idk why they remoed ep
#arms
shadow ibex
That was like 12 days
shadow ibex
Uldir had a lot of arms fights but we were a lil under tuned
ripe field
Where should I look for basic ST/AoE Arms rotation
quasi torrent
Uldir had a lot of arms fights but we were a lil under tuned
nah we werent
affli and frost dk
were just overtuned
๐
eager sigil
Where should I look for basic ST/AoE Arms rotation
Wowhead
steep osprey
were also tailored for arms
like the blood fellow?
eager sigil
Mostly just press stuff on cd
steep osprey
for 2 target
quasi torrent
timers worked well + 2 target
steep osprey
right
shadow ibex
The blood guy was a perfect arms fight but you could still be beat by other specs is what I mean
But yea all the timers were nice for arms
Zekvoz spawned adds and back then we had wb and bs with every spawn
quasi torrent
i NEVER played 3x LOW on zekvoz
with my mythic merekthas fang
surely not
and then after smallies died
u had 3x guys that u walked to boss to
so extended 2 target
xd
steep osprey
remember 1000% DW buff?
steep osprey
steep osprey
that's dn isn't it
shadow ibex
Week 2 they killed it and made dw
shadow ibex
Yea
quasi torrent
uncapped funny
shadow ibex
Was fun
quasi torrent
thunderous blast in m0 week aswell
steep osprey
i remember seismic wave but i don't rememeber it's damage
shadow ibex
It was broken week 1
quasi torrent
then was nerfed and if u ever pulled an azerite with it on u were cooked
great one
steep osprey
i never padded
what's that green trinket
shadow ibex
Yea did like 1200 dmg
steep osprey
there was the injection one
quasi torrent
u had the syringe
steep osprey
crit passive
quasi torrent
which was balls for a long time
shadow ibex
Oh yeah
quasi torrent
the DISC
shadow ibex
Never got tha
quasi torrent
silly aoe in front of u (that did 0 dmg)
steep osprey
the gorilla one was trash but it looked cool lol
steep osprey
every fucking tendril trinket in this game is trash lol
shadow ibex
Gorilla one was best for arms st iirc
steep osprey
there was one in ulduar
shadow ibex
I remember using a socket one
steep osprey
grongs was basically draught of souls but shitty because no damage scaling
shadow ibex
It was also just bad trknket tier
steep osprey
yeah uldir and bod were both shitty trinket tiers
quasi torrent
i got a WF everchill anchor on my first yayna kill
steep osprey
then u get ep with corals
steep osprey
i got a WF everchill anchor on my first yayna kill
enchor was good for dps specs too
like fury
in m+
quasi torrent
love how this guy was fucking dogshit
steep osprey
anchor
shadow ibex
Remember the plate pants
quasi torrent
mccan incident
silk spade
inkpod my beloved
shadow ibex
The plate pants with the dmg proc
quasi torrent
inkpod when it didnt crit
steep osprey
from nazjatar?
quasi torrent
halcyon breach
steep osprey
I still have coral in my bank
shadow ibex
Nah pants from 2 boss raid
quasi torrent
<:angery:1283896011751686267>
rude
silk spade
was fun to look at the boss' hp when it reached the inkpod threshold
quasi torrent
stealing my emote from my guild discord
quasi torrent
was fun to look at the boss' hp when it reached the inkpod threshold
inkpod meme.mp4
shadow ibex
And the trinket that did self dmg
quasi torrent
they were not no
shadow ibex
With the mast buff
steep osprey
the haste trinket was craz
quasi torrent
recalibration card tho was king
silk spade
i dont remember any nya trinkets
quasi torrent
severly undersued by noobers
steep osprey
the wings one too
quasi torrent
i dont remember any nya trinkets
steep osprey
it wasn't that good but it looked cool
silk spade
toment in a jar was shit iirc
quasi torrent
psychic shell was so op for tanks
steep osprey
yeah i remember that being used in pvp lol
steep osprey
humming black dragonscale was cool
similar to aberrus trinket
I feel like wow doesn't really innovate on trinkets
or make them exciting
it's always the same things
steep osprey
there are some exciting ones like inkpod
zinc wolf
Insta death trinket
silk spade
I feel like wow doesn't really innovate on trinkets
well they made our bis tirnket as annoying as possible
this season
(transmitter)
quaint otter
hate the concept best trinkets being raid only
frosty lava
bring back SoO and ToT style trinkets bro
zinc wolf
hate the concept best trinkets being raid only
Well its the highest end content technically
void bay
I feel like wow doesn't really innovate on trinkets
I think they really do within the parameters they have....but it also makes them annoying....transmitter and IQD are irritating to use
silk spade
hate the concept best trinkets being raid only
you like waiting months for the good dungeon trinket to show up on your vault or
zinc wolf
people would argue having best trinket behind dungeon is worse
quaint otter
Well its the highest end content technically
its boring ass shit
boreal quartz
Trinkets are shit if they arent opc OWS 
zinc wolf
OWS 
boreal quartz
you like waiting months for the good dungeon trinket to show up on your vault or
Egg
frosty lava
OWS + Gland overkill haste was a dream
boreal quartz
OWS + Gland overkill haste was a dream
Inshallah
shadow ibex
When that dev interview said oh sometimes we make this trinket with X with an eye to it being good on Y fight of the raid my fuckin mind was blown
frosty lava
or OWS + Sigil + gavel for infinite burst
