arms

[hollow plover]

if someone sees warrior being dogshit on 1st boss then they might not take warriors in pugs

type shii

arent u playing fury?

or am i thinking of someone else

[olive nest]

I play both but this tier probably arms mostly since we have two DHs that are good enough to steal the pad

[trail orbit]

i mean there is significant uptime on the 1st boss for straight ST. Think going slayer prob still the play no?

and taking cleave obviously.

[olive nest]

Plus it’s going to feel good being gear optimized for arms when we get to the execute bosses

[hollow plover]

we'll see if colo burst outperforms sustained st dps

time will tell

[hollow plover]

this istrue

[olive nest]

I’m not saying to play Colo just yapping because Colo is cool

[trail orbit]

no no i feel you haha

[spice moss]

do you guys farm one set each for fury and arms or which stats should i choose if i want to play both?

[olive nest]

You can gear for fury and play arms or vice versa with no problem at all

[hollow plover]

depends on what ur going for tbh

[spice moss]

but isnt crit shit for arms?

[hollow plover]

HUH

[spice moss]

fury*

sorry haha

[hollow plover]

crit is alright for fury

obv u want mastery haste more

but like it's ok

[olive nest]

Iirc arms will do better in fury gear
Vs
Fury playing in arms gear

[trail orbit]

i mean you just swap rings/neck and you are fury lol

[olive nest]

Really just equip ilvl and swap a crafted ring/neck depending on spec

It’s pretty chill

[trail orbit]

or you just be a man

and be arms

[hollow plover]

or recraft some crafted gear worst case

[spice moss]

aight thanks

really looking forward to play arms for the first time ever

[olive nest]

Arms owns

[hollow plover]

honestly

arms m+ kinda goated playstyle

i like it

i expected to hate it but its really fun

[trail orbit]

im just trying to debate if i wanna go slayer in dungeons and hate my life or go colo.

not a huge a colo fan

[olive nest]

Wait you mean you enjoy doing giga aoe!?!?

No way!

[hollow plover]

playstyle, you pepega

i like cleaves that feel worth pressing while also potentially resetting itself in aoe

i dont like that tclap is capped to 5 target rends though

kinda pointless

[boreal quartz]

i love sudden death in aoe

I wish there was a feature that made it worth using

they should make that a tierset or so

[trail orbit]

yeah i mean if we were back to bleeds doing a shit ton of dmg id care more about the 5 target clap

[hollow plover]

you play sd?

[boreal quartz]

im just getting at S3 df set

miss that shit

[warped ether]

Hear me out what if tc was on every third ms/cleave

[boreal quartz]

i have not logged into main since december

🫡

[hollow plover]

so like.. a guaranteed reap?

kind of?

[warped ether]

Ye

[hollow plover]

why you here yapping

[boreal quartz]

cuz i like yapping

[warped ether]

Every third is prolly to op but every 4-5th

[hollow plover]

you just dont like using rend spells huh

[boreal quartz]

i really like using rend on st

[spice moss]

is it normal that i feel kinda overwhelmed with all the buttons to press on pull with arms? any tips?

[boreal quartz]

you kinda get used to it

[spice moss]

i hope soo^^

[trail orbit]

pretty normal lol, specially if you are trying to juggling opportunist, sudden deaths, when to MS etc.

[hollow plover]

its normal at first. practice on dummies.

[trail orbit]

all at once

[hollow plover]

once its muscle memory u wont feel overwhelmed

[warped ether]

You could say that

[spice moss]

thanks guys

[trail orbit]

waht specifically are you having trouble with?

[hollow plover]

I mean you have ravager, roar, demolish in colo build, you have to set up rend, you have to find CS and Avatar timing

its kind of a lot of buttons before going into rotation

so i get him

its daunting when u first learn the spec

[spice moss]

i mean you have so many CDs on a short cooldown. In fight you can basically just throw it out but at pull there are some struggles for me

[trail orbit]

so what worked for me when i was learning was just breaking it into segments

dont worry about doing the whole thing.

just build the memory going up to say, CS

or wahtever you feel comfortable w/

and getting good keybinds for them i think is half the battle. you're gonna be hitting them alot as arms.

[spice moss]

yeah i had to improvise to fit all the abilities in

haha

[fathom shoal]

Yep you don't want awkward keybind locations that's forsure

[trail orbit]

haha yea iget that. for me i have all 4-5 cds on shift 1,2,3 etc

and they are just in a line easy to reach

[hollow plover]

good fundamental

[spice moss]

oh nice idea

[hollow plover]

having different modifiers for cooldowns as arms

[spice moss]

i will test that

[hollow plover]

is fucked

[spice moss]

thanks

[trail orbit]

yeah np 🙂

[empty pike]

guys, are these max roll timers for hc or mythic fighting?

[uncut shard]

mythic

[quasi field]

anyone got demolish buff tracker?

[quaint otter]

I do

Need a simple square or progress line?

[quasi field]

just a square but i found one just needed to type in the actual talent not the abbility

ty though

[quaint otter]

Kk

[merry stone]

Just took a quick glance at the new builds - we don’t like Skullsplitter again?

[trail orbit]

not sure if its a mistake but on wowhead for slayer mythic plus has us taking blunt instead of warbreaker?

[dire hinge]

bleeds got backseated a bit

[merry stone]

Gotcha

Makes sense

[dire hinge]

you gain surprisingly little AoE from Warbreaker compared to a significant Single Target gain from taking blunt instruments.
You can take warbreaker if you want though.

Cleave applying Deep Wounds negates the need for Warbreaker a lot too

[trail orbit]

ahh ok perfect

[dire hinge]

but Blunt Instruments give you a big haste window (AoE and ST)

[trail orbit]

yeah

ty sir!

[dire hinge]

of course! good luck out there 🎉

[trail orbit]

sorry so 1 more question haha. i assume we want warbreaker, in colo so that way demo gets the added benefit correct? so warbreaker gains more value in that sense w/ colo

[dire hinge]

yeah, warbreaker is usually taken for colossus

Colossus is a lot burstier, so Warbreaker plays into that

[trail orbit]

gottcha makes sense. demo has been a little wonky for me to use, not getting the full value but ithink its moreso because tanks moving.

[dire hinge]

you can use heroic-leap mid channel to stick on mobs while continuing to channel

it's very goofy, but it works

but yeah, to your point, it's a big flaw of demo imho

[trail orbit]

oh shit thats good tech haha

did not know that

thought it canceled it

[dire hinge]

so jumping cancels it, but leap doesn't because [reasons]

[trail orbit]

lmao bc its a leap not a jump :p

[dire hinge]

checks out

[trail orbit]

haha ty again 🙂

[dire hinge]

of course! This community is usually pretty good about helping if you ever have any more questions

right folks?

