if you have a Virgo Rising you cast Raging Blow if you're in a party with at least two other Earth Signs, it's really simple
#arms
dire hinge
lean geode
Me when I RB past rage cap during reck but then the target goes below 35% so I BT but then I lose my BC stacks so I need to RB again but then I need to rampage but then I lose my brutal finish so I need to
olive nest
Wowa will tell you what to improve don’t worry
lean geode
Buddy I hate to tell you this
My updates for fury were uhhh
Done at 1am the day after the patch
olive nest
lean geode
Also it is 100% gonna yell at arms players for not using their 3xMFE/2xSD/Jugg or SD expiring exes when they should
Because sudden death is the most scuffed buff in the game
But fixing that is gonna require me to get a phd first
lean geode
why they extend
Is anyone actually surprised by this?
glossy tusk
It will get extended until EU gets released
tropic flower
finally, a fair race!
glossy tusk
Extend so I can lift
Extend this?
tropic flower
@shadow ibex str levels? 99?
steep osprey
extend dn
minor gust
Extend so I can lift
I got some weights by my desk to lift inbetween keys
gotta keep that blood flowing
dim basalt
the 2kgs for lateral raises
lean geode
I got some weights by my desk to lift inbetween keys
AMRAP push ups during pull timers
minor gust
I really want a standing desk ngl
but I dont wanna deal with taking apart my current one
lean geode
I work from home every other week and I'm considering getting a second desk that's a standing desk so I can put a desk treadmill on it too
But without disrupting my pc or my main desk
Seems extra tho
long fable
Col Aoe + Slayer single target builds are the most fun ive had in this game in a long time. Im happy I stuck my nose to the grindwheel to learn Colossus
minor gust
the automatic jak setup standing desk with a treadmill
shadow ibex
I got some weights by my desk to lift inbetween keys
Hardcore
Superset demo casts with some kroc rows
minor gust
lmao
long fable
Im a little scared that the execute heavy fights are gonna skew what arms is capable of and lead to some heavy handed nerfs
minor gust
is what it is out of our control just live your life
lean geode
Fury execute with VC is also not bad
long fable
well scared isnt the right word, imma still play it because its fun but like. Concern? i guess
olive nest
@thick kelp Gz warriorbrain on queen badge!
long fable
My only gripe is that If i ever wanna do single target colossus I have to use skullbreaker bleh
olive nest
minor gust
My *only* gripe is that If i ever wanna do single target colossus I have to use ...
sks dont pay your sub. dont use it if you dont want too
gloomy mirage
GZ
smoky kayak
let's see if I set this up correctly lol
visual fern
vague oxide
omg my giga charge
vague oxide
yoooo new badge who dis
trim lintel
i dont understand the first clip, what happened???
minor gust
Walhe moment
visual fern
thick kelp
GZ ME BOIS
smoky kayak
i dont understand the first clip, what happened???
nobody else does either, that's why he won 
trim lintel
oh okey xD
gaunt owl
i tried to slow down replay and stuff
i'm still confused too
and its not gonna get better
trim lintel
probably some safe pixel in the middle of the blades?
smoky kayak
Neo'd every single web blade
basically this - he pingponged between blades, stepping into them as they were going off to avoid taking damage from any of them
doing that with one of them is not super hard
doing it with all three of them on top of one another (and surviving) is pretty giga chad
trim lintel
or astronomical chance to dodge blades one by one when they arrived
visual fern
smoky kayak
sometimes it's better to be lucky than good
but if you're smart, you make people think they're one in the same
steep osprey
lmao that looks accidental
gaunt owl
its pure skill
steep osprey
no way that's actually intentional
gaunt owl
100%
gaunt owl
he is built different
trim lintel
skill is when luck become usual huh
dire hinge
that charge clip took me out
thick kelp
Being lucky is a skill, can't change my mind
hesRight
smoky kayak
Being lucky is a skill, can't change my mind
ok domino
visual fern
magic canopy
vague oxide
Before the charge
lmao knew the second i did it i was doomed
visual fern
steep osprey
How did walhe teleport like that
inland glacier
Void elf racial prob
steep osprey
susge
dim basalt
Does velf also have cool anims for arms
snow flame
do all delve trinkets drop from all delves
visual fern
🗒️
snow flame
or is it target farmed
shadow ibex
Fingers crossed a rwf caster notices the ravager slayer thing
steep osprey
do all delve trinkets drop from all delves
what do you think
steep osprey
they drop from all
snow flame
so to get a 665 that's only possible from vault?
dim basalt
Fingers crossed a rwf caster notices the ravager slayer thing
The second that happens theyll hotfix it in a really bad way, calling it rn
snow flame
idk how the delve ilvl works
shadow ibex
The second that happens theyll hotfix it in a really bad way, calling it rn
I don't think a bad way
They would just make all slayer talents require bs
dim basalt
You know theyll buff bs damage and give us an aura nerf to compensate
shadow ibex
Nah no number change at all
minor gust
I havent touched a delve since expansion launch
shadow ibex
Not this late
native obsidian
"requires bladestorm" will just be added
shadow ibex
They would just make u take BS to make talents work
steep osprey
Nah no number change at all
I mean if they do that
edgy hemlock
idk how the delve ilvl works
minor gust
"requires bladestorm" will just be added
that doesnt work. if they went that route would have to be cant talent ravager while Slayer is chosen
dire hinge
decent source of heroic vault options early on for a little bit of time
edgy hemlock
probaly just go do 8s and then craft a piece
edgy hemlock
i mean that works too
dim basalt
But for the key loot it doesnt matter what level right
snow flame
otherwise you gamble c u c king yourself
dim basalt
oh shit I cant read
olive nest
Craft 2h sword Tuesday after first vault
dreamy egret
Why is the guide showing three ?
snow flame
to give you options
visual fern
Why is the guide showing three ?
