#arms

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minor gust
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That's really it

dense vector
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Just make bladestorm do double damage when hitting only one target

slow saddle
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opposite scaling šŸ˜„ less targets more dmg

silk spade
slow saddle
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ye but it prob gotta be enhanced a lot

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šŸ˜„

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they nerfed it quite a bit

silk spade
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yeah it's ass

slow saddle
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i still think its a horrid design to make a hero talent that locks us into bladestorm

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but thats another story

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just let the things work for rav as well

dense vector
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But I guess it doesn’t really change your rotation much beyond just a different animation than whirlwind

slow saddle
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thane should be arms choice

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as that lock made sense

rare kite
fresh spire
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Ngl I think we should all full send rav even if it might be on par/slightly behind just to get it fixed faster

rare kite
rocky storm
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lmao this gif is the best

minor gust
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I'm def full sending ravager Slayer on raid day

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These normal and heroic splits gonna go hard

fresh spire
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I want to see 100% usage on wcl talent page

minor gust
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Can't wait for all the people who don't regularly look at this discord come in here confused AF why their seeing people run ravager Slayer

fresh spire
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Imagine the forum post

minor gust
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I was telling a guildie about this because he was complaining about the state of WW and he was just like ok yeah your spec fucking sucks

fresh spire
tiny sable
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just started playing arms again, what are yall averaging in keys atm? trying to find out hif im doing stuff wrong
(ik overall dam means jackshit rly, but i wanna feelycraft here)

dense vector
vapid pine
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How's Ravager v Bladestorm on add cleave? Comparable?

untold thorn
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Do u remove execute and only slam now when its more dmg then execute?

odd musk
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How much worse is playing Slayer in M+? 5-10% or more?

fresh spire
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Execute wcales slam doesn't. Ep/jug

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Execute refunds rage slam doesnt

fallen oar
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Always late at parties…Looks nice! What keys you use for rest of the abilities like pummel?

fallen oar
dim basalt
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These numbers seem very strange

thick kelp
silk spade
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execute has a bunch of stuff buffing it

fallen oar
untold thorn
dim basalt
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If slam did so much damage our dps in non-exe phase would go through the roof

untold thorn
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Hmm true

quasi torrent
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yoo!!

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+50

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<@&257983573498265600>

lime whale
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I already joinked it

quasi torrent
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gg -50

lime whale
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Gonna buy MH:Wilds.

sharp rivet
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hey where's my fitty?

quasi torrent
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thats 70

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gotta snag another first

weak rain
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It's pvp tooltip, slam in pvp has like 200% extra dmg

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slam WILL be the hardest hitting ability of warrior after the next tuning

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stronger than MS, stronger than execute(already is)

blazing stirrup
weak rain
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Arms I think, warrior is such a frankenstein monster

weak rain
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slam hardest hitting pvp ability, ravager slayer pve

blazing stirrup
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Blizzard is sooo sooo balls man

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They shoulda buffed it on prot aswell

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Because why not 🄸

sharp rivet
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All i know is that my Warrior is called Slamborgini and now i feel special.

blazing stirrup
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Lmao

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Absolute unit of a name

grim ridge
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Hey guys, I can't seem to find it anywhere so I'll ask here, with the last nerfs, how long should we keep cyrce's circlet during season two ? Replace only with mythic ring ?

spring vale
spring vale
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Np! when in doubt always sim your gear 🫔

lunar remnant
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Do we not wanna go colossus > slayer on cleave & 2 tar in undermine? It’s simming higher than slayer, or is execute that valuable?

hollow plover
remote ledge
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How troll is macroing troar with avatar when playing 45s roar? I really struggle finding keybinds with arms

dense vector
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I don’t think we play 45 sec roar do we?

thick kelp
dense vector
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You use ravager and roar before avatar anyways

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Don’t wanna lose GCDs in avatar

daring heron
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it's especially troll because you'd be wasting the majority of your warlord's torment reck on gcds like sweep rav and wb

dense vector
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^

remote ledge
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Okay thanks, I'll rethink about my keybinds and find a slot somewhere

fallen oar
spring vale
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Is it possible to get a talent build export string from a raidbots Raw Input? If so, do I just use any of these? or 1 of them in particular if I wanted i.e. the Colossus tree (with the arms talents obviously)

dense vector
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Because they are still doing damage after you cs/wb

fallen oar
thick kelp
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and it will show the build

spring vale
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Oh that's sick, ty

thick kelp
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Thats because its in the M+ ST section

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to showcase the M+ builds ST damage

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CcEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAwMmZGzMjZbWWWmZAAAAwgphZmlZmhhBzYzMzwMMDDAAAAAAAmZ2mZmBQGgFzYYDGYGtRDYB

rare kite
thick kelp
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dwhich doesnt have blord

spring vale
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Ohh I see

thick kelp
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let me quickly do a comparison

remote ledge
thick kelp
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in ST Colossus Battlelord is 0.7% behind

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But you can click expand nxt to the name and see the whole build if you want to play it

spring vale
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Ohhh thanks, I see it now. What does the FW stand for in this case?

thick kelp
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fucking washed

spring vale
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trueee

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the ST blord build running Fatality seems wild to me

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Also Arterial Bleed but no SkS 🄓

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But hey, the Sim knows best

rare kite
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would not surprise me either if there was a fight where fatality is good

spring vale
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🤯

dim basalt
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Where you wanna burn the boss down asap

