Where's that DH guy, they finally fixed this Aldrachi talent lmao
#arms
steep osprey
thick kelp
Sending a 8/8mysthic as we speak
tacit crystal
Where's that DH guy, they finally fixed this Aldrachi talent lmao
@mild nymph
boreal quartz
philwarr also works
boreal quartz
Sending a 8/8mysthic as we speak
🫡 at least 1 philwar has CE now
tacit crystal
i have too many warriors
boreal quartz
not a problem
thick kelp
o7
boreal quartz
i have lik e8
steep osprey
boreal quartz
Sending a 8/8mysthic as we speak
is this tmys was now or mine i cant tell
i think its like 90% overlap anyways
tacit crystal
i still need to level this
thick kelp
is this tmys was now or mine i cant tell
tmys
boreal quartz
tee em whyyy
tacit crystal
@boreal quartz
help
what other melee should i learn
war enh rogue aug
thats what ik now
rare kite
not only moving away. but going to the worst addition to the game EVER
steep osprey
DHs literally missing 8% damage from their aldrachi hero tree for the entirety of season 1
rare kite
steep osprey
tacit crystal
tacit crystal
do i just make a second evoker
steep osprey
(wounded quarry)
tacit crystal
and make it schnappi
boreal quartz
DHs literally missing 8% damage from their aldrachi hero tree for the entirety o...
no escape
eternal torment
tacit crystal
who is that pfp
boreal quartz
Az
boreal quartz
oh
tacit crystal
the pfp
steep osprey
I think that's a character from Castlevania
boreal quartz
@opal folio who was that PFP again
tacit crystal
I forgot her name
how much haste do ineed before i can play
steep osprey
you can obviously play like that but enha really wants haste
tacit crystal
mommy
tacit crystal
you can obviously play like that but enha really wants haste
i feel so slow
naive sage
how much haste do ineed before i can play
I have like 29% on my sham
boreal quartz
how much haste do ineed before i can play
equip clothing
tacit crystal
wtf
rare kite
how much haste do ineed before i can play
go spam arakara
tacit crystal
naive sage
with flask <:critcake:984549832511344640>
I use mastery flask now
tacit crystal
go spam arakara
!
steep osprey
rare kite
rare kite
do i press tempest during ascendence
yes
steep osprey
do i press tempest during ascendence
yeah lmao
rare kite
idk i just ppress buttons. seems to kinda work
steep osprey
helps a lot
tacit crystal
do i manually or let windstrike press
rare kite
windstrike doesn't press it for you if you have it press chainlightning
steep osprey
windstrike doesn't press it for you if you have it press chainlightning
It does actually
But it feels weird
tacit crystal
how
steep osprey
sometimes it doesn't, sometimes it does for me
rare kite
It does actually
definetely does not
tacit crystal
@steep osprey am i allowed to press feral lunge
on bloodbound horror
or does it instantly make me die
steep osprey
I think it was fine when I pressed it
thick kelp
<@375724772446830594> am i allowed to press feral lunge
Might send u to zimbabwe
but u will stay alive
steep osprey
classic enha
tacit crystal
i procced
like 8 wolves
back to back
i got taken out though
how much do 8s and 10s give
steep osprey
how much what
tacit crystal
12 16?
opal folio
<@468117856664682522> who was that PFP again
Carmilla (Castlevania)
brittle fiber
Lenore stans stand up
opal folio
🧎♂️
steep osprey
Is that the magician lady
opal folio
No, I think you're thinking of Sypha
steep osprey
I am
opal folio
Lenore is one of the vampire trio in Carmilla's council
steep osprey
I don't remember that but I probably haven't gfotten that far
opal folio
untold pewter
There's a channel that's better for that: #449510248579858432
mild nymph
Where's that DH guy, they finally fixed this Aldrachi talent lmao
Wallahi
mild nymph
DHs literally missing 8% damage from their aldrachi hero tree for the entirety o...
no
wounded quarry got reworked
the rework was bugged on ptr
previous wounded quarry worked fine
steep osprey
wounded quarry got reworked
What’s it on live
halcyon valve
Ravers mark 
jaunty ledge
hey guys im trying to learn arms and im a bit confused, in aoe scenarios do we press mortal strike at all? im playing the colossus spec
or do we save the 2 charges we gain from overpower to spend on cleave
thick kelp
you rotate cleave ms op tc or cleave op tc ms prio depending on talents and if sweeping strikes is up
tacit crystal
you rotate cleave ms op tc or cleave op tc ms prio depending on talents and if s...
You people are killing me
@ all of you:
Have you read the wowhead and maxroll guides covering the rotation? Have you looked at high-ranking fury logs and compared them to yours? Have you looked at other log reviews in this channel and checked if you're doing the same things correctly/incorrectly? Do you have specific questions about when to use cds for specific fights, or how to handle specific rotational situations?
"What can I fix?" "Is my rotation correct?" "Why am I / my damage bad?"
These are questions that can kind of be answered by log review, but 1) it's a lot more beneficial for you to do that yourself as a learning experience, and 2) nobody has time to look at EVERYTHING in your log to get a wholistic answer to just general questions
Specific questions can be answered much more easily and accurately, and the process of you doing the investigation on your own to generate those specific questions will make you a better player overall
thick kelp
the main talents affecting rotations are Dreadnaught and Juggernaut in aoe
untold pewter
You people are killing me
@ all of you:
Have you read the wowhead and maxroll gu...
