#arms

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steep osprey
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I agree with Archi with removing the other talent and keeping culling there

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But I don't see the point of 2 talents enhancing BS for ST

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Culling and Unhinged

thick kelp
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imagine if culling cyclone was on the spec tree and it buffed bs in aoe

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over likee uhhh

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dod

shadow ibex
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dance of death must be in the talent tree

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or galactus arrives

visual fern
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Or overwhelm....

steep osprey
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frappe mortalle

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my favorite coffee

nimble badger
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same issue in a delve

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just noticed and was curious if i was just crazy

thick hamlet
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with the current numbers, at how many stacks of collateral do i go for cleave over mortal strike on pure ST now

dusty sorrel
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am I reading this right that we can use the crit thread instead of ascension for raid

thick kelp
vagrant nymph
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which race is best for arms? or is the benefit negligible?

thick kelp
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negligible

dusty sorrel
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I think Nelf still takes it because of the crit/haste passive but don't quote me

thick kelp
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Nelf?

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lol

dusty sorrel
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night elf

vagrant nymph
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wasnt sure if maghar was bis

dim basalt
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velf is bis

rare kite
dim basalt
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But doesnt matter much

thick kelp
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if you care about numbers Velf is best numbers wise

dusty sorrel
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really?

vagrant nymph
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im already a nelf so imma stick with it

teal fossil
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Nelf is basically belf I think

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I know time of day is set in instanced content

thick kelp
naive breach
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dorf very good reshel s2

teal fossil
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Just not sure if it’s day or night

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Oh it’s night

visual fern
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Walhes sims are fake

nimble badger
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ztroll

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😏

smoky kayak
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human master race

thick kelp
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ztroll if you want negative mog and dps

naive breach
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just wanted to say if youre not playing human archim might ban you from discord

visual fern
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Best mog best voice best clout best racial best animations best hunch and most importantly pocket PI aka berserking

naive breach
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monkaS

visual fern
nimble badger
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hunch 🤮

teal fossil
dim basalt
visual fern
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Natty troll goat , ztroll = zRizz and zDps

dim basalt
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But only if female

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male humans look worse than female dwarfs

naive breach
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buy your race changes right MEOW

thick kelp
visual fern
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Brozo

thick kelp
thick hamlet
thick kelp
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ZTROLL ZDPS

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visual fern
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Ztroll = no race

nimble badger
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nobody runs akunda

visual fern
naive breach
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ztroll

vagrant nymph
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why is velf so high lmao

thick kelp
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Maybe cuz of the insane racial ??

visual fern
visual fern
naive breach
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i hate nightelf

visual fern
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SHOW EM

naive breach
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do i change to dorf

thick kelp
rare kite
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so many bleeds

naive breach
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ye i know

thick kelp
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also cuz of this

visual fern
thick kelp
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ONLY DOABLE AS VELF

visual fern
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Insane uptime hackerman

thick kelp
naive breach
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lil bro is ZOOMING

visual fern
teal fossil
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That’s kinda insane

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I remember it used to be not hasted

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So it was just 1% dps on average

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Now it’s a bit more

thick kelp
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Imagine

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you pull up to a pack

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as colossus arms

visual fern
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Sounds like a case for PI....

naive breach
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imagining

thick kelp
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Collat pre stacked

visual fern
naive breach
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PI PRIO

thick kelp
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and your velf racial pops

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hoooly

sage badge
smoky kayak
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if whale said it, it's prob right

spring rune
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are those sims more accurate than the bloodmallet race charts? I dont see Velf that high on those

naive breach
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sadga when undead race rework

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my beloved skeleton man

smoky kayak
thick kelp
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guess twice if bloodmallet is up to date

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xdd

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@visual fern roster check

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visual fern
dim basalt
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bloodmallet sucks ass

smoky kayak
visual fern
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2 trolls

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Acceptable

smoky kayak
visual fern
thick kelp
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Wallife from wish woulda been better even

naive breach
thick kelp
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m*ge

visual fern
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Yo how do I ban someone again

naive breach
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monka

visual fern
naive breach
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after the next 5 nerf incidient you might need a way out

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PLAN B

thick kelp
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its right there buddy

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visual fern
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Plan B aka Breakdownmentallyandstillplaywarrior

smoky kayak
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you know there's actually a thing where people who read fast tend not to actually parse every letter, even when they're mispelled

visual fern
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Yah

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First and last register and brains fills in the rest

thick kelp
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As

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Gs

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weeee

smoky kayak
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Aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it deosn’t mttaer in waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the olny iprmoetnt tihng is taht the frist and lsat ltteer be at the rghit pclae. The rset can be a toatl mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit porbelm. Tihs is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe.

steep osprey
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what the fuck

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i actually read that correctly

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lmfao

naive breach
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my man not living in the internet long enough

warped ether
naive breach
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i need information

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is there any reason to do vault this week

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do you get s2 gear

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next week

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ney

eager sigil
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No

teal fossil
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Only if you have passion for the game

naive breach
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does anyone still play this for passion

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i thought this is purgatory

fresh spire
smoky kayak
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I bought MH:W four days ago and still haven't even launched it yet sadgers

thick kelp
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you will have time after prog

naive sage
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There’s too much uncertainty ffs
I always played 2 specs, arms warrior as main and enha as alt but mained enha this season
Now I’m conflicted about raiding. I can’t choose between keeping with enha or going back to warrior.
The fact is it seems that arms will perform better in raid but enha will have more chances to get invited for pug keys

Can you give me your opinion?

smoky kayak
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it's a video game, play what you enjoy

naive sage
smoky kayak
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then play them both

naive sage
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My guild is planning the prog roster and I must give them an answer

smoky kayak
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then tell them you'll play whichever they need more

naive sage
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Not rwf guild of course

