arms becoming void spec or earth warrior pls
#arms
rare kite
slow saddle
And sweepin strike baseline
slow saddle
Thats what we got
steep osprey
arms becoming void spec or earth warrior pls
Arms should be like poe slams
earthshatter
etc
Aftershock too
minor gust
Ononononononoonon
spiral coral
Arms should be like poe slams
I really like this
rich kernel
warbringer?
steep osprey
I really like this
Or they could make a new spec called Marauder
slow saddle
Barbarian
karmic ledge
Sweet baby Jesus thank god
rare kite
warbringer?
it's a pvp talent. naming very similar to warbreaker, and sometimes blizzard calls warbreaker warbringer
karmic ledge
Good catch I saw that in one of the notes and was like "wtf" did they not learn from pi?
slow saddle
Just to make us sad
dim basalt
man I just had the sickest court pull ever
Had 2.6M dps before the 2nd intermission
Almost 15 jugg stacks for the entire fight
...
I will never have such an insane pull ever again
minor gust
Now play Colossus spear on court and let your parse be in the heart of the cards on wether or not you crit during dmg amps
fresh spire
š
minor gust
I tried roar Fishy I'm sorry didn't beat my spear pull shame.
boreal remnant
give me back cs resets
steep osprey
I played in tier 1 of Cata just now last year
steep osprey
Killed sinestra then got bored
steep osprey
why play cata when MoP is just around the corner
Arms Cata is a top 5 dps spec, MoP arms isn't
boreal remnant
assuming another 6 months before 11.2 that would be pog timing
steep osprey
not even close
minor gust
Play neither and play SOD where 2h fury has better gameplay than current arms
boreal remnant
Arms Cata is a top 5 dps spec, MoP arms isn't
true but mop arms is fun af
wicked aurora
Eh I prefer arms as is now over cata
steep osprey
big slams
wicked aurora
cata too slow
steep osprey
I mean cata arms is good but I do prefer this one
good for it's time
great eve
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steep osprey
warlocks never really tanked in mop
dim basalt
Now play Colossus spear on court and let your parse be in the heart of the cards...
Ive tried colossus for a few pulls but I find it kinda awkward on that boss
steep osprey
it was a weird niche
steep osprey
Can't wait for warlock tanks in MoP
I love Destro in MOP
probably my favorite spec in mop
wicked aurora
all the movement
minor gust
Ive tried colossus for a few pulls but I find it kinda awkward on that boss
Idk I've found it smoother than Slayer. You can pretty much send shit on CD and it will still line up for amps
minor gust
Should be bringing vengeance back so maybe people would actually like tanking again
wicked aurora
hope they nerf vengeance lol
wicked aurora
Should be bringing vengeance back so maybe people would actually like tanking ag...
real
minor gust
No one likes having to do all the things tanks have to do while also only doing a 3rd of a DPS dmg
Tanking is fun when your keeping up with your dps
wicked aurora
I mean it's not like you have to do a lot as a tank
pure otter
On god if im getting pounded to the point of 8 months pregnancy i demand the right to piss hard enough to drown a horse
steep osprey
Tanking is fun when your keeping up with your dps
I disagree with that
wicked aurora
it's just not fun when you don't feel powerful
hard cedar
What is the class cooldown for triggering Wayward Vrykul's Lantern for Warrior?
pure otter
instead i get to be an imortal trashcan
wicked aurora
Tanks imo should be like 70-75% of a DPS
minor gust
What is the class cooldown for triggering Wayward Vrykul's Lantern for Warrior?
I would assume avatar
Press your buttons and test
wicked aurora
It doesn't hurt anything to allow tanks to deal damage and or be self sustain machines
misty sandal
It doesn't hurt anything to allow tanks to deal damage and or be self sustain ma...
Almost like a gladiator or something...
wicked aurora
Bring back glad stance although that wasn't a tank thing that was converting to a DPS
minor gust
I disagree with that
Whatever it is they just need to focus on making tanking and healing fun. That should be Blizzards top priority because both those roles have been becoming less and less fun every tier
wicked aurora
Whatever it is they just need to focus on making tanking and healing fun. That s...
it was pretty damn fun in DF
but weirdos that don't tank complained about stupid shit
minor gust
Healing is prob the bigger one that people quit
wicked aurora
"oh I love it when tanks make me wait 5 minutes while they solo the boss"
don't die then idiot
minor gust
I've known so many healer mains over the years quit to dps
dim basalt
Idk I've found it smoother than Slayer. You can pretty much send shit on CD and ...