Wep + wrists or cloak
thick kelp
it shows wrist or cloak
minor gust
cuz all 3 are good options
snow flame
for example if you get a mythic weapon next tuesday
you know to craft the other 2
vice versa
edgy hemlock
for example if you get a mythic weapon next tuesday
surely we get this right
dreamy egret
Yeah I got my first myth track weapon 17 weeks into the season lol
edgy hemlock
i got mine 2 weeks before 11.0
minor gust
you either get the wep first week or 10 weeks later no inbetween
edgy hemlock
11.1*
visual fern
Our guilds second warrior never got myth track wep
olive nest
Wait for the first vault and then craft
visual fern
And whenever he wasn't in
olive nest
This is the way
minor gust
that poor man
steep osprey
I know it took Chawie a while to get a myth weapon
dreamy egret
I gotta wait till 2 sparks lol
steep osprey
I know it took Chawie a while to get a myth weapon
@gray herald 
dreamy egret
To craft
gray herald
<@173228061074915329> <:critcake:984549832511344640>
I killed ansurek before I got a myth weapon
All gucci though I also killed sark with a champ ashkandur
eager sigil
had this in vault of the incarnates
gray herald
gear is a crutch anyway we don’t need that shit
eager sigil
got my myth weapon with the raz kill
well it wasnt myth back then
but high ilevel weapon
charred brook
could we technically speed up prog if we go full ST on every single fight as arms
and just blast the boss
maximum ethical boss dmg
olive nest
That’s what I’m going to do
dire hinge
parses are for reclears 
just kill the danged thing
olive nest
With 3 havocs on the comp I’m not even going to bother trying to pad
charred brook
max having free bird blasting makes me think he wants the chat to spam the bird dongs
steep osprey
are there even pads in that raid
they learned their lesson from the amount of adds in palace
and fury
eager sigil
every boss has some adds to pad on
void bay
max having free bird blasting makes me think he wants the chat to spam the bird ...
do it!
eager sigil
warcraftlogs will not allow you to hit any of them anyway
steep osprey
and then stomped on
dire hinge
is this when WCL removes their dps contribution midway through the season again? 
sweet quartz
So base on ptr is haste buff from tier set pretty consistant?
charred brook
that was the greatest thing ive ever seen
untold trench
Only after the nerfs have happened o7
charred brook
just absolutely disregarding our entire class halfway through
steep osprey
just absolutely disregarding our entire class halfway through
They don't care as long as it doesnt' affect their class
charred brook
the WCL discord was popping off for weeks lmao
void bay
we had like 7 partitions aswell this season
this is why parsing is stupid
steep osprey
oh no mommyy, i can't pad on this boss, monster fury is under my bed!!1 😢
sacred zodiac
partitions are fine unless you wanna compete with week 1 fury logs
void bay
it's fine if its just a record of your dps and they dont fiddle with arbritrary rules to make it some weird meta game depending on boss
thats when I lost interest
eager sigil
classic wcl is even worse
void bay
i know
eager sigil
you are not allowed to do any add damage there
sacred zodiac
it's fine if its just a record of your dps and they dont fiddle with arbritrary ...
the idea is that degenerate strategies aren't being promoted by logs ye
void bay
some bosses are discounted entirely
steep osprey
you are not allowed to do any add damage there
I mean, it makes sesne in classic
sense
it's basically all one boss with very little adds
vernal dome
any build per boss guide around? going into the raid kinda blind, wonder what bosses i should spec cleave and clap
void bay
there is nothing else to do in classic so it sorta does
sacred zodiac
thats why they allstar disable bosses where you can infinitely spawn adds and shit like broodkeeper ovinax
lone imp
is up
sacred zodiac
any build per boss guide around? going into the raid kinda blind, wonder what bo...
maxroll has it i assume wowhead has it too but just look at what ppl play before your raid
steep osprey
I'll agree with removing aoe if it serves no purpose to the raid
but if the adds really do need to die
I disagree
vernal dome
thanks @sacred zodiac
sacred zodiac
but if the adds really do need to die
are you talking abt add damage being removed or abt allstar being removed from bosses
steep osprey
are you talking abt add damage being removed or abt allstar being removed from b...
first part
sacred zodiac
ya i mean they fucked up on rashanan but walked back on it and fixed it by just ripping allstar
steep osprey
I don't care much about all star, as long as they don't remve the adds from the fight
sacred zodiac
ye but agreeing no one touches adds except for one person would give them a r1 log and it'd end up being degenerate on a boss that is effectively just ST
steep osprey
time to check enha changes
sacred zodiac
like, you literally add phases if you dont spec st
eager sigil
ye but agreeing no one touches adds except for one person would give them a r1 l...
but that works on every boss with any kind of aoe
sacred zodiac
fiddling with ulgrax logs like that is just healthy for the game
steep osprey
removing rash adds from the logs was dumb as fuck
that's the only really egregious case
regal wharf
game up?
dire hinge
ass lag is the worst kind 
void bay
especially if you are trying to twerk in the club
slow saddle
What ilvl does m0 drop agqin?
dire hinge
What ilvl does m0 drop agqin?
