arms

[olive nest]

Well whatever sims yeah

But I just go for Dawn because I like high Crit

[tropic eagle]

yeah same crit all the way

[olive nest]

My aoe sims for Colo want as high of crit as possible anyway

[sand summit]

I agree... But like i said, i did already craft weapon, until later on where i will go double dawn.

But its all preference, i had a bad weapon, and my sims did tell me to crat weapon as well.

Compared to double dawn.

[eager sigil]

i crafted big boots and will do big belt next

[olive nest]

I have a 665 capital punisher and my sim still wants weapon craft

[tropic eagle]

big wep upgrade for arms is big dam

[olive nest]

It’s just really good for ST to have weapon plus the ST embellishments

[bold granite]

too many stats

[tropic eagle]

I got even more

xD

[slow saddle]

Dawn for my guild which struggles in healin

[shadow ibex]

Idk how our healers did it but I had 86% uptime on dawn for our bandit kill

I was pretty impressed with them for a prog kill

[tired pecan]

I heard you can get another spark now

[severe wraith]

So could you guys help me decide?

Cloak + Bracers to 675 + Dawnthread or Weapon + Bracers to 675 with Ascencion + Writhing Barding?

Currently using HC Best in Slots, weapon + barding is roughly a 60k ST upgrade while double dawnthread is more like 45k, but am I mistaken in thinking that 15k difference might be 0 if I drop a mythic weapon and I'd be stuck with a useless crafted 2h?

[severe wraith]

Yeah, half a spark

[tired pecan]

So we can make weps now

[limpid hornet]

no unless you exploit

[tired pecan]

No there handing out the other half of it

[sudden sentinel]

so yeah you can

[tired pecan]

at the dude I heard because it was exploit

[limpid hornet]

well nice of them to react

[sudden sentinel]

is blizz getting ddos again?

[slow saddle]

Also keep in mind dawnthread sims are set at. Baseline %. If u go below or above % sims differ

[peak jacinth]

It's an official blue-post on the forums. Go look. This half-spark is NOT the exploit, it was hotfixed in.

Only question is: is this our "Tuesday-spark-early?" Or do we get ANOTHER in 3 days??

[eager sigil]

we get another half on reset

[olive nest]

Imagine they allow the exploiters a 3rd craft next reset

[tired pecan]

so they are just giving it early this week and no spark next reset?

[gloomy dawn]

How do we get the spark

[eager sigil]

dont do this quest aswell and you might be at 3 next reset

[severe wraith]

Yeah been checking the past HC runs and m+ runs and 60% is a lot lower than it actually is, so that should be good

[slow saddle]

Ye but did u check prog rund

Also if it drops of during cds.

I dno imma play acendance during our prog

[olive nest]

Lmao! I was thinking the same thing

[eager sigil]

spark slingshot

holy revvez at 15 jugg stacks and boss is at 60%

[olive nest]

Maintain maintain!

[slow saddle]

Have faith!

[eager sigil]

he lost them

[olive nest]

Ff

[sand summit]

Goated

[tropic eagle]

he was losing to wall this morning th o

was fun to watch them race

[rich ridge]

Who’s crafting a weapon today?

[olive nest]

I’m impatient as hell so I’m probably going to end up crafting weapon today

[minor gust]

Oof

Just wait

[olive nest]

(With a primary focus on raid ST I think it’s the move)

Actually curious how much difference myth main hand vs crafted ascension is

[minor gust]

Mythic main is still better but the % is small I don't remember exactly

[lethal stream]

i have question guys\

in ex phase with slayer talent

2 x ex and mortal?

[rich ridge]

Crit/haste 2h weapons

[devout pewter]

aw damn, archi's info on crafting literally 30 minutes too late for me now, just recrafted my old wrists to 675 😄

[agile crown]

where’s the 3rd half spark from campaign?

[olive nest]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/pDTkFprdCmbUGcoaXVp1D2

Yeah I really think I should just wait

Fffff

60k dps won’t stop me from defeating carnage on Sunday

[minor gust]

Yup

If you got a full vault of 10s just wait on wep craft till next week

[midnight mural]

Wooow this is amazing. Get half a spark for free... EXCEPT, if you do the "half free spark quest" before you do your weekly quest, you dont get half a spark in your pinnacle cache..

[olive nest]

Ain’t no way

[tropic eagle]

[olive nest]

Noted because I have not done the pinnacle cache yet

Kong my savior

[minor gust]

Lmao

[onyx robin]

not true in my case

i grabbed the spark then went for the 100 disk fragment quest

got it in there no problem

[midnight mural]

disregard what i said i was being dumb (i did the timewalkign weekly, not the meta quest weekly)

[eager sigil]

xd

[sacred zodiac]

put them i nthe explosion chamber

[minor gust]

Explode

[weak wave]

I only have one full spark. W

Where do we get the 2nd from?

[reef glade]

I def did quest then got my 100 disc frags and got second half spark after

Tho it wasn’t from the cache itself I think just gave it to me on quest completion

[weak wave]

Hmm I'll check later

Ahh all okay. Found the other one

[glossy tusk]

people who used up their crests are sad xd

[minor gust]

I wouldn't craft right now even if I had the crests or not

[vernal pilot]

Why's that

[charred brook]

If youre going to play arms all prog then i wouldnt craft

i would wait for next vault

[minor gust]

Why the rush the answer of what to craft is still the same if you don't get mythic wep from vault you craft wep

[shadow ibex]

i raid sat/sun so im crafting

[charred brook]

if youre going to play fury its fine, because you will use the crafted OH until mythic BiS anyways

[minor gust]

It's Friday might as well still wait for vault

[tender lodge]

Send the spark or wait until tuesday on Myth track 2H

[vernal pilot]

Ahh, makes sense
So only if progging hard and/or even have something potentially waiting in Vault not worth crafting over

[charred brook]

It just entirely depends on your intentions for the tier

[tender lodge]

Ehh now looking at it

[minor gust]

I do too but we're not killing rik mythic this week so no need to craft. Can kill cauldron just fine without it

[charred brook]

If you're playing mostly fury, but arms on some fight, a craft is worth it

[tender lodge]

You still gotta do upgrades

[charred brook]

If youre going to just play arms all tier and not any fury, then wait for vault

Because then you could craft 2x thread linings

[tender lodge]

