I haven't played with killshot and im 47
#arms
steep osprey
minor gust
Your fucking up
steep osprey
minor gust
Killshot trap killshot chimera dead
minor gust
Yeah explosive trap fucks hard with a lot of dmg
olive nest
Imagine colossus smash hit harder than demolish and couldn’t be parried
minor gust
Yeah hunter AOE very good with explosive shot and trap
minor gust
Real sad they never gave warrior in sod bladestorm
steep osprey
so true
steep osprey
tbh who knows if BS would would work
minor gust
While hunter is a cannon
steep osprey
im glad victory rush is here
I remember it useed to eb 10% hp
that was so fucking bad
minor gust
yeah
steep osprey
Frenzied Assault is very nice
minor gust
yeah it got giga buffed to make 2h warrior viable in pve
used to be just 20% atk speed now its like 30% plus extra rage on hit
minor gust
nah taste for blood is op
minor gust
op carries warrior leveling with taste for blood
minor gust
you dont have much rage to play with while leveling so the fact you have a high crit chance very low rage cost abillity that does a lot of dmg every 6 seconds is op
yeah u need improved op
minor gust
by far the best open world set up for warrior is full arms
yeah SS works with WW and cleave
in classic
steep osprey
i hate it that i have level until 40 to get Mortal Strike
steep osprey
Not so Mortal-y strike
minor gust
but yeah just run this setup and warrior leveling is smooth and easy still prob not the fastest in sod cuz warrior but very good
steep osprey
Wait, Execute is not a thing until 30 right?
minor gust
24
steep osprey
oh okay
shadow ibex
Bring back weapon spec ofc
steep osprey
I'm using blood frenzy on chest
minor gust
still out here wondering why Sudden death has a cool animation in SOD but nothing for retail
steep osprey
minor gust
rend still does no dmg especially while lvling
but theres not much of a chest choice early lvls
steep osprey
not like i can use anything else lol
minor gust
you bought all your runes right?
steep osprey
yeah it's all 1 copper now
minor gust
kk just making sure
but yeah once you have more frequent ways of getting enrage raging blow is a good choice
free dmg while your waiting for rage
steep osprey
when do you get slam
minor gust
30 I believe
steep osprey
oh that's a long time
severe haven
warrior leveling difficulty is overrated
minor gust
yeah warrior still struggles of not getting abillities
steep osprey
i hate that warriors don't get a hit attack unless after
minor gust
till so late
severe haven
just go engi, keep your weapon up on par
steep osprey
dont rets get crusader strike early
minor gust
its a rune so yeah
minor gust
at lvl 1 you can have 5 dmg abillities as paladin lol
steep osprey
I noticed Deep Wounds are stronger here
minor gust
was very strong but got nerfed like 2 phases ago I believe
steep osprey
was a bit strong tbh
severe haven
how do they do debuff slots
severe haven
right?
minor gust
?
severe haven
?
as in, i suspected that and wanted to confirm
since i know anniversary vanilla wow added it
minor gust
prob didnt need the question mark then I was confused af lol
minor gust
at the begining but I quit pretty early before serpentshrine and tempest keep
steep osprey
I was thinking of playing TBC since I never did but thinking of leveling from 1 to 60 in classic is a very big detriment lmao
minor gust
yeah it def takes a large chunk of time
void bay
I was thinking of playing TBC since I never did but thinking of leveling from 1 ...
TBC was a game changer....outland was so other wordly and flying was game changing, plus illidan as a raid boss.....
steep osprey
How do you spam HEroic Strike if you need rage from auto attacks lol
minor gust
they still havent created a cooler looking weapon than the warglaives
steep osprey
no way
shadow ibex
The new chain ax looks cool I'm excited to see final tier art since things are getting more and more ornate
steep osprey
what axe
shadow ibex
From goblin raid
olive nest
Man even “goblin raid” sounds sick
steep osprey
oh okay
olive nest
I’m hyped
steep osprey
From goblin raid
I've only seen the 2h maces from the goblin raid
Didn't know there was an axe
shadow ibex
It has no proc just stats unless it got removed or smth
steep osprey
Even SoD has a better Rallying Cry
steep osprey
so true
void bay
How many versions of wow are "live" now? Retail, SoD, classic hardcore, and classic?
Who was that fat guy that said "you think you do but you dont" years ago and got fired?
steep osprey
He didn't get fired
void bay
oh
void bay
I remember some blizzcon when he was asked about classic and he basically said no
void bay
he became ceo afaik
steep osprey
Yeah
I've been in orgrimmar for an hour waiting for rallying cry of dragonslayers
gg
looks like we're doing it raw
coral crescent
J Allen Brack, right?
void bay
the world buff thing was cool back in the day, but as even casual people min/max to a certain extent, its just ass.....at least to me
steep osprey
J Allen Brack, right?
