arms

[slow saddle]

Aura nerf is always warrior solution

[weak rain]

sims shows that we lost more than 5% no? it used to be 3140, but we lost 200k around

[rare kite]

it was definetely good. just not as good as arms

[quasi torrent]

yeah atleast i wont have rawrxd:3 anymore

[slow saddle]

I miss it!

Heck give me condemn

Would make juggernaut easier to keep up

[icy mulch]

I do love Ancient aftershock.

[weak rain]

no condemn, fuck condemn, remove jugg, remove massacre, remove sudden death, buff execute

[slow saddle]

I know from a dmg profile condemn is horrid

[plucky fern]

if you miss spamming one button rotation i guess you might consider rerolling ret

[lucid schooner]

give warri more utility

[sacred zodiac]

what how

[slow saddle]

Keep sd, but remove jugger

[rare kite]

used to be 3131, now it's 2947

[weak rain]

no utility, DAMAGE

[icy mulch]

I keep it on my side bar for whenever I go to Ardenweald. Just so I can use it for nostalgia sake.

[steep osprey]

Btw spriest tier went from 32% dps to 13% @rare kite

[rare kite]

[steep osprey]

They also giga nerfed subtlety tier

Now the only insane tier left is bm

Idk why they haven’t nerfed that

[plucky fern]

because nobody's gonna play with hunters anyway

[weak rain]

just from pure math it's still more than 5%

[quasi torrent]

[steep osprey]

Imagine getting tier and getting 30% dps lol

[quasi torrent]

surely u wont play wtih bm (still does 15% more dam than any other spec)

[steep osprey]

I’m still expecting a tier set nerf for bm

I don’t see a reason not to when they already nerfed the sub and spriest ones

[plucky fern]

is it even true

i mean i heard bm is good

but not that good

[quasi torrent]

bm is very good

[weak rain]

no, it's just the best dps spec in the game

[plucky fern]

well i guess thats cool because hunters love battle shout so we might get invited in keys for once

[sharp wyvern]

hunter monk warrior god comp

[rare kite]

yeah should be 2977

[plucky fern]

more like hunter warrior ench

and misweaver monk

[slow saddle]

Resto shaman

[quasi torrent]

just one ranged is kinda grief sometimes

[plucky fern]

i heard rsham is poop this season

[quasi torrent]

u get funny mechs in melee

[weak rain]

they need to buff fucking roar, bs, rava, spear fr though

[slow saddle]

Will get buffed if it is

[quasi torrent]

wouldnt be so sure

[weak rain]

damage of these got powercreeped so hard

and now they are getting nerfed by 5%

[slow saddle]

Rava less so, as we can do rotation

Bladestorm is rough

[weak rain]

I liked to press BS at the start of this expac, now I hate this shit

it does 0 dmg

[steep osprey]

Fr fr

[weak rain]

and I am forced to press it

[sharp wyvern]

its still fun on fury

cause its actually big dmg and fast

[slow saddle]

Y slayer fury

[steep osprey]

BS does trash damage

[quasi torrent]

i liked pressing OF more when it wasnt peepee

cause whoosh sound >

[steep osprey]

You see good damage because of unhinged

But bs is horrendously bad

[sharp wyvern]

unhinged =bladestorm

so who cares

[halcyon breach]

Unhinged itself is not the main reason you do a lot of damage with BS

[slow saddle]

Same

[halcyon breach]

Reap is genuinely the biggest damage source for BS at this point

[quasi torrent]

we HATE reap the storm

[slow saddle]

100%

[steep osprey]

I just want a bs buff

You can nerf reap

Idc

[sharp wyvern]

if BS gets buffed odyns fury gets nerfed

[steep osprey]

Fuck odyns

[slow saddle]

Dmg is dmg

[quasi torrent]

OF is fun

reap isnt

[weak rain]

nah reap the storm is fun, reminds me of that torghast power which launched whirlwind after MS cast

[slow saddle]

Idm if bladestorm does it via interactions

[sharp wyvern]

just give me spear meta

[weak rain]

liked that shit

[halcyon breach]

Reap is really not fun

[sharp wyvern]

its been to long

[steep osprey]

BS is also fun

[halcyon breach]

Variance between you proccing 3 reaps or no reaps during a single BS cast is absurd

[slow saddle]

Bladestorm sucks on arms

[quasi torrent]

i prefer using a global to dump rather than sit there for 3 globals, even if fury BS is fast

[quasi torrent]

me when 20%

[slow saddle]

Its fun on fury

[boreal quartz]

reap gamba is not fun

[silk spade]

fuck reap

[quasi torrent]

play slayer AM on ptr

just press BT simulator

if spin do 6m in a pack
if no spin 3m

king design

[slow saddle]

Haha

[steep osprey]

I’d prefer reap going to SD

[weak rain]

reminds me of bfa bt spam, but it was for CSHB procs

[slow saddle]

True

[weak rain]

KEKW

[slow saddle]

This would actually.make sd good to press

Dbo bout tuning but i like that

[quasi torrent]

CSHB was very easy to get and u could game it by main targeting with fresh meat

[steep osprey]

You’d have to buff reap

If it goes to sd procs

It’s still rng tbh

[slow saddle]

Ofc

[sharp wyvern]

or you buff BS instead

[slow saddle]

But u feel like u made a choice at least

[sharp wyvern]

the same choice you make when pressing demolish and it crits or doesnt

[quasi torrent]

Demolish is rly fun when it doesn't crit on smth like last boss rookery dmg amp

that boss fucking sucks btw

[dim basalt]

Just give Demo 100% crit chance

😦

[slow saddle]

Nah, a bit of rng is fine

Feels good when critd

Also knowing blizzard we would just get. Cant crit

[dim basalt]

Colossus would be even with Slayer with a guaranteed crit

Ye ig

[sharp wyvern]

would still be better

[slow saddle]

For that to makr sende exess crit needs to be turned into. Crit dmg on demi

[silk spade]

demo critting or not is def not trivial lol

numbers wise

[slow saddle]

Ofc not

[steep osprey]

They’d nerf by half if they were to make it guaranteed crit

[silk spade]

better than gambling

[sharp wyvern]

i dont see how that is bad

[slow saddle]

The variance is what keeps us from gettin nerfed

U cant both say we want big hit, but then complain when crits gives us variance

[rare kite]

there's a reason they made all other abilities like that not be able to crit

execution sentence crit variable xD

[sharp wyvern]

so you want fatality to crit ?