I plan on playing just arms

[vernal pilot]

I was only confused because Archi's guide on WoWhead says that Dawn lining is close pretty much equal to Ascension so

[minor gust]

Heroic bis is a better OH for fury than crafted I would still wait for vault before craft

[charred brook]

But, if you're playing fury like most warriors with arms on the 2-3 fights its good on, then crafting is fine because even if you get a mythic 2h in vault, you can just put your crafted in the OH because it wont be replaced until mythic cap punisher

Theres no way thats true

that a heroic BiS is better than a crafted w/ ascension

[minor gust]

Wep craft is for prog. A crafted wep is still 675 ilvl. Higher ilvl wep is better. That's why you wait for vault because if you get a myth track wep you can craft double dawn/dusk

[tender lodge]

Im in a dad guild with mid to late Mythic raiding so not really sure at this point

[charred brook]

Then I would wait on vault

You're playing arms and not early mythic progging

You're not in a rush then

[tender lodge]

Then I might even just send the two linings as Fury and Arms are supposedly close

[charred brook]

I would not do that

[wooden lava]

Wallife running 2x Bloodborne

[charred brook]

Because if you dont get a mythic weapon on vault then youre stuck with a heroic weapon for another week or 2

[shadow ibex]

where servers

[charred brook]

my fault ill turn them on

[wooden lava]

the only difference i see between walli and revvez is the crafted pants

[shadow ibex]

people in rwf are gonna make gear decisions based on stuff literally no one else is going to be affected by

[wooden lava]

and 2/2 bloodborne

[olive nest]

They have people that sim hypothetical gear combinations the entire time they are doing the race

Or they do it themselves

They specifically do things for the highest possible dps right now

[shadow ibex]

they also have access to gear no one else does

[olive nest]

They don’t do long term gearing for the race

[shadow ibex]

they are all like 460+

[charred brook]

Yeah im p sure the analysts figure it all out for them

They just gotta play it

[shadow ibex]

why they did X is irrelevant to anyone else

[wooden lava]

i wonder if they would've picked fury

if the extra shard had been available since start of reset

so they have 678 weap + 675 crafted weap

[minor gust]

OH is very minor DPS increase

[shadow ibex]

they are playing fury are they not in RWF

[minor gust]

You would rather have a heroic bis OH than crafted OH

[shadow ibex]

i saw arms on mugs was the first arms i saw

[wooden lava]

that's what I mean

choose to go fury again on Mug'zee instead of arms

[shadow ibex]

I assume it's for p3 damage

Fury sims higher than arms in bis and considering they played fury on sprocket I would guess that is true in their gear as well.

[wooden lava]

i wonder why such a big disparity between revvez and walli

[weak wave]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/diWccVFajU3CxPYtie9yQi
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/khxqb8YMpqBE75xvZotFz7
This can't be correct. Weapon upgrade from 655 to 675 is only a ~5% dps increase?

[minor gust]

That's correct yes

5% is a massive increase

[weak wave]

Meeh.. I expected more

[minor gust]

Idk what to tell you

[weak wave]

It's okay ^^

[olive nest]

5% is definitely significant

[weak wave]

I wanted 10%. Or 15!#

[charred brook]

i run storm bolt for a 0.1% increase

5% is huge

[weak wave]

😛

[minor gust]

You mean 0.01% increase

[charred brook]

yeah

[wooden lava]

if it was that big of an upgrade

u wouldnt be a human til u get a weap

[weak wave]

ppl are still using the old trinkets? Oo

[charred brook]

ye i still got a sacbrood

[old urchin]

Same. Sac and Shard have been simming higher than anything that has dropped yet for me.

[weak wave]

Guess I will restore them...

[old urchin]

I mean sim it and see.

[shadow ibex]

mark of khard is hard to replace

there isnt any other 90 second trinkets except 1

[minor gust]

Top gear sim every new item you get no reason to just randomly equip and then delete

[shadow ibex]

nah i deleted signet

i didnt even look

[minor gust]

Well that's different I would too

Fuck 2 minutes

[weak wave]

I never simmed gear like that. Guess thats a new one for me

[minor gust]

It's the main way to sim gear

[charred brook]

@magic canopy whats your take on why they playing double arms on mug vs no warrior on one armed

whens the video

[minor gust]

The only things you need to get used to using is Top gear and Droptomizer

[charred brook]

my guess is its just because of the adds on one armed basically

[shadow ibex]

one armed p3 wasnt a race i guess

[weak wave]

Hmm okay.. They are not better 😦
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/qR5aAedEvaEhv6PrteKz6F

[shadow ibex]

or p2 i mean

[charred brook]

well its an important execute phase, but i believe the adds were the wall for that fight

[shadow ibex]

and yea we legit cant do add dmg while using ST

[minor gust]

Not important enough to need a warrior

[shadow ibex]

mutually exlusive p much

[magic canopy]

monks explode adds arms doesnt

[thick kelp]

Add damage was the real check, not execute dmg ( affli and fire have decent execute dmg)

[charred brook]

exactly what i figured then

[shadow ibex]

make cleave baseline

and maybe

[charred brook]

need for execute did not outweight the add damage prio

[shadow ibex]

but even then u need WB and cd

[magic canopy]

ah yes fire execute free spread cleave and more defensives then 45 armadillos

[charred brook]

we dont talk about mages

[magic canopy]

blizzards golden child

tbh i need to watch more of liquid and echos prog

to get a feel for the diferances between the guilds and comps

[dreamy egret]

I wish i had gotten 639 sack

[wooden tide]

anyone else dc and cant log in?

[dreamy egret]

but only 639 khad and skarm

[magic canopy]

i havent been able to log in for a while

[sharp rivet]

which is the slot we don't make tier? Chest?

[magic canopy]

blizz auth servers go boom

[magic canopy]

fury prefers legs offpiece arms prefers helm offpiece

[sharp rivet]

thx

[magic canopy]

regardless this early into a patch you make do with what you can get

[charred brook]

hoiw many things can go wrong for NA during RWF this time around

[sharp rivet]

yup - only got two charges though so was wondering what piece to avoid (not getting anyting from raid so reliant on catalyst)

[charred brook]

Login issues, Instance Issues, door stuck issues, extra sparks on random characters, extended maintenance, power outages

The fact that they are even close to each other is crazy at this point

[dreamy egret]

oh also 3x killing of mythic gallywix by exploiters.