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But we want to do things the good way

thick kelp
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Do you prog to do high keys

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for prog for enjoyment of progging

naive sage
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I am mostly a m+ player but my guild is cool and I have fun with them

void bay
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then play what you find most fun in the guild

visual fern
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I am mostly a m+ player

rare kite
# naive sage I love them both

flip a coin. if satisfied with what it landed on then choose that. if you're not satisfied then you know what you want(this doesnt always work but does alot of the time)

visual fern
empty bough
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Is there any website that has the proper spec for each fight of raid yet?

warped ether
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Just play another game for a while

steep osprey
warped ether
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Then when you go back the passion will be in full swing

naive sage
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I am not comfortable with colossus and warrior has bad reputation with m+
But boy does it feel bad to leave my warrior behind sadge

thick kelp
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blue man is safe pick, ele is doing fantastic too now in keys

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some consider it closer to meta than enha even

lean geode
thick kelp
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due to the meta going to be "make your comp around mage"

naive sage
visual fern
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Mage comp again, wow I'm shocked

thick kelp
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Veng, disc, mage/x/x

neon jackal
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Hey dude slayer will not be the best for m+ ? im wrong ?

thick kelp
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those two X's most likely casters so they benefit from chaos brand and int buff too

thick kelp
naive sage
visual fern
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Brand

naive sage
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Personally I like slayer a lot

visual fern
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Or dk (also brand)

shadow ibex
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new best item

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thick kelp
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sorry

visual fern
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Not surprised

thick kelp
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most likely ele tho

visual fern
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If that ends up being the case

thick kelp
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cuz int buff

visual fern
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Yah

teal fossil
naive sage
visual fern
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.5 patch will shake up the meta! Phys comp will reign supreme!

thick kelp
naive breach
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play mage

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get banned by garms

thick kelp
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ok but phys comp like ppall/mw/warrior/enha/bm will be a good comp tho

lean geode
thick kelp
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release more range physicals pls

marble steppe
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berserker axe throwing warrior

steep osprey
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^

naive breach
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^^

flat willow
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does Garms ban all mage players?

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Respect

visual fern
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What is this bit....

flat willow
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how wonderful a world without mages could be

marble steppe
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its pi imo, make pi just a personal cd and you start fixxing the problem

thick kelp
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what if i told u that mage isnt even the one getting pi in that comp

shadow ibex
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let us attack evokers in capital cities

naive breach
flat willow
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Do I hate evokers more than I hate mages?

naive breach
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yes

flat willow
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🤔

naive breach
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yes

flat willow
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yeah, you're right

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delete evokers

marble steppe
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what about shamans

naive breach
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LITERALLY

flat willow
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shamans give me windfury

marble steppe
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im starting to hate enh

flat willow
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shamans are frens

gaunt owl
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augvokers was a mistake

naive breach
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2 friends quit the game cuz of AUG bullshittery

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in dargenflight

flat willow
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as long as shamans keep giving me windfury they'll be friends of mine

naive breach
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mandatory give warrior bloodlust chatting

gaunt owl
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no

gaunt owl
thick kelp
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mandatory Ppaww unc come back

flat willow
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The day I call windfury skyfury is the day I die

astral talon
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skyfury is wack

ionic latch
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How does Colossus feel after the buffs?

void bay
gaunt owl
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Time Warp

void bay
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No

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Lust

naive breach
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Ancient Hysteria

teal fossil
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Drums

flat willow
gaunt owl
naive breach
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log the fuck in UNC

sage badge
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I'm back

gaunt owl
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Deswind will carry you

fresh spire
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Deswind owns

gaunt owl
thick kelp
void bay
sacred zodiac
gaunt owl
flat willow
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talking about battle shout

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it should give windfury

dim basalt
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agree

thick hamlet
nimble basin
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Bit random but can we spell reflect the spark on the final boss floodgate?

thick hamlet
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fellas how do i get my hands on the legendary skipper's citrine

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i've read that it's tied to a random world quest

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does that mean if it's not up = rip?

candid pecan
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I believe you just buy it from turtle

flat willow
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the turtle should sell it

thick hamlet
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that's if you had already unlocked it on ur main

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at least according to wowhead

eager sigil
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he always sells it

lean geode
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You want windsinger after the nerf

thick hamlet
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ah i see

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so

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stormbringer+fathomdweller+windsinger

eager sigil
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yes

thick hamlet
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gg

eager sigil
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sry caps

thick hamlet
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i can never forgive you

eager sigil
minor gust
magic canopy
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There's 0 change ravager Slayer goes live

minor gust
weak rain
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this is so cringe ngl that bladestorm is so bad

minor gust
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It's happening

magic canopy
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Imagine if instead of buffing Slayer or giving execute damage back they just nerf ravager instead

weak rain
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anyone tried simming slayer with bladestorm but using BS as filler with low prio? or maybe caneling BS after first MS launches

rancid solstice
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Just make slayer work with ravager what’s the prob

thick kelp
magic canopy
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Then Slayer would never play bladestorm

rancid solstice
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Yeah what’s the prob

magic canopy
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Not a us problem but a blizzard thematic problem

weak rain
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they could leave damage the same, but speed the fuck up it

magic canopy
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They don't want it like that

weak rain
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4 sec baseline duration, like furry

rancid solstice
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Only reason to press BS or RAV is unhinged they def need looked at

weak rain
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if they nerf unhinged instead, it would be so fucking funny

shadow ibex
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nothing else they can do

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unless they rework the whole talent tree

magic canopy
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Should have just nerfed execute 5% and then nerf ashen .5% per stack

shadow ibex
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nerf slam a billion % until our ST drops

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they will probably just make ravager cast less MS tho

hollow plover
weak rain
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yes

hollow plover
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wait really?

