arms

[vestal isle]

okay okay

im a bit of a arms fan myself getting sent into this jail next season but this is a good jail

a very enjoyable jail

[remote ledge]

Hello, for those who have tried / simmed. Is there a slayer arms build for m+ that competes with fury for a st oriented / prio damage build? I'm afraid arms loses too much aoe in order to do this

[eager sigil]

think theres a jugg slayer build

[tacit crystal]

for current or live

[remote ledge]

Next patch

[rare kite]

i mean there is a build, it's not very good tho. slayer aoe so small compared to colossus

[eager sigil]

just play fury if you want to fill that niche

[silk spade]

colussy

[remote ledge]

I had hope

[eager sigil]

just play colossus

it will bang

[remote ledge]

I feel like colossus is just ret with different colors

Big aoes that do aoe damage

[smoky kayak]

I think Ret is closer to Fury tbh

aside from the obvious aesthetic difference of dw

Wake is basically Odyn's Fury, TV is essentially Rampage, etc etc

[remote ledge]

Fury always felt like outlaw rogue (older versions) played like a ret paladin for me

[strange perch]

Just popping in real quick to check if you guys think arms is a solid melee to push title with for season 2? Mostly pugging i’d say

Most prospected tierlists put it pretty high, not sure if that includes the top of the ladder

[vague sonnet]

this is like the most optimal for ptr keys ya?

having SD for more ST? i prefer more ST in keys for prio dam

[rare kite]

swap dreadnaught for strength of arms

more st

[shadow ibex]

Might be better options than SD for st. Free occasional execute is gonna tickle because we don't have jug

[vague sonnet]

maybe BB?

bleeds only do about 9% of my ST

idk

[vague sonnet]

got it ty

[minor gust]

I would not take SD on ptr as colossus

[smoky kayak]

swap SD for Finishing Blows

[latent moss]

no

[vague sonnet]

bet

[latent moss]

unless u are willing to suffer

[smoky kayak]

DN vs SoA is kind of preference, slightly more MT vs slightly more ST

Though I think the rotation is smoother with DN, since it makes more sense to me to prio OP a little higher

[vague sonnet]

wouldnt having finishing blows like wayyy overcap rage more than we already do? lol

[minor gust]

Finishing blows saves you in execute

[latent moss]

arms will do good damage wise but nothing special and pugging as dps is cancer

especially as a warrior

[vague sonnet]

very true

[minor gust]

you also arent overcapping

[vague sonnet]

bet i like more ST in keys im ethical prio dam ❤️

[rare kite]

nahh, you're gonna be rage starved in execute without it when not running critical thinking

[vague sonnet]

true

[smoky kayak]

it's mostly to fuel EP, since it only triggers <35%

if you want more rage all the time, you can make Bloodsurge work, it's just not as good

or take SkS for rage on demand I guess

[vague sonnet]

nah i prefer more ST in keys i hate the new SkS i prefer it back in DF s2

[fresh spire]

rage gonna make your execute not feel like shit fr

it starves like fuck as it is, you think 8 rage isn't much but you do use overpower quite a bit and when it does reset through bl stack even more rage on top aswell. does really help flow the spec a bit

[magic canopy]

20 rage per 40 rage exe if you op after

V good

[blazing plover]

i have created and Atrocity inspired weak aura for Arms for 11.1 if you want give some thoughts and improvements Thnks
https://wago.io/NUtHLTKBO

[lean geode]

Love DN man, having passive aoe is so nice esp with sweep

[maiden moat]

hey guys, do we consume oppurtunist over MS single Target ?

[lean geode]

Yes

Well outside of execute range yes

In execute range things get a little different

[maiden moat]

because ? 😄

[nova marsh]

EOO

EP

[rare kite]

EOO

[lean geode]

I'm not at my computer rn but check the wowhead guide, it goes more in depth on the differences

[hybrid canopy]

hey quick question

is arms worth playing rn vs fury or just wait until patch

[fresh spire]

since overpower generates rage under 35% hp and rage also means harder hitting executes using procs of opportunist while your not rage capping means future executes will consume closer to the max rage available and help cause you to not rage starve

[lean geode]

Yeah if you want to, both are perfectly fine

[hybrid canopy]

ok

just wanna practice it

[smoky kayak]

patch is in 2 days btw

long wait

[lean geode]

In general, (colossus) arms has good aoe damage every pull with demolish, but comparatively weaker prio and boss dam than fury

The difference isn't huge either way though

People do high keys with both

[knotty orchid]

more nerfs tomorrow

[dire hinge]

🙏 please

[bronze sparrow]

Which warrior dps spec is seemingly more smooth going into season 2? Looking to make warrior my alt.

[smoky kayak]

hmmm... that's a tough question, since there's a lot of personal preference involved
Both are fairly straightforward, but I would generally say Fury, just because it has less jank and less weird conditions (less emphasis on gaming Juggernaut, Sweeping Strikes conditionals, etc). It also has better "one button AoE burst" for questing/dungeons/etc

[rare kite]

more smooth is subjective, most people think fury is more fun and feels "smoother"

[bronze sparrow]

Easy sell, 2 2 handers is a positive as well 🤷‍♂️

@smoky kayak if I start deep diving into guides the next few days is that rotation how its going to look into season 2?

Or do I need to wait until Tuesday to see updated guide.

[smoky kayak]

they're kinda halfway there, just wait for Tuesday for the specifics

[bronze sparrow]

All good I can do that no problem

[smoky kayak]

but other than Fury's Reckless Abandon change, the rotations aren't dramatically different

[trail orbit]

Yeah arms especially back in the day used to be very slow and methodical. It’s def been sped up which I think is great. But fury just always has had a much higher APM, and a pretty good loop. Like arch said gaming jugg is sometimes annoying where fury can just vibe.

But once you get arms and the quirks down I think one of the most rewarding specs in the game is

[onyx rapids]

practicing arms and gotta say, the misalignment of cooldowns is really annoying

[wintry arch]

When do you have to game jugg? Is that a mythic+ thing?

[cloud glacier]

Hey, Im planning of playing arms next season, any recomendations for the embellishment, is safe to craft the best one for this season or are they changing?

[teal fossil]

2 2 handers is not a positive

that just means each weapon gives you less dps

early in the season having 1 weaker offhand is pretty detrimental to performance

[teal fossil]

delaying sudden death as late as possible for jugg uptime

so you roll into execute with as many jug stacks as possible

[wintry arch]

Ooh gotcha is that significant dmg increase?

[rare kite]

Yes unfortunately

[wintry arch]

Damn.

[rare kite]

Only a raid thing tho

[wintry arch]

Yeah I’m raiding as arms s2

So just grab a SD wa and send towards the end

Do you eat sudden death procs ever?

[rare kite]

Yes, you can just get an sd weakaura tho. If it makes sound you press

[wintry arch]

Hell yeah I’m good at that tyty

[teal fossil]

yeah that optimization is quite annoying

[wintry arch]

Is colossus looking better for raid next season? Or we still waiting for tuning.

[smoky kayak]

Slayer for raid, Colossus for M+

Slayer for M+ if you hate yourself

[wintry arch]

Thanks!

[bronze sparrow]

Its still going to be a geared alt, I'm fine with that

[bronze sparrow]

How so?