[thick hamlet]

any known arms bugs currently?

[dire hinge]

nothing new with the patch off the top of my head, but i could have missed something. Did you experience one?

[thick hamlet]

nothing i've noticed, i'm mainly asking to try to compare with ingame testing

[tall flare]

you can heroic leap during demolish?

[dire hinge]

sure can!

[tall flare]

mind blown

🤣

Thats gonna save me in M+ 💯

[shadow ibex]

With enough speed you can move during it

I have 116% speed stat and can walk during it a bit

[quaint otter]

Left

[tough tangle]

https://tenor.com/view/right-yeah-right-yeah-oh-yeah-ohh-gif-14553729619893238098

[quaint otter]

[last inlet]

demolish locks my action bars for longer in undermine xD

longer than the animation

or maybe its my lag?

idk.

[royal dune]

anyone know why my bladestorm hits like a wet noodle?

thats 5 casts

[torpid jackal]

are you colo?

[royal dune]

slayer

[last inlet]

hes got Slayer strike in there

[torpid jackal]

you're so right lunchmeat

[last inlet]

1 taret?

target*

[royal dune]

ye

[last inlet]

thats probably why.

i don't think BS got alot of straight DMG buffs

[royal dune]

oh nvm on raidbots it also counts ms in bladstorm thats why it shows 76mil

[last inlet]

oh

[fast pond]

noticed demolish lag in undermine as well. goes away in instances but made me think I was going nuts

[last inlet]

yeah was crazy yesterda

almost got me killed on a rare (not the weak rares either)

[eager sigil]

its just lag

[last inlet]

kk good

[eager sigil]

bladestorm also lasts twice as long

[last inlet]

then im not going crazy

xD

[latent moss]

i dont think it got any

they just kinda buffed our rotational spells twice for 20-30%

and now everything thats not rotational sucks damage wise

[shadow ibex]

BS does no damage

Each tick of it is roughly a slam

[eager sigil]

3 mortal strikes are the damage of it

[shadow ibex]

They should be cleave if you sweeping before BS

[chilly isle]

Unhinged being in the game makes it so Bladestorm cant deal dmg

[alpine veldt]

best talents for m+ now?

[trail orbit]

dps faq on the left will get ya everything you need

[alpine veldt]

thanks

[tulip hornet]

a lockbox. that is upgradable, and equippable?

[olive nest]

Damn bro imagine!

This would actually be badass if you could make unhinged cast cleave instead via sweep

[tulip hornet]

shows up in the upgrade window but cant click it

[olive nest]

Did you try unlocking it

[slender snow]

Is it just me, or is this build not working?
It put two points in Overwhelming rage?

[tacit crystal]

are we still doing the cringe shit of ignoring mp stacks instead of slamming

[safe island]

Arms Warrior CD is too difficult to manage

[tacit crystal]

what does that mean

[gaunt owl]

send it

[safe island]

I don't know how to operate it after opening.

[olive nest]

Iirc Krispy mentioned to just send it the other day so I’ve been going with that

[tacit crystal]

zz i hate the idea of sending op at 2 mp

oh well

[shadow ibex]

Shouldn't be possible really

Unless final global resets but I think would only take prio at x2 charges

Like MS OP OP = x2 mp. Fill last global before MS with slam get a tact proc

Only 1 OP charge now I think sim only prio it if it was at 2

[gaunt owl]

yeah you shouldnt happen in the scenario of sending OP at 2 MP

[tacit crystal]

it happen one time last night

[olive nest]

It wouldn’t be possible for that to happen because op can’t proc itself correct?

[gaunt owl]

only rage spending ability can give you more OP

[olive nest]

Right yeah

[gaunt owl]

you then missed a MS somewhere in the mix

[olive nest]

Never miss an Ms cast!

MS big stronk!

[shadow ibex]

Yes you can only possibly have 1 reset there

[olive nest]

Even if it resets from the 3rd global you still would MS next

[trail orbit]

the "proper" play is to have every MS with at least 1 MP yea? but even if you dont have any OP to cast and say MS resets, you are just sending the naked MS because of how strong it is now?

[olive nest]

MS first
If you can’t, OP
If you can’t either, Slam

It’s pretty chill loop really

[trail orbit]

ok yeah thats what ive been doing. and depending on procs and stuff im not delays my MS at all. i try to get my MS with at least 1 MP stack but doesnt always work

i just kinda say F it, ill get it on the next MS

i just dont wanna leave MS off CD

[gaunt owl]

you forgor keep up Rend

[olive nest]

Missing Ms casts is real bad for the overall

[olive nest]

Well yeah tru do the rending when needed

[trail orbit]

yeah thats how ive come to understand everything so ive been just sending it even if like OP is just about to come off CD im not waiting for it. im just sending the MS

[olive nest]

Congrats! You can do arms!

[gaunt owl]

always be casting

[trail orbit]

lmao

im doing it dad!

[olive nest]

[trail orbit]

i wipe my own ass

[gaunt owl]

proud of you

[quaint otter]

sus

[brisk flower]

we dont prio op with opportunist anymore?

[finite ginkgo]

Guys how much do i lose if i Play Arms in Full fury gear?

[tulip hornet]

anyone else got suffix-less shoulders? same item as the ones in the AH, but mine came bop and no secondary stats

[olive nest]

Yes it has priority

[latent moss]

they ruined arms

[olive nest]

No way!!

Please never bring back sitting around waiting for auto attacks

Dogshit gameplay

[chilly isle]

Arms 4 set being 6.5% dps increase does that include the 2.2% from 2 set? Or is it 8.7% in total?

[trail orbit]

nahh i mained arms back when it was a clunky mess this iteration has been a breath of fresh air lol. very glad to be coming back to the spec and it actually has some flow.

[olive nest]

It’d be the 8% total from no 4pc -> new 4pc

[chilly isle]

Aight, sweet

[olive nest]

Well you’re talking Colo?

Colo the sheet says 6% for 4p

[latent moss]

u didn't sit waiting for aa in late sl

[chilly isle]

Ah yea it was Colo

[latent moss]

and spec was way more interesting

actually had to think

[chilly isle]

But i think i understand now, the 4 set does not include the 2 set

[woven wasp]

itll be from 0 to 4

[brisk flower]

over ms?

