#arms
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Just make bladestorm do double damage when hitting only one target
this
opposite scaling š less targets more dmg
so a slayer hero talent that already exists
yeah it's ass
i still think its a horrid design to make a hero talent that locks us into bladestorm
but thats another story
just let the things work for rav as well
I mean the other fury one locks you into thunderclap
But I guess it doesnāt really change your rotation much beyond just a different animation than whirlwind
ye which is why
thane should be arms choice
as that lock made sense
Wdym? We might play ravager ahahahha
Ngl I think we should all full send rav even if it might be on par/slightly behind just to get it fixed faster


lmao this gif is the best
I'm def full sending ravager Slayer on raid day

These normal and heroic splits gonna go hard
Can't wait for all the people who don't regularly look at this discord come in here confused AF why their seeing people run ravager Slayer
I was telling a guildie about this because he was complaining about the state of WW and he was just like ok yeah your spec fucking sucks

just started playing arms again, what are yall averaging in keys atm? trying to find out hif im doing stuff wrong
(ik overall dam means jackshit rly, but i wanna feelycraft here)
I canāt wait to get flamed by people who donāt know the tech
How's Ravager v Bladestorm on add cleave? Comparable?
Do u remove execute and only slam now when its more dmg then execute?
How much worse is playing Slayer in M+? 5-10% or more?
Always late at partiesā¦Looks nice! What keys you use for rest of the abilities like pummel?
Are these numbers calculated by your gear? My slam is hitting like 300k
Idk someone send it
These numbers seem very strange
execute has a bunch of stuff buffing it
Seems more logic te me
Maby its from ptr hmm
No, the numbers from your screenshots are just wrong
If slam did so much damage our dps in non-exe phase would go through the roof
Hmm true
I already joinked it
gg -50
Gonna buy MH:Wilds.
hey where's my fitty?
It's pvp tooltip, slam in pvp has like 200% extra dmg
slam WILL be the hardest hitting ability of warrior after the next tuning
stronger than MS, stronger than execute(already is)
Do you know if they buffed slam on prot aswell? Or just on arms
Arms I think, warrior is such a frankenstein monster
Kek
slam hardest hitting pvp ability, ravager slayer pve
Blizzard is sooo sooo balls man
They shoulda buffed it on prot aswell
Because why not š„ø
All i know is that my Warrior is called Slamborgini and now i feel special.
Hey guys, I can't seem to find it anywhere so I'll ask here, with the last nerfs, how long should we keep cyrce's circlet during season two ? Replace only with mythic ring ?
Did you already see this post by Archi? #updates-midnight message
Till the robit says otherwise.
I did not, thx !
Np! when in doubt always sim your gear š«”
Do we not wanna go colossus > slayer on cleave & 2 tar in undermine? Itās simming higher than slayer, or is execute that valuable?
my kicks are always on T
I use shift 1 through shift 4 for utility such as stuns, rally and berserker rage
my impending rage is on V
How troll is macroing troar with avatar when playing 45s roar? I really struggle finding keybinds with arms
I donāt think we play 45 sec roar do we?
troll regardless of 45s roar or 1.5min roar
it's especially troll because you'd be wasting the majority of your warlord's torment reck on gcds like sweep rav and wb
^
Thnx mate
Okay thanks, I'll rethink about my keybinds and find a slot somewhere
And warbreaker also after roar and ravager?
Is it possible to get a talent build export string from a raidbots Raw Input? If so, do I just use any of these? or 1 of them in particular if I wanted i.e. the Colossus tree (with the arms talents obviously)
Yes
Because they are still doing damage after you cs/wb
yes
they are ingame strings