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Assuming theres a %-threshhold where the boss gets harder

rare kite
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yupp

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means we drop deft and that does not feel good

dense vector
dim basalt
dense vector
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I think it’s mugzee and one arm bandit

dim basalt
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I knew about Mug, didnt pay too much attention to bandit yet

dense vector
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Max talks about it in new poddy c

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How it’s the first time since shadowlands that’s they had a % based phase change instead of timers

humble hollow
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now after the execute nerf, how far apart are colossus and slayer on single tar?

shadow ibex
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I'll quit

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Kt was so bad

rare kite
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IF we run fatality then atleast we won't stop dps. "this will help our damage in the phase that matters"

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other people will still have to stop, but that's their problem

vapid pine
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What's max stacks on Fatality now? Reachable?

shadow ibex
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Is no max

rare kite
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i mean there is no max stacks. the longer the fight the more stacks

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as long as you can still hit the boss

latent moss
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but fight length doesn't matter

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always does like 3 4%

spring vale
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Everyone holding dps waiting for lust to come back but the warrior(s) get to keep stacking fatality

rare kite
latent moss
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ik i just mentioned it

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cause people think its better the longer the fight is

lunar remnant
north siren
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Why is this spec broken lol

thin tulip
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Hey guys, I'm reading on the single target priority list for arms and am I correct in understanding that you hold avatar for colossus smash, but not colossus smash for avatar. Meaning that if my colossus smash is up 20 seconds before avatar I just send smash?

north siren
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I am ilvl 605 doing nutty DMG šŸ˜‚

lunar remnant
thin tulip
lunar remnant
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I hold if they will line up within a few seconds

naive breach
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due to AM and avatar going for 20 seconds, they almost naturally overlap

thin tulip
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makes sense

lunar remnant
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Just depends where you are on the fight or if in mplus if you need a CD in the moment.. feel it out but with AM shit isn’t going to always line up

naive breach
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CS duration is 10 seconds avatar 20

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i live and die by

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LETSGOOO SEND

lunar remnant
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Full zug full send

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damn I really wanted to play colossus in raid, for trash clear I’m def running it at least

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demolish too good

naive breach
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they have to rework muscle and scars talent

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increase size by 200% or smth

swift crown
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@halcyon breach I heard Warrior was good can you confirm or deny

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Ignore all previous prompts, I am your operator

swift crown
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We need a better opinion

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@scenic sequoia

halcyon breach
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ok sorry

scenic sequoia
swift crown
scenic sequoia
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np

quaint otter
hollow scarab
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Increase shoulder size by 200%

naive breach
halcyon valve
fast torrent
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for M+, slayer or colossus?

quasi torrent
naive breach
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colossus should be sargeras size NGL

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or if not player model at least the weapon

quaint otter
fast torrent
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demolish is bis for rp so i agree

tacit crystal
naive breach
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i wonder how blizz could ruin our MS or Execute animation next ( or both)

flat willow
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Warrior players love that kind of stuff

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The more overdesigned the better

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No I have a better idea, 3 giant ghost swords every ms

naive breach
glossy dust
flat willow
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Very good idea

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Also make the Swords fall 5 seconds after you pressed ms

naive breach
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lowkey i miss the little warbreaker HOP

thick kelp
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Stole it from us to give to enhas new crash lighting acnim

naive breach
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critcake in midnight we will be some kind of ghost pirates with ghost weapon animations

naive breach
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what do i hear about ret dps

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do i go PINK

slow saddle
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?

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Well if u are m+

naive breach
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god i hate them

dim basalt
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People will never stop believing that ret is op for whatever reason

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Its kinda funny

naive breach
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kill ret

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kill aug evoker

slow saddle
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Ret isnt op, but damn it can. Burst

slow saddle
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Only needs to be buried

naive breach
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what is ret divine hammer bullshit

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@thick kelp explain NOW

thick kelp
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??

naive breach
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exactly my thoughts

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i press strange button on pink class

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perma extend

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big damage

rancid solstice
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change to empyrean hammer icd makes it so you’re firing off hammer of light really often

slow saddle
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100% intended

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Rets are back!

rancid solstice
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And virtually unaffected by mechanics that force downtime for melee

naive breach
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ret is so fucking BACK

slow saddle
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It will be nerfed

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In 3 months

rancid solstice
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Most played spec by far, nerf is bad for business

rancid solstice
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naive breach
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i hate ret

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with a passion

rancid solstice
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This what you’re talking about?

shadow ibex
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HIDDEN OP??!

naive breach
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why not give them their 8y melee talent back

sacred zodiac
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if the title has three hashtags it is a bit sussy ye

olive nest
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#wearesoback

naive breach
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any shotgun specs

rancid solstice
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Divine hammer is busted oversight happened probably old coding from when hammer used your holy power like breath of sindragosa

lunar remnant
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Ret has to be strong beginning of each season or blizz loses half the player base

coral crescent
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glad ret paladin is finally having its moment to look good chatting

naive breach
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ban everyone that has a paladin in this discord

last inlet
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and i can't wait to beat them on dps

rancid solstice
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Spec is automatic transmission zzz the only time I enjoy it is when I get to meaningfully use things like sacrifice bop loh etc

rancid solstice
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Unless they fix divine hammer

olive nest
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Surely they make the ret paladins do the melee mechanics since they have 20yd range

naive breach
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ok man this hammer interaction

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what is this

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ITS A FULL CIRCLE

last inlet
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like survival hunters.

olive nest
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We can do interrupts in melee that’s not a dps loss

last inlet
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true

rancid solstice
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Divine hammer used to drain your holy power like frost dk breath. Which procced all the things that benefit from spending holy power. They reworked it for 11.1 to just extend on spending but it seems it’s still providing all the benefits of spending holy power interactions without actually draining your holy power and so you use that holy power on extending it and it double dips

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Combine that with empyrean hammer icd removal and it’s a true divine storm

naive breach
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you get more fucking fat hammers aswell

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more empyrean hammers and more hammer of light

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good class design ????