[latent moss]

hi gerg

[olive nest]

Ahh noted, I miss understood the sheet

[chilly isle]

Then it does include the 2 set

[latent moss]

our tier is weak again

[olive nest]

Yes if you have MS and also an opportunist proc you cast OP followed by MS

[trail orbit]

its weak, but abilities doing more dam is better imo.

[latent moss]

i agree

[trail orbit]

relying your dmg on tier bonus is lame

[latent moss]

always opp op over ms

if u ms over opp op u can lose an opp proc

[latent moss]

depends on the set but yeah even something like s1 df arms tier

which was just more ms exe cleave damage

we were tuned around it (and it was busted)

so in s2 we just fell off

cause we lost it

[olive nest]

Courtesy Warbreaker guys

[trail orbit]

yeah. tier imo should never be a 15% or more gain for classes, if thats the case seems like something is wrong with the base kit.

[glossy tusk]

isnt BM one like 5 billion% gain

[trail orbit]

haha they did tone them down in the latest patch notes when arms/fury got hit.

not sure if it was the tier or base abilities like us tho.

or combo

[glossy tusk]

i think it was like us if i remeber correctly

but they got hit with 8%

[brisk flower]

whats mp

[olive nest]

Martial prowess stacks

When you cast OP it buffs your next MS cast (buff is called Martial Prowess)

[brisk flower]

🤔

[tacit crystal]

the talent is called martial prowess

[olive nest]

Ahh neet

[brisk flower]

kk ty

[olive nest]

Odd that they just call it overpower

[steep osprey]

what do you guys replace for improved SS

liek for silken

[steep osprey]

Yeah it used to be called Overpower but they changed it to Martial Prowess recently so that's why it still hasn'tt been updated there

[shadow ibex]

A bb rank last patch iirc

Or sks

[olive nest]

Probably drop sks ye

That button so bad

I wish it was still the insta pop tbh

I know it had its annoyances like forcing you to re apply bleeds right after it but ehh

Still was cool

[steep osprey]

this is my ST

This is my ST

I don't even have SkS lol

[olive nest]

Poor Bloord

[steep osprey]

so uh

[olive nest]

Since bleeds suck now probably just drop BB for long sweep

[steep osprey]

gg

[lavish crystal]

stupid question, does arms make a different at all if you use a 2h mace/axe/sword versus a polearm? polearm has slower attack speed, wouldnt that mean less rage gen?]

[fathom shoal]

Nope

It's all normalized

[lavish crystal]

okay cool thats what i figured, just never knew for sure

[olive nest]

Big ole hammer is bis

[silk spade]

bb

[agile igloo]

Dam arms gaining 8% from tier set? Is that the highest among all specs?

[trail orbit]

lmao just the opposite.

[agile igloo]

ouch lol

[olive nest]

No we’re quite low actually in comparison

[trail orbit]

not bad at all tho when your abilties hit like a frieght train

[agile igloo]

Idk, so many dam numbers out there.

[agile igloo]

Truuue

[steep osprey]

thanks bb

anyone got a good wa pack

this one sucks

@shadow ibex what WA pack u using?

[shadow ibex]

I just use my own

[trail orbit]

i just swapped to atrocity last night and ngl its pretty good for war

[shadow ibex]

A rend tracker a rage number swing timer

[trail orbit]

it kinda smells for some classes

[shadow ibex]

I just track our buffs and CS rend and ep

[quaint otter]

uwu wa and colo stacks

And hrotmar collateral wa

[minor gust]

Delete the uwu it is no longer required

Purge it from your system

[shadow ibex]

Fuck lethal blows

[minor gust]

Glad we ignoring it now

[dim basalt]

Highest is 23%

[olive nest]

Yeah the whole ignoring MS until 2x LB was ass

Glad that’s gone

[shadow ibex]

Weak aura spec

[quaint otter]

I am cooked.

[olive nest]

Ew spear!!

[minor gust]

3 different conditionals to press 1 fucking button no sir not in my house kaching WA all the way

[quaint otter]

SPEAR INTO DEMOLISH

[shadow ibex]

Just drop ep

[minor gust]

NGL I was thinking of that with how little you press execute in Colossus M+ but there's not really any other talent to grab

Only other option is a point In BB but bleeds fucking suck

[olive nest]

Storm of swords

Ultimate pad

[minor gust]

Nice joke

[quaint otter]

Dreadnought now 58k base

[olive nest]

[quaint otter]

Was 37k pre patch

[dire hinge]

is this the "scaling" thing i keep hearing about

[shadow ibex]

Thats the joke yea. You can drop it but

For what other damage increase?

Cursed trees

[quaint otter]

going to be something else

[minor gust]

Yeah only option is BB or fucking Bloodsurge lmao

Not really good options

[quaint otter]

No its the op 44% buff

[teal fossil]

arms scaled with aura buffs this season

[quaint otter]

[minor gust]

Like every season

[quaint otter]

actually scaled

[olive nest]

Peak scaling

[minor gust]

Dracthtyr 🤮

[olive nest]

Real

[quaint otter]

i ran out for keybinds for spear tho

[minor gust]

Macro into ava and call it a day

[olive nest]

[shadow ibex]

I hate spear and roar

Give me both torments

[quaint otter]

I need to do colo stacks before it

[olive nest]

Spear has always felt like a bad global to me

Idk why

[shadow ibex]

Fuck this shit

[quaint otter]

Was bazooka in sl2

[minor gust]

I didn't say it was a good idea

[olive nest]

I remember sl ye

But I was AA enjoyer

[devout pewter]

Dont we all

[quaint otter]

[shadow ibex]

One day

I'll have banner back

[trail orbit]

spekaing of banners do they have them in ToP?

but as a general hey everyone can use it?

[shadow ibex]

When they reworked banner mid castle I used my free swap to spend half our night of denath prog trying jt

Then swapped back to nf on break

[icy mulch]

I was Nightfae for my Daddy D kill.

[shadow ibex]

I wouldn't be surprised if I was only arms war to do mythic sire pulls with banner

It was only like 10 or so. However long until break

[minor gust]

Banner is good warrior fantasy. It can def return as long as it's not bad gameplay aka the fucking skullbanner they tried giving us in DF beta

[shadow ibex]

Coming back with mop

[icy mulch]

Execute range was massive in that fight, but fury just blasted the shit out of the shades.

[trail orbit]

i mean if anyone wants to know peak warrior just play Mists classic

[icy mulch]

Nah, Cataclysm. Mist was too much jammed into every class.

