look at the wowhead guide <:okayge:917646812519739433>
Yeah, I've read the wowhead guide, watched Crit and Biz's vids over and over, just doesn't seem to click with me ig. And yeah, Fury is fine in normal sized pulls, but when you're doing 6 mil and a ret pala pressing 1 button is doing 10 mil it doesn't feel that great ngl
short spear
ya i usually strafe around in combat
untold trench
S and W is only allowed for PvE tank micro movement
untold trench
V for Victory
wanton sierra
S is backpeddle xD
vague bloom
V for victory
fast nebula
https://wago.io/vozArmsThunderclapRend
I like this, but would pref if the code was on my rend tracker, as keeping an eye on that of makes sense over TC cd. I will try can change that.
wanton sierra
k for KHA'Z MOOODAAAAAAN!!
indigo pond
Where's the '3' key mortal strike ๐ฟ
wanton sierra
2
lean geode
Yeah, I've read the wowhead guide, watched Crit and Biz's vids over and over, ju...
Does the ret padding on overall actually make the key any faster though? Or is that time going to be lost when you still have a prio target or boss living for an extra 20 seconds?
(but also read the previous messages I linked with the no-EP colossus build, it's very simple to play)
lean geode
Where's the '3' key mortal strike ๐ฟ
MS is a mousewheel down type ability
charred falcon
Does the ret padding on overall actually make the key any faster though? Or is t...
It's 100% padding and it's not gonna save that much time, I agree. However, I'm mostly a pug player, and as I'm sure you know, pugs look for big numbers at those levels, regardless if it's prio dmg, cleave or full pad. I'm sure at the 3.2k-3.3k IO lvls ppl know what's happening, but while climbing the ladder, oh body would some pad help
lean geode
Who gives a fuck about overall if you time the key
Provided you're not actively griefing your damage
(@ every mage I've pugged with doing less than 2m overall)
wanton sierra
only those who are on the group competing to see who is going to deal more dam
short spear
i think getting a ret aoe padder wouldnt be so bad if you got some heavy single target damage
lean geode
Exactly
wanton sierra
mages are learning new rotation i think
they are doing 0 dmg, at least on the keys that ive plaiyed
short spear
thats just the average mage experience in pugs
wanton sierra
but i played with an frost guy... he was huge gamer
frost mage... idk, 2 piece... and blasted all fights
spiral coral
happy st patties day
rare kite
but i played with an frost guy... he was huge gamer
frost mages actually do damage somehow. if you meet a fire or arcane in keys they are usually trash
lean geode
frost mages actually do damage somehow. if you meet a fire or arcane in keys the...
always*
frost are too
wanton sierra
frost mages actually do damage somehow. if you meet a fire or arcane in keys the...
but on those tiers lists, says that of all mages, fire is the one that is the best
untold trench
Mages is a 80% chance to be a flop, 10% a ragequiter, 10% a loudmouth
indigo pond
frost mages actually do damage somehow. if you meet a fire or arcane in keys the...
Bro i've been trying to play fire mage last weeks but outside of combustion basically the damage is inexistent
rare kite
but on those tiers lists, says that of all mages, fire is the one that is the be...
fire is the best. people are just trash
short spear
Ya mages are usually a strong class but the people playing mages are often not in the out world
wanton sierra
fire is the best. people are just trash
xD
quaint basin
Mages is a 80% chance to be a flop, 10% a ragequiter, 10% a loudmouth
25% chance they forget to lust
short spear
If you have a good mage player though, their utility and defensive with good damage is very nice to have
wanton sierra
and almost 99% of them forget to press altered time (that defensive that they return the health when pressed) or press it when he is 5%
little forge
fire requires a brain to play and most of the mage players dont have one... frost requires the least amount of brain power
untold trench
If, if is the same as saying when you going to win the lottery
little forge
good fire mages are very good
wanton sierra
says the guy when the name "wizard"
short spear
Wizards arenโt mages
dim basalt
same same but different
boreal quartz
<@653287531038900236> id assume it makes sense i do better as fury on 5target du...
Think so yuh
Cuz crit goes mega for colo
Im playing at piss lowcrit and it's not fun
wanton sierra
same same but different
mortal crag
Cuz crit goes mega for colo
fr? i should stack crit?
wanton sierra
i mean, we garantee crits when it is needed, with reck avatar
so crit value must have dropped
let me check bloodmallet
little forge
nah you always want to crit because it increases our atk speed
wanton sierra
haste crit masteru vers
little forge
i went from haste/mastery fury gear to like 14k crit and it was very noticeable damage
wanton sierra
https://tenor.com/view/japan-real-real-japan-sugi-same-same-but-different-chikar...
xD
dire hinge
most of my spells are on hidden bars so this is all i have
smoky kayak
I too am a big hidden bar enjoyer
teal fossil
Vibe>sims
frank frost
manic pasture
Does the haste stack on the arms 4 set or is it just 2% on top of your stats
mild sierra
2% per stack
manic pasture
Neat
teal fossil
Vibes frfr
boreal quartz
fr? i should stack crit?
Sim but crit good
lean geode
Sim but crit good
sims still have me at like 7k crit in both 1t and 5t 5m /shrug
olive night
Has anyone else had bad luck with Stix on Arms? The fight just makes me feel like im doing no damage
boreal quartz
sims still have me at like 7k crit in both 1t and 5t 5m /shrug
What the fuck is 7k crit lol
lean geode
shruge
I can add like 4k crit and it's within margin of error
that's with funhouse and pacemaker tho
dry summit
Has anyone else had bad luck with Stix on Arms? The fight just makes me feel lik...
Yeah stix is so fucked, esp if you are still doing hc with 30 people and there is like 15 melee
all the fires get spread boss never get moved properly
olive night
okay i guess im not crazy then. we have around 10 melee with a 20+ sized raid on Heroic
lean geode
What the fuck is 7k crit lol
Also within margin of error on single target https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/qKcrvVTy9hRgvKfjqzPQsG
dry summit
yeah then like me: when your stacking 15 stacks of juggernaut and you get a ball and lose all stacks