636
inland drift
hopefully s2 will have better luck for me pugging
toxic socket
do we know what spec is best for what bosses in raid yeT? i know fury is best for some and arms is best for others
crude bridge
@dire hinge hey friend, with the colossus build, where does demolish fit in with your opener in ST if it does at all? or do you only use it in your aoe opener?
nova marsh
So do we bother doing m0?
Not really worth it imo
You'd be better off doing keys to just prog ur achieves, IO, and fill up ur vault with better stuff. at least hero tracks first week
crude bridge
where can you see your executioners precision stacks on the ui? so i can tell that its going to empower my next mortal strike?
slow saddle
You'd be better off doing keys to just prog ur achieves, IO, and fill up ur vaul...
First week is 10 or socket
tough steppe
hopefully s2 will have better luck for me pugging
You're a warrior brother, we are never lucky
slow saddle
Im semi puggin tommorow bringing 1 more good dps
nova marsh
Pugging as a warrior is more like pulling teeth
I mean even after I rerolled to shaman it still feels like an experience akin to actual torture
inland drift
rip me 😦
final leaf
Ok, when you get to a situation where, you have 1 charge of overpower, 1 stack of prowess, and MS is coming off cd in less than a full global.... do I fit the overpower in, or wait for MS to come off cd
teal fossil
Ok, when you get to a situation where, you have 1 charge of overpower, 1 stack o...
You messed up on your gcds but you would op
final leaf
Ive been sitting at the dummy for a couple hours.... the situation I am describing, I guess I could have been a little bit more clear, is op comes off cd slightly before MS does
junior lava
So do we bother doing m0?
Might be worth a plate stack being that it drops champion gear
shadow ibex
every boss drops loot so a quick tour is worth imo
cobalt sinew
what if they made a talent like devastator but for slam on arms
cobalt sinew
its a passive that replaces devastate that makes autos do more damage and have a 25% chance to reset cd on shield slam
reef glade
yea I mean… makes more sense for prot cuz they have a bunch of other buttons to hit and have to worry about staying alive but arms prolly gets plenty of MS resets already
hollow ferry
does anyone know when we should break our tier 1 set? or is it a case of just upgrading because ilvl will be better?
reef glade
if you sim it should be accurate to see what you’re losing breaking old set for new
reef glade
While I’m not certain on losing 4pc for 1 item I would have to assume new 2pc just gonna be good
Many overpower damages or somethin
hollow ferry
ok sounds good, thanks for the help!
slow saddle
Might be worth a plate stack being that it drops champion gear
Trinkies at least
teal fossil
what if they made a talent like devastator but for slam on arms
devastator replaces with a generator with an auto attack
Slam doesn’t generate
All the auto attack replacers just makes your auto attacks generate while losing a button
shadow ibex
put OP on autos
teal fossil
Arms auto already generates
teal fossil
put OP on autos
Autos now have a chance to reset Ms
reef glade
Annihilator fury bring it back
teal fossil
Would be funny
steep osprey
where's xeos and hsi 3 warriors
junior lava
Trinkies at least
Exactly
rapid bramble
Demolish sure is a feelgood button to press
inland glacier
is there anywhere that has an opener rotation for multi target slayer arms? the rotation page on wowhead only has a colossus one but the talent build for mt there is slayer
nimble yoke
are fury and arms now both going windsinger in the ring?
quaint otter
olive nest
Oh no does it not build stacks fast anymore?
shadow ibex
nah
dense vector
None of these NA bums are using ravager smh sandbagging
I’ll rep the boys in like 2 hours
strange perch
reload ui?
sharp wyvern
inland drift
lmao
turbid drum
yo boys, is it possible to resize certain debuffs on plater?
looking to make rend a little bit larger
inland drift
should i use if it triggers/glows even if i dont have 2 stacks?
lofty crow
do i overpower even if ill cap on rage or slam to prevent overcap first
dense vector
OP slam is last resort can’t press anything
dense vector
should i use <:Arms:592471950278787080> if it triggers/glows even if i dont ha...
Yes
tall flare
Craft 2h sword Tuesday after first vault
will we beable to craft 2h after first vault?
dense vector
No
tall flare
wont we have to wait another week for 2nd spark?
lofty crow
so if im at full rage and my only options are op and slam i op? confirming because it feels unintuitive to not really care about class resource but i can get used to it
tall flare
ye thats what i thought
dense vector
so if im at full rage and my only options are op and slam i op? confirming becau...
Yes op
dense vector
so if im at full rage and my only options are op and slam i op? confirming becau...
Rage isn’t a resource until execute basically
That’s when you actually care about it
lofty crow
understood tyty
olive nest
will we beable to craft 2h after first vault?
Yeah that’s right, week 3
olive nest
Yeah that should be right
tall flare
ok im not goin crazy
olive nest
1.5 next week because of the free one right? And then 2 total week 3
Or I’m just clueless yapping who knows 
tall flare
oh ye u get 2 sparks from the sparkling future quest
viral locust
so fury is ahead now in ST?
rancid solstice
it is for my gear
olive nest
A raid where execute finally matters on a few bosses
Totally worth gearing arms stats in my book
viral locust
yea i just mean in raw ST, in real terms exec last bosses probably better as its not that far ahead
and some of that dps probably because u can equipt two weapons with on use/added effect maybe
random ibex
thoughts on dropping embelishments for ilevel?
olive nest
Sim angle honestly
viral locust
thoughts on dropping embelishments for ilevel?
sim it, only answer
tall flare
ye i mean im gonna be simming up a storm tomorrow think ill be swaping to dawnthread as ill be replacing my weapon with some M+ weapon
which means ill be losing my embelish 🤷♂️ wonder how much more damage crafted myth weapon is over heroic best in slots
so many questions 🤣
viral locust
tall flare
did you ever sim this? 😄
grand idol
I seem to have lost 50k from a sim yesterday and a sim today. Is that the execute nerf?