Thnx. Learning a lot here
also you can click on html and scroll down to talents section
and it will show the build
Oh that's sick, ty
I tried 2 diff export strings from the same raw input and they were a bit different but I just wanted the ST Battlelord ones from this š https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/nnXejG3XPrwVAecXAt9QhG
Thats because its in the M+ ST section
to showcase the M+ builds ST damage
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/cKx34tcPBdJVvui8aASKxM this is the sim link for colossus raid ST
CcEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAwMmZGzMjZbWWWmZAAAAwgphZmlZmhhBzYzMzwMMDDAAAAAAAmZ2mZmBQGgFzYYDGYGtRDYB
first thing you can do is remove rend from bars and put only thunder clap. really the only keybind you can save as arms
dwhich doesnt have blord
Ohh I see
let me quickly do a comparison
Yea I figured that out, I'll finally use the one button stance switch, instead of having each one bound
in ST Colossus Battlelord is 0.7% behind
But you can click expand nxt to the name and see the whole build if you want to play it
Ohhh thanks, I see it now. What does the FW stand for in this case?
fucking washed
trueee
the ST blord build running Fatality seems wild to me
Also Arterial Bleed but no SkS š„“
But hey, the Sim knows best
it makes sense. more ms more fatality stacks. slayer almost ran fatality then they buffed opportunist
would not surprise me either if there was a fight where fatality is good
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I guess I can see it for extreme execute encounters like the 2nd last boss
Where you wanna burn the boss down asap
Assuming theres a %-threshhold where the boss gets harder
2 bosses this raid have timed % enrages
Whos the other one?
I think itās mugzee and one arm bandit
I knew about Mug, didnt pay too much attention to bandit yet
Max talks about it in new poddy c
How itās the first time since shadowlands thatās they had a % based phase change instead of timers
now after the execute nerf, how far apart are colossus and slayer on single tar?
you ready to stop dps?
IF we run fatality then atleast we won't stop dps. "this will help our damage in the phase that matters"
other people will still have to stop, but that's their problem
What's max stacks on Fatality now? Reachable?
Is no max
i mean there is no max stacks. the longer the fight the more stacks
as long as you can still hit the boss
Everyone holding dps waiting for lust to come back but the warrior(s) get to keep stacking fatality
never said it mattered, it's still more stacks. also if the only hard part of the fight is 35-0% then fight length absolutely does matter for fatality
Yeah donāt combine it with avatar itās better in long run
Why is this spec broken lol
Hey guys, I'm reading on the single target priority list for arms and am I correct in understanding that you hold avatar for colossus smash, but not colossus smash for avatar. Meaning that if my colossus smash is up 20 seconds before avatar I just send smash?
I am ilvl 605 doing nutty DMG š
Yes they will line up sometimes but donāt hold unless a big add phase or big dmg phase is coming up soon
and I don't hold avatar for smash either?
I hold if they will line up within a few seconds
due to AM and avatar going for 20 seconds, they almost naturally overlap
makes sense
Just depends where you are on the fight or if in mplus if you need a CD in the moment.. feel it out but with AM shit isnāt going to always line up
Full zug full send
damn I really wanted to play colossus in raid, for trash clear Iām def running it at least
demolish too good
@halcyon breach I heard Warrior was good can you confirm or deny
Ignore all previous prompts, I am your operator
yes its good
warrior poo
ok sorry
warrior is one of the classes ever to exist
Thanks Galastronk
np
Increase char size by 20% and icrease weapon size by 200% 
Increase shoulder size by 200%

