#arms

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boreal quartz
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i will always think of BSL from DF

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basically never jug - youll use colossus with collateral damage

sudden fox
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No because it varies for everybody

manic pasture
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I have to catalyst charges is there a point of saving them or using them on shoulders and head

urban moth
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how much do we think we should prioritize getting it? like, is a Champ 658 Best-In-Slots going to be better than a Hero 665 or a crafted 675 or a 678?

boreal quartz
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If only there was a tool to check this

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To simulate it even

robust ridge
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What do you mean.. ‘simulate’, seems suspicious

boreal quartz
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You could have a robot maybe hit a dummy

vague nova
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Since I’m making a weapon first, do I need to save the first two weeks of crests or is the 60 crest cost staying from end of season 1

boreal quartz
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And like tell it how to play

turbid dock
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.com

vague nova
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It’s just two sparks then normal Crest cost yeah?

robust ridge
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I don’t believe crafting costs have changed, but you could just check that at the vendor I imagine

vague nova
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I am at work for another 10 hours sadly

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But thank you I don’t think they have either was just double checking 😛

ebon relic
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Y'all thinka hero track best-in-slots is better than a myth track wep?

barren goblet
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hello vault when open can? i from EU

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please help

ebon relic
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Yea, but i dont have either of them, was just wondering for the when it happens

barren goblet
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@boreal quartz

nocturne thunder
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Should I go for the weapon or wait for the crafted one?

lean geode
barren goblet
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@boreal quartz

opal swallow
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im trying to switch to arms from fury, any tips on how to handle mythic +? multi target packs, outside of cooldowns, do i Sweeping Strikes and spam cleave, overpower in between? opener seems solid then my damage tanks after

lean geode
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That build is slightly different from what's on wowhead, slightly simpler and basically neutral boss/aoe damage as well

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That doesn't include cds but yeah basically use them whenever you can (obviously not if a pack is about to die) and SS on cd as well

manic pasture
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@lean geode question for you, I have a hero helm and shoulders and 2 tier converts do I just go ahead and convert em

lean geode
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Will that give you 4pc

manic pasture
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no

lean geode
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Then no

manic pasture
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is 2 set not work

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worth

lean geode
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It might be, but if you send your catalyst charges on those and then get the helm/shoulder tier pieces from raid, you'd have wasted your charges

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Your early catalyst charges should only be used to lock in your 4pc once you've gotten two other tier pieces from raid/vault

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Then you can use them to upgrade to myth pieces as you get more over time

quaint otter
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ah yeah new rogue tank spec

sacred zodiac
quaint otter
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@manic pasture oh wtf second me

amber stratus
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What bosses are arms really good on?

minor gust
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Bandit and Mugzee

quaint otter
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Those who start at 35% clueless

amber stratus
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👍🏼

tired pecan
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how much more % is the arms tier set for the full 4 set vs 2/2 set

sharp galleon
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fellas does the Haste buff from our 4p stack or is it just 2%

stoic siren
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did one 10 and got a myth wep. is that bis or wis

minor gust
lunar remnant
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can geargrinders keys be macro'd?

stable fiber
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so you can get 20% haste from it

rich star
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h

regal dragon
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thoughts on Grim Codex trinket for Arms?

idle meadow
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Hey guys are we able to swap straight from fury to arms or is there a big stat difference

minor gust
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stats barely matter

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you can swap anytime

idle meadow
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Ok good deal thanks!

minor gust
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getting different rings and neck will carry your stat budget pretty hard

idle meadow
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I’ll watch some guides when I get home see what I need to change I’m mainly haste mastery atm so gonna need to stack crit and swap gems out im sure

devout pewter
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So, motherlode is pretty fun

minor gust
lean geode
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Can you SS from the goon to mugzee from inside the gaol?

minor gust
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I was not able to no

lean geode
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Unluckty

dusty sorrel
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is there a weakaura for tracking our Winning Streak stacks?

ebon relic
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When do you guys use your best-in-slots? I'm using it on pull with other cds, but then it doesnt sync up, do you just send it on cd?

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or do you hold

fresh spire
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If you have an on use trinket that lines with Avatar you send that with Avatar always and best on slots on cd after it.

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If no one uses send on cd with Avatar first and it lines back up later when send fully on cd

lean geode
dire hinge
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thank goodness gladge

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bad ilvl (tw cache), but lucky stat rolls

obsidian wave
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sims showing maxed heroic BIS > maxed mythic crafted Ascension wep? That's crazy.

vast tinsel
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thoughts on test of might

dire hinge
dire hinge
native obsidian
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BIS is very good, it's a whole additional cooldown

arctic iris
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How much does Second Wind's sub-35% healing increase by at very low HP values?

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e.g. if I'm at 1% HP, how much does it heal for?

minor gust
reef glade
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is that based or is that based

frank frost
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most sane WoW player

reef glade
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i mean he is spittin ngl

lean geode
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What fight?

reef glade
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vexie

minor gust
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My M Vexie parse last week went from 6 to 10 now

dusty inlet
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yo myth crafted weapon is better than 665 slots, yeah?

minor gust
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Yes myth track wep is better than heroic Bis

tacit crystal
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frozne bozo

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waht rank vexie are yoiu

lean geode
minor gust
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Scroll up

lean geode
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Unlucky

tacit crystal
minor gust
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dats cauldron not Vexie

tacit crystal
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yeah

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we celaring fast

minor gust
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I think its worth to do 10 seconds before if ur playing arms

reef glade
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oooo yea

minor gust
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ava for every clash is nice if your hitting both consistently

tacit crystal
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yeah turns out im griefing

minor gust
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Tbh I think I might just play fury for cauldron the 2target feels so fake

tacit crystal
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idk ish just gapped me so h ard

reef glade
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disagree chatting

tacit crystal
minor gust
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👀

reef glade
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is that details

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whys it look weird

tacit crystal
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log replay

reef glade
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o

vivid ore
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on Stix, as arms, do you ghuys iugnore the bombshells till they get gripped in and cleave them down?