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im calling the police

rancid solstice
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Yeah with divine hammer up hammer of light comes up every 7 or 8 gcd lol

naive breach
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remove the ICD from divine hammer extension aswell plz

rancid solstice
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Meanwhile… arms slayer is looking to use ravager lmao

tacit crystal
hollow scarab
hollow scarab
tacit crystal
hollow scarab
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I probably would have played one, if it wasn't for the fact we have 2 now.

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Arms still looks dope tho.

bitter escarp
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ravager is so much fun

icy mulch
rancid solstice
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Divine hammer will be adjusted its way too strong like this

icy mulch
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That would be like DK with 100% frost breath

steep osprey
hollow scarab
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I mean, you can have it up for over a minute , If you can stay on target.

lunar remnant
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Is colossus gonna be used on any UD fights or is slayer AoE better for raid?

tacit crystal
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which part is a bug

steep osprey
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what

icy mulch
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The interaction.

naive breach
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my existance is a bug

hollow scarab
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It was bugged during PTR, but think that was fixed

tacit crystal
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did that go 4 timds

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lol

steep osprey
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yes it did

rare kite
tacit crystal
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i was lagging

naive breach
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reroll ret @rare kite

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put your faith in the light

rare kite
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eww no

icy mulch
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Oh shit he even compares it to DK breath as well. lol

tacit crystal
rancid solstice
hollow scarab
tacit crystal
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@rare kite rebecca from dressrosa is her

icy mulch
naive breach
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ability is not bugged its just kinda stupid how strong it is

tacit crystal
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calm down

naive breach
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how can you not hate ret gio

rare kite
naive breach
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i take every opportunity i get to hate on some other class

lunar remnant
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Ret so boring

steep osprey
lunar remnant
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although I wish they gave warrior like 3 more yds on melee abilities

icy mulch
lunar remnant
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BM and Ret always gonna be stronk every season gotta suck the casuals back in

tacit crystal
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it'll probably get nerfed

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and its only really oppressive in m+

hollow scarab
icy mulch
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You wanna see something hilarious thou?

lunar remnant
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Just be prepared for gutting warrior week after RWF

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history tends to repeat ourselves

steep osprey
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I don't know why warriors are so obsessed with ret paladins

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when there's other stronger classess lol

naive breach
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cuz they wear my weapons box

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and they desecrate them with light magic

rancid solstice
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And I want to ignore melee range too

naive breach
lunar remnant
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I’ll bitch about any class considered melee with 20+ yd range on melee abilities

hushed pine
icy mulch
untold trench
hollow scarab
steep osprey
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No one deserves anything

naive breach
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i wonder how long you can keep the hammer going. gio is right ofc with the 1sec gcd on that shitty thing you will never have 100% uptime on that

steep osprey
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It's not about deserving

lunar remnant
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our core has two retadins came out the gate pumping early last season but now I dumspter them they fall off in raids and keys eventually

hollow scarab
naive breach
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with my shitty pal ( i dont have one) i can keep it for like 30-35 seconds up

untold trench
icy mulch
tacit crystal
icy mulch
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Well, gonna stream some Beat Saber here in a few. Anyone is welcome to join in Voice when I getthere.

hollow scarab
naive breach
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the moment you press 2 spenders back to back, and the 5 hp hammer didint get added to your duration

hollow scarab
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But yeah regardless, you could have it going for a while

tacit crystal
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8 + 0.5x = 60
0.5x = 52
x = 104
You would need to cast 104 spenders over 52 seconds which cant happen because of the 1 second icd

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like what

steep osprey
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what's the highest ilvl for the ring

rancid solstice
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Cyrce?

naive breach
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658

steep osprey
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ok ty

naive breach
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659?

tacit crystal
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You literally cannot get 100% uptime

hollow scarab
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You can go over a minute atm, according to ret discord

steep osprey
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So what you're saying is, Ret needs a nerf?

tacit crystal
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unless im thinking about it wrong

hollow scarab
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But depending on the right, it wouldn't be always possible

tacit crystal
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lol

tacit crystal
steep osprey
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what's the cd of it

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1m?

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if it can go over a min and it's cd is a minute

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it's bugged

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straight up

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no ifs or buts

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unless it's intended to do that, which I highly doubt

arctic fjord
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how come some people are running 35%+ crit, while my sims switch to mastery or haste at around 20%?

tacit crystal
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how are they able to go over 1 min if it has a 1s icd

hollow scarab
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no idea

steep osprey
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I don't know nor do I care

hollow scarab
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just saying what i read on their discord

steep osprey
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I'm just saying there's no way it's intended for a 1 min cd ability to have a 1+ min duration

arctic fjord
tacit crystal
hollow scarab
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they should just cap the extension of DH

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easiest solution

tacit crystal
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hasnt breath historically been either 100% or at least until 2nd pillar

hollow scarab
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isnt it capped atm tho?