[gaunt owl]

we should plant the banner into our enemy ass

[minor gust]

The poop clogged

[gaunt owl]

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer-40k-warhammer-space-marine-space-marine-2-space-marines-gif-8191171422399458629

[trail orbit]

mists / legion(tomb specifically) then cata thats my favorite iterations of arms

[minor gust]

But yeah anytime I think of banner I think of that space marine 2 scene

And I need that on my warrior

[shadow ibex]

A banner would be cool but idk

They refuse to give us any flavor

[minor gust]

NGL imagine if your banner turned into your guild banner

[shadow ibex]

And the WB animation was complete wrong direction

[trail orbit]

but we have a new wabreaker animation :p

aww beat me to it haha

[shadow ibex]

If that's the flavor we have I worry because they are completely out of touch

[lunar remnant]

What gives cleave resets in colossus?

[minor gust]

Eb

[shadow ibex]

Enduring blow

[minor gust]

Wrong one schro

[silk spade]

exhilarating blows

[agile igloo]

Dam

[silk spade]

https://tenor.com/view/erm-aksuali-veli-vel-nerd-nerd-emoji-gif-11908435316515627035

[shadow ibex]

The wb change is a complete failure to read the room

[silk spade]

warbringer?

[trail orbit]

warbreaker

[minor gust]

Yeah well see how long it takes them to add the feedback to the game

[shadow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/the-voices-meme-cat-gif-23917781

[silk spade]

[trail orbit]

:p

[silk spade]

u missed the joke too

[trail orbit]

nah i knew the joke

you just go rejoked

loser

[coarse stratus]

Just came over from fury, is the icy veins m+ colossus build any good? You guys got any recommended changes

[minor gust]

They said they know it's bad and is working on it well see if they forget about it or not

[jovial apex]

Critcake approves (I think)

[coarse stratus]

😀

[jovial apex]

But yes I’d say it slaps

[coarse stratus]

Last time I played arms I still had bandages on my bars so it's been pretty crazy learning it now

[boreal quartz]

press bonk

win

[silk spade]

real

[minor gust]

Need me a demolish WA that plays a cartoon bonk on every hit

[boreal quartz]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6TP0abZdRXg

mp4 it

weakaura based on finished spell

easy

[minor gust]

Thanks Phil

[grizzled estuary]

hey guys, looking at IV guide and can you please walk me through this ? (aoe rotation colossus)
"Arms multi-target rotation is extremely dynamic, changing frequently based on the number of targets, what specific buffs are available,"
i dont really understand whats dynamic apart from using MS and execute if SS is on

[quaint otter]

[meager timber]

lol last night I realized how dynamic it really is

[minor gust]

That's the dynamic part priorities change depending on if you have SS or not

[meager timber]

Arms has quite a bit of is this is going on then do this

Or I did this and make this stronger

Like doesn’t ravager make cleave hit bigger but then outside of that you want to mortal strike when you get overpowered stacks at 2

Idk I’m making stuff up I’m trying to figure out as of like three days ago but still like that

[grizzled estuary]

yea but can you explain me what should i be looking at ? maybe im missing or misreading the guides but the piority list looks straightforwards

[steep osprey]

Prot plays pretty much identical to colossus arms lol

Revenge = Cleave, Shield Slam = MS

[minor gust]

Follow the guide don't over think it hit your buttons

[quaint otter]

W?

[daring heron]

thanks @fresh spire for the talents cook on court

[steep osprey]

Yeah I want to know who that warlock is

not being #1 on council

please do tell

[minor gust]

You run spear?

[daring heron]

no

[meager timber]

I would say read the talents you copied and pasted in. Just so you know that doing this buffs that then attack something and look at procs

That’s how I have been doing it

[shadow ibex]

You can't get spear capstone

It might be better than roar still

[meager timber]

I wish I could get intervene 😦

[grizzled estuary]

surely no nerf needed its just a skill issue from other classses not having a pocket krisp

[shadow ibex]

Since dot will end during amp of dmg

[quaint otter]

with the new changes my balls meter(colo stacks) seem to fill so slow

[minor gust]

Of you ran fatality too how much was the hit did u get it in the amp? I ran the same just no fatality

[meager timber]

Is there any feasible way to take intervene?

[daring heron]

16m

[grizzled estuary]

litteraly no MS(outside of SS) if i understand this correctly

[shadow ibex]

Spear might be better than roar if it does more damage in the vulnerable window

[minor gust]

Yeah me and Krispy both thought spear would prob still be better

[meager timber]

Oh yeah there ya go mint berry just always do that and profit

[grizzled estuary]

noo man im trying to understand T.T

[shadow ibex]

You would ms over slam

[meager timber]

So back to my point to understand you would have to read the talents

[grizzled estuary]

so these are kinda of (which i totally get considering how recent it is)

[meager timber]

And understand WHY

Slam should almost never be used

It’s so low prio

It’s I have literally nothing left in the tank

[minor gust]

Did you struggle getting demolish in time for amps too. You can really feel not having Execute on CM when playing col on court

[grizzled estuary]

ofc, but fwiw my understanding of talent is not very consistent with our beloved theorycrafters priority list, so i tend to believe them more, hence totally lost

[daring heron]

no it was pretty natural

[meager timber]

You know what you can do which everyone will flame me for but I do it every time I start a new class

[fresh spire]

[shadow ibex]

Battle lord probably helped

[minor gust]

There was a couple amps my demolish was like 10 seconds behind the usual timings

[meager timber]

Go Download hekili and fight at the dummies for 5 mins and pay attention to what procs and what hekili is tell you to do

[shadow ibex]

Drop bl and a deft

For jugg and crit

[grizzled estuary]

huuu everytime i mastered a class hekili felt wayyy off for me

[shadow ibex]

Maybe

[meager timber]

Then compare to guide

Then I don’t know what to tell ya man I’m trying here lol

[grizzled estuary]

and then i find information in guides that seems to contradict themselves (such as the one originally pasted, that rotation is dynamic) which goes in line with my understand but not with the prio list

[meager timber]

Download a sim and look at what the sim is doing?