tacit crystal
reef glade
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ok do i absolve myself of my duties as trash ball in stix for parse thoughts

vivid ore
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or do you charge em and get them down asap

tacit crystal
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me too

rapid bramble
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Arms is feeling really bad in raids today. Fury warrior in my guild is 10 ilvl lower than me but beating me on the meters every fight, when it was the opposite situation last week.

minor gust
reef glade
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did it 3 times chatting

minor gust
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gamin

tacit crystal
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unethical

minor gust
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PI!!!!!!

tacit crystal
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be me doign mechanics

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also that guy is getting pi

reef glade
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o yea i didnt fix my macro for that

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but think im just getting it naturally

tacit crystal
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@minor gust this GUY IS CHEATING

reef glade
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without asking

tacit crystal
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i think if i got pi on first

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i get top 10

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i siad it

reef glade
tacit crystal
minor gust
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Non consensual PI

dry summit
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Guys, i have tier legging of hero track already and i just got myth leggings in vault. but i would need to use a catalyst charge for it to remain in 2 set. the sims is telling me to take a myth track waist. what would you guys do?

tacit crystal
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do you raid mythic and think you are able to get mythic legs

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and is the waist from raid or m+

dry summit
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Here are the sims you can check

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Yeah i raid mythic

abstract schooner
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is there a WA for the tier?

tacit crystal
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sory im raiding

dry summit
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No worries take your time

high spindle
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Authority of the Depths or Radiant Power for raiding?

void bay
void bay
high spindle
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@void bay same here, but everywhere tells me Depths

void bay
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i just do what the sim says

celest magnet
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Remnant of Darkness is this trinket cringe? 😢

glossy tusk
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This happens every season fuck this game

near ice
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should we go 2 pc 2 pc asap as arms

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or just wait till 4pc

rich ridge
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does add damage on the 1st boss count on logs?

lethal stream
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i droped weapon and 192 k dps for me

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678

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192 k good or no?

opaque anchor
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seems swapping from 4p to 4p is the only viable thing.
swapping to 2p/2p is a massive DPS loss

crude knot
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678 wep or bis ?

minor gust
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mythic wep

empty nova
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Ive got KUjo trinket in my vault, its not on Bloodmallet (showing up but as 0). Anyone know if its okay or trash?

chilly isle
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House of Cards (HC) or myth track gloves?

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(i have 4 set)

dry summit
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House of cards 100% but i would just sim it lol. depends if you mythic raid also

chilly isle
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i do mythic raid

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im think house of cards as well

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since its probably more rare than mythic set

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especially with catalyst in the game

tender ermine
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Would anyone be able to help me with simming myself for my vault?

chilly isle
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Does House of Card and Best-in-Slots still incur a short cd on the other? And does the sims take that into account?

tender ermine
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With my second catalyst charge I could make a 4 set. But I would alternatively take a myth piece to catalyse instead which would maybe be better long term over a hero 4 set

maiden moat
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got weapon in vault, should i send my spark now for arms embelishment or wait for fury 2h ?

modest salmon
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I'd say weapon... wdyt fellow rage-starving warriors? 🙂

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already got 2P with LFR shoulder part...

visual fern
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Wep and not even close

maiden moat
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myth track weapon is in Vault 1 always a no brainer 😄

heady spear
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Does taking a Myth track trinket from the vault make future trinket upgrades crest-free?

bleak fog
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Had 0 uptime in game this week duo vacation.. Normal BIS or Heroic chest (not tier), got 0 tier atm :P..

robust ridge
idle meadow
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Hey guys I’m just switching to arms and was wondering is the spiky aoe build or the juggernaut better for the lower end keys?

inland drift
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Collosus yes

clever bolt
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What target count do we prioritze overpower over mortal strike in aoe collosus, for sweeping and non sweeping? is there a list somewhere?

quasi torrent
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u dont

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MS gives demo cdr

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and practically always there will be a big prio mob that u should be targetting with MS 👍

quaint otter
narrow dawn
cinder blade
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good morning guys, what shoud i pick from vault, i see that the 2 rings are biss, also i have 2set, shoud craft 629 weapon and pick the chest set from vault or go for rings?

blissful tree
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thats a shit vault

hexed snow
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No weapon sadge

empty nova
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Is KUJO trinket any good? Can’t see it on Bloodmallet or any guides

valid sage
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Sim sim and sim :p that will be The answer to about 90% of questiond here today

inland drift
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Someone pin that

void bay
junior spruce
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In ST boss fights outside of exec window, do we use MS on CD or delay for two stacks of OP?

valid sage
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Holy crap, my vault literally makes me depressed, at best I pick a mythic track version of the belt i allready has as hero track

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literally the best thing I got was a 0.8% increase 🙃

honest zenith
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best in slots 665 seem to be only 1% over my other wep if i upgrade it to 665, so maybe myth track shoulders in anticipation to get a tier drop from raid today to make 4 set is better?

pulsar wharf
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How's arms in m+ rn

scenic gust
slow saddle
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OFC

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i get Cloak

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malakas

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is it worth taking ?

grizzled estuary
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im so good at the game

slow saddle
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100%

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u got what i expecte to gain

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but my tactic is simple

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i CRAFT weapon in 1 week

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then week after i get it in vault

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works like a charm

minor gust
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fury offhand!

regal pike
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anyone knows why crit is simming so bad? All guides mention crit > all
I currently have:
9300 crit
16000 haste
11000 mastery
6800 vers

minor gust
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stat prios on guides are for noobs who dont sim

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Diminishing returns exists on secondaries and the sim takes that into account

regal pike
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Well it is not that Archimtiros doesnt know his stuff

regal pike
slow saddle
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Haste is king

minor gust
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the sim is correct

empty nova
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Crazy theres a current mythic trinket and its non existent. K.U.J.O one from Mechagon Workshop

valid sage
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my sims tells me to go mastery though, and I got 10k of it 😛 but ye, trust the sims, its math, math doesnt lie

slow saddle
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nono sims lie!!