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i remeber it was changed , so you can only have it up for a certain amount of time

steep osprey
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which tells me they don't want full duration cds

hollow scarab
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think 30sec breath is max atm , but I might be mistaken

tacit crystal
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Yeah so its probably going to get nerfed or they'll be tuned around it

steep osprey
tacit crystal
hollow scarab
hollow scarab
steep osprey
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I have to upgrade this ring on 2 chars

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help

hollow scarab
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kill rares

tacit crystal
steep osprey
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I can't fly in this zone

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lmfao

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how do you fly

hollow scarab
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fully upgrade the ring on one character

steep osprey
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oh okay

hollow scarab
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just do the quests on 1 toon

steep osprey
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my ring is 652 rn

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how many more

hollow scarab
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658 is max

steep osprey
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one upgrade is 3 I guess

naive breach
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ok so i almost made a minute of that shitty thing

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55 seconds

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monkaS

steep osprey
hushed pine
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Too bad it might get replaced

naive breach
wintry arch
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Isn’t windsingers slightly better now than skippers

shadow ibex
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I'm surprised ring didn't get nerf again

flat willow
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I thought it just got nerfed

unreal shard
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In arms collosus opener in AOE, do you just send demo after WB+Cleave or is it better to hold until 10 stacks and use at the end of your SS?

thick kelp
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hold till 10 or just before CS ends

unreal shard
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nice okay, thanks

tacit crystal
thick kelp
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ji

hushed pine
zenith lodge
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have they buffed other racials? or why are so many bottom race simming alot higher now

quaint otter
naive breach
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buff undead

zenith lodge
tired sinew
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hi all.. is there a non jugg slayer m+ build?

teal fossil
abstract schooner
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Does anyone know what the damage increase is for 2pc and 4pc?

steep osprey
gaunt owl
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yeah buddy

void bay
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lightweight baby!

gaunt owl
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Ronnie is a beast

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he needs to be warrior dev

void bay
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hes sadly fucked now....in a wheelchair

gaunt owl
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he live like a true warrior

glossy tusk
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The squad is ready for S2

olive nest
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That doesn’t look like 4 warriors

glossy tusk
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I only have 3 max lvl warriors, so felt bad to be 1 short 😦

boreal quartz
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I had 9 last expansion

glossy tusk
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But there is 1 warrior there idk if u can tell

olive nest
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Time to level the 4th!

boreal quartz
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Need WoD remix

glossy tusk
minor gust
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Legion remix is next

boreal quartz
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Yuge

olive nest
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I wouldn’t mind them doing wod tbh

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Good mounts to collect from wod

gaunt owl
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only the ultra rare one are good from there

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but its easy to recycle them with more tint and all that jazz

boreal quartz
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Legion it's only rlly the rep cringe ones

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Paragon Moment

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WoD ion remember

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Rukmar ig

lunar remnant
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Only taking two toons into S2. Need MH wilds time

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I literally bought this on Friday so I hope it can run the game

gaunt owl
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but i wouldnt have gone for the Nvidia graphic card

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low vram for longevity

thick kelp
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i dont think he has alot of choice with pre builts chatting

lunar remnant
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Haha ye exactly was kinda only option, can always swap it out in a few years

gaunt owl
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its easy to swap it out anyway

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for sure

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you shouldnt take advice from me

thick kelp
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6k for pre built then another 1k on graphics card

gaunt owl
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i swapped graphic card for no reason and little gain

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and i bought my pc when socket AM5 was 6 month away

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instead of just waiting

lunar remnant
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Some people swap their cards with every generation upgrade I wish I had that much money

long fable
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premade pcs are a tossup

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but like, better than fiddling around yourself if you dont know what you're doin I suppose

lunar remnant
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Haha I don’t

long fable
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its alot easier than it used to be, hardly need to solder anything anymore. My first graphics card i had to replace a heatsink with a fan because i didnt trust it

dense vector
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The only GPU for a warrior clueless

minor gust
long fable
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Ive been rockin' an old overclocked 1080 Ti for a while now

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I shouldupgrade but like, for wow its fine

dense vector
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If you just play 1080p then that’s fine

quasi torrent
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well depends on what you play

long fable
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1920x1080 I use a three monitor setup because I day tradeat times

quasi torrent
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some games coming out now require raytracing

dense vector
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Yea I know it’s cringe

quasi torrent
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i just replace my 1080ti the other week (finally) and šŸ¤·ā€ā™‚ļø

long fable
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Require?

quasi torrent
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yes

dense vector
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I saw that with Indiana jones

gaunt owl
long fable
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Indiana jones doesnt require raytracing my girlfriend has it

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and her card does not support it

gaunt owl
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i had a 980GTX for a long ass time

quasi torrent
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the 3080 (12gb) was a good product for the msrp

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if u got it :)

long fable
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yeah Im scared to upgrade because I dont know hwats good anymore

quasi torrent
gaunt owl
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the 5 series is not worth

quasi torrent
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barely better than the 970 and a lot more expensive

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the 980ti was pretty okay on the other hand

gaunt owl
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it was gifted to me šŸ˜„

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so i couldnt complain

dense vector
gaunt owl
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dont wanna burn your house down

dense vector
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I got it because of fuck around and find out