[slow saddle]

I want fatality gone

[boreal quartz]

W

[slow saddle]

But its once per encounter

[sharp wyvern]

an entire hero spec is designed around demolish

[slow saddle]

Demos u grt plenty and with 40% crit variance overall wont be to horrid

[silk spade]

cooked

[rare kite]

unless those variances are all in cds

[slow saddle]

True

[silk spade]

surely you like the variance of demo not critting on a damage amp

very good feeling for you I bet

I hecking love variance

[slow saddle]

Dno man i like it, but i aknowledge its prob healthier if it couldnt crit. But that would just mean we stack mastery?

[sharp wyvern]

did you like that you needed to be in ToM during fatality ?

if not then how do you like demolish variance

seems backwards to me

[slow saddle]

Haste - mastery. Which means less crit on avg

[rare kite]

if demolish was our only ability sure. if it was guaranteed to crit maybe crit would lose a tiny bit of value, but ican't see it falling off that hard

[strange perch]

Gregoronsen

[slow saddle]

Ideal world. Tuned around it exess crit = more dmg to demo

And 100% crit on spell

Id love that ngl. As leaning into crit gives more demos, and would 100% make sense

[silk spade]

yeah

the chaos bolt treatment

been saying this since beta

[sharp wyvern]

or what ever fire mage has

[slow saddle]

Would give spec a logical prio of secondaries

As well

[rare kite]

yupp

[slow saddle]

Also remove tom from game

So scared its ever gonna be bis again

[rare kite]

remove tom, remove jugg. especially jugg

[steep osprey]

Name server username

[slow saddle]

I hate tom for the same reason i hate collateral blows

Amp outside a cds

If played logical

[sharp wyvern]

it also makes downtime alot more punishing

that goes for both jugg and ToM

[halcyon breach]

ToM does not get nearly as punished for downtime as AM does

[silk spade]

what

[plucky fern]

so basically you guys hate any ability that requires at least some thinking

[steep osprey]

The 5 thing

[plucky fern]

peak warrior moment

[icy mulch]

Are you actually surprised?

[plucky fern]

nope

[icy mulch]

Considering how popular Ret paladin became.... common players want ez mode.

[rare kite]

What ability requires thinking??

[icy mulch]

Which button to hit next.

[plucky fern]

tom, collat, whatever else was mentioned above

i might agree with jugg being shit tho

but it needs adjustments not removal

[daring heron]

tom isnt disliked because it requires thinking

[silk spade]

you missed the point of the convo big time I think

[daring heron]

tom is disliked because it makes our damage profile omega flat, and iftk makes cs/wb feel more like a real damage window

[dim basalt]

CD doesnt require thinking but is just shit design

[copper pasture]

where do i find the ptr build for arms?

[dim basalt]

Tho MBG is the bigger issue in combination with CD

[latent moss]

tbf when was the last time it required real thinking

only fatality alignment

[plucky fern]

i might because i didnt read everything so will not continue
i read a few messages and what catched my eye was 'remove this remove that' and 'bring condemn back'

[latent moss]

maybe if u count ww and ip as thinking yeah but in 10.2 pressing ww in cs was within variance

and i hate to say it but tom gave that dopamine in exe

iftk prob will too once we get high haste and our haste in cs gets insane

[rare kite]

If you proc tier right before and they overlap it's big dopamine

[icy mulch]

@daring heron See what your PI stacking has done. 5% nerf, damn you! Lol

[latent moss]

idk the changed tier but arms has no dopamine in the kit

ig 15 jugg stacks and exe spam but

it doesnt come close to late 10.2 exe spam with massive tom cs avatar overlaps

[icy mulch]

Our dopamine comes from collateral cleave and Demolish.

[latent moss]

• pips crit infinite rage

holy i love pips so much

[plucky fern]

i mean yeah if massive demolish crit when you align cooldowns isnt dopamine, i dont know what is

[latent moss]

peak trinket

[latent moss]

in aoe yeah

[icy mulch]

https://youtu.be/qlrpeYdm9Ec?si=aMiZMA_EEt_DvbmA

When you get that 17 mil cleave.

[latent moss]

remove jugg and every sd will be dopamine

[lunar remnant]

5% nerf ain’t doing shit we pumpin bois

[latent moss]

imagine 3 sd in a row on pull with lust all cds

no jugg so it actually deals damage

[latent hull]

lemme get this right

we got nerfed but warlock didnt?

[latent moss]

we are still simming for 3 mil

50k below or something

[hardy gazelle]

are sims public anywhere to see?

[lunar remnant]

If that’s our nerf for next season I’ll gladly take it

[steep osprey]

I don’t think warlocks sim high on st

[thick kelp]

yeah but they are out of date

[steep osprey]

That’s what the nerfs targeted

[thick kelp]

(i havnt updated them post nerfs)

[steep osprey]

Yeah destro is really strong in m+ but that’s another story

[icy mulch]

You're not wrong. Juggernaut is outdated and out of place now.

[lunar remnant]

at least they didn’t cap our target AoE 😅

[latent moss]

im seeing 2.95 which is accurate

[thick kelp]

yeah okay the one sim I ran

[latent moss]

[icy mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-whatever-eye-roll-gif-14086660

[latent moss]

uncap cleave

[thick kelp]

not target capped btw

[icy mulch]

Soft capped.

[steep osprey]

are you gonna post all aoe abilities

Stop

[thick kelp]

no

warbkreaer is uncapped

[latent moss]

[latent moss]

are u sure

[steep osprey]

It is actually

Lol

[thick kelp]

idk doesnt say in tooltip

[icy mulch]

Lol, we said damage ability not debuffs.

[latent moss]

they softcapped to 8 i think

when they did roar and all that

[halcyon breach]

Was that not just warbringer

[icy mulch]

[latent moss]

yeah true i mix them up sometimes

[thick kelp]

SOmebigrain says where I see from here

[halcyon breach]

So did the devs apparently

[latent moss]

bro wb used to fuck in sl

[thick kelp]

https://wago.io/85Ddg05sW

[latent moss]

i love cs parry

make death mark parryable

make assa rogues remember vendetta parry on sylvanas

[slow saddle]

Y

[icy mulch]

Yeah, the fact it can be parried is ass. Especially since a lot of mechanics make you stack in front of bosses now.