[tacit crystal]

be me when i cant login ot the game

[charred brook]

whats the over/under that those exploiters sent info to any of the RWF guilds

about secret phase

[magic canopy]

gives me time to enjoy the new apothecary diaries episode

[dreamy egret]

they were oneshotting it too fast with superhero punches to find out a secret phase

[wooden lava]

what secret phase, they just one shot the boss using the ability

[charred brook]

my wife just put me on this show im on ep 3

its prety good

[magic canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-maomao-猫猫-xiao-mao-gif-12080507476447846296

[dreamy egret]

there was a video released.

[charred brook]

im trying to convince her to finish SLF season 2

[magic canopy]

maomao the goat

[wooden lava]

ur the boy, but ur also an unrepentant weeb

[charred brook]

im about to stop waiting for her and binge the rest

[magic canopy]

SLF has quickly become one of my favorites

[charred brook]

yeah i love that show man, and the manga stuff ive seen is really good

[strange perch]

redpill me on BIS crafted 2h weapon config please

[magic canopy]

im going for the long game

[wooden lava]

I was surprised SLF later seasons kept the action scenes consistent

[magic canopy]

and the issue for me is if i get ANY mythic weapon crafted dies basically

[tacit crystal]

hi i cant login

[wooden lava]

I thought it'd be another OPM S2 issue

[magic canopy]

windbreaker S2 also made by the same people who did S1

very good very happy

[wooden lava]

also the OPs for SLF hit hard af

[charred brook]

absolutely

[magic canopy]

RED OR GREEN

[charred brook]

lets talk about SL intro

man LISA always hits

that mf SLAPS

[magic canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/oikatzo-angry-shangri-la-frontier-unique-frustrated-dontdox-gif-12965056098118470861

mfw CRITCAKE IS BANNED

FREECRIT

[charred brook]

me when i log into a banned screen

[twin hazel]

So I have a crafted 2 hand axe from S1, I can upgrade it , I don't need to switch to maces do I?

[charred brook]

yeah you can just upgrade it

[twin hazel]

I read something about maces being more powerful? Wrong?

[broken arrow]

Nah, weapon type does not matter at all.

[twin hazel]

kk thx!

[rancid solstice]

All the weapon types are the irrelevant just make sure it has strength

[dire hinge]

all weapons are normalized, there's no difference between them as long as the weapon itself doesn't have an on-hit effect baked into it

[eager nexus]

The auto ban system has become insane

[spark silo]

FREECRIT

[eager nexus]

To the point where they legit just autoclose appeals and threaten you with account closure if you try to keep the appeal process going.

[shadow ibex]

plz let me in server

[empty pike]

Guys, what can we do to help Criticake?

[shadow ibex]

it worked

[scenic sequoia]

WHAT HAPPENED

[olive nest]

Perm banned

Falsely

[strange perch]

who got banned?

[dreamy egret]

anyone need a weapon?

[twin hazel]

💯

[boreal quartz]

0.25 revvez

[dreamy egret]

cant get hero track boots, or gloves to shave my wife though

[strange perch]

https://raider.io/characters/eu/tarren-mill/Revvez

?

[thick kelp]

0.25

[boreal quartz]

only quarter of him

[astral yarrow]

not even at this point have i done anything

[magic canopy]

what is that

[boreal quartz]

old lore

[tribal ember]

How difficult would a t11 delve be as 642 arms

[boreal quartz]

try it

[faint fog]

get ready for pucker moments

[tribal ember]

[naive sage]

You can wield a lot of weapons with 642 arms, pog

[tribal ember]

Lel

[rancid solstice]

I did one in 20min as 642 fury, thane is beefy with the DR

[tropic eagle]

You can do it but it takes long

Will hve to sit and wait for dbts for packs and stuff

[tribal ember]

Gotcha

[wooden lava]

lmaooooooooooooooooooo

[shadow ibex]

mobs melee for a cpl mil

[visual fern]

Roninx Lorelist?

[cloud gyro]

its easy just play tank brann

[thick kelp]

@boreal quartz drop the ronin screenshots

[boreal quartz]

check tmy

i posted like 15

[boreal quartz]

ye

[shadow ibex]

[olive nest]

Bro ronin lore is good

[olive nest]

[shadow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/whose-man-is-this-point-asking-why-desus-and-mero-gif-16082603

[visual fern]

Bro I can't believe

I missed the unhinged roninx arc

[olive nest]

Put ronin and roidstack back in fury chat pls

[magic canopy]

heres the ting ronin looks absolutely batshit which is funny

roidstack just posted his +8 keys doing 20% more damage then people 15 ilvl lower then him

[fresh spire]

based advice all while he has anime pfp

[halcyon breach]

I really should go open a youtube channel I think

[wanton sierra]

hey man i got 2 sparks, should i craft ascention 2handed weap or should i keep both my already crefted season 1 embelishments (wrist and boots/belt)?

[fathom hollow]

crafting weapon worth it?

[olive nest]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/pDTkFprdCmbUGcoaXVp1D2

Seems like waiting for vault luck is the play

[sharp wyvern]

new copy pasta just dropped

[old kayak]

what im doing also

just waiting for vault

my luck i make something and get hero/myth track

[olive nest]

The only consideration is if you play fury in raid

Fury wants crafted 2h ascension

[old kayak]

gotcha

[wanton sierra]

idk we got some raid options with effects

[plucky jasper]

my sim says sending sparks on 2 armor pieces with dawn better than on weap. i'll wait for vault before doing anything, but is that the play to follow robot? or invest in weapon since myth option only from vault for me - primarily m+er, only pug raid n/h
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/9n7sDVHXhgq8FdiR7FkVpG

[calm hollow]

m+, 1:30 patchwerk? what is this cursed sim?

[olive nest]

Sim 1T 5minute Patchwerk “optimal raid buffs”

[plucky jasper]

lol didnt realize it was on 90s, just reran for 5m same results. and i'm m+ build 90% of the time, don't raid much. rerunning

[calm hollow]

there is just no way the 2 armor craft will be better than the weap, want to see that 5 min

[visual fern]

Guys just cuz we got given half spark by blizz doesn't mean you have to craft it rn

It's totally fine to wait for vault

[calm hollow]

i will def wait, i just crafted for my fury alt, doesnt matter there

[visual fern]

+$1k in the bank doesn't mean you have to spend the $1k down to 0 insta, yknow?