[teal fossil]

im just saying that it takes exactly 1 more weapon to get stronger as fury than arms

which can be hard first couple weeks in

[shadow ibex]

explains why the stacking debuff weapon cant be good

fury walking around with BiS + forever dot weap

[cloud glacier]

Guys the Bis embellishment. for season 2 is going to change or is it safe to craft the curent one?

[mellow ore]

Just wait til Tuesday

[half jolt]

playing arms now in solo shuffle and i am feeling a bit annoyed with it. especial at the start when you got to get your all you dots and bleeds and damage stacks and sweeping strikes AND THEN you can start lining up a kill sequence

which is a couple EXE and a MS before your out of rage

guess im saying theres a lot of gcds to get through before it feels like your playing

[smoky kayak]

Arms will want double Dawnthread, though crafting a weapon might be a viable progression tactic depending on how rare/contested Best-in-Slots is

as usual, you probably don't want to craft anything asap anyway though, which gives some extra time to make that determination

[torn gate]

I looked at a few specs and sadly best in slot is infact best in slot for a lot of classes

[remote ledge]

I know the answer is sim yourself, but for colo are things changing stat wise? Mastery gained more and more value, with all the tuning are the stats changing? (I know it's only guidelines)

[idle prairie]

Colossus did want more crit than Thane, thats how it was on live server atleast. Dunno how it will be after the patch.

[smoky kayak]

Not particularly; haste/crit are still the “main” Arms stats, while the real reason you’re pushing more into Mastery is because of gear inflation, and that trend will continue in the new season

[remote ledge]

Thanks for the answer. Is crit or haste personal pref or is one better for m+ one better for raid?

[cloud dawn]

its not as bad as other specs

tc war breaker ava tr bs, ss after bs then youre good to go

[snow flame]

I played colossus arms for the first time ever today on the cds never syncing is certainly interesting

[torn gate]

but isnt that supposed to be like that as slayer aswell for the most part? i know they sync up to avatar eventually but other then that not rly no?

[lilac raptor]

Critical Bug Alert! The current test server has a game-breaking glitch where the "Sweep" skill duration extends up to 10 minutes. This likely enables players to abuse indirect damage stacking mechanics.

[thick kelp]

do explain how to do it

[lilac raptor]

It turns out that a player in the test server exploited this game-breaking bug, pushing the damage of Cleave to an absurd 68 million.

[dire hinge]

right, picked up on that part

feel free to report it via the in-game bug system, unless you're able to provide further insights about it

[lilac raptor]

The precise mechanics are still a mystery, but it appears to exploit Avatar's cooldown reset to repeatedly stack Sweeping Strikes. This allows for an absurd accumulation of indirect damage layers, ultimately enabling a catastrophic Cleave with insane damage output.

[dire hinge]

such colorful sentences

[lilac raptor]

That sounds like an absolutely thrilling experience!

[dire hinge]

quite

[lilac raptor]

However, this bug should only be achievable in the test server.

[rare kite]

wdym by avatar cooldown reset?

[deep ridge]

So 10+ mages in raid constantly resetting boss to clear my avatar CD will not br the case?

[rare kite]

but avatars cd doesn't get reset? the cd is too short

only 2m and higher get reset

[deep ridge]

Eee, you are right :-X

[lilac raptor]

This is just my guess—the screenshot was shared with me by another player.

[astral yarrow]

There is 0 chance i get my raid team to reset boss a million times to get sweep uptime

[strange perch]

I really can't tell if arms will be title achievable

[lilac raptor]

1

[strange perch]

all classes seem pretty strong this time around especially with the aug nerf

[thick kelp]

you can get title on arms

[strange perch]

is arms decent for pugging? I've only rlly played prot

[thick kelp]

Sure

you got stuns and stops

intervene too for its niche uses

[strange perch]

I'll see if i fuck with it

[thick kelp]

and u can build a good dungeon comp around it

since you bring ap buff

[rare kite]

ofcourse it will

people have title on every class every season

[strange perch]

i am pugging mostly though, so it's more about getting invites etc

im confident i could make anything work good enough, but invites can be a bit rough sometimes

[rare kite]

mostly pugging is really rough for title anyway

[strange perch]

yeah i should find a team

[eager sigil]

if you wanna pug you probably want to reroll to whatever is best after a few weeks

[snow flame]

Arms is best

[elder nacelle]

yep, and if you want to keep playing prot, it's better for gearing since you can keep most of arms pieces as a tank, unlike with Fury where you want all the mastery and haste bananza

[strange perch]

alright, i'll try it out

can always fall back to my lock after if its not for me

[strange yacht]

Anyone know where I can find BiS theorycraft or final* BiS lists for season 2?

[astral yarrow]

the sim sheet has the best performing setups, outside specific items from M+ in vault

[strange yacht]

Ah I was hoping to figure out the M+ BiS beforehand

[astral yarrow]

M+ BIS as in items only from M+ or what the best stup is in M+

[thick kelp]

sheet™️

[astral yarrow]

simeet

[fresh spire]

Sheit

You mean bis gear from m+ or tier listing for the class potential?

[astral yarrow]

thats a better way to phrase that whan i tried for clarification

[fresh spire]

[severe haven]

pugging to title as warr?

😅

[eager sigil]

yes?

[severe haven]

there are easier methods of torture

[boreal quartz]

For example pugging weeklies

[eager sigil]

doing keys

[astral rock]

anyone has a m+ talent build for ptr ? one from wowhead doesnt not work

[thick kelp]

CcEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGmZGzYGjZb2WWGzAAAAwgphZmlZmhxyYmZsZmZwghBAAAAAAgZMbjxAslZALmxwCMwMajGwC

[boreal quartz]

@thick kelp you know these Peter Griffin Accounts on reels ye?

Genuinely helping me expand my music taste

[thick kelp]

how does this

1 + 1

function

watching family guy clips expands your music taste

[eager sigil]

i got rave peter atm that explains to me what drugs to combine

[eager sigil]

its ai voice peter that just explains things

[thick kelp]

ah

wtf

[astral yarrow]

petahexplainsthejoke on reddit is good too

[thick kelp]

I have never seen those

[eager sigil]

bad algo

[severe haven]

ai family guy reels

[boreal quartz]

There is many that are dedicated to bands or genres

Midwestemopeter

Alt Rock Peter

Etc etc

[severe haven]

give me smth alt rock peter gave you

[boreal quartz]

Modern Baseball

Actually no that was indie peter

But there's a bunch of shit about first second 3rd wave emo and how the eras change with Bands n stuff

Good content really

[thick kelp]

aintnoway

is this what I miss by not using reels ever

[boreal quartz]

There's also conspiracy peter

Scientology Peter

That one is very good

Has some kinda storyline goin on

I only see parts of it

[boreal quartz]

Might be on tiktok too but ion have that app

[astral rock]

thanks! by a chance you got one for fury aswell?

[severe haven]

i only saw one where he haphazardly explained quantum phsyics wrong

[astral yarrow]

no passwords are safe when quantum computing becomes commonplace

[eager sigil]

so true

[boreal quartz]

The religion Peters are wild

I recently had jew Peter

Very weird comments below it

[severe haven]

hmmm...

hes doing minecraft parkour behind the voice right

[quasi torrent]

well as long as u have timeouts they are

encryption on the other hand

[naive sage]

More like Midwest emo

[astral yarrow]

harvest today, decrypt later. Any password hash could technically be broken given the leap in processing power

[naive sage]

If you want Music suggestions feel free to hmu in dm

[quasi torrent]

Me when i snoop all traffic or breach the endpoint

[floral ledge]

hello ladies

what would be our embelisshement ?

so i can prebuy the mats

[astral yarrow]

just phish tina from accounting

[quasi torrent]

A classic

[remote ledge]

What classes get the most from our buff?

