arms

[quaint otter]

Struggle

[full widget]

We are only good in execute 😔

[quaint otter]

How the...

[shrewd niche]

im just happy to play both

[minor gust]

if they have to ask then the information wont matter to them anyways 🤷‍♂️

[rotund mist]

Not really, quite often hard to get an objective view on this discord

[rotund mist]

Case in point with comments like that

[minor gust]

almost like life not everything is black and white and more thinking is required

[charred brook]

Me when I meme that week 0 was fun but they actually nerf me anyways

[lean geode]

I feel like the only take I've seen in the last 2-3 weeks is "both specs good, which is better will depend on the specific fight/dungeon/your skill and preference"

Also that we'll be nerfed

Which we did

[quaint otter]

Just play ench ffs

[wooden lava]

@charred brook real shit

[minor gust]

when we say shit like both are good that means theres no clear answer and both specs have their strength and weakness

[lean geode]

Honestly I'm on that havoc type shit ever since learning that they de-cringed momentum

[quaint otter]

I dunno haven't played anime class at all

[lean geode]

Pretty fun imo

Still warrior main tho ofc

[minor gust]

glad your trying havoc out shit is so much fucking fun right now

the most fun melee spec out there

[quaint otter]

I better stick to ww with its new jedai power

(arms owns)

[minor gust]

how long is the cast btw for WW I heard our WW complaining about it during raid now that lightning is bis

[quaint otter]

1 second

[wooden lava]

what'd they do

[minor gust]

oh thats not bad at all

[quaint otter]

I mean

[lean geode]

momentum and unbound chaos are tied to VR/felblade now so you don't have to fel rush all around anymore

[quaint otter]

Ure more likely to get fucked by wdp than lightning

[lean geode]

I think you still can in aoe

[minor gust]

technically unbound chaos is still tied to felrush

[quaint otter]

Also million bugs still present

[minor gust]

and if u run that talent you would felrush in aoe

[lean geode]

Sorry not unbound

[quaint otter]

I have conduit canceled 4 times in a dungeon run

[wooden lava]

wow that seems like a simple change that should've been implemented long ago

[lean geode]

The one above momentum

Wait that one was always just VR

I'm cooked idk

But it's good now

[minor gust]

its the choice node with momentum

intertia

[wooden lava]

good to hear melee are actually up

were any melee besides enhance good last season?

[lean geode]

Also VR resets felblade so you can always VR->felblade and never have to worry about shit

And VR being off gcd is very nice

[minor gust]

either way momentum and inertia are now tied to only hunt and VR which is great and unbound chaos is not apart of immo aura

[quaint otter]

Damn i was hyped for arms but it got super clunky after patch

[wooden lava]

this patch or during seaosn1?

[quaint otter]

This

[wooden lava]

oh yeah

colossus will give u big dam, no doubts

but my god is it a boring as fuck spec

[quaint otter]

No execute stacks and sweeping ravager fixed

Toned down opener by far

[wooden lava]

when was the ravager sweep fix implemented, i thought that was done long ago

[quaint otter]

Not the damage

[wooden lava]

or was that only for bladestorm unhinged

[minor gust]

it was a bug that was fixed this patch

[wooden lava]

OH

THE STACKS?

[minor gust]

you got 2 stacks of CM as if you swept the unhinged MS

even tho u cant

[quaint otter]

There was a feature for faster demo stacks

[wooden lava]

I was wondering why Critcake's demolish was stacking so insanely fast during his opener

[quaint otter]

4 akshuly

[wooden lava]

wdym by no execute stacks

[minor gust]

https://tenor.com/view/evaporate-emoji-garctic-phone-gif-12745214408129677007

[quaint otter]

U used to get demo stacks when press execute

Now u dont

[wooden lava]

bro I will never for the life of me understand

why a spec based around bladestorm and AoE hits

is the premiere single target spec for warrior

and the one based around building up and sending a single target nuke

is our fucking AoE spec

[quaint otter]

Becuz bs does negative damage aoe

[wooden lava]

did u guys see Revvez' arms guide on maxroll?

he's literally opting out of capstone talents for TR

[quaint otter]

Demolish is a big aoe hit

Yeah tr is so good

And its capstones are even better

[wooden lava]

he just took the passive 2/2 talent for crit

[quaint otter]

Based

[minor gust]

weve known this for almost a month now

[silk spade]

yeah like every other guide

[wooden lava]

I haven't

[minor gust]

ever since they buffed the fuck out of our core abillities

[wicked condor]

Do you also feel arms is crazy scaling right now? Secret m+ champ until nerfed?

[minor gust]

TR talents fell off

[wooden lava]

makes sense, but man

[quaint otter]

Secret m+ champ is feral

[minor gust]

Banned for saying the S word

[quaint otter]

Feral even being isn't fucking bad this season

Just weird to play

[wooden lava]

I've been playing WW and SPriest the past few weeks, they feel so much more fun comparatively

[quaint otter]

Yeah ww also got nuts numbers now

[wooden lava]

even the FOF mechanic is like a better version of demolish

[quaint otter]

Not compared to ench but still

[wicked condor]

Well, i played 5dps in m12-13s now with 625ish gear (alts) and most wtf feels i have with arms

[wooden lava]

I heard both druid dps specs is owning

[quaint otter]

Yes

[wicked condor]

Its crazy blasting

[quaint otter]

Its dopamine when u drop big hits yes

[minor gust]

has nothing to do with scaling and everything to do with buffs

[quaint otter]

Also weird how i pull same numbers as before

[wicked condor]

I dont look at dps numbers, just end of dungeon

[quaint otter]

St got better tho

[wooden lava]

Why does the simcraft spreadsheet say our tier set is one of the weakest gains?

[quaint otter]

🤖 smart

[grand idol]

Smaller nerf than I was expecting.

(I just got home)

[wooden lava]

There's no way going from 0p to 4p is only like a total of 8.31% gain

I was sitting on the dummy on ST and playing with it with the purpose of extending 4p effect, it was insane

[quaint otter]

Wasnt it old 4p vs new?

[wooden lava]

the current one

wdym old, did something change?