[quaint basin]

I think many people would disagree unfortunately

[plucky jasper]

it was a no weap enchant angle, botched it. thanks for fact checkin it gang. definitely waiting for vault either way though

[rare kite]

only way you craft right now is if you got myth weapon this reset. that way easy decision

[calm hollow]

[floral ledge]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/3BT4SSppV4n5zLTSGQXzut

[stone marsh]

Hey guys, is slayer playable in M+ or not really?

[olive nest]

Make a gear set with any 678MH + 2x dawnthread and compare

[twin hazel]

NICE Lakri

[floral ledge]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/1YAyWNEPzW61S56S3Erahv

i guess i put 80% dawnthread wich is not very true in this early patch so

[olive nest]

Even at 60% mine wants 2xdawn +678 vault weapon

If you never play fury whatsoever

[floral ledge]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/pPvgjr3eEeiVehx5BMhHRY

[olive nest]

I wouldn’t even consider crafting

[floral ledge]

the sim is bugged

i put 60% and i gain more dps

300dps more with 60%

👀

mine is always the sublimation

better

[smoky kayak]

TC against multiple targets

[rare kite]

depends what you mean by playable. you can technically play it, but you will sacrifice alot of damage. can definetely time 10s tho

[rain cipher]

When I send Ravager, should I MS? or Cleave and OP only?

[trim niche]

I find myself doing lackluster damage In single Target in Mythic Plus is that par for the course with Colossus or is there something I could be doing wrong?

I have two piece from this season and I was getting smoked by a monk that was 10 item levels lower than me

[sharp wyvern]

Monks do have insane ST rn

But collosus ST should be fine

[sacred zodiac]

true tier list

[tacit crystal]

where is philwar

[golden thorn]

if i have heroic best in slots and a 675 crafted weapon, which is the go-to for arms?

[dry summit]

Sim it

But last time when I simmed it

The crafted was better

[nimble acorn]

im getting same result even with a few minor tweaks - always wants 2x dawn over 675/asc. but getting the 678 weapon is obv the hurdle rn

[fervent hornet]

when in 2 target cleave, is rend not worth using while sweeping strikes is active?

[serene horizon]

sorry guys I have a question regarding the talent "unhinged", do I ever want to press mortal strike in m+ pulls during ravager?

like when cleave and overpower is on cooldown

[rancid solstice]

You still press MS during ravager yes

But cleave prio because merciless bone grinder ofc

[serene horizon]

thank you

[pine bone]

Are Raidbots sims correct? The circlet is simming low for mw.

[teal fossil]

Mistweaver?

[pine bone]

Arms?

[thick kelp]

yes

[quick skiff]

ARMS HUGE

[covert drift]

Guys is there a reason to track overwhelmed with WA's?

It feels i can't control the uptime anyways

[sacred zodiac]

you can technically control it a bit with specific executes but no you dont need to see it at all

[covert drift]

Thanks, i feel a lot of wa's are actually clutter

[tacit crystal]

im overwhelmed

help

[scarlet root]

wait you can get 2 sparks this week?

[tacit crystal]

yeah

#updates-midnight

[scarlet root]

nice just got it do u know what quest gives u the fist fractured

found it

whats the fastest way to get these titan disc

[halcyon valve]

Amen brother

[pastel tendon]

seafarer's caches give you tthe titan disc and valor stones.

[tiny badge]

yo guys quick question as im sorta new to arms do I just pop everything together with avatar and have 1 more roar/ravager combo before the full combo comes back up?

or do I hold anyway

[boreal quartz]

more uses >>>

[twin hazel]

rares drop 10 disc per

[cold crypt]

is there such a thing as too much crit?

[magic canopy]

ya

sim good

[trim pike]

does 4 pc change the aoe rotation in keys by chance? for more overpower or something

[cold crypt]

roger

wasn't sure if i should just hard stack it or not

[vagrant heron]

what stats are you guys using for your crafted two hand weap if you're playing both specs? (fury and arms raid purposes)

[compact lantern]

I did mine Haste Crit because I main Arms, so I don't mind playing Fury with that weapon

[tiny badge]

is this item a joke or how do I see this

[bold granite]

Trashmaster

[tropic eagle]

You are now the master of trash congrats

[dawn prairie]

i got a hero pacemaker lol

[faint fog]

someone mentioned something about being able to buy a extra delve

thing for tokens does anyone know anything about that

like making sure it has the extra chest

not arms related im sorry

[fresh spire]

The npcs next to bran in the main town has a bag with a key

Additional keys fragments can be obtained from the worldsoul echos as well as world quests sometime have them. Worth keeping eye out.

Think keys are also purchasable from the vendors near bran for 2k. Though I don't remember the requirement to be able to buy them.

[tropic eagle]

You can also buy an echo locator for 2k coin to guarantee a map

It gives you underpin invade and he drops a map so you can get a HC piece

[faint fog]

cool ty

[nova marsh]

It's near the end of the seasons delver track

[strange perch]

buying them is halfway, near end is the half price on keys

[nova marsh]

Ahhh okay

It's been a while since I had to get em

[strange perch]

i think it was different last season

[tacit crystal]

@edgy solstice another banger tweet brother

[sacred ore]

Is the 2h crafted weapon bis over a mytth track 2h from m+? I wanted to know if I should just craft the weapon now or wait to see what I get out of my Vault.

[boreal thicket]

I have a question regarding the rotation/opening which I don't quite understand.
Why does every rotation breakdown show Thunderous Roar being used before Colossus Smash? To me it seems much better for TR to be used right after to buff the entire duration of it...🤔

[minor gust]

TR dot will be buffed after you apply CS and ava

the intial hit is not worth spending a global inside your cds

[tiny badge]

is this repeatable

[tired pecan]

Save ravger for big cleave? Or use on opening

Is the 50% worth it

[hollow plover]

how much do we fw wolfdisco?