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no fuckin shot

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I was dreading this day

shadow ibex
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i mean unless they make some changes soon

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its goin live

magic canopy
minor gust
shadow ibex
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you lose nothing from losing BS is a bigggg problem

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oh no a few +50% boosted MS casts

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vs the MS casts you get to cast cuz ur not spinning

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or the opportunist OPs

rancid solstice
shadow ibex
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i dont think exe nerfs are live yet

rancid solstice
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Oh yeah that’s on reset

split flax
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Sup guys! Is Dungeonslice a reliable sim or are there better options to pick?

tacit crystal
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just sim st

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aoe sims are worthless

candid pecan
shadow ibex
candid pecan
minor gust
shadow ibex
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its so dumb lol

fresh spire
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funny enough

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i messaged walhe about trying some canceling bs

minor gust
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wont be addressed till after rwf either

weak rain
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its much harder to maintain 10% amp stacks without BS too and it's stil lbehind

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crazy

fresh spire
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cancel after 3rd/5th tick when ms off cd

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:kekw

candid pecan
fresh spire
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havent had time to go mess with it yet

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surely blizzard just buffs it like 50%

minor gust
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cant wait for blizz to be watching RWF and be like wait why is that slayer warrior playing ravager

fresh spire
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Revvez playing raveger

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GG

minor gust
weak rain
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arms is dead, noone will play arms

shadow ibex
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true

fresh spire
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all we need is the goats playing rav

weak rain
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so they won't know Kappa

candid pecan
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problem?

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I dont see no problem

fresh spire
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nah my colossus has one red one as no shockwave :o7

shadow ibex
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those nodes do nothing

minor gust
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Arms so giga we dont need 2 hero talents

shadow ibex
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50% MS cast but you just lost 4/5 globals

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not a good trade

weak rain
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overwhelmed talent glowing red is bait

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it works on executes/reaps anyway, no ?

candid pecan
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it does

shadow ibex
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yes

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you wont cap out as fast but at 1% per stack at 10 stacks

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we're talking very small number

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BS might have 8 shortly after pull while u have 3/4

rancid solstice
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Ravager gets no cdr either and it still doesn’t matter

minor gust
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you get it from AM and thats allllll you need

shadow ibex
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youre also spending rage during rav to get bonus CDR yea

candid pecan
rancid solstice
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Yikes

shadow ibex
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probably for sure more BS casts than rav casts from MFE but probably not a huge diff

devout mantle
eager sigil
shadow ibex
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dark times

rancid solstice
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Slayvager

weak rain
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dw guys, warrior is in a good spot, warrior doesn't need any reworks whatsoever

shadow ibex
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i was gonna say

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happy with warrior btw

minor gust
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We are happy with warrior design warrior is in a good spot!

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Meanwhile Slayer running ravager

shadow ibex
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warrior in the corner: how can i avoid pressing this FUCKING BUTTON

rancid solstice
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No denying ravager feels better than bladestorm on arms anyway

eager sigil
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thats a tuning thing not design tbh

minor gust
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its both

candid pecan
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ez fix, buff bladestorm dmg, even easier fix, make it so that you cant get overwhelmed stacks if not specced into BS ratge

shadow ibex
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ehhh

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design of BS

weak rain
shadow ibex
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look at talent like brutal finish and its honestly kinda funny we didnt notice before

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that globals + ravager > a boosted bladestorm or MS

minor gust
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when they eventually fix this they really need to also just give us fury bladestorm

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arms bladestorm lasts fucking forever

rancid solstice
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Slayer Ravager (lol) sims better with spear or roar

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I would think spear gets some value there

candid pecan
minor gust
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no spear and roar are dead

eager sigil
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they are both bad

minor gust
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you take stat nodes

rancid solstice
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Sick

minor gust
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you only take naked roar because 1 point roar better than 1 point into spear

shadow ibex
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pick the one that has a bigger tooltiip

candid pecan
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wicked fuck that made me laugh

shadow ibex
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i wouldnt trust any of their fixes for rav slayer to be more than a bandaid

minor gust
shadow ibex
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they would just kill the tech by making slayer talents req BS

minor gust
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2 talents are already dead

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💀

shadow ibex
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i mean like the capstone

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or the extra exe dmg from marks

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so no source of overwhelmed or w/e

minor gust
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yeah capstone and imminent demise half work right now

shadow ibex
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thats all they can do that wouldnt touch colossus

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i dont see them trying to buff bs/nerf X to keep our dmg the same

minor gust
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I can see them giga buffing BS wouldnt result in that much of a ST increase

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but just enough to make it better than ravager

hollow plover
candid pecan
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yes its great, especially during execute wicked

dull siren
honest zenith
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my rav slayer is about 100k behind BS i must be doin something wrong 😛

dull siren
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Well, Cause you don't have custom APL

minor gust
# dull siren 3*

whats the third theres 4 talents for BS in the tree only 2 are red out

dull siren
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xdd

candid pecan
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does not accelerate Ravager ratge

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minor gust
dull siren
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You sim 1.9+

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you should add

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override.spell_data=effect.486196.ap_coefficient=2.143819

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and lose some DPS

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Chatting

minor gust
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oh nvm its 3

thick kelp
dull siren
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@thick kelp

minor gust
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wait no capstone works you would still get the overwhelmed stacks from execute

thick kelp
thick kelp
minor gust
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yeah theres only 2 talents that are completely dead and the others have some aspect that still works atleast

shadow ibex
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yea they all half work at least

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all you lose is a 50% MS boost but u cant cast during BS

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so unless that +50% is more than the globals lost while spinning who cares

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wicked design

minor gust
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gotta buff Brutal finish to affect every unhinged MS

honest zenith
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is there anywhere i can see how much 2 set and 4 set will boost dmg in s2?