[grizzled estuary]

yea i used to do that as well as its another input of theorycrafters

thanks for taking the time to answer mate

[minor gust]

Haven't been paying attention but what's your main confusion right now

Can figure this out

[meager timber]

I mean I’m new to arms as of like 5 days ago so I can’t speak about it too technically 😦

[grizzled estuary]

basically people(and guide) says rotation is dynamic while priority list dynamic part only accounts for SS

so it doesnt sound much dynamic with alot of buff tracking (people here where just discussing the high amount of WA trackers nedded)

[meager timber]

There is one dudes arms specific weak auras that’s great it has three little countdown bars that covers bleed, SS etc

[grizzled estuary]

yea ofc you gotta track rend uptime as well thanks for pointing out

[shadow ibex]

Aoe I don't think is very complicated. I think people tricked themselves into thinking it is with collateral

[minor gust]

Target counts will change prios. Example 3+ targets cleave is gonna be > MS at 2 targets MS > cleave

[shadow ibex]

Literally just keep cleave on cd. You have globals to spend between cleave. Fill them with MS or OP

[minor gust]

You also gotta keep track where your MP buff is going you dont want to hit MS with an MP stack when your in aoe

[grizzled estuary]

thats basically what im doing atm thanks, but i was wondering if misplaying as i noticed the cleave/ms buff thus possibly throwing too much MS on 2+ targets

[shadow ibex]

That's gonna happen anyway

Unhinged

[minor gust]

Unhinged and in CDs is different

Outside during normal priority you can control it

[shadow ibex]

Every other WB will have ravager

[dim basalt]

Imagine if Unhinged was a choice node with a cleave alternative

[grizzled estuary]

so if i understand correctly we still in debate whether or not sending MS at 3+ targets (after cleave ofc)

[shadow ibex]

Like at 15% a stack I don't worry about consuming op stacks. I rather send ms and get cdr

[minor gust]

At 3+ targets it depends what your talented into. SOA or DN. If your talented into DN your gonna wanna OP after cleave if talented into SOA you MS

[shadow ibex]

Mp got nerfed so I care even less about consuming it with ms or cleave

[dim basalt]

Even with higher target counts using op for MS could be better if its an important prio target

Pure dps is not everything

[grizzled estuary]

yea this ofc i have in mind as well, tyvm all you rock

[minor gust]

I play with SOA so I'm spamming cleave MS in aoe

Give me that prio and cdr

[shadow ibex]

I play dn but still ms cuz I want cdr

[minor gust]

Your better off swapping to SOA then if your prio like that

[shadow ibex]

With 2pc might change. Lots of op damage with that and colossus stacks

[minor gust]

With EB you can go awhile with not pressing OP

[grizzled estuary]

whats MP though pls

[silk spade]

i would assume you op between resets with s2 tier

like more than you already do

[minor gust]

I'll probably swap to DN and have more OP prio when I get tier

[minor gust]

Martial P something it's a talent

[grizzled estuary]

thanks

[minor gust]

Makes op buff your next cleave or MS

[dim basalt]

Are we even going to wear 2p-2p if we have the chance

[minor gust]

No clue but that's just a sim question.

[dim basalt]

I feel like if anything its gonna be really close

[grizzled estuary]

yup martial prowess found it tyvm, now i gotta figure EB

[slow saddle]

Enduring blows

[grizzled estuary]

exhilarating, just stumbled across thanks, make ez names pls blizzard

[slow saddle]

Ah ye enduring was sl wasnt it

[minor gust]

Yes

The better blows

[shadow ibex]

Is our 2pc still gonna get removed by OP randomly for no buff

When we only have 2pc

[slow saddle]

Ofc?

[minor gust]

I would complain but its pretty easy to get 4pc week one at latest start of week 2 so not a big deal

[slow saddle]

Ye prob

Also just keep old tier

[shadow ibex]

Old tier sucks

[grizzled estuary]

am i the only one to dislike tiersets? find it boring af and adding barely nothing

[shadow ibex]

They are hit and miss to me. For every df s1 we have df s2 or tww s1

[minor gust]

Tier sets are good for the game even when they don't take 10/10 ones and put them into talents cough cough season 3 DF

[olive nest]

Make my SD cast giga TC already

[shadow ibex]

Im neutral to them.

[minor gust]

We have a whole fucking hero tree dedicated to SD and the DF season 3 tier set isn't in there

[shadow ibex]

I don't think tier sets are good or bad but I think each class getting a unique armor look each tier is good for the game

[minor gust]

What a scam

[grizzled estuary]

i mean i'd rather be allowed to equip some vanilla pieces and grind my gear as it comes than stalling for last tier pieces due to tiersets

[shadow ibex]

Whether or not that set has tier bonus is whatever but getting unique cosmetic each tier is important

[grizzled estuary]

i find it frustrating, later in tier it doesnt matter for sure

like right now im simming higher with chests and gloves 594 over 619 explorers

[teal fossil]

i think tier sets are good to shake up the talent tree a bit without a complete redesign

seems like a bug

[shadow ibex]

If that's what they are supposed to do they never have.

I don't think any tier has changed us since DF?

[minor gust]

Even if that's never really happened for arms

Cuz there's nothing to shake up for arms

We don't really have different builds in the arms tree

[shadow ibex]

Yea all our tier has been damage on ms or exe

[minor gust]

Just different options

[shadow ibex]

Anyone home

How much is iftk tom dif

[teal fossil]

yeah thats the design

[minor gust]

Can check for you in like 5-10 making lunch right now

[teal fossil]

it just never happened for arms

very cringe

did it for fury and i know it changed for a couple classes

in fact fury got talent changes in S3 SL and S3 DF

while arms just had the same shit

and if you were palying a good spec

it changes

[shadow ibex]

We've played mostly the same since df launch

[minor gust]

Yeah they had to change shit to make the season 3 tier set work and no be absolute cringe gameplay

[somber geyser]

Do buffs like Juggernaut pandemic when you refresh them?

[shadow ibex]

Nah they go to max duration

[somber geyser]

okey doke thanks

[shadow ibex]

Sweeping is added if you have blademaster + use sweeping

It will combine them

[somber geyser]

blademaster? sorry I'm just learning the spec and setting up WAs

[minor gust]

choice node talent below avatar

[somber geyser]

oh got it, thanks

[shadow ibex]

Let me have both

[untold pewter]

Wait mine has those

[minor gust]

@shadow ibex using ptr gear so numbers arent 100% accurate but I assume the % diff would still be close iftk is 1.6% ahead of TOM

[untold pewter]

CS, Rend, and SS

[shadow ibex]

Ur gear not bis list

[minor gust]

you want live right now iftk vs Tom?

without new tier set?

[shadow ibex]

Yes

[minor gust]

ohhhh ok ill check assume u wanted new tier set

[visual folio]

why sweeping strikes before ravager?

aoe "opener" on wowhead

[shadow ibex]

Get it on cd and use bug to build lots of demo stack

[minor gust]

Iftk is 3.4% better than tom on live

[shadow ibex]

Ded

[visual folio]

what is the bug ?

[dim basalt]

MS from unhinged giving stacks

[quaint otter]

doesnt work now i guess

takes me ages to get stacks

[visual folio]

ah so the mortal strikes from bladestorm also works with ravager ?