[quaint otter]

I mean season 1

Vs season 2

[wooden lava]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/14Us4SYeq2fr3sG-iv1ADOORaO5NZqXFhQdt7UJzpfro/htmlview?gid=1912032410#

[quaint otter]

Meh

Ww gets 5

Better than current 1%

[wooden lava]

ur looking at 2p to 4p

look at 0 to 4

[grand idol]

I would assume thats everything being equal putting on 4 pc of the new tier is 8% better than not wearing it at the same ilvl.

I would imagine its considerably better if you use 639 current tier.

[quaint otter]

[wooden lava]

all I know is, I'm gonna go get my M+ rating, 1600 pvp rating, and AOTC

and not expect to get raid drops

[quaint otter]

Sheesh

Only raid trinkets this season ig

[wooden lava]

don't forget BIS

bloodbath on that boss

[heavy wren]

is this one post nerf?

[silk spade]

no

[lean geode]

It's post 5% nerf from earlier

Not from today's nerf

Or circlet change

As far as warrior is concerned at least

[wooden lava]

3.7% it and the new number is what it should reflect

[lean geode]

No idea about other classes

But Izen is a known misinformation spreader, and PTR sims are even less reliable than normal sims, and normal sims are only at best a moderately good predictor of performance in practice

[wooden lava]

Probably a good attitude to have in regards to these sims

both specs are in a good space, all the resources have been posted

go hit the dummies and prep for tuesday

the maxroll guide is especially good from revvez for raid

[lean geode]

Revvez maxroll guide very good

Wowhead guide also good

[wooden lava]

the depth isn't as crazy as what Archi would write up for fury, but things like CD timings being accounted for are massive

my only gripe is we won't see any dps gameplay from either of the Echo warriors until late in the week

they're gonna be stuck on heroic tank duty

[lean geode]

If only another guild had dps warriors that would be playing on tuesday

[thick kelp]

(they will also be on tank duty)

[lean geode]

We pray

[wooden lava]

I hope boomie comes back

because Riku doesn't stream

EVER

I don't think Caro for ID streams

I think Illhitu for PC might stream

[knotty marsh]

For arms warrior on this next seaseon in M+, im clearly not going to be getting a 678 Best in slots if im not mythic raiding, so would taking the dawnthreads still be the play over the weapon embelishment? as a 678 normal weapon would outperform the heroic Best in slots

[noble path]

What got nerfed and how bad is the nerf for arms? or fury?

[minor gust]

https://discord.com/channels/148872210742771712/1234949058121171069

[silk spade]

very important ui preparation for next patch

@dull siren

[weak rain]

Isn't furry better on st now?

[thick kelp]

Now they are basically even in ST

[minor gust]

Fury is also playing AM so any downtime is a get fucked scenario

[tall wedge]

wich one is better now arms or fury in single target?

[sharp wyvern]

Its gonna depend on the fight

Also if its true that execute is important arms still wins

[tall wedge]

in raid i think arms is still better right?

[minor gust]

well find out when the raid releases 🙂

[split cairn]

Arms getting a nerf to execute?

[tall wedge]

yes 15%

[split cairn]

Wow....

That sucks

Fury going to take the lead then?

[tall wedge]

i get confused now

[severe crag]

They are both gonna do well

[split cairn]

Bm hunter got a 10% buff to all abilities and pet damage

[tall wedge]

lol

but i think in raid arms is still better but so little

[split cairn]

I'm kinda happy because I really wasn't enjoying the arms rotation, felt really clunky , fury is nicer

[minor gust]

both are good and both will be played there is no 1 is flat out better than the other

[slow saddle]

Arms dead

Fury was equal st arms looses 15% exe

[minor gust]

Arms is barely behind basically equal

[slow saddle]

So
Last sim we were 80k ahead

Pre nerf. Would mean fury ahead? And fury still looses less st going slight aoe. So id say fury prob top dog now?

[minor gust]

top dog for what

[silk spade]

https://tenor.com/view/smoke-smoking-itsjadeyanh-jadeyanh-gif-15548819300352064460

[minor gust]

the answer isnt black and white and sims arent everything

[slow saddle]

Dead i say

[fresh spire]

Fight wise last few are execute

[slow saddle]

[fresh spire]

Like. Important execute.

[minor gust]

if you wanna play fury man nothing is stopping you

[wanton pumice]

but bigger number better

[minor gust]

[fresh spire]

Arms will still fuck

[slow saddle]

Well is our exe still better than vc?

[thick kelp]

If you need to ask

[fresh spire]

It is

[thick kelp]

you can play whichever spec

[slow saddle]

Shouldda nerfed juggernaut instead

[obsidian atlas]

isnt arms still gonna be one of the best ST/execute specs this tier?

[slow saddle]

yes arms is still strong! Now we just need a collosus buff

[magic canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/redblockcustom-man-no-arms-indian-arms-no-arms-man-standing-gif-17755513251794797743

[minor gust]

yall are trying to force a black and white answer whats better but thats not a thing this tier both specs are good and have their strength and weakness

[magic canopy]

tbh i can see fury doing better as the tier continues and we get ilvl and the scaling raid buff

but for prog, considering One armed and mugzee with who knows what gallywix will bring im focused on gearing arms for execute

[minor gust]

well know and understand more as the raid plays out through the patch

lets not forget more tuning will happen after RWF

[thick kelp]

Fury will start off strong

but once everyone gets tier

its gg

[tight idol]

the execute change isn't really a big deal for m+ at least

[slow saddle]

1 other q the ring u guys still think it will be insane for prog?

And by that i mean healin setup

[minor gust]

https://discord.com/channels/148872210742771712/1234949058121171069

[slow saddle]

That talks bout dmg?

[tight idol]

if i wanted to craft some 629 pieces this week, i would do 2x dawnthread, but is it bad to put those on pieces other than cloak and bracers? i know cloak and bracers are recommended

[minor gust]

https://tenor.com/view/think-mark-invincible-omniman-bhondamous-gif-22025607

[tight idol]

im talking about using weathered crests

[thick kelp]

Cloack and bracers are pretty safe

[slow saddle]

I hate being blind

[tight idol]

ya just an alt, and i have good cloak and bracers rn

[wanton pumice]

you're not blind

[tight idol]

so trying to min/max a bit

[snow flame]

ayo gimme da at

[wanton pumice]

its just from an older wowhead post

[slow saddle]

Well. I used em after that initial nerf. Still seemd strong?

At least for a guild that cant just add an healer

[wanton pumice]

it was only on the ptr before. wouldnt have gone live until this week

[slow saddle]

Ah.

