#arms
shadow ibex
tough tangle
wheres this from?
slow saddle
Well include the extra dmg
shadow ibex
you dont run spear capstone
slow saddle
Sadge
last inlet
its roar in this pic, all the dmg or just the direct?
lean geode
Me when 1% crit is better than a capstone š
slow saddle
shadow ibex
its roar in this pic, all the dmg or just the direct?
that is roar insta + dot dmg
minor gust
Story of warrior right there
slow saddle
that is roar insta + dot dmg
Ofc
last inlet
that is roar insta + dot dmg
got a link? instead of a crop?
thick kelp
wheres this from?
minor gust
on the class side
That currently our highest simming ST setup have fun.
shadow ibex
could be worse
minor gust
Stat nodes better than capstones what can I say
last inlet
yea
fresh spire
when MS took a 55-60% total buff and execute took a 40-50% buff when stacking the buffs one after another its not a supprise roar capstones are ass
minor gust
Welcome to warrior
shadow ibex
dont look at fury spec
fresh spire
when its total hit is less than a ms non crit
thick kelp
https://mimiron.raidbots.com/simbot/report/wN1n3SWPiqmXS18r4cTMSM/simc
damn bro did u name this sim profile
last inlet
was going to make the swap to arms anyways, we still lookin at crit/haste?
dim basalt
Honestly I think I like this class tree setup the most lol
last inlet
cursed fury
my brain hurts now
rare kite
thats.... kinda BS
last inlet
i see what you did there.
shadow ibex
i was hoping they buff RA again cuz i'd like to play it in raid
minor gust
cursed fury
The best part is DOI is only picked becauses there's really nothing else to pick in middle cuz other 2 are super bad
shadow ibex
AM kinda got stale
steep osprey
The best part is DOI is only picked becauses there's really nothing else to pick...
Doi SHould be changed to something else
liek crit damage during reck
minor gust
DoI is a lil better now due to new RA but like still a garbage talent node.
shadow ibex
these trees are so cursed
rare kite
liek crit damage during reck
honestly i was hoping RA would just be crit damage
minor gust
They gotta a complete spec rework and constant attention afterwards
Ofc ret is the better spec
torpid jackal
Ret is a better fury in terms of talents
thats.. actually pretty accurate
rare kite
also they just nuked odyns fury, so another capstone not taken
AND they gave onslaught a tiny ass buff, so we don't take that either
capstones in shambles
lean geode
ret gameplay feels sicko mode when you just chain DS for like 5 globals in a row
shadow ibex
idk how onslaught is a final tier ability
lean geode
And it's actual resident sleeper the rest of the time
lean geode
idk how onslaught is a final tier ability
but bro it enrages you AND gives stacks of SS (if you also take the capstone)
minor gust
Remember when they removed onslaught from UF killing any chance that ability had to work with the rest of the spec
steep osprey
yeah
lean geode
If they gave it a guaranteed UF proc that would go Brazy
steep osprey
I want something like Ret's Radian't Glory talent @minor gust
for fury
that's the Ashes proccing Wings
minor gust
And I want Templar strikes for Demolish but we can't have nice things
Imagine first two hits are half gcd and then you got the final big hit
No channel bullshit
last inlet
is Colossus going to be arms's M+ spec go to or still up in the air?
minor gust
Most likely
steep osprey
No channel bullshit
I think they should get rid of onslaught
and have fury with 3 capstone rows
AM/RA, OF, BS/RAvager
steep osprey
Well, what do you want to replace with onslaught?
minor gust
Fury has already ran out of spots to put their points cuz everything is so bad
Fury needs more choice and options
shadow ibex
i swear blizz forgot what opportunity cost means when they made war tree
minor gust
Idk I'm not a dev they need to be the ones using actual creativity when it comes to warrior
shadow ibex
like yea let me spend a talent point on dance of death
minor gust
Prob would replace onslaught with more execute love for fury.
Clearly mass and AJ aren't enough to make exe a good button
How is Slayer an execute focused hero tree and yet fury plays no exe talents but SD while using it lmao
How does Blizz not consider that a failure
eager sigil
its sudden death focused
shadow ibex
how does odyns fury still exist when it does 0 dmg
minor gust
its sudden death focused
Which is exe but I get what you mean
shadow ibex
the sudden death focus must be new
considering you didnt take that talent
until they forced you
minor gust
Tbh
eager sigil
you still got sudden deaths
minor gust
We all knew that was a bug and not intended
It just took them forever to fix and force us to use SD
shadow ibex
i feel like they shoulda examined why someone would want to skip SD
as a hero spec that is about execute
instead of just hamfisting it
minor gust
We have a perfect tier set that would fix not using SD and AOE but they would have to do something for fury
NGL should just make exe also proc reap
So maybe you don't feel as bad hitting SD in aoe
Or at least SD procs guarantee a reap proc
wide pebble
NGL should just make exe also proc reap
Was thinking exactly this as I was reading āexamining why anyone would skip SDā
minor gust
Unfortunately it will take Blizz another tier or two to finally listen to our feedback and give SD some AOE use since it tied to a fucking hero tree and we have to take it
steep osprey
went from this to this
fresh spire
olive nest
Thatās a big axe!
minor gust
Make SD proc reap and give 4 whirlwind stacks
That would make for an amazing node in the Slayer tree instead of the some of the boring nodes. Can easily make the arms version cast thunderclap instead of 4 whirlwind stacks
steep osprey
SD proccing reap is actually a good idea wtf
olive nest
Make sudden death procs also cast thunderclap
They literally already proved that was banger tierset
Make it happen
minor gust
There's plenty of places they could put it
shadow ibex
and fuck it make it only during avatar if you want
but casting ava = instant 1 SD stack
lean bough
Any useful tips for mythic Queen as an arms warrior?
shadow ibex
just a tiny teeny bit of creativity
olive nest
Imagine maintaining rend on a pack with sd procs
Literally perfect
What are they waiting for
steep osprey
There's plenty of places they could put it
SkS
olive nest
minor gust
shadow ibex
Imagine maintaining rend on a pack with sd procs
after like 8 years of an arms 1 trick i think like 99% of problems with it can get reduced to unpopular spec
lean geode
https://tenor.com/view/yes-yay-si-cool-dope-gif-9753432882020164075
Why orange man look pink
olive nest
Any useful tips for mythic Queen as an arms warrior?
What kind of tips are you looking for?
