#arms
olive nest
void bay
some people are just cracked on certain classes.....I hope (pray?) blizzard data analysts are too smart to tune to massive outliers....and do you mean im fired up?
shadow ibex
I love that 2 warriors is a lot
olive nest
Blizzard just proving a point that we’ll play whatever does the most damage and class design doesn’t matter
shadow ibex
I don't think the class has even had more than 2 people playing it in a rwf in the history of the game
slow saddle
Isnt enc also fun to play?
lean geode
So glad they nerfed fury 6 times in a row guys 🙂
shadow ibex
I'm hoping they learned from that
lean geode
Fury was really a problem in 11.0 🙂
dim basalt
I love how ele is up there just because of how easy it is to play in raid
Like the difference of raid vs keys is so insane for that spec
shadow ibex
Ele is a joke spec
shadow ibex
I would shoot someone if I had to deal with that much melee
void bay
lmao
void bay
GM: "guys I love illidan and paladins so we are going to try and make a light and darkness guild"
olive nest
This is an attempt to help our merger guild get there CE before it’s gone
void bay
ah
olive nest
We lost 8 as soon as we killed
void bay
oof
untold pewter
Geeeez
shadow ibex
sounds about right
olive nest
It be like that when you’re in a world 500-1000 guild
Everybody wants to move up
Or they quit
void bay
people are so selfish these days....wow feels singleplayer sometimes....
one of the good things about classic was meeting Tiddles the gnome in stranglethorn and levelling for hrs or something
yeah exactly
lean geode
Me when I'm in a dogshit WR2000 guild and half our roster has no business mythic raiding
olive nest
Id personally like to just see the team I’m on advance
I wish more people in general had that mindset
lean geode
Crazy how many people in that range just like don't understand downstream consequences of positioning and cd timing and stuff
shadow ibex
yea we only got CE because of ring and the raid buff nerfing the content and i really hate that
lean geode
They just say they got unlucky and go again
shadow ibex
like it makes me feel disgusting
fresh spire
Tbf
shadow ibex
i hate this fuckin ring
olive nest
I could take my mythic logs and try to move up but like it’s so much cooler to just grow with a team in my opinion
fresh spire
The raid buff would have just been boss nerfs if it didn't exist
Also made shit Farm just faster
lean geode
Absolutely 0 accountability or self-reflection, just people crossing their fingers and hoping it goes better next time
void bay
I wish more people in general had that mindset
I had that mindset years ago but KJ in ToS just destroyed me, not that I was ever in a great guild.....now I just get my ahead of the curve and maybe 50-75% of mythic bosses, usually after nefs
shadow ibex
The raid buff would have just been boss nerfs if it didn't exist
i'd take that than just dealing a bunch more dmg
fresh spire
I could take my mythic logs and try to move up but like it’s so much cooler to j...
Chill guild thats improving >pushing ego guild
olive nest
Chill guild thats improving >pushing ego guild
Amen brother, 100%
fresh spire
I've always been around 400-500wr. Could I do better? Maybe. But I'm comfy here.
charred brook
I gotta say I went from 4-5 day to a 2 day
And omg I don’t know what to do with myself
I have so much time at night
I might start goin to the gym again
thick kelp
lifting helps with parsing
charred brook
I loved my old guild but it was too much time raiding, the wife wasn’t happy with it
lean geode
lifting helps with parsing
Real
void bay
lifting helps with parsing
agree...if you are stronger you can hit the buttons harder, so you do more damage
lean geode
Where do you guys find 2day CE guilds tho
thick kelp
wow prog
lean geode
Seems like every 2day guild that's recruiting is between 4-7/8
shadow ibex
we're 2 day yea
thick kelp
they should all be 2 day ones
shadow ibex
i would prefer to be a bit faster
lean geode
I mean I'm not trying to leave my guild at the moment
Just in case I want to alt+f4 irl after prog this coming season
300 pulls on queen to not even make it to p2 3rd platform was not it
lean geode
🙂
shadow ibex
not making it to p2 3rd plat people just not taking their portals
theres really nothing else to do in that phase
that and ranged having to kick
lean geode
Correct
But also only even making it to p2 like 5 times per raid night was
something
meager timber
some people are just cracked on certain classes.....I hope (pray?) blizzard data...
Yeah that was it
shadow ibex
we couldnt rekill because our ranged cant kill the casting spiders. i take portal and end up on ranged side and just looking at a spider with 98% hp while shield add dies
wish i could kill it
lean geode
Our ranged are kinda beans tbh
meager timber
Where do you guys find 2day CE guilds tho
My buddy is in a 1 day a week guild and killed mythic queen this past Sunday
They don’t get fyraak cause it took them like 417 pulls to kill t-swift though :/
shadow ibex
tswift was dumb
quasi torrent
i thought he was fun
shadow ibex
seeds were oppressive i think
quasi torrent
cause i like being railed by rapid fire mechanics
after the first set of real nerfs he was a good boss i think
the 2nd lobo was too much
shadow ibex
i guess it was the best fight that tier but lookin back a lot of those fights sucked
nymue was just long as a whole month
void bay
tswift was dumb
We had an extremely good assass rogue that would usually top the meters, but for whatever reason, it was 50/50 if he fucked up the flying
shadow ibex
i had special hatred for that tier cuz didnt get leggo until we got to swift
fucking stupid ass system
tacit crystal
i had special hatred for that tier cuz didnt get leggo until we got to swift
hi
can you ratw this new build i cooked
void bay
it is...I was on hunter, and having to get a leggo/special bow in what felt like back to back tiers....I was just glad it was for plate users
tacit crystal
shadow ibex
im at the point of cook man where i dont even believe in rend and bloodletting
but we dont have any other talents to take
tacit crystal
surely artieral bleed buffs are enough
shadow ibex
i hate anything with sks
shadow ibex
finishing blows is very good
tacit crystal
@boreal quartz did i burn
boreal quartz
Holy
tacit crystal
srs
shadow ibex
i think the only cook left for colossus is going jugg somehow
shadow ibex
i think bl vs EB is a choice and rather spend a mid point on EB than 1/10 on BL
u cant press execute without FB
just doesnt work
shadow ibex
yea its awful
shadow ibex
yea its bad
i'd like a talent inplace of artery cut
so we can not take rend
since they just keep nerfing bleeds
dim basalt
As if he isnt insane already
tacit crystal
lol
tacit crystal
just pick the 3 least bad of out of these
shadow ibex
yea thats normal
colossus st in m+ isnt bad anyway tho
sims bad but i think it holds up in real fight
just give a MS node instead of a bleed node plz
dawn pumice
sims bad but i think it holds up in real fight
I'm a stubborn Colossus M+ enjoyer, and yeah sims bad but been doing really well in 10 Keys
tacit crystal
hi bigbowwl
lean geode
No
shadow ibex
they are stuck on demo now nothing they are gonna do about it
shadow ibex
maybe we can get it to -50% instead of 100
lean geode
Movespeed you mean?