Youre right, its really close but it works
Kinda satisfying
minor gust
have some fun and play spear with it and look at big demolish number in dmg amp
20 million crit feel good
minor gust
completely disagree spear is very much nice to use now after the changes
all the cringeness about it is gone
dim basalt
I wish it was off the gcd ngl
minor gust
never gonna happen if we cant even get SS off the gcd
dim basalt
SS bothers me less
minor gust
it should bother you more š
dim basalt
Needing 3 gcds to prepare big dam feels horrible
rare kite
why in the world does SS bother you less? you press SS 3x as much as spear
dim basalt
Because I dont pair it with x other cds at the same time all the time
minor gust
ima delete that I went full silly goose
dim basalt
How so
Colossus is still too far behind Slayer next patch
Tho you could argue that it has less rng which evens it out
Or do you mean because some bosses are actually colossus favored
dim basalt
Its not as bad as some make it out to be yeah
Dunno, maybe colossus actually is better on some fights
I can see it for third boss depending on how adds spawn
4th as well
dim basalt
For sure
shadow ibex
But we take those
minor gust
which is why we prayge the incoming arms nerf is a Slayer only nerf
autumn folio
for the current season end, would you recommend slayer or colossus for M+? im sure yall have said this before, im thinking of making the switch from fury
shadow ibex
I don't think we will get nerfed
A pretty gross melee to stack that doesn't bring anything when more than 1 is invited
dim basalt
for the current season end, would you recommend slayer or colossus for M+? im su...
Defo colossus
autumn folio
Defo colossus
cool! ill try it out
minor gust
im just expecting a nerf so im not hurt when it happens and happy when it doesnt
shadow ibex
They still need to answer for dance of death
minor gust
warrior dont survive ptr or week 1 at this point
shadow ibex
And I hate the middle of our tree. Just take the least shit dps increases
I swear I want rend to be a choice node
rare kite
I swear I want rend to be a choice node
that would be really nice. make it a choice node with deep wounds and just make our mastery a debuff with no bleeds
shadow ibex
Idk what with but the more I mess around with the trer
The uglier middle is
You've got a few mando like impale and the OP shit
And then you go do I want EB BB sks finishing blows or do I want aoe stuff
One day bleeds will be so bad we can skip rend 
topaz geyser
Hey guys, I fell a bit behind on the Season 2 changes. What are we going to play, Fury or Arms?
For M+ and Raid
shadow ibex
I'd rather not giga buff it tbh lol
minor gust
Ngl think they should redesign arms talent tree to be a bleed build vs a Non bleed build instead of MS vs Exe
can redo a bit a Slayer to be more bleed focused while colossus is the non bleed focus
shadow ibex
It's such a mess
Look to shaman and see OK they pick do they wanna be lightning or lava lash and all that
Whereas we just move down the tree skipping the shit stuff
minor gust
yeah not all talent trees are created equal unfort. Think that was def the design idea for hero talents. to give specs more gameplay diversity to carry the lack of it in the core spec talents
shadow ibex
I guess it's good there are no trap options in war tree. If you aoe u get cleave if not you only skip sks and 1 bb or fb
With st spec you practically have everything you want. You don't need cleave so a third of our mid tier is blank
dim basalt
Is it just me or does bloodlust also feel so much better on colossus
cuz of MS resets
rare kite
I guess it's good there are no trap options in war tree. If you aoe u get cleave...
a new player might think storm of swords is good, but i'm being pedantic
dim basalt
Wait, I think thats the silken build specifically
Does Colossus usually take battlelord in ST?
minor gust
no
shadow ibex
Not now but next week
dim basalt
oh well
minor gust
specifically for court
minor gust
TWW Arms is incredibly boring without BL and EB
dim basalt
ye
shadow ibex
It's rough
Still surprised unhinged tyranny will continue
Both hero specs slamming the same talents
minor gust
idk unhinged is the only thing keeping BS useful in ST they really just need to remove that valor talent above BS and Ravager so its one less point or hell even better make rav/BS and unhinged in the middle row of the tree instead.
shit or you know what even better why isnt Rav/BS in the class tree instead of roar or spear. Rav is already a spell in all 3 specs... and 2/3 has bladestorm
shadow ibex
i was thinking
put BS higher up and make it fuck
and CS at bottom with an iftk cap node
silk spade
shit or you know what even better why isnt Rav/BS in the class tree instead of r...
true
minor gust
like isnt it just weird that all 3 specs have ravager in their spec trees
shadow ibex
Avatar should be higher in class tree. After tr and spear I'm against any more dmg in class tree
minor gust
spec trees all have spots being used for the same abillity
shadow ibex
Cuz they have to be buffed whenever we get actual ability buffs
shadow ibex
I think it is dumb all 3 have ravager tho. It's not the end of the world but it's a little tacky/inelegant
rapid bronze
does anyone remember if warrior was good in MoP?
shadow ibex
But shaman all have primordial wave too
olive nest
does anyone remember if warrior was good in MoP?
Warriors always good
shadow ibex
Warrior was fine in mop. Probably best version of fury but very easy to ruin your rotation
rapid bronze
hmm, kinda tempted to roll a warlock for MoP classic but I dont want to miss on warrior if it was good at the time
shadow ibex
It's very obtuse. Have to go into a CS windows with resources ready
You only got RB charges if BT crit
rapid bronze
oof
shadow ibex
Yea
And I wanna say it stacked once? So you go into a CS windows with 1 ready and this was back when fury rotation was BT filler filler BT
And berserker rage was a dps cool down since it insta granted one charge
You had to play very conservative. All ur dmg was cs windows. Much better to have an empty global than to RB and not have charges ready when CS was back
This was before to AM as well
HS existed too so you wanted max rage to get max HS casts inside CS so not only did you have to play conservative with rb charges but rage as well
Probably the most complicated fury iteration imo. Multiple rage spenders and super rng with crits powering your rotation
dim basalt
why wl
shadow ibex
Arms had like 3/4 versions in mop alone
Crit was so important for fury I memorized how much rating you needed for 1%
quasi torrent
S word???