[vapid pine]

#arms message

[vapid pine]

All Agility and Strength specs gain 5% Attack Power

[umbral folio]

yeah but wasnt s2 suppsoed to favor mroe range heavy comps

[strange perch]

@dull siren tommy mate

[fresh spire]

2pac

[vapid pine]

Raid or M+?

[umbral folio]

m+

[vapid pine]

Crapshoot

No reason to try to speculate at this point tbh

[remote ledge]

I am clueless, does that mean 5% overall damage or less

[vapid pine]

Shit will get buffed and nerfed first 5 weeks and we won't know comps until the dust settles

[silk spade]

vro looking delicious

[vapid pine]

Afaik it's just 5% damage, not sure tho

[floral ledge]

ty

[lucid prawn]

hi! whats the meta spec for 11.1?

[rare kite]

Not warrior

[swift crown]

Sus

[fresh spire]

Not Aug🙏

[rare kite]

[lucid prawn]

[remote ledge]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/10g479vXesC382k68gw4akUKeuGUodbDho0yhKK6Eh0w/htmlview

Any explanation on why BL build is favored over bleed for m+? More burst? Wouldn't bleed build be more consistent between keys

[thick kelp]

I liked playing it more

[real vault]

[remote ledge]

Fair enough

[magic canopy]

bleeds basiaclly do no dam

[magic canopy]

the sim links dont show the talent build

whats the dif between them anyway

[thick kelp]

click html

[cosmic fossil]

[thick kelp]

there is import link

or alternatively scroll down to talents

[magic canopy]

okee i see it

[thick kelp]

The diff is blord or 1 point in bb

[magic canopy]

wait its just Bloodburne

oh

yeah blord more fun

esp in single tar

[thick kelp]

hence the names

blord

and bleeds

5head

[magic canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/dis-belief-surprised-oh-gif-10085527

[real vault]

In st with blord m+ build, slam replace cleave ?

[magic canopy]

ya

[remote ledge]

Someone didn't watch madox'guide..

[magic canopy]

that madox guy sucks

[steep osprey]

so true

[remote ledge]

Just like s1 talents do be cosmetics I see

[thick kelp]

yes

[silk spade]

noob!!

[magic canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-chuni-sleep-gif-20108376

[icy mulch]

If only, I'd love to go back to sleep.
Wage slave time.

[magic canopy]

Have a good day at work Osa

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/894792867518771214/1109477164220428440/cat-chuni-reversed.gif

[fresh spire]

https://tenor.com/view/redfox-fox-asleep-sleepy-gif-13446955

[last inlet]

https://tenor.com/view/girls-kissing-tired-cat-tired-cat-gif-4313847694447654030

[lucid lotus]

For 11.1 what is stronger in RAID? Colossus or slayer?

[silk spade]

slayer

[icy mulch]

Indeed, just want to nap.

https://tenor.com/view/fox-roll-all-day-gif-25701734

[icy mulch]

Funny enough, I'm one of the very few I work with that doesn't drink coffee, or smoke, or drink alcohol, or even energy drinks.

[fresh spire]

Feels. Miss my bed.

[last inlet]

crazy

i can't remember the last time i did something w/o coffee

[rancid solstice]

But why not

[icy mulch]

Not sure, don't like the taste of coffee. Energy drinks are horrible, and never liked or wanted to smoke.

[charred brook]

Man I’m otw to work right now I have to drive 2 hours there, then an hour from there to my next, then 3 hours back home

I’ve downed 1 Red Bull already today

[frail sphinx]

hey guys, I can't connect to ptr server, does anyone know how to solve this problem?

[dull siren]

just work from home

[visual blaze]

Did you create an account ? @frail sphinx
https://eu.battle.net/support/en/article/211136

[charred brook]

Give me a job

[rancid solstice]

You must get good sleep? No caffeine of any sort?

[frail sphinx]

No, I didn't know I had to create an additional account, thanks man

[icy mulch]

Long before I joined the military, I had a cooking job. The kitchen manager would go through a 6 pack of "Red Rain" in a shift. He ended up going to the doctor cause he started coughing blood. The knock off red bull was eating his stomach out.

[visual blaze]

its not additional account, its just to "link" your account with ptr

[covert drift]

hi guys, i'm a returning player that raided HC raids back in MOP
Is there anyone here that can spare some time to answer me some questions, please? I'm trying to understand the gearing system and m+ system better

[icy mulch]

I guess? Now that I'm not at a field unit I have regular hours. Before that it was kinda crazy.

[covert drift]

Oh and the reason i'm here it's because i'm going to roll an arms war

[smoky kayak]

I knew a kid who drank so much monster, energy drink, etc he couldn’t drive straight, got pulled over for a DUI lol

[olive nest]

Hollyyy

[icy mulch]

Lol, I've certainly worked with some folks that really shouldn't drink as many as they do.

It does say 1 per day.

[olive nest]

I stopped energy drinks all together when I got into lifting towards the end of high school

They are so damn bad for you it’s insane

[icy mulch]

Yup, yet ppl drink em as if it was water.

[smoky kayak]

Better to ask your questions than to ask if you can ask your questions. For the most part you want to focus on the highest item level strength gear, at least until you get past the initial gearing hump and into the “min/max” part

[olive nest]

Rip reforging

[smoky kayak]

Upgrade stuff as you can, but don’t waste finite resources on stuff you’ll replace too quickly (the game mostly handles this for you though, you’re unlikely to get many high level crests without also getting gear to use them on)

[serene cairn]

Speaking of gearing did we find out if m0 with s2 gear is available tomorrow or is it when the raid comes out?

[smoky kayak]

M0 is out on season start, not patch day

[serene cairn]

Ok

Thanks!

[icy mulch]

Hmm odd considering you can only do em once a week.

[smoky kayak]

Only thing you’re doing tomorrow is questing and fixing your talent builds

[shadow ibex]

They made m0 bosses always drop loot

[olive nest]

I liked when we had M0s at patch launch

Gave a soft goal for the time frame

[slow saddle]

Aint m0 opening?

[serene cairn]

Oh yeah I guess this week will be old delves too? Kinda lame

[slow saddle]

Lel

[smoky kayak]

I don’t really care either way, but I do like having a low key “prep week”

[slow saddle]

Same

[olive nest]

Exactly yup!

[smoky kayak]

Before jumping into the grind, so to speak

[serene cairn]

It's nice to have a week of easier low impact gearing for people main swapping too

[slow saddle]

Yup

I do like m0 is weekly lockout

[smoky kayak]

Not exactly sure, but if the new delves are active, they almost certainly won’t award higher item levels

[slow saddle]

So they couldda given that to us this week

[icy mulch]

My March break leave lines up with the start of the season. Guess I'll have a good jump on things.

[smoky kayak]

people who were main swapping had the whole last few months to gear up! Lol

[olive nest]

All 12s first week surely

[icy mulch]

Most likely.

If not right back to where I currently am.