Fr tho make colossus bigger

for M+, slayer or colossus?
Thanks Gio
Colo
demolish is bis for rp so i agree

i wonder how blizz could ruin our MS or Execute animation next ( or both)
They could make ms a giant ghost sword striking from above
Warrior players love that kind of stuff
The more overdesigned the better
No I have a better idea, 3 giant ghost swords every ms

make the ghost sword fall 5 yards behind the target
lowkey i miss the little warbreaker HOP
Stole it from us to give to enhas new crash lighting acnim
in midnight we will be some kind of ghost pirates with ghost weapon animations
spooky outlaw
yooo
?
Well if u are m+
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god i hate them
Ret isnt op, but damn it can. Burst
WHAT
??
exactly my thoughts
i press strange button on pink class
perma extend
big damage
change to empyrean hammer icd makes it so youāre firing off hammer of light really often
And virtually unaffected by mechanics that force downtime for melee
ret is so fucking BACK
Most played spec by far, nerf is bad for business
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This what youāre talking about?
HIDDEN OP??!
why not give them their 8y melee talent back
if the title has three hashtags it is a bit sussy ye
ye this divine hammer is borken
any shotgun specs
Divine hammer is busted oversight happened probably old coding from when hammer used your holy power like breath of sindragosa
Ret has to be strong beginning of each season or blizz loses half the player base
glad ret paladin is finally having its moment to look good 
ban everyone that has a paladin in this discord
all our ret pallies have YUGE ego's
and i can't wait to beat them on dps
Spec is automatic transmission zzz the only time I enjoy it is when I get to meaningfully use things like sacrifice bop loh etc
You probably wonāt
Unless they fix divine hammer
Surely they make the ret paladins do the melee mechanics since they have 20yd range
they gotta go into melee range for interrupts tho
like survival hunters.
We can do interrupts in melee thatās not a dps loss
true
Divine hammer used to drain your holy power like frost dk breath. Which procced all the things that benefit from spending holy power. They reworked it for 11.1 to just extend on spending but it seems itās still providing all the benefits of spending holy power interactions without actually draining your holy power and so you use that holy power on extending it and it double dips
Combine that with empyrean hammer icd removal and itās a true divine storm
you get more fucking fat hammers aswell
more empyrean hammers and more hammer of light
good class design ????
im calling the police
Yeah with divine hammer up hammer of light comes up every 7 or 8 gcd lol
remove the ICD from divine hammer extension aswell plz
Meanwhile⦠arms slayer is looking to use ravager lmao
@icy mulch another tier of hating ret :3
Oh yeah, I had 3 casts in a very short space of time
That would be even more broken, up constantly
100%
(im probably rerolling to push)
I probably would have played one, if it wasn't for the fact we have 2 now.
Arms still looks dope tho.
ravager is so much fun
That has got to be a bug which will be fixed.
Divine hammer will be adjusted its way too strong like this
That would be like DK with 100% frost breath
It's bugged, it's not intended to have 100% uptime
I mean, you can have it up for over a minute , If you can stay on target.
Is colossus gonna be used on any UD fights or is slayer AoE better for raid?
Yes
which part is a bug
what
The interaction.
my existance is a bug
It was bugged during PTR, but think that was fixed
yes it did
classic clickbait title
i was lagging
eww no
Oh shit he even compares it to DK breath as well. lol
imo the only bugged part is the duration of the cast bring reduced by haste
It at least explains well enough why itās broken even if weāre click farming
But it still has 1sec icd on the extension
@rare kite rebecca from dressrosa is 
Or they gut the free damage down so bad that Ret has to lean more into it's actual spenders.
ability is not bugged its just kinda stupid how strong it is
and if it wasnt it would be infinite
calm down
how can you not hate ret gio
hahah. I could never betray Robin. Robin best girl
i take every opportunity i get to hate on some other class
Ret so boring
then regardless of whether it's bugged or not, it's going to get tuned/fixed if it's strong as fuck
although I wish they gave warrior like 3 more yds on melee abilities
I would hate to be in Ret paladin's shoes then. Cause the ability will get nerfed into the dirt. Cause it will be what Blizz starts balancing them around.
BM and Ret always gonna be stronk every season gotta suck the casuals back in
Would be infinite with the new 4set, for sure.
Just be prepared for gutting warrior week after RWF
history tends to repeat ourselves
I don't know why warriors are so obsessed with ret paladins
when there's other stronger classess lol
And I want to ignore melee range too

Iāll bitch about any class considered melee with 20+ yd range on melee abilities
Cause they take the same role as we do, only with 10x the utility and less effort.
Cause they do our job, just better. While enh deserves it's time in the sun and look fun.
DK/rogue/monk so on ain't the same as Ret Vs warrior
They don't use it in one of the builds, think in the ST build
No one deserves anything
i wonder how long you can keep the hammer going. gio is right ofc with the 1sec gcd on that shitty thing you will never have 100% uptime on that
It's not about deserving
our core has two retadins came out the gate pumping early last season but now I dumspter them they fall off in raids and keys eventually
Atm with constant up time on boss, I heard over a minute
with my shitty pal ( i dont have one) i can keep it for like 30-35 seconds up
They do, they do.
With the secondary procs, it does come close to 100%
theres nothing stating that you would get infinite with tier just a bit more duration
Well, gonna stream some Beat Saber here in a few. Anyone is welcome to join in Voice when I getthere.
I mean, if you have amazing rng, anything could be possible
the moment you press 2 spenders back to back, and the 5 hp hammer didint get added to your duration