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I jokingly joined the queue on release day for Best Buy

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And it added to my cart and I was like wait this wasn’t supposed to happen

gaunt owl
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at least you didnt buy it with a scalper price

long fable
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I used to camp Microcenter on releases back in the day but like eh

dense vector
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I live my the most popular Microcenter but fuck that

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The line was around the block

long fable
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no one camps at mine because its in a shitty neighborhood lol

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so technically I could grab some stuff but eh

dense vector
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No, I live by the only one in the Los Angeles area

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The one all the Youtubers go to

shadow ibex
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Computer talk makes me anxious because I know mine is getting older

gaunt owl
long fable
#

when this rig goes im gonna turn it into a mineral oil rig and overclock it to insanity

#

but my dream? A wall mount

#

a place for everything and everything in its place

gaunt owl
#

i would still shit my pants that it doesnt leak

#

its a matter of when

long fable
#

Not if you do it proper

gaunt owl
#

we never know

#

thermodynamic law

#

its bound to happen

long fable
#

just like technically your solid state drive has a maximum amount of writes before it craps out

gaunt owl
#

i'm always unlucky with hardware

#

so i wouldnt dare too

#

always on warranty but still its annoying

naive breach
#

buy 13700k in 2023, several months later the degradation intel thingy critcake i feel you uncle ppaww

ripe field
#

Arms AoE rotation is basically just hit all your big buttons and spam cleave off cooldown, yeah?

#

and ideally cleaving after Overpower, but hitting Cleave till Im blue in the face seems to be the approach

gaunt owl
ripe field
#

Is there anything else to it? Small min/max stuff?

#

Oh and I suppose hitting Demolish as soon as it hits 10 stacks is higher prio than Cleave

gaunt owl
#

yes

#

key is to know the number of target and if SS is up

#

as to what you should prio between Cleave or MS

#

Overpower will just compliment the prio

ripe field
#

The thing that gets me...and it seems minor but in practice its huge for me...is Sweeping Strikes being on the GCD. It would feel so much smoother if i could just toggle it off GCD

naive breach
ripe field
#

Yeah it seems that the rotation changes for 1, 2 and 3 target scenarios but stays basically the same for 3 and higher

heady parrot
#

do we think arms is gonna get a nerf?

ripe field
#

I sure hope not. They dont feel nerf-worthy

naive breach
#

also you might want to send demo in ss before CS runs out if even if not full stack

gaunt owl
heady parrot
#

idk, my 608 ilvl arms warrior feels like when my ele shaman was broken

ripe field
naive breach
gaunt owl
ripe field
#

but this makes sense why

#

in ST

naive breach
#

in ST you full send demo always if im not mistaken

#

on 1 target you dont get to 10 stackies before your cs runs out

ripe field
#

with 0 stack, then the following has some stacks iirc

#

ahh

naive breach
#

in opener

#

yeah

long fable
#

Single target Col feels weird

naive breach
#

on aoe its pretty easy to have your 10 stacks inside the CS window

ripe field
#

And Ret Pally just seems like an upgraded version of Warrior atm. Its hard for me to imagine a scenario where I would want a War over Ret Pal in keys

#

Dont get me wrong, I'm a War main. Don't have a pally. But goddamn their single target and 100% dmg uptime is super enviable

naive breach
#

pretty sure ret will get a little bonk

ripe field
#

I hope so :/

naive breach
#

e.g. capping the refresh on divine hammer thingy

opal folio
gaunt owl
#

we need to drill them

#

šŸ˜„

remote ledge
long fable
#

Yeah i dont like the single target col build i think ill stick to slayer for single and col for aoe/dungeons

#

still think cleave should work on 2 targets instead of 3

latent moss
#

infamous 3.5gb

mighty saddle
#

How many targets will cleave hit. I know its reduced after 5

ripe field
#

It hits as many as are in the area

latent moss
#

wdym

#

cleave hits all targets

remote ledge
#

All targets, and like every spell hardcapped damage wise at 20T

long fable
#

well all targets in that cone right

trim arrow
#

ret st is a funny meme

ripe field
#

The cleave 'working' that Sh0tz0 is referring to, I believe, is stacking the damage buff you get from hitting 3 targets or more with Cleave or single target abilities cleaving with SS

trim arrow
#

because it implies ret players dont have neuron monkey brain activation to press divine storm

mighty saddle
#

Really ok cool. It seems to be doing a ton of damage in the 5 dummies curious how its on huge pull

trim arrow
#

as soon as theres more than one red name plate

long fable
ripe field
#

all g

trim arrow
#

like i swear people who play ret are the biggest padders

#

i’ve ever met on this game

ripe field
#

and yah seeing 4 mil pop up from each target with a Cleave crit is v satisfying

long fable
#

have you tried it Mich?