Optimizing damage, surviving, etc?
steep osprey
https://tenor.com/view/yes-yay-si-cool-dope-gif-9753432882020164075
What would you call it
What's the name of our Amirdrassil set
Molten Vanguard
Sudden Death also makes your next Execute powerfully slam the ground, causing a Thunder Clap that deals 200% increased damage. In addition, the Execute target bleeds for 50% of Execute's damage over 5 sec. If this bleed is reapplied, remaining damage is added to the new bleed.
minor gust
Think we could all agree we don't really even need the exe bleed part just the thunderclap is more than enough.
steep osprey
could be a rando talent
slayer talent
minor gust
Now if they wanna redesign arms to be a bleed build vs a non bleed build instead of MS vs Exe then we cookin
lean bough
What kind of tips are you looking for?
Optimizing damage, surviving, etc?
Any and all. I watched Shirley's video and figured out you can spell reflect the beam guy. Also you can heroic leap the ring in p3? My guild is at ~320 pulls and we're going to make our final push this Sunday
I'm looking for any tribal knowledge tips and tricks that can take me that extra mile
Things that can only be learned from experience
wide pebble
Any and all. I watched Shirley's video and figured out you can spell reflect the...
Yeah fam, great tips. Reflect is 8.89m damage and you wonāt get a de buff leaping the ring
wide pebble
I'm looking for any tribal knowledge tips and tricks that can take me that extra...
Use defensive stance during high damage phases in P3 and stay alive. Save CDs for the infests.
Pop all your defensives + reflect + defensive stance for the shackles acolyte overlap
shadow ibex
yea thats the only thing that can kill you
dont eat orbs
and commit everything to shackle
we only saw a single cast on our kill i think most guilds are skipping second set of essences
with buff + rings and ilvl
slow saddle
Sudden Death also makes your next Execute powerfully slam the ground, causing a ...
Id love this
shadow ibex
if everyone survives shackle the boss should just die shortly after assuming buttons are being pressed
wide pebble
we only saw a single cast on our kill i think most guilds are skipping second se...
Ours didnāt. I was on diamond and they didnāt position boss perfectly, and diamond didnāt spawn so I made the play to go all the way to the back right to pick up the extra essence.
rare kite
we only saw a single cast on our kill i think most guilds are skipping second se...
Same on both our kills. No 2nd circle
wide pebble
Same on both our kills. No 2nd circle
What was your boss % going into intermission?
wide pebble
With lust or without?
shadow ibex
we lusted on pull yea
wide pebble
We planned to lust the overlap but lust was popped by accident right before she dropped down during P3 so we had to yolo, but we got it
Was pretty wild
rare kite
What was your boss % going into intermission?
going into intermission or right after? can milk a tiny bit after intermission
naive sage
Now if they wanna redesign arms to be a bleed build vs a non bleed build instead...
Absolutely agree
Unpopular opinion but I love the fantasy built around bleeds
wide pebble
Take a look at my portal assignment lol https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2386163942
wide pebble
Jesus. 37% wtf
rare kite
reclear 38.7%
olive nest
37% before p2 is cookin
wide pebble
My guild started in October and now that we got a CE, Iām hoping we can recruit some slammers. We were way off that boss %
rare kite
but reclear we took our worst players off the bench to get them CE so that makes sense
olive nest
Think my guild hit 43% on our first kill but we had ring and full buff
minor gust
Unpopular opinion but I love the fantasy built around bleeds
yeah I dont really like the MS focus vs Exe focus we have. At the end of the day we still push both those buttons which is why every tier for arms feels the same. Having a bleed build vs non bleed build will allow for a larger difference in gameplay potentially. Can redesign Slayer a lil to have more bleed love aswell and colossus be the non bleed big hits. Fury has bleeds aswell afterall
minor gust
I dont either
but a lot do so the option is there
to go all in on bleeds or have no bleeds at all
would just be a tuning thing at the end of the day but the gameplay might atleast feel different when things change
naive sage
yeah I dont really like the MS focus vs Exe focus we have. At the end of the day...
This is what I thought before hero talents reveal
shadow ibex
i think a bleed focus is something for a hero tree
i just dont think it would work inside spec tree vs something else
rare kite
Take a look at my portal assignment lol https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2386163942
maan the way you are playing scares me
olive nest
Take a look at my portal assignment lol https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2386163942
Bro Iām digging that lightning effect on your cursor, is that an option in ultimate cursor WA?
wide pebble
maan the way you are playing scares me
Why? Any tips?
wide pebble
Bro Iām digging that lightning effect on your cursor, is that an option in ultim...
Yeah itās in cursor trail add-on, you can get the green circle and the trailing effect
rare kite
just movement in the beginning with the leaps and web blades
wide pebble
Welp. After 400 fkn pulls I was pretty decent at having the internal 1-2-3 clock
We were trialing people literally through the entire prog, so pull count was pretty high and I got a lot of practice
shadow ibex
yea at end of prog
i was standing in later web blades
to step into safe zone the first ones made leaving
just autopilot
since they like fyrak lines or w/e
quasi torrent
web blades got so fucking trivial if u progged the 4 blade variant
wide pebble
web blades got so fucking trivial if u progged the 4 blade variant
Man I bet
wide pebble
We had a dps deficiency on ranged side so my portal assignment was lock gate up bridge, charge to shield add, pop everything and leap to the portal, all in like 8 seconds
shadow ibex
i woulda rioted if i had to do that portal lol
i had to do second on first plat
and then maybe final plat if we didnt skip it by killing mob
wide pebble
They were like, hoarah we need you to do this. We know it sucks but youāre the man for the job. I took it and owned it, knowing that it was gonna contribute meaningfully to a CE kill
I care about that a lot more than any sort of dps window. Just make a team play
shadow ibex
wre u playing fury?
wide pebble
Yeah
rare kite
true, if people do not die the boss will
shadow ibex
not about doing more dmg or w/e
wide pebble
Both our tanks had to get b rezd at like 3%. Pukey
shadow ibex
just fury job is to kill adds on that fight
my portal put me on ranged side and i was there to kill adds skitter/beamer while they did the hanging adds
wide pebble
Well I got trinket, reck, Ava, roar and bladestorm in before the portal. That was the point. Pop everything and then leap
Then I saved OF for platform 3 per Critcakeās guide video
serene hollow
one of the sims linked on the sheet, why is there a 10% discrepancy in raid-buffed versus unbuffed versatility?
tacit crystal
mark of the wild?
serene hollow
is.. 3%?
real oracle
I'm very new to Arms Warrior - I played a bit of Prot back in Dragon Flight but I want a DPS spec and of Arms and Fury, Arms seems to be a better fit.
I'm looking the Icy Veins rotation notes (where I got this link from) and I'm confused. Can someone straighten me out on this?
The top part of "single target rotation" notes says it's for when the target is above 35% health, but #4 on the list is Execute which routinely isn't available until the target is below 20% health.