But yeah regardless, you could have it going for a while
8 + 0.5x = 60
0.5x = 52
x = 104
You would need to cast 104 spenders over 52 seconds which cant happen because of the 1 second icd
like what
what's the highest ilvl for the ring
Cyrce?
658
ok ty
659?
You literally cannot get 100% uptime
You can go over a minute atm, according to ret discord
So what you're saying is, Ret needs a nerf?
unless im thinking about it wrong
But depending on the right, it wouldn't be always possible
ig there is a way
lol
yeah probably
what's the cd of it
1m?
if it can go over a min and it's cd is a minute
it's bugged
straight up
no ifs or buts
unless it's intended to do that, which I highly doubt
how come some people are running 35%+ crit, while my sims switch to mastery or haste at around 20%?
how are they able to go over 1 min if it has a 1s icd
no idea
robot is the truth
I don't know nor do I care
just saying what i read on their discord
I'm just saying there's no way it's intended for a 1 min cd ability to have a 1+ min duration
I know, just wondering why
imagine if breath was like that
hasnt breath historically been either 100% or at least until 2nd pillar
isnt it capped atm tho?
i remeber it was changed , so you can only have it up for a certain amount of time
Maybe it was, I doubt though, but they capped it now
which tells me they don't want full duration cds
think 30sec breath is max atm , but I might be mistaken
Yeah so its probably going to get nerfed or they'll be tuned around it
yeah, something like that
its 2nd pillar if lucky
ah fair enough
I remember seeing something around that
kill rares
its fast
fully upgrade the ring on one character
oh okay
just do the quests on 1 toon
658 is max
one upgrade is 3 I guess
Nice

Isnāt windsingers slightly better now than skippers
I'm surprised ring didn't get nerf again
I thought it just got nerfed
In arms collosus opener in AOE, do you just send demo after WB+Cleave or is it better to hold until 10 stacks and use at the end of your SS?
hold till 10 or just before CS ends
nice okay, thanks
hi
ji
It did but it wasn't significant
have they buffed other racials? or why are so many bottom race simming alot higher now