rapid bronze
I don't know if it's a community lore thing but people always look back at warlock in MoP as peak class design
shadow ibex
Every 600 crit was 2% bt crit chance so worgen was dumb hot
rapid bronze
I remember reading the blog of that warlock designer and it looked like they put a lot of thought into it
quasi torrent
Every 600 crit was 2% bt crit chance so worgen was dumb hot
ok furry
rapid bronze
they also had metamorphosis IIRC
shadow ibex
Excuse me but my free 1% crit translates to my spec being playable
dim basalt
We need the SV dev to re-design arms
shadow ibex
I might play mop classic if they keep the weird shit
rapid bronze
the panda sex?
shadow ibex
Fury was able to get so much crit rating + the way the combat table worked meant you could push regular white auto attacks off the combat table
So all autos were either glancing blows, misses or a crit
Since duel wield could never get rid of misses like 2h specs could
That's the weird mop shit
dreamy sandal
Yo bois, is there some fun Arms PTR talents build I can try out somewhere?
shadow ibex
You don't think dance of death is fun?
rare kite
only storm of swords is fun
shadow ibex
its funny that dance of death survived 3? spec tree touch ups
its gotta have a true 0% pick rate
serene hollow
if the unhinged ms obeyed sweeping strikes then I imagine that it could be very strong during 2 target execute with low hp adds that die under 2 bigger targets, but that is extremely niche
shadow ibex
it could maybe have uses higher in the tree
but the opportunity cost is like the most expensive ever in wow history
i just dont know how its still around. they make WoW they know capstones are the "better" talents of which we have the fewest points to spend, yet one of the 5 is a straight up on death effect
serene hollow
i'm not particularly happy with fatality either, even if it was strong
shadow ibex
fatality is whatever. its a boring thing that will do x% of ur dam its fine as a capstone imo
no thinking just this thing should do like 3-4% of ur dam
i'd love to see it in m+ in a world where u dont need to pop it because that part of it is just unrealistic in multitarget
hollow wave
boring is Slam, I just have to press it for anger management, how unfun is that
serene hollow
slam is pretty unsatisfying but you eventually have to fill with something
shadow ibex
slam is pretty unsatisfying but you eventually have to fill with something
thats a super low bar for a button sadly
serene hollow
well I did prefer having an off gcd way to spend rage, but I don't think that's a common opinion
like I liked pressing ignore pain for dps in dragonflight s1
olive nest
I quite like the button mashing reset fiesta we have now just wish I didnāt have to consider rage during execute phase
shadow ibex
just let me execute always why do i need this near vestigial shit
take bloodsurge instead of bb
and finishing
and exe rage is almost infinite as slayer
olive nest
Finishing blows instead of what?
shadow ibex
sks
shadow ibex
should be fine next tier
i think objectively bb is better than surge but its close and actually makes shit feel better
rend doing 3% of overall in sims
cutting 5% off that is peanuts
t roar fighting colossus smash casts in dmg
olive nest
Thatās insanely bad lmao
shadow ibex
the state of the 90 sec CDs is just pathetic
shadow ibex
EB and BL do the same thing
one costs a global
i find it hard to justify them both if we're being 10000% objective
minor gust
no thinking just this thing should do like 3-4% of ur dam
you forget this works with cds soooo its either 3% of ur dmg or 9 gl hf
shadow ibex
also as slayer you prio OP so much with opportun that a reset from its cast may be useless
so MS could very well be ready already with an OP cast
so your BL reset did nothing
like MS into tact proc now im at x2 OP charge + opp but + EB procd send the opportunist OP over MS EB reset. cool BL reset it too and did nothing
quaint otter
t roar fighting colossus smash casts in dmg
time to spear?
shadow ibex
You take 0 capstone for roar or spear
Spear does less damage period. You only take roar because it's no other dmg increase to take that's better
Spear with no capstone is just a 90 sec button that does less damage than a single mortal strike. Roar does less too but at least it ticks a lot and each tick can crit. And dmg being bleed means it doesn't eat a global of colossus smash
From what I heard blizzard isn't happy with them. I'd remove both and just bake their capstone in under avatar somewhere higher in the tree.
steep osprey
From what I heard blizzard isn't happy with them. I'd remove both and just bake ...
What makes you say that
Also, I agree. I donāt think either specs would lose much in terms of gameplay if they removed both TR and Spear
The capstones could buff BS or something
edgy solstice
"blizz isn't happy with the capstones" as if they're happy with anything related to arms
arms been on life support since legion
steep osprey
From what I heard blizzard isn't happy with them. I'd remove both and just bake ...