[shadow ibex]

maybe blizzard sees the fucking slayer arms warrior playing ravager on rwf

[sour forge]

No

We are capped at 1 map a week

[tiny badge]

shame, mate used the item once so I hoped to buy it too

[dry summit]

Do you guys think going gloves over helm is worth it for tier piece if you had a choice? gloves has versa but massive amount of haste

[hollow plover]

ravager + execute stonks under 35%

📈

imagine being in execute phase and then spinning for 6 seconds doing mediocre damage

couldnt be me

[tiny badge]

how many spark fragments are we supposed to be on this week, I got 2 and just today got the quest to turn in 1 fragment to gain another. Yet I cannot get any fragment to drop

[hollow plover]

if you didnt abuse the bug, 4 fragments, meaning 2 whole sparks

bug abusers have 5

[tiny badge]

bruh I can't even get the third to drop

whats going on

[hollow plover]

wdym you cant get it to drop

[hollow plover]

its guaranteed from specific locations

[tiny badge]

ive done zone events, disc fragments, dungeons

nowhere

nothing out of caches

[hollow plover]

then you possibly forgot to do it week 1?

[tiny badge]

it doesnt allow catch up?

[hollow plover]

no?

[tiny badge]

there's the issue

ty

[hollow plover]

your welcome

(I recommend doing the weekly casual activites on all characters if you're actively progging)

[tiny badge]

uh not that bothered, i missed week 1

I just do m+ anyway, if there's no catchup for crafts then so be it

we dont craft weapon do we, why does it feel good and bad to have a "best-in-slots" at champ level

good problems?

[hollow plover]

mythic weapon drop random, craft not random

craft until you get myth weapon

(most likely wisest choice)

if you get a myth weapon

use crafted in offhand

for fury

if u off-spec for fury bosses

or theater of pain

[tiny badge]

thats a good idea

theater is a fury dungeon? :>

[hollow plover]

absolutely

[tiny badge]

i thought it just hated casters in general

[hollow plover]

theres a lot of packs with less than 5 targets

not many opportunities for arms to outperform fury's consistent 5 target cleave in that key

Now, arms can outperform

[smoky kayak]

it's a shitload of versatility (double budget instead of two separate stats)

[hollow plover]

but I'd personally argue that fury's superior boss damage makes it a better spec in that key

[tiny badge]

yeah fair, I dont like ToP, edit: i like killing my pug teammates

[tiny badge]

got it thanks

[thick hamlet]

how do i get my hands on funhouse lens? is the underpin even farmable like that?

[hollow plover]

random delve drop innit

one delvers map per week

and uh

bountiful chests

tier 8

for champion track

[novel fog]

Arms better than fury right now?

[hollow plover]

at what

[edgy solstice]

dying

[sour forge]

Arms feels better for giga pull dungeons

[novel fog]

overall. Like is it the better spec for dps rn? better in m and raid?

[hollow plover]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ceyvVjvkNFAZUAN97voSmH

why tf does it prefer me wearing mastery haste

over

crit haste

belt

before belt decision: 8.7k crit, 9.1k mast, 19.5k haste

[covert drift]

from what i've read arms and fury are pretty strong and about equal on raids

arms pull ahead of fury on m+

but not by a lot

[strange perch]

How much does 4 set up your damage? Usually there is a spreadsheet, is there one?

[hollow plover]

the 4set bonus in a vacuum adds 8%

plusminus

compared to no set

same stats

[cobalt sinew]

if a trinket is not listed on the patchwerk on the bis page is it assumed to just be unrepentant garbage

[hollow plover]

just sim it brother

see if its good for you

keep all trinkets in inventory due to possible balance changes

[cobalt sinew]

i mean im not gonna get rid of it i just doubt the noggenfogger deluxe is going to have its day in the sun

[hollow plover]

well..yea

[minor gust]

because you dont need a lot of Crit for slayer

[hollow plover]

well yea but i dont see how it gets (slightly) outperformed by mastery

makes no sense to me

[minor gust]

Mastery is a good stat

I dont see why your confused

[tacit crystal]

hi

[minor gust]

Hi Gio

[tacit crystal]

im starting to think i need to gear for colo only

i have too much haste

[hollow plover]

good, but outperforming crit type good? ionno bout that one

[weak wave]

I got 41% crit and 20% haste yesterday in raid. Felt a bit slow. Would you go for less crit?

[minor gust]

sim

[tacit crystal]

^

that sounds good for colo not slayer

but robot

[weak wave]

But Stat weights are outdated sais the Homepage

[tacit crystal]

we are saying to sim gear

not stats

[weak wave]

Oh okay

I see

[dusky osprey]

Recrafted my wep, but it says nerub embelishment

doesn't that work anymore?

[minor gust]

get new piece of gear sim in top gear. Want to know what upgrades to look for use droptomizer

[weak wave]

I will 🙂

[slow saddle]

Its always said thay

[weary hull]

bro is trying to argue with a robot

got me dead and shet

💀

[hollow plover]

im tryna understand it since just about every single previous iteration of sims and sim spreadsheets that ive seen prefered crit even as slayer

[silk spade]

diminishing returns

[hollow plover]

zhai did you even check the context or are you just yapping to yap

[silk spade]

I did

there is no mystery

[hardy marten]

He has more mastery than crit so saying "diminishing returns" and closing the case seems a bit odd

[eager sigil]

it sims more because it does more damage

hope this helps

[minor gust]

[magic canopy]

our tier set gives us a ton of haste

at a certain point mastery which is also just %damage is very good

[minor gust]

Crit also = more rage but what do we even need that rage for these days

[magic canopy]

DBTS+Intervene

infinite rage hack

[wooden lava]

inb4 ur tank moves the mobs and u get one shot

if that ever happens, clip it for me Madox

[magic canopy]

oh im sure it will

[swift crown]

Mastery is just... a good stat for Arms

Idk what to tell you

[fathom hollow]

is there an option on raidbots that auto upgrades all gear u are trying to sim

[swift crown]

Yes

Should be near the top

[fathom hollow]

ty

[quasi torrent]

number good

[minor gust]

hes just a chill stat

[boreal quartz]

@tacit crystalmy shit sticky

[tacit crystal]

@strange perch can you warm @boreal quartz

[boreal quartz]

@tacit crystaldude we did 11 rookery with pauckdh

excellent fun

[tacit crystal]

did he slur someone

if not

was not a pauck key

[boreal quartz]

it was full premade

[tacit crystal]

pauck

philarms

tmy???

