heyy, are we going pretty much full single target in Workshop like we did in BFA or just the same m+ build in all dungeons?
#arms
toxic socket
olive nest
I sent crests into 649/652 items that I catalyst to get 4pc
Worth for first week 4pc imo
Won’t need runed in a few weeks anyway so no big deal
wanton sierra
damn i spended all my runed crests on a trink now i droped an 2handed sword hero!!
mellow spire
Stupid question. Is it ever worth pressing cleave in ST (Colossal M+ build). Seems like it would be a better filler than slam when there’s nothing else to press.
daring heron
Only cleave instead of slam if merciless bonegrinder is active, and you don't have any martial prowess stacks
happens so rarely and is very marginal, so just slam
daring heron
pretty good
strange linden
pretty good
Thank you for your videos! You’ve helped me tons 😄
clever crag
Why does the guide place so much importance on jugger when its just 45% dmg increase on exe
daring heron
???
worthy tulip
Is there a dummy somewhere with higher health, or one that doesn't fall into execute range? trying to practice the non execute phase rotation and the dummy is dropping too quick.
daring heron
just a modest 45% increase on execute, no big deal huh
dim basalt
ye execute does no damage anyway
steep osprey
susge
steep osprey
ye execute does no damage anyway
half junco
clever crag
Saw it in the m+ guide I think, doesnt seem like a big button to press on aoe
dim basalt
Because it is not a big button to press on aoe
steep osprey
Aslo you're not using Jugg in M+ build
even if you did probably not a good idea
it hits 1-2 targets
cleave hits everything
arctic fjord
what's the minimum target count for cleave in colo m+ build?
clever crag
Thought we’re talking with SS up
dim basalt
With SS up you play full ST in 2t
mellow spire
happens so rarely and is very marginal, so just slam
Got it. Thank you!!
atomic mountain
someone evolved from 1x 2h to 2x 2h as arms XD
clever crag
Slayer feels like a non spec kinda. Colossus has so much more flavour
brittle fiber
Theyre both pretty flavourless. Arms AoE talents are just really fun to play around
broken arrow
wish colossus made us like 20% bigger instead of 5%
latent moss
colossus is cool asf
clever crag
But funny
latent moss
but demolish kinda cbt to use
clever crag
Yeah but it hits so damn hard its worth
latent moss
yeah i just wish we could move
atomic mountain
yeah i just wish we could move
just make it mob based and not player based
only thing why i play colossus is cause of the slightly higher surviveability
misty sandal
someone evolved from 1x 2h to 2x 2h as arms XD
Only elite arms warriors could wield such power.
stoic siren
remove the first two swings and just do the final blow as an instant cast
atomic mountain
icy mulch
Druid gets all the PIs. 
fresh spire
latent moss
only thing why i play colossus is cause of the slightly higher surviveability
slayer is so shit
latent moss
<:keks:936231610850897992>
have u seen the biz curse
prestacking cd and cm
wait u could do a blademasters too
place 2 dummies
ava ss stack massive cd and 10 cm
meld pot start key
hooooly
latent moss
meld pot start key
meld pot switch to warlords
cunning beacon
Hey guys. Asking on behalf of my friend. He is trying to find a good demolish macro to help him easily stopcast. Anyone use any macros for it?
latent moss
start key
u can leap during it
id rather die and get my demolish out than cancel it and live
prob does more damage
lunar remnant
Demolish gets me killed sometimes but I’m too alpha to cancel the channel
latent moss
idc if its cancellable
im not canceling it ever
its all of ur damage outside of mbg with cd
sacred zodiac
ok but u dont have to ever cancel it ye
if boss is moving u leap to maintain connection
sacred zodiac
if u get a microswirly just leap to the other side of the boss
latent moss
like if i can avoid dying
at these stats
im sure everyone can
just gotta think a lil
lunar remnant
didn’t know you could leap, other abilities cancel the channel I thought?
sacred zodiac
u literally cannot stop demolish once it starts ye
you are allowed to leap and use defensives during it
lunar remnant
That’s dope thank you sir
latent moss
peak use of demolish is the dr chatting
sacred zodiac
get a grip
latent moss
bro the immune
to movement shit
is bs
bee boss in cinderbrew
moves u
the knockback
so stupid
u can immune chains on idk whats his name in top
stark ivy
Hey I have a few questions!
Is slayer still worth it?
I don’t like ravager, bladestorm still viable?
If my mortal strike procs (glows up) do I use it immediately or with overpower first? Same with cleave.
Thanks in advance
lunar remnant
Slayer preferred in most raid fights, bladestorm vs rav is a very minimal difference so yes slayer arms is completely viable
you can find full guide in the faq section in this discord
latent moss
slayer in raid colo in m+
stark ivy
Slayer preferred in most raid fights, bladestorm vs rav is a very minimal differ...
Thank you!
Then I can play bladestorm again ♥️
lunar remnant
yup, you definitely can play BS for some people ravager isn’t even a dps gain we are talking like 1% type differences
stark ivy
And what about the procs? Should I just read the guide?
latent moss
yeah just refer to the guide
slow saddle
The fact that, rav id even close is a meme
latent moss
arms is just a priority list
ms if u can, op if u cant ms, slam if u cant op
with slayer there is a lot more to it
cause of sudden death but thats about it
stark ivy
Oh so mortal strike spam is viable? Even without the buffs
lunar remnant
The fact that, rav id even close is a meme
Hero talent will probably get a small rework in the near future I’m guessing
latent moss
Oh so mortal strike spam is viable? Even without the buffs
they did a funny going into this patch
ms buffed by almost 70%
grizzled hare
Is the priority list on the WoWhead guide updated then? Because it still prioritizes Overpower over MS if you got the reset proc.
latent moss
and before that they nerfed martial prowess (op buff on ms and cleave) and buffed ms and cleave baseline
580% ap
xdd
atomic mountain
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1042762634539319366/1053485451668901988/20221217_013459.gif
grizzled hare
So is it worth talenting into the Slayer talent that buffs the next MS after MS? Especially with the talent that gives MS a reset chance upon use?