dull siren
honest zenith
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tyy

tacit crystal
minor gust
tacit crystal
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just do regular opener with rav

shadow ibex
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let your ravager pop ur EP

tacit crystal
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lol

shadow ibex
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while u exe and op

latent moss
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geeked vs locked in

tacit crystal
latent moss
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hi 75oig

dull siren
tacit crystal
latent moss
thick kelp
dull siren
magic canopy
tacit crystal
latent moss
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J.Hotnezz (pls inv for keys)

magic canopy
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Whenever fishy sees Battlelord

tacit crystal
magic canopy
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I'm excited to make a YouTube video about it just in time for them to change it

minor gust
shadow ibex
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well do it fast

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so it changes fast

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⏰

minor gust
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Blizz confirmed Madox watchers?

quasi torrent
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maybe madussy

slow saddle
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Blizzard just let us rav as slayers

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Bladestorm is such a wet noodle

hardy cliff
minor gust
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Hi guys today were playing Slayer with [Redacted] it does big damage

weak rain
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slayer plays with ravager

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next is gonna be colo gaining dps from never using demolish because 50% op buff

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warrior is fine, good design

heavy wren
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In the grand scheme of things, how much does race matter for arms?

thick kelp
pearl jasper
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I actually like the way colosus smash looks right now

thick kelp
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what race do you want to be

weak rain
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vulpera gaming

heavy wren
thick kelp
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.5% ballpark

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u can find from this doc

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More accurate

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race sims

heavy wren
grand idol
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This ravager build is just spec ravager and don't change how you play?

weak rain
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need to add ravager sims there hehe

hard rock
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slayer or colossus for m+ on opening week

lusty arrow
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been on sin rogue last couple tiers, guild finally has another rogue, thinking of going arms based on the little ive seen. should be a fun tier, right?

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dont really care about M+ this season, burned out, figured id zugzug in raid

magic canopy
sharp rivet
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can someone point me to a list of all the buff and stuff i should be tracking as an arms warrior? The stuff that impacts my roation / how i play?

naive sage
sharp rivet
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hmm ok - i thought people might track stuff like merciless bonegrinder, executioners precision and collateral damage. I don't know why - i just thought they might.

tacit crystal
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why dont you get a warrior wa pack then hot the dummy and see what you dont like

naive sage
tacit crystal
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the work has already been done for you

native summit
tacit crystal
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like what

naive sage
# native summit Would you share that exec WA ? how does it work

!WA:2!LvvqVTrru4K4wvvdOMAvQkbqnkQyAdfNe7Kqdqf1BIttQsQD31qBvtu8S7oE3Pz9mBNz2eNwHeKd0cibs(a34IVWfehmcbhRY5EyKf)cYH(dih5aI3m2jTa(GN59M3779M389E7GlMPrg)m(pjxBIhJ6Ws4E4bD3gfWwEHwZrN76paFRzFFBpweJFJuWVoi)7NiKy)vrnh6fce6q8DkxVUalx6AV9y)AHcfgSdI6fY4vyeQ0D(s3SAj7UEmwKpBBQZ2KyCT8j8O43mukJfF4etOJAocBIJc7e5T0zvTDLCsqaMl(JJNklVVWZTK7eJTrjCu(wjcSJe5TPiSLwbf1algXEM8tx4d62aj9cXcNq22LP7jmlf9KKTW24TWqQTegfjd3xK4AKRWX1jnTDQuALvANqjYsnjcP4fg4KuhmOZgZx0P6govlAxDxrmokAzFrAlTdUXrODWCBtAKMdx3Y0ODQXHS8MGQAT9XUagvH8NVuPvQS4NUsReA)7v6SQt9dQHvNEp9nXamXxmI6mQXQPoVAu1fuVthoUrzWzKKXh7JV6baWLAI8Ko9sJA5HZZuWfuBJButL9imvV7iUfUsH8Zn5lHM6IagQlvtnEMcQ3RV5FL6c8LkAVkKBAh3xykVhf0RACitnnGtp9mZCLPD7zbaX5DLiEawEeqqi0Xo3l7fCFMmtEtkKnDhFI4(juZJIRhWOynIZ0BTAVQYkSaIx8Nu3yeJEr5LsZXYeoDu59MA9rru)rVO8E5xFugh0uO)609xNz9l9rPXu)4tJmXOpORY8X)8aha0tmNII(mGHby)thSjghxeQ8EsBeeTWwcCuDdnwDs4TtGGaJK4q(w9844TbQHnoa2kg)SQH7cIUqXiGZsO(pVBqeB7f54hKGPE7u5ytMl)mwADH7P)FbnyGRP2vlPjfDDtKsgTmapqKmUxnK4TjfleP6OfVBVwTbBPfM)OMt1WCi0ADMdC8qr4u7b0GRFOzHg3VtF3BRfwbtdKHVUXJviqmoTrTfJ7J5HUHysqi0uF9V7YFXadmGved5xFFViKqSbu23qxNY6ki0Gi83B3ijsssdeGiOr5SQBD2Zn4V931SnMdIPT0MR3eNbsRn(3WuZsqEi2C6WWPf7pCXmRj0vygo5sAeZGzaidpqmRnq74Y0weOVlTBDyre()CNqdBZnVp6YR6129WXq10mpD36YWCMZn0X(R9o8Ks(bWdCZ(J0EAYVp7R(SN9mxWS6KG02Bt8LHlDTBq(XNcffBuuCikv8zo07Q4MYficKBe2hYCCd4P0EQCtMBQ2sMxFAZ5g8xoZye)43WXmUy0snXEjs8OZZO(eZTZ6HmwJbnLQ57JmWzbsjU2b9gUUihgOOVuUoZBxQ0n7uxRWbQpsuQ8je)otwLE3gLjElS8T5eQo04W9J5SaoWM6nWF83AGH6IsKaELJnboDBVJsIrYAdZp92Cw1PU8a7UfIt0xRXkB7AulUbCWXvnT0twT3cfLGtbAoHQP6HQhP3EYxS9v6VL7fIObyX4zvpQ2Uq2aZvK7OBJYLpNM9b6NTTq3(SHEmVvfOezBKJV6Y6(16ip8Af99HeCTBJrBwupSCTkSTXCZ2vX(e0AoApeRTjYleiO5ybbD7bQo(uCK7QiGIWvFU6l7qO1z8gMwX0TqusVTZQU3IQHTOmkEpms)zgUPF5eD9733AsqOQQRyID12yizp2QbIqbFvpw9KtO(A13O(wy76)xnzeUZKBQ5YnDMT(Z78pp