[covert drift]

The reason i asked like that was to see if someone was willing to DM me so i can ask away, to not polute the chat here

[olive nest]

Don’t worry Amada

We totally polute these chats

[smoky kayak]

Very unlikely anyone wants to be your one-on-one private coach, but that’s what this chat is for

So ask away

[icy mulch]

Just make sure you take any and all advice with a healthy dose of salt.

There are plenty of trolls that may or will try to lead you astray

[slow saddle]

Pls my dk is 605 it needed m0

[smoky kayak]

Eh, not really; there are trolls yes, there isn’t really a rash of people purposefully trying to misexplain the gearing system that I’ve ever seen lol

And most of the trolls are extremely obvious

[thick kelp]

go craft 629 gear with world content crests tomorrow

[slow saddle]

Yes

[untold trench]

Can we even grind enough crests to do that tho?

[slow saddle]

Then again its meme alt. Just to play bdk

[covert drift]

Okay ! How does arms feel to play nowadays? Back in mop day was managing your rage/procs/cds so that you can fit the most slams as possible on CS resets as possible
Does arms plays close to that nowadays? Meaning, a more slow and calculated way compard to fury?

[shadow ibex]

Im surprised m0 isn't open it's not gonna be relevant opening on season day

[slow saddle]

No

Its slower. Due to less haste

[fresh spire]

Still. If you get one drop per kill. Insane catch up

[olive nest]

No we are a spam highest Prio button on cd spec now

[fresh spire]

Like what. 30? drops a week from a full clear

[covert drift]

Are professions still a thing? back in mop professions had bonusses that affected PvE, like eng with synapse springs and sockets with blacksmith. Is this still a thing?

[olive nest]

With alot of ability resets

[slow saddle]

Bo

No

[shadow ibex]

Only each a week. Gonna get a ton of duplicate slots

[fresh spire]

Aye still nuts tho even with dupes

[slow saddle]

Its way less work now

[fresh spire]

Odds you get half geared probs in your favour

[shadow ibex]

0 good trinket

[olive nest]

Engineering still gets rocket belt and alchemy gets double duration flask if specced into

[slow saddle]

What ilvl does m0 drop?

[covert drift]

So there is no BiS professions for pve anymore? just utility?

[slow saddle]

Yup

[olive nest]

Sadly yes

[smoky kayak]

Fortunately yes

[slow saddle]

No more weaponsmith

Thunder mace

Nah its good for the game

[covert drift]

What about things like pre-pot? to drink a pot right before pull so that you can use two combat pots on a single fight? Does the game still have those "hidden" mechanics?

[slow saddle]

Nope

[olive nest]

I’d like enchants and gems in every slot, reforging, and profession bonus
But I might just be goofy 🤪

[slow saddle]

I miss reforging

Made bad items feel better

[covert drift]

i see so they streamlined a lot of things

[slow saddle]

Yup

[olive nest]

Ye they did

[slow saddle]

Game is in a pretty good place

As a new player i would prob start a ret

Not a warrior

[olive nest]

They made it so you can equip ilvl without much extra thought

[covert drift]

what about gear? I'm having a hard time understanding this gear upgrade system. gear seems to have dozens of different sources now
i guess since you can sim yourself easily on retail this is a no issue

but still seems complicated

[slow saddle]

Get item equip item?

Upgrade at vendor

[smoky kayak]

Pots just have a 5m cooldown now, so if the fight is long enough you can use two, but you don’t have to explicitly prepot anymore

[olive nest]

The gear and crests tie into each other
Normal has gear and crests
Heroic has gear and crests
Etc

[smoky kayak]

Delete this

[olive nest]

^

[slow saddle]

Kek.

It is a very easy class to pick up though😅

[smoky kayak]

Ret damage rotation is simpler, easier to play, but it also has a much higher emphasis on doing extra utility shit (spit healing, cleansing, bopping, etc), which nice to have, but a lot more involved than just blasting dam

[covert drift]

Everywhere i look i see ppl saying ret is sweet, but there is so much of them that i just don't want to be another andy. plus i'm a warrior at heart

[slow saddle]

Which is not rly needed

But when u learn that, ya grp will love ya

[olive nest]

Just play warrior if you enjoy warrior

[smoky kayak]

I would argue that only bad rets don’t focus on their utility, and there are already way too many bad rets

[slow saddle]

Ofc. But if u are a new player

[smoky kayak]

In my mind, that’s the whole justification for them having a dummy easy rotation

[covert drift]

I'm not a new player, i'm a returning player

i was pretty hardcore back in mop

[slow saddle]

Mop though

[covert drift]

so i have the fundamentals of wow

[smoky kayak]

If I were a new or returning player, I still think focusing on one thing at a time is a better way to learn than focusing on multiple

[olive nest]

Make sure you get atleast 100 Weakauras, doesn’t matter witch ones but you need atleast 100 to play the game now

[slow saddle]

My thoughts was just very easy rotation. Then learn utility values

[thick kelp]

you are basically a new player if last time you played was in mop btw

[covert drift]

Last question, i read about M+ and i understood what it is. However if i understood if right, you only need to to +10 on each DG to get the maximum reward of gear for that week, correct? meaning, anything past +10 is just for competitive sake, correct?

[smoky kayak]

Yep, +10 is max rewards, sans a couple achievements

[warm bronze]

It’s really not that much different now.

Feels like the same old jazz to me.

[covert drift]

Cool. I guess i'll focus on doing just +10 for the rewards and focus on raiding

[smoky kayak]

It’s a mix, lots of system changes since mop, but fundamentals of gameplay aren’t too different

[covert drift]

Mythic raiding with any luck

Some fights look amazing

[olive nest]

Get loot, farm orange heroic 🪵, apply to mythic guild, W

[covert drift]

i feel the same way, even thought the game changed a lot, some core concepts are still the same

[warm bronze]

@covert drift You only need essential weakauras and a DPS addon. I got CE with only MRT note, a Weakaura package for raid, details, etc.

[covert drift]

it's different from a brand new player that don't even know what a rotation is

[warm bronze]

Yea, you’ll do great! Good to have ya back

[covert drift]

yeah i looked around and i saw quazii UI, seems pretty clean and good

[olive nest]

Quazii is by far the best free one in my opinion

[smoky kayak]

Fights have been overall pretty good, but WoW and M raiding especially have leaned further and further into mechanical complexity and group coordination. 100-300 pull bosses at the top end are not uncommon

[olive nest]

Naowhui and atrocityui are the best paid ones

[warm bronze]

Yea, I’d agree

[covert drift]

yeah, i've havent touched wow in years, but i saw some DF fights and even shadowlands fights

Halondrus for instance

looked insane

[smoky kayak]

Real chads make their own UI

[covert drift]

But looked so much fun

[warm bronze]

I think we had 250 ish pulls on Queen

[olive nest]

I’m to lazy you got me on that one

[covert drift]

real chads take a good base ui like quazii and tweak to their needs

like i'll do lmao

[smoky kayak]

It is fun, but takes a certain mindset to be willing to invest that much time and effort

[covert drift]

The challenge itself i think it's great

the problem comes with the other gildmates that start to break

and blaming each other

lei shen HC was brutal

[smoky kayak]

Arguably the best place to be is either the really high ranks, who get through prog faster via skill, or really low ranks, than in the middle

[olive nest]

The middle is where all the shit throwing happens

[icy mulch]

I made my own UI back in Cata. That's only because things like Curseforge, and WoWup didn't exist. You kinda had to make your own.