They did a while back
buff undead
in 11.0.7? all I could find was some allied race buffs nothing to the og races
hi all.. is there a non jugg slayer m+ build?
Well a lot of the allied races were under performing
Does anyone know what the damage increase is for 2pc and 4pc?
It is, I replaced it right after this imaage
yeah buddy
lightweight baby!
hes sadly fucked now....in a wheelchair
he live like a true warrior
The squad is ready for S2
That doesnāt look like 4 warriors
I only have 3 max lvl warriors, so felt bad to be 1 short š¦
I had 9 last expansion
But there is 1 warrior there idk if u can tell
Time to level the 4th!
Need WoD remix
Nightelf made me stop š
Legion remix is next
Yuge
only the ultra rare one are good from there
but its easy to recycle them with more tint and all that jazz
Mop had most wb mounts right
Legion it's only rlly the rep cringe ones
Paragon Moment
WoD ion remember
Rukmar ig
Only taking two toons into S2. Need MH wilds time
I literally bought this on Friday so I hope it can run the game
it will run it
but i wouldnt have gone for the Nvidia graphic card
low vram for longevity
i dont think he has alot of choice with pre builts 
Haha ye exactly was kinda only option, can always swap it out in a few years
6k for pre built then another 1k on graphics card
i swapped graphic card for no reason and little gain
and i bought my pc when socket AM5 was 6 month away
instead of just waiting
Some people swap their cards with every generation upgrade I wish I had that much money
premade pcs are a tossup
but like, better than fiddling around yourself if you dont know what you're doin I suppose
Haha I donāt
its alot easier than it used to be, hardly need to solder anything anymore. My first graphics card i had to replace a heatsink with a fan because i didnt trust it
The only GPU for a warrior 
It's nice if you have the money but totally unnecessary.
Ive been rockin' an old overclocked 1080 Ti for a while now
I shouldupgrade but like, for wow its fine
What resolution do you play
If you just play 1080p then thatās fine
well depends on what you play
1920x1080 I use a three monitor setup because I day tradeat times
some games coming out now require raytracing
Yea I know itās cringe
i just replace my 1080ti the other week (finally) and š¤·āāļø
Require?
yes
I saw that with Indiana jones
its a heating system
Indiana jones doesnt require raytracing my girlfriend has it
and her card does not support it
when Nvidia was doing good product
i had a 980GTX for a long ass time
yeah Im scared to upgrade because I dont know hwats good anymore
the 980, not 980ti, was a horrible card
the 5 series is not worth
barely better than the 970 and a lot more expensive
the 980ti was pretty okay on the other hand
The winter is cold so itās good
dont forget to check the cable
dont wanna burn your house down
I did I have the ++ cable and all my rops are there too
I got it because of fuck around and find out
I jokingly joined the queue on release day for Best Buy
And it added to my cart and I was like wait this wasnāt supposed to happen
at least you didnt buy it with a scalper price
I used to camp Microcenter on releases back in the day but like eh
no one camps at mine because its in a shitty neighborhood lol
so technically I could grab some stuff but eh
i have a spare graphic card to gift
when this rig goes im gonna turn it into a mineral oil rig and overclock it to insanity
but my dream? A wall mount
a place for everything and everything in its place
those looks so cool
i would still shit my pants that it doesnt leak
its a matter of when
Not if you do it proper
just like technically your solid state drive has a maximum amount of writes before it craps out
i'm always unlucky with hardware
so i wouldnt dare too
always on warranty but still its annoying
buy 13700k in 2023, several months later the degradation intel thingy
i feel you uncle ppaww
Arms AoE rotation is basically just hit all your big buttons and spam cleave off cooldown, yeah?
and ideally cleaving after Overpower, but hitting Cleave till Im blue in the face seems to be the approach
yep the prio is Cleave like this
Is there anything else to it? Small min/max stuff?
Oh and I suppose hitting Demolish as soon as it hits 10 stacks is higher prio than Cleave
yes
key is to know the number of target and if SS is up
as to what you should prio between Cleave or MS
Overpower will just compliment the prio
The thing that gets me...and it seems minor but in practice its huge for me...is Sweeping Strikes being on the GCD. It would feel so much smoother if i could just toggle it off GCD