[last inlet]

[slow saddle]

I mean its fine

It can be parried.

But then we should be able to use it agaim

Parry shoulndt cause cd

[icy mulch]

You're using that evil "L" word.

Blizzard is like:

https://tenor.com/view/we-dont-do-that-here-chadwick-boseman-avengers-infinity-war-gif-21347105

[quaint otter]

Evil P word

[lunar remnant]

Been trying to get used to arms and my brain can’t stop pressing cleave in single target (m plus build)

[regal prism]

Today arms and fury received a 5% nerf

[lunar remnant]

Yeah but if that’s all it is then we are chillin

[strange perch]

discord server

[thick hamlet]

ok look

if arms bad utility and defense

then we should do like

10 thousand dps

top1 dps by far

you don't like? reroll arms

or shaman

thank you

[feral basin]

watch us still get nerfed again if we do good the week between tiers

calling it rn

kneejerk time

[weak rain]

agreed, Warrior utility should be the thing that he kills anything

[feral basin]

[mighty bridge]

HOW FUCKED ARE WE BOYS GIVE IT TO ME RAW

[warm ore]

We still eatin' good

[eager sigil]

we are fine

[coral crescent]

about 5% fucked

[mighty bridge]

GOOD TO KNOW HAVE A NICE DAY

[coral crescent]

[quaint otter]

Its joever

[latent moss]

makes us unkillable and give us mass spell reflect or safeguard or something

ez

enough utility

[cloud gyro]

Guys arms is dead enough cope. U should all go reroll to ret pala

[livid thunder]

Wowhead guide reccommends to use slam when nothing else in available in ST

Why wouldn't we use cleave when it does more damage and has the same rage cost?

[halcyon breach]

Cleave consumes Martial Prowess stacks

[livid thunder]

also gives colossus stacks

[native kite]

https://tenor.com/view/that-is-blasphemy-satan-south-park-s4e11-probably-gif-21638722

[halcyon breach]

Which you want to use on MS instead

[livid thunder]

ah right ofc

[quaint otter]

https://tenor.com/view/this-is-madness-300-pazzia-questaèpazzia-gif-18373678

[native kite]

https://tenor.com/view/kick-sparta-leonidas-fall-gif-8139307

[swift crown]

Huh

[livid thunder]

oh didnt read the tooltip correctly

lol

[cloud gyro]

What level is ur ret paladins guys?

[swift crown]

Why the fuck would you roll Ret

(640)

[brittle fiber]

zamn i didnt realise void elf racial is that strong

[cloud gyro]

I just disenchanted my arms warrior

[last inlet]

i scraped mine, like a good engi 😄

[quasi torrent]

Mega Poop stacks??

[quasi torrent]

schmeowdi

[livid thunder]

Im sure this has already been discussed here but I'm just seeing this

why would they do this doesnt this just kill colossus

It doesnt make sense

[brittle fiber]

your asking something that's been questioned ever since it's implementation

youre even

[livid thunder]

will slayer be the meta next patch then

[swift crown]

Same as before pretty much

AoE Colossus ST Slayer

[brittle fiber]

having to do delves for sus energy drink vault

[swift crown]

I will grind my Monster energy and I will enjoy it

[thick kelp]

got nerfed btw

[swift crown]

Yea non-hasted is pretty bad

Quite the significant nerf

Unforch really

[brittle fiber]

im either farming a delve trinket as warrior or mecahgon wrists as mage

either way im in hell

[thick kelp]

now u just grap seaforium pacemaker from floodgate or house of cards from raid

to pair with your kezan

for prog

[brittle fiber]

which boss drops kezan

isnt it gally

[thick kelp]

yh

[brittle fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/face-palm-shake-my-head-smdh-smh-muppets-gif-5928154

[swift crown]

So you're gonna play Peacemaker

[thick kelp]

but we have good alternative for kezan in pacemaker or reverb radio

its pacemaker

not peacemaker

[slow saddle]

Mainly we dont have it talented in st?

[swift crown]

I will make peace with that

[thick kelp]

also reverb radio

is very good passive trinket from raid

[brittle fiber]

i havent read much on trinkets aside from house, sea forium and kezan

what does reverb do

[thick kelp]

haste

• str

[slow saddle]

Sweet

[swift crown]

It's universal tho

So likely pretty contested

[brittle fiber]

gr

[brittle fiber]

oh yea this trinket

i used it in ptr, was fun

[swift crown]

I will just keep my Transmitter

[thick kelp]

true

[brittle fiber]

i only have heroic transmitter

kill me

[swift crown]

They kinda just

[thick kelp]

thats better

u can replace it faster

[swift crown]

Need to nerf Transmitter another 10%

And Spymaster

[slow saddle]

Ye

[swift crown]

But eh

I'm a Transmitter apologist personally

So it's fine

[brittle fiber]

i like when you dont get the puzzle to stand in the fucking trap thingy

[cloud gyro]

You should macro defensive stance and transmitter together

[slow saddle]

Just give normal puzzlebox

Cast timer

[swift crown]

Even that you can just play around in almost all situations

[quaint otter]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/914122521857650720/1342853834644389928/4356435.gif?ex=67bb2597&is=67b9d417&hm=8a5193ae161d87e59d705160500cb6d6297bc20402df55ad15be3e05ae09de4f&

[slow saddle]

Ofc. But its annoying

How does enchant changes, do they change balance?

[brittle fiber]

watching my transmitter orb go through kyveza in intermission

[quaint otter]

hehe ball

[slow saddle]

Aim it

[brittle fiber]

you can AIM IT

[slow saddle]

App so

[brittle fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-my-god-vince-mcmahon-mr-mcmahon-omg-falling-gif-11831680554643426869

[slow saddle]

Somewhat i think

[quaint otter]

it usually spawns to 14 hrs from u

[slow saddle]

Stopped using it ages ago. I had mythic shard. And hc transmittrr
So was never worth the loss

[brittle fiber]

feels 14 hours

[quaint otter]

kinda this

[slow saddle]

So aim other way

[tiny gyro]

Is there a spreadsheet with the current PTR sims for all specs? I saw someone linking a screenshot from it

[tribal zenith]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10g479vXesC382k68gw4akUKeuGUodbDho0yhKK6Eh0w/edit?gid=493889490#gid=493889490

[thick kelp]

thats ulrias sheet

gotta pay or have a friend who wants to leakit

[gaunt owl]

wtf he make people pay ?