slow saddle
Mby b4 4p
latent moss
nah i dont have 4p and my opp ops
grizzled hare
Yeah I'm still in S1 Tier set
latent moss
hit for 2.5mil
grizzled hare
Okay so Opportunist Overpower takes prio over MS
latent moss
over all
slow saddle
No
latent moss
not just ms
latent moss
the apl is made for s2 tier idk the s1 one
op if <85 mp<2 stacks and u have opportunist
the only thing above this line
is execute if jugga falling off
latent moss
ms is pretty low
opportunist smoothens out the rotation
does a ridiculous amount of damage
and stacks mp
slow saddle
latent moss
im looking at the apl atm
toxic socket
at what stage are people replacing S1 4P?
lunar remnant
I’m 2pc/2pc right now 🤷♂️
latent moss
nope on live raidbots apl
op with mp<2 opp up > ms
which checks out
cause ms is a potentially wasted opportunist proc
u always prio ms with both mp and ep
but if u dont have 2 mp and have opp u op
with fierce followthrough it is below ms
grizzled hare
Gotcha. Shame, was hoping MS would always have prio over OP this patch just because I love proccing Exhillerating Blows and I rarely see that talent get picked
sterile elm
Once the ring is maxed and I have the gems I want, is there any reason to go to siren isle?
broken arrow
mounts, transmog, etc. Nothing that gives player power
sterile elm
Thank you
fresh spire
Opportunist regardless of rage when 2 set.
Only rage check is for the ravager meme to keep sims accurate for it
Opportunist has highest priority as long as you don't go over 2 martial prowess
lethal vault
is there somewhere to find the % buff we get from 4 set? i saw somewhere that its an 11% ST buff, but im curious how much of an AoE buff it is with it also affecting cleave aswell as MS.
fresh spire
It's about 9% without ilvl changes from 0 set
lethal vault
9% to AoE?
fresh spire
St*
serene hollow
not sure they compared the tier set in aoe but the 4pc definitely has more value than the current tier
calm hollow
rog seems to be kinda strong? (6 Flood)
lunar remnant
Goblin rogue BiS this season
boreal quartz
rog seems to be kinda strong? (6 Flood)
Vdh is fucking cracked or
Damage off the fuckin wazoo
glossy tusk
does +9 drop 652 or 655?
eager sigil
Ive seen vdh get globalled tho
yea thats how it always is
strange perch
Can someone give some context on demo usage in ST and AOE? When do u use on cd or wait for 10 stacks?
quaint otter
balls.
halcyon breach
Damage off the fuckin wazoo
My BDK guildie would easily do 2+ mill overalls in most dungeons
In a Meadery he did 2.2 mill overall
Kinda funny though because most of their damage just comes from their pet, which when it pops at the right time, makes them do upwards of 8-10 mill dps on a pack
daring heron
what was the old stat distribution meme again
halcyon breach
My guildie does at least yeah
daring heron
was it 40 40 10 10?
olive nest
yes
steep osprey
Yeah
halcyon breach
Deathbringer just does a lot lower damage by comparison, but supposedly is safer to play
rancid solstice
Sick on use effect
wanton sierra
floodgate 7
frail parrot
perfect for week 2 warrior nerfs
fossil thistle
I did 1.79m in a priory 2 because the tank was single pack pulling
strange perch
Cant wait to be removed from the game in true warrior fashion
fossil thistle
If I pulled extra mobs he’d run away.
We also wiped 3x on last boss cause devoker and warlock were doing 700k dps (they ended 1m overall)
frail parrot
hoping with enough premature nerfs we can get doomer critcake back
shadow ibex
That last boss does so much dam for no reason
lunar remnant
Frost dk crit era was not it
fossil thistle
It does but it’s not that bad, my friend healed it in his 632 priest
icy turret
learning arms warrior; am I doing okay? ToP +4
fossil thistle
learning arms warrior; am I doing okay? ToP +4
Need to see an actual log, but depending on ilvl that’s fine
icy turret
639 with new 2 set
lunar remnant
I’m 637 and haven’t had time for m+ yet, what key level should I start aiming for?
gonna bang them out this weekend
daring heron
In a Meadery he did 2.2 mill overall
pre-4 set so 641ish ilvl lmao
fossil thistle
Start with 2s and go until you can’t snymkre
daring heron
rogue was 620ilvl no flamerino
frail parrot
hes a sub rogue, we have to flame him
fossil thistle
639 with new 2 set
Yes I mean it’s alright. It’s pull dependant, there’s the trash leading to the one boss that doesn’t have big pulls
If you’re not aware, you need to position yourself for the shockwave effect from overpower
boreal quartz
My BDK guildie would easily do 2+ mill overalls in most dungeons
Im out or the loop so the tank numbers are fuckin wild to me
halcyon breach
pre-4 set so 641ish ilvl lmao
I hate to admit it but you did only a few hundred thousand under what I did as Arms pre 4set
shadow ibex
I been playing with blademaster torment and it's kinda dope
daring heron
hoping with enough premature nerfs we can get doomer critcake back
doomer crit best crit
daring heron
I hate to admit it but you did only a few hundred thousand under what I did as A...
lmao
halcyon breach
I'm still too Fury pilled
fossil thistle
I been playing with blademaster torment and it's kinda dope
Big cleaveage makes warrior brain 🌰
warped idol
is next week catalyst or spark im lost
frail parrot
fury pilled in raid, but pressing cleave in m+ kinda stimulates my ape brain
warped idol
ohh you mean a shard
fossil thistle
Yea my bad 😄
warped idol
type shi
fossil thistle
Pre 4 set as in no new 4 set
daring heron
I hate to admit it but you did only a few hundred thousand under what I did as A...