The "Sudden Death" talent would get past that. Should I be taking Sudden Death instead of Fervor of Battle (that's what the copypasta of the talents gave me).
noble oxide
Assuming youre talking about raid? If its a ST fight then yeah take sudden death. FoB only really helps if you cleave or WW, which in ST you probably wont be doing
rancid solstice
Massacre talent raises the execute threshold to 35% if thatās the confusion
shadow ibex
if you are using the m+ build with fob you wont have mass
minor gust
I'm very new to Arms Warrior - I played a bit of Prot back in Dragon Flight but ...
yes in that part of the guide execute is there because of Sudden death procs if you dont have sudden death talented or you are not playing slayer you just simply ignore that part in the priority.
real oracle
Oh. So I can just skip it if I want to use the "stock" talents for M+. Cool No problem then.
minor gust
I feel like theres more confusion here what build are you playing
real oracle
Gimme a sec and I'll copy what IV said to use.
CcEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAzMzMjZMmFLLLzMDAAAADmGmZYZYGYsMmZGMzwYGPAzwAAAAAAAgHYMLzMzAsFYssNwCYAzwEYA2A
If that helps. The "Mythic +" recommendation doesn't include Sudden Death.
It recommends "Fervor of Battle"
minor gust
im looking at the build you linked me it does have sudden death
real oracle
Wierd. I'll try again.
CcEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYmZMjZmZmFbLLjZAAAAYw0wMDLDzAjlxMzgZGGz4BYGGAAAAAAAMjZZMGgtAjltBWADYGmADwG
minor gust
ok so this is a Slayer M+ build
real oracle
There may be an error at IV. The image they show directly above the "copy talents" button I pushed to get that shows Fervor of Battle.
Yes.
minor gust
thing is with Slayer you still get sudden death procs from the hero talent even without sudden death talented
you will get a proc every time you get 3 marks for executions
real oracle
Oh. OH! Okay. Okay. I did not know that.
And that explains the noe about "3 Marks for Execution" then.
Thanks!
minor gust
which is why in the guide exe is so high up because it says to use exe when you have 3 stacks of marked for execution
yeah
real oracle
I just didn't know about the hidden procs for Sudden Death. š Thanks a ton. I appreciate it.
minor gust
yeah will change tho with 11.1 now they are forcing us to talent sudden death for that hero node to work
which makes sense atleast
real oracle
So probably go ahead and take Sudden Death now so I'm not surprised later? I mean, that makes sense.
minor gust
you can its more ST
real oracle
IT'd be the only deviation from their recommended M+ build - I can't see that it'd be a big deal.
Cool beans Thanks!
minor gust
thats a pretty old build not many people also play Slayer in keys anymore
eager sigil
So probably go ahead and take Sudden Death now so I'm not surprised later? I mea...
yea the patch is in 4 days
minor gust
but you can def play it
real oracle
FYI Is anyone getting a weird typing lag in Discord? Might just be me.
minor gust
Slayer has more boss dmg in keys
real oracle
I'm Prot at heart, but sometimes I need a DPS role and I can't stand Fury. Too . . . busy.
Thanks again, all. I really appreciate it.
minor gust
yee anytime
fresh spire
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magic canopy
Not yet fishy
magic canopy
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trim lintel
eta gg
orchid panther
misty sandal
Should we demand buffs now so that we can be a step ahead of everyone?
brittle fiber
Warrior nerfed yet
brittle fiber
i love how the model of warrior is try to have fun with its awful rotation but be superstitious that all its changes will be revereted
lunar remnant
I will agree arms is a clunky bitch
rare kite
i love how the model of warrior is try to have fun with its awful rotation but b...
Warrior is trash we ask for buffs. Warrior is good we expect nerfs 
brittle fiber
i think if colossus had better rage management it'd be the most fun melee aoe spec
single target is undeniably in the bin though
shadow ibex
you can fix rage with FB and bloodsurge but not possible in m+ build
nvm u can take them
minor gust
blue balling us waiting till next week
rich kernel
Why does col arms in m+ take Stength of Arms over Dreadnought?
rich kernel
So would a slayer m+ build also take Strength of Arms?
minor gust
Why does col arms in m+ take Stength of Arms over Dreadnought?
the choice is as simple do you want slightly more AOE take DN if you want slightly more ST take SOA
doesnt really matter to much
hardy olive
Depth or radiant power
coral crescent
there it is
rancid solstice
Warrior nerfed yet
Ye
shadow ibex
lmao
shadow ibex
didnt even make it to live
rancid solstice
snow flame
meanwhile enhacement still up
brittle fiber
next critcake video gonna be lit
frosty lava
meanwhile enhacement still up
I think arms is still ahead of enhance on ST with the 5% nerf
magic canopy
we lost about 150k dps
which isnt that even bad
well actually its a bit less then 150k
since a aura doesnt count enchants/effects ect
we're still looking quite good tbh
frosty lava
yea arms was unreasonable strong on ST, the nerf is justified
we're going to be very viable still
m+ might look ugly but what's new
errant goblet
i remember when people saying "warriors not allowed to be good" was a meme
shadow ibex
im gonna cackle
dire hinge
it's joever, now we're only 10% better than everyone else
frosty lava
it's joever, now we're only 10% better than everyone else
careful, you'll make the doomers mad
brittle fiber
i remember when people saying "warriors not allowed to be good" was a meme
started with aggrend in season of discovery reveal and all devs decided to take the same stance
austere ledge
slayer or colossus looking better for 11.1 for Arms?
brittle fiber
marginally slayer
frosty lava
slayer or colossus looking better for 11.1 for Arms?
slayer ST, colossus m+, but slayer m+ if you need the ST prio
brittle fiber
aggrend probably shared the classic warrior discord to the retail dev board and said that warriors don't deserve shit
dire hinge
colossus good for healing
austere ledge
jeez, i just decided i could play arms only to find out they got nerfed
magic canopy
i didnt ping you man
fresh spire
Shhh
magic canopy
silk spade
shaman specs broken the entire tier
shadow ibex
war cant even see live
silk spade
warrior is good and it doesnt even see patch day
shadow ibex
silk spade
ggs only
minor gust
they hit BM atleast aswell
realistically only 5% not that big of a deal should still be pretty strong
we chillin now
tough tangle
someone cue up that mage copy pasta but for warriors
dry kestrel
we chillin now
big copium
regal wharf
dreamy egret
blizzards a bunch of assholes man lol
hardy olive
Iām gonna go healing now
minor gust
yeah theres totally not a ptr or anything
gusty tangle
How much is realistically a 5% overall nerf though
dreamy egret
yeah theres totally not a ptr or anything
ptr is a fraction of a fraction of interaction
tropic raven
5%
minor gust
How much is realistically a 5% overall nerf though
5%
fresh spire
rancid solstice
Yeah about 5% roughly
gusty tangle
it canāt be that bad right
minor gust
its about 5%
rancid solstice
More or less 5%
wind quiver
and they nerf us already
better that tuning happens now rather than during first week and are you really surprised by this nerf?