shadow ibex
Cuz I never seen that play out
boreal quartz
Way better than the BSL stuff
quaint otter
people would argue having best trinket behind dungeon is worse
i can deal with having 626 trinket than not having one at all
zinc wolf
Tbh wow players are capable hating anything good or anything bad
So it doesnt matter what devs do sometimes
quaint otter
having no alternative in m+ sucks
silk spade
i can deal with having 626 trinket than not having one at all
skill issue
frosty lava
if their plans for pacing on the dinar tokens are well thought out and isn't rushed/delayed, I think m+ players will be much happier
quaint otter
skill issue
blizz designers yep
boreal quartz
skill issue
600k for transmitter pls
quasi torrent
and casters (once again) got a turbo op trinket
quaint otter
and casters (once again) got a turbo op trinket
THAT WAS RAID GATED
I DONT HAVE IT ON MY ELE AFTER 17 WEEKS OF CLEARING
boreal quartz
and casters (once again) got a turbo op trinket
At least it was aids to use for em
frosty lava
and casters (once again) got a turbo op trinket
dw bro, next season we finally get a... another 90 second stat trinket...
boreal quartz
Die on 40
quasi torrent
then u press it on ur last cds
silk spade
spymaster on speed kills omegalul
quasi torrent
(or pull, 2nd cds, last cds)
boreal quartz
Tbf it's not hard to use
But at least it has bad people punished
Just like transmitter
quasi torrent
dw bro, next season we finally get a... another 90 second stat trinket...
i mean this is better than what it was early ptr
when it was all 2min trinkets
quasi torrent
we wouldve been even more cooked
frosty lava
yea
quasi torrent
should have introduced a dungeon 1.5m trinket
having 2x str 90s on use trinkets in dungs in s1
and then having none in s2
is good
wdym
steep osprey
lmfao
frosty lava
fuck the anti borrowed power gang, I want an expansion long trinket with a cap on how powerful it can get that's tied to our class/specs next xpac to replace hero trees
frosty lava
is no dungeon 90s trinkets
or an affix that reduces CDs but not trinkets
quasi torrent
this is the warrior nerf
frosty lava
this is the warrior nerf
daring heron
is no dungeon 90s trinkets
just get house of cards from raid or the 1.5m trinket from delves
frosty lava
are you OCE?
silk spade
this is the warrior nerf
normal
quasi torrent
i am EU on ptr
frosty lava
ah fair
daring heron
this is the warrior nerf
204% ms buff inc confirmed?
quasi torrent
and they moved it from east coast to west coast
frosty lava
I'm oce and basically just dont test cause of it
quasi torrent
for some rsn
steep osprey
just get house of cards from raid or the 1.5m trinket from delves
let me just spam map delves for a rng trinket
quasi torrent
so i dont get 130 but 200 now
daring heron
ohhh is that why my ptr ping is even higher
frosty lava
need some sort of client side PTR option that puts your character in a single player area with a local server for good ping when testing damage
probs unrealistic as fuck if I knew the reason why it's restricted but
I can cope
frosty lava
Im OCE but PTR is just US isnt it
quasi torrent
ohhh is that why my ptr ping is even higher
feels awful ngl
frosty lava
na that one was funny as fuck
silk spade
that trinket was ass
silk spade
shriekwing goated boss
probably my favourite first boss
sivara close second i think
frosty lava
na man favourite boss has to be sludgefist in a raid comp with max 4 melee
frosty lava
stop
steep osprey
imagine sludgefist with legion BC
silk spade
na man favourite boss has to be sludgefist in a raid comp with max 4 melee
that is not a first boss
silk spade
fair
steep osprey
what's the worst first boss and why is it the one in BoD @silk spade
silk spade
and i remember people were pugging it on mythic killing it in like 30 seconds or some shit
silk spade
lmao
steep osprey
it was so easy you'd think it was a trash pull before a boss
frosty lava
Torrague was pretty lit, shame we couldn't choose each power like a risk of rain 2 kind of menu
frosty lava
shit like that should be done on every 1st boss
steep osprey
-100% dps from shit power rng tho
frosty lava
really goofy stuff that doesn't work on serious bosses
silk spade
first boss on the new raid looks kinda cool
frosty lava
like imagine next raids first boss was like a giga RNG boss with slot machines (3rd last boss on roids)
frosty lava
where each fight has random ability orders and completely random combos each time
boreal quartz
probably my favourite first boss
Tarra bis
Or mythic vigilant
Padlordx
Anything below M vigi is the Worst
silk spade
i fucking hate shadowlands
frosty lava
vigilant was really good for fury's profile
silk spade
dont even remind me of that time
boreal quartz
i fucking hate shadowlands
๐ป enduring blow ๐ป
median scroll
the boss will suck ass
frosty lava
boss needed to be 1st boss with turbo rng
steep osprey
so true
frosty lava
could've been way more
silk spade
๐ป enduring blow ๐ป
i did not play this class back then
median scroll
liquid / echo will figure out best combination and the boss will never be played differently
frosty lava
bosses are ok ig, theme is s tier
silk spade
boss needed to be 1st boss with turbo rng
real
silk spade
liquid / echo will figure out best combination and the boss will never be played...