I did this with 4 set
steep osprey
everyone getting fed loot
icy turret
I did this with 4 set
EATING GOOD
halcyon breach
I did this with 4 set
Best overall I've had so far was roughly 3.3-3.4 mill
frail parrot
all i got from raid this week was some bracers. this is the path we must walk. devoted to our sisyphean task of playing dps warrior
halcyon breach
But haven't tried yet since getting fed raid gear last night
fossil thistle
idk if its a skill issue or my gear sucks cuz im doing more dmg as a fury
Little bit of both cups
fossil thistle
Best overall I've had so far was roughly 3.3-3.4 mill
😦 wtb a tank that pulls more then 1 pack at a time
shadow ibex
Big cleaveage makes warrior brain 🌰
It feels degenerate cuz literally just cleave X cleave X
warped idol
was doing less dmg than the fury on lockenstock, swapped and copied his talents, did big dam again
fossil thistle
It feels degenerate cuz literally just cleave X cleave X
Yea it’s pretty simple lol
shadow ibex
But it's fun. I've had pulls where sweeping lasted whole thing and go into next pull with 25 stacks of CD
Cuz the x2 sweep
fossil thistle
was doing less dmg than the fury on lockenstock, swapped and copied his talents,...
Really?
I was around 1.74m on lock when we wiped at 10.3%
Not sure if that’s good or not
warped idol
maybe i just hesitated and i needed more execute phases
shadow ibex
Feels like more demo casts overall cuz MS double dipping and more cleave casts from reduced cd
charred brook
I did this with 4 set
Does it feel like the 4 set makes a huge difference in m+
I feel like I’ve been averaging like 2.5-2.6 but that’s on like 8/9s right now
Feels like I should be doing more
fossil thistle
maybe i just hesitated and i needed more execute phases
Execute ramps you up like 200k basically
I also only have 2pc, 641 and 636 crafted weapon
compact lantern
quickiest delve to farm vault?
olive nest
I feel like I’ve been averaging like 2.5-2.6 but that’s on like 8/9s right now
inb4 he realizes thats a prot overall
compact musk
quickiest delve to farm vault?
Supposedly sewers is quickest and easiest
charred brook
inb4 he realizes thats a prot overall
Don’t do me like that bro
olive nest
LOL no worries bro im averaging the same
my pb is just over 3m in cinderbrew
otherwise around 2.5 avg
compact lantern
Supposedly sewers is quickest and easiest
where? the new one?
daring heron
Does it feel like the 4 set makes a huge difference in m+
dunno tbh i dont feel it that much
but then again i only did 1 or 2 keys after raid yesterday
hexed snow
How does it even play in m+ with the 4 set
halcyon breach
The haste buff is only really noticable if you get a good streak, but it rarely happens from my experience
hexed snow
Do we spam overpower more to clear the haste buff
Or do we just play as regular
And pray we get a good stack
zenith warren
on st with colossus still want to slam over cleave? and on how many targets cleave takes over ms - 2+?
warped idol
wait so now in the same week we get the whole spark we are getting a catalyst charge also?
olive nest
oppurtunist proc > MS > op
warped idol
wasnt it like, spark week then catalyst week? or am i trippin
olive nest
1 spark and 2 cata charges this week if you hit 2k io
warped idol
yeyeye but i mean like
daring heron
gg this one was pre-4 set and 644 ilvl
olive nest
damn rets!
daring heron
so this run was better than the 647 4 set one really 
halcyon breach
Old 4p just too good ig
icy turret
are you running Colossus critcake?
halcyon breach
Frequent 10-20% cleave buff kinda strong
daring heron
yes
olive nest
nah he had a good time carrying buffs to next pack prob
compact musk
where? the new one?
Yea
daring heron
i mean it procs every minute and lasts 30 secs provided you're hitting stuff
fossil thistle
on st with colossus still want to slam over cleave? and on how many targets clea...
Cleave on 3 or above, slam ST
thick kelp
i mean it procs every minute and lasts 30 secs provided you're hitting stuff
you dont happen to have a WA for tracking its cd
olive nest
arms all the way
daring heron
you dont happen to have a WA for tracking its cd
nay
halcyon breach
Seems a bit redundant
olive nest
the kaching on the 4pc proc is great!
thick kelp
Seems a bit redundant
rare kite
scenic umbra
Yeah i can only play today and sumday a bit
Thinking of sniping neck and belt instead
1/8mm already and no tier
Sadge
First boss is easy af
peak jacinth
gg this one was pre-4 set and 644 ilvl
The only thing worse is the Ret is prob i631 and went afk for a snack. Twice.
F paladin. 😉
steep osprey
Do you guys think Arms would perform better than Fury in ToP
daring heron
Nah same gear as me ish
steep osprey
Critcake
peak jacinth
Nah same gear as me ish
Sure. But then also has BoP, Bubble ... etc etc etc. Great damage and endless utility. We should do 30% more dmg.
steep osprey
Just got a fun house lens
is it fun
scenic umbra
Ret is insane
steep osprey
That shit hits like a truck
He did, he posted an overall up
scenic umbra
Off brain top dmg 1 button
thick kelp
Do you guys think Arms would perform better than Fury in ToP
This is a certified 3.3million overall top build
daring heron
Crit did you try prot
steep osprey
This is a certified 3.3million overall top build
im doing 6s or lower
olive nest
do 7s!
steep osprey
It doens't matter
olive nest
save the crests
steep osprey
warrior is my alt rn
devout pewter
Protcake reemerges. But yeah, regularly hitting 2m dps pn 624 ilvl as prot in t11 delves is kinda fun
scenic umbra
Yeah is a machine, arms big cleaves hit warrior brain too
naive sage
This is a certified 3.3million overall top build
Are you using execute on bosses only?