shadow ibex
yes
lean geode
That would be so good
tacit crystal
how do the modifyers for cleave work
shadow ibex
i mean anything under 90 is good
cuz u can technically still move
i'd take -80 with like 1/2 pieces of speed gear
tacit crystal
1 * collateral * colo might * mgb * martial prowess * deep wounds?
shadow ibex
1v5 too
tacit crystal
thats a lot of modifiers
shadow ibex
yea
tacit crystal
- ava * csmash
shadow ibex
and then u have crit dmg amps
yea variation in abilities is wild
go from multi million cleave
to 600k
tacit crystal
what is even the opener for colo
i just slam everything
surely there is a pad opener
shadow ibex
for aoe
shadow ibex
there's tech to delay ravager for collateral cleave but i ravager b4 WB with sweeping to get max demo stack fast
idk i never been about chasing biggest possible cleave outside of like once every 4 days
shadow ibex
i just cba to not remember to mash everything the same as hundreds of pulls
shadow ibex
idk if it sworth to wait for demo stacks on ST opener because only colossus boss i played was court and that was weird opener anyway
tacit crystal
and try to cleave
fresh spire
like surely this is just near normal
Think this is what I got down as the sim build. Can swap bl to sudden death. But battlelord is stronger and just feels better
shadow ibex
assuming i start a dungeon boss with 0 stacks somehow i delay demo until just before CS ends to get as many stacks but idk if thats the play. i just like big number 
but u rarely start a boss with 0 stacks
fresh spire
St opener you just send after Ms (all eb Ms procs if any) in Cs. Rest just have to be sent with 10 stacks
Aoe you always sent 10 stacks
tacit crystal
do you send demo at 0 on aoe eopner
shadow ibex
u get max insta with ravager and sweeping MS + cleave p much
like its a 4 global delay maybe?
for 100% dmg
fresh spire
Aoe you hold a few gcd as rav+sweep carries
steep osprey
do you send demo at 0 on aoe eopner
no it's very fast to get 10
shadow ibex
Aoe you hold a few gcd as rav+sweep carries
if i start my cast and 9 and ravager ticks to 10 before final hit
what happun
last hit will be dynamic?
tacit crystal
surely i take wrists so i craft 1 less right
fresh spire
if i start my cast and 9 and ravager ticks to 10 before final hit
Damage buff applies moment you press it
fresh spire
So if you hit it at 9 9%wrecked is instantly applied
fresh spire
Yeh buff stays you for the damage. But wrecked is applied instantly
fresh spire
Increase
shadow ibex
10/5 amp/dr
fresh spire
Like overwhelm
shadow ibex
see we could live in a world where wrecked/tom/CS/avatar all overlap
but krisp is afraid
fresh spire
Slam needs like a 400% buff for Tom to ever be good
fresh spire
When no 20% haste and 20% haste from tier in execute stacking to make rotation very nice
🙂
shadow ibex
call it the moonlight greatsword
shadow ibex
tacit crystal
part of tom being good was having reck on cs right?
fresh spire
30 rage Slam spam
shadow ibex
it just got kneecapped
lean geode
800k on sikran is diabolical
shadow ibex
depends on what main says
tacit crystal
i died 2 times man
fresh spire
tacit crystal
bro rain of arrows is my enemy
tacit crystal
huh
lean geode
ill be patching 300 servers thursday night
Patch them wednesday instead 
icy mulch
I can't wait for the winter to be done, so I don't have to freeze all day while doing snow removal.
astral yarrow
coincidentally at poe release time until midnigt
astral yarrow
Patch them wednesday instead <:yep:703420923625078804>
dont think that will go down well with our customers 
lean geode
Manaforged arrows mana dex stacker goes hard
I want to play self chill surfcaster so bad but I think it just insta dies in any real content
lean geode
dont think that will go down well with our customers <:deadge:900279927138578432...
Just tell them you have an important conflict on Thursday, they will understand
lean geode
Prophet seems really really good for day 1/2
astral yarrow
Just tell them you have an important conflict on Thursday, they will understand
im not even the main character of the patch window, but i said yes a month ago
lean geode
Can farm up for next build
fresh spire
im torn between *insert slam* ancestral commander
Was considering molten strike commander till I seen the manaforged arrow thing. Seems fun
lean geode
im not even the main character of the patch window, but i said yes a month ago <...
