arms

[minor gust]

one day you will realize it doesnt matter

because variance exists

[reef glade]

altho comparin a log i had from like a while ago looks like cs does pretty comparable damage to ms

i think

but also ms did just get buffed by like 200%

not on to read tooltips tho

[minor gust]

yeah unless its a 11.1 log I wouldnt look at it

66% MS buff do things

[reef glade]

either way its meaningless just like its meaningless to spam rb 5 times in fury for slaughtering strikes

optimization there if you want it

[tacit crystal]

I just legit doubt it adds anything but delaying avatar by 1 gcd

[frigid zealot]

Good morning, please tell me what to change according to the characteristics? f M+?

[reef glade]

it adds however much more damage ms does than cs

so like 200k damage

poggers

[wooden lava]

It's good practice imo to get the most value

the only variance is whether u get an SD proc to send at the end of BS

or if u just send MS again

[reef glade]

if you dont get sd you just send like an op

or something

maybe if op is worse than cs

its bad to do that

[wooden lava]

nah MS usually

[tacit crystal]

i really want to ask tmy to sim the diff

[wooden lava]

cos i dont get opportunist proc

[reef glade]

youd have to get an eb reset no

[tacit crystal]

but bro is prob eepung

[reef glade]

cant ms back to back

[wooden lava]

why?

[tacit crystal]

eb

you need a proc

[reef glade]

youre saying you either ms > bs > ms exe or ms > bs > ms > ms?

under lust

or whatever

3 globals that arent bs in reck

if you dont get the exe you have to get lucky or send an op

[wooden lava]

1. ms > bs > exe > ms

[reef glade]

yea you might not get the exe

[wooden lava]

2. Ms > bs > Ms > OP

[reef glade]

so yes

[wooden lava]

those are the two options

[reef glade]

either an exe or an op

and if you dont get an exe then comparing op to cs is the difference

[wooden lava]

OP is still more dmg

[reef glade]

if tru then chillin

[reef glade]

pogga

[visual fern]

Can you just

Not upgrade s1 items anymore

W/ crest/valor

[minor gust]

no

[tacit crystal]

no

[visual fern]

[tacit crystal]

l garmd

[reef glade]

gg

[worldly berry]

Hey all I have a quick question, looking at blood mallet I saw undead and nightborne seemed really high up for racials that effect damage, and last I saw they didn't really seem to be too great for warrior, what changed to make them be better for throughput? I know the number changes are incredibly small in general and it's absolutely not worth race swapping for 30-40 DPS and all that but just curious why they suddenly got so much better

[visual fern]

My last min splitrat

[reef glade]

bloodmallet usually kinda weird

[visual fern]

Was gonna slam upgrades this week

BUT NOW I CAN'T

[reef glade]

i think void elf is one of the better ones

[visual fern]

I bought those heroic runs for nothing.....

🪦

[minor gust]

F for Farms

[visual fern]

Real...

[hexed saddle]

bloodmallet isnt working for race sims

[wooden lava]

B for Bozo

get owned by Blizzard

[tacit crystal]

how many are you doingp

[hexed saddle]

best race is void elf for damage

[visual fern]

Main +1

[minor gust]

You cant say Bozo thats my word

[worldly berry]

Ok that makes a lot more sense then, thank you

[wooden lava]

Check the gear in Undermine, there's a bunch of 610 gear that's easy to acquire

[worldly berry]

I was void elf in dragon flight and just wasn't sure what happened, or if I missed some change

[visual fern]

Need 630~

[wooden lava]

the rest u can kinda just quickly craft 629s

[visual fern]

Or I'm ratge

Time to day key on tuesday and get @hexed saddle to carry me

[tacit crystal]

can you sim charge rend roar cs ava ms (ms) bs ms over regular rotation

[hexed saddle]

i dont sim things

[tacit crystal]

er opener

[minor gust]

you can use weathered crests for 629 crafts

[tacit crystal]

its okay sim it

[visual fern]

Is that the ones where

I fly around

Like bozo?

[hexed saddle]

cant

i have a dog

need to walk him every 3 hours or my life is hell

[tacit crystal]

Uh I dont know about perma flying

[tacit crystal]

gg

[tacit crystal]

best way to get crests is talk to rep vendors then do all weeklies

do not collect keys!

[reef glade]

u can craft like 632 with weathereds no

[tacit crystal]

29

[wooden lava]

@reef glade https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/3D7AmH9xBPp4Xjbh?fight=44&type=damage-done&source=8&start=8005083&end=8020173

[tacit crystal]

guys do i watch one more episode of one pace

[wooden lava]

the opener i was talking about

[reef glade]

yea i mean hard to see how impactful it was without reference but lowest ms doing a mil and cs doing 700k its prolly just right

also does cs dmg get put under cs dmg buff? i dont think so right

like its not like ramp enrage

[rare kite]

Ofcourse. One piece owns

[reef glade]

or is it

[tacit crystal]

mutou can you sim it

[tacit crystal]

i think it is

@rare kite do you know the answwrr to ish question

[rare kite]

No, too many episodes to sim

[reef glade]

bro deleted

[tacit crystal]

delted what

[rare kite]

Idk what question swordish had xD. Was too focused on One piece

[tacit crystal]

@hexed saddle

[wooden lava]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/3D7AmH9xBPp4Xjbh?fight=23&type=casts&source=8&start=5049223&end=5058823&view=timeline

here I don't send MS before BS

[tacit crystal]

does cs benefit the deepwounds it applies

[reef glade]

was less my question and more kaytwo's but just instead of ava > cs > ms > bs youd rather cs > ava > ms > bs

or that

[wooden lava]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/3D7AmH9xBPp4Xjbh?fight=23&type=damage-done&source=8&start=5049223&end=5058823 damage in that window

[reef glade]

and i meant the 30% cs buff not deep wounds

but that too ig

dw makes more sense for that to work i would think

[visual fern]

Weathered in DORN today

[reef glade]

big weatherer guy

[visual fern]

Wait can I get infinite or am I capped to 60

[tacit crystal]

i think ms before bs makes sense bit delaying ava cs zzzz

[visual fern]

[minor gust]

capped

[tacit crystal]

you can go past with rep vendors!

[visual fern]

Joever

[tacit crystal]

i think

[reef glade]

ava is getting delayed 1 global

[rare kite]

Iirc no to both. Can check in 5-10m. Just woke up

[wooden lava]

Yes the rep vendor crests do not count towards cap

[reef glade]

and cs doesnt move

[visual fern]

Yah but I'd rather

[tacit crystal]

yeah bro 1 global

[visual fern]

Never play wow again than farm rep

[tacit crystal]

grrrrr

[wooden lava]

CS on Raider Trainign Dummy hits for piss

[minor gust]

I thought it was bad at first cuz it looked like you were losing a second of CS and ava but my eyes were being dumb. Either way it will be hard to tell if theres any gain at all here unless you sim it

[reef glade]

i mean feelcrafting you just compare the dmg of any of the other main abilities vs cs

and see which youd rather have 25% crit chance on

its like meaningless increase but who cares boys just wanna have fun

[minor gust]

yeah

[wooden lava]

btw why did they nerf reck for arms?