[olive nest]

Everybody thinks them as an individual is being held back by the rest

[icy mulch]

Anyone remember Power aura add on? Heh

[covert drift]

Anyway thanks for your time guys

[olive nest]

[warm bronze]

🫡

[icy mulch]

Looks like you're chopping Max's dome.

[cloud dawn]

Real chads still use vanilla UI

[warm bronze]

Just re-rolled back to arms from 3 years as Havoc

I’m doubling down

[olive nest]

Silly zoomer

Warrior is where its been at!

[cloud dawn]

rate the vanilla UI

https://imgur.com/a/UoX5kLq

[olive nest]

It’s missing the 100 Weakauras

[icy mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/ignorance-ignorance-is-bliss-kelly-clarkson-gif-12844483

[cloud dawn]

I dont need those flashy uis

[icy mulch]

How can you miss an important stop of you don't see an important stop?

[olive nest]

Hollyyy I need to use that!!

[slow saddle]

Ui is so important for.performance

[olive nest]

“Sorry guys I don’t track casts it’s on y’all”

[slow saddle]

If u gotta move eyes of mid. Bad shit happens

[slow saddle]

Classic havoc

[icy mulch]

Typical Ret.

[slow saddle]

I know

Gief ret range on rebukr

Tbh give holy power for a succesfull interrupt

[naive sage]

The fact with my ui is that I would like to clean it and remove many icons but my monke brain needs to be reminded of the keybinds even though I’ve been playing them for like 10 years

[cloud dawn]

you use hekili or something brother

[slow saddle]

Ssme

[slow saddle]

I also sometimes have to look at buttons

[shadow ibex]

Deleting lethal blows wa tonight

[slow saddle]

I hated our 4p so much

Give season 1 df

Or season 3

[shadow ibex]

Making opportun bigger

[cloud dawn]

S3 DF arms was pretty good

Seemed like lots in here didnt like it

[naive sage]

.

[slow saddle]

Season 4p should replace juggernaut

[cloud dawn]

Endless exec on fyrakk was delicious

[naive sage]

I’d rather bite my fingers off

[shadow ibex]

I just count globals between Ms in my head like a true sociopath

[pseudo crow]

hey ! in the next season, war dps will be good on raid ? or low-midd tier

[wheat lagoon]

both are good

[cloud gyro]

very low spec! go ret

[slow saddle]

We start high nerfed to bottom

Ret prob opposite

[pseudo crow]

i don't want to go ret 😢

[slow saddle]

Start mid. Buffed to the top

[cloud gyro]

Good/mid specs never get buffed, its better to start op and get nerfed

Only way to get 'buffed' as a mid spec is to get a rework

[shadow ibex]

.2 for sure

[wheat lagoon]

next expansion

[shadow ibex]

.7

[cloud gyro]

We are op and fun to play atm tho @pseudo crow in all seriousness

[unborn canyon]

only thing we are missing is party utility

[shadow ibex]

It's dam

in theory

[unborn canyon]

every day, i wish they would add misshapen mirror(or whatever tf the spell reflect applies to closest ally thing was called) to the class tree

[fresh spire]

We almost had that for intervine in beta

[unborn canyon]

almost

thats the trick

[fresh spire]

Was trying to tag admin but seems ones watchin

[shadow ibex]

Mass SR in mop classi

Classico

[rancid solstice]

Skull banner in mop too

[unborn canyon]

man, i wish pvp balance would stop holding us back on utility

[shadow ibex]

Funny i only remember mass Sr bein useful for one fight

[olive nest]

Mass spell reflect would be so damn good

[steep osprey]

SL should have had 2 legendary slots, one for DPS and one for utility, missed opportunity

[olive nest]

Party wide magic dr on 25 second cd

[shadow ibex]

H Lei shen

[unborn canyon]

and potential big damage

[slow saddle]

That wouldda been smart actuslly

[unborn canyon]

[steep osprey]

YOu know what

delete TR and SPear

[slow saddle]

Yes

[steep osprey]

put Mass SR in there

[unborn canyon]

ye, give us utility

[steep osprey]

one of them

[slow saddle]

Ancient aftershock!

Peew

[steep osprey]

No more aoe cds

[cloud gyro]

delete every button except mortal strike and reduce the cd to global cooldown

[unborn canyon]

cause remember that the class tree was supposed to be for utility more than throughput

[steep osprey]

classic frost mage be like

[slow saddle]

Not warrior tree

[icy mulch]

Yes, bring back my baby.

[rancid solstice]

We tried that in wod , it kinda sucked

[unborn canyon]

ye, apparently not warrior tree

[steep osprey]

Yeah, they could put Mass SR in one side

[unborn canyon]

yep

[steep osprey]

and the other side should have disrupting shout

don't @ me

[covert drift]

Guys quick question, i've read that arms be it slayer or colossus is not meta for higher m+ keys, however does that still apply to only +10 for the gear cap?

[slow saddle]

Mby not mass? But same as amz 1 random guy get is

[covert drift]

Or at that level it does not matter

[rancid solstice]

There isn’t a meta for easy keys

[slow saddle]

Doesnt matter at 10

[steep osprey]

[covert drift]

Aight thanks

[slow saddle]

Fuck that

Therrs warbringer

The bane of blizzard

Nerf it

[steep osprey]

Bring this Juggernaut back

[icy mulch]

Disrupting shout should be a choice node for intimidating shout. The AoE should be base line, and we can have the choice node be interrupt or knock back.

[slow saddle]

Aoe interrupt prob 2 good

[unborn canyon]

i mean

vdh gets aoe silence

[steep osprey]

Nah it isn't with the amount of utility we have

[slow saddle]

Its purple

Guys

We are brown

[steep osprey]

bringing warrior for something like a mass interrupt would be nice

[slow saddle]

Ancient aftershock!

Gimmi

[olive nest]

Like I’m going to use that properly

[slow saddle]

Nah dont give me utility

Would require me to improve

[naive sage]

I do not miss this system tbh

[slow saddle]

Give better rally! In m+

[unborn canyon]

ye

[calm hollow]

i like the new talents we will play in 11.1

[steep osprey]

Me neither, I'm just saying the utlity was much better

[unborn canyon]

rally should be buffed by like 100% in parties

[slow saddle]

Ye

[unborn canyon]

its dumb it isnt

[slow saddle]

Like darkness

[unborn canyon]

like every other raid wide

except the ones i dont think about

[slow saddle]

Its still a 3m cd. So wouldnt even be op

[unborn canyon]

ye

[olive nest]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1059542375900385340/1332789760095158402/unknown.png?ex=67bd6cf0&is=67bc1b70&hm=fbe8bedab35847190b3fdff1b19a460cd043994fa9b9f2872767fdb36f160075&
Leaked “11.1” talent tree

Imagine

[unborn canyon]

false, its missing necrobanner and aftershock

and condemn

[slow saddle]

Id take necrobanner

As utility

[unborn canyon]

id like necrobanner

if we also get the lego too, would be cool

like, a node under it

[steep osprey]

thoughts

[slow saddle]

Instead of spear

[quaint otter]

Still better

[unborn canyon]

ye, fuck spear

banner to buff allies and speeeeed

[slow saddle]

I dont mind spear in gen. Just bad as arms

[steep osprey]

I'm maining warlock in MOP Classic

[quaint otter]

Only dont get why wb leads to ep

[slow saddle]

If spear was a 45sec cd

[icy mulch]

Spear is awful. It being target capped makes it almost useless.