[wanton pumice]

if you are asking if you would run in now, probably would not be worth it

[slow saddle]

So went from hack. To a real trade off

[weak rain]

arms is deadge, embrace fury

[thick kelp]

[sharp wyvern]

at least fury rotation is fun now

[silk spade]

?

[sharp wyvern]

i dont like RA

[thick kelp]

fury rotation is far from fun

[weak rain]

what changed even in fury rotation, isn't it rampage above all else(because of AM), execute at 3 stacksm rb, bt

[sharp wyvern]

yes

and alot less BT

[weak rain]

it barely changed

[silk spade]

[sharp wyvern]

its noticable and i like it

arms rotation also more fun now

[weak rain]

arms is back into healthy rotation at least

[sharp wyvern]

still needs 6 WAs

[lunar remnant]

I have a feeling nerfs aren’t over, let us get at least a month to pump before gutting us unlike you did S1 lol

[sharp wyvern]

a month ?

mabe 1 week

[lunar remnant]

unlike*

[sharp wyvern]

after RWF is over we get gutted again

and then its fury time

[weak rain]

arms is like 2.8 sim now, why would you even nerf it now xd

[lunar remnant]

oh 1000%

[sharp wyvern]

the only silver lining is that enh got nerfed too

[weak rain]

ww untouched though

[lunar remnant]

I will happily settle for 15%

[sharp wyvern]

leave ww alone

[lunar remnant]

Mages untouched

[weak rain]

why would I ?

[sharp wyvern]

they need god

[untold pewter]

Bro this 15% to execute is super minor, we're chilling

[sharp wyvern]

blizz panicing cause they saw execute phase dmg

[brisk sedge]

arms sims 2.88M and fury 2.93M. arms is dead

[lunar remnant]

Are the google doc sims updated already?

[sharp wyvern]

you better hope you dont get a mechanic which gives you downtime on fury tho

[weak rain]

do we have sims alreadY?

[untold pewter]

[lunar remnant]

Proooofs

[sharp wyvern]

how much does RA sim?

[rustic fern]

in his deranged mind!

[fallen oar]

Looking for a arms warrior guide. Are the guides from IV and wowhead good?

[weak rain]

arms is not 2.88, more like 2.8

[untold pewter]

Wowhead is good idk about IV

[brisk sedge]

it was before execute nerfs

[minor gust]

Written and maintained by the same person

[lunar remnant]

Maxroll warrior guides actually pretty good too imo

[untold pewter]

Fair enough I just don't open IV so I had no idea

[silk spade]

arms is 2.88 after the nerf

[minor gust]

I've always hated how IV was formatted as a guide site so I don't blame you

[weak rain]

Do we have a sim or something for this?

[thick kelp]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/bSeXNLGrB89KJ9qENXkaRM

[minor gust]

We have a whole spreadsheet document with sims

[silk spade]

no, i jsut guessed a random number

[untold pewter]

[brisk sedge]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10g479vXesC382k68gw4akUKeuGUodbDho0yhKK6Eh0w/edit?pli=1&gid=493889490#gid=493889490

[untold pewter]

But more importantly did they revert the animation yet?

[minor gust]

They already confirmed they are gonna continue working on it

[brisk sedge]

ahhh yeah warbreaker's dog water balarine into ghost weapons animation

[weak rain]

It's not updated with exe nerf is it? I thought its updated with ring/eye of kezan nerf

[untold pewter]

Yeye but we've been asking them to revert it on the forum post that got a blizz reply because this thing is shit and delayed

[minor gust]

Dude just dono walled walhe

[silk spade]

it is

[thick kelp]

it should be

if i can read

[minor gust]

Well clearly not enough ppl care so they implemented the new animation anyways.

[untold pewter]

I'd not complain further after they confirmed they were working on it but why the stupid delay

[minor gust]

Shit takes time idk I don't work for Blizz who knows wtf their doing over there

Last I heard it was breast milk stealing and cubicle crawls

[untold pewter]

For sure, that's why we've been asking to be reverted though, so we don't get tortured by this failed piece of work until it's "fixed"

If they have any sort of version control reverting should be simple lmao

[sharp wyvern]

i wish they kept the new animation for CS

now its lame af

[untold pewter]

Well the shield break is nicer

[sharp wyvern]

i want the weapons

[untold pewter]

Ew brother ew

[silk spade]

warbreaker has the weapons

[sharp wyvern]

but not CS

[silk spade]

thank god

[sharp wyvern]

they nerfed it

[weak rain]

So, we were simming 2.95, after that they nerfed eye of kezan and circlet aaaand nerfed execute by 15% and we are at 2.88. Doesn't add up, does it? Execute nerf should drop us 3-4 % alone, circlet is 1.2% and eye of kezan what, 20k loss?

[silk spade]

cause the weapons look like shit

[sharp wyvern]

eye of kezan and circlet also affects fury

[silk spade]

man

[thick kelp]

I dont think you understand

that

[minor gust]

NGL they probably kept the new animation anyways in hopes the uninformed masses would like it or to just hope it grows on people enough to where they don't care

[thick kelp]

cuz they nerfed circlet

the sim profile swapped out of circlet

for a better ring

[untold pewter]

Wouldn't surprise me if this is the case, but we're still bashing that one forum post lmao

[thick kelp]

but the sim number

is pending

confirmation

so just chill abit

i woke up 2h ago

[minor gust]

https://tenor.com/view/you-dropped-this-king-you-dropped-this-queen-you-dropped-this-you-dropped-this-king-meme-you-dropped-this-meme-gif-25206668

[real saddle]

Hi everyone, I didn’t play at all during Season 1, but I’ve just returned for Season 2. I want to continue playing Arms— is this viable? Also, which hero spec should I play M+/Raid? Thank you!

[inland drift]

its quite viable, we just got slapped a nerf, but demolish for m+ and colosus for raid?

[abstract verge]

Yo guys, what big cd macro do you use?