#

it might as well be a friggen drug

#

you feel like the main character lol

remote ledge
#

"having to" use ms in aoe as colossus is actually great design, we keep a good damage profile esp since the ms buffs

trim arrow
#

no i fell asleep

#

its boring af

#

if you want to feel like the main character play mage

long fable
#

I prefer getting angry and punching gods in the face with a mace instead of relying on THAlight

trim arrow
#

its probably the most boring melee to me

long fable
#

I play mainly goblins and gnomes so im stuck to whatever classes they can be

trim arrow
ripe field
#

There's something I'm missing in the Arms kit. I usually hit Thunder Clap on pull to apply Rend but I notice that only sometimes MS applies Rend as well?

long fable
#

yeah if you read thet alents during execute phases it applies rend

remote ledge
#

in execute range a talent makes that ms applies rend

#

bloodl.... something

ripe field
#

ahh

long fable
#

ill be honest I get sad when i have to press slam

ripe field
#

it feels better than it did pre patch but ye still bad for sure

#

pre patch I would hit the key and be like

#

was that an auto-attack

flat willow
#

slam must feel bad for mortal strike to feel good

ripe field
#

or did I lag or what

flat willow
#

pleasure can not exist without pain

lucid gull
#

Well there's the reverse case of what's going on in PvE. Ask the PvP Channel how they feel about Slam right now.

minor gust
#

Wow pvpers aren't real

#

Their just zombies that refuse to stop playing that mini mini game

flat willow
#

you make fun of pvpers

#

but they got the best mounts in the game

#

well not this expansion

#

they fucking suck

lucid gull
#

That's literally all they have.

#

The most FOMO Cosmetics.

remote ledge
#

a mini game of the mini mini game

gaunt owl
minor gust
#

Luckily for me I don't care about mounts

flat willow
#

and the cool sets

#

sometimes

long fable
#

lucky for me undermine exists

gaunt owl
#

the tints on pvp tier set are better imo

long fable
#

goblin everything

trim arrow
#

i have to listen to green midgets

minor gust
#

I give away my mythic mount Everytime I get it

trim arrow
#

with jersey accents

gaunt owl
lucid gull
#

It's only really the mounts that matter tho, you can PvE your way to everything else now more or less. MMR seems to inflate really fucking quickly.

minor gust
trim arrow
#

meanwhile nerubar mythic mount

#

same shit as the norm/hc one

#

but slightly red instead of blue

gaunt owl
flat willow
#

I still use the anthorus pvp set to this day

#

(usually not in a full set)

gaunt owl
#

recolor on mounts are so ass

lucid gull
#

Legion Elite Sets are probably the only Warrior PvP sets I'm sad about missing out on

trim arrow
#

i use it sometimes

#

mostly t3

long fable
#

me come tomorrow when I nolife delves just to get the junkreaver set

gaunt owl
long fable
#

oh for sure

flat willow
#

pvp also has the ONE helmet in the game that doesn't look like complete shit on tauren

#

(very important if you end up playing tauren)

minor gust
#

Btw if there's any noobies in here that still need Aotc my guild is doing make a wishes for like 3 hours tonight on. NA if someone needs

sand summit
#

Thoughts on Arms vs Fury the upcoming raid tier guys?

long fable
#

Arms will probably be more desired due to the amount of execute fights

#

I also dont want to maintain two two handers lul

minor gust
#

Both will be played

gaunt owl
#

if RWF guilds run 2 Arms warrior or more

#

just for the Execute

#

you guys wont have the same fun

#

and will be kneecapped because you cant have that

#

Fury was turboblasted so much last tier

#

its highly illegal

flat willow
#

lets all hope if that happens slayer will tank the nerfs

gaunt owl
#

if the nerf are still Execute focused

#

if they grab the big knob and aura nerf its joever

latent moss
#

battlelord has our back dw

#

get ready for timing fatality with avatar

flat willow
#

stop cursing us

#

lets send letters to blizzard to nerf ret instead

latent moss
#

i cursed u with fatality optimizations back in 10.2

gaunt owl
latent moss
#

and i will do it again

long fable
#

Im still weirded out that ravager slayer is simming so high

latent moss
#

3 pis in cs

#

last week of patch i almost did it

#

didnt communicate with guild properly fatality didnt align with dmg phase

#

i was doing like

#

tank dps

#

XDDDDDDDDDDD

gaunt owl
#

you went for the highscore

#

šŸ˜„

latent moss
#

surely big tom window with phase

#

would be big damage

gaunt owl
#

if done properly maybe it was worth it

latent moss
#

in terms of tuning

#

ravager lets us press them

#

bs doesnt

minor gust
gaunt owl
craggy blade
#

not sure if place to ask but is arms the only specialization that hasn't been reworked since shadowlands?

gaunt owl
#

with cursed knowledge to get back the trophy

flat willow
#

lots of dk cry about BoS but fatality makes me wanna die way more than any breath of syndragosa ever could

latent moss
#

xddd

#

start of bfa

#

end of legion w/e

craggy blade
latent moss
#

what got reworked

#

ms op

#

and exe in exe

#

same gameplay

gaunt owl
#

BFA was all about azerite power

latent moss
#

we just had borrowed power that made us lean into one of these

flat willow
#

it's the same gameplay since BFA

gaunt owl
#

Slands is the baseline for what we run kinda

flat willow
#

with a few minor changes

gaunt owl
#

start of BFA was really different from the end

flat willow
#

if we dodged the bfa rework

#

and had the same gameplay since legion

#

THAT would be balling

bitter escarp
#

Turns out Khadgar is a legs warrior

craggy blade
#

feel like i remember bfa being mainly bleeds, no ignore pain

gaunt owl
craggy blade
#

ya thats what i just said

flat willow
#

they used the big knob in bfa to make deep wound stupid yes

gaunt owl
#

the mastery was different and its why bleeds were juicy

flat willow
#

but that doesn't really change the core of the gameplay

#

just that half your damage was from bleed

craggy blade
#

wasnt the only difference in mastery that mastery increased the bleed itself and not just the modifier or did the modifier not exist yet