wind quiver
all you could hope for was not an aura nerf but again not surprising
floral ledge
broken ass class
minor gust
because their not broken on ptr
minor gust
all you could hope for was not an aura nerf but again not surprising
this late into ptr the only changes are gonna be aura nerfs or buffs
shadow ibex
idk if we're broken. is there a large amount of war doing ptr keys?
minor gust
broken no very strong yeah
gusty tangle
coulda been 8% lul
finite wasp
U guys think arms will get nerfed
halcyon gulch
U guys think arms will get nerfed
Boy do I got some news for you friend
minor gust
boy do I have news for you
halcyon gulch
boy do I have news for you
lmao
finite wasp
Wait what
minor gust
Boy do I got some news for you friend
Jinx
finite wasp
No
halcyon gulch
yeah check announcements
finite wasp
Dont tell me
robust ridge
Literally just read the news channel, or updates channel
tranquil shadow
Is the nerf gonna impact us really bad ?
minor gust
about 5%
tranquil shadow
Is it bad or no i mean seeing warrior now i feed they are gonna nerf it more
finite wasp
God fucking damnit
raven ridge
Yeah this is looking like about a 5% nerf
halcyon gulch
Is it bad or no i mean seeing warrior now i feed they are gonna nerf it more
too early to tell, just gotta test
finite wasp
Im jk it was kinda warranted
minor gust
nothing to test just -5% of our dmg
finite wasp
Aoe was a little op
halcyon gulch
was just a minor flat dmg nerf
yeah fair i guess just to see what it feels like wiht other classses
not saying its bad by any means, arms owns
minor gust
just a round of aura tuning usually trimming the top and raising the bottom not much really massively changes
silk spade
U guys think arms will get nerfed
me when i ragebait
finite wasp
me when i ragebait
Naw dude i srsly didnt know
river ridge
both warrior specs still strong
You're not wrong, but it is ass when Mage is over here with a Group Buff, Better Group Defensives, Better Personal Defensives, Bloodlust, and two dispels (Spellsteal + Decurse).
minor gust
idk what to tell you
livid cloak
Yeah but every mage pug is actually so bad at the game they don't have any utility
serene hollow
warrior needs aoe interrupt baseline and on a 30 second cd, it makes perfect sense as a shout lol
river ridge
warrior needs aoe interrupt baseline and on a 30 second cd, it makes perfect sen...
MoP Classic soon for that.
finite wasp
Also y nerf fury it suckās compared to arms
silk spade
Also y nerf fury it suckās compared to arms
?
finite wasp
?
Dude arms overwhelmingly performs on overall dps than fury especially on padding dungeons
livid cloak
Did the ignore pain modifier get touched at all or will it still be silly low?
silk spade
xddddddd
shadow ibex
im like 1000% sure they have no idea that problem exists
thats like roughly warbringer/warbreaker levels of knowledge gap from them
magic canopy
Did the ignore pain modifier get touched at all or will it still be silly low?
still bad
silk spade
Dude arms overwhelmingly performs on overall dps than fury especially on padding...
the state of how this class performs on the minigame is completely irrelevant
coral crescent
wait so we're going to go from being 3.1 mil to like 2.9ish st? could've been far worse
charred brook
lmao how do they just aura nerf us thats crazy
we live in a simulation
"yeah u didnt test these new buffs out yet but heres -5% overall"
livid cloak
What do you think the ptr is for?
frosty lava
I mean we were too strong
finite wasp
At least we all see that arms is still alive and strong
frosty lava
the 5% is a fair and expected nerf
livid cloak
Its where they test it lol
finite wasp
It was kinda a warranted nerf
frosty lava
fury might've been a bit less justified in comparison
charred brook
i wouldnt really say warranted from everything i palyed and saw
frosty lava
but arms was absolutely op
finite wasp
It wasnt giga op over all but its aoe was pretty giga
charred brook
its just such a lazy fucking nerf
like hey heres -5% everything
boring as per usual
nothing of substance done to the class just removed some damage
frosty lava
It wasnt giga op over all but its aoe was pretty giga
our ST was potentially pushing for the #1 spot, it was a warranted nerf
silk spade
ai generated class
charred brook
i dont get if that sarcasm
somebody has to be the best ST class
why cant it be arms
finite wasp
our ST was potentially pushing for the #1 spot, it was a warranted nerf
Meh i was talking about m+ for colussus but that too slayer arms st burst was wild
coral crescent
I mean id prefer no nerfs dont get me wrong but now instead of being the roof over the stars we're competing among them
frosty lava
we were more of an outlier than just #1
coral crescent
yea
others are like 2.9ish right now we were 3.1 right? this makes us more like 2.9
frosty lava
people point out enhance/ele, but both specs were already simming about where arms is simming now post nerf
people are just dooming for the sake of dooming
m+ dooming sure
river ridge
people are just dooming for the sake of dooming
Nah they're dooming because a lot of legitmate issues with the class haven't been touched on.
frosty lava
but raid we're a powerhouse still
frosty lava
Nah they're dooming because a lot of legitmate issues with the class haven't bee...
100%
class design is ass rn
charred brook
im pretty sure a lot of people here doom for a good reason
u see finally some changes for the good and then immediately a nerf week before the patch
charred brook
who cares
frosty lava
lmao...
astral stag
Where's Warrior bloodlust
charred brook
so were plenty of other classes this tier
frosty lava
pretty poor mentality
river ridge
but our ST was too strong
IMO that's fine when we're bringing so little to the table, even in Raid.
shadow ibex
but our ST was too strong
which raid fight did you see strong ST?
was there some testing i missed after both rounds of buffs we got?
frosty lava
which raid fight did you see strong ST?
raid testing was before our large buff waves
charred brook
i dont know what these guys were watching or playing but i did not feel or see any warriors above all other classes in ST
frosty lava
our ST skyrocketed
shadow ibex
oh ok so what are you basing the strong ST in raid off of?
shrewd niche
ST was hypothetically the highest(sims)
fossil thistle
Sorry guys
frosty lava
IMO that's fine when we're bringing so little to the table, even in Raid.