council of blood moment
frosty lava
but things could change last second and some bosses could be cool as fuck
like halondrus type shit
steep osprey
fuck halondrus
median scroll
council of blood moment
more like innerva darkvein
frosty lava
halondrus before bomb duration was nerfed from 8 sec to 30 sec was peak
boreal quartz
i did not play this class back then
๐ป conduit energy ๐ป
frosty lava
actually no
frosty lava
fury had to deal with auto charge on halondrus from crushing blow
boreal quartz
๐ป Maw dailies ๐ป
boreal quartz
๐ป Korthia ๐ป
steep osprey
I liked korthia actually
median scroll
any torghast enjoyers
steep osprey
i completed all the things in it
frosty lava
torghast was fun
steep osprey
and got all mounts lol
silk spade
I liked korthia actually
frosty lava
korthia was fun too until you were doing it for the 50th time cause alts
I miss the daily collection shit with borrowed power, but I understand why it cant exist anymore
median scroll
bro there is legit a wowhead "korthia daily checklist"
silk spade
farming sockets was cbt
median scroll
fuck korthia
frosty lava
daily checklists are lit
boreal quartz
farming sockets was cbt
++
frosty lava
bring me back to BFA catchup
steep osprey
at least i got all mounts in korthia
boreal quartz
at least i got all mounts in korthia
I mounted your mom all night in korthia
frosty lava
I was in school tho and it was covid so I had infinite time
steep osprey
silk spade
I mounted your mom all night in korthia
steep osprey
https://tenor.com/view/cat-shoo-away-gif-13653609800890535042
I fucking love this gif
boreal quartz
https://tenor.com/view/cat-shoo-away-gif-13653609800890535042
You're mother is next
steep osprey
you're
silk spade
edit it again lil bro
thick kelp
steep osprey
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1055196260329590874/1320668978732859402/b...
I knew what was gonna happen before i even saw the gif
steep osprey
i have it favorited
frosty lava
oh man 2nd boss ruby life pools with like everything lining up as arms was like
a dream
thick kelp
its always vdh's
steep osprey
they never pre defend themselves
silk spade
its always vdh's
ofc it is
steep osprey
dhs
median scroll
bring me back to BFA catchup
any forced pvpers for blood of the enemy
silk spade
any forced pvpers for blood of the enemy
frosty lava
any forced pvpers for blood of the enemy
real type shit (I hated pvp back then too so this makes me mad)
frosty lava
essences were really cool in concept like
if it supported alts
you literally had reason to play the entire game
silk spade
beam as dh was very funny
steep osprey
double beam
steep osprey
beam as dh was very funny
dh baseline damage was also very funny
steep osprey
remember rock boy
quasi torrent
why does demolish not immune the pushback on 3rd boos meadery man
good way to lose a cast
icy mulch
@fresh spire Still no word on nerfs or stupid shit? Can we peek out of the hiding place?
shadow ibex
We are both nerfed and not nerfed
mighty lance
How are we doing on PTR and stuff?
void bay
Terrible. Need a massive buff or we wont get into any raids.
lunar remnant
How are we doing on PTR and stuff?
Both specs are pumping from what Iโve heard and personally tested fury on PTR, can say if buffs stand we will be in a good spot. Still lack utility though. So how desirable we are in keys is yet to be determined.
wheat lagoon
Both specs are pumping from what Iโve heard and personally tested fury on PTR, c...
Target cap on Fury will keep it below Arms. Just a fact of M+. To make up more time, you do bigger pulls.
lunar remnant
Target cap on Fury will keep it below Arms. Just a fact of M+. To make up more t...
Yeah I agree Arms will be the go to m plus spec
Raids idk I havenโt tested
Plus I was a fury 1 trick last season so canโt really comment much on arms
wheat lagoon
Seeing that Fury lost its burst. Arms may be better than Fury in raid too
shadow ibex
It's always fight design
mint shell
M+ wise, does slayer bayblade still remain viable or did the sudden death changes fuck it into the ground and i gotta go colloss now?
in 11.1
eager sigil
both work
colo will be better probably
but that doesnt matter until you get to title keys
mint shell
ok tnx
quaint otter
M+ wise, does slayer bayblade still remain viable or did the sudden death change...