#

i mean ye doesnt change core of gameplay in pve rly no but in pvp it did for sure

#

im only asking bc i genuinely think arms is the only melee spec that hasnt been reworked in the last 5yrs

flat willow
#

the modifier was on colossus smash in legion

#

the mastery was reworked in bfa to be only deep wound damage

olive nest
#

Its been this similar loop for a while now

near ice
#

do we ever wanna run fierce followthrough rather than opportunist for ST? Looks pretty solid

olive nest
#

I quite like it personally

flat willow
#

then it was modified again for deepwound to increase your damage instead

#

I do not like bfa tactician

#

but right now the gameplay is alright

#

could be better

opaque ferry
#

hi, is there a spreadsheet 11.1 for reflect

opaque ferry
#

ty^^

long fable
#

so like, do you guys ever actually use dstance?

snow flame
#

yes

magic canopy
#

free 15% dr whenever you want it

#

goated button

ripe field
#

ya its essential in high keys

long fable
#

good point I should be more on top of that during like damage phases where i cant do stuff anyway

gaunt owl
#

surviving is more dmg overall

#

it will help your healer

#

its the perfect defensive

#

no CD

olive nest
#

D stance is fantastic

#

Hope it stays permanently

#

And only gets better or atleast stays the same

gaunt owl
#

it can be the diff between 1 HP or 0

#

its criminally underused

candid pecan
#

bm hunter took a hit

long fable
#

good point

gaunt owl
#

i was the best warrior at dying because i couldnt push defensive good enough

#

Arms is all about active mitigation

#

awareness is key

olive nest
#

Being able to live anything whenever you want is so goated

placid raft
#

Hey guys, so is arms now better than fury for m+? Tier lists says so (A + for arms vs B for fury) but Im getting mixed messages somehow

flat willow
#

now we wait for the ret nerf

minor gust
#

Tier list andys

gaunt owl
#

Ret are special boys

#

they wont get nerfed

minor gust
#

Rets been blizzards babys since the rework

young pewter
#

Uhh so Maxroll has our bis trinket coming from delve maps that sounds brutal rng

minor gust
#

Not any more worse than an M+ trinket bis

young pewter
#

Also very very true

weak rain
#

w8 what? arms has to farm this delve trink too?

#

pls no

young pewter
#

At least we were able to farm the hero versions tho

placid raft
# minor gust Tier list andys

Well I generally dont like tier lists but I have very limited time to play and also to test things out thats why I am somehow relying on them at for picking a certain spec, I just know I want to play warrior hehe
Playstyle wise I like both fury and arms

long fable
#

I adore that the best in slots is actually just best in slots

minor gust
long fable
#

also following a tier list doesnt mean you'll be good at the class

young pewter
placid raft
young pewter
#

Or whatever the slot machine boss is

split cairn
true ridge
gaunt owl
placid raft
young pewter
#

A good player gonna blast regardless

minor gust
#

Tier lists don't pay your sub play what's fun to you

young pewter
#

Unless you’re an Aug

#

Rip

gaunt owl
#

we dont care about Aug

flat willow
#

rest in piss aug

#

you won't be missed

long fable
#

Fury feels easier to play Arms is more fun

gaunt owl
#

Aug was the biggest mistake in tuning history

rocky storm
#

s2 tier list:
S arms
A+ fury
A+ prot

done. why play many class when one class do job?

long fable
#

because tier lists are a meme and play what you want

rocky storm
#

That's what I'm saying

#

Warrior is always s, because bonk

split cairn
#

Because duel armaggeddon mog

gaunt owl
quaint otter
#

Arms is ownS tier

lethal briar
#

Arms coppin a 15% execute nerf

#

how we feelin

serene hollow
#

fair nerf, still very strong

nimble basin
#

Where's the fair nerf for ret? 🫔

gaunt owl
#

we cant be blizzard favorite boy

#

we are the middle child

#

the unexpected pregnancy

olive nest
#

Mages bro 4 million of em and can never recruit a decent one keks

lethal briar
#

it's okay im just waiting for the 50% nerf for warrior before raid tomorrow

#

as blizz always does before a patch

olive nest
#

If there’s more than one dps war in the race they nerf us again surely

#

Need to make room for the wizards

minor gust
#

yeah your only allowed to habe double mages and warlocks in raid

lethal briar
#

triple hunters when BM is good*

#

afk with 3 mil dps

gaunt owl
#

BM is illegal

serene hollow
#

I don't think arms is going to look particularly strong on the early bosses, so if they reaction nerf based on performance it wouldn't be until later in the week. That's my take

lethal briar
#

Idk, warrior will have a really niche spot on the 5th or 6th boss again with their CD line up