Broski this disc is for talking about warriors
Don't try to gatekeep
Let people ask
And we'll answer
And if you don't want to answer, don't
weak lion
What talent build should I go for m+ if I want to learn before the buffs?
livid cloak
Its definitely a copy paste
weak lion
what is likely to be most similar to the best tree for 11.1
untold pewter
magic canopy
:3
tacit crystal
:3
tacit crystal
Broski this disc is for talking about warriors
untold pewter
Fucking Walhe
thick kelp
wowowow
untold pewter
thick kelp
I copied that from log reviews like months ago
untold pewter
Too old copy pasta for my 
lean geode
Me when my genuine expression of frustration becomes a copypasta
tacit crystal
Me when my genuine expression of frustration becomes a copypasta
hi bigbowwl
remember when we typed that every time in log review
the good days
lean geode
People not doing the bare minimum to help themselves and asking others to put in the effort for them is like my number 2 pet peeve
thick kelp
whats number 1
lean geode
Hopefully s2 isn't quite as bad about that
thick kelp
lean geode
whats number 1
People chewing with their mouth open and making all sorts of noise
lean geode
Ban him
lean geode
Go back to 2004 and windmill dunk on the children and dads who don't know what they're doing
dim basalt
tbh the copy pasta isnt even wrong
dim basalt
Theres a lot of questions that can be solved by looking at a guide for 5 seconds
fresh spire
https://tenor.com/view/fish-live-reaction-reaction-emote-live-fish-reaction-gif-14675309167101341747
minor gust
People not doing the bare minimum to help themselves and asking others to put in...
That shit annoys me so much. People basically wanting you to be their google.
astral yarrow
fresh spire
goated website
fresh spire
minor gust
Honestly should set up the discord log review channel to make you read the post Walhe did today first before your allowed to post in log review
fresh spire
"read wowhead then post"
minor gust
astral yarrow
what is lore
quaint otter
baby dont hurt me
shadow ibex
i did 200 something pulls as fury on myth queen and if you held a gun to my head and asked if im supposed to milk enrage uptime or send rampage i wouldnt know
i aint reading no fury shit
sharp wyvern
magic bowling ball for magic fingers
minor gust
its for troll players only aparently
brittle fiber
People not doing the bare minimum to help themselves and asking others to put in...
Ah, i see the retail warrior discord shares similar issues with the classic one
minor gust
tbf every discord has this issue
brittle fiber
I told a ret pal in our team his dps was shit and he asked me, a monk player, if i could teach him
latent hull
I told a ret pal in our team his dps was shit and he asked me, a monk player, if...
How do u have bad dps as ret
Isnt ret easiest spec
Since fury no longer 2 buttons and idk rotation like do u press ramoage bloodbath or thunderblast
minor gust
same reason anyone does bad dmg in retail either not hitting buttons enough because your to focused on mechanics or hitting buttons in the wrong order
fallow osprey
how is arms feeling on ptr for next tier? I know its subject to change but im being forced into the warrior slot for the buff on my raid team and id pref arms over fury
tacit crystal
design issues
gusty nymph
DPS is medium/low, utility low. For hardcore fans only
rare kite
how is arms feeling on ptr for next tier? I know its subject to change but im be...
unfortunate
fallow osprey
sadge because i hate fury 
guess im suffering this next tier
severe haven
sorry for your loss
rare kite
sadge because i hate fury <a:keksquad:766690598635044895> guess im suffering th...
when was the last time you played arms?
brittle fiber
How do u have bad dps as ret
He didnt have his trinkets keybound
shadow ibex
Go birds
crystal nexus
if i run opportunist do i go overpower > ms when i have opportunist active, or just perma prio ms?
lean geode
Honestly should set up the discord log review channel to make you read the post ...
Walhe getting credit for my original content is crazy work
crystal nexus
ty
minor gust
Walhe getting credit for my original content is crazy work
excuse muah for not knowing the lore
brittle fiber
The misinformation in this server has gone too far
brittle fiber
if i run opportunist do i go overpower > ms when i have opportunist active, or j...
Just follow the steps here
crystal nexus
Just follow the steps here
ahh i see where i've been going wrong now
quaint otter
Just follow the steps here
Would be funnier if u posted ench prio
quaint otter
I'm impressed
That deep seek?
untold pewter
That deep seek?
ChatGPT
bleak thunder
Hello, very good, I want to start in WoW at the time of raidee, but I haven't played in years, I wanted to know first what is the currently strongest warrior spec in raid and mythics plus?
thick kelp
Both are pretty mid
vapid pine
Strongest is probably prot lmao
brittle fiber
Hello, very good, I want to start in WoW at the time of raidee, but I haven't pl...