Bladestorm is negative damage button what u mean remain
mint shell
bladestorm ye, reap the storm tho is uncapped aoe
i ran quite high ST/prio dmg + EB to spam cleave for the uncapped aoe, worked out in the overalls, especially if there were some MDI pulls
silk spade
reap is not uncapped
olive nest
Flavor of the month about to be flavor of the week for these arms re rollers
Blizzard ainโt letting this slide war too good
silk spade
Flavor of the month about to be flavor of the week for these arms re rollers
fury heroic week incident
shadow ibex
Flavor of the month about to be flavor of the week for these arms re rollers
3 dozen ppl play this
silk spade
more people will play arms if it's good
then they will realize it plays like shit
maybe shines some light on it and they change the spec
copege
quasi torrent
then they will realize it plays like shit
wdym its peak ???
shadow ibex
then they will realize it plays like shit
Exactly
Even if it's good it plays like dog ass
219 cleave casts
silk spade
wdym its peak ???
me when stockholm syndrome
quasi torrent
im #1 arms hater
silk spade
ok based
latent hull
I dont like pressing demolish during ravager but then im wasting getting demolish stacks
quaint otter
6 cleave modifiers
6 BALLS modificators
quasi torrent
๐ ฑ๏ธalls
olive nest
โฝ๏ธ ๐
shadow ibex
Someone make that pot of greed meme
But it's cleave
I cast cleave with enduring blow and seismic reverb which allows me to cast two more cleaves
Which allows me to cast one more cleave
dry kestrel
hey does demolish work with sweeping strike?
serene hollow
the first 2 hits do, the final hit is aoe and does not
If I understand the interaction correctly
dry kestrel
ah i see thnx
hollow plover
whats the current longest time we should hold bladestorm atm for colossus smash vs colossus smash and avatar?
do we have a table for it somewhere?
lean geode
For 11.0 or 11.1
hollow plover
live servers
hollow plover
ive been re-learning arms while boosting heroic runs
and the spec feels so shit
i need to know when to send bs
when to hold
i have like no muscle memory for arms atp
tacit crystal
i think as long as its not more than 10 for ava
you are fine
parsing as arms is just having 7-9 stacks of jug in execute
lean geode
live servers
You can check the APL here https://github.com/simulationcraft/simc/blob/thewarwithin/ActionPriorityLists/warrior_arms.simc#L177
I'm at work rn so can attempt to transcribe that into plain english shortly once I'm freer
hollow plover
I also feel like there's probably a lot of logic to the priority system of arms that i didnt get yet
tacit crystal
in what sense
hollow plover
like idk yet how important natty mortal strikes are with no buffs
olive nest
6 modifiers go brrr
hollow plover
i know its a priority system type shit
but the logic of it isnt ingrained into my brain yet
ykwim?
olive nest
Yes
tacit crystal
not really no
olive nest
Ms on cd is like 90% of the way there
hollow plover
Im also the type of player that doesn't learn from being shown a priority
i need to understand the logic behind it
why something deals more dmg
Let's say bladestorm's back up, colossus smash in 2 sec and MS is up at the same time as collosus smash
im not entirely sure if i should cs>bs or cs>ms>bs
type shii
hollow plover
or lets say rend falls off during bladestorm, do i rend or ms right after bs ends
this type of stuff
hollow plover
Am losing my mind
tacit crystal
sounds like you need to hit the dummy and see what does more damage
hollow plover
sounds like you need to hit the dummy and see what does more damage
that is not how classes work anymore
due to modifiers
my guy
hollow plover
I have been
strange perch
Its like minor diffeeences you just listed doesnt matter frfr
tacit crystal
oh doing this made me do more damage over time
strange perch
Diffeeeeeeences
hollow plover
Its like minor diffeeences you just listed doesnt matter frfr
I dont enjoy playing on a "doesnt matter fr fr" level
strange perch
Doesnt matter
hollow plover
oh doing this made me do more damage over time
Yes but you can only get rough estimates from target dummy hitting due to high variance, sims give better answers
but sims dont give me enough visual feedback
to learn
type shii
tacit crystal
sure but the only eeason for you to hit the dummy specifically is to see what to press at certain points since according to you being shown a priority list doesnt work
hollow plover
sure but the only eeason for you to hit the dummy specifically is to see what to...
priority lists give me rough ideas, not total understanding
thats the issue
tacit crystal
so hit rhe dummy
hollow plover
hitting the dummy also does not give me a full understand
strange perch
I am unsure of what the issue to be completely honest
hollow plover
yes duh ms hits hard who woulda thought
strange perch
Like what is the problem you are having
tacit crystal
or lets say rend falls off during bladestorm, do i rend or ms right after bs end...
like this is answered by playing the spec
strange perch
Just the ms cs bs scenario and the rend stuff?