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only use FEELY CRAFT !

valid sage
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haha yes!

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This is the way

slow saddle
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i FEEL like crit should be bis

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so i take crit

minor gust
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stat prios are just a thing of the past

slow saddle
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problem solved, then ill cry Why do i sim bad

valid sage
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Imma go full mastery, it told me to. And no - I wont do another sim after going a bit of mastery, now all my stats are mastery

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Bleed build new meta

latent moss
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if only getting mastery made deep wounds deal more dam

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well it does but its nothing

velvet vessel
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boys, big weapon for both, or pick mechano for fury?

hexed snow
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Weapon bro

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Do ppl not run droptimizer at all nowadays

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I'm 100% certain everyone's BiS is a myth track weapon

dim basalt
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Only had a tier piece, now a 4p gamer with 2 myth track + 2 heroic track pieces

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Surely weapon next vault

empty nova
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Got a Hero track of this in my vault. Anyone know if its good bad or garbage?

regal pike
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sim it

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probably shit as u need to channel and its not a stat stick

velvet vessel
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but yes weapon is the better dps choice atm

elfin kindle
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Long run mechano 100%

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Theres 7 weps in m+

misty scarab
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Are we dropping bladestorm for ravager at 4pc?

dim basalt
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You can for a slightly weaker non-exe but stronger exe phase

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Its even in terms of dps afaik

mint patio
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double 2set worth anything? or wait for 4

dim basalt
cinder verge
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s2 2set heroic for me is like 30k dps over s1 4set myth track

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on ST

dim basalt
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Does anyone know how I sim a droptimizer with specific stats on the bandit ring

dense vector
thick kelp
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did u sim the myth weapon wtih hc crafted duskthread

valid sage
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and if you take weapon and craft two items?

cinder verge
dense vector
elfin kindle
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Do we get second spark this week or next

dim basalt
chilly isle
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Anyone else experiencing Demolish locking you out from using any abilities for a few seconds after its done channeling? Probably due to undermine lag

valid sage
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ye its lagg, used it on the world boss

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was stuck for probably 10 sec

atomic mountain
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i dont understand how dumb lucky some peoples are XD

cinder verge
dense vector
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wtf is this trinket revvez is using

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recalibrate for WHAT

dim basalt
thick kelp
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its a decent trinket for locketspronger

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or whatever that boss is

dense vector
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im talking about the ass destruction

valid sage
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I also use a ton of ass destruction on my warrior

latent moss
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chatting

dense vector
regal pike
dim basalt
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lmfao

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I thought you edited it

dense vector
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no its legit

thick kelp
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Why does

inland drift
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does the wave scrambler still works to get a map in a 8 delve?

thick kelp
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the fury sim have 675 crafted wrists

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and arms sim has 652 mechagon shitters

velvet vessel
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because im stupid

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and didnt noticed it xD

thick kelp
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Also doesnt help that its 675 nerub patch crafted wrists

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should be dusk or dawn

velvet vessel
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i was using those because of crafted weapon

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will change now ofc

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decent arms sim now

thick kelp
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I would personally be looking at hc/normal reclear

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to snag a trinket there

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with the argument that you wont need weapon for arms from raid

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cuz u got mythic weppy vault

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U should be g2g with house of cards or kezan

velvet vessel
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i have this atm

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honey buzzer is kekw

thick kelp
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i would try to get kezan/house of cards/Lock-n-Stalk (this prio)

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from raid

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and then get mythic weapon

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from vualt

velvet vessel
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🫡

thick kelp
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unless you have a chance of killing stix this reset

velvet vessel
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mythic? not happening

thick kelp
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yeah

velvet vessel
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we are 1.5/8 xD

thick kelp
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try to snag one of those three

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on hc / normal

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grab weppy

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u have strong argument for that prio

velvet vessel
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im gonna get kezan

quasi torrent
dense vector
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kezan is pretty bad if you dont mythic raid right

thick kelp
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eh

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still good in shorter fights from what I simmed

boreal quartz
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@thick kelpi jump off bridge

quasi torrent
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im taking hole

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👍

boreal quartz
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im getting head

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99% sure

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fckn tank bracers

latent moss
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well not anymore

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but ye

boreal quartz
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2 bracer vault is still

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mega

rich ridge
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Did any of u guys cata charge bugged?

dense vector
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??

rich ridge
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We only suppose to have 2 charges

valid sage
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How do I get the sim to pick one of each gem for the "meta gem" effect? Or do we just ignore that tiny upgrade and stack one gem as the sim says?

rich ridge
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I cata my myth track helm this morning before work

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So I should have 1 left

dense vector
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2nd charge is next week

rich ridge
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But after raid tonight I went to cata my 4 pc and says I still had 2 charges

dense vector
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Oh wtf

rich ridge
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So now I have 5 pc lol

dense vector
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Lmao I wish

rich ridge
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I used it just in case blizz fixed the bug

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I was gonna save it lol

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No one else got the bug?

boreal quartz
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i dont rlly wanna risk it

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but i can try i guess since M track item

atomic mountain
regal pike
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sim it

grizzled estuary
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surely the mythic weap is a better pick than this trinket right?

quasi torrent
zenith lodge
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you know I thought getting to 2.6k score in the first week would get me into keys fast, but my god is this taking long, do people hate warriors that much

atomic mountain
pallid olive
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Hey guys i got a myth track weap (with haste versa) in my vault do i now take the weap and craft cloak and wrist with spark or is it better to go for a myth helmet and craft a weap with 2 sparks

quasi torrent
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sim it

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you can add items to your topgear through this.