Yes
void bay
J Allen Brack, right?
yes, that was him, thanks
minor gust
sod solves the world buff problem with world buff items
steep osprey
sod solves the world buff problem with world buff items
World buff aspect for hunter 
minor gust
pop them and give your whole raid world buffs
steep osprey
World Buffs are crazy tbh
olive nest
Yeah I’d rather my player power not be dictated by the top guild on my realm using world buffs in town
void bay
sod solves the world buff problem with world buff items
yeah i dont want to play classic for the 3rd time, even if they tweaked a lot of stuff
steep osprey
I'm glad they moved away from world buffs
Doing 3x the amount of damage
because of 5world buffs
is insane
and having to get em each raid
void bay
worst thing was the other faction camping outside raid entrances, so you get all your world buffs, then die and lose them all
was utterly stupid
minor gust
yup thank god thats all fixed
steep osprey
are you playing in naxx sod rn
minor gust
yeah
steep osprey
how is it
minor gust
its fine new mechanics are nice cuz they are kiss curse
ive only done hardmode 1 so far
minor gust
no each wing has a new mechanic to it
that you can turn on
or off
and with the sanctified system you do pretty insane dmg
like at max stacks were gonna be doing cata level dps
minor gust
its all g cuz its only in naxx doesnt effect the rest of the game
minor gust
yeah goes up to hard mode 4
steep osprey
juggernaut xdd
minor gust
but its not crazy difficult or something
still nothing like retail raiding
still classic
steep osprey
befoere that tho
minor gust
prob idk dont remember
steep osprey
wtf shockwave exists lmao
void bay
in sod?
steep osprey
yeah
void bay
yeah they tweaked it and added "fun stuff" from retail without trying to dilute the classic experience.....at least thats how I understand it
I didnt find it different enough from classic to warrant doing all that again
slow saddle
I did considee trying sod. What lvl are ppl at now?
steep osprey
leveling is a lot faster than ormal classic\
slow saddle
The memories outshines, how good the was vs now
steep osprey
gold is 300% during leveling
slow saddle
Still man, wow has evolved alot
shadow ibex
I can't go back in time with arms it's just more clunky
steep osprey
It definitely is
shadow ibex
It's shit designed now
slow saddle
But fr yes
steep osprey
difference between now and Classic arms is light years
shadow ibex
But it's not old
slow saddle
100%
Some things aged well, wow combat is not one of em
It was great for its time100%
steep osprey
you mean classic combat?
slow saddle
Y
steep osprey
true
steep osprey
I mean to be fair it was a product of it's time
slow saddle
Ofc
void bay
wow has always had the best combat in any mmo ive ever played, and ive played most of them....but yeah, comparing classic to retail combat doesnt make sense
steep osprey
I wanna try tbc but the thought of levelign from 1 to 60 in classic again is just not it
slow saddle
I wanna try tbc but the thought of levelign from 1 to 60 in classic again is jus...
Fact!!
steep osprey
I played cata
first tier
last year
arms is farily well designed in there
cata
for the time
dim basalt
wow has always had the best combat in any mmo ive ever played, and ive played mo...
Rotations feel more satisfying in FF14 imo
But in terms of pace / overall fun nothing beats WoW
Like, not even close
shadow ibex
Warhammer online
steep osprey
Cata had resets on Colossus Smash
Rend procs from taste of blood
well designed spec for it's time
void bay
Rotations feel more satisfying in FF14 imo
FF14 is an abomination to me, as you arent "fighting a boss" you are just playing shape dancing with a delay
dim basalt
Fair
void bay
seems popular though so its nice for wow to have competition
dim basalt
Would be boring if it had very similar gameplay to wow also
void bay
it took me a while to realise that it doesnt matter what the boss is doing, you can have him do his big scary animation and you take no damage as long as you werent in green triangle
dim basalt
But its nice that it is not necessarily easier rotation-wise
Despite being a lot slower
void bay
yeah its like doing some barn dance with your friends
dim basalt
At least I felt that way when playing Ninja
gaunt owl
it took me a while to realise that it doesnt matter what the boss is doing, you ...
at least its readable fight
gaunt owl
because sometimes in WoW you cant see shit when the boss got the fattest gyat
dim basalt
Animations in FF feel really scuffed indeed
slow saddle
Wows pace is what makes it shine
steep osprey
because sometimes in WoW you cant see shit when the boss got the fattest gyat
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void bay
its not so much pace, its the fact it feels real time, unlike most other mmos
gaunt owl
FF animation are clearly too fucking flashy and wouldnt work without the shape on the ground
void bay
well the animations dont matter
just ignore the boss after targetting it, and just go in and out of the shapes
the boss could be a rock
dim basalt
S2 new ground anims will be a blessing
dim basalt
Not sure what took them so long anyway
Considering its just some shader shenanigans anyway
Which are not exactly hard to write
slow saddle
Weell
steep osprey
Not sure what took them so long anyway
Depends on priority of things
gaunt owl
Which are not exactly hard to write
spaghetti code all these excuses
lusty bear
Anyone know which skill or what causes the special2h animation? I thought it was slam which got my NE to do the jumping animation, but then doing slam on my vulpera ends up being just a swipe upward instead of the spin swipe so Im not sure what causes it.
steep osprey
molten horizon
What priority when 2 mobs (arms colossus m+ build)?
lean geode
because sometimes in WoW you cant see shit when the boss got the fattest gyat
Why would I want to see anything other than the biggest spider dumpy ever animated anyways
quaint otter
MS
dim basalt
spaghetti code all these excuses
Shaders dont work that way tho
lean geode
Max is a professional yapper
woven wasp
i simply dont believe that guilds would be prepping at least one of a spec that sounds insane honestly
dim basalt
i simply dont believe that guilds would be prepping at least one of a spec that ...
agree
lean geode
I'm watching Yipz' stream where they're prepping alts in low keys rn and wolfdisco is gearing arms
He's not normally a warrior player innit
Riku, Smacked, and Boomie have been their warriors previously (and Rafkar, RIP)
lean geode
i simply dont believe that guilds would be prepping at least one of a spec that ...