Unlucky, my team are intentionally putting everything on staging branches so we don't have to release until we have like 10 things all finished at once
fresh spire
Was also looking at volcanic fissue slammer
astral yarrow
manaforged always giga expensive to build though
fresh spire
But the bop just seemed so ass
astral yarrow
but all the mana stuff is kinda sorted through ascendancy
fresh spire
manaforged always giga expensive to build though
That unique going to be nuts this league
astral yarrow
Indigon = mirrordigon
fresh spire
His pob on a 20dovine build giant 18000%dps from indigon
Goes to like 1.5b
It's fucking stupid
astral yarrow
Unlucky, my team are intentionally putting everything on staging branches so we ...
we're a small enough company to where everything is still sort of messy
lean geode
Conner PoBs are always bait
fresh spire
But I just wanna try it. If I hate it I reroll molten striker
Even so. Just the base build without cracked items seems pretty decent.
lean geode
we're a small enough company to where everything is still sort of messy
We're planning to grow like 50% this year so I'm being forced to lead a new team gg
fresh spire
Ascendancy adds quite alot of base power for it to start
Just gonna be squishy for a while
lean geode
Yeah the mana->flat lightning passively seems cracked
astral yarrow
We're planning to grow like 50% this year so I'm being forced to lead a new team...
Im somehow, with minimal education, the front figure of setting up a SOC team
lean geode
Goat behavior
I feel like 95% of peoples' education doesn't really matter and you just learn stuff on the job
void bay
I feel like 95% of peoples' education doesn't really matter and you just learn s...
I guess it depends on the job/industry
lean geode
For sure, I was mostly talking software dev stuff
My degree is in electrical engineering and now I do frontend dev
void bay
Oh for that, you are always learning, so the best thing for me was having a strong education in the fundamentals and drilling down to the basics
learning a particular language as a part of education seems pointless
if you know the fundamentals you can pick them in a day or 2
lean geode
My coworkers are a mix of people with like graduate CS degrees and people with random unrelated degrees (if any degree at all)
Job market kinda stinky these days apparently so might be gg trying to find an entry level job with no degree idk
void bay
Yeah that is typical. The best guy I ever hired was a Physics grad from Oxford with no programming experience at all really, but he just seemed to pick everything up like it was simple
quasi torrent
a good chunk of physics grads go into programming for a resaosn
icy mulch
I'm an IT specialist in the military, I deal with all sorts. From the grandpa scared of tech to the fresh behind the ears officer that wants everything to be tracked live through one of my networks.
void bay
That sounds like a fun job. Scary/weird thing to me is the kids that literally grew up with the internet seem just as bad as the old people that got it much later in life. Yeah they can use a tablet or whatever no problem, but they have no clue how it works, and the ability to even search the internet seems shocking.
icy mulch
Yeah, teaching cadets how to make ethernet cables and explaining how all those 1s and 0s work was funny.
Explain it in their lingo and they get it fine. Like, "This allows your minecraft pixels to get from server to screen." Lol
gaunt owl
That sounds like a fun job. Scary/weird thing to me is the kids that literally g...
same problem with people driving car
fresh spire
void bay
same problem with people driving car
True
tacit crystal
I can't wait for the winter to be done, so I don't have to freeze all day while ...
its 80 F its so nice
swift loom
any have a s2 spell reflect sheet yet?
gaunt owl
its pinned in the #protection channel
hardy marten
Job market kinda stinky these days apparently so might be gg trying to find an e...
Degree doesn't help much either since for each spot there is hundreds of others. It's wild to hear of how just few years back people were getting pulled from school to work and now it's constant flow of people graduating jobless
dim basalt
Another reason to be glad to not be an American
lean geode
Yeah idk I've worked at the same place my entire (short) career so can't really comment on the current or past state of the market
I will say a lot of the people we interview are kinda beans, so it's not hard to stand out if you're smart and capable regardless of having a degree or not, but idk how likely you'd be to even make it to the interview stage
That's all HR shit that happens before I ever interact with candidates
teal fossil
I will say a lot of the people we interview are kinda beans, so it's not hard to...
Making it into the interview stage is pretty random
teal fossil
Another reason to be glad to not be an American
Glad for an EU SWE with 5 years of experience to make the same amount of money as an American SWE out of school
dim basalt
Glad for an EU SWE with 5 years of experience to make the same amount of money a...
But you also pay way less for everything else
lean geode
Glad for an EU SWE with 5 years of experience to make the same amount of money a...
We used to have some Polish devs and I think they made like US minimum wage
dim basalt
Who cares that you earn 10k a month when you have to pay 3k for rent
And 1k+ for groceries
dim basalt
Which is where you typically earn that much as a SWE tho
lean geode
If you're only making 10k a month in a HCOL area you fucked up
teal fossil
There are more than just 3 cities in America
gaunt owl
and some other place in the world have the highest rent
dim basalt
And we dont have to be worried about getting fired any day 
gaunt owl
USA isnt even top 10 in the city that have the highest rent
dim basalt
Highest in absolute numbers or in relation to income
teal fossil
It’s actually really op to do Swe at a smaller company
In one of the bumfuck nowhere states
gaunt owl
with income they are clearly fucked
teal fossil
Pulling 7k a month paying 1k in rent
lean geode
In one of the bumfuck nowhere states
But then you have to live in bumfuck nowhere
lean geode
Also again if you're making 7k a month in bumfuck nowhere you fucked up
You guys are really underestimating american SWE salaries
Maybe entry level is 7k a month
Pre tax ofc
teal fossil
Yeah entry
My friend works at epic systems (not the game company)
I think he gets paid that much
lean geode
Bro half of WI works for epic
teal fossil
But that was in 2020
teal fossil
Bro half of WI works for epic
Yeah that’s or the basketball team
Epic or basketball or football
Or political activists
void bay
You guys are really underestimating american SWE salaries
American tech companies, and things like healthcare pay insane salaries from my perspective, and taxes are way lower
icy mulch
its 80 F its so nice
-15° C with a windchill making it -25
lean geode
American tech companies, and things like healthcare pay insane salaries from my ...