[mint patio]

Prob just a stream/patreon follower benefit I’m guessing?

[untold trench]

Btw, the weird ass bad animations for warbreaker still in on the PTR for arms, or it reverted to oldschool?

[coral crescent]

Ulria's sheet as usual will be free once patch is live

[zenith lodge]

When do you use ravager in the opener? before colo smash or after?

or drop before charging in=

[thick kelp]

before cs

[zenith lodge]

and do you ever press MS in aoe or is it just pure cleave?

[rich kernel]

Follow up, is cleave ever pressed in pure single target? Or just fill with slam instead

[slow saddle]

Depends vhexx

For prio dmg u for sure ms

But what is the pack size...

Loads of things to consider

Ss up?

[eager sigil]

cleave has a cooldown so you have to use other things in between

[slow saddle]

But for maximum dps in aoe +4 its prob betyer to op op cleave

Or ms-op-op-cleave

Never use ms with op syacks

[zenith lodge]

I think my biggest problem is pressing thunder clap too much

[rich kernel]

what about this

[thick kelp]

slam

[somber lava]

Blizzard is a clown car when it comes to tuning

[tribal zenith]

Honestly it bothers me so much that we were not top of the pack, We had a fighting chance then they slap a 5% nerf on both specs its bonkers

[untold trench]

As long the value arms bring for execute phase is above and beyond other options, it will still be very desireable. Execute phase damage matters and is worth more than add-pad or phase-push damage generally speaking.

So - hey, maybe ya still big. Even if number looks smaller, it is worth more

[half vine]

Shaman devs said you can't have anything compete with shamans in terms of numbers or utility. nerf everything so it's a distant 2nd to shamans

[eager sigil]

so true

[half vine]

they are the curve, everything is balanced around shamans being #1

[teal fossil]

Yeah for sure shaman has been good in wow history

And not like enhancement was a meme for the past 9 years

[untold trench]

Shaman is top, we are the mid... just be glad we werent chosen to be the bottom

[livid current]

I don't understand, what is the downside of warriors, or even like outlaw rogues, actually being the highest damaging classes. Utility and Ranged Specs already have their upside. Let Warriors "utility" be that we put out big math.

[simple wren]

word

[untold trench]

They removed the concept of hybrid tax a long time ago. The goal is that everyone is "worthwhile" while bringing the 'same' DPS.
If they dont walk back on that concept, warrior must either get new utility or just accept to never be the best pick.
As if everyone are the same DPS, then the ones bringing the better extra wins out.

[livid current]

Is the downside that in content levels were utility doesnt matter, that warriors become the "auto pick" because highest math output into pixels?

[untold trench]

Downside is us on top, make retribution sad

Retribution sad = unsub = loss of revenue

[half vine]

i think this is why 5man content should be increased to 6man content (raid sizes adjusted also, not sure to what number) to allow for support specs that do lower dps and provide utility. but numbers can be equal on by relative weight metrics

[untold trench]

Warrior sad = angry on forum = still revenue

So, warrior sad is better for WoW than ret sad

[livid current]

I tried ret, put on my arms transmog, and pretended I was an arms warrior with yellow animations

[untold trench]

Holy Cope

[livid current]

yeah it was bad

[lucid schooner]

hey, are the nerfs live on ptr?

[umbral gyro]

why arms is better? the list tells me that fury has more dmg?

in aoe

and m+ st

[charred quest]

the sheet hasn't updated for fury nerfs yet

[thick kelp]

what list

[charred quest]

@umbral gyro

[zenith lodge]

what list is this

[charred quest]

oh i thought you were referring to the sheet

nvm then

[eager sigil]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10g479vXesC382k68gw4akUKeuGUodbDho0yhKK6Eh0w/edit?gid=493889490#gid=493889490

[eager sigil]

think he was

[charred quest]

ah ok

[shadow ibex]

2 more days

[naive sage]

Because people are addicted and big numbers on details are the drug

[real vault]

the good thing with the nerf, now void elf is bis race in all cases for arms

[dim basalt]

Huh?

[cloud gyro]

Because aura buffs/nerfs dont interact equally with all outside factors such as racials

[dim basalt]

What does void elf even do

[cloud gyro]

5% dmg amp proc

(unnerf)

[weak rain]

It was simming bis for me anyway b4 the nerf too

[wanton sierra]

hey guys, do u got any good wa to track arms stuff? i kinda cleared all my stuff and need to re do all the ui again

[devout pewter]

nomeraturs auras are pretty nice as a standalone thing

[modest pilot]

Just believe lads, Arms will stonks 🙏

[devout pewter]

arms already stonks, and will always stonk

There is no better!

[modest pilot]

Big bonk sh*t on the packs is the way

[brisk sedge]

were we broken or something why nerfs ?

[dim basalt]

We were and are still strong

[devout pewter]

The usual probably: Warrior was almost a good class with good damage. Can't have that

[dim basalt]

Plenty of specs still sim 20% less than us

[modest pilot]

We will still come on top lads

[devout pewter]

dont tell blizz that

incoming 10% nerf!

[dim basalt]

Its not that we are top dps tho

But good

But hard to tell whats really good right now with all the changes

aug kinda dead, BM nerf blabla

[vivid geode]

you have sim of all class like in simcraft site for s2 ?

[dim basalt]

I dont, dont think theres a public one yet

There was one in #fury from a private sheet but we only saw like 1/3 of all specs

[vivid geode]

oki ty mate

[brisk sedge]

sims shows fury beats arms in ST after nerfs

[dim basalt]

But you can prob find sims of almost every spec in each class discord

[brisk sedge]

dam it again

[dim basalt]

Why would Fury beat Arms all of a sudden

They got nerfed the same %

[devout pewter]

i think the fury sims are without the nerf yet

[dim basalt]

^

Sheet states that also

[brisk sedge]

ahh make sense

sorry

[devout pewter]

happens 😄

[dim basalt]

The difference between Arms and Fury was fairly small anyway

In pure ST

So not like it would matter which you play

[devout pewter]

which is good, the best thing that could happen

[thick kelp]

Should I make the text a bit bigger?