I meant at least one additional lmao but you right
woven wasp
i mean yeah barring additional tuning that is coming arms looks insane right now on paper, and for the fights too
dim basalt
I can absolutely see why they would run 2 arms if balancing stays like this
If not 3 even
lean geode
i mean yeah barring additional tuning that is coming arms looks insane right now...
Madox said raid was arms coded, but looking at the fights they seem more fury coded to me
Mostly single target with a few little shitters spawning occasionally
lean geode
And fury is only what like 3% behind arms in pure ST rn
dim basalt
But we might see both specs anyway
eager sigil
Madox said raid was arms coded, but looking at the fights they seem more fury co...
most of this comes from 7th boss
you need to burn him in execute
dim basalt
1st boss is whatever, 2nd boss prob more arms favored, 3rd prob arms, 4th fury, 5th arms
6th fury for sure
dim basalt
for 4th is also depends how tanky the adds are on mythic tbh
And how fast they need to die
shadow ibex
The king Kong fight has insane timer for arms
Unless they change something its crazy perfect
The first clash ends around 90 seconds so u can't cleave cds but from that cast onwards they begin at 90 sec interval
First one we get fuck but second and onwards every avatar will line up wit beginning of clash
steep osprey
Have you guys heard the new raid music
thick kelp
Banger
steep osprey
Banger
The Gallywix music too
the fuck happened to the order of the class channels lmao
did anyone notice that
wanton sierra
nice
vast helm
Hello guys , when is this S1 0.1% season over ?
vagrant heron
Hello guys , when is this S1 0.1% season over ?
should on the march 3 i think?
when the new season starts
rare kite
Might as well be on patch day and not new season. New patches tend to screw up m+
minor gust
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5KXTR8yz5Ls
yo wtf this is actually really good
i havent listened to wow music in years
severe haven
it was OK this season
shadow ibex
I like the theme of the raid but I hope they elaborate on it in the future and not a one and done thing
Raid renown is cool
severe haven
i havent listened to wow music in years
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5gntV49y54
check this one out
shadow ibex
The weapons looks like goblin shit not just a colossal mandible that looks like the pvp weapon
untold pewter
Really looking forward to raid renown, finally they're giving a bit more attention to raiding in general
Finnery wasn't bad but acquisition was stupid as hell
shadow ibex
I mean it's not like we engage with it the catch up means you'll never be behind I think and you just clear raid for it but they can add on to that
I hated finnery but I don't have alts
So getting it when ur extending was cringe
severe haven
The weapons looks like goblin shit not just a colossal mandible that looks like ...
its fine, just transmog them like usual
untold pewter
I hated finnery but I don't have alts
I made a 2nd warrior literally just to do LFR last wing for finnery
I hate alts
severe haven
i only use them to collect appearances
minor gust
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5gntV49y54
check this one out
thats pretty good too
upbeat pelican
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5gntV49y54
check this one out
too bad no one ever will hear this ingame :D
shadow ibex
its fine, just transmog them like usual
I mean the weapons stick to the theme and not just a big ugly axe with various colors
Gnarlroot crusher 🤮
naive sage
Are we going to ignore the fact that all weapon types have the same animations
With my orc trying to stab his enemy with a mace
Fuck blizzard tbh
fossil thistle
I made a 2nd warrior literally just to do LFR last wing for finnery
You.. don’t have 5 warriors?
👀
fossil thistle
Oh I wasn’t including sub 80s lol
lilac quiver
Yeah ekrio has a problem
shadow ibex
I've only seen the 2h maces from the goblin raid
this the axe
steep osprey
Looks great
olive nest
Almost like glaives since it’s held in the center
latent hull
You.. don’t have 5 warriors?
I have 3 am i slacking
Gnome orc and nelf
I mainly play orc and gnome for pvp
fossil thistle
I have a Night elf, Human, void elf, blood elf and an undead 80 lol
sharp wyvern
woven wasp
<@&257983573498265600>
lime whale
rare kite
was it another 20 steamgift i missed out on?
fresh spire
magic canopy
thank you bot for saving me
rare kite
Oh my steams gone
don't worry, they are just putting the money on it before giving it back
fresh spire
hope they enjoy 4 exalts and a diet coke
My poe tab be like
2
I hope next patch makes poe2 better. Just not feeling right for me yet
Just feels sad atlas a step back from poe1 😦
magic canopy
the worst thing about poe 2 rn is the lack of crafting
theres no goal its just currency farming and hope you roll good
fossil quiver
tunderclap applyng bleed is ok to use on ST and 2 target? Or should it be only used on MT?
rare kite
the worst thing about poe 2 rn is the lack of crafting
the thing is poe1 crafting is way too confusing
magic canopy
it kinda is, until you get used to it
olive nest
tunderclap applyng bleed is ok to use on ST and 2 target? Or should it be only u...
It’s a very minor gain to rend on ST instead of TC
fossil quiver
so not worth it if I'm a beginner ?
olive nest
I personally just TC to maintain rend except for when I’m using my pure ST raid build
I don’t think it’s worth two keybinds unless you’re trying to compete for a rank 1 log or something
fossil quiver
Also it'"s okey to use demolish at 1stack even without Avatar or Warbreaker?
fossil quiver
I don’t think it’s worth two keybinds unless you’re trying to compete for a rank...
okok
olive nest
You want to demolish on cd pretty much
fossil quiver
even if my warbeaker or Avatar is soon available? Like in 3-4 sec?
olive nest
Assuming we’re talking M+
Yeah I would probably delay it a few seconds to get it inside of my cooldowns
static grove
tunderclap applyng bleed is ok to use on ST and 2 target? Or should it be only u...