[boreal quartz]

nah

[tacit crystal]

myrtuu??

[boreal quartz]

some m+ers i know well

no warriors

[tacit crystal]

gg

no fun

[boreal quartz]

how is this legal

[tacit crystal]

just srts up gank and explodes someoen

what else

[boreal quartz]

this is a pro game man

[tacit crystal]

yeah

[boreal quartz]

[tacit crystal]

mad?

[boreal quartz]

ehh

i like the HLE team

[tacit crystal]

imagine if it was baus vi

[boreal quartz]

baus vi would be 1/11

[tacit crystal]

it would be 2/20

ya

[strange perch]

okay

blizzard please unban me

[boreal quartz]

😳

[strange perch]

from twitch tv

[tacit crystal]

how are uou banned on twitch

[boreal quartz]

tmy fault

[tacit crystal]

@dull siren TEAH UHHMMMMM WHYYYYY?????

[strange perch]

banned from wowhead banned from twitch ... wow = bad...

[tacit crystal]

tmy for the winny

[strange perch]

tea uhm why

[tacit crystal]

those who pauck

[boreal quartz]

those who goon

[strange perch]

mows who goat

[boreal quartz]

we need to play league of legends: arena

[strange perch]

come 11 top

[boreal quartz]

riight meow?

[strange perch]

NOW

[tacit crystal]

im slacking

i only have 2 11s timed

[boreal quartz]

i have one 11

and like an 8 on score

[quasi torrent]

you need to log tf out

[strange perch]

are you coming or not i need to know

[boreal quartz]

no

i need to take a shit still

[strange perch]

oki

[boreal quartz]

or i cant play well

[quasi torrent]

bro did not stay unsubbed

loser

[tacit crystal]

loser

[boreal quartz]

double first

[boreal quartz]

i didnt resub

i cancelled the 6 monther at a bad timing

[quasi torrent]

this is why i never 6 monther

[tacit crystal]

cope

[quasi torrent]

id rather lose 1 kebab every 4 months

[boreal quartz]

yea i thnk it was a missplay

april it expires

so i do 3k then prolly stop idk yet

i am 99,9% sure since i dont have raid and i usually am not interested big in io i will not press sub button again

[swift crown]

Trick is to extend with gold before it auto-resubs

then you get all the funny mounts without the extra time

[quasi torrent]

trick is to not care about those dogshit mounts 👍

dont think ive liked a single one of the 6 month bonus mounts

[boreal quartz]

i like the blue owl

not that i use it but its kinda cool

[quasi torrent]

the red owl is just better

blue owl looks like it ate too many crayons

[boreal quartz]

yea i only really use red + the weird timewalking dragon atm

cuz i am noober and stopped raiding before aquiring ansurek mount

[quasi torrent]

ansurek mount ugly as fuck

i traded it away 3 times before keeping it

cause no one else needed it anymore

[boreal quartz]

yea but id enjoy having it

maybe in fated

i got frank in fated cuz after ce we only recleared like twice 🧓

[narrow flax]

yo arms feels nice man

cinderbrew is fun af

[slow saddle]

Hmm

I did 2.9. But got rocked by a fm and a dh

Dh did almosy 3.7

[narrow flax]

damn

this was 8++

[slow saddle]

Was a 10

We had a whipe or 2 on trash

[narrow flax]

ah sadge

[boreal quartz]

need key to live a bit longer for mega dam

[narrow flax]

we had 0 wipes

[slow saddle]

But fury target cap. Is real!! In meadery

[boreal quartz]

man i did a thane rookery 11 and that shit only does 2.6 mil

prolly me issue ngl

[slow saddle]

Ill 100% play arms next meadery

[narrow flax]

feel like i couldve done more on this key too

but still nice

[eager sigil]

didnt pad on small guys before last boss enough

[narrow flax]

what ilvl u guys at?

me neither

no padding done

[eager sigil]

661

[slow saddle]

651 with old 4p

[boreal quartz]

655

[digital sky]

Can someone explain why we never take the talent fatality ? it doesnt seem bad to me in raid in theory ?

[narrow flax]

damn

[boreal quartz]

no crafted

[narrow flax]

654

with crafted

[sacred zodiac]

outrageous item level

[slow saddle]

Crafty weap

[halcyon valve]

It does no damage

[boreal quartz]

i am wearing a 639 eggsack and 645 claok

my char is in shambles

[sacred zodiac]

reasonable

im wearing a 645 neck

[boreal quartz]

test of might is shit

[sharp wyvern]

Ethical gamer

[boreal quartz]

my neck is 639

[eager sigil]

im fully decked out tbh

[sacred zodiac]

im as fed as i can get and im 658 B)))

[digital sky]

@halcyon valve thats a shame cause i like the talent 😦

[sacred zodiac]

play it then

[boreal quartz]

POV - horror

i need to go trinket jail

[sacred zodiac]

sim a setup with fatality and run it

[sacred zodiac]

i have großer roter knopf in my bags

[slow saddle]

Im usin 2 shitter trinkets as well

[boreal quartz]

i think ive done like 24 key or so this season

[slow saddle]

The goblin army 1. And the random mastery from delve one

[boreal quartz]

mega ultra lazy

[halcyon valve]

is that fury i see in our holy god given arms channel

[sharp wyvern]

I got priory,floodgate and ToP trinket

[boreal quartz]

its the last sim i had on hand

[slow saddle]

Fury is fun ngl bout that

[boreal quartz]

gear is almost hte same between the specs

[slow saddle]

Arms slayer in raid is just meh to play

[sacred zodiac]

die thane die

[eager sigil]

i collected all the trinkets at this point

[sacred zodiac]

i need to actually look up how to play thane properly since u play it on stix xd

[slow saddle]

Ah thane is also ok, but rough being target capped

[boreal quartz]

play with ravager

[boreal quartz]

clappa

[slow saddle]

I do

[sacred zodiac]

ravager is just bait

[eager sigil]

pretty sure on stix you play ranged class and prot warrior

[boreal quartz]

dude i rlly enjoy full st fury in raid atm

[slow saddle]

But juggernaut just feels so bad

[boreal quartz]

actual fiend spec

[sacred zodiac]

i cant get it to do good damage and rwf doesnt play it

[sharp wyvern]

Its the S2 DF gampley for fury and its awesome
Meanwhile arms is only fun in m+

[slow saddle]

Ravager needs to come in when in executie

[boreal quartz]

it doesnt always sim better tbf

[boreal quartz]

evil

[eager sigil]

myth lole

[sacred zodiac]

crest saver shrug

[boreal quartz]

non raider gear in shambles

[slow saddle]

Should be 1.5m!