sharp rivet
tacit crystal
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or read a guide

sharp rivet
tacit crystal
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and see what you might need

native summit
sharp rivet
# tacit crystal and see what you might need

i know you are trying to be helpful but i did read wowhead and then i watched some videos where the guy is tracking stuff that is not mentioned as something to be tracked in wowhead so i thought i would ask here

naive sage
shadow ibex
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The worst part is ravager just feels better

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Cursed class

tacit crystal
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Remember 3 things and you win

digital thunder
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thats alot

shadow ibex
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Opportunist eating neurons

tacit crystal
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omg i pressed op and got another op

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press it again smh

shadow ibex
minor gust
last inlet
minor gust
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Bladestorm dead and beaten like a dog

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All hail

tacit crystal
severe haven
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i liked bladestorm...

minor gust
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well now you can play BS at a loss

last inlet
minor gust
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thats the only way you can

last inlet
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yee

shadow ibex
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play bs for when you need burst aoe

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oh wait oh no

last inlet
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i play ravager tho for thane as fury tho xD

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but as arms i can see it working.

minor gust
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it already works

last inlet
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good.

vivid void
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we still the highest ST sim in the game? havent looked at others since nerfs/buffs

swift crown
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No

vivid void
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did fury overtake?

last inlet
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idk

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did it?

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asking for myself now xD

vivid void
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I saw some spreadshit earlier with fury over 2.8 and we under it xD thats pretty high ngl

minor gust
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Fury Sims with AM

last inlet
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probably should read the rest of the number not just the 2,8

minor gust
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naturally its gonna be higher because of how reliant AM fury is on uptime

last inlet
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yeah i noticed i do more (before new tier atleast) as fury than as arms, idk how thats going to play out later tho.

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just got more CDR

junior quail
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has anyone simmed if heroic Best in Slots will sim higher than a crafted gilded 2 hander?

swift crown
minor gust
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Arms AM fury AM not equal

silk spade
long fable
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i have no idea what im doing but Arms is really fun:O

minor gust
muted fractal
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arms slayer is ravager now? not bs?

long fable
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Im seeing bladestorm where'd you see ravager?

fresh spire
minor gust
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Tell them Fishy

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Dont hide

remote ledge
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if i play fury for next tier, but i wanna do some keys next tier, is arms in full fury gear still better damage wise ?

fresh spire
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We have a reason for the bladestorm buff

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Or a buff I should say

minor gust
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A very big one

fresh spire
minor gust
fresh spire
minor gust
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Chadstorm 🤮

muted fractal
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oh lol the above ppl were messing around then lol

fresh spire
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It's within margin of error.

minor gust
fresh spire
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Considering ravager doesn't get additional hits/additional unhinged/cdr from marked. It's stupid

minor gust
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its crazy that it is indeed that close

swift crown
fresh spire
long fable
brittle fiber
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tldr please

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is ravager nearly the same damage as bladestorm

long fable
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..how can they make that any shorter lol

idle heart
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you dont bother lining collateral dmg with mbg and demolish right?

serene hollow
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my single target 5 minute loses 150k dps switching only bladestorm with ravager, so... (visible confusion)

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unless this is a custom apl

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oh I just noticed it's not actually casting ravager in the sim...?

tacit crystal
long fable
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Which would mean ravager is only doing 150k dps? that sounds weird

tacit crystal
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ctrl f tmy and scroll

icy mulch
tacit crystal
icy mulch
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Look at that smile!

lunar remnant
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In undermine do we go colossus or slayer for aoe?

tacit crystal
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on raid fights or m+

lunar remnant
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Bosses

icy mulch
tacit crystal
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we dont know

lunar remnant
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That’s what I’m trying to figure out, there’s a lot of fights labeled “ST with adds” haha

minor gust
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wait till the raid releases and ask again most likely you are gonna be slayer for every boss

sharp rivet
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do you guys use a swing timer? If so what/why/how do you use it?

fresh spire
quasi torrent
minor gust
icy mulch
vivid void
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wait its gonna be slayer ravager?

long fable
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Nothing im reading is saying slayer ravager anywhere

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so like

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shrug

remote ledge
light island
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Anyone have a good WA to alert you when opportunist procs?

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I have a small brain

rancid solstice
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Close as in, a dps gain

long fable
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Close is nice means its an option. I prefer bladestorm because it gives you a few seconds break of pressing buttons lol

rancid solstice
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That’s true

long fable
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My old ass cant keep up with fury APM so arms feels juuuust right

rancid solstice
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It’s so close to rwf I don’t know if they’ll even address it if people are playing ravager with slayer . Maybe a simple damage buff to bladestorm itself would be the thing they can do that wouldn’t break something else. I’ll guess we’ll see how it plays out

long fable
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Ravager to tryhard a few % higher bs to unga bunga flies

fallen fjord
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Do we know which of the upcoming raid fights will favour arms over fury?

tacit crystal
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2 execute fights and rest are who knows

long fable
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anyone else notice a weird delay on Executes damage numbers being displayed?

brittle fiber
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@magic canopy Who was the guy that made the arms execute wa