Seems likely but just thought id ask
hushed pine
Wait, Ravager works with Slayer now?
hushed pine
But it doesn't benefit from slayer talents I assume?
grand idol
Correct. Some of the talents just cease functioning.
hushed pine
dense vector
<:sadge:820202363359854633>
It’s like 1.5 talents that stop working
You can’t bs to apply overwhelm
But reap the storm does a little spin that applies it
Baby bladestorm that procs
toxic socket
am i being dumb? i just used like 9 mortal strikes in a row because i got reset procs constantly.. what is it that does that because i cant see it
solar folio
Read your talents
hushed pine
am i being dumb? i just used like 9 mortal strikes in a row because i got reset ...
Exhilarating Blows
MS has a chance to reset itself
toxic socket
ty ty
swift crown
When the EB hits just right
hushed pine
sage badge
hushed pine
We're so back
severe haven
it's over
hushed pine
devout pewter
We back bois, we're for once really back!
charred quest
anyone got this trinket?
does it put the debuff on target to stack? or do you just send on cd
cuz i can't see it on the target debuff
dense vector
i actually got it
whats it drop from
sharp rivet
did you do lvl 11 delve to get hero item?
sharp rivet
nice
i never killed old zekvir
i could do it now before reset (eu) but i know i'll just fail and throw my pc out the window
stark bay
In m+ is SoA still better than Dreadnaught?
glossy tusk
In m+ is SoA still better than Dreadnaught?
soa ST, DN aoe
u can choose
not much diff
stark bay
you say this but I'm seeing our guide by Archi runnin SoA so I'm just tryna figure out why
is it really that much of a difference maker to our ST?
glossy tusk
Cuz ST is important, but if u wanna pad go DN
lucid apex
does anyone know when we break 4p?
stark bay
i like padding
halcyon valve
charred quest
i actually got it
Did you do a new tier 8 delve? Or one of the old ones?
wanton sierra
rookery +6
edgy hemlock
Did you do a new tier 8 delve? Or one of the old ones?
did the old god one
think its called excavation
or something like that
bottom right of deeps
charred quest
did the old god one
Kk thx
charred brook
just got off work are we nerfed yet
dire hinge
damn, nice pull
mossy perch
whats the word on the trinket sims on bloodmallet getting updated?
true veldt
Yo. Question for the homies.
Do I use Mortal Strike in AoE at any point in M+?
Or is it cleave prio?
true veldt
10-4. Thank you :)
Also just got this from a +6 rookery. Nice lil 22k DPS upgrade lol
glossy tusk
Also just got this from a +6 rookery. Nice lil 22k DPS upgrade lol
does 6 give gilded or the lower ones btw?
true veldt
Gives 18 runeds.
I think +7s are where Gildeds start dropping
But I could bbe wrong
devout pewter
just got the warning, not long to wait
glossy tusk
just got the warning, not long to wait
Hell ye
spring vale
EU may get the season late but on the bright side we get it after our NA bros have beta tested any bugs 🙏
devout pewter
Just another hour of just doing nothing... But needing to sleep because of work 😦
halcyon haven
Annihilator fury bring it back
based
gilded otter
fathom shoal
listen to robot, but usually haste crit mast ver
lofty crow
what number of targets does cleave become worth? would i use cleave and/or thunder clap on a 2 target boss like in floodgate?
flat willow
on 2 targets cleave replaces slam cuz of
and I use thunder clap even on 1 target cuz I'm lazy and don't want another bind
shadow ibex
bout to do 7 mead
minor gust
mead owns
shadow ibex
wish me luck on weap boyo
minor gust
except for the first boss
minor gust
you did m0s?
shadow ibex
yea world tour rq
i thought they buffed boss drop rate since weekly
went 3 dungeons in a row with only gold so idk was very puzzled
minor gust
just been blasting 7s for hero gear and crests
shadow ibex
yea we on to keys now
minor gust
Normal splits for me
shadow ibex
bout to loot weap from 7 mead
minor gust
prayge for 4pc day 1
last tier only fucking 2 zenith tokens dropped the whole raid it was fucked
so that means this tier all zenith!
shadow ibex
we dont raid till later in the week
acoustic thicket
most people just doing delves to start?
minor gust
the fuck is a delve
minor gust
cba doin delves until its 3 am and no ones on KEKW
minor gust
im sorry for your loss
acoustic thicket
i dont think theyre that bad
minor gust
nothing beats wiping and grindin with the boys
acoustic thicket
I have no boys cause i cant find a consistent guild
to the po8int like I play D4 in downtime
minor gust
it def aint easy
minor gust
pugging is misery
spring vale
Did the legacy dungeons in the M+ pool get the updated swirlies?
i.e. theatre of pain
unique bridge
Anyone else getting massive hangs in the raid? our raid seems to be having issues, hard freezes for like 10 seconds at a time randomly
shrewd niche
Do you have elvui or old weakauras ?