[unborn canyon]

neither would blizz

[slow saddle]

It would fit warrior more and tbh still be weak

[slow saddle]

Capped at 5?

[steep osprey]

i'm pretty sure it's soft capped

[unborn canyon]

its soft capped ye

[steep osprey]

not hard capped

[slow saddle]

Its dmg in gen is shit anyways

[steep osprey]

true

[halcyon valve]

this shits so funny. just fucking looking at someone to reduce their damage taken

[slow saddle]

Spear into big demo dream still lives

[unborn canyon]

ye

[quaint otter]

Yes

[unborn canyon]

spear is basically just used for a buff

is sadge

except in pvp

[steep osprey]

[slow saddle]

Which i guess is ok

[unborn canyon]

in pvp, spear is neat

[slow saddle]

If we ravage- spear demo

[unborn canyon]

but no one cares about pvp

[slow saddle]

Make avatar give 10 demo stacks!!!

[icy mulch]

Yeah, which is still pointless. Anything that you really need that damage Amp on is immune to the CC. So you might as well take Roar. Prot is the only one that will make it work.
Oh and that one niche burn phase boss.

[quaint otter]

Balls

[halcyon valve]

[icy mulch]

Even then I think Roar was better.

[slow saddle]

Like fr its so dumb on first pull

[steep osprey]

thank you for the 30% damage reduction

I appreciate it

[unborn canyon]

just make spear a 30 yrd radius

[slow saddle]

Nah

[unborn canyon]

like ashen hallow

[slow saddle]

Radius is find

[unborn canyon]

[quaint otter]

Xd

[steep osprey]

he's just looking out for his boy @halcyon valve

literally

[slow saddle]

Tbf new spear animation could be the wb 1

[halcyon valve]

keeping an eye on the homies

[slow saddle]

Not weapons but spears falling from the sky lockin mobs

[icy mulch]

What are we, hunters now?

[unborn canyon]

ye, like when do we use spears? when was the last str polearm in the game

[slow saddle]

I rly dno

Give ret spear

[unborn canyon]

give ret nothing

[slow saddle]

Give us execution thing

[quaint otter]

Sl had halberds

Iirc

[slow saddle]

Give me something thats not spear

[icy mulch]

Give them nothing, take nothing. Let Ret be the training wheels class and enjoy being made fun of.

[unborn canyon]

not ones that were str i dont think

maybe?

[icy mulch]

They should just make Ret an Int class instead of str. Most of their shit is casted like wizards.

[wanton sierra]

necro war banner? xD

[icy mulch]

No, we do not want to be a buff bot again.

[halcyon valve]

necro banner but instead of buffing people based on proximity, it buffs all warriors in the raid

[wanton sierra]

and banner buff stacks

[icy mulch]

Druids and mages screaming for banner for their combust or convoke shit.

[wanton sierra]

ye buff bot is no fun

[slow saddle]

Buffs grps not range

We wanna be new shaman

[dim basalt]

Vigilance alone would make us so much better wtf

[shadow ibex]

Honestly I just wish spear wasn't a dps cd

Make it another ursols

Not that I would spend a global throwing it out when adds need to die but I want the option

[icy mulch]

Well, at this point our dps cool down buttons are just nothing burgers. Roar, spear, neither are great. Ravager and Blade storm are meh, mostly carried by unhinged, OF is trash now.

[minor gust]

Roar still fucks in AOE just not ST so I wouldn't call it a nothing burger

[sturdy hearth]

Mass spell reflect, my dream

[trail orbit]

all our capstones are just dogwater. best row we have is 3rd from bottom. that row is chefs kiss

still tho i enjoy our CD's, regardless of them maybe being underpowered i like having dmg for every pull.

but i also played a boomie forever where you hit incarn and then didnt do dmg for 3 minutes lol

[weak rain]

it's not chefs kiss, it's just must have because all of those are strong

[trail orbit]

lol whut? all the nodes are strong so thats bad?

make it make sense.

[weak rain]

No meaningful choice

[trail orbit]

if you wanna complain about the point investment sure. but i mean come on bruh

[solar nest]

are we talking about the warbreaker row

[weak rain]

how is that chef's kiss? it's boring af cuz you have to take them all

[trail orbit]

brother idk man you must be spoiled playing a warrior lol

try playing a balance druid where you needed to take rake.

[vapid pine]

What's the difference between taking Rake and taking a passive stat you will never notice?

At least Rake is like sometimes used as 3/4 specs idk

[trail orbit]

? lmao. yeah lemme hit this 2,000 hit rake on a target as opposed to getting 6% dmg - you cant honestly tell me the 2 are equal

[vapid pine]

Specs are balanced with the points in mind. 6% damage in the tree or 6% damage buff outside of the game is the same thing and not something cool you gain

In my opinion the only cool choices in talent trees are utility and mobility points depending on fights and dungeon, almost everything else is just a robot running sims and me following the result

[trail orbit]

its like that because we all use sims. no matter what each class is cookie cutter and set before you even step foot in a dungeon/raid. i mean thats just a fundamental problem wow has had forever lol. the "meaningful" choice shit is just a lame take. when that person who wants the choice will still just go and look up "best xyz build"

[rich kernel]

welcome to the illusion of choice. every video game ever would like to say hello

[vapid pine]

You're arguing against your own point lmao, if they would make Rake baseline, add a 2% damage point there and nerf balance by 2% would you think the tree is insanely good?

[trail orbit]

my take was that the warrior tree is fine lmao.

[smoky kayak]

they're both bad in different ways

• Druid talent tree sucks because it's practically all utility, which means the stuff you're talenting into isn't useful half the time, making it all feel like a pointless endeavor
• Warrior talent tree sucks because it's all damage and defense, which means any talents you don't take put you into a deficit. Want to take Berserker Shout to help your group break a fear? Too bad, you gotta give up 5% dam or healing to do it

[vapid pine]

Druid tree is also harder to make right than Warrior imo. 3 roles 4 specs is hard to make not ridiculous

[smoky kayak]

perhaps, but tangential to the point

[trail orbit]

and i think thats my overall standing point is that taking a spell that you legitmately never use, as opposed to losing %dmg to gain a utility isn't a terrible trade.

[smoky kayak]

more damage/defense in the talent tree sounds good until you realize it's all placebo - if they replaced Rake (or whatever) with +6% damage, you're not just getting an extra 6% damage... you're going to lose 6% from the baseline in expectation that you'll take that talent

[vapid pine]

I feel like every successful rework has involved more different kinds of mobility points. It's like the only thing that can genuinely be preference between players without trolling.

[smoky kayak]

This is what's commonly referred to as "the illusion of choice" by the way

[fading aspen]

in an ideal world i think utility only competes with different utility

[trail orbit]

i will agree that the warrior tree does have some point restricitons other classes do not.

[smoky kayak]

like I said, they're both just problematic in different ways

[trail orbit]

yea

[smoky kayak]

Shaman are in a similar situation to Druid where 90% of their talents feel pointless cause it's all circumstantial utility they may or may not actually care to use from time to time

and don't get me wrong, utility effects are great to have and use... when you actually have a reason to use them, but you don't always and spending talent points on cleanse or whatever feels kinda pointless when you don't have anything to cleanse (just like Warriors being forced to talent through Shockwave on single target stun-immune bosses)

[trail orbit]

yeah and again apologies if it came off as aggressive wasnt meant to come off like that. im just coming from a point where its nice to actually have usable nodes even if just passive shit. id rather have dmg #s than button bloat on stuff that is as niche as niche can come.