[reef glade]

idk too op

[minor gust]

because arms cant have nice torments

[wooden lava]

i know it wasn't all that good to begin with, but man 25%?

[tacit crystal]

was slightly strong

[upbeat pelican]

90 is cap. Later in season they were uncapped in S1 atleast. You could just fly and convert to gilded crests :)

[reef glade]

ppl complained about infinite rage in df

now we dont have enough rage in exe

gg

[tacit crystal]

gg

[reef glade]

or maybe it was sl that was infinite rage

[minor gust]

it was DF

[reef glade]

also remember you saying you were going to sleep an hour ago

[minor gust]

when warlords was attached to CS and not ava

[reef glade]

yea that was nice

[minor gust]

yeah

[tacit crystal]

remember whjen i watched solo leveling into 1 episode of one pace

[minor gust]

made CS actually feel good to press

made it feel like a CD

[wooden lava]

u can get the 90 cap, but then you can go pick up like 30-45 from each renown vendor depending on what level of renown you reached

[tacit crystal]

and now im going to do 1 more one pace

gn fr

[reef glade]

o7

[minor gust]

Gn Gio

[visual fern]

Yah I need mega catchup
#arms message

90 cap isn't enough

[reef glade]

make enchanted weathered

craft sum shit

if havent already

[somber geyser]

Is there ever a target count where u are running the slayer ST build and u press whirlwind?

or should I just take that off my bars lmao

[reef glade]

i mean...

like 200 maybe

if theres any aoe you just use ww talents

if not then no

[somber geyser]

[reef glade]

slam better

i think

[minor gust]

like 4 targets is when WW is equal to slam

but at that point u put a point into cleave

[reef glade]

oh this is arms

xd

[somber geyser]

wuh

[minor gust]

tsk tsk tsk

[somber geyser]

so for example on rash right now, would u send a whirlwind into the little adds?

to pad

[reef glade]

probably

[somber geyser]

obv not ethically

[minor gust]

If I wanted to pad on adds I would just put a point into cleave

BB sucks now anyways

mega flex point

WW is piss weak

[visual fern]

Yah after I finish the gallywix unlock quest

[somber geyser]

yea I was just asking so for next raid, if I see a bunch of adds that I know I should press whirlwind 🙂

[visual fern]

Farming weathered

Is it 30 per craft?

[reef glade]

probably

if same as s1

[visual fern]

Not bad

[minor gust]

your not listening at that point you would just put a point into cleave

[reef glade]

yea if theres anything to aoe that like needs serious aoe you prolly cleave

[somber geyser]

yea I see what ur saying 👍

[minor gust]

if theres any world where you wanna aoe some adds on a fight you would take cleave. If you dont have cleave you would just ignore the adds and only hit them with TC and or maybe take DN

[somber geyser]

I'm existing in the imaginary world where I'm on a boss where the only thing that actually matters is boss damage so I run the pure ST build but there are some adds and I'm feeling a little zesty so I send a whirlwind

[reef glade]

then by all means get zesty

[minor gust]

if your really feeling zesty at the point you would just use WW like you would use slam

[somber geyser]

might be getting a little too zesty

[minor gust]

just tryna say you wouldnt spam WW if theres now 5 targets or hell even like 10

thats just how bad WW is

[somber geyser]

honestly I prefer it that way

[minor gust]

WW would just be a replacement filler to slam is all

[teal fossil]

I’m fairly sure sweeping slam>ww on 5

Or maybe even ww on 8

[minor gust]

your right I didnt take SS into account

you would prob need 10 targets then

[teal fossil]

Ww is gonna become a discarded ability for arms

[minor gust]

it needs to be

[teal fossil]

It’s never gonna receive a buff

[minor gust]

remove WW make cleave baseline and just add more cleave talents

[teal fossil]

So every rotational spell buff it’s just gonna fall behind

[teal fossil]

I’m ok with that but if cleave is baseline it’s gonna be pretty bad baseline

[minor gust]

they can nerf cleave idc just make that shit baseline rework SOS to be useful and add another two cleave talents were cleave is and where reaping use to be

[stable fiber]

remove skullsplitter

[teal fossil]

id rather them combine ms and cleave first

[minor gust]

if they went that route they should keep WW then

[teal fossil]

Yea

Either or

Don’t like the current MS rules in aoe

I rather fill with tc tbh

So prio would be ms>op>tc>ww

[minor gust]

im pretty indifferent about it I think its fine. lil extra prio dmg and helps get demolish back quicker

[visual fern]

Make cleave baseline > add WW talent > ww replaces cleave and gives arms meat cleaver

Hire

me

BlIZZard

[minor gust]

make sure its 8 target meat cleaver too

so the furrys get mad

[visual fern]

Cleave is what

5T?

Before split

[minor gust]

think so not certain tho

[quasi torrent]

arms = fury

[visual fern]

Real

[snow flame]

While you’re there take sweeping strikes off the gcd

[minor gust]

even better give an option for legion SS instead of extended SS

[cobalt sinew]

why dont they bring warrior banners back

[reef glade]

dam ppl close to my dmg in a key

nice

nerf unholy btw

[vestal raptor]

Does anyone know of a weakaura similar to https://wago.io/spinningcranekick but for rend on aoe or should I just thug it out and look at nameplates more

[civic path]

Slam feel so boring to press I swear

[vestal isle]

yup

but

filler

[slow saddle]

slams supposed to be booring

[halcyon grove]

anyone know what race will be the best overall for warrior mainly arms ?

[thick kelp]

velf

[slow saddle]

i say what i usually say

play what u think looks the best

Warrior gets nerfed coz we to good, i cant get into 12s even though i have 11++ keys

[fallen oar]

hahaha everytime I press slam it feels like a wet noodle. Blizz should at least change sound or animation of it

[civic path]

Goblin for matching Undermine season

[civic path]

yeah at least a cool animation ! mean you actually feel like SLAMING

not playing with a pool noodle

[fresh spire]

[wooden lava]

5 melee kick group

insane

[cloud gyro]

Guys what if battlelord colossus was meta on ST

GG ?

[vast helm]

[cloud gyro]

this is what peak performance looks like

[cloud gyro]

But thats slayer no?