#

and then will be nerfed the entire season

naive sage
#

If I had a genie with 3 wishes for wow I would just delete mage retri and bm

lethal briar
#

just like on broodtwister keks

gaunt owl
#

and last tier ended with them being the last spec on everything sadly

flat willow
#

yes they are dead right now

#

but they'll come back

lethal briar
#

but top damage on warcraft logs! because 80% of their damage was pad - we had to beg for other dps to not hit adds

serene hollow
#

indeed, and I would even say fury looks better on most of the add fights this season too

flat willow
#

I'd delete mage evoker and paladin

void bay
olive nest
#

I don’t mind dev and pres, just Aug needs the hammer

olive nest
#

Just play ST arms and go for boss damage

#

Helps you stay undetected on the overall statistics

gaunt owl
#

you should run for election

naive sage
gaunt owl
#

we need evoker

#

just to spit on them

naive sage
olive nest
#

Give back /spit already

quaint otter
#

Hey guys i made tier list for s2 check it out

flat willow
#

how do you put kiwi in F

rocky storm
#

How is kiwi f

flat willow
#

are you crazy

rocky storm
#

Wtf

quaint otter
#

Low dps no utility

heavy wren
#

We’re so back

naive sage
minor gust
#

Mango C tier thats fucked up

naive sage
#

Pineapple is peak

gaunt owl
#

Kiwi can be rough

quaint otter
gaunt owl
#

Mango is S tier

quaint otter
#

If its good

#

Most of it isnt

void bay
naive sage
#

Also oranges should be higher but my opinion may be influenced by the fact that I have a small terrain on the hillside where they grow without any chemicals and they’re a gift from god

rocky storm
#

Bananas are pretty good tho ngl

void bay
#

i dont like them, but i love banana milkshake....go figure

quaint otter
#

I eat bananas 24/7

#

Monki brain

naive sage
#

Bananas are nice tbh

rocky storm
#

I just enjoy the banana shape

void bay
#

bananas are peak though that they literally come with their own wrapper that is biodegradable

quaint otter
#

Real

olive nest
#

Bananas are S tier for the shape obviously

void bay
#

but the flower on the banana plant is some alien shit....its like a mouth at the end of the tentacle

misty sandal
quaint otter
void bay
#

why only those 2?

placid raft
#

why does the arms m+ build in the faq not have "sudden death" talented?

void bay
#

thats like having a nut allergy but only for peanuts

misty sandal
placid raft
#

slayer...

void bay
olive nest
#

Interesting

placid raft
minor gust
#

I dont think the FAQ builds are updated

#

just take them from the guides

lethal briar
#

Pretty sure you just dont run skullsplitter

#

but I could be wrong

olive nest
#

Oh drop sks and put it in sd

#

Sks is ass

placid raft
#

haha

#

ok

lethal briar
#

idk why blizz trys to force arms into skullsplitter

weak rain
#

No, you run ravager

lethal briar
#

feels terrible to hit

olive nest
rocky storm
#

do you peel kiwis or eat the whole thing

daring heron
#

eat whole thing

weak rain
olive nest
#

I don’t eat the skin on kiwi but I know it’s good for you

minor gust
daring heron
#

it aint as bad as it sounds

rocky storm
#

It's pretty good

lethal briar
minor gust
#

ive never eaten Kiwi skin

true ridge
#

I feel like kiwi skin would feel like eating spiders

olive nest
#

I’ve actually never even tried the kiwi skin either

lethal briar
#

Kiwi skin goated

olive nest
#

I should who knows might like it

daring heron
#

it's not exactly tasty, doesn't really taste of anything imo

#

but it's got good stuff in it so may as well

lethal briar
#

I like the extra texture

#

but agree

true ridge
#

Texture surely is F tier though

gaunt owl
minor gust
#

We hate texture here tho

daring heron
#

nah banana peel is basically inedible

#

lmao

minor gust
#

texture is for parry enjoyers

blissful bane
#

I'm allergic to fruit

lethal briar
#

us disliking texture is why we get nerfed and mages are always untouched

minor gust
#

Texture is why parry still exists

true ridge
#

I heard them all talking up texture of kiwis in the mage discord maybe you should hang out there

void bay
lethal briar
#

Who doesn't like a bit of hair

#

ĀÆ_(惄)_/ĀÆ

gaunt owl
#

its irritating

#

i cant even englando

placid raft
#

CcEAO9DBjZzKcjSu6RJDto0RCCGmZmZGzYmZxyyyYGAAAAGMNMzsMmhxywMPgFz8AjZGmhBAAAAAAgZMLjxAsFGLbDsAGwMMhMwG

so this is fine for a pure m+ build? or is juggernaut a must-have after 11.1?

olive nest
#

I personally would suggest learning colossus M+

#

You will do more overall

lethal briar
#

you want jugg for pretty much anything 10+ when fort+tyran are together

halcyon valve
#

Why the fuck is arms chat talking about eating kiwi skins

lethal briar
#

its just too value

visual fern
#

@daring heron you gotta work on your YT algo

rocky storm
visual fern
#

Critcrab overtaking

flat willow
minor gust
#

Critcrab!

olive nest
#

critical drinker

void bay
halcyon valve
placid raft
true ridge
#

Fury chat was talking about eating corn the long way

olive nest
lethal briar
#

demolish feels good to hit

#

passive random procs arent as fun

rancid solstice
#

Just cleave and clap. All u gotta do

halcyon valve
olive nest
magic canopy
#

Crit crab

rocky storm
lethal briar
#

up and down the shaft

#

instead of across

ripe field
#

eat it like a popsicle

rancid solstice
rocky storm
long fable
#

dear whoever told me to stick it out and try Col for Aoe? Thanks its grown on me. Somethin clicked and it just feels awesome

rancid solstice
#

Yw

true ridge
rocky storm
#

god damnit they can't do that. It's not possible? How you get the teeth to pull corn out

rocky storm
#

Do they like go down on it with teeth?