Or maybe big prio targets
scenic umbra
This is a certified 3.3million overall top build
Fuck ss get big cleavesss
thick kelp
Fuck ss get big cleavesss
big cleaves aint shit in top
naive sage
i exe rotation it
Sorry I was not clear, I mean, you just ignore it on regular pulls aren’t you?
devout pewter
Every arms warrior getting hard and cooming right now
peak jacinth
Fuck ss get big cleavesss
SS needs to be off the GCD. Stopping to hit SS is like slamming on the brakes. >(
scenic umbra
Yeah is annoying to have to press too many things before start pumping sometimes
thick kelp
Sorry I was not clear, I mean, you just ignore it on regular pulls aren’t you?
no
i dont ignore execute
not with that build
But this is a build that I ignore execute with
I have exclusively played this in everything but top
accidentally did a top run with it once today
daring heron
I have exclusively played this in everything but top
how does bb compare to ep
on st
steep osprey
-100% st
thick kelp
how does bb compare to ep
I think last I checkd with proper apl for no ep it was like -0.5% or smth for like +1.8% in 5t
No EP also makes the gameplay really fun as colossus cuz you just prio ms op exe
never rage starve just ms on cd
shadow ibex
EP is poop
daring heron
i mean ye may as well do BB then
shadow ibex
Mega bait for colossus
icy mulch
It is hard to fit 2 exec and 2 OP between the MS cool downs.
daring heron
what about if you drop FB then, I feel like it's only really useful if you're throwing exes
drop FB for 2nd BB point
icy mulch
Maybe, but it is a way to really generate a ton of rage during execute windows
thick kelp
drop FB for 2nd BB point
daring heron
no FB no EP, put those points into BB
thick kelp
Might aswell drop it
shadow ibex
I had rage problems in aoe tbh
But playing blademaster
So cleave gets expensive ig
thick kelp
who woulda guessed that buffing ms by 66% and then nerfing execute by 15 would lead to problems 
daring heron
idk i never felt rage starved as col except in exe phases
or if EB procs a stupid amount of times
shadow ibex
idk i never felt rage starved as col except in exe phases
I was prio MS over op in aoe to get more demo casts
With blademaster Def felt the rage
shadow ibex
Cuz cleave MS cleave MS cleave MS
Idk it was fun tho
Getting demo back before sweeping ends
olive nest
is there a better way to find icons in the "talentloadoutex" addon besides manually scrolling
shadow ibex
Living best EB life
icy mulch
Ok, Fun house lens is pretty good. lol
balmy kindle
Going through m+ it does feel execute is kinda useless on colo
boreal quartz
WTS hero track 655 belts
ill take ty
shadow ibex
Removing demo stacks removed any reason to press it
P sure it's less dpr than fob cleave with sweeping up in 2t
balmy kindle
Not even EP saves it, many times I question myself : I should just cast more MS 
daring heron
removing col might stacks from exe defo felt bad imo in m+
shadow ibex
At least you could sweep and get good cdr
knotty creek
quick sim question how do I sim season1 2pc and season 2 2pc together do I just do the gear compare thing or is there better way
balmy kindle
just do gear compare, also S2 2pc >> S1 4pcs lol at least on my self
knotty creek
just do gear compare, also S2 2pc >> S1 4pcs lol at least on my self
thank you thank you
yea wanna check how it is for myself
hard cedar
I like that Big MOMMA boss in floodgate with the 200% damage mod. Demo hits it so hard
quaint cosmos
is the signet of the priory good for us
quaint cosmos
also do we go 2+2 or go 4set
quaint cosmos
so in colosus am i still prio cleave over>op
meager timber
Is there a point to executing as colossus?
I can never tell if it’s really doing anything more but I’m newer to playing arms
shrewd wagon
From what I've gathered/experienced...eh. It doesnt feel good to press and is always much lower in damage contribution for me vs my general rotational abilities, even when I have used it liberally. On a boss it's kinda worth but idk if it would be worth sending as many as you would as slayer.
meager timber
God coming from outlaw to arms it feels like arms has zero rng.
meager timber
Fury for some reason feels horribly unfun compared to Dragonflight and I can’t put my finger on why.
It might be lack of colossus smash 😄
open ingot
Lack of Demolish, man I love demolish
native obsidian
Demolish is so fun
weak wave
Is there only one trinket that gives crit this season?
https://www.wowhead.com/de/item=232541/improvisierter-zephyriumschrittmacher?bonus=657:12042:5878:7981:11996
tacit crystal
maybe
shadow ibex
Gelootet
toxic socket
what is everyone crafting first? im just a HC raider and m+ player so im guessing weapon is the best thing?
agile crown
lethal cosmos
Anyone got tips on good weakauras to have better view on ur juggernaut stacks?
tribal ember
Just make one
Very simple to make a premade icon aura
Make it glow when it has less than 3 or 4 sec left
And you can add a stack count along the top outer edge
lethal cosmos
Ur talking to real zugzug brain. But ye i guess. Will look it up and try learning to handle it myself. Thanks for taking my thumb out my ass.
tribal ember
No problemo. I'm at work otherwise I'd give you more deets on the process
I learned how to do it last night
lethal cosmos
All good. I got this.
tribal ember
🫡
lament ridge
But this is a build that I ignore execute with
Exe last on prio no matter what situation, with this build?
meager timber
what is everyone crafting first? im just a HC raider and m+ player so im guessin...
Dumb question if I am going arms AND prot would you do a 2h first then do a shield?
reef glade
Think if you get a high ilvl 2hand you can upgrade 1hand and shield for no crests so yea would say make weap and you can roll prot loot outta keys and raid and just upgrade the other stuff
reef glade
meager timber
It would make sense to open vault as arms though for chance at mythic weapon then I suppose
Then again double chance for mythic 1h or shield
spring vale
loot spec on arms either way, if you set loot spec to fury you can get owned with one handers from vault
compact lantern
On Strix, the trashball boss, do we rush to cleave adds or we wait next to the boss?
meager timber
loot spec on arms either way, if you set loot spec to fury you *can* get owned w...