[thick kelp]

yes

[cloud gyro]

still respectable

[thick kelp]

Slayer blord is closer to viable than colossus blord

[halcyon breach]

me when ravager slayer

this is fake right

[tiny sable]

yo lads, what gems do we run in the ring now

[eager sigil]

#updates-midnight

[daring heron]

bladestorm is cooked lmao

[thick kelp]

Jugg is cooked for that pic

thats using BS

[cloud gyro]

When you randomly buff/nerf individual spells and the spec synergies break down

[icy mulch]

Wait, what did they do to Bladestorm now?

[thick kelp]

Nothing

outside of the 5% auranerf

The pic I sent is just comparing a battlelord slayer build vs juggernaut slayer build

btw

still using bs

for now

[icy mulch]

Does that cursed looking build actually sim better?

[eager sigil]

no

[thick kelp]

not yet

[cloud gyro]

Im super down to play battlelord tho

[daring heron]

aaa

[thick kelp]

There is the fullpage

[daring heron]

is the rage ok with that build

theres no ct or sks

[icy mulch]

Remove jugg talent, buff execute again.

[daring heron]

or fb

[tiny sable]

ty love

[cloud gyro]

can just drop 1x bleed to take bloodsurge

battlelord gives rage tho

[grizzled estuary]

hey guys, any tips for dealing with MS/CLEAVE resets please? i feel i have the head in my bards (even though ive setup WA to have these buttons higher)
i'm considering sound alerts but idk if its a good idea

[tall wedge]

Now arms is better or fury in Raid?

[rare kite]

how much do you lose dropping 1 point bb for fb? anything to make execute phase less rage starved

[cloud gyro]

Does it even make a difference for slayer in execute? I always have infinite rage

[thick kelp]

this is

wtih blord

:D

[fresh spire]

guys what about this?

[sacred zodiac]

did you see warrior is dead and nerfed

[thick kelp]

Yeah it is so dead

[sacred zodiac]

bro wtf is that rage graph

[halcyon breach]

arms

[thick kelp]

Slayer*

[halcyon breach]

warrior

[cloud gyro]

arms

[thick kelp]

Soon ™️

[fallen oar]

So you guys here learned me that Slayer is better ST and colossus better for aoe. But what is more fun to play? Slayer is better mobilty due to lowering charge en Leap cd and faster movement speed after charge? Do you notice this a lot?

[cloud gyro]

Difference is noticeable for mobility sure, some heavy movement raid fights it feels much better, but its not super big

[slow saddle]

Presseing demolish feels good in m+

[fallen oar]

Do you swap Hero builds? Lets say when you do solo content (quests and stuff) to slayer and colossus for mythics? Or focus one Hero build?

[slow saddle]

i havent rly played around with in raid.

Col for all content exept raid

i play slayer

[fallen oar]

Ok thnx mate

[cloud gyro]

I swap a lot, sometimes i wanna play slayer in m+, sometimes i wanna play colossus in raid - but thats just for fun

You can definetely stick to one and do fine, but the playstyles arent that different

[slow saddle]

ah ye, it fels like he asked from a power perspective

i mean theres no real reason not to play what u enjoy most of the 2. and lets be honest solo content, it does not matter

[fallen oar]

Thinking off going colossus just for m+ and slayer for when playing solo stuff, maybe for faster mobility

Havent tried slayer yet, i played thane fury S1

[dim basalt]

Slayer is not more mobile

[rare kite]

it objectively is. not that the extra mobility matters most of the time

[fallen oar]

You can lower charge and Leap cd and get speed bonus after charge

[dim basalt]

Thats very rarely ever useful

[rare kite]

you definetely feel the extra movement speed after charging. never ran the leap talent myself

[cloud gyro]

Speed bonus after charge feels super good

[halcyon breach]

The slayer charge node singlehandedly made Ovinax less cringe to play

[dim basalt]

Real men play Colossus on Ovinax to pad

[daring heron]

i was assigned freedom from one of the palas

was not gonna argue against

[slow saddle]

y when ever i hear we have a spare anything

i always raise my hand

why not, make my life easier

[dim basalt]

same

[slow saddle]

1 stupid q

the citrine change is allready in r?

goodbye legendary skipper

[gloomy ledge]

Do you guys feel that PUGs discriminate harder against warrior dps than rets?

My friends hate on me cause Im a warrior without utility. They say I should go ret. Thoughts?

[slow saddle]

well

depends

do u want to go ret?

if u wanna get into keys easier, usually having a dispell / freedom is worth a lot, also perception atm is ret is great

if u look objectively Warrior seems to have A lot of dmg going into next tier. ( dno if ret sims are totally correct)

[dim basalt]

Ret is doing well too yeah

But who cares what you play really

Unless youre pushing for top end content youre not gonna struggle because of your class

[slow saddle]

that

but also your friends are correct

u are makin it objectively harder by playing warrior

as they will have to bring the dispels or other utilities

[gloomy ledge]

What makes you guys love warrior?

[slow saddle]

its warrior

i dno what to say, ive played it for 20 years

[dim basalt]

Dunno its fun to play

I would still love a removal of jugg tho

[slow saddle]

yeah

im a bit sad that they just nerfed baseline exeucte

[dim basalt]

Or just nerf Slayer in a way that doesnt affect colossus

ye

[slow saddle]

i had rly hoped they wouldda fucked jugger instead

i want good SD executes

just make jugger stack less times

10 times mby?

higher baseline less top dmg

[dim basalt]

Nerfing execute just feels bad because thats what we should be good at

[gloomy ledge]

As a long time warrior I feel bullied by the dev team. If we lack utility they should at least let us have a little extra damage

[slow saddle]

m8

our dmg atm

with nerf

[dim basalt]

We still have that extra damage

[slow saddle]

is VERY good

so lets not complain

[dim basalt]

Most specs sim 200-400k less

As of right now

[slow saddle]

also id prefer the BIG Mortal strike

[eager sigil]

with reset i think

[slow saddle]

so all in all in not complaining, more that id prefer them to AXE juggernaut 😄

as its a least fav talent

[gloomy ledge]

Do you guys have access to that spreadsheet with all specs dps and tier set dps?

[dim basalt]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/14Us4SYeq2fr3sG-iv1ADOORaO5NZqXFhQdt7UJzpfro/htmlview?pli=1

WW still with the oversim on there

[gloomy ledge]

thanks!

[hybrid knoll]

colossus is pretty close to slayer? huh.

[dim basalt]

Execute nerf affected Slayer more than Colossus ye

[hybrid knoll]

ah makes sense

[cloud gyro]

big hits

[quasi field]

Fury over arms again?