Big tech/finance def pay stupid amounts of money but they're super competitive and prone to burnout. Even more median-type places pay silly amounts by EU standards I think
I think we only have devs in Ireland these days and they make like 60ish% of what devs in the US make
dim basalt
Im just chilling as a SWE over here
lean geode
We used to have some central EU people and they made like 25% of what US devs made or something
void bay
Yeah thats another level too
you have like USA salaries > Western EU > Central EU > Eastern EU (eu being europe)....then idk after that
teal fossil
you have like USA salaries > Western EU > Central EU > Eastern EU (eu being euro...
India lol
The worst is accounting
EU accountants work just as much for half the pay
Yeah that’s most of them
Some are really good
Also hard to communicate
Mic+lag+accent is not the combo
lean geode
Making generalizations about an entire group of people seems questionable to me
errant goblet
why do they always feel the need to offset nerfs with some sort of buff to something else
they never once did that with warrior when they dragged us out back and blew our brains out last season
unbelievable
lean geode
they have their favorite child to take care off first
magus dot exe
steep osprey
https://www.wowhead.com/news/11-1-ptr-class-tuning-hotfixes-enhancement-shaman-t...
Totemic doesn’t even use ascendance, which is better than SB
Wind strike was doing trash damage anyway
0% of 0%
vast helm
class tuning coming?
errant goblet
i think tuning is usually Wednesday
coral root
question cuz i'm new to arms, does dreadnought scales with overpower modifiers?
coral root
i see, ty ^^
rare mango
How's Arms looking for next season? Fury is still in favor?
lean geode
🔮
At this very moment, arms is a few % ahead of fury but both seem quite strong
Things are certain to change before raid launches anyways though
rare mango
I'm normally an Arms guy, but since Fury seemed meta in both m+ and pvp this season, I ponder to go back to Arms as long it doesn't downgrade my performance
severe haven
https://www.wowhead.com/news/11-1-ptr-class-tuning-hotfixes-enhancement-shaman-t...
Almost fell to my knees in the subway
severe haven
I'm normally an Arms guy, but since Fury seemed meta in both m+ and pvp this sea...
You can and be totally fine atm, but yeah nobody is certain
lean geode
Both at this very moment
pine terrace
I think an arms-focused M+ season would be such a refresher
Been fury > arms for M+ for so long..
severe haven
I think an arms-focused M+ season would be such a refresher
I mean I would agree if the rotation wasn't such a mess
It'll be nice regardless
real vault
rare kite
lmao even kalamazi mentioned arms simming a ton higher than everyone else
@thick kelp i bet atleast 5% aura nerf
rare kite
i was being hopeful
lean geode
Arms 5 fury 3
void bay
lmao even kalamazi mentioned arms simming a ton higher than everyone else
EVERYONE else? Or just melee?
rare kite
everyone else
void bay
Damn....maybe time to go back to arms
rare kite
well no, since it's gonna get nerfed
void bay
did they nerf that apparent 30% bm tier buff yet?
lean geode
I think they've nerfed BM a few times but it's just bugged to fuck rn
void bay
lol
lean geode
someone said with respect to BM, "I keep reading that we're nerfed, then I log on an do 500k more dps than I did before the update"
void bay
yeah it seems to be the way with the whole pet vs player split
they get there eventually, but sometimes it takes a month into a tier
void bay
yeah not sure
fluid ocean
hello im a returning player on warrior... i used to play fury all the time but i was like im gonna give arms a shot.. i watch critcake mostly and i see that atm slayer is still the way to go im kindly asking if maybe someone can tell me with the buffs that are comming to warrior if slayer is still the way to goo
thick kelp
yes
fluid ocean
is colossus more complex?
lean geode
Kind of but not really
fluid ocean
okay thanks!
snow vigil
Arms overall is a little trickier than fury
snow vigil
Yeah will be first shot at the spec s2 as well since it seems better for m+ for once
lean geode
Colossus has some funny business for lining up like collateral damage + merciless bonegrinder but like that kinda doesn't matter that much
If you just blindly mash cleave you'll do fine
fluid ocean
❤️
snow vigil
Also whats the lore w not being able to react to messages?
thick kelp
I have no depression because i cant get depressed because i have immunity for depression after my ass cheeks got blasted with 6 vaccines of pfizer with the help of a taekwondo world champion and his spinning tornado kicks to get the needles straight and intact into my ass cheeks. And if anything wrong happens to me YOU should know it wasnt me, IT was Skyhold mods that sabotaged me, because they found out what color was my volkswagen passat.
lean geode
bronze epoch
I have no depression because i cant get depressed because i have immunity for depression after my ass cheeks got blasted with 6 vaccines of pfizer with the help of a taekwondo world champion and his spinning tornado kicks to get the needles straight and intact into my ass cheeks. And if anything wrong happens to me YOU should know it wasnt me, IT was Skyhold mods that sabotaged me, because they found out what color was my volkswagen passat.