I’m doing arms prot
sacred zodiac
Is there only one trinket that gives crit this season?
https://www.wowhead.com/d...
Improvisierter Zephyriumschrittmacher
crisp crane
hi guys
You can every class and specc until a very very high end
Play what seem fun or interesting to you
eternal tangle
You can every class and specc until a very very high end
ok
native obsidian
The lists people make are usually very wrong. Like at the key level most people will settle in (10-12) ret pala smashes everything, but you will see them always mentioned as B tier or whatever
Because in +24 keys they will be lacking something
lost flare
Slayer Arms is hopeless in m+?
thick kelp
yes
visual fern
It's playable in
Mechagon + top first boss
And then...
Hearth out change talents
oak flame
Should we track the 2 set bonus for arms and not using OP until we get some stack (using slam Maybe )? Or we dont care and use OP
regal socket
is rage still cosmetic?
chrome imp
whens a good time to replace s1 tier? should i wait for s2 tier or a certain ilevel is better than s1 tier?
olive nest
opportunist proc > MS > overpower
olive nest
whens a good time to replace s1 tier? should i wait for s2 tier or a certain ile...
2pc 2pc simmed good for me
devout pewter
2p2p is good yea
chrome imp
so i should keep 4pc until i get 2pc/2pc?
olive nest
I would yeah
chrome imp
kk, thank you
devout pewter
Just to be sure tho: 
chrome imp
gotcha
oak flame
opportunist proc > MS > overpower
So we dont care basically
regal socket
anyone know if rage is still cosmetic
olive nest
no during execute you manage it some
regal socket
no during execute you manage it some
but like outside execute
steel portal
dire hinge
hehe
sage badge
gray verge
Good day arms brethren! I'm sorry this has probably been spoken about several times but are we going 2set 2set or waiting for 4set before removing old 4set?
shadow ibex
Ban update channel. I assume it's nerf every time
rare blade
Good day arms brethren! I'm sorry this has probably been spoken about several ti...
Think this was asked just a little bit ago but 2pc/2pc is good
gray verge
❤️
tribal ember
What about if you have 0pc cuz it's a fresh alt
flat willow
well then you equip the new set cuz you got nothing to replace?
tribal ember
Nah I mean, how much dps can you expect to put out vs someone with the 4 PC from s1
At equal ilvl but no set
My dmg was awful this week in raid
Trying to gauge how much was my rotation
tribal ember
Aight so a decent amount but not the only thing holding me back. Ty
Going from ret in s1 to arms in s2 is wild
Arms feels a lot harder
polar sun
i'm playing arms for first time and only thing that bothers me is gcd on sweeping strikes
grave cedar
Wanted to know if anybody had a similar experience on one armed bandit- We were having issues with consistently killing adds fast enough before fraud prevention, so our RL asked that everybody hard swap since our gear and damage is still low, but then I feel we just lose uptime charging and jumping around, even with sweeping strikes active. Was anybody able to just sit on boss and wait for tanks to walk the boss over to the kill targets?
lean geode
iirc 4set is + 10% dmg
Just the 4pc bonus at equivalent ilvl is 9.1% over not having any set bonus, not sure what it is over s1 tier set but also kind of a moot point bc ilvl will necessarily be different
lean geode
i'm playing arms for first time and only thing that bothers me is gcd on sweepin...
It's half a gcd I think but yeah very cringe
lean geode
Wanted to know if anybody had a similar experience on one armed bandit- We were ...
Arms is one of the least punished melee specs from swapping, just move to add and sweep when boss comes over to you
halcyon breach
Wanted to know if anybody had a similar experience on one armed bandit- We were ...
This early on it can definitely be an issue, and I suggest you just hard swap to the adds that have to die. As Arms you don't lose anything from swapping targets, apart from if you just used CS (in this case hold a few seconds, or position yourself properly to sweep, the range is pretty forgiving)
lean geode
^ sweep is based on YOUR position, not your target's, so you can stand between the add and the boss to squeeze out some extra range
halcyon breach
As Fury at least, I could stand between both adds while hitting the boss, and cleave to all three targets, and the range should be equal for Sweeps range
lean geode
It also hits the closest target to YOU, not to your target, so if you're trying to cleave ONTO a specific target, stand on top of them
unreal marsh
Which is better, Arms or Fury for mythics?
lean geode
Whichever one you prefer
Arms will probably do more overall, but fury will do more boss and prio target damage
Both are strong in different ways
narrow flax
in execute phase, so you mortal strike at 2 EP stacks, or 2 ep stacks + 2 op stacks?
quaint otter
-7 wtf
dim basalt
Our sham got -11 as well
Whereas me and hunter got +30 despite us having timed a higher one
lmao
narrow flax
Did it actually go down tho?
dim basalt
ye
narrow flax
yikes
boreal quartz
@smoky kayak perms seem off?
sacred zodiac
only the smartest may respond
smoky kayak
<@61282228017041408> perms seem off?
Hmm, try now
Discord perms are really fucky sometimes
boreal quartz
works ty
exotic horizon
hello Guys arms is better for mythic plus now right ?
ruby flower
is there a crit cap for arms?
my sim says i need to equip a mastery/haste ring, i thought we want as much crit as possible
sharp rivet
wowhead single target has bladestorm but im sure people in here have been talking about using ravagar. What's the best thing to use?
sour forge
my sim says i need to equip a mastery/haste ring, i thought we want as much crit...
Trust the robot
fluid charm
As arms why don’t we grab ignore pain and get impending victory for M+?
nova marsh
...tf u mean we aren't running iv?
nova marsh
And ip is because it's honestly kinda mid for arms
Not running ip is a crime against humanity thou
fluid charm
No u right I think I was thinking of a different skill other then ip
nova marsh
I meant victory sorry lmao
All the builds I've seen since df run it.