Clap applies dr debuff as well, no?
dim basalt
Clap applies dr debuff as well, no?
Thats a Thane thing
static grove
Wrong channel - I’ll move to port
dim basalt
With blast
naive sage
Arms changes leaked
Mortal strike changed to mortal thunder (it doesn’t do more damage but a cool lightning effect is added)
dim basalt
poggers.
steep osprey
I hope next patch makes poe2 better. Just not feeling right for me yet
Atlas in poe2 is fucking trash
Maybe that’s too far but the endgame is just boring
I hate towers
I hate doing all this shit just to buff some maps
glossy tusk
im dooming :/
nova marsh
It's what we warriors are good at
After all were in an abusive relationship with blizzard entertainment
glossy tusk
yep, i just know were gonna pump raid > nerfs > m+ sucking
rare kite
im dooming :/
everyone is dooming for arms playstyle. no one dooming for numbers atm
glossy tusk
rare kite
the question is, how big will the aura bat be?
fresh spire
dunno, not fully knowing of other classes
but when dk is like 2.6m and we are 3.1 its a bit worrying
rare kite
would need to be a pretty big aura nerf to bring us down to 2.6
magic canopy
dont shoot arms need dk buff
tacit crystal
but when dk is like 2.6m and we are 3.1 its a bit worrying
hexed saddle
aura nerfs would make the most sense
minor gust
if the raid dmg is the concern nerfing slayer will bring that down and bring slayer and col closer
magic canopy
ill accept like a 2-3%
fresh spire
i joked to wahle in dm
they shoot slayer and colossus rises up
inturn killing slayer fury for thane to rise
woven wasp
aura nerfs would make the most sense
troar lowest hitting spell of the patch 
hexed saddle
-5% for arms and -3% or something for fury is kind of what im hoping for (assuming we're 100% getting nerfed)
weak rain
fresh spire
surely we get shaman treatment and get more buffs
minor gust
we aint surviving
gusty nymph
why would we get nerfed? enhance is in front, hunter too. rogue is close....
magic canopy
wheres the Garms post about warrior
errant goblet
i think this is the only class discord i know of were people talk about getting nerfed and expect it
minor gust
cuz we know when were strong and we know we dont stay strong
errant goblet
especially when were not even the best just being above avg so use to being nerfed and never meta
gusty nymph
expectations management
minor gust
wheres the Garms post about warrior
took a bit to find
visual fern
🪦
fresh spire
took a bit to find
real
hollow herald
is mandatory play with skull spliter i hate that shit
minor gust
in 11.1 no
hollow herald
for the love of god yes
and how many days until warrior get clap to the bottom on the next patch?
minor gust
this week or next
hollow herald
and then reroll to ret the loved one no?
vast helm
weary silo
is it worth macroign avatar and roar together?
severe haven
Not every time
Macro avatar to CSmash
Though, if ava and roar are both at the 1.5m interval you could
icy mulch
but when dk is like 2.6m and we are 3.1 its a bit worrying
What I don't get, is that Shaman has a way bigger spread than that and they barely got touched.
magic canopy
one of the actual issues currently with shaman (not sure if this was fixxed on the ptr) was their actual damage varience
getting tons of lightning dog procs is easily the difference between 8m and 20m burst
icy mulch
They shouldn't stack the way they do.
magic canopy
its omega unhealthy for the class and probably one of the reasons why they didnt get nerfed on live
and instead got some kind of rework
severe haven
Its a little stupid you can stack up procs then go into the dungeon
magic canopy
becuase it just cannot worth that way and be belanced. it would either be decent or god awful for 99% of the playerbase that didnt minmax it
icy mulch
Either way, even at it's low roll it's still worlds above everyone else.
magic canopy
they also got probably the strongest raid buff on top of being the best dps too
severe haven
Went from giving no buff to the best buff
icy mulch
And have lust, and a self rez
severe haven
Reminds me of that meme with the fat rich guy getting all the water from the pipe
And the poor guy getting the single drop
burnt pumice
ill preface with saying "currently" going into next patch are the builds staying the same or are there changes
icy mulch
This is why they had hybrid tax before for balance.
magic canopy
And have lust, and a self rez
Lust, Self Rez, Decurse, Healing, Poison Cleanse. Group Movespeed, 12 second ranged kick that gives DR, 40% DR on 1.5m cd
weary silo
i just hit the dummy for a couple mins and felt like i was capped on rage the entire time, is that normal?
icy mulch
Post I was reading earlier just rings too true. Why bring an Arms warrior when you can bring Ret, equal or more damage and tons of utility.
Why bring a Fury Warrior when you can bring an Enhance, more damage, more utility.
magic canopy
probably a few more but yeah
biggest issue with warrior is we do nothing special, nothing unique
even giving us lust isnt enough
icy mulch
We don't even bring damage compared to many others.
magic canopy
the only thing we did good was AoE burst, and even that got taken from us
icy mulch
Yup
Which is why I will be extremely disappointed if they do over nerf us again.
Since we don't have all that utility, we should bring more damage. That's at least one option they could go.
severe haven
Lust, Self Rez, Decurse, Healing, Poison Cleanse. Group Movespeed, 12 second ran...