Strongest warrior spec is enh shaman
severe haven
warrior is the enh pet
naive sage
2h enha would be based ngl
icy mulch
Damn, taking it back to Vanilla where they could one global a clothy with windfury proc. Lol
brittle fiber
Yea because we need enh shaman being both better fury and arms warriors
minor gust
alread are
chilly coyote
Arms is always the correct answer. Just bruteforce into a good showing
Fury is stinky af
Literally ickmaxxers
slow saddle
It was not
Busted
It was bursty
In hc dungeons
But ye had they not nerfed us, wed prob be on par with ret//surv currently
Mby 5% ahead
severe haven
Right they nerfed it 4 times back to back because it was doing mid aoe burst
slow saddle
Mo
Go slayer
Press all buttons in hc dungeon
Shit dies so fast
So an actual measure of anykind of sustained fight was never tested, it was 100% kneejerk nerfs
severe haven
RWF is hc dungeon apparently lol
slow saddle
Rwf was after first nerfs
slow saddle
It was decent
severe haven
People forget fury was nerfed going into tww as well
slow saddle
Brought coz it could clear add shit fast
So was arms
Coz the prepatch made em to good
severe haven
Arms got nerfed due to association
slow saddle
Nah it was prob opposite actually
Arms was top dps
For a week or 2 in st
Then we got the 15%ms base dmg nerf and op ners
But fury wasnt better. Than what enhancement has and will be next patch
But they did make slayer to frondloaded in dmg 100%
And arms shouldda been thane not demo
Demo should be fury
drifting widget
Give fury one button that actually feels like it does something you mean
drifting widget
They make a lot of noise, but didn't do much
slow saddle
I even when fury was worse, itnfeels like im beating the shit out of anyclass
Then meter shows me blue and pink boy ahead of me
Or red
Or yellow
brittle fiber
If you wanna play a class that has abilities with an identity crisis just play monk. In ptr, it’s single target abilities have some of the lowest damage profiles in ST
gaunt owl
still waiting for arms tuning
they should end the suffering
and put Arms downs for good
vapid pine
They have, you just ain't got the message bro
naive sage
And arms shouldda been thane not demo
Real
naive sage
and put Arms downs for good
Real^2
slow saddle
Doing fuckin big thunderclaps on arms
Wouldda felt so much better
With huge ms on procs
Instead we get slayer and demo. Tbh slayer plays shit on arms vs fury, but numbers makes us play it
shadow ibex
maybe new hero specs in midnight
naive sage
maybe new hero specs in midnight
You put a lot of trust in Blizzard
shadow ibex
i think there's a lot of easy changes to be made but too late now. if you cut one 90 sec CD and put more nodes under avatar higher up that was at like double times place in the tree
i dont think we get any major change until next .5 or .7patch at best tho
if avatar was at DT and spear didnt exist and had better nodes under avatar class tree would eat less ass
astral yarrow
People forget fury was nerfed going into tww as well
Fury was nerfed because the burst is so up front leading to it deleting adds before anyone else could touch them. Fury wasnt any better than others in any form of sustained cleave. They then kept nerfing the damage instead of fixing the isse; Avatar+OF+Roar and BS in 2 globals. Fury was basically the incarnation of "stealing damage".
severe haven
Yeah
astral yarrow
giga op in raid, dogshit in keys 
severe haven
giga op in raid, dogshit in keys <:okayge:917646812519739433>
Now dog in both
quasi torrent
giga op in raid, dogshit in keys <:okayge:917646812519739433>
hey it was good in 10 keys where mobs died within ur burst
then in real keys it was gonna be mid at best anyway as it was
fresh spire
more than once
heavy heron
remove spear give back AA 
gaunt owl
Fury was nerfed because the burst is so up front leading to it deleting adds bef...
it was all part of the plan
for once that Fury was goated for something
sacred zodiac
remove spear give back AA <:Aftershock:742631092326236282>
die AA
olive nest
AA bis
gaunt owl
Auto Attack are based yeah
olive nest
Imagine multi strike AA rage gen
gaunt owl
Arms should be only about AA
we AA horizontally
vertically
diagonally
imagine the gameplay
shadow ibex
aa probably more of a spec tree thing
candid pecan
omg... hitting dummies on the PTR, did a +12 as fury. Can they buff Arms? again?
maybe some quality of life changes? who am I kidding, just buff the dmg
fresh spire
surely 40% aura
sacred zodiac
surely 40% aura
40% nerf incoming
brittle pelican
50% nerf
Arms spec renamed to Arm
gaunt owl
100% nerf Arm spec renamed to Torso
brittle pelican
XD
candid pecan
just rework Martial prowess into this
After using OP not CS
so ez
or just buff the abilities, again
brittle pelican
Replace mortal strike with fyralath
gaunt owl
i'm gonna puke
problem is Martial prowess does the same shit Execution precision do
no twist just boring ass amp
Shattered Defenses was fun time
fresh spire
40% nerf incoming
fr
livid cloak
I haven't done any ptr, are the buffs not feeling good or what
gaunt owl
you guys voted for Trump but he wont MAGA
livid cloak
Why everyone dooming
quaint otter
just rework Martial prowess into this
another ms modifier blessrng
grave shore
hey fellas quick noob question, in aoe (lets say ish 5 targets), should I prio Mortal strike > Overpower while cleave is on cd or should I use overpower for the 30% cleave buff
shadow ibex
ok in quotes sums up arms since bfa
dire hinge
hey fellas quick noob question, in aoe (lets say ish 5 targets), should I prio M...
It depends on the hero tree you're playing. In AoE you're likely playing Colossus though.
Overpower takes priority above MS if you have "Dreadnaught" talented.