[dim basalt]

yup

Its not gonna matter much though

[quasi field]

The raid fight are mostly for arms

[dim basalt]

If you need more damage in execute you will wanna play Arms

[quasi field]

Ye

[fallen oar]

Charge. Leap. No magic. /flex

[quasi field]

Last 2 before last boss are basically giga execute fights where you need to blast

[gloomy ledge]

charge and leap are AMAZING

[faint lily]

Anyone know why this macro isn't working?

#showtooltip
/cast [@cursor, known:Ravager] Ravager; [known:Bladestorm] Bladestorm

It casts Ravager fine but when I swap to bladestorm, it keeps telling me Spell not Learned

[eager sigil]

make it 2 lines

[faint lily]

This how it looks right now :O

[eager sigil]

add a /cast

[faint lily]

Like that? It's still graying bladestorm out for me 😅

[eager sigil]

this is mine actually /cast [known:228920,@cursor] Ravager; Bladestorm

its from maxroll

think you need the spellid

[faint lily]

Hmm, what the heck, its grayed out too

Lemme relog

[eager sigil]

it works for me

[faint lily]

I'm using the same macro for my druids Force of Nature/ Warrior of Elune and that works fine x.x

[gloomy ledge]

Is there an easy way to sort the tables here?

[faint lily]

Relogging fixed it, thanks blizz

[dim basalt]

There would be if you could make a copy of it but nope

[abstract verge]

Do you think arms is ahead of fury either in m+ and myth raidinig? I have seen the sims but thats optimal playing with no downtime

Correctv

[dim basalt]

Ahead in M+, in raid will be ahead of Fury in various scenarios

Fury still very good tho

[abstract verge]

Ill need to min max and choose the one that performs the best in myth raid at the end, so im trying to understand which spec prio

You know with craft and mostly rcloot

[dim basalt]

For most bosses it wont matter too much whether you play Arms or Fury

For the later bosses it will 100% be arms

[tight fractal]

Wrong channel, my bad lmao

[brittle fiber]

my realm just crashed lmfao

[weak rain]

arms is dead

[abstract verge]

That seems a little excessive

[sharp rivet]

Seems questionable.

[abstract verge]

Im 100% sure ill choose a spec and then the other is gonna be better

[sharp rivet]

Is that before or after your alt gets full bis in a single week?

[abstract verge]

Ahhahaah

Im only warrior in the roster

Just need to choose the spec, but as soon as i go full crit haste fury is gonna become op uncapped and unstoppable

For sure

[lunar remnant]

For Burst AoE fights like Rik reverb heroic I’m wondering if slayer > colossus would be better

[glossy hill]

My raids got 9 people on our token

Fml

[abstract verge]

Shit

I have 4

[glossy hill]

It's rough

[abstract verge]

Do you have gearing prio?

[boreal quartz]

simply play the best of al those and get spoonfed

or do splits

[glossy hill]

If you need roll

So dumb

[boreal quartz]

oh so u dont tryhard it

guess thats ok too

[dim basalt]

3 here, one of them is aug

But rogue gets more from their tier so I will be the 2nd person receiving it

[arctic matrix]

This is the truth for real bro I mean ele shamans and enh shamans been toping raid damage all last season and there utility is on another level in comparison to us. So at least let us be too damage for a week or two before hitting us with these type of nerfs 🤣 🤣

[sharp rivet]

should i be using a cancelaura for sweeping strikes even as a beginner? Is it a BIG difference to get collateral damage up?

[snow flame]

you should never cancel sweeeping strikes

[rocky storm]

We need banners back tbh

And br - threaten someone back to life

[sharp rivet]

ah ok thanks - i was watching a video where a guy is saying to do it.

[snow flame]

who?

I've never heard anyone say to cancel it

[sharp rivet]

if approaching the end of a pack and it wont be up for next pack i think is what he said

to boost the cleave.

[hexed snow]

Do we go Slayer for ST raid?

[snow flame]

for ST yes

[hexed snow]

Ty cya at #fury

🫡😂

[snow flame]

this is such a rare occurrence I can't imagine doing it that often enough to warrant ever doing it in the video you're talking about he says he does it like once a week

[lofty elm]

It feels like the 3 main guide websites (WH, IV and Maxroll) all have different rotation prios, is there a best one to use?

[sharp rivet]

he mentions it at 5:17 but yes he says its min max

[hexed snow]

Click overpower then mortal strike and sometimes you click CD

[snow flame]

yeah imo it's so rare you can just not do it

you won't lose anything

[sharp rivet]

that's very helpful thanks

[snow flame]

I would say go off wowhead

I personally don't know how reliable maxroll is even though it says revvez wrote it

there has been some signs that the website uses ai

[gaunt owl]

for the written stuff its questionable

[void bay]

there are signs that revvez is an AI too 🤣

[snow flame]

now if I was 100 percent sure revvez wrote it himself

[gaunt owl]

research should be 100% Revvez

[snow flame]

I would say maxroll

cause revvez is the goat

also I can't imagine the guides being too different

[gaunt owl]

Revvez is a machine

[void bay]

exactly

[lofty elm]

they actually are quite different

for rotation anyway

but thanks will use WH

[snow flame]

can you show me an exmaple

example

on what part you're talking about for the rotation

[lofty elm]

for execute after MS w/ 2EP:

WH: Overpower with Opportunist, rage <85, and <2 stacks of Martial Prowess

MR: Use ‍Overpower if you don't already have 2x ‍Martial Prowess and any of this applies

I know that might seems small

but there's a lot of that

especially when you get to AoE rotation

[gaunt owl]

Revvez does his own APL

[snow flame]

isnt that the same things

unless my reading is dumb

[gaunt owl]

so he might have different things but same results

[snow flame]

they might be worded a little different but its the same result no?

@gaunt owl

like either way if you don't have 2 martial stacks you dont overpower

thats what both sentences say?

[rich kernel]

yeah

[gaunt owl]

yep

and Revvez has a and conditions too

its only because tier set

[snow flame]

yeah his is more wordy

[gaunt owl]

he try to min max

[astral stag]

how is undead simming so high on bloodmallet all of sudden?

[rare kite]

look at the bloodmallet numbers

[snow flame]

I don't think bloodmallet is updated yet

atleast it wasnt when I chcked a few days ago

[rare kite]

bloodmallet very much not updated

[astral stag]

oh okay

[snow flame]

TLDR its the same thing

just worded different

either way you send op if you don’t have 2 stacks of martial prowess

[hexed snow]

I gotta read more into arms

[gaunt owl]

Bloodmallet last update was a week ago

[rich kernel]

um is this right?

Mastery=Haste in m+?

[quaint otter]

Why not

Its been so in s1 too for colo

[rich kernel]

Really? Didn't know that. I thought haste was #1, for like rage gen?