#1 execute damage is almost the strongest niche possible in raid
vague plinth
Relax guys it's all gonne be fine for warrior. Don't start worrying until next week after the 8th nerf goes out.
river ridge
#1 execute damage is almost the strongest niche possible in raid
Cool, that doesn't negate mechanics, or offer additional utility to the raid. You even said it was a niche, and thats fine that our damage profile. But that doesn't bring anything unique to the board to help our raid teams out. We don't have a group move speed, we don't have the ability to prevent damage, etc.
You bring a Warrior for Battle Shout and thats about it.
frosty lava
You usually say that about most classes
you bring x for x and no more
if anything, warrior is historically more likely to see 2 spots
river ridge
Cool you've walked passed what I've said and Ignored it.
frosty lava
because of our damage profile...
because you're just yapping about a bunch of typical doomer stuff bro
vague plinth
If you bring more than 1 warrior it was usually because of execute
Then every other class in the game had better execute
frosty lava
If you bring more than 1 warrior it was usually because of execute
even fury get multiple spots in previous races for cleave niche
livid cloak
You'll bring 1 of each raid buff minimum. So you'll bring 1 warrior at least, idk what you're trying to say
charred brook
IM pretty sure the only times we saw 2 warriors was this last tier because fury burst for raid fights
and any time execute was really good during race
and that was until it got nerfed
livid cloak
Are you talking about rwf stuff where it's not applicable to 99.9999% of players?
charred brook
then they got swapped for frost dks lol
vague plinth
you brought 2 for this past one. Otherwise they were brought for the rally
river ridge
You'll bring 1 of each raid buff minimum. So you'll bring 1 warrior at least, i...
Other classes have group utility in addition to their raid buffs or other effects that impact how you engage an encounter. A Paladin brings Dispels, Blessings, etc. A shaman has Windrush, A druid has Stampeding Roar, etc.
frosty lava
Are you talking about rwf stuff where it's not applicable to 99.9999% of players...
this argument doesn't work because anything outside of RWF is nerfed enough to simply bring the best player after bringing raid buffs
river ridge
We have a really poor Raid Defensive, and a group buff.
livid cloak
this argument doesn't work because anything outside of RWF is nerfed enough to s...
That's my point
vague plinth
with rally being nerfed though, you don't bring two for that reason anymore. And you may have brought 2 warriors but you brought 3-4 of something else lol
runic tundra
Can we just get this back
NAH
charred brook
u dont want this
runic tundra
imagine uptiming that again
charred brook
like u think u want this
runic tundra
15 is already pain
frosty lava
with rally being nerfed though, you don't bring two for that reason anymore. And...
3/4 of the raid is predecided for mandatory buffs already, bringing 3-4 of something else is extremely rare and would only be done for 1 class at most
smoky kayak
fossil thistle
Yea it was back when fury was good in legion
But, making up for 3 dead raid members during execute phase was 
vague plinth
3/4 of the raid is predecided for mandatory buffs already, bringing 3-4 of somet...
not very rare lol
frosty lava
https://www.reddit.com/r/CompetitiveWoW/comments/1duu39x/wow_rwf_compositions_fr...
notice how recent raids are more spread out equally since recent expansions now have almost 15 required spots?
river ridge
arms would go sicko mode with it tho
It would be a repeat of Condemn. Good damage when you can execute, absoutelty pitiful damage everywhere else. Pass.
frosty lava
I'm not talking about SL where maybe 10 slots were mandatory
or before SL when even less than 10 were
charred brook
It would be a repeat of Condemn. Good damage when you can execute, absoutelty pi...
yeah would only be fun when ur really popping off
frosty lava
I'm talking about TWW
charred brook
the variance would rly suck
fossil thistle
Bring back skull banner š
vague plinth
notice how recent raids are more spread out equally since recent expansions now ...
by equally you mean 2 or more of everything
river ridge
I'm not talking about SL where maybe 10 slots were mandatory
But the point I and others are making, is that we shouldn't have to just not have the utilty that other classes have. Other classes have additional bonuses AND get to have good damage profiles. Its not a zero sum game like it was in Vanillia/TBC.
vague plinth
the only buff that changed was shaman and you still bring 2 maybe 3 of those lol
frosty lava
But the point I and others are making, is that we shouldn't have to just not hav...
warriors don't need anything more in raid, that sheet also shows that despite not having all of these crazy raid movement/defensive buttons, we still see multiple tiers with 2 or 3 warriors being brought
there are 13 classes too, having 1 per raid is not a bad thing
not everyone can be the main character every tier
that's not how shit works lol
vague plinth
And in those same raids you brought at least the same or more of another class lol
if it was just warrior stacked then ok lol
fossil thistle
Someone find a mythic queen kill with at least 5 warriors pls
frosty lava
oh so
vague plinth
but those warriors were also pre nerf rally
river ridge
warriors don't need anything more in raid, that sheet also shows that despite no...
So than why do other classes get more utility and we don't? Why did other classes even gain additional utility and we haven't?
vague plinth
ya you brought 3 warriors for short rally
frosty lava
rally is supposed to be our extra utility, and it's hard to tune because it's either underpowered, or way too overpowered
river ridge
rally is supposed to be our extra utility, and it's hard to tune because it's ei...
Yet Darkness recieved a buff to it in Low-Man Content, at the same time Rally was nerfed.
vague plinth
and now that it's bad, you have to essentially have more damage to justify more than 1 and that's it
frosty lava
and now that it's bad, you have to essentially have more damage to justify more ...
most classes follow this rule
the only time this isn't the case are niche examples
it's not like your bringing 4 rogues for their util, it's the same as warriors, you bring more if they pump
vague plinth
what I'm saying is very rarely has it been the same case for warrior
now that it is the case, it gets nerfed multiple times
frosty lava
https://www.reddit.com/r/CompetitiveWoW/comments/1duu39x/wow_rwf_compositions_fr...
this isn't very rarely imo
frosty lava
what are you yapping about man
we've either been brought for good tuning or rally is good yes
that's how it goes for every class
vague plinth
ctrl + f "rally"
shadow ibex
lmao
frosty lava
wow it's almost like things change in response to feedback every expansion
vague plinth
warrior could cleave pretty well with 2 boss on sire with massacre
shadow ibex
we still did less than other specs. that was absolute bottom state of warrior
vague plinth
but it wasn't for execute which warrior is literally the class with that ability lol
shadow ibex
i would bet anything if whoever got WF could go back they wouldnt have ran 2 war
i mean we had the weakest execute that tier
vague plinth
the time before that where you brought a warrior for execute was ghuun pre azerite nerdf
shadow ibex
i wouldnt look at class comp of WF kill to try and say a class is good
x2 war on sire and we were by far the worst dps of that tier
like its not even a contest
vague plinth
That was also when rally was good
dire hinge
fun tier though
river ridge
Fight encounters do impact which classes get bought (Fury's a great example of this with the current tier). But if Warriors don't have good tuning, they're relegated to not being bought.