[devout pewter]

yes walhe, you know we're warriors and cant read

[dim basalt]

Put Fury behind the brackets

[brisk sedge]

i am legally blind sir

[devout pewter]

i'm illegally blind

[thick kelp]

Fixed

[devout pewter]

lmao nice

[brisk sedge]

xD

[dim basalt]

Agree, especially with both specs having a different strength in aoe content

[vague sonnet]

yall holding CD stacks for all stackable buffs? or just sending it regardless?

[thick kelp]

cds on cd

should line up pretty naturally

Might hold avatar for CS if execute phase is close

and hold both for execute

if u wont lose a cast

if u are colossus hold ravager for CS but not CS for ravager

[vague sonnet]

got it ty

[severe haven]

bigger tbh

[olive nest]

bros learning arms i dont believe it!

xD

[vague sonnet]

i knew SL arms not this abomination lol

this is why im arms 10M and im still learning

[thick kelp]

it aint going higher than that

[halcyon valve]

number big, number good

[wind flicker]

Anyone got a PTR build for arms?

[minor gust]

If you're playing col you can use the same as live

[wind flicker]

I dont have an import for it though x)

Do you have one by any chance?

[minor gust]

Not at PC lemme find it I posted it not to long ago

[wind flicker]

❤️

[minor gust]

No import cuz on phone but here's a pic.

BL and SD flex points

[wind flicker]

Thanks ^^

[minor gust]

Prob wouldn't run SD on PTR now after the exe change. But totally up to you

[wind flicker]

Probably bloodborne no?

[minor gust]

Yeah BB

[vague sonnet]

what would u run instead?

[minor gust]

BB

[vague sonnet]

aside from bb

[minor gust]

Can try out bloodsurge

[vague sonnet]

fosho ty

[shadow ibex]

Finishing

Or surge

[minor gust]

SOA and DN is also a choice u want slightly more ST or slightly more AOE

[shadow ibex]

Surge is best when no wf

[minor gust]

I like surge when not playing DN helps keep up the cleave MS spam.

[shadow ibex]

We really need to be able to take blademaster and warlord as colossus

[minor gust]

You can drop uproar for either of those

[strange perch]

any tips for learning Arms, not once touched it but figured i should give it a go

[shadow ibex]

I want both

Not either

[minor gust]

Ah

[minor gust]

Read the wowhead guide thoroughly

[strange perch]

aight bet, i'm assuming there isnt gonna be any crazy gimmick i need to play around like with Enh or Windwalker, thanks

[slow saddle]

Lol

Very funnt

Collataral dmg

U can earn a bit of dmg playing around it well

[minor gust]

Very minimal dmg

[magic canopy]

Arms vid

[slow saddle]

I mean its a lot if u do it well on certain pulls

If it matters for pace of dungeon i doubt

But u steal some dmg

[minor gust]

Yes big burst still not worth holding the ravager to line Mbg with collateral unless it naturally lines up that way cuz M+

If you have everything just send your collateral will line up with demolish and ava and that's more than enough.

[slow saddle]

Lies

10m cleaves

Is better for the soul

But fr if theres a gain its suuuper minor for sure

[dim basalt]

ye it is

And just feels so much worse

[wide pebble]

W @magic canopy Been waiting for the all-encompassing Arms guide

[sage badge]

Madox owns

[minor gust]

[thick kelp]

wtf is this hitbox

[magic canopy]

If you have any other questions feel free to ping me I may have missed stuff

[magic canopy]

Crab

[fresh spire]

CRAB

[daring heron]

happen if you wipe and he is crab

[vast helm]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1326809946997919805.webp?size=96&animated=true

[minor gust]

imagine if charge weaving was still really important with this hitbox

[untold trench]

Someone fed the boss I see

[glossy tusk]

are the nerfs up on ptr or not, cuz it seems like some of them are up?

[thick kelp]

are we still flexing overalls

[quaint otter]

🏐 🏐 🏐

[eager sigil]

bro is doing weeklys last days of the season...

[thick kelp]

ofc

big enjoyer

[flat mulch]

flexing in 10s with aug 🤔

[minor gust]

OMG your overall is so high! Now please link me your build, stat breakdown? what buttons you press in what order? what consumes do you use? What server are you on? What trinkets do you use? Whats your mothers maiden name? Whats your credit card number? whats the three wacky numbers on the back? Can you coach me? What race are you?

[fresh spire]

his rotation was

56242564362534265342543626534263542365423654236542345623

[quaint otter]

Maaaaan my mate thought i only press cleave if i have it 1st in details

[fresh spire]

33333333

[quaint otter]

V

[rare kite]

just get lucky with resets then that's true

[dim basalt]

Just alternate Cleave and Demo

[quaint otter]

yeah famous no modifiers cleave 300k

[radiant orchid]

anyone got new warrior sims?

[cloud gyro]

How that is a crazy high overall without aug

[warped coral]

anyone mb have ptr m+ talents to share?

[eager sigil]

scroll up a lil

[radiant orchid]

ty i tried searching for github or sims couldnt find anything

[silk spade]

kingsbane can be parried

[rare kite]

touch of death can be parried(or atleast it could years ago)

[orchid panther]

wp crit

u cooked him

[vital zinc]

get ready bois

[fresh spire]

Back to c tier we go

:o7

[soft dew]

So, how many warrior FOTM players are we going to get?

[rare kite]

not many. it's still arms warrior

very unpopular spec

[soft dew]

True

[sharp wyvern]

i think they learned their lesson last season

also as soon as they see the amount of shit we need to track they go play fury

[soft dew]

Yeah fury being "op" and got killed pretty fast

(I mean it was really too strong in raid)

[dim basalt]

They didnt get killed, they got massacred

Nerfs even when they were just middle of the pack

[shadow ibex]

the BS nerfs

[dim basalt]

Ian was prob very mad that he couldnt outdps a fury with his shaman

[shadow ibex]

it wasnt even doing a lot of aoe

[soft dew]

It was bad when they nerfed them in M+ for no reason

[shadow ibex]

BS tickles now

[stable fiber]

nah fury was batshit broken on those 3 fights

you did like 30% more damage than the second highest spec

[dim basalt]

You missed the point

Nobody said that fury wasnt broken

[soft dew]

It was broken, but the nerfs went too far

And it was then ok in raid and shit in M+

[stable fiber]

im aware, i was playing fury on release and it got nerfed so much i switched to mage

[dim basalt]