Earth Ele, aoe stun
magic canopy
earth ele is kind of a meme
that thing if it gets aggro dies instantly and you lose 15% max hp and 5% dr
technically yes though aoe stun/knock up as well
knock up being more important since you cant DR it
severe haven
It's technically a defensive
weary silo
remember hwne shockwave wasa good utility
magic canopy
Warrior utility is our big dam
for now ;-;
spark harbor
Hi yall new to the server, where do I find talent builds? The wowhead stuff is outdated and kinda bad I’ve heard
magic canopy
if you are looking for next patch stuff sims are being worked on as we wait for more changes to be posted
spark harbor
Nah just current
magic canopy
the wowhead should be up to date as far as i know
spark harbor
Patch isn’t tmrrw is it lol?
magic canopy
nope
spark harbor
Hm I’ll look into it, the one I saw was from last year and the comments said it wasn’t that great
hardy olive
Arms owns
magic canopy
wtf that didnt work
theres a link to the builds for and M+ in ther
its a little hidden in the base ui here but that should answer most questions
magic canopy
npnp once you do a little digging feel free to ask more specific stuff in here or the fury channel
silk spade
zealous pivot
Welp time to switch over from the fury channel
cosmic fossil
nova marsh
its omega unhealthy for the class and probably one of the reasons why they didnt...
and now dogs are dead af
median scroll
reddit
upbeat pelican
did you feel like a relic of the past?
dim basalt
The only time I say fuck yeah is when I get to keep all jugg stacks until execute
Which is like never
eager sigil
yea it just takes getting used to
thick kelp
that is fury
static grove
Hey anyone know if servers are down right now?
quasi torrent
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hMqvb8QiUk
7
quasi torrent
Juggernaut is now a cringe thing across all warrior
this video ruined warrior design for more than half a decade
👍
thick kelp
Warrior design died on august 14th 2018
thick kelp
arms = warrior
quasi torrent
flowed nicer than legion honestly, but felt less impactful
dim basalt
+1
quasi torrent
arms = warrior
find god
quasi torrent
i can almost guarantee you i have more hardcore credentials than you
slow saddle
Ngl. Then u should prob play fury
dim basalt
No need to be so serious
quasi torrent
I'm not
boreal quartz
i can almost guarantee you i have more hardcore credentials than you
I banish thee to the shower
But fr
quasi torrent
I banish thee to the shower
I probably shower more than is healthy for my skin
thick kelp
ayo
dim basalt
Colossus do be blasting tho
thick kelp
wtf is that @boreal quartz
boreal quartz
Venom drinking milk gif
quasi torrent
colossus (demolish) is truely ass
slow saddle
I mean slayer plays like shit on arms vs fury
slow saddle
Imho the fast pace id fun on fury
boreal quartz
I suppose i shall not aoe this pull
thick kelp
give me ravager with slayer
boreal quartz
Real
quasi torrent
I suppose i shall not aoe this pull
good thing arms bladestorm does 0 dam
slow saddle
Slayers profile is morr raid though
boreal quartz
good thing arms bladestorm does 0 dam
Big echt und wahr
quasi torrent
give me ravager with slayer
what u dont like being hard locked into SD and Bladestorm n
boreal quartz
+400 years duration
thick kelp
what u dont like being hard locked into SD and Bladestorm n
SD is fine
arms bladestorm is not
slow saddle
Fact
quasi torrent
I played some keys as am slayer fury with exe talents the other day
it wasn't that bad
thick kelp
I press bladestorm outside of lust and go brew myself coffee
quasi torrent
somehow
boreal quartz
I played some keys as am slayer fury with exe talents the other day
S2 DF fury gameplay loop sirely
dim basalt
Keys without a sham as Slayer feel even more miserable
quasi torrent
S2 DF fury gameplay loop sirely
no, exe did dmg
dim basalt
It sucks for both specs
boreal quartz
no, exe did dmg
I just wanna spam ravager
dim basalt
but worse for slayer imo
quasi torrent
I just wanna spam ravager
well SLAYER don't do that buddy
slow saddle
Rav is great on demo
quasi torrent
but u press a lot of spins
boreal quartz
well SLAYER don't do that buddy
Correct which is unfortunate!
I do enjoy the spam bs but i think reap is ill in the head spell
slow saddle
100%
thick kelp
you give slayer ravager and bladestorm has 0% pickrate
slow saddle
Only on arms
thick kelp
even on fury
boreal quartz
you give slayer ravager and bladestorm has 0% pickrate
Inspiring presence had low pick rate
quasi torrent
I do enjoy the spam bs but i think reap is ill in the head spell
Reap was top dam on a non 0 amount of pulls
slow saddle
Fury forced into bladestorm
boreal quartz
🐸
slow saddle
Dont give em choice
quasi torrent
Inspiring presence had low pick rate
(57% in top100)
thick kelp
Inspiring presence had low pick rate
🐸
boreal quartz
(57% in top100)
We love reclear logs for prog talents
rare kite
SD is fine
Sd with juggernaut is not fine, that has more to do with jugg tho
boreal quartz
quasi torrent
Sd with juggernaut is not fine, that has more to do with jugg tho
SD with slayer*
quasi torrent
just sd wouldn't be that bad with jugg
but the trifecta combo is urgh
jugg has to go tho
rare kite
Yea
thick kelp
I love when my dps swings by a million depending if I high roll my Sd to extend Jugg
boreal quartz
I love when my dps swings by a million depending if I high roll my Sd to extend ...
Bro i dropped a 13 on court and we wiped the pull by 2 Mil HP ages ago
quasi torrent
is just so ass
thick kelp
Your pre execute dps can swing from 2.7m to 3.8m depennding if you proc and extend Jugg till execute phase
thick kelp
Bro i dropped a 13 on court and we wiped the pull by 2 Mil HP ages ago
Dropped a 15 Jugg on Sikran at 37%hp
thick kelp
xD
peak gameplay when the only thing that matters pre execute is extending Jugg and pressing MS
quasi torrent
the pressing ms part is fine
but u should be able to find urself in a position to not have rage to press ms if you overspent
which u honestly fucking can't
halcyon breach
but u should be able to find urself in a position to not have rage to press ms i...