[shadow ibex]

m+ sims are scuffed i think most of us here go for mastery and crit as colossus because we like big number

[quaint otter]

Haste better for slayer crit for colo

[halcyon valve]

Exactly

[gaunt owl]

haste wont make you rage gen faster

it speed up everything equally

[rancid solstice]

Where can I find this guide?

[gaunt owl]

maxroll

[rancid solstice]

Ah, ty sir

[rich kernel]

swings faster? more swings=more rage?

[gaunt owl]

gcd is faster too

[shadow ibex]

it increases the gcd so u spend more too but we have free GCDs. also have attack speed increase in wild strikes that doesnt affect GCD but does increase rage income

[gaunt owl]

for more rage you need crit on AA

[boreal quartz]

haste is rage neutral

[lofty elm]

Best to run Warlord's or Blademaster's Torment in Colossus M+?

[compact rover]

did the nerf ruin arms or is it still fine?

[dim basalt]

#updates-midnight

[untold trench]

Warrior is dead, reroll firemage. Crit swapped to mage, lincc is enh and archi is a rogue.
It is all over

[dim basalt]

We still have Madox its ok

[untold trench]

Madox rerolled druid, feral

[trim lintel]

im gonna reroll reaper on ff14

[dim basalt]

Bizen? 😦

[untold trench]

Rerolled to spriest

[dim basalt]

[compact rover]

do y'all consider arms to be harder to play than fury? if so why or why not?

[trim lintel]

arms easier

[untold trench]

Arms is simpler and more static. While being less forgiving than Fury if you missclick.
Fury got a ton of running modifiers to minmax on. A lot more fluid

[dim basalt]

Arms is defo harder lol

[floral ledge]

the export button on the top right

is for what ?

[trim lintel]

mrt reminders

[eager sigil]

your mrt note probably

if you have the kaze wa youll get a tts

[untold trench]

Oh, and just in case. For PvP Fury is easier. As it doesn't suffer there from all the PvE minmax, only ramp kill potential
Arms got more setup in that playmode

[dim basalt]

Fury is easier in general

In pure ST the diff isnt really that big, but in other content its noticable

Also surviving stuff

[rigid badger]

hey folks! Maybe you can help me out with a cosmetic issue I am having. I used the Glyph of the Weaponmaster back in like Legion/BFA days on my arms warrior. Now it still triggers in arms spec whenever the "Warlord's Torment" Talent triggers Recklessness in Arms spec (I cannot talent Reck as arms tho). And I do not have the glyph on my Fury build - how can I remove the glyph as arms? The UI wont let me, Recklessness is greyed out!

and before anyone recommends customer service - I opened a ticket and an AI "GM" told me to just use vanishing powder or spec into the talent / reset the UI... (how is that supposed to help?)

[boreal quartz]

try addign and removing on fury

if not idk

[azure basalt]

Any1 got an ST build for colo? Can't seem to find it on wowhead guide, all i see is slayer ST

[rigid badger]

I tried that immediately, alas, it did not work

[boreal quartz]

un4ch

[shadow ibex]

That's a bug yea

Pretty sure no known fix

[old hollow]

anyone know of a good conditionals WA for execute going into this season? just resubbed looks like 3 conditions and i just wanna warrior brain

[lunar remnant]

Fury easier for sure

[olive nest]

https://wago.io/9n9GqeQ6-

It will go “kaching” whenever you should press a sudden death charge

[old hollow]

@brewjj ty sir

[olive nest]

This does not tell you how to do the execute rotation

So make sure you still do the execute rotation below 35%

[shadow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/worried-kermit-kermit-the-frog-muppets-stressed-gif-17987745

[old hollow]

yea i just wanted something to track all 3. idk how to make that and i didnt want to have 3 seperate auras

appreciate it

[olive nest]

Np! Gl!

[crystal nymph]

Crit swapped to mage? H u h

[untold trench]

[crystal nymph]

https://tenor.com/view/skeptical-futurama-fry-hmmm-i-got-my-eyes-on-you-gif-17101711

[untold thorn]

do we have any SIM that show what stats would be best for arms

[eager sigil]

you want crit haste

[untold thorn]

its the same for pvp?

[eager sigil]

this is not a pvp discord

no clue

[dim basalt]

#pvp

[gaunt owl]

have you heard about Ravager Slayer ?

[snow flame]

yes

[naive sage]

Tell me more

[gaunt owl]

this is cursed

[flat willow]

This is not a story the jedi would tell you

[magic canopy]

What did fishy cook up this time

[gaunt owl]

not sure if its his fault this time

[shadow ibex]

BS does no dam anyway

[prime whale]

is it fair to assume that our restored coffer keys will be zero'd out on tuesday? anyone know?

[eager sigil]

yes

[shadow ibex]

even if u had 10000 you can only use so many a week

or am i crazy

[prime whale]

it's true, but farming them up is still a process

[eager sigil]

yea and for vault you dont need any keys

[void bay]

I use like 200 a week

[latent moss]

old stuff

rav was barely behind in 11.0

[gaunt owl]

👴

[latent moss]

idk now

[clever agate]

Hello, im fairly new & thinking to switch to arms for season 2 pve, would this be a good change or is fury still meta?

[gaunt owl]

its barely behind

[steep osprey]

this what happens when you don't buff BS when it's already in a shitty state

[latent moss]

blord slayer is within 1%

[steep osprey]

good job devs

[latent moss]

over jugg

i will try and find a way to push it closer

perhaps lower exe prio

idk not on pc cant rn

[flat willow]

simply put

we must kill the juggernaut

[latent moss]

i hate dropping jugg due to bad sd rng one pull

then not dropping it second pull and getting to exe with 12 stacks

90000 times more dps

[thick kelp]

yapping to yap

Blord Slayer is within variance in current gear

and in bis its 0.4%

behind

[fresh spire]

yeh its myfault, along side the BL fuckery

my bad cheif

😄

cant help they decided to flat nerf execute as a baseline

[latent moss]

hooly

lets go

[fresh spire]

which has caused some stupid fuckery with battlelord and ravager being .3% behind

[steep osprey]

you're the problem for even doing apl and simming

[latent moss]

id rather play blord slayer than jugg

blord is fun

jugg isnt

[steep osprey]

Tha's not the issue

teh issue is Ravager being right behind BS as slayer

that is a gamebreaking issue

that needs to be fixed asap

[latent moss]

always has been

not this close

but it was within 1-2%

[thick kelp]

Right behind is kinda understatement

[latent moss]

ye i mean

bs is just 10 years long

[steep osprey]

I don't think it should ever be this close, they need to fire some people if it's this way

[latent moss]

rav gives rage gen

[steep osprey]

it's laughable

[latent moss]

giga burst in exe with ep

giga rage gen

[magic canopy]

@smoky kayak you gotta get them to nerf jugg instead this is cursed

[smoky kayak]

Not sure Jugg is actually the problem there lol, but they're already aware

[steep osprey]

They are?