[smoky kayak]

Yeah, you're not wrong that the Druid tree has some obvious problems

[trail orbit]

again mb shouldnt have brought the other class shit in the war disc

[smoky kayak]

and part of it is because of trying to juggle four specs in one tree

[trail orbit]

yea for sure

[smoky kayak]

all g, outside perspective can be helpful at times

[boreal quartz]

Druid tree is atrocious

Infinte things you should technically have keybound

[trail orbit]

yeah, i am very much enjoying a little simpler style of gameplay lol, played warrior for a long time but got away from it during WoD so its been nice to comeback.

[minor gust]

The honeymoon phase wears off

Fury is fine but once you start actually noticing how cursed arms is then you join us in suffering

[trail orbit]

haha it does for every class. im just moreso happy if arms blows i can go fury or vice versa. being a balance main, was rough because if it sucks you're kinda SoL

[nimble basin]

So after the first set of c/ds on col m+ it just never really lines up again fully for a while right?

[boreal quartz]

Itd not even Balance

[trail orbit]

lmao ill remember this in 4 weeks and refer back haha

[boreal quartz]

Arms is just meh Design

[nimble basin]

I'm looking forward to doing something new. Don't mind the general rotation but the use of cooldowns feels a little scuffed.

[minor gust]

Not even meh just a hollow shell at what it's supposed to be

[dim basalt]

boomkin is simpler than arms tho

[minor gust]

CDs will desync it's a warrior wide problem rn

[trail orbit]

rotation wise yeah but its everything with druid as a whole comparatively.

[dim basalt]

fair

[trail orbit]

and tbh im just tired of going into fkn bear form or licking the floor.

[brittle lichen]

Hey guys whats our stat priority going into S2? Looking at the BiS gear list its heavy mastery but the stat prio says mastery is 2nd to last (Im assuming its just not updated yet)

[nimble basin]

Yeah, I'm assuming we just send shit when its available really? feels like it. Second set of c/ds you get warbreaker, demo into sweeping but no roar/ravager.

[dim basalt]

In that regard we are simpler

[trail orbit]

no in between lol

[dim basalt]

Tho instead of bear you go def stance

[sharp wyvern]

trust the robot

and sim often

[dim basalt]

Just slightly better

[trail orbit]

yeah but at least i can do dmg lmao

instead of hitting mangle

lol

[sharp wyvern]

we dont need to go into def stance we get 10% more hp

[trail orbit]

10% reduc dmg def sucks. but better than 95% reduc lol

[sharp wyvern]

just ask for sac

ez

[minor gust]

Yes you're not holding unless something is about to come up

[trail orbit]

true. my hpal hated me on ansurek. but i was vibing having beacon haha

[nimble basin]

It's so weird lol, you do full c/ds. Then get warbreaker, demo, ss. Then Roar on its own. Then you get war,demo,ss,ravager lol. Just feels like bad design.

[minor gust]

Welcome to arms

Here's your suffering badge

[nimble basin]

do we wait for 2 stacks before using cleave if we can overpower twice or just send cleave?

[minor gust]

Send cleave on cd

[opal flax]

is arms wrarior gonna be running bladestorm build in 11.1?

[minor gust]

Only time you do that is for your collateral if it's still gonna be in cds

[nimble basin]

in ST I believe? not m+

[nimble basin]

appreciate your help btw

[minor gust]

Usually your collateral will be lined up with avatar and demolish buff if you can squeeze in a 2 stack cleave before they fall it's worth. If not don't worry about it and just send

[nimble basin]

I haven't looked into raid much, how many bosses are we ST'ing?

[minor gust]

Slayer for raid col for M+

[nimble basin]

Oh yeh I have it set up already, super simple. Just curious if most bosses are ST this time around.

[minor gust]

Not really sure didn't do much raid testing but arms likes to play to it's strength and that's ST

So normally even if the fight has cleave like queen you stay full ST

[nimble basin]

makes sense :D man I'm kinda hyped for s2.

[shadow ibex]

We have no idea what gally is like

No heroic testing

Could be omega arms fight

[minor gust]

Max has confirmed there's atleast two bosses where the execute phase actually matters because dmg outside of it isn't as impactful so there's some arms juice this tier

[teal fossil]

what about the hunter execute

[minor gust]

WHO

[zenith lodge]

ive been trying to learn arms for the past few days and honestly it feels like a mess with a bunch of button bloat (could be wrong just very used to fury) , is this gonna change in s2 or will it feel the same?

[sharp wyvern]

spriest execute uhdk execute
we might be cooked

[minor gust]

Arms will feel slightly better to play next tier. As far as button bloat if you don't like Skullsplitter you don't have to play it next tier.

[warm bronze]

Do we still use rend over TC in ST situations?

I still have a bad habit using thunderclap on CD over slam, but I’m smashing it into my monke brain

[minor gust]

Rend is technically better in ST over TC but the dmg gain is super minimal if you want to save the keybind you can just use TC instead of rend

[warm bronze]

Gotcha, yea I’ll have to experiment. There “is” more button bloat. Especially since DF

[icy mulch]

I'm actually surprised that some of the builds aren't even using rend.

That M+ build last week, no Blood borne, no rend, no capstones on Roar.

[sage badge]

I imagine it's because bleed damage is down bad. Cleave and demolish is majority of your aoe.

[minor gust]

There is no real build that doesn't take rend

That was just a gio build

[icy mulch]

I'd rather have my buttons do big dam instead of tickling things. I need that rush of seeing big chunks of hp bars vanish.

[minor gust]

I'd rather have a no bleed build either but our other talents aren't good enough to drop rend

[icy mulch]

There are many talents that have been just completely dead in the water all expac. Both Arms and Fury have a fair amount of talent nodes that suck. Some even being choice nodes.

[minor gust]

Yup and something tells me they will survive into the next expansion aswell

Another expansion of spiteful and dance of death I can't wait

[swift crown]

SPriest Execute come on

[icy mulch]

When they kill themselves with Shadow word death.

[proud remnant]

Arms needs a rework bad. Probably not going to happen until midnight at this point

So fucking clunky

[tawny grail]

are we taking SKS in raid?

for 11.1

[sharp wyvern]

[serene hollow]

I believe current sim says no for slayer, maybe for colossus

[minor gust]

No

[sharp wyvern]

cause the one thing collosus needs is more buttons

[steep osprey]

you can just literally buy normal gurthalak rn on cata

[serene hollow]

or at least it's very close for slayer so maybe/maybe not worth

[steep osprey]

[thick kelp]

lfr*

[steep osprey]

yeah but lfr gurthalak is pretty nuts

better than normal weapons

even heroic

[thick kelp]

ye

its bis till normal and normals bis before hc

fury bis is titans grip 2x gurthalak

[steep osprey]

came back after first tier

haven't played since

[thick kelp]

i did the same

[steep osprey]

imagine playing fury

[thick kelp]

now got 4pc and gurthalak

and valor ring

[steep osprey]

I don't think i'll be raiding

I'll just do pugs

[thick kelp]

i got em from dungeon spamming

very ez

[steep osprey]

yeah easy

[thick kelp]

just logged in to prepare for mop leveling

[steep osprey]

enduring blow

xdd

[thick kelp]

also cata fury is kinda fun...