Press 9 slams in a row with no OP resets and you might find yourself in this situation
thick kelp
something along the lines of "execute being pressed too much as colossus"
untold pewter
Essentially the same as outside of it
cloud gyro
evil blizzard
slow saddle
yeah im also very confused bout this execute cd thing
From a gameplay pov
wasnt it kindda fun that u could demo more often in execute phase ? actually made that part more fun
which is kindda the point?
thick kelp
well yeah
slow saddle
Prob issue is they decided slayer = execute + bladestorm
thick kelp
but they decided that we press too much execute during execute phase
slow saddle
Collosus = MS + demo ?
untold pewter
Yeah they want to force that concept
slow saddle
it has to be something like that.
untold pewter
Gotta be
slow saddle
but i mean only reason we held MS was that it was weak ass
thats a tuning of MS modifiers vs Base line MS
doesnt mean u have to remove a fun interaction though 😄
Also Delete Juggernaut i hate that talent. it 100% destroys the fun i have with slayer in raid
cloud gyro
wasnt it kindda fun that u could demo more often in execute phase ? actually mad...
literally
demo execute felt better than slayer execute which is a bit weird ig
slow saddle
i mean Slayer execute IF u go in with 15 stacks of juggernaut
feels fucking lit m8
whole issue is gettin there
vapid pine
Also Delete Juggernaut i hate that talent. it 100% destroys the fun i have with ...
Are you ready to keep Juggernaut up in TOP next season? 🙂 🙂 🙂
thick kelp
Are you ready to keep Juggernaut up in TOP next season? 🙂 🙂 🙂
are u ready spec thane in top next season : D
vapid pine
are u ready spec thane in top next season : D
Fuck true you got me
slow saddle
remove juggernaut, give us the season 3 from df
4p as talent in that spot
we give Execute some aoe ability, would help ESP slayer a lot in keys
while still leaning heavily into execute route
dim basalt
Then colossus needs some adjustments tho
cloud gyro
Slayer is not bad in keys actually
dim basalt
Because with that Slayer will always be the go-to
slow saddle
if juggernaut was tuned around NEVER having 15 stacks until execute
it would also be fine
i dno, its just a talent thats more feels bad, than rewarding when u go into 15 stacks
coz it depends solely on lucky procs here and there
even when playing it flawlessly
thick kelp
Slayer is not bad in keys actually
CcEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGmZmZGzYMLWWWmZGAAAAGMNMzsMzMMWGzMjNzMDGMMAAAAAAAYMLzMzAsFGbbDsAGwMMhMwG
go play
slow saddle
doesnt import kek is that season 2 ?
thick kelp
ye
thick kelp
it had it originally
then Crit said fuck blademasters
🗂️
CcEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGmZmZGzYMLWWWmZGAAAAGMNMzsMzMMWGzMjFzMDGMMAAAAAAAYMLzMzAsFGbbDsAGwMMhMwG
this is the 100% original cook
in all its glory
cloud gyro
CcEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGmZmZGzYMbzyyyMzAAAAwgphZmlZmhxyYmZsYmZwghBAAAAAAAjZZmxAsFGbbDsAGwMMhMwG
This is the beast build
daring heron
then Crit said fuck blademasters
i wanted to blast more st but it didnt even really do that
made me sad
slow saddle
not a fan of blademasters torment, but at least they tried reworking it
cloud gyro
You bladestorm outside of avatar into avatar -> cleavespam
slow saddle
i miss doing more bladestorms
thick kelp
i wanted to blast more st but it didnt even really do that
Should know better, we arent allowed to blast ST
slow saddle
Should know better, we arent allowed to blast ST
what if... demo did 30% more dmg when only hitting 1 target
slow saddle
i dno
dim basalt
Im just afraid it would make spear actually viable and we would have to hope for a crit
dim basalt
Fuck no
dim basalt
dim basalt
Then we would finally crit like enh does with his regular spells
slow saddle
so we feel bad when they drop right before hit
nah tbh, i was just thinkin a nob they could turn pretty easily to up the dmg of collosus in ST in a fun way
ofc we would always pray for a crit
dim basalt
Thats all colossus needs anyway
slow saddle
exactly
dim basalt
Maybe make it have a guaranteed crit
dim basalt
Thats good tho
slow saddle
can be some feel bad moments
dim basalt
More mastery = bigger hits overall
dim basalt
Tho I dont think it would make crit a lot less valuable
Since a lot of damage still comes from Cleave in aoe at least
Would shift slightly towards mastery in ST but still crit in M+ ig
neon socket
is it looking like we are gunna be slayer or colossus next patch?
untold pewter
Likely the same as now
Colossus m+
Slayer raid (unless there are some bosses that may favor colossus)
steep osprey
I think bosses with vulnerabilities favor colossus too but idk if there is any
severe haven
there is
slow saddle
I think collosus is cooler. But dmg is always king
hardy olive
Arms Owns
halcyon valve
cunning jewel
Slayer in M+ is always awful ?
boreal remnant
Wave lil question about the APL, it says that in execute phase MS comes into the rotation when you've got 2x EP and 2x LB, but I've also been told that the rotation is ms > exe > exe op > ms, so that's only 2x EP and 1x LB
So is the rotation supposed to be ms > exe > exe > op > op > ms?
line in question: actions.slayer_execute+=/mortal_strike,if=dot.rend.remains<2|(debuff.executioners_precision.stack=2&buff.lethal_blows.stack=2)
thick kelp
you press execute or OP depending on your rage
till you have 2x ep 2xLB
and then MS
thick kelp
if u have alot of rage
u wanna send a 40 rage execute over a op
if u have little rage you OP to not rage starve
thick kelp
dont worry our new tier will cause even bigger variation
fallen agate
I'm still annoyed that Blizzard changed Colossal Might stacks by removing execute from it. We want players using big DPS cooldowns rather than spamming Execute only. So we nerfed a big DPS cooldown and did nothing to compensate for it.