[untold pewter]

Slayer for raid

[thick kelp]

none

[untold pewter]

Colossus for M+

[untold pewter]

I put DR+Ava in the same button to save a button

It doesn't affect it negatively at all

[abstract verge]

Plus pot and trink

[untold pewter]

Plust trinket yeah but I don't do pot

[thick kelp]

bad

you want to ava + cs on same global

and you would roar before CS on opener

[untold pewter]

Fair enough, I do have an additional DR button now

Might as well drop the macro entirely

[abstract verge]

So basically just ava + trink and pot

Ideally

[lunar remnant]

Can’t really macro anything in arms if you play AM

maybe colossal smash / avatar but it kinda restricts your CD uptime

[minor gust]

Surprised how many macro questions have been asked lately. How many other specs are macroing all their shit together

[untold pewter]

It's prob just cuz of the button bloat

[lunar remnant]

Well tbh RA fury you could macro like 3 abilities together

[abstract verge]

Just curious, always nice to check with fellow warriors and maybe learn things i dont know

[candid pecan]

I only macro CS+Avatar, but have a separate bind for warbreaker , and a separate bind for Transmitter trinket

[lunar remnant]

Yeah same I use that macro to open

[minor gust]

Any fury warrior using 1 button macros gets laughed at so idk

[lofty elm]

That’s not true

[lunar remnant]

reck / avatar share 1.5 min cd you could even put roar in there too and it’s fine

[lofty elm]

You could easily get away with Ava reck roar last tier

[lunar remnant]

I did this got 99 parse

[thick kelp]

crazy macro for fury

#showtooltip /cast Recklessness /cast Avatar /cast Charge

[steel furnace]

erm lose cd upotime on charge ☝️ 🤓

[lofty elm]

I used to use Ava reck rampage for ST

[warm ore]

Well thats a weird flex

[untold pewter]

People that laugh at others for using macros are at the top of the hill

[thick kelp]

s3 fury

you could r1

with one button macro

[steel furnace]

top of the hill better

higher equal smarter

[untold pewter]

[silk spade]

dont macro your pot to your cd that's really bad practice

[untold pewter]

Yeah I'd say you should really pick the best spots to pot rather than just send it like that

It's like

Kind of big value

[steel furnace]

you can bind pot to ur cds for certain fights

but something like court i have it seperated

just depends

[lunar remnant]

Auto potion add on macro does it for you

[untold pewter]

Might as well just have it separated all the time and get used to that

[silk spade]

yeah

100%

[steel furnace]

if its seperated im a pot clicker

[minor gust]

Mad cuz not at the top of my cool hill

[daring heron]

find a bind for it

and use it

[steel furnace]

I'll bind it to alt f4

[minor gust]

We have juice boxes and crayons up here

[velvet vessel]

with the execute nerf? fury back on the #1 stop for warrior?

[untold pewter]

Bro just do like alt+1, alt+2, something like that, Alt+q
Quick easy no brainpower required

[weak rain]

ye, arms is dead, fury is go to

[eager sigil]

if you only care about sim number maybe

[untold pewter]

[velvet vessel]

i was more about raid performance

fuck sims

[eager sigil]

raid isnt open

[visual fern]

What if I use 7 buttons macrod

[minor gust]

Well 7 is better than 1 obviously

[untold pewter]

Raid performance = whatever you perform best at will do more damage
Are you a 99% Arms / 80% Fury? Boom, Arms is stronger for you

[velvet vessel]

bad at both

[untold pewter]

Then why does it matter

lmao

[velvet vessel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/866534175727943722.webp?size=48&name=KEKEK

[alpine falcon]

Is it just me or whenever i look on wowhead there’s warrior nerf?wtf is wrong with them?we can’t have 1 good tier bro…

[untold pewter]

We're still good

[steel furnace]

well past couple blue posts have been big warrior buffs

[untold pewter]

Bro people really do panic whenever they read the word "nerf", it's like ptsd

[minor gust]

Yup

[velvet vessel]

dooming goes hard

[alpine falcon]

No i don’t panic, but atleast be should be good on something, like doing damage, our utility is dogshit anyway..

[eager sigil]

utility is a meme

[weak rain]

nah warrior is deeed

[minor gust]

Utility is just M+ people coping for group invites

[alpine falcon]

Then we ask why u can’t get invited to a m+ higher than 10+

[eager sigil]

you dont get invited because your score is low

[minor gust]

Because there's people better than you signing up

[trim lintel]

you have to be 676 ilvl week 1 to get invited

[alpine falcon]

Hahah, no shit sherlock

[trim lintel]

or else u r bricked

[untold pewter]

Brother we're good

[stone marsh]

nerf arms more IMO

[alpine falcon]

We are good, but wait first week on WF raid.

I have a feeling there is more to come.

[untold pewter]

That is what I call panicking

lmao

[lunar remnant]

Alt modifier underrated

[alpine falcon]

It’s called a history of beeing c+ tier

[untold pewter]

For like 1 tier

We were good good 2 tiers ago

It's not set in stone mate

[minor gust]

Warriors never mentally recovered from Nathria it seems

[untold pewter]

THAT

THAT YES

That was a bad tier

The last actually bad bad tier I can remember

[minor gust]

Yeah

Warrior has been a solid class ever sense

[alpine falcon]

xD

[steel furnace]

wdym this was bad tier, warrior not #1

[weak rain]

warrior is bad(bring back nyalotha pls)

[halcyon grove]

legion s1 focsued rage

[dim basalt]

That nerf really was a small slap on the wrist

[eager sigil]

legion s1 was dogshit

[halcyon grove]

EN we were god

[weak rain]

that nerf was massive just because it puts arms behind fury on st kekw

[steel furnace]

cant help but remember the dogshit legendary system from legion

ruins it

[dim basalt]

Arms will still be played in RWF

[eager sigil]

also gambling if tactician procs or not

[steel furnace]

some of the fights look fury advantaged, but i'd guess majority arms

[halcyon grove]

got rings gloves in first few weeks

[minor gust]

Behind on sims. Just watch the fury warrior get a mechanic and nose dive in dmg

[dim basalt]

Most are Arms favored imo

[minor gust]

[steel furnace]

i played hunter in legion, and i got healing while standing still legs, pretty sure i just stopped playing a week later lol

[cloud grotto]

so fellas, is it still slayer in raid with this execute nerf

[weak rain]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/5zuBXcvZ6QmRYXTUELd23P

told you

its even less than 2.8

[brisk sedge]

it is down yeah Walhe is changing it atm. fury is 2.937 we are doomed

[silk spade]

AM sim numbers

https://tenor.com/view/ronaldo-gif-23832997

[cloud gyro]

guys if fury is better than arms 😡 im gonna be really fking angry

[brisk sedge]

i ll have %100 uptime mkay

[weak rain]

start now

[cloud gyro]

this is NOT ok. We have to be the best spec in the game

[minor gust]

Zhai you clearly just don't understand the sim says fury is better so arms is dead

[silk spade]

true

[halcyon valve]

I agree

[brisk sedge]

true

[minor gust]

Sims are 100% a perfect representation of a raid encounter

[brisk sedge]

arms also have AM

[cloud gyro]

how much execute dps did we lose

[brisk sedge]

%15 less what you had before

[cloud gyro]

i mean execute 'phase'

[minor gust]

6%

Deswinds napkin math

[cloud gyro]

sounds about right

[thick kelp]

Like 200k over 3mins

[weak rain]

its over

we are doomed

[velvet vessel]

https://tenor.com/view/dr-doom-doom-death-battle-vs-debate-gif-27228804

[real vault]

so now fury sim over arms ?