[minor gust]

I'm waiting for the 50% XP buff to return before I level for MOP

[steep osprey]

Cata fury is def fun but cata fury is trash

[steep osprey]

don't think there's gonna be one

there was in wotlk because leveling was slow but since cata revamp it's a lot faster

[thick kelp]

buy the mop pack

[minor gust]

There always is one between patches and pre expansion patches

[thick kelp]

and get 85 boost

[steep osprey]

I don't know what the devs were thinking at that point

nomralizing fury rage gen

and not compensating for it

ICANT

[trail orbit]

cant wait for MoP classic and just have to do 44 dailies every day again

[steep osprey]

lmfao

[icy mulch]

I did Fireland's raid as Fury for the most part.
Dragon soul was a mix to.

[steep osprey]

I just saw stats for DS a few days ago

fury was down bad

but that could be because everyone is playing arms rn

[shadow ibex]

Yea arms is nice for ds

[thick kelp]

anythin is miles aheas of fury

[shadow ibex]

Fight design

You can rend tclap things

[icy mulch]

Arms was better in Dargon soul.

[steep osprey]

arms was better the entirety of cata

[icy mulch]

I played all three.

[minor gust]

I can't wait for MOP warrior

[thick kelp]

i think in mop fury is better but no clue

[steep osprey]

it's close in mop

depends on fights

[minor gust]

Didn't play warrior back then and everyone says they loved it and was just as good as legion

[steep osprey]

arms is really good at fights with big trash that lasts long

[icy mulch]

MoP was where everyone played their class and part of another. Lol

[steep osprey]

fury is aoe burst fights

[trail orbit]

arms is better in MoP once you get the cloak

[steep osprey]

but warrior in general is mid in mop

[warped coral]

Hi, is it possible to get a data of all spells, damage talents etc for arms warrior?

[steep osprey]

i'll be playing warlock

[warped coral]

All stats

[trail orbit]

but fury was always better but not by much. Once you get the cloak tho my lord arms feasts.

[steep osprey]

I don't know if that's true

but I know fury did better ST than arms

the only fight arms was actually good in SoO was Galakras

even then it's not that good because it was just add damage

[trail orbit]

siege is a trash raid anyway

[steep osprey]

I liked it

but it's too long

[trail orbit]

yeah.

4 bosses to long

[steep osprey]

@thick kelp the 2pc is also good

-10 cost to heroic strike during inner rage

[shadow ibex]

Fury mop could be the best designed spec ever

[steep osprey]

that was the main issue of inner rage, hc costs too much

[thick kelp]

yeah finally makes ir usable spell

[shadow ibex]

Depending on who you ask

[steep osprey]

exactly lmfao

[thick kelp]

went from not even keybound to used on cd

Peak tierset

[boreal quartz]

Inner rage is a shit hearthstone card

[steep osprey]

I think it's up there for fury iterations

[shadow ibex]

There's only so many

Pre rampage

And post

[thick kelp]

Can we replace slam with cata heroic strike

[steep osprey]

MoP is the only good fury interation pre rampage

[shadow ibex]

Yea

[steep osprey]

maybe cata

too

[steep osprey]

so real

[thick kelp]

heroicstrike.org

[minor gust]

[shadow ibex]

One day we woke up

And it was gone

No documentation

[minor gust]

Meanwhile 5 paragraphs and a 20% slam buff

[gaunt owl]

how many paragraph was it from Fishy boy this time ?

we need to update the meme

[severe haven]

Legion arms

[icy mulch]

Remember when slam was a casted? You could still move, but that 1s or so cast bar always made me laugh. Hit pretty hard to.

[severe haven]

Was Warrior lit in MoP? Maybe I try it just for my war/lock

[steep osprey]

it was

in terms of gameplay

[minor gust]

a lot of people loved Mop warrior

usually people say legion or Mop was their fav warrior expansion

[trail orbit]

only thing with legion was the leggos. if you had the leggo drops you were chillen

[warped ether]

Warr was goated in mop

Id say a lot of button bloats but it was hella fun

[trail orbit]

but MoP is def the best for War. i liked wrath arms and Dragon soul arms as well.

[minor gust]

just talkin class design but yeah if u didnt get your bis lego at the start you werent having a good time in the begining of Legion

[trail orbit]

oh yeah for sure. specially during tomb it was really really good.

[minor gust]

god I would pay so much money if they skipped wod classic and went straight to legion

give me legion with lego vendor at the start

[icy mulch]

Yup, if you didn't get glove or ring early it was rough.

[minor gust]

and I grind for months

[junior lava]

Sidenote: has anyone heard anything about what they are doing with the Dinar coin now that its not in renown track?

[warped ether]

Omg I just remembered we had a aoe kick in mop

[slow saddle]

Ravager is great

[shadow ibex]

Mop was when we were most durable

Had shield wall

[icy mulch]

Radio silence. It was removed and thought to be put in somewhere else. Nothing confirming when or where.

[junior lava]

Thats what I though just saw it had a section in the new Wowhead Arms guide

[minor gust]

best guess well get it in the .5 patch

[warped ether]

Wasent mop where we had bloodbath aswell ?

[minor gust]

Renown estimation had it originally coming out in .7 patch but Blizz agreed Dinars should come earlier and should be its own thing not tied to the renown

most likely also adding a way for Dinar to be used and aquired by M+ only people

[junior lava]

They should just tie it to AotC and KSM

In addition to the catalyst charge

[minor gust]

thats to early

week 1 buying your bis wep or trinket or w/e super rare shit

[junior lava]

I guess thats fair

Especially for RWF

[icy mulch]

Yeah KSM will be week one for most of us doing M+ as our main content.

[severe haven]

Reminder pvp 1600 also gets you a separate free token

I will do that ez

[minor gust]

a lot of mythic raiders get Aotc week 1 aswell

[icy mulch]

I hate pvp.

[warped ether]

Just found this for the ones interested

https://youtu.be/kfQmBKC5BAM?si=zcY7JRVfGrUvTOa5

11 years ago

[severe haven]

I might watch to see the rotation lol

[trail orbit]

its so many buttons

beware lol

[junior lava]

Are you guys still planning on maining arms for M+?

[trail orbit]

yep yep

arms or die.

[minor gust]

your in the arms channel

[shadow ibex]

[minor gust]

90% of ppl in here are arms enjoyers

[severe haven]

Meat cleaver is hard dog capped at 5

So yes

[junior lava]

I just switched like a month ago

[minor gust]

even when dogshit cuz no one plays this spec

[junior lava]

And Im holding strong 😂

[icy mulch]

I'll most likely do all three to a certain extent.

[junior lava]

Same Id just like to main a dps and prot with my focus being raid

[trail orbit]

i wish i could get into tanking

its just so meh, i wanna do dam. not worry about living

[minor gust]

Warrior is a class that likes all stats you can freely swap between each spec at most just have different rings and necks

dont feel the need to only play arms in a tier or fury

[icy mulch]

I only tanked keys up to 12, than no one wanted anything but Pally. I had been doing all specs through keys when I don't have to tank.

[junior lava]

Oh cool in that case Ill probably swap around depending on the fight

[severe haven]

I'm getting my portals and mount and dipping I think

I'll m+ on my alt

I enjoy not being forced into a caste system that is LFG