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In your video^

magic canopy
brittle fiber
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ive been trying to put ashen juggernaut into the same wa because i use it for fury but i cant seem to get it working

tacit crystal
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@latent moss turbogeekedstone

lean geode
void bay
brittle fiber
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I got the marks and 2 stacks of sudden death working fine on fury it’s just ashen juggernaut doesnt get tracked for some reason. Tried all the spell ids of it too

lean geode
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I have separate wa for arms and fury tho

lean geode
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The original big bowl is a bowl of oatmeal I was eating while creating my character

void bay
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That is fair. One of my chars is called Table as I was using a table

lunar remnant
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What bosses are the “execute” bosses in Undermine?

devout mantle
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Bandit has a p2 with an enrage starting at 30%, and Mug'zee has the same but at 40%

long fable
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oh thats gonna be a fun fight then

lunar remnant
lean geode
long fable
devout mantle
lean geode
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Are they damage amp or just "boss needs to die fast"?

brittle fiber
lean geode
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It shouldn't be too hard

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Might have to fuck with the triggers a bit

brittle fiber
lean geode
devout mantle
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I don't think there's a damage amp on sprocketmonger or mugzee

minor gust
brittle fiber
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If former yea they dont have one

devout mantle
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like last 40% seemed like a tight burn from what I saw, idk about sprocketmonger. think he enrages too but probably not relevant

lunar remnant
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What fights do we want cleave on?

lean geode
brittle fiber
strange perch
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these are the bis gems?

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just making sure theyre not placeholder on the mouseover

minor gust
strange perch
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oh nice, missed that, thanks

steady trail
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can someone explain to me why my swings in arms sometimes get blocked and the weapon doesn't deal damage and doesn't regenerate my rage? sometimes it happens to me and I wonder what's going on, the gray swing timer bar has reached the end and turned red

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I'm still in range of melee attacks because I'm testing it on a training dummy

brittle fiber
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Parry

shadow ibex
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FingerGuns mechanic

minor gust
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Who needs fire and enhance totally not a low key like an 11 or something so things insta die

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winged wind
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You guys are going to get arms giga nerfed

misty sandal
lunar remnant
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I’m cleaving my socks off enjoying it while it lasts

sharp rivet
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does collateral damage buff to cleave drop off after some time if you dont use it? I can't see a buff on me or a debuff on target when sweeping strikes ends. Is that normal?

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not sure what im doing wrong - i have collateral dmg selected as a talent. I charge in to dummies, hit sweeping strikes. When it ends I don't see any extra buff on me or debuff on target. Even downloaded a WA to track it but it's not showing up either

grand idol
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Dummies can be weird sometimes not flagging as enemies or available targets. Try out in the world.

sharp rivet
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kk sec

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still nothing 😦

grand idol
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Also, I have been having some tiny bugs with the talent tree showing a spec im not talented into

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Make sure you are actually the proper spec

sharp rivet
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i've changed out of it and back in to it.. still nothing 😦

grand idol
sharp rivet
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yah im not getting that at all - and it's confirmed by the weakaura also not popping up

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have it selected - and apply changes button is grey

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i just get in to combat and hit sweeping strikes? that's all i need to do right - and wait for it to expire?

grand idol
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You need to cleave at least one attack

tacit crystal
grand idol
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Delete the log

tacit crystal
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(it was a 9 and they are casual)

sharp rivet
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i cleaved - still nothing

grand idol
icy mulch
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@magic canopy madox
Nice vid, was expecting my speakers to get blown out.

minor gust
magic canopy
minor gust
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slightly less bait overall screen shot

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Ravager slayer owns

icy mulch
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So cursed.

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Blizzard can't let that sit as is. No way in hell they ever saw this coming.

minor gust
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I genuinly wonder how long until they address it

grand idol
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Easy fix, buff storm by 15% and aura nerf by 5%

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Cause they are evil

minor gust
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ik 10.1 wasnt as bad but they left IP in the state it was the whole patch

icy mulch
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Oh, it will go live as is. We won't see it fixed till after a week or two.

devout pewter
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I hope long enough, we're finally good. Don't care if we don't have much support for the group, at least we got damage

icy mulch
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Same as Ret is gonna get a massive nerf to their aoe.

magic canopy
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i feel like they will fix it becuase it directly goes against what slayer is

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expecting a fix on monday

minor gust
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not really a nerf thing were looking at Slayer is funamentally broken if ravager is being taken instead of BS

icy mulch
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Also, nice hair cut @magic canopy
I noticed.

magic canopy
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tyty

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im torn on what to do with the haircut becuase short means i never have to mess with it

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but ive never had long hair so idk if i like it

minor gust
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ive always wanted moist critikal level of long hair

shadow ibex
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hair grows back

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have fun with it

icy mulch
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I've had long hair for a long time, cut it short about 2 yrs ago and will never go back.

minor gust
icy mulch
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Less product to clean and maintain, less hair getting every where, easier to wear hats and my beret. I like my hair shorter.

magic canopy
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yeah less fuss for sure

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short hair also hides the dent i have where my headphones sit all the time too

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or its less pronounced at least

devout pewter
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´been having long hair since DMC3 was cool when I was in school and never looked back still rocking it today. It's annoying sometimes especially when it gets too long, but it's fine and looks good

sharp rivet
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ah damn it - worked it out

grand idol
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Very strange. I walked right up to the dummies and cleaved an overpower and immediately got the buff.

magic canopy
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man im excited for patch launch

sharp rivet
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sweeping strikes expired well before I thought it was expiring so the buff was getting consumed before i saw it.

wintry arch
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do i bladestorm in execute?

grand idol
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Ravager*

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lul

devout pewter
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are we getting anything else in the new patch now except for season start and the raid?