[shadow ibex]

Can test it fast just ravager next to dummy

[visual folio]

didn't knew about that ,makes sense

[dim basalt]

Damage part doesnt work with SS tho

Just the stacks doing their thing

[visual folio]

Last i played this spec was bfa s1, all i remember is pressing ss after bladestorm

[visual folio]

i see

[shadow ibex]

Tbh they should just sweep to give BS some aoe no matter how small

[rose matrix]

Is execute above overpower in priority during sweeping strikes?

[dim basalt]

Or even better, remove BS

[shadow ibex]

I was thinking how do you make bs stronger for slayer only

I guess make overwhelmed better

Imminent demise adding a dmg modifier as well

[dire hinge]

just make one of the talents have bs do more damage on the slayer tree

it's all made up

none of this is real

[minor gust]

[shadow ibex]

I feel that way about a lot of stuff

Like why can't we be blademasters

[visual folio]

only time I would overcap executioner precisioner is to not waste a sd proc, or 3 mfe, or jugg falling off, correct? the way I'm reading this prio list seems that its mostly just not over capping these buffs/debuffs

[minor gust]

bring back double bladestorm Slayer! Forever Spin no play game!

[shadow ibex]

Jugg won't be in danger of falling off in exe

[visual folio]

easier to think about it in terms of not overcapping/munching, for me at least

[visual folio]

yeah, just thinking in a general way

[shadow ibex]

Overcapping EP would be sub 35 only unless u got INSANE SD proc

[dim basalt]

Depends on the target count ig

If you ask with M+ in mind

[shadow ibex]

And then it's just a rage thing. It's gonna be MS exe exe X MS sub 35. If ur already exe twice and still above 85 u exe again

[visual folio]

3 exec in a row even with MS up after the 2nd one?

[shadow ibex]

MS won't be up until after 3rd global

[silk spade]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1042762634539319366/1053485451668901988/20221217_013459.gif

[shadow ibex]

3 global cds between MS

Unless EB roc

[visual folio]

probably a opportunists proc is up during that

[minor gust]

unless u get an EB proc

[silk spade]

exe exe op ms goes hard

[shadow ibex]

Yes and opportunist would take prio but if u have above 85 iirc exe takes prio

[visual folio]

at least on the dummy it felt like every other gcd had a opportunists proc

[shadow ibex]

That's when you would overcap on EP

Yes it's frequent

Even with no deft 2/2

[visual folio]

what is a EB?

[minor gust]

I miss the perfect flow of DF execute rotation exe exe exe/op ms everytime. dont gotta react to things like opportunist just your rage

Exhilarting blows

[visual folio]

ms reset? dont think I was talented into that 🤔

will check later

[minor gust]

if you are using the updated builds for 11.1 then you will be in both ST and M+ builds

[visual folio]

yeah I was using slayer st but legit don't remember a single reset

maybe im making it up

or I was just not paying attention to ms button when trying to understand the buffs/debufds

gonna make a slot machine weak aura for when that procs, always bis

[dim basalt]

Are we actually gonna send MS MS with a reset?

That sounds dumb

Without an opp proc ofc

[rose matrix]

Yeah I am asking about AoE. Like 5+ targets

[shadow ibex]

I was playing colossus on ptr like SL execute only using it above 85 prio MS and OP with BL and EB felt like sanctum almost

[dim basalt]

Then no, you want OP to buff Cleave

[minor gust]

yeah colossus exe phase treats exe like slam

which ngl im fine with it

gives more difference between colossus and slayer

[shadow ibex]

I do as colossus ngl lol

[dim basalt]

Maybe it actually feels better now since MS doesnt hit like a noodle

[minor gust]

you talking about slayer exe phase yeah? you will send MS if your at 2 stacks of EP and MS is up due to an EB proc

[dim basalt]

Outside of exe phase

[minor gust]

oh MS vs opp?

[dim basalt]

ye

[minor gust]

Opp > MS yeah

[shadow ibex]

Opp over MS

[dim basalt]

I know, I was specifically asking about no opp

Sorry lol

[minor gust]

no opp = MS > OP

[dim basalt]

I guess I could have answered that myself

[shadow ibex]

No opp keep MS on cd for sure

[dim basalt]

Just sounds kinda weird dunno

[shadow ibex]

No opp means ur colossus probably

[minor gust]

thats primarily why a lot of ppl dislike opportunist

because of what it does to MS prio

your brain is hard wired always to hit MS

[shadow ibex]

They also did say buffing MS because arms should want to be excited to press it

But they buff OP and opp too

[minor gust]

[dim basalt]

Where DN buffs 😦

[shadow ibex]

Not saying they shouldn't but their own words were yall should be keeping ms on cd

Tbh opp is just 1 talent tho it's OK if it changes stuff. I don't mind it above exe but sub 35 with tons of resets it can probably be unintuitve

I'm like 99% sure it drops in prio sub 35 if/when you get x2 MP tho

[dim basalt]

x2 MP in exe phase?

Thats like a lust only thing no?

[somber geyser]

I'm lookin at this and it's giving me a lot of questions

Such as... how early is too early to refresh juggernaut?

[minor gust]

3-4 seconds

[somber geyser]

If it's like 5 seconds left on juggernaut, and I only have ONE stack of sudden death, should I just send the execute?

if my SD is about to expire

[minor gust]

send when jugg is at 3-4 seconds

[dim basalt]

Should be at most the 2nd last gcd before it runs out

Because bosses love to parry

[eager sigil]

get the wa

it goes ding and you click it

[somber geyser]

theres an execute WA?

[minor gust]

if SD is about to expire you prio that over jugg dont let anything drop

[eager sigil]

i cant link it rn

but im sure someone got it

[somber geyser]

lmao I've just been slapping a bunch of conditions onto the afenar one

[minor gust]

https://wago.io/9n9GqeQ6-

if u want it

[dim basalt]

Whatever works for you is best

[somber geyser]

ill try this out

[dire copper]

I just made my WA have juggernaut glow when <5 seconds; between SD and MfE it's almost impossible to not have one going

[minor gust]

it will make a Kaching sound whenever you should press exe

[somber geyser]

dear god

ill make that into a glow probably

lol this is kinda funny tho

[dim basalt]

I knew someone would make a WA for this https://wago.io/8jm9sy6MZ

[silk spade]

holy

bis

[dim basalt]

ikr?