Lot of people in my guild quit using it after the nerubar palace
Too many fps issues
misty sandal
so far it seems like i could just get by in nonrmal by using st slayer build and let blade storm and ss take care of the adds 😅
dense vector
i see no ravager in logs
minor gust
but it surely will pump
dense vector
spring vale
what are st bosses this raid rather
sprocketmonger lockenstock
dire hinge
What'd you call me
spring vale
unique bridge
Do you have elvui or old weakauras ?
only a few, just removed the raid timeline one just incase it was that but we'll see
lean geode
what are st bosses this raid rather
Normal Rik is also pure st
rancid lantern
Hey guys should I run 2pc 2pc?
rancid lantern
haha
lean geode
Hey guys should I run 2pc 2pc?
Sim it
lean geode
hey does the rotation differ at all with 2p 2p
No
tacit crystal
did you stay in your guild bigbowwl
lean geode
Unfortunately
dreamy egret
only normal but still funny
finite ginkgo
how hard is the normal raid? pugable?
void bay
looks it
these guys are running it back to back @finite ginkgo
https://www.twitch.tv/maximum
finite ginkgo
well...
lean geode
Rav on mugzee @tacit crystal
void bay
who is that bigbowl guy? he must be good
void bay
i just cant get arms to flow nicely
void bay
its not about being hard or not, its about it not being fun
nova marsh
Arms not being fun is why I rerolled lol
bold granite
normal sadge
tacit crystal
Rav on mugzee <@335579026259312641>
😦
lean geode
krill issue
lean geode
I played fury on first boss
tacit crystal
ish player fury
lean geode
Lost a ton of log damage sending in cars because my raid is braindead
I had to send in 5 cars by myself
vast drift
so at what point do we break 4p, heroic 2p?
lean geode
so at what point do we break 4p, heroic 2p?
sim
tacit crystal
im laggin in these 30 mans
yeah its turbo aids
minor gust
half the fights my shits frozen for the first 20 seconds
tacit crystal
xd
minor gust
but zenith has dropped every boss its my time
lean geode
Frozen did you play rav or BS on cauldron
minor gust
ive played rav every fight
lean geode
You are the problem
lean geode
We have no boomie
spring vale
void bay
guess which one i was
pala
heavy wren
Just gearing up an arms, would this be any good? Its better sim wise vs what i got but
outer quest
wut about this trinket?
tacit crystal
hi did you press the simulation button on raidbots.com
hardy olive
pressing demolish make my character freez for 2 sec
shadow ibex
new zone lag
dreamy egret
normal sadge
went to a fucking tank
tribal ember
will warrior always be god awful at delves?
rare kite
will warrior always be god awful at delves?
huh? fury owns at delves
native obsidian
I feel warrior is strong in delves
tacit crystal
huh? fury owns at delves
hi
rare kite
hi
tribal ember
oh i've been running arms
lean geode
Prot is omega free in delves
dense vector
but zenith has dropped every boss its my time
We had a bunch of zenith drop and I got nothing but I did get our best neck from the raid
spring vale
the new swirlies are so inconsistent lol.
in the SAME delve, 2 aoes that literally do the same thing but originate from different mobs one of them has the new swirlies with the hard border and the other one is the old swirly
earnest imp
people running the collosus build in keys?
minor gust
my normal split was juiced
got 4pc and a capital punished with avoidance POG
im avoiding so hard
tacit crystal
@lean geode hi
visual fern
got 4pc and a capital punished with avoidance POG
Our ret got BiS w/ avoid
minor gust
sheesh
shadow ibex
eyoo sick backpiece
where
lean geode
what trinkets from delves are decent for us?
funhouse lens, sussy energy drink, amplifier
tough ravine
i got the Turbo Drain 5000 549 :/
lean geode
Next week surely
visual fern
the rolls aint fair
Out here playing pokemon
minor gust
Garms out here playing d4 barb
clear rain
is it okay if i play collossus single target arms?xd
shadow ibex
if we use a delver map in a group does everyone need to use 1 for heroic piece?
delvers bounty i mean
edgy solstice
use one, get one. don't, don't. regardless who you run it with
valid sage
So if all 3 wants it, they need to use it
tribal ember
is colossus smash supposed to mess up your movement?
whenever i cast it while moving my character wigs out
bold granite
went to a fucking tank
wtf
bold granite
is colossus smash supposed to mess up your movement?
ive noticed it with the new animation
wintry arch
Is the noggenfogger trinket any good? It simmed higher than my mandate which is odd
I can’t seem to find any s2 trinket sims
crude bridge
In colossus build in aoe rotation is molten strike or overpower higher in prio?
tacit crystal
what boss is that
yeah
minor gust
I blame lag
visual fern
inland drift
are ya'll pugging it or with guilds?
fresh spire
L diffed and frozonepilled
hes so back
dense vector
L diffed and frozonepilled
Ravager on top
crude bridge
In colossus build in aoe rotation is mortal strike or overpower higher in prio?
dense vector
I wish we had an attack called molten strike that would be sick,
minor gust
MUH game froze on pull it was gg
charred brook
i had a dream pull on ouir first pull and we wiped
then my next pull was DRY AS HELL
fallen oar
Wow arms is pumping. Lot of arms on raiderio timed mythic list. So happy
Still scared for not getting invited for groups cuz peeps won’t invite cuz of utility
crude bridge
Anyone one that's fairly experienced in arms that could answer a question?
crude bridge
Why ask if you can ask a question
In the colossus build aoe rotation, which is before the other in priority; mortal strike or overpower? I've seen people say both for different reasons
visual fern
If dreadnaught talented = overpower
If strength of arms talented = ms
Or hit glowy button whackamole
fresh spire
we all know DN players are just padders not chadders
crude bridge
<:Okayge:1014185841746268231>
So essentially in ALL prio rotations whether it's ST or aoe in the colossus build, it's MS over OP?