Without Dreadnaught, then yes MS beats out OP if Cleave is on cooldown.
fresh spire
It depends on the hero tree you're playing. In AoE you're likely playing Colossu...
this
teal fossil
just rework Martial prowess into this
why do you want crit chance instead of damage
crit chance would just devalue crit
candid pecan
have you played arms during Legion?
teal fossil
and if you want both MS is gonna hit like a wet noodle
saying "revert to legion" is different from changing MP to crit chance
candid pecan
ok then what would you suggest?
dire hinge
rework into a healing spec 
teal fossil
ok then what would you suggest?
an entire rework
crit chance is just another flavor of damage increase
reverting to legion would be "optimal" but they arent gonna do that
also if our damage numbers are high enough people wont complain
river ridge
reverting to legion would be "optimal" but they arent gonna do that
And have no damage when we don't have CS on a target? Pass.
candid pecan
also if our damage numbers are high enough people wont complain
agree
teal fossil
i noticed that all the “issues" that arms has just disappears
when the spec is good in raid
dire hinge
oh 100%, people stop dooming when we are near the top, even if the spec isn't fun and doesn't interact well
candid pecan
yes, so if it's difficult for a rework or even a small rework, then just buff the dmg on abilities and call it a day
dire hinge
nothing says "masterful strategist and tactician" spec quite like a rotation built primarily around RNG procs and resets
teal fossil
nothing says "masterful strategist and tactician" spec quite like a rotation bui...
ok tbf
arms doesnt have a theme to it
since its just a guy swinging a big sword
so the “tactician" part is building up a big blaster of a MS
teal fossil
(ignore the part where your base MS is nerfed to the ground）
gaunt owl
when arms is good all the issues magically disappear
dps meter are the bane of our existance
teal fossil
nah its good
i want dps meters in league
so i can flame in real time
instead of end of game
gaunt owl
DPS meter fucked Fury right up the ass this tier
with the most mediocre ST
but god tier nuking AOE
dire hinge
the rough "theme" is fury is unchained, fast, ruthless
arms is supposed to be slower, chunkier and more mindful (again, in theming, not in practice)
teal fossil
the 4 globals
teal fossil
just turn off your meters at the 5th global
olive nest
Kekw
dire hinge
“Master of mobility and weapons”
let me use a bow again cowards
teal fossil
berserkers are a well established archetype in games
and is generally a bit more interesting
big 2handers are a bit harder to make work
darius though 👌
steep osprey
Is it dooming time again
candid pecan
no, we have big Rampage/BT fury to spam
teal fossil
isnt fury pretty op if its shipped in its current state
candid pecan
Enha is still... stronger
steep osprey
We’re hard capped to 5
WW should go up to 8
Fuck it
It makes sense now with shitty aoe cds
And strong rotational abilities
Should be the next change
coral crescent
if outlaw gets 8 so should fury
teal fossil
make meat cleaver do the 8 target thing that outlaw does
cleave for 45-55% depending on target count
or whatever the number is
shadow ibex
master of mobility
(hero talent that roots you)
if you wanna be super technical its actually least mobile of 3 specs
naive sage
Something similar to monk’s combo system would be cool imo
Performing a certain combo of abilities increases your damage and attack speed or crit
This would be fitting with the “strategist” theme
shadow ibex
all have same amount of charge/intervene. fury runs faster and prot has shield charge tho
so the master of mobility actually has the worst
steep osprey
if outlaw gets 8 so should fury <:yep:703420923625078804>
It was fine when fury’s aoe cds actually did damage but now that it’s all in rotational abilities, they should make it 8
It’s the only source of damage now
untold pewter
arms doesnt have a theme to it
Arms is supposed to be equivalent to like a D&D Fighter/Champion
While Fury would be your typical Barbarian/Berserker
The execution is a bit off but the theme is there
steep osprey
Outlaws aoe is only from
Blade flurry that’s why it’s 8 targets
Fury’s aoe wasn’t strictly cleave
But on ptr it’s just worse because the cds like TR are so bad that not picking them is barely an upgrade
quaint otter
lean bough
Hey all, what are some WeakAuras for Arms you've found invaluable this season? Especially on Queen. I've been playing Prot all season and have been asked to switch for this final mythic boss
thick kelp
basic wa package tracking ep + jugg uptime + sd conditionals
swing timer and rage bar big too
quasi torrent
uwu tracker for MS
lean bough
basic wa package tracking ep + jugg uptime + sd conditionals
Thank you!
lean bough
basic wa package tracking ep + jugg uptime + sd conditionals
I noticed there's a lot more nuance to Sudden Death procs now, it's not just a proc that stacks twice
It waves into marked for execution and other stuff right?
weaves*
thick kelp
I noticed there's a lot more nuance to Sudden Death procs now, it's not just a p...
you can use this for the SD conditions
lean bough
https://wago.io/9n9GqeQ6-
Thank you !
lean bough
https://wago.io/9n9GqeQ6-
I'm practicing wiht the weakaura right now, how come some sudden procs give the cash register noise and others dont?
olive nest
Conditions met vs Not met
slow saddle
Only press on chagin
fresh spire
olive nest
vestal isle
hey first week on arms warrior since im being put in jail next season
whats the difference between thunderclap and rend in st?
magic canopy
very minor
alot of players outside of a pure pure ST build just use tclap for everything
so outside of Rank 1 chasing there isnt really that much a dif just use tclap for everything
vestal isle
okay word
my warrior doing more damage then my feral already is absurd
im only 624
teal fossil
Yeah warrior is pretty op rn
quaint otter
Feral is great too
vestal isle
yeah im sad that our warrior is leaving for the hof climb next season
but it is what it is
especially with feral lookin pretty good
halcyon breach
uwu tracker for MS
meow tracker for OP resets
dull karma
i got a weird question
on Ulgarax, can you Die by the Sword the pulling mechanic? As in stand in the eating circle and not take damage?
silk spade
NEED Banezi meowing sfx every time op resets
brittle fiber
on Ulgarax, can you Die by the Sword the pulling mechanic? As in stand in the ea...