tacit crystal
and trying again and again on the dummy
hollow plover
Just the ms cs bs scenario and the rend stuff?
was just an example
Arms, i feel, is such a dogshit spec that situations like this occur so often where you have to decide between 3 buttons to press and trying to understand which one is more useful at every point is what im getting at. I don't learn from being told "this is better", i learn from being explained why something is better
and its not "this hits harder"
theres too many modifiers
for that to always be the answer
olive nest
Well thatโs sort of the point of the priority right
hollow plover
Well thatโs sort of the point of the priority right
yes and i want to understand the logic of the priority
for example
olive nest
The priority teaches what button is most important to press even if you have 3 at the same time
hollow plover
I understood why execute at 3mfe's or 2 sd procs is good
Thats why i know when to press execute
if i didnt know
olive nest
The logic of the priority is to achieve the highest amount of damage at the end of a specific duration
Typically a 5 minute single target simulation
tacit crystal
then play more
strange perch
Well for your 2 scenarios atleast you want to cs>bs if you will get another bs during the encounter if not do the ms first and for the rend thing you dont want to bs in the first place if your rend is going to run out exceot if the boss is like on 2%hp
hollow plover
The logic of the priority is to achieve the highest amount of damage at the end ...
no shit sherlock
olive nest
Thereโs nothing else to understand is the point.
hollow plover
Thereโs nothing else to understand is the point.
let me give you a fury example
a priority in aoe is
bloodthirst > raging blow
if u show me this
without explaining why
then i wouldnt learn it as well
as being shown why
in this case, reap
bloodthirst > raging blow in aoe because of reap the storm
olive nest
Yes you would, because the logic of the priority system is to achieve the most amount of damage
So in scenario: aoe, bloodthirst > raging blow gives the most amount of damage
hollow plover
yea
if u show me this
I wouldnt learn it as easily
as when you show me
bt > rb does more in aoe, on average, due to reap procs
with the logic attached
the explanation attached, i mean
tacit crystal
then ready every talent point until you understand why to press a button
olive nest
I was about to add that, if you want to understand why the priority is the way it is you would have to understand how each talent interacts with each ability
hollow plover
then ready every talent point until you understand why to press a button
yea why not put in maximum effort when there might be someone willing to explain it in very easy to understand words
olive nest
Fortunately there are people who dedicate tons of their personal time to figure out the optimal priority for us through apl maintenance and tons of simulations
So you donโt have to read every single talent and understand there interactions
idle heart
you press 1 then press 2 and sometimes press 3
olive nest
โ โ
hollow plover
you press 1 then press 2 and sometimes press 3
now this is some sound advice
idle heart
tacit crystal
i mean you cant have both
hollow plover
but the logic
tacit crystal
without putting in effort
tacit crystal
specs arent hard to learn?
olive nest
So youโre trying to understand how they create an APL in a sense?
How each talent interacts with each ability to understand why you press X at Y scenario
hollow plover
yes, but i dont plan on checking each interactions numbers, its enough when someones already but in the work
so like
hollow plover
gio pls
listen
the apl
the github apl
shows the priority
and talents
show the numbers
without including the priority
shadow ibex
Because the dpr is better
hollow plover
i need something in between for optimal learning
tacit crystal
only thing in between is having someone watch you play and hit the dummy
telling what to press and why
or watch someone play and think of their next global
i was watching my friend play wl
guessed like 95% of his casts before
olive nest
I think he wants to understand why each ability is in the position it is on the priority list. The only way to know that is to literally read every talent to learn how each one interacts with each ability and then create a simulation to test your โtheoryโ of what you think is best
tacit crystal
which is what i said to do ๐
olive nest
Thatโs the entire point of โtheorycraftersโ they figured this out for us
hollow plover
the thing is
just reading every talent isnt enough information
to figure everything out
dire hinge
just push buttons
tacit crystal
^
olive nest
Yes it actually is, that is the starting point for understanding the theorized APL
tacit crystal
i learned destro in 10 minutes read wowhead for 5 and streamed me hitting dummy to friend
idk
just play game
press button
win
shadow ibex
I feel like talents makes it self explanatory. Why do I use op over ms when I have oppor
dire hinge
do whatever works for your own brain, but don't prescribe that method to others (everyone learns differently)
shadow ibex
We also only have 3 buttons at any given moment. Ms op and cleave/slam/exe depending on target health and count
There isn't much of a reason needed to say why you use MS in aoe. Cleave is on cooldown
olive nest
Why do you press cleave when op and ms are available in an aoe situation,
Simple cleave will net the most damage in that global. Why will cleave net the most damage in that global, read and understand talents that modify each ability separately and use math (simulations) to determine this outcome
I feel like this guys supposed form of โlearning a specializationโ is a bit exaggerated
tacit crystal
i think it sounds like 0 effort
hollow plover
I already have a basic understanding
tacit crystal
idk
hollow plover
from putting in basic effort
my thing is that i really want to learn the specifics
shadow ibex
The apl is the specifics
finite mantle
I specifically said so
tacit crystal
I specifically said so
hi
shadow ibex
It even says cast OP over MS while under 2 charges of martial prowess and opportunist buff
olive nest
Again if you want to know why X button is the best option in Y scenario you have to understand how each talent interacts with each ability with the goal being most damage dealt
olive nest
And again, fortunately people dedicate time to figure this out for us
dire hinge
https://tenor.com/view/gillyun-imdabes-wtf-music-video-gif-3871575
bless this video
shadow ibex
It even says cast OP over MS while under 2 charges of martial prowess and opport...