Brilliant!
fallen agate
Not when ST is going to take close to 60 seconds to get all 10 stacks on an ability that is a 45 second cooldown.
Buffing it's dmg don't matter if your target moves away before all 3 hits have landed.
dim basalt
Its not gonna take that long tho
Otherwise colossus would be pretty shit in M+
Even rn
fallen agate
End of the day it was a bad change. They looked at bad warriors spamming execute and nerfed getting stacks?
fallen agate
Fire the warrior Dev or better yet force them to play warrior for once.
thick kelp
on ptr it takes like 17 seconds to reach 10 stacks
fallen agate
On aoe packs sure
thick kelp
single target
fallen agate
MS is 5.2 second cooldown with haste? Without aoe from cleave your not cutting the stacks to 17 seconds unless your getting insanely lucky procs
thick kelp
idk im looking at the timeline here and it goes as low as 15s and longest was 22s
between sending demolish and reaching 10 stacks
fallen agate
Mind sharing that cause last I tested on the PTB it was almost 60 seconds.
dim basalt
Yeah its insanely quick
fallen agate
Ty
thick kelp
1:50 to 2:14
astral yarrow
only 70k behind slayer 
dim basalt
Honestly the 70k could be enough to just play Colossus
dim basalt
nvm
fallen agate
I'm sticking to Colossus no matter what.
thick kelp
Good luck!
thick kelp
wasnt that with cheater ilvl tho
Naw this is fixed
astral yarrow
colossus down bad
fallen agate
I enjoy it and my guild let's us play whatever as long as we don't sit on the floor the whole fight
thick kelp
Happy for you
fallen agate
We are AotC not a Cutting edge guild. So a bit more relaxed.
thick kelp
Yeah thats pretty cool
dim basalt
Blasting colossus on ovinax is giga fun
fallen agate
I'm trying Dracthyr this season over my Worgen.
mellow ore
Hell yea
fallen agate
I really do enjoy Colossus. Do wish Mountain of Muscle and Scars was more the 5% size so you know at a glance your dealing with a Colossus.
thick kelp
Yeah dragon double jump was pretty useful this tier on Ansurek!
dim basalt
P3?
dim basalt
Oh right
fallen agate
Any knockbacks it's really good for.
fallen agate
That fight was a laggy mess
dim basalt
Yet got to P1 intermission like 3 weeks ago
fallen agate
Too much ground clutter and too many swirling effects to play it on older pcs without massive frame drops
Really wish Blizzard would give the FF14 option to turn off other friendly player attacks. I personally don't care to see the fireballs flying over my head hitting the boss when it's not mine. I just want to see my stuff and the bosses.
real vault
Ansurek was turbo fine after the hell of ovinax
median scroll
Really wish Blizzard would give the FF14 option to turn off other friendly playe...
but you can
dim basalt
but you can
Not entirely iirc
fallen agate
Not everything
median scroll
spell density -> Essentials
you only see the ones that benefit you
so no mage fireballs
etc.
dim basalt
Pretty sure Im using that and still see more stuff
astral yarrow
muh rpg feel
fallen agate
No you still see mage fireballs and what not with that option on I use it
astral yarrow
just like how parry adds texture
fallen agate
For some reason it turns off effects like hearthstone recalls cause that's essential?
I wish it did work that was though
teal fossil
muh rpg feel
Unironically though
fallen agate
My PC is 6 years old it not dead yet but it's getting close sadly.
teal fossil
Wow feels like a single player game sometimes
Especially in raid
It doesn’t have a debuff/buff Ally mechanics like other rpgs (Aug excluded)
astral yarrow
https://www.twitch.tv/aagaardx/clip/DaintyObliqueGarageMikeHogu--bIf93qNRW7MrZh4
This didnt feel like single player game
fallen agate
Paladins kind of do but ya the fact most things are passive makes it feel like your only doing your dps and not helping the group
astral yarrow
https://www.twitch.tv/bondbl/clip/ManlyAstutePeafowlCoolStoryBro-g6KDOZAS-WDMjw2...
gromnak my goat
fallen agate
https://www.twitch.tv/bondbl/clip/ManlyAstutePeafowlCoolStoryBro-g6KDOZAS-WDMjw2...
Do you have enough icons on that buff bar? 😉
astral yarrow
what buff bar
stone marsh
Hi guys, been hearing Arms is s tier next patch. Any tips for a newcomer?
astral yarrow
Hi guys, been hearing Arms is s tier next patch. Any tips for a newcomer?
hit MS on cd
fallen agate
Hit enemies with the sharp pointy end.
stone marsh
hit MS on cd
Even on execue and aoe?
fallen agate
Unless your using a mace. Then we all shun you
astral yarrow
with aoe it depends, but yes
stone marsh
Unless your using a mace. Then we all shun you
Eww, maces
thick kelp
Do you have enough icons on that buff bar? 😉
theres 2 buffs on the buff bar
fallen agate
Yes MS is your main source of dmg it should be your main focus to use.
steep osprey
with aoe it depends, but yes
depends on whether you can cleave?
fallen agate
theres 2 buffs on the buff bar
Not the top bar you got 3 lines of buffs.