Depends on difficulty
Heroic probably if spot heals otherwise no for mythic
dull karma
damn, i thought the damaging mechanic counted as sorta of a physical auto
wicked aurora
especially with feral lookin pretty good
Just play the class you want to play
I don’t see the problem
wicked aurora
Yea but he wants to play Druid
spiral locust
how come you roar before avatar in ST opener?
ivory depot
how come you roar before avatar in ST opener?
Most the damage comes from the bleed which is dynamic and the global in avatar is better spent elsewhere
spiral locust
Most the damage comes from the bleed which is dynamic and the global in avatar i...
so even like an OP or slam is better spent? interesting
the guide says that execute may affect opener if it's usable, where would it slot in?
like would you use it before CS?
shadow ibex
no because you exe at marked for exe stacks
spiral locust
yeah but where in opener does execute fit?
latent moss
when u apply ur dots
dont wanna send exe without deep wounds up
do u mean execute as in
<35% execute or sudden death
u only sd when u have 3x mfe or its falling off or jugg falling off or u have 2 sd stacks
spiral locust
any execute
the guide doesn't specify, and I think it doesn't matter
it says you want to execute quickly in opener if you proc execute, to get juggernaut stacks going early etc
but question is, how early?
fresh spire
first proc of sudden death if you have no stacks if ID means bladestorm unhinged hits 1 extra time, maybe why its there
spiral locust
maybe, but this is all the guide says
silk spade
when u apply ur dots
rare cone sighting
latent moss
rare cone sighting
shadow ibex
looking at primordial storm and then my talent tree 
sacred zodiac
https://tenor.com/view/gold-scar-fortnite-og-meme-gif-16336600376003879735
that golden feeling ...
dire hinge
yeah but where in opener does execute fit?
your opener usually looks like this:
Charge -> Rend -> Roar -> Avatar+CS -> Bladestorm -> {FLEXIBILITY} -> Mortal Strike -> Skullsplitter
When you come out of Bladestorm you might have procs you want to consume before continuing into your Mortal Strike -> Skullsplitter
- You want to cast Execute first if you:
- Have 2 SD stacks
- Have less than 3sec on a SD proc
- Have 3 Marked for Execution stacks
- You then want to cast Overpower if you have Opportunist procced here
- You always cast Mortal Strike between BS/SkS
minor gust
Opportunist pffffff who still plays that these days
dire hinge
true, i dislike it greatly
dire hinge
yeah, mid GCD procs that override priority hurt my brain
it's not difficult persay, but me no likey regardless
minor gust
Mhmmm
dire hinge
Execute > MS > OP
but if you cast MS and a EB reset procs and Opportunist also procs, having to swap to Execute > OP > MS is just... ugh please
shadow ibex
surely with MS buff next tier opp doesnt take prio
or i guess just get enough gear for ff
dire hinge
yeah it's currently looking like we go FF instead
thank goodness
RIP bleed talents though
magic canopy
opportunist is very dead next patch
MS big boom
fresh spire
rare kite
Even now isnt opportunist pretty much dead
prob depends on how much crit you have
magic canopy
dont make me do it
minor gust
I don't keep up with fury as much as I do arms are they not juicing after the 2nd round of buffs?
magic canopy
even if i have to pug all day
fresh spire
Almost 3.1m on sims vs 2.7
magic canopy
another 20% to MS Cleave and overpower
fresh spire
But fury had historically been behind on overall St in raid when around same numbers
rare kite
I don't keep up with fury as much as I do arms are they not juicing after the 2n...
yuh, fury is pretty juiced
fresh spire
So maybe fury will actually not be last on boss dps noe
grand idol
Are we really doubling our dps in a single tier?
rare kite
fury pretty strong atm
grand idol
=/
rare kite
iirc fury simmed gigahigh in s2 dragonflight as well, and were still pretty dogshit st. we will see
fresh spire
minor gust
Figured fury would be owning why they running to blue they should be happy
rare kite
people angry fury playing spear
minor gust
But spear is no longer cringe to play
fresh spire
Ye
minor gust
It's perfectly fine
rare kite
i agree, i think people just hate spear to hate it now. only problem spear has its radius, it's pretty smol
minor gust
Yeah still hits well I'm lazy and do a at player cast macro for spear and I still never miss
shadow ibex
its really lame cuz of radius
fresh spire
shadow ibex
and cast @ player doesnt always work
"
shadow ibex
ive had pulls playing colossus spear on silken court where both bosses didnt get debuff with first spear cast when they are stacked
fresh spire
The orb has spoken
minor gust
I've always hit with @ player idk
rare kite
Yeah still hits well I'm lazy and do a at player cast macro for spear and I stil...