[weak rain]

5% better, yea

[tacit mist]

no way fury is 2.937

that number is old

[thick kelp]

Fury sim is kinda oldge

[velvet vessel]

Fury will be lower with ring nerfs

[thick kelp]

its missing kezan tuning + circlet tuning

[visual fern]

Okay but how does kindred spirits fix this

[vale gorge]

Where can i find those sim ?

[sacred zodiac]

Warrior is dead cant believe devs would let warriors be good for 2 picoseconds

[velvet vessel]

Gotta nerf the god class

[sacred zodiac]

Ive already deleted my 16 warriors in solidarity

[quasi torrent]

only 16?

i got 48

[sacred zodiac]

Grrr

[cloud gyro]

guys 15% execute nerf is so fucking huge considering we were already weak -_-

[velvet vessel]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-meme-spongebob-squarepants-patrick-star-patrick-fight-spongebob-fight-gif-17721615

I have 1 warrior fight me

[sacred zodiac]

Have you deleted it in solidarity?

[vale gorge]

Who care about being top, better play a hard spec like Colossus than a nobrain spec like "aim_ bot "retribution

[velvet vessel]

Yes gonna play Aug now

[sharp wyvern]

from a dead spec to a dead spec

[chilly isle]

Did Blizzard murder all hope of playing arms this tier? Or execute still strong enough to pick arms over fury for bosses like Mug'Zee?

[eager sigil]

they are close so whatever you can play better is better

[minor gust]

If you want to play arms play arms

[chilly isle]

Fury is easier so im probably better at that, but i want to play arms without feeling like im screwing my raid

[minor gust]

Your not...

Both are good

[steep osprey]

Dude

What is this

[chilly isle]

Yes but one is better in general

[steep osprey]

Some small nerf and people are acting like you’re gimping your raid

[minor gust]

Not when their this close to each other

[steep osprey]

[chilly isle]

2.9 vs 2.7 isnt that close

[minor gust]

Both arms and fury have their own strength and weaknesses

[icy mulch]

I have 3 warriors.

[minor gust]

Fury sim isn't even updated...

[eager sigil]

yea on the boss where you dont move and dont have adds and just dps

[steep osprey]

Fury sim isn’t updated with kezan and ring nerf

And fury’s sim dps is very dependent on uptime with AM

[chilly isle]

Exactly, they both have their strengths and weaknesses. Arms is better for execute. So what im asking is, Is it still worth playing arms for being stronger in execute on bosses like Mug'Zee

[eager sigil]

spoiler this fight isnt real

[steep osprey]

The sim is lower with RA

[chilly isle]

Or is the added damage in execute simply not worth being weaker overall

[steep osprey]

Should be

Btw I have no idea what bosses look like

But why is this Mugzee boss execute?

[chilly isle]

Because in P1 he swaps mechanics based on what side you are on. Like Kurog. And in P2 he has the mechanics of both sides and enrages if you take too long

Probably going to be a p2 lust angle

[steep osprey]

I see

[chilly isle]

Am i missing something or is moving extra punishing for arms compared to fury?

[dire frost]

if you were already playing warrior through s1 why does balance matter now? just push buttons :D

[dusty depot]

I'm still playing against Patchwerk

[chilly isle]

Because i play at a high enough level where my guild cares about world rankings and im trying to figure out if im going to play arms or fury.

[thick kelp]

Just copy what the top guys do

[minor gust]

Ask again when the raid releases

[dire frost]

if you play at a high enough level ur good enough to make the decision yourself based on your own performance no?

[chilly isle]

I for sure will, but until then i have to get gear and practice and stuff

Not to mention craft embellishment

Always sucks swapping from one spec to the other mid tier

[real vault]

for real need a bis list to play fury and arms

[minor gust]

Embellishments are an insanely small portion of your dmg

[thick kelp]

Not much to practise when both specs still play the same like they did in BFA

[chilly isle]

For now im taking my own performance out of the equation since i feel like can probably play both specs equally after so many years of playing the class.

And i came to the arms part of the warrior discord hoping to get some useful insight. I might have been wrong.

[thick kelp]

and both specs likely want same embellishments

[minor gust]

Literally does not matter what you pick

[thick kelp]

if you really care for WR you would be swapping specs boss by boss

[quasi torrent]

enha has gotten more developement this xpac than warr has since bfa

[thick kelp]

if it mattered

so you would grind gear for both specs anywa

and recraft if necessary

[chilly isle]

If the different strengths of the specs is big enough, for sure

But arms and fury has been pretty homogenous lately

[thick kelp]

If you care for WR, even 1% difference is big enough to swap

👍

[chilly isle]

So it hasnt been an issue

[minor gust]

It's already been said 1000 times in here both are good and both will see play

[chilly isle]

Until now when arms execute was blasting

[quasi torrent]

...it still blasts

it doesnt really matter

arms is still the best execute spec

[chilly isle]

But now execute was nerfed, so again, what im wondering is. Is execute still strong enough that its worth using for execute bosses even if the overall dps is lower

[steep osprey]

Yes

[thick kelp]

who knows yk

[candid pecan]

Im playing arms on every single boss, did the same in Nerub ar Palace. (except for Broodtwister, parasites needed to die )

[thick kelp]

does the damage before p3 matter ?

who knows

[steep osprey]

I’m gonna go with yes but who knows

[chilly isle]

Surely someone does, but im getting the feeling that everyone who doesnt know are the ones responding

[steep osprey]

The raid isn’t out

How are we gonna know

[thick kelp]

People have a general idea of which spec will be better per fight

but no one knows for certain

outside of like the top 5 guilds in WR

[weak rain]

sir, RA still outsims arms

[steep osprey]

Is there a fury cleave fight

[uncut wagon]

RA?