glossy dust
grand idol
sharp rivet
wintry arch
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interesting, does the MS from bladestorm not consume EP?

grand idol
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No, it does

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Just want to use it

wintry arch
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kk ty!

glossy dust
sharp rivet
vivid void
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whats going on with ravager slayer?

long fable
minor gust
long fable
minor gust
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currently in the margin of error with bladestorm but giga cranks in execute

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soooooooo

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take that knowledge with what you will

long fable
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guess ill play around with ravager lol

magic canopy
icy mulch
magic canopy
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ooooh

untold trench
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God I hope rav becomes the meta pick for Slayer. Maybe they finally buff BS itself and not unhinged to give it value okayge

visual fern
long fable
grand idol
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I would enjoy a buff/nerf that made it an option. Storm for better overall performance and ravager for stronger execute.

silk spade
untold trench
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There is hope for BS buffs then okayge

grand idol
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An actual choice node

vestal isle
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never is :(

sharp rivet
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yah figured out what it was - i was looking at the wrong indicator and sweeping strikes had expired well before i thought it had

keen canyon
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Ravager nerf inc 😄

untold trench
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Good, good. Hopefully that affects fury as well peepoHappy

sharp rivet
silk spade
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you have 30 seconds to use CD

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you dont really need to hold op

sharp rivet
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ahh so you can OP after sweeping strikes because it wil still empower the next cleave.

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as long as yhou do them before you use a cleave i guess.. makes sense. thanks

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i think im making something quite straightforward more complicated than it is - will just stick to the guide and stop overthinkign stuff

silk spade
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yeah just try to have 2 MP before you use the CD cleave

long fable
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so what its just a simple switch of BS to Ravager or are we tweaking more talents

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wait it turns off the middle talents for slayer O.o

glossy dust
sour crown
long fable
mighty saddle
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Whats the max targets cleave hits. I see its reduced after 5

brittle fiber
long fable
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yeah but once you hit mid back its an annoyance

magic canopy
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i debating tryin out bald

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but i think id look too goofy

rancid solstice
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forced bald usually doesnt look right

hollow wave
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Why does slam even still exist?

magic canopy
long fable
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You guys ever notice a weird glow on your character for like no reason? I ran into a bug like this I think last year and had no idea what was causing it. Relogging fixed it

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rancid solstice
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started getting it around the time we got cyrce's circlet i want to say

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are you using legendary skipper gem?

long fable
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I ran into the bug back in october, was the circlet around then?

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Yeah I am

rancid solstice
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i think its that, i swapped to windsinger and i havent gotten the hand glow since

glossy dust
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Hey guys does sweeping strikes originate from you or from the target? Meaning do I have to stand between 2 mobs to hit both or is it based on if another mob is close to the mob im hitting

long fable
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I would think its based off the target hit

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with how its written

magic canopy
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i need mroe severance man

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i might rewatch it already

rare kite
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can't wait

magic canopy
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bro

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man

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fuck

silk spade
magic canopy
silk spade
long fable
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Arms really hits that dopamine button with the big numbers just BAM in your face

ionic reef
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how is arms looking for season 2?

long fable
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so good ive got two arms

magic canopy
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goodge

long fable
ionic reef
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every tier list ive seen so far says its doing really good and i enjoy playing arms wanted to know what you guys thought

magic canopy
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so far 2 of the last 3 bosses we know execute is super important and gallywix is still up in the air

ionic reef
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got it so raid is arms friendly

magic canopy
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so prepping for that as well as it and fury are pretty close arms is looking quite good

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in M+ colossus is also performing very well

ionic reef
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then ill give arms a go this season

vast helm
long fable
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i havent tried colossus yet hows it play?

smoky kayak
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great in multitarget
single target is just discount version of Slayer though

ionic reef
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multi target is strong cause of cleave yeah?

long fable
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Ah now i remember why I didnt try this. the button bloat is god awful

minor gust
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its 1 more button

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🤔

sharp rivet
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Arms feels way less apm than fury to me so I’m worried I’m going it wrong. They should be about same right?

long fable
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its the keybinds that mess it up for me. demolish is fine but prepping for aoe is not my thing its so much prep work

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vs Furies aoe which is just
Did ya whirlwind? K.

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Though maybe it feels better in play ill have to practice

rancid solstice
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You just follow the tank around cleavin and clappin
Throw a 10stack demolish in every warbreaker
Ezpz

long fable
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oh that doesnt feel so bad actually

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I prefer slayer though

smoky kayak
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you don't even really need to wait for 10 stacks, just throwing Demo on near-fresh packs is good enough (though it stacks faster due to MS+Cleave, so getting to 10 between each use is all but guaranteed)

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Problem with Slayer is that Bladestorm doesn't do any dam and maintaining Juggernaut is annoying

long fable
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oh good point

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demolish hits like a truck filled with slightly smaller trucks

rare kite
smoky kayak
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or nerf Ravager FeelsVeryEvilMan

magic canopy
smoky kayak
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the real answer is it depends on what they can do this late in the process

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there's a wide range of things they could do, from buffing Bladestorm, to nerfing Ravager, or just not allowing Ravager to be used as Slayer period

rare kite
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not allowing slayer to use ravager at all, holy moly

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first full on talent restriction

serene hollow
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I was really thinking that spear might be good in ravager burst windows in execute, but I can't make it happen with the APL. not even PI makes spear better in a 20 second window

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maybe there's some very nitty gritty customization that could make it good, but I can't seem to find it

rare kite
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cruel strikes and wild strikes very strong

serene hollow
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yeah seems so

smoky kayak
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Demolish being the exception, but also not a lot of hits, so very prone to crit RNG

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Spear/Might is best with something very condensed, like Fury Bladestorm

long fable
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good lord demolish hits hard

smoky kayak
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yes it does

unborn pelican
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Is the Battlelord Colossus ST build pinned anywhere? Tried looking for it but haven't been able to find it

smoky kayak
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it would be great for Might and there was some attempt to make it work, but the main problem there is that even stacking crit you've only got a about a 50/50 chance of that single big Demolish hit critting, and if it doens't crit your Might buff didn't do anything

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Again using the example of Fury Bladestorm, it hits several times which smooths out the rng curve

long fable
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Sweeping strikes should be off the global

magic canopy
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its a half global but it still feels ass

glossy dust
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Does sweeping strikes originate from you or from your target? Meaning do I have to stand between 2 mobs to hit both?