We saw Warrior see play in Shadowlands cuz Rally was absolutely busted, in addition to us having a good damage profile. But you look outside of Shadowlands, and unless Warrior is super pumping with a damage profile we're usually releagated to one spot.
shadow ibex
maybe it was rally maybe best geared dps they had access to was war cuz they thought it was a fight for us
vague plinth
but warrior could also solo run orbs on ghuun so that was fun
shadow ibex
but i wouldnt say oh x2 warrior its good
river ridge
And even than I don't give a rats ass about RWF. I care that I could re-roll to another class, have similar or better damage and have a ton more utility for my raid group. That isn't crazy to you?
vague plinth
I would be fine with warrior if it was dog shit utility, middle to low consistant damage then just out of this world execute tbh
but some classes consistent is the same as our execute it feels like
or close at least
what I'm saying is I miss legion warrior haha
river ridge
what I'm saying is I miss legion warrior haha
At least we didn't have to talent our utility back then =/
severe haven
Nah no point in 2x warrior anymore I think
shadow ibex
anything not a spec ability is gonna do 0 dmg
bladestorm already dealing slam level dam
severe haven
Oh well midnight rework waiting room
olive nest
Cool aura nerf now buff things like Bladestorm, roar, etc
shadow ibex
just remove roar and spear
severe haven
And Demolish
severe crag
Burn it all down and start again?
rugged cypress
Do we have our S2 BiS yet?
vast surge
Iām down for a spear removal but youāll never take my foos ro dah
rare kite
Do we have our S2 BiS yet?
No, we will get our s2 BiS when s2 comes out
severe haven
Spear is the most interesting ability this class got since forever
rugged cypress
No, we will get our s2 BiS when s2 comes out
thanks
severe haven
For it doesn't just do more aoe dmg
brittle fiber
hey it's not that bad guys, at least we don't have to use Sks in single target right
clever wave
was our tier set bugged?
restive jay
Why are you guys dooming about a 5% aura nerf when warrior was comically overtuned on PTR
Better to take a small nerf now than get overnerfed in a couple weeks from community outrage
rare kite
was our tier set bugged?
Huh? No, why?
rare kite
Why are you guys dooming about a 5% aura nerf when warrior was comically overtun...
I expected more ngl. Tho blizzard should have followed my plan and nerf only arms
thick hamlet
rare kite
Good
dull tendon
But the real question is.... does 'arms own'?
runic tundra
But the real question is.... does 'arms own'?
does arms own what?
a 2004 Toyota Corolla?
dire hinge
Arms and fury
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10g479vXesC382k68gw4akUKeuGUodbDho0yhKK6Eh0w/edit?usp=sharing
rotund topaz
Those are some big numbers holy, ty for the link
thick kelp
pre nerf numbers
dire hinge
true, doom it up a little bit
drop two 0's off the end and post on redit that it's joever
thick kelp
Warrior is fucking broken guys shut up please. Imagine playing a class that always does insane damage.
Not the mention melee is just a super easy role in the game. Never punished, always broken trinkets. Its just not fair.
Try playing balance druid or resto druid for a change š you would litterally want to find a rope within 4 minutes of gameplay.
5% nerf, just play 5% better who tf cares lmao
finite wasp
nah dude we agree with you, that nerf was defenitely warranted and arms is still pretty damn strong
hexed saddle
Warrior is fucking broken guys shut up please. Imagine playing a class that always does insane damage.
Not the mention melee is just a super easy role in the game. Never punished, always broken trinkets. Its just not fair.
Try playing balance druid or resto druid for a change š you would litterally want to find a rope within 4 minutes of gameplay.
5% nerf, just play 5% better who tf cares lmao
frosty lava
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10g479vXesC382k68gw4akUKeuGUodbDho0yhKK6E...
why are these fury sims using the 730 ilvl tier pieces from PTR lol
minor gust
Warrior is fucking broken guys shut up please. Imagine playing a class that always does insane damage.
Not the mention melee is just a super easy role in the game. Never punished, always broken trinkets. Its just not fair.
Try playing balance druid or resto druid for a change š you would litterally want to find a rope within 4 minutes of gameplay.
5% nerf, just play 5% better who tf cares lmao
finite wasp
ok guys you can stop with the copy paste its kinda cringe
frosty lava
Warrior is fucking broken guys shut up please. Imagine playing a class that always does insane damage.
Not the mention melee is just a super easy role in the game. Never punished, always broken trinkets. Its just not fair.
Try playing balance druid or resto druid for a change š you would litterally want to find a rope within 4 minutes of gameplay.
5% nerf, just play 5% better who tf cares lmao
dire hinge
why are these fury sims using the 730 ilvl tier pieces from PTR lol
couldn't tell ya
might be a tooltip bug, the actual Full HTML report has the proper ilvl
next vessel
why is finishing blows taken now? Or should it have been taken last season and im trolling
dire hinge
they're buffing it next patch, not worth it currently
rare kite
it's just bleeds getting nerfed next patch. finishing blows is unchanged
next vessel
thanks!
bleak fog
I give it ~2-3 weeks in (S2) and we will be bottom again.. 0 trust in how Bliz sort stuff.. We are to strong after the 5% nerf aswell..
dark nymph
is there any sheet that show all classes simc for ptr ?
magic canopy
why is finishing blows taken now? Or should it have been taken last season and i...
next patch finishing blows is roughly the same value as a point in Bloodbourne, and i feel like makes the flow of execute phase even smoother with increased importance of opportunist
latent moss
why is finishing blows taken now? Or should it have been taken last season and i...
within variance with 1 bloodborne point but it makes the gameplay smoother
dull turtle
When will this company stop to put a finger in our &@ā¬ every patch ?
rare kite
When will this company stop to put a finger in our &@ā¬ every patch ?
that nerf is tiny, we are bingchilling
dull turtle
that nerf is tiny, we are bingchilling
Im afraid that is just the beginning of the same story
rare kite
we were simming quite a bit higher than others
yep, and we're still above them. just not as much ofc
latent moss
for now
thick kelp
we are below bm hunters and ww's
latent moss
we will get shot at some point (after rwf)
umbral gyro
Fury now better than Arms huh?