[boreal quartz]

surely i can pug 1 armed bandito

[sacred zodiac]

and be a str carbon copy of house of cards or

[slow saddle]

Ye

[sacred zodiac]

get real

[boreal quartz]

x2 house of cards

[slow saddle]

Tbh priory should be 1.5m

[boreal quartz]

play cringus double onuse

[slow saddle]

[sacred zodiac]

priory group shenanigans are cringe

[slow saddle]

U mean 3

Bis is also a thing

[wanton sierra]

hey this trinket is good with colossus? coz i mean, it boosts 3 next hits, like demo! xD blood mallet says that trink sucks xD

[sacred zodiac]

big red button is not that terrible

[sharp wyvern]

Talking about our CDs ?

[boreal quartz]

idk xd

[sacred zodiac]

its only -16k from a hc cards 4/6

[vapid pine]

Has anyone had this charge issue in Motherload? https://streamable.com/6b1028

[sacred zodiac]

ye charge does that sometimes

get cooked

[wanton sierra]

interesting, i mean... tons of str to throw big demo seems quite good to me

[slow saddle]

Silly thing to press

[sacred zodiac]

its turbo ass ye

[slow saddle]

Problem is 2m cd

10k str.isnt to bad

[sacred zodiac]

house of cards or funhouse lens give you better stat boosts at avatar cds which is how demo should tend to line up

[sacred zodiac]

like i was simming a mythic trinket vs an unupgraded hc trinket here ye

[tacit crystal]

i have grosser roter knopf in my bags

[sacred zodiac]

banger

[tacit crystal]

thats how i read that

[grizzled estuary]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/tjP1YKpjEdetavZyytVrgu
T4 where T.T

[slow saddle]

Wtf is this?

3min sim?

[sacred zodiac]

661 with 0p goes hard

[grizzled estuary]

wouldnt 5 just be higher tho?

[slow saddle]

Dno at all

[grizzled estuary]

guild didnt want to lootcouncil

slightly lower on 5mn (2.115mln)

what prismatic are you using guys btw please? speed?

is there a general rule of thumb on the dps loss using a crit one or no prismatic please (like below a certain threshold of loss you'd consider speed)?

[slow saddle]

I just use speed one

[sacred zodiac]

idk the primary stat crit damage amp one doesnt make enough of a difference to the point where rwf plays the speed gem

[grizzled estuary]

yea thats what i read too but were wondering if i needed to check more, thanks

[sacred zodiac]

i heard that the speed gem doesnt stack with frenzied enrage on fury tho idk if thats true

[shadow ibex]

It doesn't

[boreal quartz]

speed is good regardless

[grizzled estuary]

thanks gents

[calm hollow]

How do you sim so low in 661 with 678 weapon?

[quasi torrent]

using that axe as arms is criminal

[narrow flax]

why

[quasi torrent]

looks empty idk

[boreal quartz]

ye its weird

that mog uses taeshelach + some tabard usually

[quasi torrent]

check set sir

[narrow flax]

ahh tmog xd

[quasi torrent]

💀

[boreal quartz]

when i use it mainly

[tacit crystal]

what is a taeshelach

[boreal quartz]

fire sword antorus

[calm hollow]

Oh didnt notice on phone

[narrow flax]

was cuz i tmogged it for fury

and switched it to arms and used 1

xd

[quasi torrent]

u can make it be set specific tmog

(goated option)

[narrow flax]

oh didnt know

nice

[boreal quartz]

is that new

[tacit crystal]

what does it look like

[boreal quartz]

are you for real

this one

[grizzled estuary]

no clue man, no T4 maybe?
if you have inputs i'd be greatly appreciated, u can find all in my topgear if you are willing to take a look

[calm hollow]

Yea missing set is huge

Tbh its not even bad without any set

[boreal quartz]

ye im psure old set would be better for them

[calm hollow]

100%

Maybe new char and didnt have it?

[grizzled estuary]

but this war popped up during prepatch so not even S1 set

[boreal quartz]

unlucky!!

[quasi torrent]

no?

that's like

wod tech

or some shit

[boreal quartz]

oh u mean

just using artifact appearance

[quasi torrent]

no

[boreal quartz]

or like spec specific tmog

[quasi torrent]

there is a checkmark to only mog for current spec

[boreal quartz]

aha

TIL

[crude hull]

I understand crit is now our top stat as arms, but should I have any certain amounts of haste still? Any soft/hard caps I should aim for or avoid?

[tall flare]

sim it

[crude hull]

Okay explain to me like I'm 5 years old

Which website, what do I click, what do I do

Cause I haven't much bothered with simming, ever

[tall flare]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot

https://support.raidbots.com/article/54-installing-and-using-the-simulationcraft-addon

[crude hull]

Yeah I've installed that, am on the raidbots page

Ran Droptimizer, got my best gear out of what I've got

But now what

[tall flare]

use top gear to sim different enchants / gems etc

and then just do what it tells you

[crude hull]

Thank you, will do

But there's no softcaps to aim for anymore? No base amount of haste we want?

[tall flare]

not really theres parts where haste falls off and a different stat takes over etc

but if u continuously sim when u get new gear it will tell you when to move your enchants/gems around etc

[crude hull]

Cheers

Also maybe a dumb question but do we just MS whenever it's off CD or do we still try to get 2 Overpowers in before?

[latent arrow]

what stats on crafted gear if we play both arms and fury?

[tall flare]

i mean prob sim it

but like one specs gonna be taking a hit

Hmmm, https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/me8XQtHsGQVoXzPu5XHkrH dont think i craft weapon next week

[calm hollow]

Well you didnt include the weapon ilvl upgrade in the sim

So ofc it wont sim better

[tall flare]

yes i did

weapons are 675

[olive nest]

#arms message

you should compare like that

to see your options

[calm hollow]

Hmm phone raidbots is weird

[olive nest]

also, its not necissarily the best option to spend guilded crests on wrists/cloak

[tall flare]

thats how i have done?