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(its likely that wep + 2x crafts is better - DO NOT DISCOUNT ON SET CRAFTS CAUSE THEY HAVE MORE STATS THEYRE GOOD!!)

thick kelp
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Woah

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Anda not posting 7

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to a question

quasi torrent
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7

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idiot

quasi torrent
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49^(1/2)

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343^(1/3)

pulsar wharf
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!wa

sharp lark
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was so hyped about 2 m+10 vault slots...dont really feel motivated to pick a normal mode tier piece tbh...
take cloak and craft my 2nd spark into...something else?

pallid olive
sharp rivet
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The sim is telling me the ring is the biggest upgrade (1.6%) but rings are easier to get aren't they? I'm only doing m+ btw. Would the trinket in the bottom left be a better choice (0.6% upgrade)? Currenlty using champ rings from delves (funhouse and energy drink).

thick kelp
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Hero track rings are easy to farm

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I would probably grab the mechano core

sharp rivet
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ok thanks - this what i was thinking but i was not brave enough to do it without asking 🙂

naive sage
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There should be an ai bot which deletes questions that could be answered by simming lmao

naive sage
sharp rivet
naive sage
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Believe me there are hundreds of questions like yours every day

sharp rivet
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seems like a legit question to me

naive sage
astral yarrow
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its often slightly more nuanced but just lacking context makes the response always be "sim it" cause no one knows anything about what your prospects are for gear

sharp rivet
astral yarrow
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also, some people like to be told, not figure out

naive sage
sharp rivet
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thanks for the advice - im going to enjoy my 0.6% upgrade and not cry over the fact that i didn't get anything new to chuck in to the catalyst 🙂 Love my s1 tier anyway.. not bitter at all.

astral yarrow
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bitter is a lifestyle

sharp rivet
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haha 🙂

balmy kindle
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Granted this means I will have 4 pcs next week deadge

balmy kindle
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Thing is trinkets are a pain to farm

sharp rivet
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speaking of simming - im using 1 boss 5 min and 5 boss 2 min and then making a judgement on what to put more importance on. Sound ok?

balmy kindle
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1 boss 5 is good for ST

astral yarrow
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its a matter of what sim religion you subscribe to

restive creek
sharp rivet
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ahh ok - there are some specs where they actually use dungeon slice!

Why is importing routes from mdt not the best way?

thick kelp
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You need to optimize the APL for that

sharp rivet
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yah there was a dude doing it for sin rogues.

thick kelp
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to hold avatar and CDS, set more specific target counts for what rotation to do etc

sharp rivet
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sounds like work

thick kelp
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check time to die on the enemy

astral yarrow
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simming keys is always gonna be a toss up because no run is the same except if you're playing MDI or TGP

sacred zodiac
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hello blue spongie !!!

sharp rivet
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woh - so much spongie

dawn stag
astral yarrow
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Cyan and green exist as well

sharp rivet
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what's the story?

dawn stag
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what do you mean?

sharp rivet
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behind the cult of the spongie's

dawn stag
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its not a cult

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im just blue

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dont be racist

sharp rivet
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oof

sacred zodiac
dawn stag
sacred zodiac
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interesting for i have the traditional hamster wheel training while you were running on the left wheel when the objective was to go left

sacred zodiac
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spongie clears every time

dawn stag
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agreed we do

quasi torrent
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im woke

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u cant win

fossil thistle
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I literally just woke up what are we segueing about today in arms chat

austere hamlet
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Anything good from timewalking this week?

fossil thistle
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Normal cache

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Tl;dr average disappointment

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Which is actually longer… so not really tl;dr

sharp rivet
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we didn't get a new catalyst charge this week?

hollow scarab
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We didn't

sharp rivet
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i have one spark from last week - do we only get a half spark this week?

spiral coral
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Yes

sharp rivet
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ouch - im going back to bed

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i didn't get to raid at all last week and prob wont this week either - stuck with s1 tier.

spiral coral
finite timber
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hey, deciding between these two but i got 20+ runs of floodgate without the trinket tho 😄

spiral coral
burnt hearth
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Worth converting into tier, or should i go for the other pieces?

thick kelp
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worth

oblique lodge
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Did we get nerfed yet?

spiral coral
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Both Arms and Fire mage asking the same question lol

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“This is too good to be true, we must get nerfed”!

shadow ledge
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Well in keys, is it any diffrence as arms if i pop thunderclap to apply rend or bosses? I mean in pure st situations inside keys. Can i just pop tc and unbind rend or we lose something?

oblique lodge
oblique lodge
tall flare
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man i got best in slots in vault wondering if i just send a craft now instead of crafted weapon

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decisions decisions

dusk lake
sacred zodiac
fast nebula
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Is the arms dream over? Seems everyone is playing fury so far 😱

dusk lake
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Why? what changed?

fast nebula
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nothing just the streamer vibes

fossil thistle
sacred zodiac
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Arms will probs be played next 2 bosses

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Fury is just better for the first 5 lol

latent moss
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anyone got the

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ilvl image thng

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thing

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nvm googled it and found it

fossil thistle
thick kelp
covert rapids
dusk lake
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I guess it varies on many conditions?

halcyon breach
slow saddle
slow saddle
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Collosus ?

thick kelp
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and this will keep growing into a bigger arms gap

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once more people get their 4pc

dusk lake
#

Yeah that i foresee as well

#

My gear currently is fury-oriented

dull siren
#

@thick kelp

#

classic blizzard

magic canopy
#

what the fuck

dull siren
#

Only slackers can do it

#

Unfortunate

thick kelp
sharp lark
wooden lava
#

What's going on with Liquid on Sprocket?

quasi torrent
#

american

calm hollow
neon socket
spiral coral
dim basalt
#

When Fury and Arms do about the same ST dps ofc more people will play Fury

lofty elm
#

is there a tw raid this week?

wooden lava
sacred zodiac
thick kelp
sacred zodiac
thick kelp
#

Arms player didnt know the avatar 12s prepull tech

magic canopy
#

most arms players probable do not pre pull

sacred zodiac
magic canopy
#

ya

#

with the nerf rik should be an actualthird boss

thick kelp
magic canopy
#

id say hes def harder then what sikran was

thick kelp
#

we nearly killed him in a split mythic

magic canopy
#

but should die p quick

sacred zodiac
dim basalt
#

Is that so it lines for each collision?

thick kelp
thick kelp
sacred zodiac
#

Woke

dim basalt
#

hmm

#

12s sounds a lot tho

thick kelp
#

well first clash is around 1:18

dim basalt
#

Is that actually a dps gain?