Even with or without SS up or down?
If using strength of arms that is
visual fern
You're using battlelord which enables OP resets on MS
Base MS does more damage than base OP
So if you OP without using MS first
The reset proc is wasted damage
spring vale
Battlelord my beloved
crude bridge
So just so I'm clear, if talented into strength of arms, there's no situation where I'm using OP over MS in single target or aoe rotation prio correct?
rancid solstice
Uh
crude bridge
As long as MS is available i should always press it over OP? (outside of execute phase)
visual fern
May be some cases where you're playing around minmaxing cleave windows
But like
If you're asking this question, I wouldn't worry about minmaxing that gameplay rn
rancid solstice
When you say aoe rotation it’s important how many mobs you’re talking about
visual fern
Since 95% of the time you can just MS > OP (w/ SoA) and get 95% of the way there
@fresh spire can correct me if I'm wrong
crude bridge
When you say aoe rotation it’s important how many mobs you’re talking about
What changes with different amount of mobs?
rancid solstice
If you’re swinging into a huge pack Cleave comes into the equation and your damage will be higher by buffing cleave with martial prowess
crude bridge
Since I'd ask him anyway
Its just weird cuz Mad Ox the arms streamer/youtuber has a guide that in AOE you should be pressing OP over MS for some reasom
crude bridge
If you’re swinging into a huge pack Cleave comes into the equation and your dama...
Well yeah I know in aoe cleave takes prio over all, I was just wondering which comes next, MS or OP
Oh wait
So sometimes OP does come first over MS to increase your cleave damage with martial prowess?
Cuz it stacks 2 times
15% increased damage with cleave
With each OP
visual fern
Cleave > 3 globals > cleave
You can OP > MS > OP
That'll make MS eat the OP buff
or
You can MS > OP > (MS or OP)
That'll make MS also eat the OP buff
candid kindle
man fuck colossus, all my homies play slayer in keys
candid kindle
i like to buff ms because its cute
crude bridge
https://youtu.be/dZaiZEnlE_M?si=yZPhua6bCkWs_EAZ&t=1324
Yeah this is what i watched
But in his vid, his prio has OP over MS
crude bridge
In aoe situations
spring vale
SoA my beloved
crude bridge
Im so confused
visual fern
Okay cleave cooldown
Lets you put 3 globals
Before the next cleave
You will fit 1 overpower, 1 mortal strike, and 1 other skill in any order in that window
Yes?
If you overpower first, then send mortal strike - that mortal strike is eating the martial prowess buff, therefore cleave will at best get 1x martial prowess buff on it
If the first overpower procs battlelord, it's wasted since mortal strike isn't on cooldown
candid kindle
if pack is huge my brain tells me to op op ms cleave
if dred
if not huge pack op ms op or ms op ms
then cleave
wtv just smash buttons its ez
fill with slam
visual fern
If you mortal strike first, then send overpower - you don't get the buffed mortal strike and the tradeoff is your overpower might battlelord reset + buff mortal strike enabling you to send it again
You now have the option of sending the 2nd mortal strike or sending another overpower before the cleave
Either way you are effectively doing the same thing
ASSUMING YOU DONT HAVE DREADNAUGHT
crude bridge
If you overpower first, then send mortal strike - that mortal strike is eating t...
Okay I understand this now thank you. But why were you saying earlier to use MS first in aoe?
thick kelp
@fresh spire goatedbuild
candid kindle
slayer is better
visual fern
It's effectively the same thing
candid kindle
i just dont like colossus
visual fern
Unless you're trying to eek out that last 5% min-max
candid kindle
its leggit the same
visual fern
In which case there is no blanket answer and it's situational
Putting overpower first in a guide that people will use as a primary resource
candid kindle
i do more dmg as slayer than as colossus
visual fern
Will just build good habits for if/when you play dreadnaught
candid kindle
im not comfy with colossus idk why ik its the same shit but eh wtv
crude bridge
If you mortal strike first, then send overpower - you don't get the buffed morta...
But with this you are risking not getting the empowered cleave if you MS - OP - MS right?
rancid solstice
Might not hurt to read through a written format guide like
https://maxroll.gg/wow/class-guides/arms-warrior-mythic-plus-guide
crude bridge
If you mortal strike first, then send overpower - you don't get the buffed morta...
Like with this yes ur OP might reset mortal strike to send it again, but ur missing out on the empowered cleave which in aoe would be much more important right?
rancid solstice
Will clarify ST, 2 target, 3+
spring vale
<@140264255302664192> goatedbuild
No EP? 👀
candid kindle
Like with this yes ur OP might reset mortal strike to send it again, but ur miss...
the empower effect is not that huge
visual fern
Like with this yes ur OP might reset mortal strike to send it again, but ur miss...
You can also run into the situation where MS resets itself
The difference is so minor
candid kindle
thats what hes telling you saying iyts the same wtv format u use
crude bridge
So to be clear what are you recommending to do in your 3 globals between cleaves?