The heal value is just wayyyy too high to pass over
fluid charm
Yeah I think I need to redo my warrior talent tree because I noticed I didn’t have it on my bar lol
sharp rivet
im doing a delve 4 and got a map - can i save it until im doing an 8?
fluid charm
Other then that been loving arms since I started playing it again
sharp rivet
phew thanks
sharp rivet
should i save my keys for higher level delves too - and should i be avoiding bountiful delves until i get to lvl 8 on non bountiful ones?
nova marsh
Don't use keys on non 8sp ye
sharp rivet
and can i level up in delves that are not bountiful?
i did a lvl and its bountiful but im thinking i should have saved it for when im up to lvl 8
sharp rivet
oh ok - well i just wasted one but glad i asked before i wasted more
shadow ibex
the key isnt but the delve is no longer bounti
sharp rivet
yah - at least i only lost one bountiful
shadow ibex
there are more each day so its not a loss really
sharp rivet
ah ok cool
lofty crow
ive read some things that say colossus smash and demolish should generally line up but on this dummy colossus smash is coming up way earlier. do i just send?
minor gust
send
generally warbreaker and demolish will always be aligned in aoe but ST can be weird sometimes just send
grand idol
Fuming
shell veldt
I wouldn't just because sometimes I randomly press execute when I shouldn't and correcting to something else is much better than slamming there but if you don't do that then it's probably ok
low elk
I wouldn't just because sometimes I randomly press execute when I shouldn't and ...
my problem is that i dont hit slam enough, i instinctively default to cleave or thunder clap on single target when mortal strike and overpower isnt up
and my slam keybind is awkward and i dont wannt push something else away to make room for it
shadow ibex
unrelated
minor gust
shell veldt
and my slam keybind is awkward and i dont wannt push something else away to make...
if keybind economy is the main problem and you aren't already doing this I've seen people macro charge and impending victory together since the ranges don't overlap 🤷♂️
low elk
im doing it
its just that i swap between pvp and pve and i have keybinds for things like disarm and fear and stuff i dont use in pve
and dont want to swap them around if i can avoid it
halcyon valve
execute where
fresh spire
🔮
lunar remnant
Flexecute
zenith warren
so if you guys dont get myth track weapon in next 2 vaults, going for crafted 2h with ascension+ writhing cloak/bracer from a free hc crest?
knotty creek
Just wanted to get general idea what other warriors think and do, will you craft this week already or should I just keep waiting for weapon craft
zenith warren
depends on what you get in vault/drop from raid
if good 2h from hc or vault you can craft double crit back and wrist I guess
knotty creek
Yea that was my thought too just wanted to see if others knew something I didnt
zenith warren
Critcake talks a bit about in the most recent video
knotty creek
ah ill watch it then I havent had time yet
simple leaf
do i need to sim apl or can i do Dslice
tall flare
never do dslice
if u wana sim M+ i usually sim like 5-8 bossesish for 1min 30s roughly
for a decent idea
simple leaf
👍
opal citrus
Who are your guys favorite YouTuber that releases Arms related content focused on M+/Raiding?
lean geode
Critcake
opal citrus
Thanks! I’ll check him out. Any other honorable mentions?
lean geode
I don't watch a ton of youtube content tbh, critcake will post vods of his M+ and raid fights (often with commentary) that are good for positioning/cd timing stuff
lean geode
Any streamers in the top right of this channel would be good to watch if you're a livestream andy like me
lean geode
We dont know anybody but critcake and mad ox
True madox's queen vod was goated
sharp tendon
I have seen some post last week that u can ideally to craft a weapon with gilded crest if u don have access to gally hc wpn is it true or just go wowhead embellishment
glossy tusk
are those dungeon nerfs live yet?
sacred zodiac
Any streamers in the top right of this channel would be good to watch if you're ...
skyhold streamers are definitely good players clueless
quaint otter
sacred zodiac
are those dungeon nerfs live yet?
10% nerf is i dont think the targeted nerfs are idk go read the article
tall flare
well
technically was 21%
because of all enemy health and damage has been reduced by 10% across
young pewter
I haven’t been able to hop on yet how easy are keys now w the hotfixes ppl
tall flare
much easier
young pewter
Thank god
still glacier
Should we prioritize not capping rage via slam when MS is on CD or spending charges of overpower hoping to get MS to reset?
young pewter
Its a joke already
Prove it and get me my vault hehe
quaint otter
lean geode
skyhold streamers are definitely good players clueless
ngl idk who Mekes is but Noxiv and Wolfdisco very good players
quaint otter
Prove it and get me my vault hehe
young pewter
All jokes
tall flare
how many 10s did u time
quaint otter
3 or 4
tall flare
so they aint a joke then xD
quaint otter
2 overtimed by 1 min cuz were not ready
quaint otter
so they aint a joke then xD
For day 1 pretty joke
quaint otter
Gonna be all timed tomorrow
tall flare
10s aint supposed to be hard though
quaint otter
Pog
tall flare
indeed
quaint otter
12 gonna be nuts ig
quaint otter
We just have no gear yet
Thats why i said day 1
tall flare
last boss Rookery too
dim basalt
Last boss rookery is a joke
dim basalt
Rookery as a whole is a joke
quaint otter
++ed rookery
lime ruin
Sweeping Strike animation still being bugged honestly makes pressing mortal strike less satisfying I hate it
fix it already braaah
tall flare
5mins Rookery 10 last boss in 640-645 gear is pretty standard
dim basalt
Sure but not up to 8 minutes
tall flare
i think my last 8 was 4min 21seconds but we had some bad dps
doesnt mean its a fun boss xD
but i did get my hammer so no complaints
tall flare
i got Eye
quaint otter
Balls
tall flare
only got 2set though
quaint otter
Yeah i havent raid yet
tall flare
had 2 pieces of warrior tier drop from the whole place
quaint otter
Might get 4 pc on weekend
bleak jasper
All my homies got weapons and i rock with 645 stick <:deadge:900279927138578432>
in a heroic group with a pal and i saw someone with a 658 weapon 😭
ive had no luck from my keys either
fierce moon
how do we maximize collateral dmg in M+? Or is not much thought and send it. Also how come we dragons roar before avatar?
quaint otter
how do we maximize collateral dmg in M+? Or is not much thought and send it. Als...