thick kelp
#

One more set of CDS

dim basalt
#

Practically losing a full avatar sounds cursed

thick kelp
#

and after that all your avatars natty lineup

#

so you dont lose a cast

magic canopy
#

i mean do you wana do 175% damage during the clash

#

seems worth

daring heron
magic canopy
#

i dont think its worth as fury

dim basalt
#

But likely only really worth for mythic

daring heron
#

but i knew about the tech

slow saddle
#

AM u do have some cds everytime??

dim basalt
#

Where the fight is actually long enough

thick kelp
#

I was nearly 10th on the dps meter before clash, after clash i was 2nd

magic canopy
#

i think only arms is worth

thick kelp
magic canopy
#

i think arms has potential to be crazy, but it also is ver dependant on dps and kill timing

daring heron
#

yea kinda figured i'll prolly have reck and bs for each clash anyway

magic canopy
#

fury is very burr

vapid pine
magic canopy
#

they fixxed that

thick kelp
#

the bosses enrage now?

magic canopy
#

ya

#

at least i heard it was fixxed

vapid pine
#

Exactly, means more two-target cleave with this week's gear (probably)

hardy marten
#

the damage ramp seems to be neglible still so at least our guild plans to still focus dino over monkey and then finish off just monkey from 15% or so

hexed snow
#

Prepull 12 second avatar

thick kelp
#

First clash is at 1:15

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Lasts for 20seconds

hexed snow
#

Hi back after 3 mins

#

It adds up

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😂

thick kelp
#

You still get Avatar for the entire duration of CS on your opener

hexed snow
#

Brb telling my RL to make our pull timers 15s instead of 10

#

That is

#

Actually an insane strat

#

I've heard about 3s prepulls

thick kelp
#

Theres also the 5s prepull Avatar on Rik reverb for both specs

hexed snow
#

But 12s is new

thick kelp
#

to line up with canisters

hexed snow
#

Damn.

#

I gotta write these down man

dim basalt
#

My god

hexed snow
#

@thick kelp got any starts for one armed bandit 😂

thick kelp
hexed snow
#

That

#

Is actually what I have done

#

So I'm proud of myself there

dusk lake
#

Wait what 😂 what is this new tech

hexed snow
#

Do u Colossus smash the assistants aswell?

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Not the first 2

thick kelp
#

if u want to be extra cheesy hold avatar and roar for the add spawns at 20s but I wouldnt recommend this if u lust on pull

hexed snow
#

But the first 3 main ones

thick kelp
#

I just CS on CD

#

it comes back for the adds

hexed snow
#

Dumb question sorry for that

thick kelp
#

then you can hold your CDs for the adds that come at around 1:50

#

or 2mins

hexed snow
#

Is it worth to always focus lowest HP target?

#

As in execute phase the assistants while cleaving them on boss?

thick kelp
#

I just mouseover execute from the adds and spend EP on boss

#

with sweep up

hexed snow
#

Smart!

thick kelp
#

if sweep down I just send add

hexed snow
#

Smart smart

#

I'll take it with me

austere timber
#

With hero track gear, is the play to not upgrade at all, or send it to 4/6? dont wanna waste any crests

hexed snow
#

@austere timber interesting pfp

vapid pine
austere timber
#

sound

dim basalt
#

My war is 658 with a 639 neck kek

#

I just cant get the neck from cinderbrew

latent pecan
#

core

sacred zodiac
dim basalt
thick kelp
#

Cinderbrew neck sims as downgrade at 655 vs my sikran on arms :)

sacred zodiac
#

Get cooked buddy

thick kelp
#

I will be taking the neck from mug

#

for fury spec

dim basalt
#

Actually I havent simmed if it would be an upgrade, hold on

thick kelp
#

Crazy

#

chasing item you havnt simmed

dim basalt
#

I havent chased it a lot

#

So thats ok

#

Its equal damn

thick kelp
#

ez

daring heron
#

minus the proc

torpid jackal
daring heron
#

madness

#

get more offpieces and check with different gems/enchants angle

thick kelp
#

that would be the angle

#

If I got any gear

dim basalt
#

Dont think you can get more out of than equal dps tbh

thick kelp
#

you need to have a good haste heavy ring with low mastery for cinderbrew to overtake

tepid parcel
#

Sigil of Algari Myth track or Big Red Button Myth Track or Hero track Reverb Radio?

vast sleet
#

do we need to worry about keeping 4set active?

quiet heron
#

Hi fellas, i'm wondering how the hell this trinket can sim so high wtf,

quasi torrent
#

holy +50

sacred zodiac
#

Yoink mine

quasi torrent
#

<@&257983573498265600>

tepid parcel
#

Steanme?

hexed snow
#

<@&257983573498265600>

mild canyon
#

Always some fucking idiot

sacred zodiac
quiet heron
dim basalt
#

🤔

thick kelp
quiet heron
#

?

sacred zodiac
#

Bro link the raidbots sim

thick kelp
#

ah

#

you are simming dslice

#

kek

simple wren
#

need some advice: have heroic pieces in my bags that i can catalyst (have my 2 charges) and in vault i have mythic track gloves and heroic tier gloves as best options. not sure if i should take the myth gloves and catalyst 2 items or take the heroic tier so i get 3p and maybe faster get 4p?

quiet heron
thick kelp
#

sim

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st5min

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or like 5t 1min

#

but dslice is not recommended for now

naive sage
thick kelp
#

so before someone does that job its not recommended

smoky kayak
#

DSlice requires a lot more specific work to maintain that a lot of people don’t have the time/interest for

#

And dungeon route even more so

olive nest
#

There’s a way to simulate a dungeon route I’ve just never played around with that