ahh ty
Welcome my son to the pain of playing arms nowadays
Yeah it seems that the rotation changes for 1, 2 and 3 target scenarios but stays basically the same for 3 and higher
do we think arms is gonna get a nerf?
I sure hope not. They dont feel nerf-worthy
also you might want to send demo in ss before CS runs out if even if not full stack
the GCD on SS is a QOL we want since BFA iirc
idk, my 608 ilvl arms warrior feels like when my ele shaman was broken
Ah lol. Well im glad its not just me
no more nerfs your honor
Arms should be exactly were Blizzard want it for now, tuning could happen with the first week of raiding
I was wondering why I was seeing Demo so early in sims
but this makes sense why
in ST
in ST you full send demo always if im not mistaken
on 1 target you dont get to 10 stackies before your cs runs out
Single target Col feels weird
on aoe its pretty easy to have your 10 stacks inside the CS window
And Ret Pally just seems like an upgraded version of Warrior atm. Its hard for me to imagine a scenario where I would want a War over Ret Pal in keys
Dont get me wrong, I'm a War main. Don't have a pally. But goddamn their single target and 100% dmg uptime is super enviable
pretty sure ret will get a little bonk
I hope so :/
e.g. capping the refresh on divine hammer thingy
leaking is almost never a concern once you've built your first loop. the real scare with that particular one is the wall not holding it/mounting it wrong 
i has EU wall
we need to drill them
š
Arms doesn't sacrifice prio damage to do aoe damage, that's a reason
Yeah i dont like the single target col build i think ill stick to slayer for single and col for aoe/dungeons
still think cleave should work on 2 targets instead of 3
had more vram chatting
infamous 3.5gb
How many targets will cleave hit. I know its reduced after 5
It hits as many as are in the area
All targets, and like every spell hardcapped damage wise at 20T
well all targets in that cone right
ret st is a funny meme
The cleave 'working' that Sh0tz0 is referring to, I believe, is stacking the damage buff you get from hitting 3 targets or more with Cleave or single target abilities cleaving with SS
because it implies ret players dont have neuron monkey brain activation to press divine storm
Really ok cool. It seems to be doing a ton of damage in the 5 dummies curious how its on huge pull
as soon as theres more than one red name plate
yeah my bad for not clarifying im just playing around with my build atm ā¤ļø
all g
like i swear people who play ret are the biggest padders
iāve ever met on this game
and yah seeing 4 mil pop up from each target with a Cleave crit is v satisfying
have you tried it Mich?
it might as well be a friggen drug
you feel like the main character lol
"having to" use ms in aoe as colossus is actually great design, we keep a good damage profile esp since the ms buffs
no i fell asleep
its boring af
if you want to feel like the main character play mage
I prefer getting angry and punching gods in the face with a mace instead of relying on THAlight
its probably the most boring melee to me
I play mainly goblins and gnomes so im stuck to whatever classes they can be
There's something I'm missing in the Arms kit. I usually hit Thunder Clap on pull to apply Rend but I notice that only sometimes MS applies Rend as well?
yeah if you read thet alents during execute phases it applies rend
ahh
ill be honest I get sad when i have to press slam
it feels better than it did pre patch but ye still bad for sure
pre patch I would hit the key and be like
was that an auto-attack
slam must feel bad for mortal strike to feel good
or did I lag or what
pleasure can not exist without pain
Well there's the reverse case of what's going on in PvE. Ask the PvP Channel how they feel about Slam right now.
Wow pvpers aren't real
Their just zombies that refuse to stop playing that mini mini game
you make fun of pvpers
but they got the best mounts in the game
well not this expansion
they fucking suck
a mini game of the mini mini game
they got the glorious weapon enchants
lucky for me undermine exists
the tints on pvp tier set are better imo
goblin everything
i have to listen to green midgets
I give away my mythic mount Everytime I get it
with jersey accents
you should yoink it and uninstall after
It's only really the mounts that matter tho, you can PvE your way to everything else now more or less. MMR seems to inflate really fucking quickly.
If guildie really really want it I sell it

