Biggest thing to go baseline out of everything. Cleave.
#arms
brittle fiber
Agreed, i overlooked it whoops
solemn ferry
teal fossil
📞
fathom beacon
prot war dropping in. is arms heavily reliant on its bleed damage?
teal fossil
Not heavily
rich kernel
flash back to bfa
fathom beacon
thank god. im trying arms and fury to find a suitable dps offspec. im a one trick prot war pony and i dont know anything about arms or fury or WoW outside of prot war.
i do not like bleed specs
fathom beacon
yeah thats prolly wat ill do. i looked into arms because the secondaries line up nicely
fresh spire
prot war dropping in. is arms heavily reliant on its bleed damage?
its like 10% our damage, pretty baby
tbh stats are whatever, you can play either spec and do fine with wrong stats.
fathom beacon
yeah i know the stats arent a super big deal, but still nice to see it line up. i have two or three braincells less than the required amount in order to understand arms.
fresh spire
arms isn't that hard, but needs more planning for survival vs fury. if you just wanna ape and smash buttons id reccomend fury
olive nest
IMO learning arms would do yourself a big favor because Prot and arms share the same gear
They both heavily favor Crit/haste
And really maintaining rend doesn’t require much effort
rich kernel
Plus, as a prot player, it is much easier to get 1 2h that is good than 2h
fathom beacon
i wont be dps often. maybe just 5% of them time while we train other tanks
fathom beacon
And really maintaining rend doesn’t require much effort
is rend the only thing i have to maintain?
and can i completely replace rend with thunderclap?
olive nest
Really you can just play whatever is most fun to you anyway like stated above already stats won’t hold you back unless you’re trying to compete for rank 1s or something in witch case being as optimized as possible matters
olive nest
is rend the only thing i have to maintain?
Technically rend and deep wounds but deep wounds requires no thought because your highest prio buttons are cleave or mortal strike depending on targets, and both apply deep wounds
Rend is applied by thunderclap if its talented so you could be super lazy and filler with tc instead of slam and never think about rend either
fathom beacon
yeah, not a big fan of rend. just want to know enough to be able to be a semi competent dps for the 5% of the time i gotta dps- and tc is already in my muscles memory
fathom beacon
Plus being an arms gamers makes you a cool giga chad warrior duhhh
i have never heard that but i guess now i have.
fathom beacon
skip leg day!
fresh spire
nubs
teal fossil
yeah, not a big fan of rend. just want to know enough to be able to be a semi co...
Thunderclap is different for arms
It costs rage
You can’t spam it like you do on prot
crystal nymph
What’s the consensus right now of arms v fury? Obv arms is outdoing it in raids but just trying to gauge where the specs are standing with the fresh buffs.
olive nest
Fury do the pumpeth after buffs
crystal nymph
Excellent
dim basalt
Even on aoe? 
crystal nymph
dim basalt
At this point the M+ balancing is just really stupid
dull karma
I biesiege to the elders to guide me! Anyone got a colossus M+ page I could look at?
Please
minor gust
I biesiege to the elders to guide me! Anyone got a colossus M+ page I could look...
Go get em tiger
regal wharf
olive nest
👋
smoky kayak
arms isn't that hard, but needs more planning for survival vs fury. if you just ...
caught in 4k
fresh spire
Fury is subjectively easier for someone just wanting to dps sometimes
(also just fact it naturally survives stuff without effort is a bonus for learning)
smoky kayak
just play Fury 
dim basalt
10% more hp next patch 
But with how tanky arms and fury already are its gonna be insane
halcyon valve
Arms good
minor gust
dull karma
wouldn't having SS off gcd make sense?
dire hinge
it used to have 100% uptime and be entirely passive so
it's on a half-GCD at the moment though
tranquil sundial
is there any rotational change between using fierce followthrough or opportunist?
thick kelp
Yeah
tranquil sundial
what is the change?
thick kelp
you dont prio op as hard cuz u ar missing opportunist
tranquil sundial
fathom beacon
Fury is subjectively easier for someone just wanting to dps sometimes
yeah ill prolly try to learn fury first, after hearing all this advice.
tacit crystal
quaint otter
what am i getting myself into
eternal m+ queue
hollow bane
ye, queue will be not 10s, but like 30m at best
rare kite
im rerolling from enh to arms
now that is a decision of all time
dire hinge
im rerolling from enh to arms
hello fellow Enhance to Arms pipeline victim, welcome in
it's cozy here, we have far less procs to worry about mid-gcd
hot hands can't hurt you any more 
stone marsh
Is colossus really stronger than slayer in M+?