#

Idek if it works for our class

#

I learned about from a hunter

thick kelp
#

that still requires the same optimization as dslice sims would on the apl side

smoky kayak
#

Yeah, it “works” for anyone, but whether their sim is dynamic enough to optimize it is another question

smoky kayak
#

Now if you just wanna see performance while throwing CDs on cooldown, then sure it works fine, but it won’t intelligently hold CDs for big upcoming packs or anything

slow saddle
#

Hands is early as well

simple wren
slow saddle
olive nest
slow saddle
#

U are here to play and hf

#

Why wait

olive nest
#

Man.. It’s so criminal when they do not have big 1:30 on use stat trinkets

#

Miss shard and mark already

slow saddle
#

100%

#

Well cards

#

But m+ pool is rough

olive nest
#

Yeah cards

#

We gave the first cards to a warlock with a 600ilvl trinket

slow saddle
#

All trinkets are 2m

olive nest
slow saddle
#

Its bis for locks?

olive nest
#

2nd cards went to unholy DK I didn’t mind that one he’s putting it to good use

#

I have no idea about locks tbh

#

I don’t pay attention to the wizards

slow saddle
#

Also bis uh ofc. As they ar3 also 1 1/2m clasd

olive nest
#

Yee that one was a good pick

#

Idk about that lock though

prime bramble
smoky kayak
#

I don’t think “accurate” is really an objective metric tbh

#

Which I know sounds odd, but the whole idea of M+ is dynamicy - how you pull, how fast you kill with diff comps, how you route from one run to another

#

All of those things change unless you’re consistently playing with the same group, the same route, and all performing the same way each and every time

#

What sims do is give you a baseline for comparison, whether it’s necessary “accurate” for how you might perform in a very specific situation (e.g. an individual dungeon) is kinda of secondary; the idea is just to give you a point to measure from

#

Which is why we usually go with either single target and/or sustained multitarget, get your results, and then extrapolate

#

There’s absolutely nothing wrong with dungeon slice or dungeon route just throwing everything on cd either… because frankly a lot of players do exactly that (whether they necessarily should or not), even if it’s not the most “accurate” way of measuring optimal performance

olive nest
#

Tbh for a lot of people including myself, holding buttons for the “perfect” moment usually nets less damage overall

prime bramble
#

Appreciate the full on response, just making sure I give myself the best options when gearing towards that goal of m+ performance

smoky kayak
#

TLDR: do a couple of sims, at least just ST and sustained AoE, then apply a little bit of critical thinking to determine how well any differences apply to your goals or situation

olive nest
#

I typically send on cd and do my best to adapt to what the pug tank is doing as the key progresses

#

And you kinda learn when the big* pulls should be so you adapt to that aswell

smoky kayak
#

Like if ST says go full crit, and MT says go heavy Haste, you can decide which of those two things you care more about

You could also decide that just going for haste and mastery is probably a good middle ground for both

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Or the same thing with trinkets, etc; I just got Kezans (pog) and I know it’s not really the best M+ trinket outside of ideal conditions even without creating a sim that accurately models dropped stacks

smoky berry
#

Guys what the heck do i do!?!?
The mythic wep sims like 35k more then the best in slot heroic.
can pick the chest and catalyst. Feels like i need to go fury now T_T

olive nest
smoky kayak
olive nest
#

You don’t need a 678 weapon for heroic

smoky kayak
#

Probably craft weapon next week if you intend to play fury at all, otherwise just stick with vault weapon and spend those crests on other upgrades yah

olive nest
#

But you want two 675/678 weapons next week for the long term game

smoky berry
#

i would like to not play fury tbh

olive nest
#

Then don’t play fury and pick weapon anyway

#

And upgrade it

#

All depends on your goals and what you plan to play really

#

Apply logic for your situation

smoky kayak
#

Then I’d prob take weapon; you can then start using crests/sparks this week instead of next

smoky berry
#

somones gona tilt from me replacing the best in slot afther 1 raid 😄 . but wep is prob the play for sure 100%

smoky kayak
#

Tier is nice for arms, but you can get it elsewhere and you can get another catalyst charge next week

olive nest
#

678 wep > heroic BIS

smoky berry
smoky kayak
smoky kayak
#

I guess you could run some sims to see what you gain out of taking something else today and crafting a weapon next week

#

But taking 649 tier seems wasteful and you can’t get full value out of ascendance without Writhing anyway, which will take 2 more weeks!

olive nest
#

I couldn’t imagine taking a 649 item when a mythic 2h is in the same vault

#

That seems wild

smoky kayak
untold skiff
#

îs this weapon any good?

thick kelp
#

its okay-ish

untold skiff
#

feeling kinda doing -dmg since i got it

lean geode
#

Deserved

thick kelp
#

if you press it out of combat its gonna swap to an int weppy

untold skiff
#

yea i got it on STR

thick kelp
#

Then rmbr to use the active part too

untold skiff
#

maybe its just weird bcs i lost the stats from before and now only got haste on use

smoky kayak
#

Yeah, it doesn't have any secondary stats to compensate for the proc, but overall you come out ahead

#

just a bit annoying to use because it shares a 15s CD with trinkets, so if you're using Priory, House of Cards, etc, you can't stack them

dry summit
#

In execute, when you press 2x execute and MS isn’t available yet, do you just OP? or would you just execute other time?

smoky kayak
#

simplest thing to do is just to macro both to Avatar (prioritizing stat trinkets first), and then just use the second with your next CS/damage phase/on CD

verbal marten
lean geode
#

Wowhead guide should cover that

dry summit
#

Cant acces wowhead currently

#

You would just slam then?

thick kelp
dry summit
pearl jasper
#

Colossus smash is a cone?

restive ore
#

Hi.
with the M+ build, should i use Cleave in single target?

mossy parcel
dim basalt
#

By a decent amount, even for us

split smelt
#

Hey guys, any recommendations for my 1st Vault? I currently only have LFR Tier Shoulders. I have 2 charges for catalyzing a Hero Head i have in my bag.