[olive nest]

so consider doing the runed ilvl for those

you dont want waist though you would rather do cloak

since waist can give more main stat at max ilvl

vs cloak

[tall flare]

i have myth track cloak atm

so thatd be a waste

[olive nest]

ahh ic

then you know whats up

[tall flare]

i would swap to cloak in the future though

but got Myth Track Cloak and Bracers atm from raid crit/haste so that would be a waste in the shorter term

just fingers crossing for myth track weapon from vault

[olive nest]

probably a good idea eventually yeah but youll want to gear compare what you can do next week

[tall flare]

why you running Radiant power btw

[shadow ibex]

M+ farming

Better than depths

[sturdy flicker]

So torn on if I send craft on weapon

[olive nest]

ye I run a mix of aoe/st

I like to run radiant since i do keys alot as mentioned

[olive nest]

I would strongly encourage waiting for the vault to fish for a 678 MH

you do not need a 675 weapon this minute to achieve +10s or aotc

so dont worry about it to much

[crisp snow]

I think this is a mistake, how much time are you going to fish? Just craft it and see later on like in a month if you wanna swap it

You wait for 1 week, and then? 2 weeks and then?

[olive nest]

better to have options than be forced to take a cloak over a weapon in the vault

for example

[crisp snow]

Perma waiting instead of having now almost the best wespon

[olive nest]

becuase you crafted 2 days earlier when there wasnt a reason too

[halcyon breach]

No one is saying to hold for months on end

Just until the upcoming vault

We're half way through the week

[crisp snow]

Same logic then applies on wednesday for the next one

[halcyon breach]

Right, then open the vault on reset see if you get a weapon

If you don't, just craft a weapon

If you do, pick the weapon and craft something else

It's not deeper than that

[crisp snow]

You will face same scenario next wednesday

[halcyon breach]

You are definitely not reading what I'm saying then

[crisp snow]

Sparks and crests on inventory is lile not having them

[thick kelp]

What if I wont craft a weapon what ever happens Banezi

[tall flare]

You want face it next week because you craft next week

🤣

[thick kelp]

Can I craft then

[crisp snow]

Waiting for wednesday and not waiting another week if you dont get it is inconsistent

[halcyon breach]

Chief can you just read what I wrote xd

[crisp snow]

I read it

[halcyon breach]

Okay

Then comprehend it

[olive nest]

let this guy not be optimal

thats his choice

kek

[halcyon breach]

No one is saying hold your craft and fish for weapons in the vault for multiple weeks in a row

But when you're halfway through the week, and considering a craft, just hold the craft

[olive nest]

he needs his 675 weapon to do +10s

[narrow flax]

what is up with everyone doing tank damage in 8/9/10

[crisp snow]

Your logic doesnt make sense, you are mot gonna be optimal either, you wont get a myth track on vault and you have wasted power for an entire week

[halcyon breach]

There's absolutely no hurry in sending a craft instantly, and just play it safe instead

Ah right

So you know what you'll have in the vault before you open it

Sorry, I should've known better

[crisp snow]

Play it safe? You are gonna send it on wednesday either wat

[halcyon breach]

But you aren't

[olive nest]

yeah send crafts on 2nd reset when 2nd spark was supposed to happen anyway

for the most optimal dps increase

🧠

[halcyon breach]

Like use your brain for one moment

It will do you wonders

[crisp snow]

You can keep waiting and fish indefinetly and never use it till sesson 3 as well

[halcyon breach]

Thank you for showing your reading comprehension is abhorrently bad

[olive nest]

no one says to wait after this vault

[edgy solstice]

[crisp snow]

The logic of just waiting for 1 vault doesnt make sense

You either wait or dont

Why just wait for the next one and not again another week?

[halcyon breach]

You don't care about being optimal about your crafts and that's fair, you use your sparks however you want

[crisp snow]

That reason is the same of why u should craft today

[edgy solstice]

Considering a weapon can't be crafted in one week, and plenty of people don't play out a whole season anyway, among a thousand other things. Plenty of logic why

[fresh spire]

tanks are actually doing really high damage rn also

compared to previous seasons

[narrow flax]

true

but still

[edgy solstice]

Yeah bdk does 5 mil overall

[fresh spire]

expected of pugs also

[narrow flax]

yeah bdk is prem

but damn haha

doing less than a tank while being a couple ilvls higher

is interesting

[halcyon breach]

cannot relate

1.2 mill BDK in brewery

quite potent

[edgy solstice]

xd

[sacred zodiac]

Wtf

[edgy solstice]

Mf in raid build

[narrow flax]

my friend yesterday in meadery

[halcyon breach]

He was using Deathbringer so by default he gave up a lot of damage

[narrow flax]

xd

[halcyon breach]

And we timed

So I don't really care

[edgy solstice]

I've had 5 diff bdks do 4 mil+ now

Sanlayn shenanigans

[narrow flax]

yea

[sturdy flicker]

Isn't crafted weapon with embellish bis till we get mythic rare weapon

[olive nest]

it would be the next best option yes

oh wait

i miss read

[edgy solstice]

If you ignore what other embellishments would add and just compare weapon to weapon, sure.

[olive nest]

678 cantrip raid weapons > 678 vault weapon > crafted 675

[edgy solstice]

Embellishs are weak af rn though

[dim basalt]

I almost sent my 2nd spark yday but thinking about getting weap in vault and being able to craft 2x embel is just...too juicy

[tall flare]

Hmm dawn/dusk uptime is good atm

[olive nest]

yee absolutely worth waiting until the 2nd vault like it was intended this season anyway

[tall flare]

Ye I'm waiting for this

[edgy solstice]

It's ok but it's just so little stats

[olive nest]

if next vault doesnt have weapon then craft weapon gg

nbd

[dim basalt]

ye

[edgy solstice]

Idk why embellishs weren't buffed going into S2. I think the corruption stuff is gonna be turned into embellishs tho

[dim basalt]

Just unfortunate we have to wait so long in raid to get one

4th boss is sooo late

[olive nest]

not only that but blizzard just had to make the Best in Slots equippable by the int users

lmao

rip getting one ever

extreme luck required

until dinars release

[dim basalt]

I dont expect to get one before dinars become available anyway

[olive nest]

same its not realistic

[dim basalt]

Same as House of Cards

gl getting that one