yea i do the same. you feel like the spear radius problem at really big pulls tho. only so and so many targets can fit inside it
minor gust
Granted I've only touched spear on court
fresh spire
Try roar bozo
minor gust
And that boss has a massive hit box
shadow ibex
ive def missed either spider or scarab with it but i also have to do a web thing so my positioning is kinda cringe
shadow ibex
since for w/e reason or dragon refuses to drop theirs in melee
but w/e just melee doing ranged mech things
rare kite
we played spear a bit in s1 df for m+. then people swapped to roar coz they cba'd
minor gust
Pretty good on court
I did I just actually really like the go all in on dmg amp phase with Colossus and spear I think it's fun going for big demo
fresh spire
shadow ibex
i really want spear to just be a utility ability like vortex and put the crit dmg and shit under avatar with a new node
minor gust
Even if you do get sad when no crit.
fresh spire
I really love people play the cursed tree for colossus for bl 1 cy
rare kite
i really want spear to just be a utility ability like vortex and put the crit dm...
good idea, torments are pretty ass
fresh spire
Took garms idea and really overcooked some aids
shadow ibex
avatar should lead to like 3 nodes not 1
fresh spire
Good fun tho
shadow ibex
and let spear be ursol
minor gust
That's me lol still using your spear BL Colossus build for court
It's fun to play on that fight
shadow ibex
ive gotten demo down to 36 seconds cuz ravager + sweeping and crits while im channeling
and the CDR doesnt go away until after cast finishes
and mega low haste
fresh spire
Had two during a 100% drom rave sweep crit rng with eb monster procs
It's stupid fun
minor gust
Yeah we lust on first dispell amp in p2 so lust pot SS hitting both bosses getting massive EB procs and Crits you can get 2 demolishes in 1 cs window
I've had it happen
fresh spire
Ye its pretty gud
shadow ibex
i really wish col was good ST
fresh spire
Probs gonna play Warlords >uproar next time I'm in
shadow ibex
so much more fun than jug stacks
fresh spire
Sitting raids to chill rn to let others get vaults as got mount
minor gust
Yeah I'm full bis and chillin with my parses this tier I'm good to afk till next tier
fresh spire
Just missing ansurek ring really. But it's so minor now
Missing good kyvesa log
Always get lines. Never lucky
shadow ibex
i just want new tier im sick of this shit
fresh spire
shadow ibex
idk why tho nothin changing
fresh spire
minor gust
We keep skipping Kyvezza on farm
shadow ibex
no stupid MS buff stacking tier is good
a good 90 sec trinket in raid
i guess it could be worse
minor gust
I'm not excited for the RNG if hoping you proc a 10 stacks at the right time and keep it going
But I like this tier more than 11.0
minor gust
Yeah I wish they increased it
I hate watching my CDs running with a 10 stacks just waiting to proc
Either increase the proc chance or greatly increase the op dmg it provides cuz it does not feel good to be sitting at 10 stacks
And it not procing
shadow ibex
i still half expected a we'd rather you didnt play arms post after the fury buff
minor gust
Cuz they know arms is a fucking mess so gotta keep the player base playing the better designed one
shadow ibex
i think the class tree is still fucked
3 90 sec CDs at the bottom just dont work they all do 0 dmg compared to spec abilities
minor gust
The story of warrior when is our class tree not shit
They have attempted to fix it like 4 times
shadow ibex
it needed to be revamped instead of bandaids. even the changes next patch arent enough
tr or spear gotta go
teal fossil
i dont think the class tree is that bad
teal fossil
tr or spear gotta go
only this tbh
minor gust
They label it as class tree rework every time but every time it only fixes like 1 problem and then creates another
teal fossil
once they fix this issue we are good
minor gust
Well see if they do at all
Class tree rework attempt number 5 will save it this time I swear
teal fossil
i dont HATE this tree
its all means to an end
rogues class tree is basically just as bad if not worse
minor gust
I don't either but it feels like a never ending issue at this point.