steep osprey
after me and my gf of 4 years broke up I was heartbroken. Deswind took me to a movie, buying me an insane amount of popcorn. I don't even like popcorn but the gesture was heartwarming. thanks Deswind
lean geode
minor gust
I see as we await our incoming nerfs skyhold is collectively losing its mind
next vessel
Does anyone play slayer in M+? I know its recommended on the wowhead guide but curious what peoples opinions of it are here
minor gust
That part in the wowhead guide is prob not updated most people play Colossus for M+
Slayer very much viable tho if you wanna play it and crank boss damage
minor gust
Went from meme name to back to my character name
brittle fiber
Went from meme name to back to my character name
Warrior dead
clever wave
does anyone have a arms dps talents for 11.1
magic canopy
WE DIDNT GET SHOT YET
fresh spire
🙏
woven wasp
yet
woven wasp
lots of tuning happening in hotfixes the day after patch im sure theyll be here tomorrow
fresh spire
"Ur getting nerfed m8"
Tbf
We will survive ptr
And get obliterated first raid tuning
6 times in a row
Also. We have to sandbag in the week before raid launch
steep osprey
6 times in a row
Why am I having deja by
fresh spire
We seen what prepatch did for arms in end of df
steep osprey
Vu
fresh spire
rare kite
WE DIDNT GET SHOT YET
they're doing small hits first, then nuking us
shadow ibex
they made ss hit hard but then nerfed it
i thought it was supposed to be like MS but it resets too much to be their ms tbh
rare kite
Though was it even a nerf
definetely a nerf. how big it is i have no idea
rare kite
i'm being donowalled in shaman discord
rare kite
brittle fiber
WE DIDNT GET SHOT YET
You didnt see the mortal strike 63% nerf, slam 34% buff?
magic canopy
nerf this :pantsgrab:
rare kite
youre joking
Correct
⛔
minor gust
First round of tuning is nerfs to arms but also affects fury aswell so fury can suffer like we did being nerfed by proxy
rare kite
Hell yeah
severe haven
almost exactly correct
rare kite
whole disc manifesting a nerf
It's too obvious
rare kite
Dk 2.6m
brittle fiber
At least monk is doing decent damage, im having a hard time convincing someone to reroll to dh for raid buff
rare kite
Iirc warlock 2.3(can check in 10m ish)
dim basalt
If other specs are hovering around that there no way we wont catch a nerf lmao
steep osprey
Iirc warlock 2.3(can check in 10m ish)
Me when I’m sandbagging
minor gust
Warlock sims
dim basalt
Warlocks are really miserable
minor gust
severe haven
not destro
minor gust
totally trustworthy
brittle fiber
Is there a sheet for all classes? I know there’s the raid test sheets
fresh spire
The only tuning hope I have
severe haven
Numbers are fine
well we are in #arms aren't we, same thing here
brittle fiber
Imagine pressing RoF in ST
Season of discovery warlock would like a word
fresh spire
Is we remain relevant and not bottom of raid overall at start again
severe haven
Imagine pressing RoF in ST
isn't that like %3
rare kite
Tbf even if warlock sims 2.3m their damage profile is great for next raid
dim basalt
isn't that like %3
No clue but the fact alone sounds bad
fresh spire
Tbf even if warlock sims 2.3m their damage profile is great for next raid
Probs sim without buffs and lust again
severe haven
i watched kalamazi look at it but then i realized i dont care that much lol
brittle fiber
I saw the dps chart for all the different builds but is there a talent tree yet?
rare kite
isn't that like %3
I mean it's more in practice since rof is instant. It's mobility gain
brittle fiber
I saw no sks is king
severe haven
I mean it's more in practice since rof is instant. It's mobility gain
that is true
brittle fiber
I still think imma be playing mage until they fix juggernaut (11.8.2.5)
astral stag
so we #1 ST spec now?
quaint otter
after warlock hunter rogues mage maybe...
clever wave
Does anyone have an idea of what people are running in ptr for m+?
lean geode
after warlock hunter rogues mage maybe...
Rogue is down bad innit
rare kite
after warlock hunter rogues mage maybe...
we are so far ahead of those specs in sims
visual fern
Sims
😆
Just wait for post-RWF tuning buddy
Warrior 📉
||I hope this is our tier, for sure this time, right?||
astral stag
we are so far ahead of those specs in sims
Where are these sims
rare kite
Where are these sims
walhe and krispy has the sims
wanton sierra
how about our new tier set? has ppl tested? i mean is it fun how it works ?
rare kite
yeah new tierset feels very good when it procs. you notice it alot
minor gust
just pure rng so have fun
wanton sierra
i agree about the aura nerf
not that i concur, i just expect some nerf commin... coz buff were very expressive
quaint otter
we are so far ahead of those specs in sims
everyone is gangsta until they meet an ele shaman with 10000 procs 😎
rare kite
trutru, and sims are usually not indicative of performance in raid anyway. fury s2 df simmed real high and we saw how that turned out
deep schooner
hero track, this thing still hot?
lean geode
Sim
spiral coral
I still think imma be playing mage until they fix juggernaut (11.8.2.5)
Same 👀
tribal zenith
So I know I'll catch hate for this but is it worth getting arms gear now for s2 start with the buffs etc. Just for the extra leg up on start?
lean geode
It's never a bad idea to have more options available to you
But you're probably going to replace any current gear pretty quickly
fresh spire
fury and arms likely both the same on patch launch tbh
both got the same stupid amount of skill buffs
rare kite
So I know I'll catch hate for this but is it worth getting arms gear now for s2 ...
i crafted duskthread before s2, just for m+ start
fresh spire
tribal zenith
Ok I'm not too crazy on the copium to start propping to swap now then 😂
rare kite
well it wasn't for swapping really. duskthread best for both in m+ and with cantrip weapons being a thing next season they were a safe craft. material was also cheap so thought why not
livid current
No, stay away fury warriors! Arms is a lifestyle, not a spec to vacation to when it's meta.
shadow ibex
||I hope this is our tier, for sure this time, right?||
just once man plz
tacit crystal
well it wasn't for swapping really. duskthread best for both in m+ and with cant...
did you craft hsste crit or what
halcyon valve
No, stay away fury warriors! Arms is a lifestyle, not a spec to vacation to whe...
Amen
Married to arms and i do not cheat
shadow ibex
well it wasn't for swapping really. duskthread best for both in m+ and with cant...
i still need to craft belt and bracer
minor gust
I crafted my Arms stuff long ago when I finally got my weapons for fury
magic canopy
||I hope this is our tier, for sure this time, right?||
icy mulch
Big gulp of copium.
icy mulch
And I thought fury chat was bad...