[flat willow]

it is pretty funny

[steep osprey]

that is interesting

[latent moss]

solution is to just remove jugg

[dull siren]

Make bladestorm faster

problem fixed

[latent moss]

and bs speed

ye

[smoky kayak]

that would be the preferred solution, yes

[boreal quartz]

delete juggernaut

inshallah

[latent moss]

its so slow i hate it

[smoky kayak]

make BS faster and stronger

[flat willow]

https://tenor.com/view/jimmy-fallon-harder-bigger-faster-gif-21771357

[steep osprey]

Give them Fury BS and buff it

[boreal quartz]

i would take a look at rage generation

[smoky kayak]

making it faster would also tune itself, since it removes a Mortal Strike from Unhinged

[boreal quartz]

and remove AM

[dull siren]

BS Stronger = aura nerf for AoE
= Punished overall = The normal outcome
Chatting

[flat willow]

I like your way of thinking my good man

[smoky kayak]

that's a dramatically bigger change that doesn't even necessarily fix the problem lol

[boreal quartz]

timmas whats ur LEC prediciton

[steep osprey]

yeah but BS is doing nothing in aoe

[boreal quartz]

its more my general wish for the spec

[steep osprey]

it's trash

[latent moss]

phil yapping

[steep osprey]

buffing it would make it in line

[latent moss]

remove bs from arms for all i care

[flat willow]

don't remove bs, it's very important for pvp

[latent moss]

pvp lmao

[flat willow]

talking about pvp, they must be pissed with execute hitting like a wet noodle

[dull siren]

Just give back Condemn + Condemn Charge for PvP and remove Bladestorm

Chatting

[latent moss]

death sentence

[flat willow]

let the 10 pvp players left enjoy things

[steep osprey]

nerfing execute by 15% does not make it hit like a wet noodle

[latent moss]

goofy ahh pvp talent

[steep osprey]

lol

[shadow ibex]

BS hits for like a fuckin slam

[flat willow]

in pvp it kinda does

[shadow ibex]

its pathetic

[flat willow]

you must execute people with execute

[dull siren]

Box only dooms

Never seen a happy Box

[steep osprey]

I'm not dooming rn

I'm being real

[flat willow]

but again, I don't care about pvp

[latent moss]

i mean yeah thats what happens when u buff rotational abilities by a massive % twice

ravager lets u press them

[flat willow]

I'm just happy execute was nerfed instead of mortal strike

[latent moss]

bs doesnt

[steep osprey]

Frappe Mortalle

[boreal quartz]

doward spiral from this image onwards

[smoky kayak]

my proposition for a hypothetical future rework is

• Return Tactician to Colossus Smash
• Remove AM (and probably change/nerf/remove IftK/ToM/Spiteful Serenity in the process)
• Reduce Bladestorm to a 1m CD, leave Ravager at 1.5m
• Add Taste for Blood mechanics to Overpower instead
• change Bloodletting to Mortal Strike crits add ~5ish seconds to the duration of Rend

The intent being that you get CS procs back, Rend gets more gameplay interaction with Overpower, and you reduce the need to refresh Rend without turning it completely into a button you press only once per fight (while also weighting crit a little bit more in the process). Reducing the CD of Bladestorm to 1m base still allows it to be reduced further by Slayer, so it'll line up with Avatar similar to how Fury does, Ravager stays at 1.5m to always align with Avatar

[steep osprey]

Real..

[dull siren]

But who did ask Box tho? He just keeps commenting Chatting

[flat willow]

tactician to colossus smash

my dream

[steep osprey]

Who asked anyone anything

why are we all chatting

[boreal quartz]

i like parts of these

death to am

[thick kelp]

12.0

[latent moss]

19.0

[boreal quartz]

its almost been 3 years

[steep osprey]

[smoky kayak]

I forgot one if you wanna look again

[steep osprey]

[latent moss]

jugg remove

[boreal quartz]

i think the BS tuning in SL was alright in concept

ms bs ms for rage only

[steep osprey]

I love the Tactician return to CS and TfB for OP

[boreal quartz]

so its completely free to hold for pad

[steep osprey]

That's how BS has been for a while before

in Cata it's useless for ST

[latent moss]

fucked in aoe

[steep osprey]

you use it for aoe

[smoky kayak]

I don't think Jugg needs to be removed tbh, it just needs some more strict fine tuning to keep it from being annoying

[latent moss]

idk 9.2 was peak numbers i feel

[steep osprey]

I think Jugg stacks need to go way down

[latent moss]

exe did unreal damage

[boreal quartz]

i dont see a world where jugg is ok if u want interesting gameplay before execute

cuz imo that requires less rage

[latent moss]

but u couldnt press it much

[dull siren]

Just make jugg uncapped

Chatting

[latent moss]

real

[steep osprey]

what if it's less stacks?

like 5

[boreal quartz]

post the goku video 111

[boreal quartz]

if you remove slayer sure

[dim basalt]

Uncapped stacks but you cant get stacks before exe phase

[boreal quartz]

[fresh spire]

Tbf

[latent moss]

jugg stacks dont fall off in combat

[boreal quartz]

jugg stacks dont work in combat - talent remains bugged then removed

🙏

[smoky kayak]

honestly the best way to fix jugg is probably doing the opposite of what everyone wants - reduce the stacks and duration instead of increasing them

• making it a 5s buff that needs to be constantly refreshed pretty much guarantees that even the best Slayer RNG won't be able to stack it up pre-Execute
• reducing it to 5 or so stacks would also make dropping stacks less painful, since they're much quicker to stack back up

It wouldn't always be vaible for every boss encounter with target swapping or downtime, but that's fine as long as there are other competitive options (Battlelord, Colossus, etc)

[dull siren]

Mortal Strike proc Colossus Smash
Mortal Strike proc a second Mortal Strike
Chatting

[gaunt owl]

imagine the good thing from SL and nothing was reused

[flat willow]

"Mortal Strike proc a second Mortal Strike" never

[shadow ibex]

yea i was gonna say is colossus smash on tact and MS applying CS super similar

[dull siren]

If you only knew

"never"

[smoky kayak]

see this is a popular idea because it sounds powerful, but it allows for a huge amount of abuse on longer fights

[shadow ibex]

one requires a global i guess

[flat willow]

never again

[steep osprey]

Yeah that's way too similar with the Tact on CS idea

And would be counter intuitive

[dull siren]

Nerf execute and add back Condemn as a talent and never take execute problem fixed Chatting

[smoky kayak]

unpopular but I don't like "Ability auto procs XYZ" mechanics. They may be better in terms of raw value, but they don't have any gameplay impact