shadow ibex
i dont HATE this tree
its hard to feel any way about it when we're just keeping what we always took
minor gust
We complained about our class tree having to much dmg in it since the beginning
teal fossil
isnt that most specs
shadow ibex
just lose a TR capstone but who cares it doesnt do any dmg anyway
shadow ibex
isnt that most specs
shaman has nothing but util at the bottom
teal fossil
yeah
i think thats every spec
im looking at DH
the only cool thing they get is 2 charges of glaive really
shadow ibex
DK has abom limb i guess
minor gust
DH is a hard one to do I don't blame em
teal fossil
i dont play thsi game a lot
but most of class trees is just getting back what you lost
and then you do like a 3 pick 2 at the end
shadow ibex
i think we're pretty unique in how much dmg we have at ours from avatar alone
teal fossil
sure so we are locked into avatar and pick between spear and roar
instead of 3 pick 2 we are 2 pick 1
shadow ibex
add in the other stuff and i think its p unique to us. armored to teeth etc
yea next tier im p sure we just run warlords
so its just status quo again
teal fossil
add in the other stuff and i think its p unique to us. armored to teeth etc
yeah the random aura buffs on the bototm is REALLY cringe
shadow ibex
all the revamps have done nothing. still playing what i played in DF tbh
minor gust
Two hand spec node
teal fossil
but for dh they just get random utility instead
shadow ibex
now i get shockwave tho
minor gust
teal fossil
this blockades their uncapped aoe
as a 2 pointer
and one of their bottom talents is darkness
shadow ibex
well we must take double time and 2h spec thats p much 2 points insta locked at the bottom
teal fossil
i mean 2h spec is cringe we all know that
shadow ibex
idk 3? revamps and the only difference between now and DF is i can get shockwave easier
teal fossil
next patch its okay ish
shadow ibex
and stormbolt
mild nymph
and one of their bottom talents is darkness
Mfw you don’t want to take darkness cus it’s a dps loss
shadow ibex
you can get it all
minor gust
Wrecking throw still not buffed 😦
shadow ibex
no reason to take a capstone for TR or spear
shadow ibex
thats what i mean its just revamps but same shit as now
minor gust
My face when the ability that owns shields doesn't own shields
teal fossil
My face when the ability that owns shields doesn't own shields
its fine isnt it
shadow ibex
and it doesnt help bloodborne got shot
teal fossil
or is MS just strong to the point that its not worth it
i used to take wrecking all the time when i actually played this game
for ranged damage no cap
minor gust
its fine isnt it
Not even close to how it was in DF
minor gust
It was never buffed
minor gust
Never included
minor gust
I ran it once for queen intermission saw the dmg and was like nah I'm good
shadow ibex
put champ might under avatar
teal fossil
yeah kinda cool that dk has 2 damage nodes at the bottom
thats kinda cool
strength proc and slappy hands
rest are filler garbage
brittle fiber
I miss wrecking throw sooo much
teal fossil
you can just click whatever
brittle fiber
Warriors when they top shield phases just because of a 45 second ability
shadow ibex
you can just click whatever
despite every rework we still do what we've done between picking dmg
teal fossil
tbh
shadow ibex
colossus spear court is probably the one time in awhile
teal fossil
or teeth vs 2h
shadow ibex
and even then you can just play regular arms and get similar result
thats like 99.9% fight design and not cool class tree
teal fossil
i like the cold blood vs supercharge for rogue
brittle fiber
I feel bugs aside that the rogue specs play really nicely
Sub’s probably my least favourite
But the trees are more or less nice despite the rogue doomism
shadow ibex
i dont mind avatar in our class tree just would move it higher up and let us further customize it as an offensive cd
minor gust
yeah avatar should get the divine toll treatment
used to be at the bottom now is at the center of the pally tree
if an abillity is massively important to all 3 specs it should be in the center just like hunter with explosive shot aswell
rare kite
i dont mind avatar in our class tree just would move it higher up and let us fur...
avatar is whatever. not the biggest fan of specs sharing major cd tho. i know shaman has ascendance which is also shared, but that has a different effect for each spec
teal fossil
avatar is also 20% buff it relies on capstones to feel different
but it really doesnt
crimson steppe
boring ahh 20% buff for 20 seconds
how hard would it be to make the capstones more flavorful
whole class needs visual updates honestly, it's just bland besides Reap
minor gust
avatar is held back because its capstones actually just suck so much. They need to do more. Blademasters is alright cuz you feel getting a free SS and more cleaves
you dont really feel fucking 6 seconds of reck
unborn canyon
tribal kindle
Guys....
sacred zodiac
its sad that @magic canopy became woke
fresh spire
icy mulch
https://tenor.com/view/cat-chuni-sleep-gif-20108376
Man, I'd rather do that then go to work.
soft fox
Rerollling arms hunter
its even better than arms
arms used to have this, now it has a cd
boreal quartz
Sweep having a CD is not an issue
naive sage
11.2 tier set 4p leaked
Avatar increases your damage and size by an additional 10%. During Avatar, your damaging spells deal 25% of their damage to nearby enemies. Damage reduced beyond 8 targets
soft fox
Sweep having a CD is not an issue
nobody says its an issue either
tho removing the gcd from it would be nice
boreal quartz
tho removing the gcd from it would be nice
Half GCD is fine
There's 10 things id rather change
boreal quartz
Number 4
50% rage regen recklessness
shadow ibex
Will it be a 30 inc to Ms u think or like 20 again
Our buffs to band-aid the cut off arms I mean
fresh spire
It's ok
Someome on the forum recommended cs/wb being our rage dump and everything else generates
Anyone wanna play arms warrior like a fury warrior guys
brittle fiber
I do miss cs being a spender tbh
icy mulch
Someome on the forum recommended cs/wb being our rage dump and everything else g...
Was that on the EU forums?
fresh spire
Us
I was reading them the other day
Half the people just don't understand why I suggest something a certain way
Even though I've clearly said why
You feel me
Almost like we have a spec that does this alreadfy
icy mulch
I don't think making fury and Arms more similar is a good idea.
Fury game play loop is fine the way it is. It just needs some updates to target caps and make cool downs more impact full. Cause you know, they don't like us doing so much burst damage.
naive sage
I don't think making fury and Arms more similar is a good idea.
Let me word this differently for you
Arms and fury should be the opposite
icy mulch
Yeah, that's a good way to look at it.