Line with ravager and wb demo?
Not worth holding for long tho
young pewter
I was surprised fury is doing so well after ppl saying arms would crush this tier
In raid^
quaint otter
The dragonroar initial damage is low so better save the gcd for something better
young pewter
At least in the top parses and whatnot
tall flare
how do we maximize collateral dmg in M+? Or is not much thought and send it. Als...
Thunderous Roar doesnt snapshot also
quaint otter
I was surprised fury is doing so well after ppl saying arms would crush this tie...
Nobody said it will crush lol
tall flare
so the dot damage changes when u use avatar anyway
young pewter
A lot of ppl had em above fury
quaint otter
They were pretty on par all the way from latest updates
tall flare
Furys ST is very close to arms after the 15% exe nerf too
quaint otter
A lot of ppl had em above fury
And people were talking about bis gear shit
We arent even close to it
tall flare
and theres just some fights that are better for Fury than arms
young pewter
I played fury last season I kinda like arms sometimes I feel a bit clunky like I don’t have anything to hit but that’s prolly bc I messed up somewhere in prio along the way
lime ruin
I used to stubbornly main arms until I had to go fury for mythic brood, then I fell in love
Fury flow feels so good
young pewter
Fury flow feels so good
I agree I always felt like I had numerous buttons to choose from
tall flare
ye i just swap between the two depending on the fight
do prefer arms in M+ though atm
than fury
young pewter
Oh colossus spikes really well
shadow ibex
WW
quasi torrent
i like the little twirl my character does
but the swords oh hell no
quasi torrent
also WB does 0 fuck damahe
shadow ibex
u wot
quaint otter
I like neither
quasi torrent
it has to bonk
tall flare
ye why do the swords drop outwards
lime ruin
big unga bunga smash is cooler
shadow ibex
just ded
quasi torrent
yes
fierce moon
Are we competitive in dps for M+? I am new to warrior this season
shadow ibex
bro those are some words for sure
real 1s x3 low x2 GS x1 avatar
lmk when thats possible in mop again
quasi torrent
im only 651 bag, kinda low gear for my usual
sacred zodiac
guys are warrior loot banned?
ye my gm got the memo and swiftly lootbanned the warriors idk wtf they were doing sending that out
tall flare
Are we competitive in dps for M+? I am new to warrior this season
yes, we wont be meta though
quasi torrent
real 1s x3 low x2 GS x1 avatar
s1 didn't have 2nd ring
- low was just stronger in it, that's why i said only 3 azerite yep
quasi torrent
ye my gm got the memo and swiftly lootbanned the warriors idk wtf they were doin...
through RLE
quaint otter
im still 642 wtf
My warrior buddy is like 652 already 
quasi torrent
it's pinned in every channel
glossy tusk
ye my gm got the memo and swiftly lootbanned the warriors idk wtf they were doin...
bro ive done like 30 dungeons and like 6 delves and only good thing so far was weapon like 20 dungeons in
tall flare
My warrior buddy is like 652 already <:deadge:900279927138578432>
im 650
glossy tusk
My warrior buddy is like 652 already <:deadge:900279927138578432>
report
sacred zodiac
i think i will post a twitch clip of how to avoid a clearly bugged interaction and get picked up by wowhead
shadow ibex
s1 didn't have 2nd ring
+ low was just stronger in it, that's why i said only 3...
i didnt know they touched low numbers i remember for most of expac it was giving rage when it wasnt supposed to tho
sacred zodiac
bro ive done like 30 dungeons and like 6 delves and only good thing so far was w...
do higher keys and participate in a guild that does splits if you wish for gear fast (it is not worth it)
glossy tusk
do higher keys and participate in a guild that does splits if you wish for gear ...
im doing 8-10s only but i swear i get no drops or HEAD
quasi torrent
i didnt know they touched low numbers i remember for most of expac it was giving...
i think they didn't touch it, but it just scaled bad with ilvl + other shit got buffed
sharp rivet
i'm just starting out - wearing all s1 gear. How many lvl 8 delves should i do per week - 4 for vault?
quaint otter
i'm just starting out - wearing all s1 gear. How many lvl 8 delves should i do p...
8 for vault
fierce moon
hows our St in M+?
sacred zodiac
fill your vault with whatever is required to get hc track shrug
quasi torrent
hows our St in M+?
potent
sacred zodiac
that amplifier is v good
quaint otter
hows our St in M+?
Average
tall flare
ye its not great
sharp rivet
lvl 8 doesn thave to be bountiful for vault right?
quasi torrent
lvl 8 doesn thave to be bountiful for vault right?
it doesn't no
sharp rivet
cool i will hvae to do some of those cos i share as hell aint getting nay groups in my current state
glossy tusk
that class tuning scared the shit outta me but then i saw "PVP"
sacred zodiac
laugh at this user
this gif exists
quaint otter
In pure st fight
quasi torrent
ww is turbo S st in "aoe" spec
quaint otter
glossy tusk
Im cat
quaint otter
Yes its decent
quaint otter
Meaw
quasi torrent
same
tall flare
its decent but theres a fair few classes with better st in there M+ build
glossy tusk
but sometimes muuuu 😦
tall flare
than arms
quaint otter
its decent but theres a fair few classes with better st in there M+ build
I hear ench sounds
fierce moon
its decent but theres a fair few classes with better st in there M+ build
which melee are those?
quaint otter
Ww or ench
tall flare
2pc / 2pc atm 😦
quaint otter
Dh maybe tho
tall flare
dh is defo
tall flare
not played with any rogues so far tbf
quaint otter
Same but i hear odds subs being pumping
fierce moon
DH is cracked atm too
They target capped tho no?
quaint otter
Not really
tall flare
who isnt nowadays
quaint otter
The big boom is uncapped iirc
quasi torrent
UH Dk is better ST Too right
not in a spec that does cleave
tall flare
and Enhance prob
sharp rivet
if ww or dh get nerfed they are f'd.. no second dps spec to fall back on
quasi torrent
enh is hard capped on gear rn tho
quaint otter
Yeah aoe udk is millions pad but weaker st
tall flare
ye another thing is atm these 1h classes
quaint otter
fierce moon
The big boom is uncapped iirc
whats their big boom lol
glossy tusk
Wish i could leave it like this but then third slot will have the most insane item possible (after i do rest of the 10s it will transform inte wis item)
quaint otter
Wish i could leave it like this but then third slot will have the most insane it...