Guess I'm just used to only seeing 7 buffs per line for 2 lines on my ui.
astral yarrow
depends on whether you can cleave?
target count and sweeping strikes uptime
age old question
void bay
Unless your using a mace. Then we all shun you
Remember in classic where in arms you had to pick a weapon type to get a "buff" ...so you could pick poleaxe specialisation for 5% crit with axes and polearms, and then you would get a nice sword and have to respec
fallen agate
I do my warrior I've had since 04. She was Night elf back then. When cataclysm rolled around she became Worgen.
void bay
neat
fallen agate
That's why I rolled a second arms warrior to make the Dracthyr.
void bay
my warrior is from 2004 too, but i made it alliance and its been basically sat unplayed for 6 years lmao
always been horde
fallen agate
Back in the day I would have giggled at that but then again I'm only an Alliance player with 20 years of it. But now and days with the cross faction guilds I'm happy with running with horde and Alliance
I don't even have double agent.
wanton sierra
we meta now? xD
fallen agate
Oh God no... please no.
void bay
Back in the day I would have giggled at that but then again I'm only an Alliance...
having a blast now though....but on fury.....
yeah the cross faction stuff is neat....back in the day id have baulked at it, but on the server I was on horde just destroyed the alliance in everything, and I found alliance boring really:
- human
- midget
- slightly bigger midget with crap scottish accents done by americans
- purple sparkly people with big ears
fallen agate
Ya I only went Alliance to kill my boss who went Horde at the start of WoW.
fallen agate
He deserved it and I did pvp him when I could find him.
Ended up getting Commander on my resto druid which was a pain. No honor back then without killing blows.
My turn for FM got cap broken by a gnome warrior so I was content to stop at Commander.
After that I started enjoying my warrior and keep both at max level every expansion.
void bay
I think I got to vice legionaire or something by just doing avs all day.....was grinding for azuresong mageblade......and then when I got it i just carried on....there wasnt much to do outside of raids tbh in classic
fallen agate
We had a system of 5 min 5 cap AB.
Was the only reason I was able to get good honor.
I almost burned myself out as I was a hard-core raider as well as a pvper.
Still have 39/40 shards of Aeitesh.
So these days I'm much more relaxed on how I play wow
void bay
Yeah I had way more time back then, and was way younger (obviously)
also there wasnt anything like wow either
icy mulch
I want us to be meta so I can be as much of a bitch to people that snubbed me for not being meta.
Man I wish I could allow myself to be that petty.
mellow ore
Just do it
wanton sierra
i hope we dont become meta, but its nice to see buffs... especially colossus buff
fresh spire
~~I want us to be meta so I can be as much of a bitch to people that snubbed me ...
Being top 10>top5
(We won't get shot so hard)
thick kelp
being nerfed>>>
naive sage
We can be 2nd to last for all I care as long as arms is better than fury
Based and real
onyx rapids
was fury main but now testing arms in retail live. once you get the hang of it, its not really that bad.
actually in big pulls its pumping good numbers!!
cant wait for season 2!!!
woven wasp
We can be 2nd to last for all I care as long as arms is better than fury
A rising tide brings up all ships brother
olive nest
A rising tide brings up all ships brother
True!
lean geode
What time do new PTR builds usually come out? Like near end of day PST right?
meager timber
So when I am in higher keys
I switch to arms for my defensive for almost all big dam then use the heal strike?
Or pop spell shield or combination of both?
dim basalt
I switch to arms for my defensive for almost all big dam then use the heal strik...
Dstance pretty much always, healing only if you really need it
Spell block if its magic damage and you know you wont need it in the next 25 seconds
meager timber
That’s so weird that the primary defensive is dstance
dim basalt
DBTS is also there
meager timber
My brain can’t handle it 😄
meager timber
And we never use ignore pain?
dim basalt
Not worth the hassle
olive nest
What time do new PTR builds usually come out? Like near end of day PST right?
They usually pop the new builds out in the “afternoon” my time (cst)
It varies when
dim basalt
Low shield value for how much rage it costs which we cant always afford in keys
meager timber
Gotcha
dim basalt
Let alone the long cd lol
meager timber
So I should really make a stance dance macro
meager timber
I hated arms for some random reason started an undead arms warrior up in past two weeks and now im addicted as all hell to it and might main switch lol
Trying to get everything set up for season 2 🙂
dim basalt
Cant wait for liquid and echo to run 2x arms followed by insta nerfs
meager timber
lol you remeber what happened last season with fire mage? Lowest played class with lowest dmg but like preheat pulled some massive number in a fight and his one parse got class nerfed :/
halcyon valve
Cant wait for liquid and echo to run 2x arms followed by insta nerfs
yea
dim basalt
Pretty sure there were no nerfs but just bugfixes
And Preheat got a lot of shit for it
Probably still does
meager timber
lol seriously?
dim basalt
Yeah what he did was bug abusing
meager timber
This is a the more you know moment
dim basalt
He stopped quickly but people kept being salty
olive nest
lean geode
Cant wait for liquid and echo to run 2x arms followed by insta nerfs
Surely some other spec is really good at sniping little shitter adds and tanks the nerf instead