I think this is as specific as it can get without telling you the the AP of each button
tacit crystal
I was trying to find the like a baby dolph splash gif but couldnโt
robin
hollow plover
the shit im trying to learn also are scenarios like one individual mob is left, you can either execute or ms, you have one stack of the execute modifier, which spell do u go for?
and yes i am testing and putting in the effort
i just know people already tested it
at some point
its easier to ask for specifics sometimes
olive nest
Does the priority list explicitly state to only MS a single target if you have two stacks of the execute modifier?
olive nest
Does it tell you to mortal strike a single target before execute if both are available regardless of modifiers?
olive nest
And there you go we fall back to the priority list
hollow plover
yea but execute is possibly only better because it generates modifiers, not because it potentially hits harder in a vacuum
tacit crystal
no?
olive nest
No it isnโt possibly better because itโs already been figured out that MS would do the most in that scenario
That is the entire point of the priority
tacit crystal
im willing to record myself hitting the dummy for 1 hour
and answer every question
hollow plover
No it isnโt possibly better because itโs already been figured out that MS would ...
the execute prio list doesnt even mention MS outside of modifiers lol
tacit crystal
yeah
thick kelp
im willing to record myself hitting the dummy for 1 hour
please do that
tacit crystal
exactly
tacit crystal
the answer is
you dont press it unless you have both conditions
BECAUSE IT SUCKS
tacit crystal
please do that
would you watch :3
thick kelp
the apl does probably
olive nest
Well yes it does, it says to only MS if you have two stacks of EP and two stacks of the tier set if you do not meet those conditions you keep executing
thick kelp
Here is the only mention of MS without modifiers in execute phase
๐
Here is the other mention of MS
hollow plover
Well yes it does, it says to only MS if you have two stacks of EP and two stacks...
and im saying that execute might only be mentioned above MS because execute generates a modifier
and my autistic ass
for example
wants to test
execute vs ms
no modifiers
tacit crystal
then hit the dummy
hollow plover
last gcd
tacit crystal
??????
mint shell
OP is higher prio because it generates modifiers and also you can waste it after procing it with any rage spending abiltiy
Execute is your highest baseline skill, especially when you're rolling jugger stacks, so it's allways a better global untill all modifiers on MS align when MS is a better global, both in dmg, and in not wasting the 2x 2x modifiers
hollow plover
ye
hollow plover
then hit the dummy
yes
olive nest
no modifiers
Again you can do this but it has already been figured out for you
tacit crystal
like
hollow plover
Again you can do this but it has already been figured out for you
Yes
thick kelp
tacit crystal
yarp
olive nest
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/842201708230344727/1055487345337577522/...
Oh I am so yoinking this one!
thick kelp
walhe would you watch me hit the dummy for 1 hour
no
tacit crystal
wtf bro
hollow plover
Idk yall keep yapping as if im tryna complain or something similar, all i said was that I want to learn and understand
dire hinge
there's a lot of pressure to do things "right", but yeah you can play the game however you want to. If you're looking for a truthful answer backed by math, it's in the APL.
dire hinge
nobody can tell you how to play your $12-15 USD/mo ๐ Do whatever you want imho
hollow plover
I thought I was trying to rationalize your logic fairly well
you joined in late you dont count
tacit crystal
Not โyappingโ
:yapping:
waxen elbow
@fresh spire hi
fresh spire
leave me out of this
strange perch
<@140264255302664192> hi
FUXK MAN KKYLNSKSIWIIWIEIEIEIEOO8788E8373K3K
fresh spire
lean geode
Idk yall keep yapping as if im tryna complain or something similar, all i said w...