What did I miss?
minor gust
Shaman discord is prob full of fotm rerollers
icy mulch
I mean, Shaman was an easy way to 3-3.3k IO
onyx rapids
hey guys!
Just noticed while watching Critcakes youtube.
I was comparing his run in Cinderbrew with arms and fury and noticed despite fury's limits in big pulls the overall damage done is somewhat similar(4.3~4.4m) which is something not expected.
Any guess is to why this is?!
severe haven
Shaman discord is prob full of fotm rerollers
It doesn't even see a fraction of other discord activities whenever I go there
onyx rapids
Apologize for my lack of insight
magic canopy
Apologize for my lack of insight
furys aoe is a bit better now with the Tblast buff, but there is a lot that can be different
fading isle
magic canopy
pull sizes comp ect
if anything if they are close and its a choice its a good thing
but with larget pulls arms will prob pull ahead
onyx rapids
Thanks for the reply Madox Ive been watching your youtube for insight as well.
Do you think as time goes by and people get used to S2 dungeons, eventually pulls will get bigger arms will pull ahead of fury?!
fresh spire
🐐
icy mulch
Fury also is able to make its cool downs more impactful to max output, while Arms is kinda all over the place after the first go.
fresh spire
It's bedge time
minor gust
both specs are very solid for M+
magic canopy
Thanks for the reply Madox Ive been watching your youtube for insight as well.
D...
hmm. It kinda depends no dungeon design i can see both fury and arms being good in dif situations
fresh spire
Surely arms survives the night
icy mulch
So Fury just being more consistent.
severe haven
<a:pogox:1326809946997919805> 🐐
Ohh that's you @magic canopy ?lol
fresh spire
o7
magic canopy
It's bedge time
severe haven
Didn't know
fresh spire
Holy
magic canopy
lmao
icy mulch
Surely arms survives the night
fresh spire
I cant see it being nerfed much if at all. If anything buff the rest of the melee classed upmore due to raid being pretty ranged friendly
onyx rapids
Fury also is able to make its cool downs more impactful to max output, while Arm...
i have noticed this while I was practicing with arms in live ptr. Very annoying to be honest, but trying to get used to it. It does require a lot of thinking.
severe haven
Arms is just modifiers on top of modifiers
magic canopy
theres a lot smaller "rules" that arms has to follow compared to fury for a similar result
severe haven
Needs rework on a large scale
magic canopy
i can see if they are even close warriors still just playing fury for ease over arms
but top end guilds will be playing arms
icy mulch
Yeah, and not as finicky.
icy mulch
Pug M+ your tank needs to pull around your cooldowns and buffs. Annoying as fuck when I lose colossal stacks cause the tank is slow.
lunar remnant
Idk if my fury brain can handle arms but gonna give it my best go 🫡
icy mulch
Or losing Demolish cause the tank likes to run all over the place.
onyx rapids
i can see if they are even close warriors still just playing fury for ease over ...
I totally agree.
I have been practcing arms every since i saw your last video abouts S2 being arms season.
I have to be honest I do miss the ease of playing fury warrior lol.
magic canopy
im working on a video for arms slayer ST and colossus aoe rn
onyx rapids
but the numbers of arms is really something else
magic canopy
just getting the framwork up for it so that might be useful
onyx rapids
im working on a video for arms slayer ST and colossus aoe rn
cant wait man keep up the good work!! Thanks a million it really does help
severe haven
Pug M+ your tank needs to pull around your cooldowns and buffs. Annoying as fuck...
I hope I don't get as easily bored of m+ this season
severe haven
Without premade m+ is not a fun time
magic canopy
alot of the problems of M+ this season are also becuase of balance
imagine what we would
be doing in keys if we didnt get nerfed into the ground
everything was about big CD blow up packs
we might have actually been meta
magic canopy
colossus somehow triple nerfed in beta when it was still behind
icy mulch
The fact they left Shaman so far ahead is kind of a kick in the teeth.
magic canopy
whoever gets a .5 change or rework gets to be op for 3 months
hollow wave
Do you guys thinks that now Arms is tankier than fury?
magic canopy
fury if it gets to keep uptime is tankier still
but arms doesnt have an uptime requirement to not die
hollow wave
IP is a thing now?
magic canopy
no its still very bad
but for M+ 5% dr from colossus
9% avoidance for being arms
p good
and we get 10% stam back from endurance
icy mulch
IP for Arms is just dumb.
hollow wave
9% avoidance for being arms
How 9% avoidance?
magic canopy
How 9% avoidance?
5% from seasoned soilder a arms passive, and 4% from new weapon mastery bottom left of tree
hollow wave
There is also 1% DR from 2% versa haha
lean geode
That's M+ battlelord spec
Can swap the point in battlelord into bloodborne instead for more aoe but less single target
clever wave
Tyvm
rare kite
iirc fishy runs blademasters as well, crit just went "no"
lean geode
I pulled that directly from the sheet 🫃
lean geode
The sim sheet
Idk if it's public or not so I won't leak
Fishy, Walhe, or Greg can leak on their own since it's their work
clever wave
Roger
shadow ibex
its been linked here
minor gust
many times
clever wave
iirc fishy runs blademasters as well, crit just went "no"
So what is the start prio now if crit sucks? Haste mastery?
rare kite
So what is the start prio now if crit sucks? Haste mastery?
not crit as in the stat. crit as in critcake
clever wave
Ahhh
rare kite
critcake just refused to play blademaster's torment basically
magic canopy
that talent has interesting potential with bonegrinder
but for a while talent pointits kinda ass
hollow wave
Why should crit be worse now?
teal fossil
because hes washed up
minor gust
washedcake
minor gust
can you say this torments you
onyx rapids
um i metioned this in the fury section, but are there no additional tuning?! I get that warriors are in a good spot but other classes as well. Or is the tuning gonna happen tomorrow?!
minor gust
theres no set date on this stuff can happen anytime mon - fri
onyx rapids
theres no set date on this stuff can happen anytime mon - fri
ah ha.
my bad
I thought it happens on tuesdays.
minor gust
Tues and Wednesday are pretty common days to recieve notes but theres been plenty of times we havent gotten them till thur or Fri
brittle fiber
um i metioned this in the fury section, but are there no additional tuning?! I g...