thick kelp
oh and enh shamans
gaunt owl
we will get shot at some point (after rwf)
spoiler getting kneecapped during first week
latent moss
we are below bm hunters and ww's
is bm still dysfunctional at aoe
rare kite
we are below bm hunters and ww's
are we actually behind bm now? they got an 8% aura nerf. not surprised about WW tho
ww st big good
latent moss
funny how
thick kelp
I just woke up
rare kite
mornin
latent moss
ww went from 0 st massive aoe
thick kelp
but bm hunter was simming 3.3
rare kite
but bm hunter was simming 3.3
they're still ahead then
latent moss
spoiler getting kneecapped during first week
week 1 execution (arms reference)
come back ppaww
rare kite
isnt havoc busted or did i not read patch notes
was because of a bug. that got fixed now
thick kelp
dk stonks up
latent moss
u played arms in 10.2
thick kelp
Uh was doing numbers in ptr
latent moss
u can play it now š
thick kelp
now they got 5% aura
latent moss
was because of a bug. that got fixed now
ah fair
thick kelp
AldrachiReaver
Fixed an issue causing Wounded Quarry to double-dip with Thrill of the Fightās damage bonus and Mastery: Demonic Presence.
only double dipped?
everyone was saying it was doing triple the damage
but in reality only doble
gaunt owl
come back ppaww
gameplay same
thick kelp
so its still good
gaunt owl
i wont get fooled by the numbers
eager sigil
yea dh is still good
rare kite
AldrachiReaver
Fixed an issue causing Wounded Quarry to double-dip with Thrill o...
does that read as double dipping two different things?
eager sigil
dh also got good funnel
latent moss
so its still good
how is cleave with full st talents its good right
dire hinge
i wont get fooled by the numbers
numbers are magic from nerds who use spreadsheets to hurt people's feelings, I'm here to press Mortal Strike
latent moss
i remember seeing tmy sim
latent moss
arm
latent moss
arm take cleave instead of fin blows or smth
gaunt owl
numbers are magic from nerds who use spreadsheets to hurt people's feelings, I'm...
š
latent moss
wonder if its ever worth over just going fury
latent moss
numbers are magic from nerds who use spreadsheets to hurt people's feelings, I'm...
colossus st in big 2025
pearl jasper
Nerfed again? Thanks blizz
hardy olive
r we still good ?
wispy field
kinda lame balancing tbh, i really think blizz is clueless
how did fire mage dodge nerfs
and i mean bladestorm/odyns fury hit like wet noodles
real vault
So we prob back into mid
Dk uh was simming at 1m9 
woven wasp
Dk uh was simming at 1m9 <:critcake:984549832511344640>
That sounds like they're still using s1 gear
real vault
Yeah the set ahah
gusty oxide
5% is very minor
real vault
5% aura nerf is not rlly a 5% nerf, maybe something like 4,6
icy mulch
5%, that's better than i thought they were gonna do.
cloud gyro
We are chilling guys lets relax
icy mulch
I was expecting more targeted nerfs. Like 20% to certain abilities, or revert of some buffs.
halcyon valve
Hopefully this means we wont get nerfed again upon season start
sharp wyvern
This means they are happy with our DMG profile
untold pewter
We're big chilling
untold trench
Nah, it just means this was the ez fix
untold pewter
Nah, it's mostly what ravon said
A little blanket nerf because we were high without really affecting builds or stuff
icy mulch
I think the worst part is that Fury still didn't see anything done to compensate OF for killing the link in Titan's torment
OF now for sure a dead talent.
untold pewter
Fury is still fine nonetheless but we don't really care about Fury in this channel
real vault
It was alrdy sure mate
untold trench
OF now for sure a dead talent.
They just struggle to remember OF was a weak button in itself: because it could be doubled up with no GCD cost
It will take time, but they will fix it sooner or (more likely, a lot) later
real vault
Look at our roar, its barely a baby cry now
untold trench
5% overall, isn't it? Seems like that is where they want it
sharp wyvern
Guys they finally want us to change talents so we don't use roar in every situation and your mad ?
You can't even argue that you have to stand in spear anymore
untold trench
Spear is more annoying and RNG value
icy mulch
But we will use roar every fight, cause spear is still ass.
real vault
Who used spear as arms 
real vault
halcyon valve
Who used spear as arms <:Whuh:1072540013033697292>
Colossus on silken court
icy mulch
Even in collosus, spear was extremely niche.
cloud gyro
Spear on global gives me ligma
icy mulch
Prot was the only one that used spear on a regular basis, and that was more utility than dps.
untold pewter
Tbh I don't dislike spear anymore, not sweating if it's superior in some cases
weak rain
what is that spear talk? do we spear now? actually laughing at roar/rend dmg after 5% aura nerf
untold pewter
Man I'm just happy we're dumping SkS for good
What a shitty button, I hate that thing
icy mulch
I highly doubt spear will be the play since it is hard capped. The dot from roar still isn't hard capped.
weak rain
not like it does anything anyway
icy mulch
Or I should say that spear is just drastically more limited than roar.
I mean, if they both end up being shit, I guess that opens up points to take utility.
rare kite
I mean, if they both end up being shit, I guess that opens up points to take uti...
gonna play roar with no capstones
rare kite
am i blind?
their tier got nerfed
rare kite
had to be one broken ass tierset hahah
long timber
so.... how it looks for us? bad or bad?
rare kite
so.... how it looks for us? bad or bad?
we good
icy mulch
The shadow priest set being nerfed wasn't s surprise either.
5% aura is fine. Certainly not doom zone.
icy mulch
Well its 5% vs othrr melees gettin buffed?
Dk got 5% buff, but it really doesn't move either much. They'll still be close comparatively.
slow saddle
Ye so relatively a 10% change
icy mulch
The gap went from:
[---------] to
[------]
icy mulch
Didn't get to see many dps DKs on the ptr. Most were testing blood.
slow saddle
Fuck dk!, they had their tier. Let team zugzug shine
slow saddle
So?
Its not rocket science
But ye. Fdk prob still better than us in keys worse in raid
glossy tusk
But ye. Fdk prob still better than us in keys worse in raid
yep
its so boring cuz i only care about m+
icy mulch
I can see a really strong physical damage comp forming now.
Prot Paladin, Disc Priest, Arms warrior, BM hunter, and either Rogue or enhance shaman.
slow saddle
Only fdk i like is 2h without breath
Tjat shit i enjoyed
It was like arms but with big hits
quaint otter
I can see a really strong physical damage comp forming now.
Prot Paladin, Disc P...
Feral
slow saddle
Enhance will be strong 100%
icy mulch
I'd need to see some more data on feral. Could be good, and the vers buff is nice.
thick kelp
I can see a really strong physical damage comp forming now.