[chilly isle]

Of course no1 knows for certain. But some people theorize about these things.

But i can see now asking here was a mistake. But thank you guys for trying.

[weak rain]

Reckless abandon

[silk spade]

swap to a 1% better spec and play 20% worse poggers

[steep osprey]

[thick kelp]

if WR matters you would play exact same skill on both specs

[steep osprey]

Just play BM

Don’t worry about anything

And top dps

Is there a cleave fight in this raid

[silk spade]

this doesnt apply to most players even at the top end

[steep osprey]

Or just small adds

Dying fast

[sacred zodiac]

Warrior not good enough to justify bringing after the nerf even for battle shout

[steep osprey]

Arms now heals the boss during execute

Not good for the raid

[thick kelp]

Probably not but

this guy was big yapping

about how his guilds WR is important

[silk spade]

i'm yapping too dw

[eager sigil]

he really cares about wr man

[thick kelp]

so he needs to play like revvez

[minor gust]

But guys what spec is gonna be the best on a fight that could be completely different on live than ptr

[chilly isle]

Sigh, i didnt say i care about it. I said my guild cares. As in, we want to improve our ranks compared to last season and are high enough rank where individual performances start to matter.

[steep osprey]

Do you think revvez prefers arms or fury

[chilly isle]

But clearly this discord isnt for warrior talk its for warrior memes

[weak rain]

arms

[silk spade]

le sigh

[minor gust]

Boss mechanic execution matters more

[thick kelp]

he prefers the btter one

[jagged goblet]

I mean if your pulling 99s on Warcraft logs for every fight your spec can matter sure. If not just play what you are best at.

[chilly isle]

And again, lets imagine im capable of doing the boss mechanics on the same level on both specs.

[steep osprey]

Arms execute is in there

So

[thick kelp]

ok whats the WR your guild is starting from and looking to go for

[real vault]

he legit said multiples times if specs are even he will always prio arms

[steep osprey]

Baseg

[chilly isle]

360, looking to get as close to 200 as possible to make a push for hall of fame the season after this one

[thick kelp]

idk i dont stalk him

[gaunt owl]

playing mechanics perfectly is the key

[thick kelp]

but Baseg

[steep osprey]

Susge

[chilly isle]

And completely irrellevant when discussing which of the two specs to play. Since playing fury doesnt immediately turn me into someone who stands in fire.

[thick kelp]

Just pick the spec you are more comfortable with and you are well on your way to doing your best to achieve close to 200

[silk spade]

play whichever youre better at cause theyre basically the same

[thick kelp]

If you would be pushing idk

WR sub 50

[silk spade]

and it wont matter for ranking

[gaunt owl]

i can guarantee 200% you playing Fury or Arms wont matter

[minor gust]

You playing a spec that might do 1% more overall will not change your guilds WR

[gaunt owl]

your guild preparation and CD usage is key

[chilly isle]

Ok, for a moment imagine that i was. Would you be recommending me to gear towards arms or fury?

[steep osprey]

Both

[jagged goblet]

If it is this important literally just gear for both. We also have no idea what balance changes could happen from now until you clear.

[minor gust]

Both

[thick kelp]

I would recommend gearing Fury for earlier bosses but Arms for later bosses

[eager sigil]

he wants to hear if has to play arms or fury for all bosses

[steep osprey]

Why earlier bosses for fury

Walhe

[thick kelp]

As the later bosses appear to have important execute phases wher arms pulls ahead

[real vault]

its impossible to answer tbh, we dont know gallywyx fight

[chilly isle]

If im not mistaken i wont get 4 sparks early enough to gear towards both.

[thick kelp]

whilst earlier bosses are just kinda like a flat line of boss hp

so doing more ST is better

[eager sigil]

why do you need 4 sparks?

[silk spade]

well youre not gonna clear most of the raid fast

[steep osprey]

Yeah if someone just wants to get validated then this is all moot

[silk spade]

literally farm gear for both

[chilly isle]

2x Dawn for arms, 2x Dusk for fury

[minor gust]

The difference between dusk and dawn is like .01%

[silk spade]

cause it doesnt matter

[eager sigil]

jsut recraft

[thick kelp]

You can recraft yknow

[gaunt owl]

for progress versatility is gonna be better

[thick kelp]

He will have 4 sparks by the time he is on one armed bandit

[eager sigil]

true

[thick kelp]

Also its very likely both specs will want ascendance for first craft anyway

so you are better off researching gearing progression

if you are this cluegi deluxe

[minor gust]

Just get Mythic BIS week one

It's easy

[eager sigil]

ill prog for a while so im going for crafted weapon i think

[thick kelp]

the 2x dusk and dawn shit are bis when you are full bis which includes having a mythic ilvl best in slots

or looting a mythic track weapon

[upbeat pelican]

a guildie got mythic sacbrood from the vault this week 😅

[thick kelp]

in general

[steep osprey]

I’m not going into mythic for ages

My guild is heroic prog for a while

Fuck mythic anyway

[weak rain]

first boss drops 2hander in mythic, no?Im gonna get that

[steel furnace]

you want high ilvl weapon first anyways

[steep osprey]

Just loot it

[upbeat pelican]

ezpz

[steep osprey]

Bend down

Touch boss corpse

Click item

[eager sigil]

4 th boss drops weapon

[steep osprey]

Item in bag

[thick kelp]

you are competing vs rets, dks, and tank if they use 2h

[minor gust]

First 2h is arms prio obvi

[chilly isle]

So, if im crafting weapon first in case i dont manage to get a decent weapon in the first two weeks then i still need 4 sparks dont i?

[thick kelp]

no?

you will have a 636 nerub patch

[silk spade]

might be unholy angle too

[chilly isle]

I can recraft the weapon into 2x dusk or dawn?