Bro we got buffs like 3 weeks in a row while priests dont get any buffs, just a stinky rework
onyx rapids
yeah your right.
I was just wondering about tuning in general. I thought it usually happens on Tuesdays
bold granite
hexed saddle
yeah your right.
I was just wondering about tuning in general. I thought it usua...
personally i would be surprised to see anything before next week at this point
maybe theres some stuff that comes tomorrow
(wednesday)
thick kelp
Courtesy of Zorthas
compact geyser
time to delete the shaman i guess. it was fun while it lasted
dim basalt
time to delete the shaman i guess. it was fun while it lasted
wdym theyre still giga op
And apparently will stay so
sacred zodiac
Courtesy of Zorthas
final line is funny
carmine ginkgo
does anyone know why Mortal Strike would glow what seems to be randomly when playing Colossus in the M+ build?
only for what seems to be a second.
rare kite
does anyone know why Mortal Strike would glow what seems to be randomly when pla...
Reset from exhilarating blows
carmine ginkgo
Yes! that makes sense. thank you
visual fern
Why mandarin (fruit) easy to peel but mandarin (language) not?
Wait wrong copy paste
I look fwd to making some banger memes once patch drops
thick kelp
Cant wait
visual fern
Hopefully the "we own" variant
thick kelp
visual fern
O yah last week for people to submit their meme clips re: #announcements
Farm them RWL content clips
sacred zodiac
O yah last week for people to submit their meme clips re: <#316998725740265474>
Hallo garm
Can you give me the crystal ball predicted warrior aura nerf
minor gust
incoming last round of buffs fully reverts on patch day
quaint otter
bedge
visual fern
🔮
fresh spire
thick kelp
garms has a server with handL and handR just for this emote combo
minor gust
Classic Garms
floral ledge
i don't mind if arms is good or no, just want to fury to be bad af
i hate this spec
minor gust
Well you better hope fury gets nerfed with us then.
visual fern
garms has a server with handL and handR just for this emote combo
I've had it for a few years now
From my clash server
🧠
magic canopy
should i play lost ark again garms
visual fern
No
magic canopy
okay
thick kelp
Play cata mad ox
visual fern
They banned boosting ytd -> effectively banned lowmanning -> you're now giong to be doing 20man nathria with TWW gear for scale -> entire top end quitting
EoS 6-8mo
thick kelp
how kanker is that
visual fern
It'd take you about 4-6 mo to catch up w/o swiping
hollow juniper
anyone know if we can still farm season 1 crests in 11.1 pre season week or not ?
rare kite
anyone know if we can still farm season 1 crests in 11.1 pre season week or not ...
Idk but i can tell you m+ usually gets alot more difficult on patch
So better farm now
candid pecan
during the week before season 2 (25 feb - 4 march), we'll have daily m0 and delves? (champion track starts at 636ilvl)
and maybe some drifting with D.R.I.V.E or something
floral ledge
with the 2 recent buff, someone know how many % ST dmg buff ?
weak wave
anyone know if we can still farm season 1 crests in 11.1 pre season week or not ...
Most likely not.
lunar remnant
I spent like 3k in a month when lost ark came out lol
untold pewter
Oof
quasi torrent
I spent like 3k in a month when lost ark came out lol
at that point just play a gacha jesus
quasi torrent
fresh spire
Change meta to good
quaint otter
Change meta to warrior
sharp wyvern
Nerf odyns fury
untold trench
charred quest
is dusk + dawn looking to be the embellishments for both raid and m+ for 11.1?
astral yarrow
ascendance was never good in weekly keys
the linings do good in sims, but no one really knows how uptime looks in actual practice in raid
in reality you are almost guaranteed to make a 2H first week of raid regardless, so its pretty easy to swap between double lining and ascendance+patch
charred quest
kk thx
thick kelp
ptr test or deep farm log
pre 2025 farm log
Here is another one from Silken Court
Im telling you, the 80% hp threshhold is broken
sacred zodiac
Im telling you, the 80% hp threshhold is broken
maybe you just press defensives hmm? noob
thick kelp
maybe you just press defensives hmm? noob
fuck you caught me...
astral yarrow
Feel like current raid uptime isnt necessarily indicative of next tiers, but as far as i remember it beats ascendance as low as 60% uptime
dim basalt
Its kinda sad embellishments are so weak rn
In comparison to DF
You spend so much gold for basically nothing
vapid pine
in reality you are almost guaranteed to make a 2H first week of raid regardless,...
Won't have 2 sparks first week of raid either way though, no?
thick kelp
Feel like current raid uptime isnt necessarily indicative of next tiers, but as ...
It was simming variance with asc at 60% this tier
I would have to double check for s2
Depending on what your gearing prog is by the time we get 2nd spark
it might really be worth it to craft 2x dusk
or dawn
astral yarrow
Won't have 2 sparks first week of raid either way though, no?
you usually get first full spark first week of patch and then have the second on the second week of raid being open
thick kelp
gg
astral yarrow
im pretty sure
astral yarrow
It was simming variance with asc at 60% this tier
thats what i remember anyway
astral yarrow
still, spending 60 of your first crests on weapon is such a good deal, while 60 for a pair of bracers is giga inting
olive nest
Pretty sure craft wep with embellish going to be the play early patch, yeah?
astral yarrow
in 9/10 cases im pretty sure it is yeah
thick kelp
still, spending 60 of your first crests on weapon is such a good deal, while 60 ...