Prot Paladin, Disc P...
swap disc for mw
quaint otter
It has cr decurse soothe etc
latent moss
motw
quaint otter
thick kelp
mw is no joke
icy mulch
I don't think Brew master got enough love to steal the spotlight.
thick kelp
2nd best healer
quaint otter
brewmaster chatting
If only brewmaster wasnt dogshit id plwy it myself
velvet crater
Hi yall!
I'm only just returning to warrior after maining ret since DF s2. Our raid team needs a buff, and noone else taken up the job. I've mained warrior for 13 years tho, so I was more than okay with the pick.
Now tho, looking at those last minute nerfs, drained all the excitement. Were we really that strong on PTR that they had to nerf both specs? Or is this the classic Blizzard pulling shit on warriors jsut for the sake of it?
icy mulch
PI target will still be the play.
quaint otter
Can literally facetank 14 sv with brew now
real vault
Hi yall!
I'm only just returning to warrior after maining ret since DF s2. Our ...
Both
icy mulch
Hi yall!
I'm only just returning to warrior after maining ret since DF s2. Our ...
You mained Ret, you are dead to us.
rare kite
So we were more than 10% ahead of fdk in dungeons?
in keys fdk prob ahead. in raid we are bingchilling
latent moss
colossus arms save us
thick kelp
Hi yall!
I'm only just returning to warrior after maining ret since DF s2. Our ...
we were that strong (in sims)
real vault
latent moss
bro i do NOT trust those spreadsheets
rare kite
Hi yall!
I'm only just returning to warrior after maining ret since DF s2. Our ...
those nerfs are a slap on the wrist. you can relax
slow saddle
That puts us below ret
real vault
Ty Warbreaker for killing us
quaint otter
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/669961355427577958/1342642333946085532/im...
Deez
slow saddle
I mean enc
latent moss
they do 0 research
icy mulch
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/669961355427577958/1342642333946085532/im...
If it was actually 30% yeah, it would be tine to doom and revolt.
real vault
If it was actually 30% yeah, it would be tine to doom and revolt.
Soon
latent moss
we will get shot dw
slow saddle
Bout 150k less dmg
velvet crater
Well, I wouldn't even mind being like a mid tier numbers wise if the class finally got a rework, and some care to its range
quaint otter
Bout 150k less dmg
More
latent moss
arms will overperform on random boss number 4 and both will get shot
icy mulch
Hi yall!
I'm only just returning to warrior after maining ret since DF s2. Our ...
To be honest, we'll be fine with the 5% aura nerf. Play whichever of the two dps versions you enjoy the most.
icy mulch
Soon
Nah, this raid doesn't look like it's gonna be as perfectly fitting for our dps profile.
slow saddle
To be honest, we'll be fine with the 5% aura nerf. Play whichever of the two dps...
Ah we fine, its more that just coz we on top
thick kelp
o7
quaint otter
5% of. About 3m? Rough estimate? 150k?
When u change % of ability damage u need to count in more modifiers like avatar cs etc which is complicated
slow saddle
When u change % of ability damage u need to count in more modifiers like avatar ...
But not white hits
latent moss
ye and raidbots accounts for all that
slow saddle
Ppl usually say aura nerfs is less than the 5%
quaint otter
Ah
latent moss
it is
candid pecan
yes its 4.125% (I have no clue) 
quaint otter
gaunt owl
When u change % of ability damage u need to count in more modifiers like avatar ...
some stuff arent hit with aura nerf actually
slow saddle
Just below enc
quaint otter
some stuff arent hit with aura nerf actually
Nah i was thinking peeps talk about 30% nerf meme
latent moss
pretty sure 9k is variance at these numbers
slow saddle
Well main q is, who looses the most st in m+ spec
gaunt owl
gonna be fun when Arms is gonna be mid on wlogs anyway
quaint otter
Mm had to chose between full aoe and st this season too
latent moss
gonna be fun when Arms is gonna be mid on wlogs anyway
noobs playing
quaint otter
No clue about next
candid pecan
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/669961355427577958/1342642333946085532/im...
spreadsheet? where? (I'm genuinely curious)
icy mulch
gonna be fun when Arms is gonna be mid on wlogs anyway
Yeah, too much wide spread cleave and forced down time.
candid pecan
I see
red pond
what hero talents will win on warrior 11.1 do anyone know?
warm ore
Dw guys, theres still one tuning week yet to come. - Thats where we will get killed. Look forward to that
eager sigil
what hero talents will win on warrior 11.1 do anyone know?
slayer for raid
quaint otter
what hero talents will win on warrior 11.1 do anyone know?
Most likely same as now slayer raid colo m+
red pond
thanks all ā¤ļø
warm ore
<:medge:869468644743200829>
icy mulch
I doubt they do much more tuning to us. Maybe some very specific buffs or nerfs.
untold trench
Depends. Do we top meters in HC dungs? 4 nerfs in a row, that hit even after we are underperforming
icy mulch
Something for roar or spear. Maybe a MS pvp nerf, (cause we know those clowns cry the loudest when War is good).
Has Spear seen any buffs at all this expac?
rare kite
no
icy mulch
Only nerfs. Hmm
rare kite
tho spear gets indirectly buffed when other things get buffed
icy mulch
Kinda, but we still won't use it more than once or twice.
untold trench
Spear gets better when: we get more crit%, when abilities that hit within its duration is strong and when roar gets weaker relatively to the rotational buttons.
Poor roar 
sacred zodiac
did yall see the warrior nerfs? can't believe they'd not allow warrior to be decent middle-lower of the pack for 1 patch cycle. this is bullshit @quasi torrent @dawn stag what do you think
wont even get brought for battleshout its that bad ..
eager sigil
dawn stag
did yall see the warrior nerfs? can't believe they'd not allow warrior to be dec...
its so fucking stupid
weak rain
I blame crit for not sandbagging on ptr
halcyon breach
did yall see the warrior nerfs? can't believe they'd not allow warrior to be dec...
silk spade
balle
slow saddle
I blame crit for not sandbagging on ptr
100%
plucky fern
people who are shocked by 5% aura nerf probably are new here, its a warrior classic being nerfed last minute
icy mulch
I blame crit for not sandbagging on ptr
Blame Crit for getting PI and old Aug buffs.
plucky fern
i would be shocked if this didnt happen
also theres heroic week nerf as well dont forget
plucky fern
yep arms is gonna be good on like one single fight and blizzard is ready for it
silk spade
no heroic week
plucky fern
-10%
slow saddle
Coz im guessin our old tier is pretty strong
Heroic dungeons im not thay scared
Fury in heroic dungeons was madness
icy mulch
Our old tier being what S3 DF?
slow saddle
<:keks:936231610850897992> Our old tier being what S3 DF?
I loved that tier
Execute and get aoe