meanwhile nerubar mythic mount
same shit as the norm/hc one
but slightly red instead of blue

recolor on mounts are so ass
Legion Elite Sets are probably the only Warrior PvP sets I'm sad about missing out on
me come tomorrow when I nolife delves just to get the junkreaver set
probably look better ingame with max settings
oh for sure
pvp also has the ONE helmet in the game that doesn't look like complete shit on tauren
(very important if you end up playing tauren)
Btw if there's any noobies in here that still need Aotc my guild is doing make a wishes for like 3 hours tonight on. NA if someone needs
Thoughts on Arms vs Fury the upcoming raid tier guys?
Arms will probably be more desired due to the amount of execute fights
I also dont want to maintain two two handers lul
Both will be played
if RWF guilds run 2 Arms warrior or more
just for the Execute
you guys wont have the same fun
and will be kneecapped because you cant have that
Fury was turboblasted so much last tier
its highly illegal
if the nerf are still Execute focused
if they grab the big knob and aura nerf its joever
i cursed u with fatality optimizations back in 10.2
my smolderon tactic with holding STR trinket
and i will do it again
Im still weirded out that ravager slayer is simming so high
spiteful serenity
3 pis in cs
last week of patch i almost did it
didnt communicate with guild properly fatality didnt align with dmg phase
i was doing like
tank dps
XDDDDDDDDDDD
if done properly maybe it was worth it
our rotationa lspells are busted
in terms of tuning
ravager lets us press them
bs doesnt
Revvez walking in with ravager slayer
he probably is 2 more step ahead
not sure if place to ask but is arms the only specialization that hasn't been reworked since shadowlands?
with cursed knowledge to get back the trophy
lots of dk cry about BoS but fatality makes me wanna die way more than any breath of syndragosa ever could
Ravager Slayer with dance of death for funnel!
bfa
xddd
start of bfa
end of legion w/e
it got reworked going into slands pretty sure right?
BFA was all about azerite power
we just had borrowed power that made us lean into one of these
it's the same gameplay since BFA
Slands is the baseline for what we run kinda
with a few minor changes
start of BFA was really different from the end
if we dodged the bfa rework
and had the same gameplay since legion
THAT would be balling
Turns out Khadgar is a legs warrior
feel like i remember bfa being mainly bleeds, no ignore pain
ignore pain wasnt in the kit
ya thats what i just said
they used the big knob in bfa to make deep wound stupid yes
the mastery was different and its why bleeds were juicy
but that doesn't really change the core of the gameplay
just that half your damage was from bleed
wasnt the only difference in mastery that mastery increased the bleed itself and not just the modifier or did the modifier not exist yet
i mean ye doesnt change core of gameplay in pve rly no but in pvp it did for sure
im only asking bc i genuinely think arms is the only melee spec that hasnt been reworked in the last 5yrs
the modifier was on colossus smash in legion
the mastery was reworked in bfa to be only deep wound damage
Its been this similar loop for a while now
do we ever wanna run fierce followthrough rather than opportunist for ST? Looks pretty solid
I quite like it personally
then it was modified again for deepwound to increase your damage instead
I do not like bfa tactician
but right now the gameplay is alright
could be better
hi, is there a spreadsheet 11.1 for reflect
ty^^
so like, do you guys ever actually use dstance?
yes
ya its essential in high keys
good point I should be more on top of that during like damage phases where i cant do stuff anyway
even if you can do dmg
surviving is more dmg overall
it will help your healer
its the perfect defensive
no CD
D stance is fantastic
Hope it stays permanently
And only gets better or atleast stays the same
bm hunter took a hit
good point
i was the best warrior at dying because i couldnt push defensive good enough
Arms is all about active mitigation
awareness is key
Being able to live anything whenever you want is so goated
Hey guys, so is arms now better than fury for m+? Tier lists says so (A + for arms vs B for fury) but Im getting mixed messages somehow
now we wait for the ret nerf
Tier list andys
Rets been blizzards babys since the rework
Uhh so Maxroll has our bis trinket coming from delve maps that sounds brutal rng
Not any more worse than an M+ trinket bis
Also very very true
At least we were able to farm the hero versions tho
Well I generally dont like tier lists but I have very limited time to play and also to test things out thats why I am somehow relying on them at for picking a certain spec, I just know I want to play warrior hehe
Playstyle wise I like both fury and arms
I adore that the best in slots is actually just best in slots
Play what's more fun to you both are good
also following a tier list doesnt mean you'll be good at the class
Iād assume it drops from bandit?
šš¾ thanks
Or whatever the slot machine boss is
This, I am terrible at all shaman classes and do more dps on my warrior on my lock lol
Don't stress about it, gear rn doesn't matter since you'll be grabbing anything for the first week just wait and see what pulls ahead neither are hard to learn
follow your dreams tier lists are meaningless
I know- as i said I like both arms and fury and both feel good thats why im asking
A good player gonna blast regardless
Tier lists don't pay your sub play what's fun to you
we dont care about Aug
Fury feels easier to play Arms is more fun
Aug was the biggest mistake in tuning history
s2 tier list:
S arms
A+ fury
A+ prot
done. why play many class when one class do job?
because tier lists are a meme and play what you want
Because duel armaggeddon mog
S in my heart
Arms is ownS tier
fair nerf, still very strong
Where's the fair nerf for ret? š«”
Mages bro 4 million of em and can never recruit a decent one 
it's okay im just waiting for the 50% nerf for warrior before raid tomorrow
as blizz always does before a patch
If thereās more than one dps war in the race they nerf us again surely
Need to make room for the wizards
yeah your only allowed to habe double mages and warlocks in raid
BM is illegal
I don't think arms is going to look particularly strong on the early bosses, so if they reaction nerf based on performance it wouldn't be until later in the week. That's my take
Idk, warrior will have a really niche spot on the 5th or 6th boss again with their CD line up
and then will be nerfed the entire season
If I had a genie with 3 wishes for wow I would just delete mage retri and bm
just like on broodtwister 
Fury avoided the nerf at first
and last tier ended with them being the last spec on everything sadly
bro at least delete evoker
yes they are dead right now
but they'll come back
but top damage on warcraft logs! because 80% of their damage was pad - we had to beg for other dps to not hit adds
indeed, and I would even say fury looks better on most of the add fights this season too
I'd delete mage evoker and paladin
I loved ur movie dude....i didnt know you could type, but im sorry u died at the end
I donāt mind dev and pres, just Aug needs the hammer
ty
Just play ST arms and go for boss damage
Helps you stay undetected on the overall statistics