Double HC craft hack
vapid pine
HC Crests will be finished by week 2 with hero 3/6 loot from 10's. Free crafts for sure
astral yarrow
at that point just farm keys for that slot
olive nest
If only embellishments where more valued, then the 60 on off pieces wouldn’t feel so bad
astral yarrow
ye
fresh spire
fuck you caught me...
100% defence stance uptime
olive nest
Can’t die if you’re always defending against damage
lean geode
in reality you are almost guaranteed to make a 2H first week of raid regardless,...
it'll be second week bc you need 2 sparks, no?
oh nvm people discussed after, I can't read 
thick kelp
Also spark gonna be way later this tier
cuz we are not getting a hc week
you get 2nd spark by uh
astral yarrow
no, but we usually get 1 spark on patch week
thick kelp
3rd week of tier
astral yarrow
so first half on first week of raid
thick kelp
ah
astral yarrow
second half on 2nd week
thick kelp
hm yeah
astral yarrow
thats at least how it went in DF
lean geode
Waiting 3 weeks for a weapon seems not very good
I guess it still saves a bunch of crests and valorstones tho
astral yarrow
you are realisitcally waiting 1 week
vapid pine
When Arms inevitably gets nerfed the craft will be BiS forever for Fury likely as well
thick kelp
in s1 we had weapon week 1 of mythic open tho
astral yarrow
BiS will be BiS
thick kelp
so its wonky wtf to upgrade
vapid pine
BiS will be BiS
Can't wear 2 tho
fresh spire
astral yarrow
did they fix dual wielding the int version
fresh spire
shadow ibex
I don't wanna do weapon 3 ilvls on weapon damage haunts my sleepy
slow saddle
Ye this season first vault weap was 3 weeks ago... im craftin weap
Unless hc weap beats crafted
Also just make craft max level at this point. Or somekind of way to upgrade it to max?
Tokens from vault mby?
shadow ibex
they are still -3 ilvls
im kinda bored with embellishment tho. just a gold sink for no reason
almost dont belong in the modern game. feels like SL crafting leggo type shit
quasi torrent
did they fix dual wielding the int version
it worked yday
astral stag
What you guys think :
2h 636 Ascendance with Writhing Armor Banding
vs
2h 639 double with Dawnthread lining ?
For raiding
knotty creek
charred brook
What you guys think :
2h 636 Ascendance with Writhing Armor Banding
vs
2h 639 ...
Sim
eager sigil
What you guys think :
2h 636 Ascendance with Writhing Armor Banding
vs
2h 639 ...
for me its 639 weapon
shadow ibex
how is dusk uptime on early prog
ascend wont have time to stack up to max on fast kills
quasi torrent
how is dusk uptime on early prog
depends on boss
quasi torrent
ascend wont have time to stack up to max on fast kills
should be fine on prog yea
eager sigil
how is dusk uptime on early prog
i simmed with like 70% i think
quasi torrent
i wouldnt expect 70 on harder prog bosses tbh
icy mulch
There is a thread on the US official forms about healers not wanting to heal. They wanna be pseudo dps again like shadowlands.
stone marsh
Arms nerf when?
fringe moon
We expecting a nerf this week?
flat mulch
never
rare kite
Arms nerf when?
Right before raid launch
stone marsh
Right before raid launch
The night before raid night at 3 am
MS and execute damage reduced by 50%
candid pecan
if they nerf MS and OP by 20% and then buff MS and OP by 20% 10 weeks into the season.... I will be so mad
let us have fun from the get go please
stone marsh
Trying to recreate the classic experience where warriors are late bloomers
lean geode
MS and execute damage reduced by 50%
Arms suddenly becomes overpower spec
stone marsh
Arms suddenly becomes overpower spec
Slam*
candid pecan
btw once 11.1 hits, we're going to be so strong at 640ilvl, so.... unbind slam or something.
lean geode
Same thing happened in 10.2 innit
Arms copped omega aura buffs to make up for losing df s2 tier set
So it piss cranked until people got s3 tier
quaint otter
So will we have m0 rookery and other stuff next reset?
candid pecan
yes, 636 ilvl gear will drop from m0 (champion track)
quaint otter
Balls
lean geode
m0 is daily or weekly lockout?
quaint otter
daily should be
candid pecan
daily 
lean geode
fuck
quaint otter
Time to gear Ballszilla
lean geode
I just want to play poe not do m0 world tours
quaint otter
poe sucks ass
candid pecan
Will try to get the passive crit proc trinket from floodgate
lean geode
poe sucks ass
L take
lean geode
Unless you mean poe2 in which case yeah I was a little disappointed tbh
quaint otter
ye poe2
lean geode
poe1 giga goated though
candid pecan
floodgate?
quaint otter
not playing it either
quaint otter
https://www.wowhead.com/ptr-2/item=232541/improvised-seaforium-pacemaker Floodga...
oh fuck
its agi too
candid pecan
50% uptime, on the PTR atleast
teal fossil
50% uptime, on the PTR atleast
The question is not the uptime
The question is how do you do with a 60s trinket
That you can’t activate
It’s always going to be 50% uptime
charred quest
m0 is out next week?
old urchin
yes, 636 ilvl gear will drop from m0 (champion track)
Yesssss. I won’t have to do any M0. Just delves for a maybe decent trinket.
icy mulch
https://tenor.com/view/thanos-snap-inevitable-marvel-avengers-endgame-gif-145995...
Can we have this version instead?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBX_6urFafo
naive sage
Warrior is just the coolest shit ever conceptualized
Real
placid slate
did they fix plunder storm currency?
apparently u can buy hc onmitoken for 5k curency