[eager sigil]

can probably make some pvp crafted piece with some more ilevel

[steep osprey]

Yo what’s this bug I’m hearing with not getting the s2 veteran gear rn

[thick kelp]

nah pvp is stuck at 610 ilvl

[minor gust]

[eager sigil]

unlucky

[thick kelp]

The first 2h in the raid

drops from the 4th boss

[minor gust]

Yeah the 2h axe that looks nothing like a 2h weapon

[thick kelp]

yeah

[silk spade]

yeah you need 4 sparks to switch specs

./s

[thick kelp]

2h axe

[minor gust]

That thing is ugly af

[visual fern]

https://tenor.com/mQmw2BzNq8f.gif

[steep osprey]

Looks good wtf

[steel furnace]

https://tenor.com/view/gears-of-war-yep-marcus-fenix-yup-yes-gif-17966132

[minor gust]

As a 1h weapon you can't convince me that's supposed to be a 2h

[steep osprey]

Good fury weapon for smf cosplay

[eager sigil]

also wtf is with sockets this raid? did they say if the sockets on all items are intentional?

[minor gust]

Trueeeeeee maybe the SMF ppl will finally shut up

[boreal quartz]

ur mog from the side

looks like u need to rethink

[steep osprey]

Is it going to stay uninstalled

[thick kelp]

Rethink

[steep osprey]

Bozo transmog

[boreal quartz]

boot no

rest ok

[minor gust]

Panda hat

[boreal quartz]

bug sword good

@thick kelprate alt tmog

i think i changed it now already tho

[thick kelp]

Very good

[boreal quartz]

cuz the char is arms so its not using polearm

[thick kelp]

whats the weapon mogg

[steep osprey]

I don’t like the old res

[thick kelp]

and enchant

[minor gust]

Blue

[boreal quartz]

hellscream pugsticker

• xmas illusion

winters grasp

its the most obscen eillusion weapon

with like mop elite enchant n stuff

[thick kelp]

gg dont have

[boreal quartz]

remixable

otherwise from MOP

[bleak fog]

So when will Augment Rune peek? 🙂

[boreal quartz]

garrosh heirloom

[silk spade]

man wtf

[hushed pine]

What in the fuck am I looking at

[minor gust]

When raid releases

[boreal quartz]

if ur screen isnt full of illusion ur playing game wrong

[hushed pine]

I'd rather keep my frames above 60

[bleak fog]

Should hit 2xxx or what you think?

[minor gust]

Phil change your name. You're clearly installed

[steep osprey]

Pig sticker makes illusions huge

For some reason

[silk spade]

true

[steep osprey]

Zhai

Are you maining dk

[boreal quartz]

i have 120 full settings on tindral

[boreal quartz]

ok

[steep osprey]

The messiah

[steep osprey]

I don’t think my fps gets to 120 even on mid settings ontindral

Shit pc

[bleak fog]

Find the "one" 😛

[minor gust]

Much better

[silk spade]

nope

dk will be my alt

[boreal quartz]

pc diff unfortunately

[boreal quartz]

can u show the warrior from the front

[steep osprey]

Why do the three clothies have the same transmogs

[boreal quartz]

2 of them are guaranteed not clothie

[steep osprey]

Oh yeah that’s the set from bastion

Nvm

[thick kelp]

monk shaman hunter

susge

[bleak fog]

Leather, mail and mail 😛

[steep osprey]

Is that a belt

What belt is that

[hushed pine]

Sylvanas armor belt

From trading post

[steep osprey]

Right

[boreal quartz]

suprisingly ok with the sylv belt

[bleak fog]

Yeah I find it nice on many mogs, small but still something there and it wont cut your tabard

[steep osprey]

I thought the same

[cloud gyro]

cosplaying nagrand

[boreal quartz]

do you have the snowy tabard

from trading post

[steep osprey]

Those gloves also compliment the set

Can you make a guts transmog in this game

[boreal quartz]

many try

generally looks shit

[steep osprey]

Thought so

[bleak fog]

Nop

[boreal quartz]

un4ch

[steep osprey]

There are some big weapons

But not close to Guts’

[bleak fog]

Name on that one?

Tabard that is

[cloud gyro]

this is what peak physique looks like

[boreal quartz]

W

[boreal quartz]

its called snowy tabard and was on trading post

its a plain white one

of the 1 color ones

[bleak fog]

Ahh ok

[steep osprey]

Based

[silk spade]

cocka

[boreal quartz]

do mythic belt and the crafted gloves he had

pls

[steep osprey]

I love that set

Unpopular?

[steep osprey]

Probably my favorite DF warrior set

Thoughts

[thick kelp]

@boreal quartz

[boreal quartz]

ye

[steep osprey]

I don't like the cloth floating under the belt

of tabards

[thick kelp]

I was thinking with this chainmail tabard looks nice

[boreal quartz]

if ur boring u then go raz axe

i think xannie used smth like that previously

ye that works

[steep osprey]

I still haven't gotten that one

the chainmail tabard

[thick kelp]

cinema

[steep osprey]

sheesh

[boreal quartz]

yepp

[steep osprey]

I do not have that axe

[boreal quartz]

do we have less shit boots

[steep osprey]

whaaaat

those boots own

[boreal quartz]

afk for fated or

[steep osprey]

I don't remember

oh, I didn't raid mythic

in DF

so yeah

[boreal quartz]

fated u could get the appearance for 1 bullion

[steep osprey]

I didn't bother to i guess

F

[thick kelp]

I dont think I have better boots

[boreal quartz]

i think the undermine boots

for like HC

go rlly hard

like hc gloves boots chest + X

can go hard with a bunch

its like castle nathria legs

chest combo

[steep osprey]

YOu can combine DF amirdrassil set with the undermine set

[icy mulch]

Still capped Valorstones with nothing to spend it on >.<

[steep osprey]

red one

right?

Phil

[thick kelp]

Sheeeesh

[steep osprey]

Let me try something

[boreal quartz]

i dont like he amir set

[boreal quartz]

hold u

[steep osprey]

I really do aside from the helm

[boreal quartz]

id keep chest from s1 df

[boreal quartz]

ive only ever used gloves boots for 1 set

on my troll

[thick kelp]

How bad would the hc legs look

[sacred zodiac]

why are you trying to make bald head work

[boreal quartz]

i like it

[icy mulch]

Looks good, minus those shoulders and helm.