stable fiber
#

prob chest and catalyst, then hold the rest until after raid this week

olive nest
#

Assuming you won’t be killing mythic bandit for a chance at best in slots this week, or anytime soon for that matter

dim basalt
#

Now the question, did they mean myth track bis or just myth track tier piece

mossy parcel
dim basalt
#

Kind of a curse they named the weapon bis lol

#

100% weapon angle yes

#

Thats like >100k dps

mossy parcel
dim basalt
#

Not having tier sure sucks but in any case weapon is the best upgrade you can make

#

And also lets you craft two 675 pieces

#

with embellishments

mossy parcel
#

got it, thanks

dim basalt
#

Its about time 2h crafts cost only 1 spark ragey

mossy parcel
#

true & real

tall flare
#

i have 665 Best-in-slots but crafting two dawnthread pieces is 78.4k dps increase as appoased to a weapon with ascendance is 52k dps

knotty orchid
#

best-in-slots seems shit in m+

smoky kayak
#

why? it's a decently strong on-use, which is generally good for M+

thick kelp
#

Its like having an another on use for your warbreaker windows

tall flare
#

only annoying thing is it shares cd with on use trinket so thats the only negative

vague sonnet
#

Don’t we get gear tokens this season like in the fated season for the BiS

vague sonnet
#

Fill every slot except weapons trinkets and 1 ring

pallid umbra
#

Anyone got WA for new tier set? Like seeing ur winning streaks, when they die etc.

faint sparrow
#

Any good weak auros for this season or in general that are helpful for arms?

dim basalt
#

Icon glows with stacks >= 8 and plays a cat sound when jackpot triggers

#

(or the stacks run out ig)

charred brook
#

Or just let it do its thing

#

What do you think the variance would be

#

Right now I just ignore it and let it do its thing

smoky kayak
#

problem with seaforium is that unless you stop damage, that 60s is undoubtedly going to end up proccing at an inopportune time, like right before an intermission or something

charred brook
#

Yeah exactly

#

It feels so weird playing double on use rn lol

viral locust
#

quick sim busted for anyone else?

#

sim_signal_handler: Segmentation fault! Thread=3 Iteration=0 Seed=16184539066186118016 (16184539066186118019) TargetHealth=0
sim_signal_handler: Segmentation fault! Thread=4 Iteration=0 Seed=2070678606347013690 (2070678606347013694) TargetHealth=0
sim_signal_handler: Segmentation fault! Thread=16 Iteration=0 Seed=6030654656920517727 (6030654656920517743) TargetHealth=0
sim_signal_handler: Segmentation fault! Thread=10 Iteration=0 Seed=13517744603477435471 (13517744603477435481) TargetHealth=0
sim_signal_handler: Segmentation fault! Thread=25 Iteration=-1 Seed=11655914906184245047 (11655914906184245072) TargetHealth=0
SimulationCraft 1100-02 for World of Warcraft 11.1.0.59570 Live (hotfix 2025-03-11/59570, git build HEAD a93b62923a)
Simulating... ( iterations=100000, threads=32, target_error=0.050, max_time=300, vary_combat_length=0.20, optimal_raid=1, fight_style=None )

serene horizon
#

New to game, does demolish work with sweeping strikes?

gusty nymph
#

Amorphous Relic is great now for delves / M+. the uptime should be higher thnk 50 % in those situations, as long as you go out of combat after each pull... am i wrong?

chilly isle
#

At least i dont think so

#

Now im questioning my existance

thick kelp
#

first two hits do

#

sweep

chilly isle
#

So my existance has only been 50% a lie

serene horizon
#

should I always look to sweep before doing that?

thick kelp
#

if sweep is ready then yes

rare kite
tall flare
#

66.6666% recurring

slow saddle
#

I love how we expect arms nerfs when in reality we arent op

#

I did expect at least

smoky kayak
#

I think Arms is probably fine after Execute got got on Patch launch
I think Fury could probably stand a small nerf

opal swallow
#

isnt arms outperforming fury?

polar sun
#

only in m+

#

so far

#

raid I see only fury

weak wave
lime otter
#

is arms not fine in mythic plus atm? was debating to start playing arms as my alt

dire hinge
#

it's very strong in m+ 👍

lime otter
#

hard to learn?

visual fern
#

Archi stop the capyap

#

Warrior is in a healthy and balanced state (tuningwise ofc)

cold veldt
#

what should i craft with spark guys?

visual fern
#

ESPECIALLY Protw

dire hinge
# lime otter hard to learn?

It can seem overwhelming on paper, but in practice you're basically sending your major Cooldowns then pressing Cleave/Mortal Strike

fast plover
#

Would you guys take tier chest or gloves if given the choice and the sim is only a 0.05% diff?

dire hinge
#

chest has more stamina gladge

slow saddle
#

Protw will fall off above a certain keylvl

slow saddle
#

When u cant just revenge spa.

pearl jasper
#

Is the highest we can get the core amplifier champion track?

dire hinge
#

you get it on Hero track through complete RNG

robust coyote
#

should we ever consider using signet of priory if enough people are using it?

dire hinge
#

via either Delve8 Map Pulls or through your weekly Vault Slot for Delves

pearl jasper
#

ah okay thanks. Champion track will do for now then

smoky kayak
wintry arch
#

Delete this post please

livid current
#

Anyone else notice an upswing in invites this season? I've had a much smoother M plus experience so far

dire hinge
#

the joys of public perception gladge

viral locust
# smoky kayak link the sim

is working now, it was latest that was broken, nightly was working. But I've re-ran like 20 mins later and latest now works, maybe someone tweaked something and fixed it now

real birch
#

Any way to get better in m+? In most dungeons im just on par with other classes and I thought Im doing okay with my rotation - obvsly I am not.

boreal quartz
#

record ur gameplay

#

rewatch, review

opal swallow
#

warriors still need Blood Lust

true ridge
opal swallow
#

There is no plate user with blood lust, it only makes sense

shadow ibex
#

Just need Blizzard to say utility is damage

boreal quartz
#

gladge 4p aquired

lime otter
#

is it big dps increase for arms?