What if Avatar has the thunderous words
During it
A bit buffed
And the spear buff during ravager
Or maybe avatar too
Big avatar
Or just completely revamp it and add in new things
Just not as aoe cds lol
We donāt need more than BS or ravager tbh
steep osprey
If anything, removing them would help buff BS/ Ravager as the sole aoe ability
teal fossil
They just pruned cds out of rogues
I think they have 2 now
Technically dh has 3
3-4
Depends on how you feel about meta
Hunt sigil and CA
minor gust
havoc is so fucking buttery smooth now with the 11.1 changes
great spec to play as an alt
teal fossil
Ye thatās why Iāve been looking into it
Thatās what I mean though, if you just put enough work on how a class flows the small stuff in trees do not really matter
minor gust
moving movement dps away from fel rush and only into backflip and hun is grea
shadow ibex
they need to just do an outlaw style rework instead of this baby shit every few patches that end up the same as before
they tried to mix up our class tree like 4 times now since DF started. we still take all the same shit
i still have 2/2 wild strikes 2/2 crit 2/2 armor
minor gust
aka what MM just got a full vision reset
shadow ibex
all their attempts have failed lol
my class tree looks a lil different from start of DF but biggest difference is now i can get shockwave. still got all my 2/2 shit still got avatar + a capstone
only thing we lost was a capstone under roar or spear
otherwise exact same situation despite 4 retouches
steep osprey
They just pruned cds out of rogues
I remember when outlaw had dread blades, shadow dance, vanish, echoing reprimand, adrenaline rush and ghostly strike
They made echoing reprimand a passive after using an ability now
They could do the same for warriors
Like ravager increases your critical strike damage during it
Elysian might basically
But baked into another cd
shadow ibex
ravagers powercreep is unreal since anything touching MS makes it amazing
and most things touch MS now
steep osprey
Thoughts on nerfing unhinged
shadow ibex
u dont have to if u move rav/BS in the middle of the tree
so the bottom 10 points are dominated by 3 points
all specs must take valor must take rav/BS must take unhinged
shadow ibex
only if they make parry 90 sec baseline
steep osprey
Theyāll have to
shadow ibex
playing with a 2min defensive is like 2019 shit
every aoe/st spec must take that path at the bottom of the tree is awful to me imo
in an expac with hero specs thats just no bueno
arctic iris
What spec have people been using on the PTR for keys?
daring flicker
poop
shadow ibex
U can play same colossus spec as live
tough tangle
What spec have people been using on the PTR for keys?
both, the general consensus is that arms does more dammy
rigid ravine
second question what hero spec in arms seems to be doing the best
no acess to any sheet or data unfort
rare kite
second question what hero spec in arms seems to be doing the best
Slayer raid. Colossus m+
rigid ravine
Slayer raid. Colossus m+
tyvm
hardy olive
Arms Owns guys!
dire hinge
minor gust
fathom shoal
north tinsel
so question for the arms warrior does anyone have a good M+ spec for colosuss becaus ei love the playstyle but i need a good talent build for running M+ and any macros taht would be good also help š ive looked at guides btu i dont see any that really make sense to me
north tinsel
@minor gust i looked at that but my question for that would be why take Blunt interment's Instead of Wordbreaker???
minor gust
actually just now lookin at the colossus build he has in there yeah that thing is yuck and not updated
minor gust
north tinsel
XD
minor gust
here u go
north tinsel
thank you š
north tinsel
MBG?
north tinsel
do you have a copy code?
or jsut the picture?/
also thank you so much i appreciate it
minor gust
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north tinsel
any macros that would be helpful? or useful?
minor gust
dont really need macros for warrior just a Stance macro for dstance and @cursor macros
hollow wave
like I liked pressing ignore pain for dps in dragonflight s1
IP >>>> Slam
It was way more fun
At least I knew IP was for something, and not a random useless Slam
serene hollow
well ignore pain was just better dps than slam was. Arms was also very tanky that season literally for free
kinda like frost dk this season
quaint otter
spending rage for defensive doesnt sound free for me 
shadow ibex
It was more like a 40 rage OP
rare kite
kinda like frost dk this season
That is a wild comparison. Arms has never been near current fdk survivability
And saying ignore pain made arms very tanky is a joke
quaint aspen
Always has
hey Deswind, you comming back for new season? miss your warrior m+ runs.
glossy tusk
Where nerfs i cant take this waiting
steep osprey
And saying ignore pain made arms very tanky is a joke
What's the best thing they can do for IP?
I was thinking they could make it a large shield on a 30 second cooldown or something
like ice barrier
instead of this weak absorb
or they could make it work like the legion necklace legendary as a passive
30% of your hp as an absorb every 30 seconds
vapid pine
Would be fine as is if they just buffed the number tbh
In case of emergency button that loses DPS but makes you live crazy moments. Problem with it now is just it doesn't really make you live
eager sigil
the number isnt even bad
how big of a shield do you guys want to call it strong?
it prevents 1.9m for me
vapid pine
1.9m maximum, after what... 4 globals and 120 rage?
eager sigil
one cast is 400k
vapid pine
Ok mb 5 globals and 175 rage
latent arrow
If I want to pick up the game again for season 2 do I need to get the special ring?
Or will s2 wx hero track ring be better?
eager sigil
If I want to pick up the game again for season 2 do I need to get the special ri...
get it
it takes like 20minutes
vapid pine
If I want to pick up the game again for season 2 do I need to get the special ri...