[boreal quartz]

its just a lot fatter

which is nice on belf

[minor gust]

Nice toes you got there

[boreal quartz]

helm back pls

[sacred zodiac]

idk go woke and click female blood elf maybe

[thick kelp]

its velf

not belf

[sacred zodiac]

ok why are you picking the whitewashing velf option

[thick kelp]

Cuz I can

[sharp wyvern]

same thing different shade

[sacred zodiac]

woke

[minor gust]

Uhmm ahktually don't you mean Body type 2

[steep osprey]

[sturdy flicker]

Is there anything I should do this week lol

[thick kelp]

no

[sharp wyvern]

cap valorstones

[sturdy flicker]

K I don't feel like playing lol just needed to make sure I'm a hair behind on gear but pretty sure it's very fast fix next week

I'm like 631

[sacred zodiac]

go woke go broke

[thick kelp]

Are u happy now @sacred zodiac

[sacred zodiac]

ye solid

[sharp wyvern]

i have a better monk set

[weak rain]

peak

[thick kelp]

monk

susge

[boreal quartz]

https://www.wowhead.com/dressing-room#fR80z0zJ89c8ze8ND8zg8NG8zv8NZ8zE8Ad8zl8Ah8dM8Myp8zYx8dLh8Mta808dd8Mtb8dr8Mgy8da8Mxj8dk8Mxb8df8MtN8dw8Mgx877wzV0X8cmt87MzVRL8cmt87MqNg808K0N808zmbB8M1u8fW3808zV0Y8cmt8zowe8M1u86ka8MIE87R @thick kelp i had smth like this on my trollermannen

but with the pigsticker

[sharp wyvern]

i hate those tier shoulders

[minor gust]

Wait you can use the brewmaster appearance while dual wielding?

[sharp wyvern]

if your fury and have the trading post monk weapon yes

but only main hand holds it like this

[minor gust]

Oh didn't even know that was on the trading post at some point

[steep osprey]

How do you guarantee you're gonna get 2x Veteran pieces from S2 ilvl?

I heard there was a bug

[sharp wyvern]

the rep ones ?

[steep osprey]

Nah, from the weekly boxes

[icy mulch]

The Loki shoulders.

[scenic umbra]

Guess arms dream is over?

Fury it is?

[sharp wyvern]

[weak rain]

arms is dead

[scenic umbra]

Didnt even make it live

[sharp wyvern]

fury for fights where there is no downtime

[scenic umbra]

Fucking hell

[thick kelp]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1270040420315037727.gif?size=96&quality=lossless

[sharp wyvern]

like always

[scenic umbra]

They just making fun pf us at this point hahahaha

[sharp wyvern]

well week 0

[icy mulch]

Yeah, there really isn't much that actually goes with those shoulders or helmet is there.

[scenic umbra]

Enha gaping everyone by 10% in sims

Whole s1

[boreal quartz]

needs troll thi i think

[scenic umbra]

Warr has a 2% on the second, nerf

[sharp wyvern]

fury is gonna get nerfed next if there are aoe fights

[icy mulch]

It's blizzard, what did you expect?

[sharp wyvern]

at least enh got some nerfs too

[scenic umbra]

Yeah monk is top now

Right?

The are quite high after last tuning

Good for them

[sharp wyvern]

ye finally

[scenic umbra]

Fury looks good as well at least

And chunky

Cant complain

Give us 8 targets

[minor gust]

So does arms

[scenic umbra]

Good to go

[minor gust]

[weak rain]

RA fury outsims arms too, so downtime argument is kinda invalid

[sharp wyvern]

is taht pure ST or with the ww talents ?

[weak rain]

st

[thick kelp]

ra fury sims are without kezans nerf + circlet nerf

[sharp wyvern]

i still think arms is gonna get played if bosses h´have emphasis on execute phase

[glossy tusk]

Im just happy they didnt ruin m+(yet)

[snow flame]

@thick kelp Kush has to be rage baiting

or he's never done a key with arms

[thick kelp]

Yeah

rating it A tier is so troll

[tacit mist]

Ra fury doesnt outsim arms for sure after the nerfs

[last inlet]

wait ppl playing Ra fury?

[hollow plover]

People will be playing RA fury very likely

[last inlet]

even if AM sims better?

[hollow plover]

yea because intermissions and dmg phases exist

[last inlet]

hmmm

makes sense

[hollow plover]

how do u have uptime

[last inlet]

me?

i just hit things fast 😄

[hollow plover]

bruh

[last inlet]

wut

it also helps that i got 20 MS.

[undone prism]

In AOE, once the sweeping strides is over, is there any point in double stacking overpower into a cleave? or just hit cleave off cd no matter what

[cloud gyro]

always double stack

you can use ur last 2 globals in sweeping as overpowers aswell if u wanna prep it

depends on cleave CD lineup

[undone prism]

Thought that might be the case ty for clarifying

[icy mulch]

More dungeons need boss burn phases.

[toxic socket]

soooo as it stands, is it arms for m+ fury for raid?

or is it still arms for both?

[eager sigil]

both will be played in raid

[devout pewter]

Whatever you like more tbh, not even joking. They're quite close again

[onyx rapids]

guys i know this does not mean much but currently my fury is outperforming arms in season 1 mythic+ runs.
Is that normal?!

[hollow plover]

no its not

[thick kelp]

yep its normal arms is dogshit so bad bury arms never spec it again fury op

[hollow plover]

Chatting

[onyx rapids]

hmm gotta do some studying

[hollow plover]

ive played both specs and ive played with warriors playing both specs. All hero talent variations. They perform about equally with different strengths

colossus arms and thane fury perform the best from what ive seen, with fury doing more boss dmg while arms does more aoe on big pulls

[onyx rapids]

maybe its because im more used to fury at the moment. and the fact that pulls were not big

[hollow plover]

did u do 10s

or sum

[onyx rapids]

12s amd 14s

[hollow plover]

you havent seen anyone do giga as arms? in a 12-13-14 level dungeon?

[onyx rapids]

12s on dawnbreaker and 14s on tyrnacythe cant spell sorry

[hollow plover]

just say mists, not tirna scithe

[onyx rapids]

its in a season 1 mythic plus so not really

[onyx rapids]

noted thats much easier lol

[hollow plover]

arms in a scuffed dawn13 with wipes as well. if that isn't solid then idk what is

[onyx rapids]

damn thats is some big numbers

[hollow plover]

i was weirded out by the mob percentage changes in dawn

ngl

[onyx rapids]

thanks for the info bro

it seems gotta do some more studying lol