[shadow ibex]

i need a minimap near my car

or a gps system

[minor gust]

Please

[shadow ibex]

so i can plan turns

[silk spade]

sounds easy to do

[low shore]

this season our stats are crit versa or crit hase ? https://bloodmallet.com/chart/warrior/arms/secondary_distributions/castingpatchwerk in bloodmallet versa is 6x higher than the other stats

[dim basalt]

Never trust bloodmallet is rule #1

Never trust archon.gg is rule #2

[silk spade]

that is very wrong

[minor gust]

also just let the damn robot think about stats for you

[dire copper]

if you look at the character build, bloodmallet is borked from the talent rework. it's skipping entire talent tiers and taking capstones before taking prerequisites

[minor gust]

any thought about stats you may have shall goto the robot

[dire copper]

it also...isn't taking hero talents? lmao

[shadow ibex]

a tiny little map appearing near the car would be perfect

[gilded kraken]

currently in col m+spec during execute phase do we only ms with 2 stacks of ep or do we just send it off cd

[inland drift]

what gud builds for m+ is everyone running/

[strange perch]

shift + M

[visual folio]

do you save martial prowess for cleave on aoe? lets say cleave is on cd but i have 2 stacks of it, do i send MS with SS if there are like 5 targets?

[latent moss]

2 gcds

anything lower than 2 gcds its top prio

buff.juggernaut.remains<=gcd*2

[shadow ibex]

m nel did irreversible dmg to that

[somber geyser]

thanks

[eager sigil]

did they change count in dawnbreaker?

[minor gust]

MS on CD treat execute like slam

[random ibex]

are the new talents build reliant on having tier? or can they be optimal without

[rare kite]

Tier changes nothing talent wise

[random ibex]

so were free from sks?

[rare kite]

Yes

[hearty imp]

Why don't the import links in dps-faq work?

Just sets it to this.

[shadow ibex]

they are old probably

[rare kite]

I think dps faq is outdated. Copy from wowhead instead

[hearty imp]

Thanks

[inland drift]

slayer or colossus for m+?

[olive nest]

Colo

[inland drift]

copy

form icyveins build?

[quaint otter]

path of the warrior play without talents

only raw strength

[willow quarry]

Hi . which cartel shall i choose as arms ? Does it even matters ?

[rare kite]

it does not matter

[dull siren]

race

@silk spade Pull up

[reef glade]

arm

[reef glade]

guy on twitter did like 5.9

L

[dull siren]

We climb

[eager sigil]

arm

[reef glade]

rocket league

[magic canopy]

armsmish

[tacit crystal]

zhaish

[thick hamlet]

bros how come kul tiran is the top race for arms in terms of dps

i'm aware that races don't matter much, but it's still puzzling

[dull siren]

its not

[hushed patrol]

cause its not , blood mallet is wrong

[dull siren]

https://mimiron.raidbots.com/simbot/report/jbgbYe9Y9zdpXEotZecQha

Here's a race sim

Race doesn't really matter tho, If you aren't playing on the very high end or m+.
M+ there's always races like Night Elf / Dwarf for utility / skips.

[magic canopy]

nelf supremecy

[thick hamlet]

well can't blood mallet just do what you just did

my reality is being shattered in real time

[rare kite]

usually they do. it's just fukd atm

[dire copper]

blood mallet doesn't get the tree rework and is borked

[thick hamlet]

that makes sense

thanks amigos

[reef glade]

leg

[tacit crystal]

RIZZLER???????????

[eager sigil]

zhai dk bad?

[tacit crystal]

@silk spade

[reef glade]

i wish i didnt have this ovi egg trink

[shrewd niche]

That prot lookin

[eager sigil]

i have it and dont use it

cba

[reef glade]

i wouldnt mind it if i wasnt also using transmitter

cuz think 626 transmitter just better on arms than 639 skarm

miss me with that measly ass 7k mast

[silk spade]

i went no abom no apoc sanlayn

and stuff died in 10 seconds

very bad

[eager sigil]

[tacit crystal]

guys who is that prot warrior

?

[reef glade]

some noober

[eager sigil]

noob

[tacit crystal]

[silk spade]

@tacit crystal shield slam more

[dull siren]

@reef glade im stuck @ 5.3

[tacit crystal]

@dull siren hi

[reef glade]

mayhaps this is the peak

[tacit crystal]

TEA UHM WHYYYYYYYYY

[deft osprey]

Will the new 2pc/4pc change our rotation at all? Hold OPs?

[reef glade]

think ur doing everything the same

and just getting the buffs as they come

[deft osprey]

Rng damage buffs. Thx blizz

[dull siren]

full gamba refresh proc all the time win big win hard win often

gamba gamba gamba

[reef glade]

but thinking about it for what purpose would u hold OP

just to keep the 10 stack 50% op dmg buff and never use it

or start sending at 10 stacks ig u mean for the haste and ms buff

[deft osprey]

Yeah maybe stacking it is somehow a dps increase idk

[reef glade]

didnt realize all abilities give stacks not just op

but eh

too much work

maybe if theres like some like giga burn phases on bosses you could

20% haste and MS dam

but even still no guarantee it procs when you want it

[deft osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/i-don't-know-idk-idk-about-that-gif-7336250873949261946

[dull siren]

was banger on dummy testing

in execute

refresh the cash out

3x

refresh 10x stack

just perma mini bloodlustt

[deft osprey]

M+ build not taking massacre is criminal

[lean geode]

massacre kinda doodoo for col

[shadow ibex]

u cant afford it as colossus

[deft osprey]

I am aware

[finite wasp]

Y isnt there a legs warrior

[shadow ibex]

exe does less dmg than OP without jugg

[deft osprey]

It is still criminal

Straight to jail

[shadow ibex]

u can spec for it if u want

the builds arent set in stone

[thick hamlet]

execute doesn't feel good to press at all currently tbh

at least in m+ colossus

[deft osprey]

Exactly

CRIMINAL

[shadow ibex]

grab jugg and CT and have at it

[reef glade]

lmao

[silk spade]

show cleave highest number

[reef glade]

xd

[silk spade]

[lean geode]

what fight?

ingra maloch?

[reef glade]

i wonder

[lean geode]

Oh

It's in the screnshot innit

[reef glade]

[lean geode]

Kind of a goated guess on my part though

[eager sigil]

eye of kezan nerfed

delete all those dog stacking trinkets

[coarse stratus]

Anyone got a colossus arms guide? I'm only finding slayer guides. I'm pretty new to arms and can't seem to find the cast priority

[snow flame]

Thunderclap > roar > avatar> sweeping strikes >ravager > warbreaker > cleave and demolish at 10 stacks

[coarse stratus]

🙏Ty

[silk spade]

#arms message

these are openers though

[gritty oar]

so is arms using rend manually nad not through tclap anymore?