#

the tier pieces

#

i come from playing my fire mage and 4P was a 15% dmg increase there xd

tribal ember
#

15% sounds about right for arms 4pc

olive nest
#

Sims say 8% from none to 4pc

boreal quartz
#

+/-

olive nest
#

Probably fixed before I can use it tonight bummer

tribal ember
#

What isn't being exploited this patch jfc

eager sigil
tribal ember
#

Needed more time in the oven

olive nest
opal swallow
#

i wouldnt exploit, asking for trouble

olive nest
#

Yeah I always tell myself that and it always seems to go unpunished

opal swallow
#

you only have to wait 5 days

lime otter
#

is this already fixed?

#

the spark thing

tropic eagle
#

Yo! Skipped the siren isle thing...is the ring still bis for us?

tribal ember
#

For a while yeah

#

Go get it

tropic eagle
#

aight thanks

tribal ember
#

You won't replace it until you get a myth track ring probably

zenith warren
#

what is this shit, require spark is unticked

pearl jasper
#

Turns out I had one of our bis trinkets sold! Thank god for item restoration

lethal lodge
#

what is best to play if you have 2-set arms or fury? i haven't had time to look what is better after you get tier set and vice versa

#

somone who could give me a quick answer

rich ridge
#

Did anyone else get 3 cata charges?

tall flare
boreal quartz
slow saddle
#

2250 rio cant get into a 7 floodgate kek

pearl jasper
#

Is the mechanico amplifier still a top trinket? I heard it got nerfed by 5% this week?

olive nest
#

Well yeah because some 2600 ass is applying farming the items

olive nest
#

Does not matter

#

It’s still great

pearl jasper
#

ah okay, thanks

gaunt matrix
#

is anyone else finding the arms rotation really tedious ?

pearl jasper
#

Nood question. Do you ever delay MS to get two stacks of overpower buff or execute buff?

fresh spire
split cairn
zenith warren
tall flare
#

until i get house of cards

hard cedar
#

Is the damage from the Dreadnaught talent buffed by Colossus Tide of Battle talent? Nvm, seems it is. I see the tooltip number go up with more Colossal Might stacks

olive nest
#

I got heroic lock n stalk so I’ve been playing around with it but it seems kinda mid

#

It only does 2-3% of my damage

slow saddle
#

low key cant wait to craft weap next week

olive nest
#

Same

lime otter
#

just did it

olive nest
#

Lucky you grats

lime otter
#

ty!

#

unsure what to craft with it tho

olive nest
#

Weapon ofc

lime otter
#

i'm casual and can only craft it on 658 for now

#

still worth it ig?

olive nest
#

Nah I’d not waste the runed crests

lime otter
#

just gonna cost me some more gold later when i upgrade it to 675 but idc ig

olive nest
#

Wait for guilded

boreal quartz
#

Into jail i go

olive nest
#

Thankfully I don’t enter jail until Saturday

#

Raid today/tom

#

It’s actually a hella fun dungeon imo!

#

Momma is a awesome pad fight skyrocket big numbers

dim basalt
#

Doing 50M damage in just two globals is satisfying on momma

olive nest
#

You can prep 10 stack demolish and a big collateral off the first pull up the hill

#

And then absolutely nuke the first 4 adds on momma

#

Very satisfactory!

copper pasture
#

How are people crafting 2h weapons now

#

What do they do

verbal marten
#

bug

#

if u ddnt turn in ur spark quest last week

copper pasture
olive nest
#

Then you can’t do it

copper pasture
#

I can in alts tho

verbal marten
#

i wouldnt do it either

#

theres probably a rollback happeing

#

or getting remove

#

which means rip ur gold in mats and tips

olive nest
#

Normally I’d agree but they completely let it slide in season 1

#

Kinda bogus honestly

copper pasture
#

And what does one have to do?

verbal marten
#

bro cant read

#

smartest warrior main

copper pasture
#

Bro wants to risk

rich ridge
#

Someone posted this in fury chat

olive nest
#

Loot two spark halves before turning in the quest
Create the spark
Turn in the quest
Receive two more sparks
Creat the spark
Congrats you now did bug abuse

verbal marten
#

omg!

olive nest
#

<@&257983573498265600>

thick kelp
#

2 in 10mins

verbal marten
#

$50 steam gift!

olive nest
#

Another one

thick kelp
#

holy

olive nest
#

Free money is just that ez

thick kelp
#

not even a new guy

#

smh

olive nest
#

Wicked

#

Hacked account maybe

gaunt owl
#

dude i can never get the free gift card

verbal marten
#

too slow

#

i already claimed it

smoky kayak
# rich ridge Someone posted this in fury chat

I would hesitate to call it an exploit outright, but it is absolutely exploitable, especially for alts that are less likely to have turned in the quest last week, which is exactly why WH didn't go into detail on how to replicate it yourself - it's not something that should be encouraged, whether or not Blizzard decides to treat it as an exploit and take action against it

olive nest
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The “use at your own risk” is good sentiment

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Never know when Blizz decides to ban

valid sage
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sounds VERY exploiting though, would not risk it just to have a weapon one week earlier

olive nest
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People will do it anyway knowing the risk

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And that is entirely the problem

valid sage
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ye, and they know the risk

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I know the risk of robbing a bank 🤷‍♂️

olive nest
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Imagine 4 members of your 20 man raid team go up 3% in damage or something like that

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Just totally unfair in regards to hall of fame players

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The rest of us it’s kinda whatever

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Doesn’t make a difference

valid sage
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I would love to have a myth track wep now, but ye, not worth it to risk a vacation

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Have been banned before, though that was to botting as an idiot in Legion (damn those starflowers and all the gold I made daily)

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got my self a nice 6 month vacation there 😂

olive nest
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Lucky you it was 6 month and not perma

valid sage
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ye was a very clear part of the ban that said "do it again, we dare you"

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they also stripped my account of all gold made in legion

olive nest
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Oooff that’s tough

valid sage
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Was probably yhat PirateSoftware fellah, listening to him it sounds like he did all the banning back in the day xD

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ye was rough

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But as they say, FAFO

slow saddle
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well that bug seems to fuck me

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oh well