It's the best item you can get ahold of for the next couple weeks and will last you a while into Season 2
Probably the most efficient time spent ever
vapid pine
Or will s2 wx hero track ring be better?
Impossible to say, at the moment the ring is better than Myth track next season for a bunch of specs, so it'll likely get a nerf. Only god knows how big that nerf will be though
steep osprey
one cast is 400k
if one cast is 400k then the cd should be reduced to gcd
not 10 seconds
with the same duration
the downside should be that you're using rage to make yourself tanky
when you could have used it for damage
eager sigil
yea maybe make it make us immune to all damage for 30s
steep osprey
sus
dim basalt
Thats what we get next patch
steep osprey
I don't think arms really needs any but IP being good would be actally nice
dim basalt
But Id still appreciate IP to not have a cd
Could be useful in certain dungeons
For specific cases
eager sigil
yea bubble would be nice too but cant have it all
halcyon breach
Keep it on a CD but make it not take 5 business days to stack up to a somewhat humanoid defensive
steep osprey
I kinda don't like having to keep up IP every few seconds
thick kelp
Keep it on a CD but make it not take 5 business days to stack up to a somewhat h...
shld be like mage barrier
1min cd lasts 1min
gives a fair shield
steep osprey
that sounds like too much especially considering we're also doing our dps rotation at the same time
thick kelp
like 3.5milly or smth
steep osprey
gives a fair shield
what about a shield like legion legendary neck
vapid pine
to just get one every 30s
Ret pala Ansurek reclear yesterday, top heal is a shield I just get every 30s by pressing my damage cooldown KEKW
steep osprey
there u go xdd
vapid pine
More time I spend in here (maining warrior next season for raid) the more I realize how cucked warriors are tbh
Zero utility, zero range, dogshit defensives, was good last raid and immediately got assrailed XD
steep osprey
none of that is really true except for range lol
vapid pine
none of that is really true except for range lol
Maybe I'm just crazy after playing rogue and ret pala but like...
Feint got put off GCD becuase it was too much to press for a 40% DR for people
steep osprey
warrior is one of the tankiest classes in the game
vapid pine
warrior is one of the tankiest classes in the game
If you're willing to drop your damage for fun, sure
But the other classes don't have to do that
steep osprey
you're not dropping your damage for it
I'm mostly talking about fury
arms is gonna get a lot tankier next patch though
steep osprey
warriors have the zug zug mentality
fury is actually top 5 in terms of tankiness
but people are dumb
vapid pine
you're not dropping your damage for it
So Spell reflect and Enraged Regen make you one of the tankiest specs in the game?
dim basalt
^
vapid pine
Defensive stance is dropping your damage
dim basalt
Oh no, 10% less damage for a few seconds
vapid pine
10% perma DR is lower than both DK and ret pala have passively
dim basalt
Ret sucks tho
steep osprey
im not saying dk is not tankier, it is
you can't compare how tanky dk is
to ANYONE
dim basalt
Plus their tankiness gets a hit next patch
steep osprey
but fury is still one of the tnakiest specs in the game
steep osprey
Plus their tankiness gets a hit next patch
true
their stamina went from 20% right?
to what?
dim basalt
Not sure but it is significant
vapid pine
12% or smth, passive magic DR lowered too
dim basalt
Think 20 -> 12
steep osprey
yeah
vapid pine
In raid any spec with cheat is like an autowin though
steep osprey
still one of hte tankiest if not the most but the nerf did bring them down a lot
vapid pine
So top 5 isn't even really a discussion imo
steep osprey
maybe not top 5 but still one of the best
vapid pine
And then you're comparing like warlocks and you're already kinda out of top 10
steep osprey
I still don't think there's a reason to complain about tankiness as a warrior
or fury
dim basalt
Even less so next patch
vapid pine
The general complaint was more like
dim basalt
The 10% hp will feel insane
vapid pine
Warriors kinda just have nothing
dim basalt
Fury will be legit unkillable lol
dim basalt
Thats SR in our case
dim basalt
25% magic dr minimum
steep osprey
"fake"
dim basalt
And there are some cases where SR is straight up broken
steep osprey
steep osprey
true SR is giga
eager sigil
Also for last boss CoT
and first
dim basalt
true
lunar remnant
Having rend and TC on two separate buttons feels weird, slam feels useless to press especially when running cleave.. and why is SS on the GCD? Coming from fury arms feels clunky / bloated maybe itās bc Iām geared for fury and not arms.
quasi torrent
Having rend and TC on two separate buttons feels weird, slam feels useless to pr...