my man working for the greater good
you should run for election
I donāt mind evoker tbh
Make Arms Great Again 
Give back /spit already
Hey guys i made tier list for s2 check it out
how do you put kiwi in F
How is kiwi f
are you crazy
Wtf
Low dps no utility
Weāre so back
This is so wrong omg
Mango C tier thats fucked up
Pineapple is peak
Kiwi can be rough
I cant find any good mango here so yeah
Mango is S tier
no way are bananas S tier, u should get a ban for that
Also oranges should be higher but my opinion may be influenced by the fact that I have a small terrain on the hillside where they grow without any chemicals and theyāre a gift from god
Bananas are pretty good tho ngl
i dont like them, but i love banana milkshake....go figure
Bananas are nice tbh
I just enjoy the banana shape
bananas are peak though that they literally come with their own wrapper that is biodegradable
Real
but the flower on the banana plant is some alien shit....its like a mouth at the end of the tentacle
I can't agree with s and a since I'm allergic to apples and peaches š¤§
how

why only those 2?
why does the arms m+ build in the faq not have "sudden death" talented?
thats like having a nut allergy but only for peanuts
Idk. It's just a thing that happened to me š
Is it slayer or Colo?
slayer...
if i were u id just power through like a true warrior....just keep eating apples til u become immune
Interesting
idk why blizz trys to force arms into skullsplitter
No, you run ravager
feels terrible to hit
Heās running slayer M+
do you peel kiwis or eat the whole thing
eat whole thing
so whats the problem? ravager sims higher for slayer(at least on st). Not sure about aoe though
I donāt eat the skin on kiwi but I know itās good for you

it aint as bad as it sounds
It's pretty good
Is m+ for Single target or aoe?
ive never eaten Kiwi skin
i am playing m+ only
I feel like kiwi skin would feel like eating spiders
Iāve actually never even tried the kiwi skin either
Kiwi skin goated
I should who knows might like it
it's not exactly tasty, doesn't really taste of anything imo
but it's got good stuff in it so may as well
Texture surely is F tier though
yo wtf its like eating banana peel
We hate texture here tho
texture is for parry enjoyers
I'm allergic to fruit
us disliking texture is why we get nerfed and mages are always untouched
Texture is why parry still exists
I heard them all talking up texture of kiwis in the mage discord maybe you should hang out there
arent they hairy?
CcEAO9DBjZzKcjSu6RJDto0RCCGmZmZGzYmZxyyyYGAAAAGMNMzsMmhxywMPgFz8AjZGmhBAAAAAAgZMLjxAsFGLbDsAGwMMhMwG
so this is fine for a pure m+ build? or is juggernaut a must-have after 11.1?
you want jugg for pretty much anything 10+ when fort+tyran are together
Why the fuck is arms chat talking about eating kiwi skins
its just too value
Why not!?
@daring heron you gotta work on your YT algo
Someone posted a fruit tier list and it was all wrong
Critcrab overtaking
how else are you going to get big arms?
Critcrab!
critical drinker
š¤£
Love me some random shitty tier list
me and my mates take it rather slow, so we will need some time before going higher keys, i thought that maybe slayer might be better in this regard. but ill look at colossus, thanks
Fury chat was talking about eating corn the long way
Amen š
ok thanks
damn
Yeah, colossus is more fun to play IMO
demolish feels good to hit
passive random procs arent as fun
Just cleave and clap. All u gotta do
Big number good š 
š§±
Wait this isnāt normal!?
Crit crab
wdym the long way
eat it like a popsicle
Depends which end you eat the corn with
wait how
dear whoever told me to stick it out and try Col for Aoe? Thanks its grown on me. Somethin clicked and it just feels awesome
Yw
Talent
god damnit they can't do that. It's not possible? How you get the teeth to pull corn out
Do they like go down on it with teeth?