[boreal quartz]

hold dps for warrior jugg

[weak rain]

remove massacre remove sudden death remove juggernaut, buff execute by 100%

[boreal quartz]

[smoky kayak]

So I'd take Tactician CS resets over MS auto applies CS any day

[boreal quartz]

i want mortal combo tho pls

[smoky kayak]

one makes you push buttons differently, the other is just passive and automatic

[boreal quartz]

cool sound

[steep osprey]

Would you bring back the Legion Mastery or current CS

[boreal quartz]

and if u have it guarantee proc on idk every 5th MS its effectively just 20% ms buff per hit or smth

[smoky kayak]

I think EB reset is fine, but I do think it should inherit the Mortal Combo audio/animation when you press MS back to back - they did that for Stormstrike way back in WoD, so there's no reason they couldn't for MS now

[boreal quartz]

or for swept ms

[shadow ibex]

the CS effect has to change then right

or we just have perma uptime

[boreal quartz]

the wb animation too

jesus fuck its sooo bad

[naive breach]

am i weird for wanting amirdrassil SD thunderclap back

[magic canopy]

Eb has a 20% chance to make your ms hit twice and require 60 rage to cast

[smoky kayak]

yeah the new WB sucks hard; they said they're working on it though

[magic canopy]

We get mortal combo back and does same thing. Still powerful for 1 global tho

[boreal quartz]

no i see a bunch of ppl wanting it

i dont rlly need it to rend on st tbf

[naive breach]

some cheeks were clapped

[boreal quartz]

but i like sd being big in aoe

[shadow ibex]

give me passive 3 target MS. make cleave a button i can press that does mega dam if MS hits 3 target +

[naive breach]

maybe my boy archim could get me that talent for next content ⏸️

[smoky kayak]

Yeah it's a super popular idea that Blizz should reuse (MAYBE THEY WOULD IF PEOPLE HAD VOTED FOR IT)

[smoky kayak]

I'd like to see a Sweeping Strikes follow on talent that adds an extra target or removes the CD/makes it passive/etc

but I'm afraid that it becomes one of those talents that you just always take unless you give it a major downside or some strong competition

fwiw I wouldn't mind perma Sweep ala Legion, but I don't think it's something they're just going to add in for the hell of it either

[shadow ibex]

i want aoe to be a combo like that

isntead of this mindless cleave spam

[weak rain]

give stronger bleed talent(bfa level of bleed)

[naive breach]

dont make me a dot class Sadge

[boreal quartz]

i think 1-2 guy rend with crit amp felt good

[magic canopy]

Bleeds need to be less a part of arms

[shadow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/bait-thats-bait-tom-hardy-mad-max-gif-5055384

bfa bleeds i mean

[tacit crystal]

guys what if we just shot arms and made it only

[naive breach]

perfection

[boreal quartz]

i miss sl fervor vs rend vs mass choice

old trees made that rlly cool

[smoky kayak]

I still think Cleave should have just replaced MS, maybe with an extra talent that makes MS deal more damage to the primary target or something(?), but I don't hate how it is now

I kinda like weaving MS and Cleave, but I do feel like Arms multitarget has like one rotational button too many (my preference would be finding a way to let Cleave remove the need for Slam even against single target M+ bosses, though sharing Martial Prowess kinda gets in the way)

[shadow ibex]

im ok with cleave becoming MS with talent

i always liked the idea theyhad in SL alpha tho where hitting something with X unlocks cast of mega aoe hit

idc if its ww or cleave or w/e

[flat willow]

just gotta wait 2 more years for wod classic

[naive breach]

wod my beloved

[smoky kayak]

🤮

[boreal quartz]

i liked storm of swords no cleave aoe builds

[shadow ibex]

that time they had to remove charge granting rage to the same target more than once

because we charge weaved so much

[fresh spire]

what im hearing is revert fob

[boreal quartz]

that kinda relied on that ww / roar / s3 clap and ss to bridge the gap

[shadow ibex]

wod def had moments

[smoky kayak]

by that time you mean the entirety of WoD lol

[boreal quartz]

and then did fun st

[smoky kayak]

I would love to revert FoB yeah, probably just move it lower in the tree or something

[boreal quartz]

weaving is good gameplay that should be encouraged as skill expression

[smoky kayak]

actually

[shadow ibex]

i agree

[smoky kayak]

remove WW from Arms entirely (or just make FoB only work with Cleave), move FoB below Cleave in the talent tree, revert the 2 target requirement, done

[fresh spire]

[boreal quartz]

"cleave mortal strikes its main target"

or smth

[fresh spire]

there is a lovely spot under cleave where it would fit in sooooooooo well

[boreal quartz]

yep

[fresh spire]

cough sos cough

[boreal quartz]

[smoky kayak]

Yeah Storm of Swords is terrible for a good reason

good because I'm really glad we don't need it

[boreal quartz]

horrible the old iteration was fun

[halcyon void]

buff slam considerably and rename it heroic strike

[boreal quartz]

new one is just worse EB

[magic canopy]

Reaping strikes was also doo doo

Tides of blood ass talent

[smoky kayak]

That's just cause they ran out of ideas lol

they were bloating the tree with a lot of "add then" talents

which I think is fine for capstones that only path to one more thing, but doesn't feel good in the first two tiers of the talent tree

[flat willow]

buff slam considerably, rename it heroic strike, make it fury only and cost 50 rage and be a half rampage off gcd

[smoky kayak]

fuck no

Heroic Strike is dead, don't zombify it as shadow of its former self

[flat willow]

I miss it every day

[boreal quartz]

i would like to see most of what slayer is changed for next expansion

reap the sworm is not healthy** gameplay

[smoky kayak]

I think Slayer as a concept works fine

Reap is fine; yeah its RNG, but so is fucking everything in modern WoW

[dull siren]

MoP soon back time to make /cast Slam /cast Heroic Strike

rage dumper

[boreal quartz]

mop classic time to aquire ketchup enchant

surely it will carry over to my retail account

[dim basalt]

I hope they dont keep hero talents

[flat willow]

mop classic time to aquire the demon hunter set

[fresh spire]

fob being there helps slayer SD forced case at least

[smoky kayak]

biggest thing for me is that Slayer (both Arms and Fury) need to lean harder into Execute, not just Sudden Death

• change Slayer's Malice from +Raging Blow/Overpower to +Execute damage
• change Death's Drive to Condemn shield
• change Brutal Finish to something less gamey (more of a Fury problem than an Arms one); honestly just removing it and making a better Culling Cyclone the default option would be fine
• fix Juggernaut to reduce the desire to maintain it over the course of an entire encounter

[fresh spire]

i do wish they would give culling the same sort of scaling as cleave in colossus, really make bladestorm chunky aoe again

[woven wasp]