just put rend and tc on same
it's such a miniscule diff
quasi torrent
slam tho
yeah slam peepee
still wanna press it on st with cleave to not yoink MP stacks
gg
frosty lava
Warriors kinda just have nothing
Comparing specs in an argument of who is the tankiest is a bit irrelevant since every spec that isn't in the bottom third is already 'tanky' since content is designed to be survived by any spec (you'd hope)
Warriors are insanely tanky when you take specs like shaman (just a first thought, unsure which class is actually the squishiest) who only realistically have 3 buttons to live instances of damage, 2 being 3+ minute cooldowns, and almost 0 passive DR or bonus HP to help out outside of that
lunar remnant
Yeah Iām usually like on of the last dps in our core to die on wipes we are tanky.. try a boomkin and youāll see the difference lol
frosty lava
Also anyone who sleeps on dstance is super silly (to keep it pg) imo
steep osprey
Think druids are the squishiest
just go bear form
frosty lava
If you learn to use it on prog right before a big 1 hit instance of damage, and immediately swap back when you can, you'll see how immortal warriors are
dim basalt
Bear really isnt that insane
steep osprey
(I am joking)
dim basalt
a
steep osprey
b
frosty lava
bear and ghost wolf for shammy are the poorest excuses for defensives I've ever seen
steep osprey
ghost wolf isn't really supposed to be a defensive button lol
frosty lava
yea
steep osprey
bear form is at least instantenous and u get the hp immediately
dim basalt
That thing is genuinely cursed
frosty lava
but if things are bad enough, sometimes you might need to pre-stack the 20% DR lol
life as a squishy spec if externals aren't available ig
steep osprey
prestack for 5 seconds
xdd
isn't havoc also pretty squishy aside from their immunity
dim basalt
ye
frosty lava
I wouldn't say havoc is lowest since atleast they cover rot
minor gust
perma 10% dr on havoc will carry it
steep osprey
I didn't know havoc had 10% dr
minor gust
in their AR hero talent
frosty lava
I remember evoker being squishy in RWF prog but
idk how that compares to usual guild prog
I dont play evoker
frosty lava
yea not sure tbh
goes to show tho that we're atleast upper half of survivability tho
all these classes would kill for even 1 of our non major defensives
or passive DR
steep osprey
it's ridiculous how tanky warlocks are
steep osprey
true
frosty lava
cause meatheads play them
steep osprey
zug zug
frosty lava
no offense to the friendly fire
steep osprey
what about rogue
frosty lava
feint
steep osprey
nobody uses feint lmao
steep osprey
that's true
outlaw especially has feint and built in dr from stackign vers
Isn't monk kinda mid
oh god priest too
spriest is so squishy it's cursed
frosty lava
yea..
I think blizz see hybrid specs and assume their heals count as a defensive
when 1. it's a huge damage loss (dstance doesn't come close) and 2. it's tiny anyways
frosty lava
but I think them being the slowest is a benefit since they get top prio for evoker uppies lol
steep osprey
Rogue, Warrior, DK, warlock, Paladin?
frosty lava
yea like off the top of my head
mage is like
#1
DK/Pally/Rogue/Warlocks are up there
steep osprey
Yeah that's true, mage can survive anything with alter time
frosty lava
Unsure how monks are post TWW rework when they lost a few defensives
steep osprey
and ice block
i like mage defensives
they don't have a lot of built in dr or anything
but you have to play properly to survive stuff
frosty lava
yea bad mages are pretty much permanently dead
steep osprey
skill issue
frosty lava
tbh though
the squishiest specs dont need more defensives
the rest of us need to lose some
frosty lava
but that just leads to defensive creep
raids have slowly become more 1-shotty with damage taken because we have infinite buttons to respond
steep osprey
I don't trust they're going to reduce that with nerfs lol
frosty lava
it makes the gameplay kinda dog for healers too
yea ofc
but it has to happen inbetween expansions as a survivability rework
steep osprey
it makes the gameplay kinda dog for healers too
that's true
I noticed that healers are not liking it rn
is DStance 15% dr?
frosty lava
like shammies having your stereotypical 90 sec CD + 2 long CD defensives that aren't just generic DRs is actually good design if kyveza didn't demand 3 defensives per intermission during prog and one of their 3 is a 5min CD
frosty lava
is DStance 15% dr?
Idk it's either 15% DR 10% dam loss or vise versa
wait yea
15% DR 10% dam loss
steep osprey
kyveza is a byproduct of insane defensives lol
frosty lava
exactly
steep osprey
but it's not balanced because u have classes like dk
and then u have others like shaman
frosty lava
if you don't have a defensive up for every line in last intermission (granted, almost every guild kills before 3rd intermission with bis gear + ring + 18% dam) you die on atleast half the classes
frosty lava
we're approaching that next season
watch fury become immortal
10% perma DR + 10% health + 2nd 2hander stam + (If talented) 8% thane DR
steep osprey
still gonna be the most deaths
frosty lava
so basically fury is getting pretty much a permanent DR passively for other class standards
and we still have dstance
reflect
regen
leech
impending victory
steep osprey
shh
frosty lava
haha
frosty lava
reflect could easily just be a niche that isn't a DR
steep osprey
they could reduce the dr
frosty lava
impending should probably also just go back to being victory rush without the talent option to make it work without kills
steep osprey
it's 25% right?