I'm on lunch rn so I was gonna talk APL but it seems like this conversation has ballooned a bit 
hollow plover
I'm on lunch rn so I was gonna talk APL but it seems like this conversation has ...
all good
does the APL include scenarios like enemies dying before starting new combat and similar unique scenarios that basically no one cares about?
olive nest
Well thatโs where you would apply โlearned logicโ would it be optimal to follow the priority, yes! Could I do more damage now by sending my highest hitting ability before the last mob dies, maybe? Thatโs using your best judgment based off your understanding of the priority and the unique scenario
strange perch
i play pokemon go everyday
tacit crystal
i play pokemon go everyday
๐
hollow plover
Well thatโs where you would apply โlearned logicโ would it be optimal to follow ...
bro
The priority list itself doesn't include scenarios where mobs die
unless you check the apl
tacit crystal
so just do the rotation?
hollow plover
so just do the rotation?
non
rare kite
The priority list itself doesn't include scenarios where mobs die
it doesn't need to?
hollow plover
it doesn't need to?
ye im aware
thats why i said its something i have to figure out
or ask someone who already figured it out
rare kite
I CAN'T
quasi torrent
press kill button
hollow plover
press kill button
dire hinge
trust robot
thick kelp
trust robot <:gladge:963970137701109820>
what if writing the robot myself made me doubt my skills and I cannot trust it anymore
dire hinge
back to the training dummy for you 
soft sapphire
Hey guys, question. My raidleader wants to know, how much of a % dps boost the 2set and 4set is giving me. Any1 got any idea how I can find that out?
tacit crystal
more than evoker
soft sapphire
thanks
quasi torrent
what if writing the robot myself made me doubt my skills and I cannot trust it a...
real kings fully ignore RB on fury cleave
(i want my reap procs and tb procs true)
quasi torrent
Keep pressing cleave buddy
lean geode
Me when bt is the filler
steep osprey
rampage is the filler
shadow ibex
What if you got to heaven and god said you used rend instead of tclap on st
steep osprey
so real
steep osprey
What if you got to heaven and god said you used rend instead of tclap on st
what if you get to heaven and god said you complained about slam as a filler
dire hinge
im ramping
sage badge
thick kelp
susge
steep osprey
im ramping
i thought this was dps and you were sandbagging too hard lol
dire hinge
resto dps goes cwazy
dire hinge
i just work here ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
steep osprey
sandbagging too]
thick kelp
u are inspiring them to give us banner spec warrior
dire hinge
lean geode
glad stance bannerman 
(I did not play during the time where either glad stance or necro banner were a thing)
wooden prism
still playing crit/haste in 11.1?
lean geode
Ye
shadow ibex
<:keks:936231610850897992>
Yea ngl that one is pretty good
naive breach
im ramping
stealing healing logs SMH
dire hinge
raiders hate this one weird trick (not dying)
fresh spire
Demolish is just groundslam with 2 wsrcrys
steep osprey
lmfao
lean geode
Demolish is just groundslam with 2 wsrcrys
ground slam doesn't root you for 2 seconds ๐
steep osprey
ground slam doesn't root you for 2 seconds ๐
demolish doesn't root you that long unless you don't have any haste lol
lean geode
Kinda bait at least for the generals cry builds innit
lean geode
demolish doesn't root you that long unless you don't have any haste lol
Allow me to xddChat in peace please thank you
steep osprey
lmfao
Demolish is NOTHING compared to poe2 mace skills
NOTHING
holy shit was that bad
lean geode
Idk why I thought league starting with titan slams in poe2 was gonna be a good idea
I was in actual hell
steep osprey
i mean titan would have been very fun if it was like poe1
but they made everything so damn slow
with stuff like using boneshatter on prestun
so it actually fucking works
like what is this
where's my simple sunder spam
earthquake taking 3 seconds to pop
lean geode
I remember seeing a sunder build on like day 2 or 3 that was actually pretty decent
Slow as piss ofc because of the cast time
THAT was demolish tbh
But it was based around like multiple aftershocks to proc stun and armor break and shit
steep osprey
the diff between poe 1 and 2 "mace skills" is like light years
poe 2 mace skills titan is playing poe 2
while everyone is playing poe 1
steep osprey
https://tenor.com/view/hammer-mhw-gif-24949476
it's even worse than that lmao
shadow ibex
Maybe with fotm rerollers complaining we can get demo movement
Instead of us two dozen
steep osprey
But it was based around like multiple aftershocks to proc stun and armor break a...
yeah that's so annoying
and this isn't all
armor and life is so bad
it's like shit on top of shit on top of shit
how did no one forsee this
olive nest
https://tenor.com/view/hammer-mhw-gif-24949476
These are peak moments!!!!
fresh spire
Maybe with fotm rerollers complaining we can get demo movement
Holy shit
Time to change sims to colossus. Have all fotm conplain and reroll away
steep osprey
krispy
lean geode
Time to change sims to colossus. Have all fotm conplain and reroll away
Look at what warlocks and moonkin get when they sandbag, you and Walhe need to follow their lead
rare kite
Maybe with fotm rerollers complaining we can get demo movement
i feel like it takes alot for arms to be fotm. fury becomes fotm real easy
rare kite
the poe league? no, it's weird. after playing poe 2 i do not want to play poe 1 anymore
rare kite
i hate crafting xD, socket system and flasks in poe 1
rare kite
i agree
distant jewel
Is arms going to be the spec to play season 2 for mythic plus? New to the game and want to practice now if it is lol
halcyon breach
Prepare both if you care enough
steep osprey
^
halcyon breach
You can easily play one of the two specs that you enjoy the most, unless you play really high end or deeply care about playing the most optimal on a per scenario basis
lean geode
It never hurts to be more prepared
There's a very good chance arms/fury/both get nerfed before raid launch
So being flexible (and having gear ready as well) is strictly beneficial
fresh spire
Look at what warlocks and moonkin get when they sandbag, you and Walhe need to f...