MS first? Then depending on what procs go from there?
visual fern
I generally just MS first unless it's a massive all CDs/lust type of pull
Since MS first will have (marginally) more prio dam
And that is how I like to play in keys
crude bridge
I generally just MS first unless it's a massive all CDs/lust type of pull
And if its a massive pull what do you do instead?
visual fern
OP first
Since that will have (marginally) more raw aoe #s
But it doesn't help kill the individual mobs
crude bridge
Ok so massive pull, OP MS OP then cleave?
halcyon grove
lets goooo
visual fern
However if you're doing a massive pull like that you're not too concerned about single targetting the one mob anyway - unless it's something you already know to focus down - say the big robots start of motherlode
halcyon grove
crude bridge
Otherwise MS first
halcyon grove
lets goooo
hollow scarab
crude bridge
Should you ever cast 2 MS in a row if you have an OP avaliable?
Or should you always alternate if you can
visual fern
Depends on what your goal is
If you're trying to focus down a prio mob
Sure
If you have only a few limited globals left before the pack is over, decision might change
If not, doesn't matter really
Colossus m+ is super simple, if you can press cleave press cleave, if you can't press cleave > press ms or op, if you can't pres either > exe > can't exe? slam/clap
Tier set
Cleave/MS buffs OP
OP buffs MS/Cleave
crude bridge
Isn't clap higher prio than OP and MS when SS is down?
visual fern
OP resets MS, MS and Cleave reset themself
naive sage
Isn't clap higher prio than OP and MS when SS is down?
No
Tclap is used to apply Rend
quasi torrent
clap does peepee damage and rend also does bleh damage
visual fern
Depends what you're trying to do
crude bridge
On wowhead it says in Aoe prio clap does more damage because of multiple targets than OP and MS if SS is down
visual fern
If you just want the "most aoe damage number"
Sure clap first
But like
It doesn't help you kill anything
It's just bloated number
You killing that scary mob 5s faster and preventing a cast that needs interrupt/stun/defensive
Will have way bigger impact
crude bridge
visual fern
Than you prioing clap and doing 10k more aoe dps
naive sage
On wowhead it says in Aoe prio clap does more damage because of multiple targets...
Casting op buffs cleave
crude bridge
Makes sense
candid kindle
yes this is what a bot does following a perfect script to maximize dmg but not to maximize an actual encounter thats what garms is telling you
crude bridge
I wish wowhead wouldn't put shit like this to confuse players that are new or don't know better
candid kindle
in kwys sometimes u gotta nuke a certain add
bc if u dont do it its so aids
as a player u have to adapt to situations
visual fern
It's not so much as
"Just do X"
But more, what do you want to get out of your button presses and work backwards from there
Why are you doing X
crude bridge
Definitely makes sense. I just wish these guide sites would specify things better and not put things like that there because newer players to a spec like myself would just take that prio list as is and go with it. Unless they went and asked people like here
candid kindle
the guides are there so you understand how the things works
but u gotta adapt
because as a player you will make mistakes and you will have to correct them
and you will have to adapt also
to situations
crude bridge
Yeah I know, I just wish it wouldn't have like a set in stone prio list like that thats technically the wrong way to play it just because clap does a tiny bit more dps
visual fern
I mean even here it says MS > OP
candid kindle
its because clap does a dot, so if applied arly ure inflating numbers
rain cipher
Definitely makes sense. I just wish these guide sites would specify things bette...
it is ok to ask here and learn. it is a learning curve.. part of the journey 😄
visual fern
In the sense if you have to ask "why would I ms or op over the other" you are trying to achieve a particular end result
crude bridge
I mean even here it says MS > OP
No i know that's what sparked my question, cuz in that video you sent me which was the one I followed yesterday, Mad ox on his prio list for aoe colossus as OP above MS
If you look
visual fern
Yah I peeped it earlier when I linked it
crude bridge
Yeah thats what sparked the question in the first place because the wowhead guide was different than what he had in his video
stone marsh
Hi guys, i heard arms is s tier for this season. Is it worth rerolling?
rancid solstice
Dreadnaught would emphasize OP over MS for me
But it’s adapting to what in front of you at any given moment
visual fern
Hi guys, i heard arms is s tier for this season. Is it worth rerolling?
If you have fun with it, why not
Hard to quantify "worth" without any additional context
stone marsh
If you have fun with it, why not
Hard to quantify "worth" without any additiona...
I haven't tried it
Don't know if its fun
visual fern
Only one way to find out
stone marsh
But I want to do top dps
visual fern
You are more likely to perform better on a class you enjoy that's a bit weaker tuned (barring some downbad exceptions) than you are rerolling to flavor of the patch
naive sage
Hi guys, i heard arms is s tier for this season. Is it worth rerolling?
You will struggle getting invited into pug keys but if you’re in a raiding guild you’ll have fun
visual fern
Arms is strong and fairly simple
Some people find that fun, some people find it boring
crude bridge
I love that i play the 2 classes that get invited to keys least lol
Hunter and warrior
naive sage
I love that i play the 2 classes that get invited to keys least lol
I used to think the same, but I am old and tired now can’t waste 40 min in queue anymore
crude bridge
I used to think the same, but I am old and tired now <:deadge:900279927138578432...