orchid raft
From playing DK this tier, nothing comes close to it's tankiness
steep osprey
it could be 15% or something
frosty lava
DKs are getting a slight nerf though atleast
frosty lava
it could be 15% or something
anything more than 0% is already significant
orchid raft
Yeah, but Will of the Necropolis is just insane, 30% dr under 35% hp
frosty lava
yuh
orchid raft
plus 20% stam, and passive 8% magic dr
frosty lava
especially when it snapshots damage at full health if it takes you below 35%, and applies the DR to the entire hit
orchid raft
Add Death Strike and AMS and how do you die
frosty lava
so you go down to maybe 60% health, but still received the 30% DR
orchid raft
Juuuuuuupp
frosty lava
it's a cool niche defensive they should keep since it isn't you know... copy pasted like most defensives
but do they need 20% health
it's things like that they should target
steep osprey
it's things like that they should target
that's why they nerfed that
steep osprey
oh i envy it as warrior
Envying dk as a warrior is weird
considering we're also pretty tanky
frosty lava
oh i envy it as warrior
better be grateful before they realise that extra 10% health is gonna stick out like a sore thumb when DKs aren't as tanky as they used to be
slow saddle
not their tankyness
steep osprey
especially next patch
slow saddle
their class tree
steep osprey
not their tankyness
nah it's gonna be close
frosty lava
yea true
steep osprey
next patch
steep osprey
yeah i agree
I wish they'd remove TR and Spear
too many dps cds
and t hey're shit now anyway
slow saddle
yeah
steep osprey
just remove them and add in some passive
slow saddle
i like how dk tree is PURE utility
steep osprey
We do not need that much cds
frosty lava
things like spear and droar should be a shared talent choice with all the extras inbuilt as a last row option
slow saddle
is cool
steep osprey
things like spear and droar should be a shared talent choice with all the extras...
Or they could be one ability
frosty lava
but with both in the last area, we can't ever have spare points to move into other areas of our class tree
we are forced to take damage throughput
slow saddle
i dno i just feel like when i go down the line as dk theres an illusion of good choices
steep osprey
There's no reason spear and TR should be a different ability
frosty lava
I could see reason tbh for fury atleast
if CDs are stronger, usually droar is better since it buffs odyn's fury
if core abilities are stronger, spears crit dam increase benefits that instead
steep osprey
They could do a lot of things to crit damage fdrom spear
like make it work for ravager with a talent in class tree
during ravager u get more crit damage
frosty lava
honestly, spear should hit harder and droar shouldn't exist
frosty lava
spear in shadowlands felt awesome
steep osprey
honestly, spear should hit harder and droar shouldn't exist
True
frosty lava
with a potential 40 sec CD in aoe
steep osprey
it should do 10x the damage of a MS
frosty lava
since that can crit for almost 10 mil
frosty lava
what's the % increase on the talent for spears instant impact tho
steep osprey
50%
thick kelp
Warrior affix is real
steep osprey
i mean it's trash
They need to giga buff spear
to do 5x the damage of MS
or something
frosty lava
spear in SL felt like the best ability to press in the entire kit as fury atleast
it should be more exciting than say
avatar
colo smash
steep osprey
so true
steep osprey
they need to make this more exciting
thunderous roar is trash
they've been doing stuff to it for a whilke
since it was dragon's roar
and it's still trash
just remove it
bad experiment
Spear is a new exciting ability
that's good
tether
etc
frosty lava
troar was pretty busted in DF, but even then I'd rather just use spear
like they're both the same idea
button we press in CD window to make CDs feel cooler
steep osprey
yeah, true
Idk what they could do with TR if they removed it
but pls no cds
passive or something
frosty lava
you don't
just do it the mage way
where there's a few capstones you want for throughput
but only the very last row
so you still have spare points for util or other shit
steep osprey
true
frosty lava
then you can add the highly desired warrior util lol
imo, we need to see a new iteration on mop banners, and lust
steep osprey
they could make these 3 rows into 2 only with spear and avatar as dps cds
frosty lava
fury players would hate this but
just make avatar arms spec tree
reck feels like shit for fury anyways
losing avatar means we'd need some sort of compensation buff
move the power back to reck
thick kelp
Avatar should be a prot only CD
steep osprey
fury players would hate this but
my idea is to make avatar a passive for fury that increases damage during reck by 20% lol
frosty lava
my idea is to make avatar a passive for fury that increases damage during reck b...
still feels meh though imo, bring back battle cry from legion
steep osprey
nuh uh
frosty lava
just make spare crit convert to crit dam
steep osprey
i don't wanna do damage in 6 seconds every 50 seconds
frosty lava
I don't mean that
I just mean make reck grant 100% crit
make it share a choice node with AM if they want
steep osprey
well, if it gives 100% crit it's gonna be balanced around doing damage during reck
that's just how it is
steep osprey
why would anyone take AM
frosty lava
and remove RA
steep osprey
with 100% crit node
frosty lava
why would anyone take AM
cause AM fuckin cranks
cause you're still getting 20% crit + double rage gen + blade/ravager 2x-3x more often
latent hull
lunar remnant
AM is really good but I like when my coolies line up
quaint otter
spear in SL felt like the best ability to press in the entire kit as fury atleas...