Only thing that is unfair that other specs dont get treated like that

Enh was like 20% ahead and got a 5% nerf lol

And might stay meta into S2

[dusty depot]

And basically 20% ahead of the third mythic+ spec since week 6 of mythic+

[dim basalt]

[dusty depot]

Just a bit more than 4 months

🤭

[dim basalt]

https://tenor.com/view/world-of-warcraft-orc-angry-gif-12083808

[topaz meadow]

Critcake put us in S tier, were the nerfs yesterday actually warranted than? 🤔

[lean geode]

Of course they were are you smoking crack

[rare kite]

ofcourse they were. EVERYONE was expecting the nerf

literally everyone

[lean geode]

Walhe named the sim profile this because it was about to get nuked

[topaz meadow]

idk r/competitivewow's top comment was talking about how bad they felt for warriors lol

[thick kelp]

woah who said it was me

Caught

[rare kite]

they don't know shit

want horrible opinions. go on reddit

[minor gust]

Voodoo named the DH one Oppenhiemer

[lean geode]

P sure you did when I asked about it

[topaz meadow]

😭 noted

[rare kite]

i was kinda surprised fury received the same nerf tho. was expecting an aura nerf but a few percent lower than arms

[lean geode]

Same

Expected 5-10% for arms, 3-5% for fury

[lean geode]

Isn't DH kinda shit, it's just that wounded quarry is omega bugged

[rare kite]

nahh, wounded quarry is bugged sure. but their prio damage is kind of insane

[dim basalt]

They sim very high without the bug

[minor gust]

the guy who does the sims said the bug wasnt reflected in the sims

[dim basalt]

The bugs were fixed tho

^

[lean geode]

Their prio is insane because quarry is bugged tho

[minor gust]

Havoc still looking to be strong even after bug fix nerf

[dim basalt]

No they are just good

Got good talent changes n stuff

[minor gust]

yeah they fixed every issue I had with dh

[rare kite]

still gonna be good, people were saying it like triple dipped. but according to blizz it only double dipped

[minor gust]

very very fun spec to play now

[dim basalt]

I dont think it is that bad to play even right now

In comparison to arms lol

[minor gust]

I hate fel rush usage on live

moving all the movent stuff to only backflip and hunt

[dim basalt]

At the very least it has some identity

[minor gust]

is perfect

[lean geode]

Does DH not have to play momentum/inertia shit now?

[minor gust]

fixing the felblade and backflip interaction to be smooth aswell is great

[dim basalt]

ye

[minor gust]

they do but its only tied to vengeful retreat and the hunt

no more fel rush

[dim basalt]

^

[minor gust]

the gameplay is incredibly smooth and fluid now

[dim basalt]

Remove sigil from rota tho

[shadow ibex]

gross

[dim basalt]

Sigil as Havoc feels so unintuitive

[shadow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-a-deal-breaker-for-me-zac-sistas-s4e22-thats-doesnt-work-for-me-gif-26492675

[minor gust]

eh I have no issue with it

[lean geode]

Sheeeee might have to play that then

[minor gust]

if your feeling lazy just @ player macro it

[shadow ibex]

im not bob ross i dont wanna paint stuff on the floor

[dim basalt]

agree

Insane example

[shadow ibex]

[snow flame]

@daring heron out here trying to get us nerfed

[dim basalt]

Who joined for prot war? Nome?

[rare kite]

dorki did all of the tanks

[dim basalt]

Ah

[candid pecan]

https://tenor.com/view/costco-guys-five-big-booms-boom-gif-16319214973015367077

[minor gust]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1230008337517514772/1273720854383165601/dead-arms.gif

[severe haven]

Two arms for the raid comp confirmed?

[dim basalt]

Possibly

[latent moss]

surely they just let us be

let us be insane for once

since fucking 9.1

[steep osprey]

He moved it down

[naive sage]

We are doomed, warrior is shit

[brittle fiber]

I was thinking of playing it next season but was concerned with its output

Rather stick to stinky juggernaut

[hollow plover]

HAHAHHA

[strange perch]

my fav.

[naive sage]

Don’t laugh. You are laughing over my choice of choosing enha as main, i am very sad.

[hollow plover]

HAHAHAHHAA

[naive sage]

😢

[rapid bronze]

Dude how busted was the spriest tier set if they had to aura buff the spec by 13% to compensate for fixing it

[icy widget]

I think it was like a 33% increase or something

[steep osprey]

Yeah it was

It’s 13% now lol

[wide pebble]

Thank you! Will do 👌🏼🔥

[hard cedar]

If you got lucky, you could have like 50% uptime on PI

[rapid bronze]

Lol I heard they were doing coordinated sandbagging and hiding logs and shit

[stuck nimbus]

Anyone has an 11.1 talent build for either raid or m+? What hero talent looking stronger?

[naive sage]

Same as 11.0, colossus for m+, slayer for raid

Although, don’t expect to be invited for a key before 30-40 mins

(Only reason because warrior isn’t my main anymore)

[stuck nimbus]

I'm considering which tank to main for raid and protwar is an option, so I'm also considering the dps offspecs

[umbral gyro]

why the fck does maximum put retri in s tier?

[naive sage]

I think vdh is a good option

[stuck nimbus]

any comments on arms as a spec? Regardless of tuning or community perception

[rare kite]

protwar for raid? usually raid has a ton of magic damage, would not recommend

[naive sage]

Because its output/difficulty is crazy high

[rare kite]

spec is a mess design wise but does good damage

[naive sage]

Good output, perceived as shit by the average player

[slow saddle]

Ret slaps

[formal fox]

why is there no 11.1 ptr build in pins

[naive sage]

Why should it be

[formal fox]

becuase every other class discord has it and its an extremely valuable resource for people coming back checking class discords xD

[slow saddle]

Never are ptr is to play

[brittle fiber]

Nothing’s changed really

[stuck nimbus]

Right this I care about. Numbers will change likely but design wise is what I'm looking at. I don't do world-relevant content so I just want not to hate the playstyle

[naive sage]

Warrior is almost useless in m+

[stuck nimbus]

In his defense, that's why I came in. A pin saying something like "talents builds are unchanged in 11.1" could probably save a lot of questions

[formal fox]

absolutely yep

[stuck nimbus]

but it is a minor thing

[naive sage]

I know it’s not obvious, but reading a bit into this channel is enough to get all the info you need