Whistle trinket
glossy tusk
Whistle trinket
if thats what i get ill tag you after and curse you
quaint otter
whats their big boom lol
I dont know what its called
quaint otter
if thats what i get ill tag you after and curse you
I being mourning abot not getting trinket and got it today
655 Sims wotse than 639 thingy
glossy tusk
im still using double 626 xd
tall flare
I've had enough of fookin transmitter
fierce moon
How are we in overall dps in M+ compared to other melees?
quaint otter
U will top dps pugs
tall flare
its hard to tell atm
glossy tusk
I've had enough of fookin transmitter
after the second nerf i just put on skarmarok trinket idgaf
quaint otter
Unless having ret tho
glossy tusk
Ret and reroll fire are banned in my keys
quaint otter
fierce moon
in organized groups do we fall lower?
glossy tusk
tall flare
in organized groups do we fall lower?
depends on gear atm
there are alot of classes better than us
quaint otter
in organized groups do we fall lower?
Id say fall less if consistent pulls
Cuz i had a tank who bricked all my colo stacks every here and there
fierce moon
Cuz i had a tank who bricked all my colo stacks every here and there
Do try and hang onto colo to have with cd's?
quasi torrent
Where did you find a good lock
unsure
fierce moon
Dragons roar is our only big CD for massive pulls ya? As in its soft capped 20 the rest we have is like caped 5-8
shadow ibex
warbreaker
demolish
warbreaker doesnt do much dmg but the dmg amp is uncapped
sweeping + tclap lets you rend more targets and bleed dmg isnt great but its there. cleave spam carries otherwise
fierce moon
sweeping + tclap lets you rend more targets and bleed dmg isnt great but its the...
oh interesting, I did not know this was an interaction. so we bleed double amount of targets?
rustic reef
can someone share dmg profile for colossus m+?
tame jay
do we break old 4 piece for new 2 piece?
tender ermine
sweeping + tclap lets you rend more targets and bleed dmg isnt great but its the...
Really? I'd never read that anywhere
manic pasture
Is legendary skipper still good for m+ or what should I replace it with?
shadow ibex
its not intended or noticeable
nova marsh
Slayer arms feels grief in m+ for me
Because it is. Lmao
shadow ibex
most ppl probably been doing it on accident for half a year
tender ermine
most ppl probably been doing it on accident for half a year
That's a cool little tech
summer grotto
How do we sim for m+ on raidbots?
rigid island
do we break old 4 piece for new 2 piece?
yeah
tender ermine
most ppl probably been doing it on accident for half a year
I imagine it would be a damage loss in general, but if you had a pull with 10 targets would it ever be worth it to thunderclap as a global between cleaves to get more rends applied? I imagine it's more value to just overpower or mortal strike in general
shadow ibex
i dont think rend is smart
tclap just picks targets
i feel like on a big pull a scary mechanic is gonna take me out of melee and ill tclap while running out anyway
zenith warren
with old 4p would you play fury over arms in keys? or any dungeon in particular
minor gust
you play fury whenever you want to play fury
tall flare
^_^
glossy tusk
'_>'
tender jolt
what first piece we crafting?
zenith warren
feels good to get like 5 ms resets in a row
sharp rivet
better to upgrade my belt to champ even if i lose the embellishment right?
zenith warren
not really
void bay
better to upgrade my belt to champ even if i lose the embellishment right?
why dont you just sim it?
fierce moon
I am trying where I can find a point for fast footwork without loosing a point in armored to the teeth any recomendations?
scarlet root
REAL QUICK whats the excute phase rotation in raid
latent moss
op if opportunist proc u have less than 85 rage and less than 2 martial prowess
ms if 2 executioners precision
execute
fierce moon
Is there a quick way to get weathered undermine crests to craft the 629?
scarlet root
ms if 2 executioners precision
TY BRO
latent moss
Is there a quick way to get weathered undermine crests to craft the 629?
world souls i heard are fast but idk personally
tender jolt
hey, quick aoe rotation question, if it better to just cleave when doing big pulls? or still better to SS and MS/OP
shadow ibex
def use SS
and u have globals between cleave that need to be filled so u have to OP or ms anyway
limpid lotus
Ah ok, what about two target without SS up? Still MS?
still glacier
Is it better to overcap rage and use an overpower charge when MS is on CD in hopes of a reset or do we just slam to spend rage in a single target situation?
shadow ibex
OP over slam
flat willow
without SS up still MS over cleave on 2 targets
shadow ibex
Ah ok, what about two target without SS up? Still MS?
ur gonna have one or other on CD so gonna use both
limpid lotus
Cool, ty
still glacier
So we would only slam on ST when MS is on CD and we don’t have OP charges to use either?
shadow ibex
yes
still glacier
Weird, but I appreciate the response! I feel like most other specs when you overcap your resource it’s a big damage loss. I was playing ret last season.
shadow ibex
overpower does a lot of damage
either slayer with opportunist + slayer tree passive or colossus and OP dmg from stacking demo
- 2pc
void bay
he said he cant do guides anymore as he got deployed
stuck ruin
Oh. @daring heron appreciate your service.
crystal nymph
void bay
not military or anything, its something to do with penguins