and it was 40s cd
huge burst and crit amp
slow saddle
AM is really good but I like when my coolies line up
which is why they removed AM for frost dk no ? and made it feel better
or wtf it was frost cap did
quasi torrent
crazy idea
just make AM be static 50% cdr for the abilities
cause unless ure getting griefed by mechs it is that
š¤Æ
slow saddle
ā¤ļø
quasi torrent
(this instantly exposes how shit the design is)
slow saddle
for arms only
silk spade
just make AM be static 50% cdr for the abilities
been saying this
quasi torrent
(our cds should not be so bad that u can press them every 22.5s (CS))
silk spade
just have the node be bigger cd vs half the cooldown
quaint otter
^
slow saddle
when u play slayer it feels worse coz i dont want bladestorm more
but rav is fun
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esp execute where u just pump out big ms by buffing it
thats enjoyable
i still think they should remove collateral dmg
slow saddle
this
slow saddle
i just think of collateral to be entirely passive
i try to as well
but that just shows again how frustrating it is
to play around
after our cds we get new cd
thats annoying
steep osprey
just make AM be static 50% cdr for the abilities
I can see the argument for this but I think there's some excitement from doing things and reducing your cds by pressing abilities
and seeing them being reduced
quasi torrent
is there?
steep osprey
am i cooked
quasi torrent
ure cooked i think buddy
steep osprey
well, to me there is
silk spade
after our cds we get new cd
tom moment
slow saddle
exactly
steep osprey
especialyl for fury
quasi torrent
oh i got a mechanic and now my cds dont line up anymor
slow saddle
Col is basicly AOE tom
steep osprey
arms a lot less
quasi torrent
my tank was afk for 5s between packs
silk spade
am i cooked
youre cooked
steep osprey
silk spade
forced downtime just makes you feel like shit
slow saddle
well isnt that more an issue of not EVERYTHING being on am ?:D
lets just put avatar on there as well
ā¤ļø
quasi torrent
huh
slow saddle
meh
quaint otter
i wanna be big and brown
slow saddle
old and half way blind
slow saddle
https://tenor.com/view/armswarrior-warrior-warriorwow-armswow-armswarriorwow-gif...
Ronnie !!
slow saddle
Dear Fucking blizzard
make me able to share all crests
once i get the achievement for 636
like for real.
quaint otter
send balls
slow saddle
let me gear my alts faster
silk spade
send balls
lunar remnant
Just get rid of slam and take SS off GCD and Iām happy
steep osprey
slam is a filler
silk spade
wym get rid of slam
quasi torrent
steep osprey
let it be there
slow saddle
the main issue is
quasi torrent
on col in dunger spec i legit
quaint otter
slow saddle
Battlelord not being good !!
quasi torrent
(this is good)
slow saddle
buff battlelord
steep osprey
do you think it'll be better if am was static
slow saddle
bake in some dmg
quasi torrent
do you think it'll be better if am was static
absolutely
slow saddle
and we back to more fun rotation and slam being not there
silk spade
on col in dunger spec i legit
well that has a lot more buttons you can press
lunar remnant
Or make slam feel good to press I guess
quasi torrent
well that has a lot more buttons you can press
yeah like cleave to eat my MP stacks
very good
slow saddle
i think a filler is fine
steep osprey
where slam is your main ability for damage
quasi torrent
okay how about slam is converted fully to uhh crushing assault (?) from BFA
quasi torrent
where it was just a proc on azerite and did big fuck damage
steep osprey
yah that's the name anda
steep osprey
okay how about slam is converted fully to uhh crushing assault (?) from BFA
press slam 3 times to upgrade to Bigger Slam
steep osprey
where it was just a proc on azerite and did big fuck damage
I don't remember people using that at all
quasi torrent
MS Slam Slam Op Slam
steep osprey
it was not good
quaint otter
combo system in wow???
better 3 sec gcd
quasi torrent
I don't remember people using that at all
it was good in the tier when arms was turbo bin
(dazar alor)
silk spade
yeah like cleave to eat my MP stacks
i hate that mp is shared btw
steep osprey
dazaralor arms was cursed
quasi torrent
and it was good as a 1 inner ring thing for the azshara raid
silk spade
cringe ass design
steep osprey
arms wouldn't even be good without tom
quasi torrent
felt like ass using cleave as filler eating me stacks
silk spade
felt like ass using cleave as filler eating me stacks
bro is scottish
shadow ibex
it was good in the tier when arms was turbo bin
I don't think it was ever good
quasi torrent
im like sure it was good in dazar alor as a 1 slot
shadow ibex
Since it reduced rage spent
silk spade
i think i should leave this group
is that dungeon cool
steep osprey
did u play fob in bod
shadow ibex
We ran fob so it made ww 10 rage or whatever but I still think using another trait was best
You played fob until final tier
steep osprey
im pretty sure u played fob in nyalotha lol
shadow ibex
All your damage was dw
quasi torrent
to get the full >30s combo
shadow ibex
That row was fob mass and rend
You could rend in like bod if u wanted but it was annoying for little gain
quasi torrent
i played rend on the dog
steep osprey
who is the dog
shadow ibex
Another row was storm bolt and double time
steep osprey
I don't remember a dog
shadow ibex
And Idr the last
quasi torrent
nya
steep osprey
bod was my first mythic raid
i remember that dog
dhs were always topping dps there
with their star fall
lol
quasi torrent
i quite liked it with EP in uldir
steep osprey
yeah it was