[stuck nimbus]

I'm in the warrior discord what do you mean "reading a bit"? I need information in short format, in visible places

[brittle fiber]

Yea that’s called the search bar

[stuck nimbus]

many word make head bad

[slow saddle]

Arms bad design

Play fury

Am slayer fury prob most fun

[brittle fiber]

Fury bad design play shaman

[slow saddle]

Thats a true fact

[rancid solstice]

Mad ox put up an arms vid for 11.1 a few hours ago. Probably has all the info you want

[brittle fiber]

I almost told my rl im playing warrior next season , im still breadcrumbing him

[stuck nimbus]

I do have a ww alt for m+ and most of my dps needs but I'm looking for a different tank (brm sux and got old). Otherwise I might consider enh

[brittle fiber]

Just learn bdk

Hard to suck at it

[slow saddle]

Dno man

[brittle fiber]

Ww’s and mist also strong next season so just do that combo

That’s what i did for second half of this season

[slow saddle]

Arms fury prot // bdk

Is my go to

Next week i guess im gearing bdk to 620

[cosmic fossil]

[brittle fiber]

Just say warrior and dk lol

Dks are in low supply in oce for some reason

[slow saddle]

Felt like more classes

[brittle fiber]

I feel like uhdk is the easiest its ever been, frost somewhat less but yea fuck all dks

[slow saddle]

I just disliked playing breath as frost

[lunar remnant]

Maining warrior and alting warrior

jk will prob alt shaman dps

[mellow ore]

Only warrior

[cunning bobcat]

Hey guys anyone know how i sim my arms warr for m+? what settings etc? I guess patchwerk, but how many mins, and bosses? 🙂 best regards

[craggy steeple]

doing arms on ptr to test it out, what capstones r we running for m+?

[thick kelp]

You trust your primal instincts

and follow them

it will get you 99% of the way there

the last 1% comes from being jacked irl

[craggy steeple]

nvm watched a critcake video crisis avoided

[quaint otter]

5-8 targets 40 sec

[slow saddle]

St

Aoe depends on pulls anyways

[rare kite]

i really dislike simming like this. get some really skewed results

[quaint otter]

Skill issue iguess

[brittle fiber]

i'm still relatively new to retail simming, do the sims assume best average scenario?

as in the sim's are based off hitting 15 stacks of juggernaut pre execute

[quaint otter]

Just median one iirc

[thick kelp]

be aware that simming niche m+ scenarios might make you believe thag fatality is a good talent for m+

[rare kite]

and that double on use is insanely strong

lots of flaws for m+ simming

[brittle fiber]

context being if they are this close with assumption that the arms sim facilitates high juggernaut stacking, then fury st is just going to be better, no?

[thick kelp]

well double on use can be strong on colossus

[quaint otter]

Uhm wasnt a thing for me

[thick kelp]

since your dps window is demolishes

[thick kelp]

it averages it out

[quaint otter]

I want demolish emote

[thick kelp]

it does like 10000 sims

if you check the swings

[brittle fiber]

makes sense

[thick kelp]

it swings like 1 million dps on arms side

[quaint otter]

Yes if u go to advanced page u can see it

[thick kelp]

depending on jugg rolls

[rare kite]

not always ofc. but if you're simming a shorter amount of time it tends to skew things

[thick kelp]

so worst case scenario you so tank dps

best case scenario you do 500k more than fury

[quaint otter]

Yes because u can always press it in 40 sec window and passive trinket might proc less than usual

[thick kelp]

if it considered the highest end of sim numbers only and not average, that arms sim would be nearing 4 million

[quaint otter]

ballszillion number

[thick kelp]

also fury am is much more prone to being fucked over by downtime from a boss

vs arms am

so technicallt fury is less reliable to reach that number in a real raid

[lean geode]

RA is like 1.5% behind AM in sim but idk how downtime/cd timings will work out in raid

Like that margin is small enough that better fight timings or small amounts of downtime can turbo fuck AM

[thick kelp]

its 2.2% behind actually

[quaint otter]

[quaint otter]

its ww iterations

but yeah hella good meme

[brittle fiber]

idk i see bell curve, i monke

[knotty orchid]

nerf warrior

[quaint otter]

no u

[quasi torrent]

both ain't mage

:3

[brittle fiber]

mage is my alt/main if arms designs stays ass/dont wanna play it but have to because it pumps alt

fire mage was fun as fuck in ptr though, hyperthermia uptime was nuts

[lean geode]

When I simmed it was 3.03 vs 3.08 but that was a week or two ago :caught:

[tacit crystal]

hi can i give you a talent build to sim

[quasi torrent]

gg it's galastronk

[thick kelp]

yeah my comparison is from tonite

[lean geode]

You know you can sim yourself on mimiron raidbots right

[lean geode]

Greg hasn't updated sheet yet gg

[thick kelp]

its gio

[quasi torrent]

t'noit m8

[tacit crystal]

i didnt think they were public

mb

[thick kelp]

he actually did an hour ago

[tacit crystal]

ill end myself

[lean geode]

nvm he has I'm a lying hater

[quasi torrent]

galastronk = gio

[thick kelp]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1294680138042183711/1341410531180806214/pQG30.gif

[quasi torrent]

i hate ohnepixel

skincel

[tacit crystal]

hi do any of you know how to write lua scripts

i need help

[quasi torrent]

Best to ask what u need the script to di

then people will be more inclined to help

[tacit crystal]

i want to write a lua script to play a gba game but im noob

[quasi torrent]

surely youd ask on the emus disc for that

[lean geode]

Me when I just ask my question instead of asking if I can ask a question

[tacit crystal]

😦

[quasi torrent]

cause it surely relies on some Api of the emu

[tacit crystal]

yarp

[quasi torrent]

https://dontasktoask.com/

good mantra

[tacit crystal]

mb sir andussy

[quasi torrent]

now u know

[tacit crystal]

how accurate is dslice

[quasi torrent]

Bleh

doesn't really model m+ well

[tacit crystal]

should i just sim for st and forget about the aoe then

[quasi torrent]

but its hard to make that and have the apl play ball

[quasi torrent]

For what gear to equip, yeah

[thick kelp]

if u want to sim dslice

[quasi torrent]

and maybe some brain on trinkets

[tacit crystal]

i just want to see if the build does damage

[thick kelp]

go tell the apl to hold cds around dslice

[quasi torrent]

Then you'd just sim straight aoe and straight st imo

fiddling with a build while integrating dslice is just an extra step

also u don't always hold cds in keys, the environment is too dynamic

[lean geode]

On god I gave like a 30 min presentation to all our devs at work about how to ask questions bc I get like 5 people a day messaging me being like hi my stuff isn't working what do

[quasi torrent]

its just really hard to model

[lean geode]

Walhe do you know off the top of your head how much fury/arms suffer from playing the wrong kind of thread?