Post 0 public logs and only screenshot with 0 buffs
lean geode
Post 0 public logs and only screenshot with 0 buffs
Me when I share my favorite cropped screenshot of my rogue alt
fresh spire
steep osprey
Totally not ilvl
fresh spire
Mythic gaming surely
lean geode
What can I say I'm a rogue god
Definitely not just blindly following hekili
Do the BM sims still say 2.3 btw
Bc that mf is surely at like 3.5 in reality
steep osprey
Bc that mf is surely at like 3.5 in reality
it's 3.3
unborn canyon
lean geode
Before or after the bugfixes the other day
steep osprey
what other day
lean geode
what other day
Yesterday or day before idk
steep osprey
Aren't sub and shadow also like 25-30%
I think so yeah
steep osprey
Aren't sub and shadow also like 25-30%
I'm not sure if blizzard ever launched a tier set iwth 30% dps before lol
lean geode
I want to say enhance in like s3 was 14% or something
boreal igloo
anyone got a oppo wa
lean geode
Fury was about to be like 50% and some insanely degenerate gameplay but they pulled the plug on that one
steep osprey
yeah but that has been the case for tier sets before
steep osprey
Fury was about to be like 50% and some insanely degenerate gameplay but they pul...
fury was insane lmao
I remember
lean geode
anyone got a oppo wa
boreal igloo
https://discord.com/channels/148872210742771712/148898720803586048/1341861165931...
๐
lean geode
fury was insane lmao
Me when I ramp bb bb for 5 minutes straight and top meters by 25%
boreal igloo
should i even be tracking anything else?
boreal igloo
fading aspen
i noticed the wowhead guide shows to take fierce followthrough over overpower, is that an error or more just preference?
teal fossil
One simโs better for some
fading aspen
ahh
lean geode
FF is a lot easier to play though
fading aspen
makes sense more crit means better ff uptime
lean geode
So for most people it's either theoretically better, practically better, or both
rare kite
don't worry next patch everyone is gonna take opp. no contest @fading aspen
lean geode
And the difference is like less than 1% either way
minor gust
That's only if we don't get nerfed and all the form rerollers leave to go play BM
rare kite
tbf they prob go to bm anyway, assuming it's somewhat close to arms
shadow ibex
Yea idk why yall worried
olive nest
Exactly that
shadow ibex
Gonna be 39 arms parses
minor gust
I member day one of last season had 12 arms parses?
Even after the arms buffs most people only played arms this tier out of fun or boredom of fury.
slow saddle
Even after the arms buffs most people only played arms this tier out of fun or b...
100%
Thane is on avg in pugs way better than arms col or slayer
shadow ibex
Even after the arms buffs most people only played arms this tier out of fun or b...
i mean even seasons when it was better
fury has more parses
its just not a popular spec at all
minor gust
Mhmmm
trim lintel
minor gust
It's crazy too because warrior is a popular class
shadow ibex
i thought it was one of the least
minor gust
Everyone is fury so you would think we would get more attention
But here fury hasn't had real capstone talents since conception.
They were a lil better in DF but in TWW it's a fucking mess for fury
thick kelp
Fury aint getting more attention cuz its gameplay loop is too good for the audience who plays it
minor gust
Ik but like the fury talent situation is also pretty fucking bad just like arms
minor gust
They just got perfect gameplay
shadow ibex
odyns does like 8 dmg
last inlet
that can be said for almost every class? because if you think this is bad.....
minor gust
Every class and spec has problems that's true
shadow ibex
that can be said for almost every class? because if you think this is bad.....
the 90 second cooldown capstone abilities in our class tree do less damage than a single use of mortal strike
rare kite
that can be said for almost every class? because if you think this is bad.....
can it tho? warrior only class that hasn't received a rework since dragonflight?
lean geode
Ik but like the fury talent situation is also pretty fucking bad just like arms
I love not taking any capstones
shadow ibex
i dont think ANYONE has anything like that
last inlet
can it tho? warrior only class that hasn't received a rework since dragonflight?
be glad they didn't look at MM.
shadow ibex
and yes we're the only class yet to receive a rework
rare kite
fury could take 3 more capstones, but they are shit
minor gust
and yes we're the only class yet to receive a rework
Technically we've seen multiple but a rework in Blizzards eyes for us is just moving shit around
shadow ibex
this is damage per execution time
last inlet
yeah, nothing up ended and just splattered on the wall tho.