I don't love it lol. But I love playing them more than I do playing a different class that's not fun and gets invited more
naive sage
You’re absolutely right, lucky me I love enha since ever and it is appreciated in pug
crude bridge
I tried enh, too complicated for me
naive sage
It is simpler now imo, you just have to work on your muscle memory and a bit of reactivity
rugged cypress
Yo a ring dropped in raid that had a +1 luck stat. Can someone tell me what luck does?
deft bluff
Are we cooking gang
wanton pumice
Yo a ring dropped in raid that had a +1 luck stat. Can someone tell me what luck...
nothing
fervent lark
has this been forgotten in the wowhead trinket list in multitarget or is it just so bad outside aoe?^^
edgy solstice
floodgate pugs are cursed
willow quarry
guys which weapon enchant purely for m+ ?
fair tinsel
demolish needs to root every enemy it hits so tanks can't int my damage
give it the fking spear tether
quasi torrent
💀
undone aurora
What do you guys find most effective as a way of tracking your bleeds?
remote ledge
Bleeds over the nameplates, weak aura with core abilities
fossil thistle
If I’m reading correctly, are we back to 2x exe -> MS rotation once we replace tier?
Or strictly still with 2xEP 2xMP / refresh rend?
storm crypt
ez
split cairn
Wowhead has arms as the only s tier dps for raid lol
edgy solstice
why do i have to be sucking off blazikon to be in melee range
fossil thistle
ez
Not the best comparison, but I went from 639 chest/helmet to 649 helm 645 chest and it was +21k sim
Portion of that is ofc just raw stat
fossil thistle
What do you guys find most effective as a way of tracking your bleeds?
Ngl mentally drilled into my brain for rend uptime over years lol.
You can make a simple WA pre-made rend tracker too
storm crypt
Not the best comparison, but I went from 639 chest/helmet to 649 helm 645 chest ...
ah nice, thanks
tacit sandal
Does warbreaker apply deep wounds?
fresh spire
naive sage
Does warbreaker apply deep wounds?
Not trying to be rude but you can gain a lot with your gameplay by reading your talents (yes by the way)
wanton sierra
hey fellow arms, how is your season startin? i got a couple champion gear and 1 hero... bad secondaries xD but fun
gritty yoke
hi can anyone tell me whats making cleave sometimes doesnt trigger it's cd? trying to look in talents but cant find anything
hazy flower
exhilirating blows
gritty yoke
ah i see thanks. i somehow only read the MS part
lunar remnant
Brand new oled monitor out of the box not even an hr later this white line starts showing up randomly..
true ridge
Yikes
hollow plover
Brand new oled monitor out of the box not even an hr later this white line start...
did you smack it in a warrior rage
quasi torrent
Brand new oled monitor out of the box not even an hr later this white line start...
RMA time
the halfpipe of tech failure
quasi torrent
yes ofc
rich ridge
Trinket sims out yet?
quasi torrent
all trinkets are bad
cloud gyro
WOW this is crazy strong
eager current
WOW this is crazy strong
where is it from/
sullen zealot
Sorry if i missed it and it was obvious but i just came back to arms and i cant find the reason the wowhead guide says to use avatar with sweeping strikes and not after and i feel confused.
tropic eagle
yoooo, came back after a couple months blind. We seem to be pumping! Did arms finally get some love?
dense vector
Floodgate trinket is solid
latent arrow
what is the best way to sim for m+ currently for arms?
can this be good even if it doesn't align with avatar?
remote ledge
what is the best way to sim for m+ currently for arms?
1T 5m
5T 5m
8-10T 5m
Most people just sim st and don't bother unless you wanna sim for some aoe trinket
rain cipher
how much dps should i do in +2 keys as 639 ilvl? 🧐
boreal quartz
can this be good even if it doesn't align with avatar?
If it sims better ye
Itll be akward tho
lunar remnant
A lot of top 10 rankings for bosses is arms fury mixed love to see variety
naive sage
how much dps should i do in +2 keys as 639 ilvl? 🧐
More than 1400 for sure.
limpid apex
guys are you sending the spark today to craft wrists/ cape with crit emb ? or is delaying for weapon the play?
neon socket
im on the fence as i dont know if ill mix and match between arms and fury lol
unique aspen
I believe weapon dmg gives most dps and since our bis weapon is a rare drop from boss i think best is to wait for weapon craft
lunar remnant
im on the fence as i dont know if ill mix and match between arms and fury lol
This is the way
solar quarry
Can a bunch of you say we should get PI during execute so I can screenshot for raid later?
inner valve
We should definitely get PI during execute (thank me later)
strange perch
@thick kelp type something
junior lava
Does anyone know when we should break 4set?
Sorry if its been possted somewhere already
hollow scarab
When you get new 4 set , I believe
junior lava
Cool
somber hawk
2+2 was an upgrade for me, just sim using gear compare to see
hollow scarab
But yeah, sim yo self
junior lava
Yea makes sense
I was only 624 going into raid but got a Normal non tier helm and pants
So Ill sim to see if breaking is an upgrade
ripe igloo
Real quick, arms or fury for M+
ripe igloo
Okay ty sir
arctic fjord
for the colossus m+ build, do we hold ravager to use with avatar? or any other cooldowns?
remote ledge
Real quick, arms or fury for M+
One is target capped, one isn't
ripe igloo
One is target capped, one isn't
So you're saying Fury
remote ledge
Fury is target capped, arms isn't. Do dungeons and just think that, every time there are more than 5 mobs at a time, fury is bad
shadow ibex
holy fuck DN is so bad
naive sage
https://wago.io/q19N7LlRO
What is it doing
ripe igloo
Fury is target capped, arms isn't. Do dungeons and just think that, every time t...
Thank you
shadow ibex
@minor gust doin keys with no EP
unreal halo
guys anyone has the spreadsheet for the spell reflect?
quasi torrent
check #protection pins