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Or does it just hit whatevers close to the mob I hit by itself

empty sluice
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Whatever is closer to you

rich ridge
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Slayer st still better than colo st?

minor gust
long fable
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thankfully. I hate skullsplitter lul

smoky kayak
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also just a good rule in general to always keep mobs in front of you as Arms, since Cleave and Demolish are frontal cones rather than true radial AoEs

glossy dust
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Roger that, thank you

long fable
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Ohmygoditclicked

grave cedar
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With mythic raid being released on day 1, should my crafting strategy be adjusted from s1? We expect to kill at least 7/8H and mythic vexxa and carnage in the first week

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Bearing in mind that I won't even have enough sparks for a 2h until week 3, would it make the most sense to just craft bracer/cloak immediately?

thick kelp
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you can either hold for a weapon craft, or alternatively use the free HC crest you get from killing gallywix campaign story to craft a 619 piece with dusk/dawn

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and then spend the mythic crests on upgrading important gear like weapon/trinkets

grave cedar
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Yeah the idea was to send the free runed crest, just a matter of on what

slow saddle
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i mean imma hold for weapon ngl

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but my guild progesses a bit slowly

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worst case scenario, 636 Oh for fury

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Best case 636 Mh for arms

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took me 10 weeks gettin my first 639 this season

rain cipher
wind quiver
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Is the coming execute nerf implemented in raidbots currently?

thick kelp
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no

fresh spire
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Can't wait for revvez to walk into raid with ravager

candid pecan
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its going to be hilarious

slow saddle
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like for real

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just let us

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Ravager

dense vector
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Hopefully it’s not just an apl bug

slow saddle
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i mean bladestorm as slayer

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has been horrid entire expansion

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on arms ofc

tacit mist
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easy solution for blizzard, they will just nerf ravager

candid pecan
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or.... you can't get overwhelmed stacks if you dont pick Bladestorm

minor gust
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they can do like 20 different things question is how long until they fix this xd cuz its either after RWF or not until .5 patch cuz they like to ignore warrior

slow saddle
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😄

quasi torrent
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i mean whats left to nerf on rav

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it just allows u to keep casting while it fires unhinged (including during exe for 2 ep between ticks)

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while bladestorm locks u in and u dont get amps on those MS 👍

slow saddle
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hear me OUT

fresh spire
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Tbf if a world rank warrior walks in with it during rwf

slow saddle
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What if bladestorm also executed

fresh spire
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I'm sure it will be done fast

quasi torrent
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world rank warrior

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crazy title

slow saddle
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ye is though if its revvez

thick kelp
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world rank warrior

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MR world rank

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id say they just remove ravager in arms kek

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Sir world rank warrior Revvez

sharp rivet
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What is ravagare allowing us to do that makes it op?

quasi torrent
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you attack during it

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👍

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it DOESNT MAKE IT OP

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bladestorm is just Horrid

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plz dont confuse the 2

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^_^

quasi torrent
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it is overpowered compared to where bladestorm is

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in the sense of the english language, not really in the sense its used colloquially in videogaming

sharp rivet
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what are we pressing during it that makes it so effective?

slow saddle
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everything?

quasi torrent
sharp rivet
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oh ok - so massive rage to spend basicaly?

slow saddle
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well lets put it like this

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ravager = send ms

spiral jewel
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Pressing buttons is better than not pressing buttons

sharp rivet
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got it 🙂

slow saddle
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if u ravage in execute phase u can press execute + op to buff ms

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I meant to put #1 world rank warrior

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world rank warrior

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HES THE GOATTT THE GOAAAAAT

minor gust
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But will the Devs even realize Revvez is playing ravager Slayer

fresh spire
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Surely they have a look at talents at least once

quasi torrent
dense vector
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To check for bug abuse

minor gust
fresh spire
minor gust
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I like to try think

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But the 5 second memory doesn't help

minor gust
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They are just gonna see him top dmg and aura nerf us

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Ez

fresh spire
minor gust
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No talent checkin involved

candid pecan
minor gust
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That's an old one

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Old slayer be like

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Sorry if I'm asking again but I didn't find any answer. I remember most of you saying that when switching to arms for a fight you keep fury gear and it doesn't really matter. Could I apply this to m+ also? Later in the season change the rings/necks and that's it?

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Fury plays much nicer into arms with same gear than arms into fury

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Depending if colossus or slayer

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Colossus really wants crit where slayer just likes haste

minor gust
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I got tons more I never posted

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Sat in work making loads of them

minor gust
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I will favorite them all

fresh spire
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The slam one will always be my fave

minor gust
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Fishing for resets be like

minor gust
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What no deft experience feels like

fresh spire
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Slam tier bonus

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I still can't believe they tried to make a slam tier

wanton pumice
thick kelp
remote ledge
minor gust
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It was a miracle that they gave up on that slam tier set and gave us something else entirely

fresh spire
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Was laughing My ass off as I started to fall i forgot I had leap to potentially save myself

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playing without deft sucks 100%

viral locust
silk spade
naive sage
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also playing with bladestorm in raid sucks

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when they made it a Must click button in st

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or well they want it to be

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The biggest thing they need to do to bladestorm is just give us fury bladestorm