Like arms with dusk, fury with dawn

[thick kelp]

fucking nothing

i just picked dawn cuz thats what i have crafted on myself on retail

embellishments are so dogshit weak

it wont matter what u end up wearing

as long as u hsve something

[quaint otter]

i like that threads dont scale with ilvl now

great design

[thick kelp]

yep

by the time we get to s3 we wont be wearing embellishments at all

[brittle fiber]

i like that the devs said warrior's overall in a good spot at the start of ptr and yet they've had the most drastic changes throughout the ptr

[quaint otter]

im not wearing ones already

[tacit crystal]

If I want to import a talent build from the wowhead calculator into the robot I just copy it and put it into talents no?

[lean geode]

Yes

[tacit crystal]

i did it

🙂

i didnt press shift enter after

[thick kelp]

id it has a # its s comment and sim will ignore everything on that line

[tacit crystal]

https://mimiron.raidbots.com/simbot/report/tWuWWLCDoEfWTiyoCSJADH

lol

why did this build beat the standard blord buil

d

[nimble yoke]

do we know how the aoe build might look for the coming patch? is it just the same?

[tacit crystal]

not what i put

!

unless it just does more

but its cursed

[thick kelp]

more execute talents

[quaint otter]

Clearly not what gio put

[tacit crystal]

i need to sim 5 targets

now

or how many yoou think

5 for 45

?

[quaint otter]

I will run spear with crit capstone u cant stop me

[thick kelp]

idk but the multi target sims are svuffed asfuck

they really love execute

so it looks better than it really is in nature

[quaint otter]

Unload demolish with 18th collateral into spear for ballszillion number

[tacit crystal]

like what if we never press rend and tclap

[severe haven]

arms owns

[quaint otter]

True and real

[brittle fiber]

Arms owns, mage sucks, hpal is king, brew bis tank

[icy mulch]

No rend, no 45s Roar, what is this? Almost zero capstone talents.

[tacit crystal]

yarp

afk spec

[icy mulch]

Are we really at that point where we take no capstones in class tree? lol Man, that's kinda hilarious.

[minor gust]

weve been at that point for most of ptr

[brittle fiber]

if deftones was a WoW class sim

saddest looking talent tree

surely colossal smash over warbreaker

[rare kite]

yupp

[tacit crystal]

no
?

[shadow ibex]

No way it's better in reality

You can't use mass

Exe just ruins you as colossus and without jug it does less damage than an OP cast

BS would probably sim more than the mass

[tacit crystal]

bro the robot said it was more tahnhttps://mimiron.raidbots.com/simbot/report/neo968twnGxmjAJ7aZnwLs

didnt sim aoe though

i forgor to

[shadow ibex]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1283176611226718280/1342659937440108676/image.png?ex=67bbc282&is=67ba7102&hm=aa330acfe761f78e2bf84ecd119717921d8a82668bc0fa53296479d70d35668e& if you gonna execute may as well use it to pop fatal duh

[severe haven]

fw?

[tacit crystal]

what is fw

[brittle fiber]

fuck with

[shadow ibex]

funderderous words

[severe haven]

says on your thing

"blord fw"

[tacit crystal]

i just copied a random build and put in the talent poitns

[severe haven]

yeah i get that, i was wondering if its an abbreviation i wasnt familiar with

[brittle fiber]

am i reading that right that fury tier set is still only a 4% max dps increase

holy fuck blizzard

[icy mulch]

truly dark times...

[cobalt sinew]

im curious to know the intent behind the warrior dev's design

[hexed saddle]

make us stop complaining

[vague sonnet]

declined on ptr i say more buffs

[void bay]

not enough ptr experience

need at least 8years ptr experience

[cobalt sinew]

i look forward to the day when they give arms a rework

[glacial mirage]

Do any gamers here have a macro to cast Demolish with Colossus Smash/Warbreaker?

[minor gust]

both those abillities are on the gcd so no

[glacial mirage]

I think it'd have to be a cast sequence macro but idk

[cobalt sinew]

or the day when sweeping strikes is taken off the gcd

so what things can i look forward to with the thrice-reshuffled class tree

[brittle fiber]

need CE on ptr bud thought everyone knew that

[cobalt sinew]

i see things have been moved around, do we get slightly improved budgeting

[vague sonnet]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-screaming-cat-scream-meme-red-eyes-gif-26345204

[hexed saddle]

guys we have storm bolt and hamstring and shockwave and rallying cry ok
ignore that double cap totem poison cleanse decurse purge knock up heroism ancestral guidance top of meters bully ok

[brittle fiber]

dont forget tremor totem which is in the middle of shaman tree, tar trap which is at the top of the hunter tree

you will reroll to prot and you will like it.

[vague sonnet]

Surely they upcap our fear?

[shadow ibex]

forgetting ignore pain

classic

[viscid nest]

is the AoE opener for Colossus: Charge, Cleave, TC, Thunderous Roar, Avatar+Warbreaker, Ravager, SS, Cleave, Demolish and then continue with prio?

[vague sonnet]

I like to SS mid charge but idk

I assume having SS more on Cd = more collateral uptime so I try to insta press it once I get in combat but idk

[shadow ibex]

let me take both torments

[unborn canyon]

should have just given us original signet of tormented kings

since gambling patch

[shadow ibex]

deep lore

only true nath sufferers will understand

[unborn canyon]

https://tenor.com/view/gamblecore-stickman-casino-gamble-gif-7118676210396292522

[shadow ibex]

but fr let me have warlord and blademaster

if they gonna make my capstones do 9 dmg

[olive nest]

SS/ Ava roar/Warbreaker/Demolish/Ravager/ then cleave

Oh probably charge > thunderclap > then that ^

You could also charge and SS mid charge like mentioned ive done that too

[shadow ibex]

sweeping lets u rend more than 5 with clap