I like that they have different game play loops. I just don't like the way arms is right now.
quaint otter
Imo colossus is great idea for arms
icy mulch
Colossus I enjoy minus the sweeping gcd, the fact cool downs are all over the place after the first set. Etc.
teal fossil
yeah my main complaint with arms is that they are going overboard with cdr
livid cloak
Would be neat if demo had something where if you held for 15s or something your next one was 15s sooner
Balance druid has something similar. Be neat to line up 2 in a cs
Or just not feel like shit holding it at end of a pack or bc cs is 20s away
icy mulch
I guess I also have a complaint about Demo being canceled if you have a squirrelly tank.
livid cloak
Or just help with execute rage generation, it feels so shitty
Bring back sudden death tclap
Everyone would be happy
quaint otter
Bring back sudden death tclap
yes and yes
livid cloak
we just cant afford to take it
That's true
I don't raid after aotc so I don't really think about critical thinking since I can't take it in keys
livid cloak
Oh
God rigbt
That's not taken at all anywhere rn is it?
Didn't fishy cook up something with it for 11.1
icy mulch
🤞
naive sage
fresh spire
Goals never press overpower. But likely good if no shaman its gonna feel sog
fresh spire
Was looking into a build that drops fob/colat for soa/deft
Pants will never be a thing
Not when unhinged is 11% of your St as slayer
tacit crystal
dull siren
@fresh spire I need name idea's
misty sandal
Goals never press overpower. But likely good if no shaman its gonna feel sog
That one thing that I keep hearing consistently about next season is holding overpower and my mind is still trying to process that.
dull siren
Got live flagged for "Autism"
fresh spire
Skullissue
tacit crystal
Got live flagged for "Autism"
hi tea uhm why
fresh spire
That one thing that I keep hearing consistently about next season is holding ove...
Martial powess got nerfed remember
The proc for ms damage is 15% not 30. With ms having like 37% more damage in buffs
And cleave also having the same
Overpowers general value is just slipped because of fierce followthrough
misty sandal
Martial powess got nerfed remember
Yeah. But, I mean more of how it will feel trying to fill in where we used to just press overpower now.
fresh spire
You only prio overpower when 7 stacks of tier
To try force a proc
Even opportunist is worse than just a flat ms
icy mulch
Heard you like slayer in keys
No way will Jug be good for keys. You would never get away with this in a pug.
fresh spire
More for bossing than trash
steep osprey
Nerf cleave
If they bring back S3 set slayer would be giga
In m+
I’m dreaming of getting that set back
It’s so good
I NEED IT
fresh spire
Everyone who played s3 dreams of s3
minor gust
Slayer your AOE is cleave and reap yeah keeping Jugg stacks between pulls isn't a big deal
S3 DF your only AOE was bleeds and TC so you really really wanted to keep them jugs for more dmg into next pull
icy mulch
I quit DF shortly after Aug killed S2.
steep osprey
I think they might need to buff that TC more
From the effect
It was 200% back then, right?
steep osprey
Everyone who played s3 dreams of s3
Then why didn’t they make it a new talent when pretty much everyone got some variation of one of their DF sets idk
steep osprey
How about bring it in colo tree
That doesn’t make sense and I’d rather it be a spec thing
Than a hero talent
To spice up the spec itself
Because it needs something
quaint otter
Colossus fantasy
fresh spire
Then why didn’t they make it a new talent when pretty much everyone got some var...
Likely the same reason half our talents stink
steep osprey
Havoc got theirs on PTR, I guess we wait next patch or whatever
fresh spire
0 care
steep osprey
minor gust
Then why didn’t they make it a new talent when pretty much everyone got some var...
I guarantee because MTN thane exists is why we will never get that tier set as a talent
steep osprey
Arms only
quaint otter
What
minor gust
Blizz loves their themes so very very much
steep osprey
I want it to be an arms only talent
Mountain thane existing for fury doesn’t mess with that
minor gust
If TC is anything but a rend applier it encroaches on thane
steep osprey
It doesn’t even feel the same
Pressing thunder clap vs pressing SD and proccing thunder clap
Is a completely different thing imo
quaint otter
Id take colo gets sdclap and slayer passive sweeping
steep osprey
Why don’t you take dn
minor gust
i can dream and hope they atleast give us the tc on SD they don't even have to include the 400% TC dmg increase.
Just the tc on cast is enough for me
quaint otter
Tc is weak itself
minor gust
Well they won't and will never so it is what it is
minor gust
It's never gonna happen
steep osprey
The more people advocate for it on forums etc, the more likely they’ll decide to
minor gust
Now if the Gods of karma want to make it happen to spite me it is what it is I'll take it
steep osprey
It's never gonna happen
I’m not holding my breath but I’ll never say never
I also like the idea of including Enduring Blow on Colossus tree
icy mulch
I'd like to see Thunderclap/blast do a lot more damage or cause a lot more lightning strikes. Would be great for both Fury and Arms.
steep osprey
Or Demolish hit proccing CS for 5 seconds
Or something
Make it always hit for 30% more damage like that
teal fossil
then demolish gets nerfed by 30% to compensate
its like DH eye beam
it auto crits
but thats not a good thing
it doesnt do 100% more damage because it auto crits
its just gets balanced around it
fresh spire
Colssus gets enduring blow
icy mulch
100% auto crit seems kinda broken anyways. Considering it's one of the very few true fully uncapped AoEs.
teal fossil
100% auto crit seems kinda broken anyways. Considering it's one of the very few ...
for eye beam or demolish?
eye beam isnt uncapped AOE neither is demolish
eye beam is 8
its the fel dev thats true uncapped
icy mulch
When did they change that?