12.0 will save warrior

[shadow ibex]

one of these patches has to

surely

[smoky kayak]

Bladestorm needs major love regardless, yeah - whether they do it via Slayer or baseline is fine by me

[woven wasp]

they could remove the gimmicky thing with culling cyclone and just make it BS damage

but that wouldnt help st

[smoky kayak]

Well the idea is that Bladestorm (should have been) good in multitarget already, while Culling would help it perform in ST; basically the same logic as Unhinged

[tacit crystal]

wtf is fob

[smoky kayak]

but the numbers just aren't right

[woven wasp]

fervor of battle

[boreal quartz]

ww slams main guy if hits 2

[tacit crystal]

hate that shit

[boreal quartz]

formerly without 2 man requirement

[tacit crystal]

zzzp

[boreal quartz]

just killed slam in st

but st slam xdd

[tacit crystal]

xdd

@dull siren hi

[hexed snow]

I would love if Slayer is more Execute related. Just the word itself indicates the action of killing something. Now as a filler button its not so fun :/

[smoky kayak]

Well it's not really "just a filler" for Arms, but for Fury absolutely

[hexed snow]

Yes, sorry, I'm more or a fury player

[smoky kayak]

it's tricky though, they went from balancing two specs (Arms/Fury) to trying to balance four (Slarms, Slurry, Colossus, & Thane)

not to mention the overlap between Colossus & Thane for Protection

[hexed snow]

Wonder why they didn't make one unique hero talent instead of two, with two options per category of talent point

[shadow ibex]

i think in hindsight its gonna be one of those things like covenants where going back it would have been best as a bunch of cosmetic stuff with the power attached to actual trees

[smoky kayak]

I like the gameplay differences when they're actually different

my dream is that Colossus leans hard into Mortal Strike and Battlelord, while Slayer leans hard into Execute & (a better) Juggernaut

[boreal quartz]

prepatch ms tuning jumpscare

[smoky kayak]

not only does that create gameplay diversity, it gives you options in situations where maybe Execute isn't super relevant on this boss cause it dies at 40% (j/k they'd never make an end boss like that...)

[boreal quartz]

i love season 1 tierset -> class nerf

[dim basalt]

indeed a dream

Think most would love that

[smoky kayak]

we've gotten really close a few times

but you also gotta keep it balanced, cause Slayer leaning into Jugg and Col leaning into BLord doesn't matter if one of them is 10% ahead of the other lol

[dim basalt]

Tho I dont mind Demolish for colossus as a replacement for "bigger" ms

[smoky kayak]

it'll never be perfectly balanced, that's a pipe dream, but 2-5% is acceptable enough imo

[last inlet]

[dim basalt]

All Im hoping for is a slayer specific nerf, if they nerf us again

[smoky kayak]

keeping in mind those are sim conditions that are never quite as perfect in reality

[dim basalt]

But I would a rgue that our numbers are fine as they are

Less utility, more deeps

😎

It will defo be fun to test both hero talents in certain fights and see whats better

Now that the ST is somewhat close

[smoky kayak]

I think you could make a good argument for Colossus on the first two bosses, but the rest will probably be Slayer

[dim basalt]

Rik could be a colossus fight

I could also see bandit being in favor for colossus

[smoky kayak]

Rik/Stix could go either way if you're able to hard lean into multitarget, but I think it's more likely that other people in your group murderize the adds before you get a chance to do much

[dim basalt]

Just to get rid of adds asap

Stix will just be Slayer Im sure

[smoky kayak]

Yeah maybe, but I also think that funneling Execute off adds could be really nice for Slayer

[dim basalt]

Fair point

[smoky kayak]

idk I think that's the fight I have the least certainty on, aside from Gallywix still being an unknown ofc

[dim basalt]

Will have to wait and see how timers work out for both hero talents

[teal fossil]

yeah I’m very happy with the exec nerf

Ppl aren’t seeing the big picture here

[smoky kayak]

reducing Execute specifically was the best nerf we could have hoped for tbh

[teal fossil]

100%

If you drop the execute nerf within the context of all other buffs

It’s great

People are just looking at it in isolation

[dim basalt]

Nerfing MS would have been ridiculous

[teal fossil]

And yeah this

[smoky kayak]

idk about ridiculous, they did buff the hell out of it

-5% wouldn't have hurt much

[dim basalt]

Yes but thats exactly what we want

[teal fossil]

EB and Battlelord are cool talents that isn’t playable

Because of execute

[smoky kayak]

the important part isn't how much raw damage abilities do, it's how they're tuned relative to one another
e.g. 11.0 Execute being so strong you almost never pess MS is obviously bad

on the other hand, MS being (hypothetically) twice as strong as Execute would obviously be bad too

[teal fossil]

Yep yep

Ppl don’t understand how much damage a spell does in isolation doesn’t matter at all

Since you can always aura the spec

But you can’t aura the relative damage between spells

[smoky kayak]

you hear people all the time saying stuff like "idc big number better" like... ok, sure your idea of fun is seeing a 19 digit number on your screen

[latent moss]

wdym we play eb

[smoky kayak]

but that means dick all in context, those individual numbers are arbitrary

tbf we also play BL in multitarget Colossus now, which is really nice

ST Colossus is still barely favoring Jugg, but we aren't actually playing ST Colossus anywhere either so

[dim basalt]

We are 5 melee dps and 12 ranged dps next season

We were struggling with having more melees than ranged in S1

Sucked hard for court

[latent moss]

if blord had value in exe

hoooly

tbf it does have value but slightly

[smoky kayak]

Yeah, it doesn't need explicit value if Mortal Strike itself is good enough

[teal fossil]

Yeah the 10 rage

[smoky kayak]

Colossus as a whole just has to favor MS more than it does Execute to the point that BL overtakes Jugg, and again it is really close right now

[latent moss]

buff ms some more chatting

[smoky kayak]

despite some issues (Bladestorm/Ravager), I think Blizz did a pretty good job with the overall state of tuning this patch

just in terms of where talent builds landed

[dim basalt]

Agree

[teal fossil]

Is fatality played Neo

Now

[smoky kayak]

the Colossus M+ build feels great, I like that Finishing Blows and Battlelord both have some value

[teal fossil]

Is it actually interacting with every buff now

[smoky kayak]

it is, but it's not a prime talent atm no

[fallen oar]

There is a new tierlist from Petko. You guys agree with him? Arms A tier and Fury B tier (for M+)

[latent moss]

colo in m+ feels good i agree

the only part i dislike is colossal might falling off

[steep osprey]

I think Culling Cyclone should be changed to boost BS in AoE

Unhinged already does the job for ST

or just a % buff for BS

[teal fossil]

Yeah don’t like how culling cyclone is just worthless now