[reef glade]

its always thru thunderclap psure

unless st maybe

[gritty oar]

yeah for like Raid

[silk spade]

#arms message dont wb before rav

[silk spade]

using rend is marginally better yeah

[minor gust]

Rend is better for ST than TC yes but its very minimal and if you just want to save a keybinding you can

[gritty oar]

i mean Tclap applies rend if you have it and it costs the same rage the only real difference is ST i see more Shock wave > clap so wasnt sure

[snow flame]

Fixed just for you bud

[minor gust]

how dare you get it wrong Baze stick with Fury kid

[silk spade]

real

[dire hinge]

tclap/rend is negligible, but there's also no reason to take tclap in a pure single target fight

can macro to swap based on talent selection though ❤️

[silk spade]

some fights you rend until adds show up and then you clap there

[snow flame]

What’s the dps loss if I do wb before Rav first tho

[dire hinge]

for sure, can also just tclap the whole time, genuinely doesn't matter much

[silk spade]

mbg is shorter

[dire hinge]

it's technically better, but it's like, RNG difference

[snow flame]

Yeah but what’s the dps loss bud

[minor gust]

20%

[silk spade]

do you want me to type an arbitrary number

for this aoe specific minor optimization

[snow flame]

No shot it’s 20%

[minor gust]

[snow flame]

Yes because you made me read a paragraph

[silk spade]

tag a theorycrafter

im sure they will like it if you do that

[minor gust]

its prob just losing a global

not a major dmg loss prob pretty minor

[snow flame]

Wow so my goat doesn’t know

[silk spade]

i think it's like 1 or 2 seconds shorter mbg

or something like that

[snow flame]

The world is coming to an end

@smoky kayak what’s the dps loss from sending wb before rav or rav before warbreaker?

[silk spade]

💀

[minor gust]

[dire hinge]

[snow flame]

He’s the only one I can trust

[dire hinge]

you don't trust me?

(im in a work call, or i'd just sim it for you)

[snow flame]

You didn’t answer

[dire hinge]

IM SORRY

[snow flame]

Imagine not just ignoring the work call

[silk spade]

lets get a perma mute on baze

[dire hinge]

"yes, one second, CEO, i have to run Raidbots for someone"

[snow flame]

Perfect!

[knotty solstice]

is arms going to pump in s2 m+?

[snow flame]

Yes

[minor gust]

oh its pumpin

[snow flame]

It’s the best spec in the game technically

[knotty solstice]

lovely

[minor gust]

the second nerf thats coming tomorrow is gonna be great

[rare kite]

slayer nerf tomorrow prayge

[dire hinge]

Good, yes, nerf us

[lunar remnant]

Nerfs tomorrow woohoo

[snow flame]

It does feel less clunky to send rav after warbreaker

[dire hinge]

a poorly built spec should never fly this close to the sun, our wings deserve to melt for our transgressions

[snow flame]

Oh it’s def flying

[minor gust]

Before we were a pile of trash in an alley way. Now our trash is overflowing into the street for all to see

we will be cleaned up and shoved back into the dumpster soon enough

[snow flame]

Do yall only send demolish at 10 stacks? I’ve tested sending it below 10 stacks but it feels bad

[minor gust]

ill only send at non 10 if im not gonna be able to make it before CS falls off

but that rarely happens

you should be able to get a 10 stack demo before that happens

[rare kite]

in opener st i just send right before cs ends

if not at 10 stacks i just try to get as many as possible

[minor gust]

ST opener tho just has demolish sent after the first MS

[smoky kayak]

it's a number

[snow flame]

[rare kite]

maxroll says to do what i do. i bet the difference is minimal

[dire hinge]

During execute just send it regardless of stacks, in AoE you send it with 10 most of the time.
During your opener FrozenBozo nailed it (just send it before CS ends regardless of stacks)

[minor gust]

yeah especially in M+ your rarely going into a boss with 0 stacks of CM

its not often

[smoky kayak]

• ST just send
• Execute hold for CS
• sustained cleave hold for 10 stacks (you get them much faster)
• M+ 10 stack ideal but send when it makes sense for the current targets - not worth missing 2 targets because you're holding for stacks

[snow flame]

Hmm ok ok just trying to min max the spec cause I haven’t really played it since it was released since it was not really meta.

[minor gust]

basically if mobs are about to die cuz shits blowing up just send the non 10 stack demolish

[snow flame]

This is perfect thanks Archi

[rare kite]

majority of the time you will be at 10 stacks anyway

[hot cypress]

Just learning Arms atm and just want to double check something real quick, I sometimes find myself in a situation where Bladestorm is off CD and I also have an opportunitst proc and x2 executioners percision, do I use up the 2 procs before sending bladestorm? In my mind it feels like I'm wasting anger management by holding bladestorm for a few globals yknow

[smoky kayak]

the procs will get used automatically during Bladestorm thanks to Unhinged; it's actually ideal to do it that way, since it saves you a GCD from having to cast MS manually

[rare kite]

if you have 2x executioners and bladestorm you send bladestorm

[hot cypress]

Gotcha, even over the opportunist proc?

[rare kite]

yes

[hot cypress]

tyvm

[smoky kayak]

Opportunist won't reproc during Bladestorm since you're not actually spending rage, so it shouldn't matter

maybe if the Opportunist proc is running out and you wanna use it before you lose it, but I wouldn't worry too hard about it

[thick hamlet]

it's so pretty

[hot cypress]

Okay ty, just got overwhlmed seeing everything light up now I know just send bladestorm haha

[dire hinge]

how much of that is Rash juicing 😂

[snow flame]

Can’t wait to get nerfed twice before the patch even goes live

[thick hamlet]

well whatever it may be, or whether we get kneejerk nerfed, we must cherish this moment

[minor gust]

tomorrow nerfs

[rare kite]

a decent amount, would be below sub without it(havoc does well on rash)

[thick hamlet]

hotfix arms abilities damage reduced by 5%, enhance damage buffed 5% + 10 dev notes

[viscid ocean]

is there any weakauras u guys would recommend for arms?

[smoky kayak]

there's one for Slayer Sudden Death floating around

[rare kite]

yes, the opportunist and sudden death weakauras. they can be found under madoxs youtube arms guide

prob found somewhere else as well

[void bay]

whats this from?

[thick hamlet]

warcraftlogs my man

[viscid ocean]

ty ty

[void bay]

yeah but what? cos I dont see that

ah it defaulted to 11.0.7