Just curious why so many people play it
sarcasm
dire hinge
Yeah it's quite strong
onyx robin
is there any reason at all to play arms if this last fury buffs come up?
zealous schooner
season 2 dungeon pool looks like a pug nightmare
dire hinge
is there any reason at all to play arms if this last fury buffs come up?
arms owns
but yeah, we won't know until it's live, they can make changes literally hours before the build hits the retail servers
(and tuning afterwards)
play what you enjoy, become good at it
tacit crystal
arms owns <:Armsowns:857748787710787605>
tacit crystal
but yeah, we won't know until it's live, they can make changes literally hours b...
shot after 1 week
untold trench
story old as time
quaint otter
fresh spire
tacit crystal
no
tacit crystal
doom
quasi torrent
yeah arms nerf - 6%
rare kite
arms build soon 4 sure
Fatal mark can now crit
shadow ibex
more spec ability dmg buffs and maybe they will realize that spear hits for like 1 MS
rare kite
Holy moly. Fatal mark crit inside spear and cds
quaint otter
quaint otter
Holy moly. Fatal mark crit inside spear and cds
line that all up to be the #3 details
shadow ibex
im hoping one of those capstones gets removed since at this point we only taking the one that further increases dmg of MS etc
quaint otter
i thought it couldnt
new patch
shadow ibex
take spear not even for spear just to access +crit dam
at that point may as well more avatar up and put more capstones under it letting you customize it as an offensive CD more
sorta like BS leading to unhinged/mbg/dance of death
a boy can dream
quaint otter
dance of death
rare kite
i thought it couldnt
It can't and you better pray it stays that way "my fatal mark didnt crit" so i didnt parse 🙂
shadow ibex
ill trade it being affected by cs/avatar for it to trigger sub 30% for free dmg on random MS
abstract cairn
how's arms in ptr rn? pair with fury or still crappy? 
shadow ibex
feels like it did a few weeks ago
severe haven
how's arms in ptr rn? pair with fury or still crappy? <:deadge:90027992713857843...
Go next angle atm
Behind on fury
lean geode
how's arms in ptr rn? pair with fury or still crappy? <:deadge:90027992713857843...
They were roughly equal in my dummy testing before the fury buff (arms was very slightly ahead), but now fury clears at least in patchwerk
abstract cairn
They were roughly equal in my dummy testing before the fury buff (arms was very ...
i cry
stone marsh
Fury always performs good on lower keys and then falls off a cliff due to its bursty nature
I think critcake was already doing better on 10s-11s with arms
Not sure.
But regardless, if arms was ok and fury got buffed that just means you can probably still play arms
Do you have a link to the fury buffs?
I'll check if the content was before or after
storm lark
stone marsh
@smoky kayak is this on top of the previous buffs or instead?
Separate, it seems from the comment.
slow saddle
Also fury rly doesnt drop of a cliff in aoe. As thane. Thats more of the slayer profile
static grove
Happy weekend gang - 2 questions: does execute still sweep another target if they’re not under 20% threshold?
And during SS with collateral talent, do we just slam cleave and tc or does the ‘second target’ mean anything that hits with ss ?
boreal quartz
Happy weekend gang - 2 questions: does execute still sweep another target if the...
It does sweep exe
Cleave slams with fob so it counts, tc doesnt
It has to hit something tho
static grove
It has to hit something tho
So just spam cleave and slam so long as it’s hitting more than 1? Works well with bone grinder too then?
fresh spire
boreal quartz
So just spam cleave and slam so long as it’s hitting more than 1? Works well wit...
Cleave / op / ms / exe just as per prio
Yes works with MBG too
Stack cleave on 1 pack, rip bonegrinder CD cleave in 2nd pack
minor gust
my hands at thought of having to play fury
Furys honestly not really anymore spammy than arms is
slow saddle
Furys honestly not really anymore spammy than arms is
i mean, i spam more when i play fury ^_^. but mainly coz my brain still thinks its more spammy
slow saddle
Question marks really helpful
if u are unable to read the next 5 lines u obviously will struggle with a ?
slow saddle
anyways, mb if its poorly worded but if u hit Dps-faq u will find 4 guides to rotations
static grove
anyways, mb if its poorly worded but if u hit Dps-faq u will find 4 guides to ro...
Cheers I’m trying to just find some details on the ss window, sorry if I was snappy
slow saddle
Cheers I’m trying to just find some details on the ss window, sorry if I was sna...
is 100% the easiest read
static grove
https://maxroll.gg/wow/class-guides/arms-warrior-mythic-plus-guide
I always thought maxroll wasn’t a trusted source?
slow saddle
its written by revvez
so id say.
it should be, at least until we have some overhaul
fresh spire
https://maxroll.gg/wow/class-guides/arms-warrior-mythic-plus-guide
What if I can't read
Can you read it.too me like a child to a picture book
minor gust
its written by revvez
havent checked out the maxroll guide in awhile does Revvez actually update it at all
rare kite
What if I can't read
fresh spire
slow saddle
havent checked out the maxroll guide in awhile does Revvez actually update it at...
Idno, but its prio seems accurate
minor gust
lookin through it rn looks pretty up to date which is cool I like my picture book guides
I kinda figured they were just gonna do the 11.0 and then not touch it at all till 11.1
fresh spire
Don't think so given they get paid to run adds
fresh spire
Basically some money for themselves/the org
slow saddle
fresh spire
It shows that we get np changes
Real
slow saddle
Nthings changed
minor gust
Man Maxroll has gotten massive over the years
slow saddle
Cleave if u can slam if u must
minor gust
good for them
sacred zodiac
I always thought maxroll wasn’t a trusted source?
revvez' guide is good but mentions too many details that might make it non new player friendly
fresh spire
Maxroll capitalised on d4 and poe2 pretty well
Adding d3 into the mix aswell it has a strong foundation for games that like reading buildguides
Wow was an unexpected addition though
minor gust
yeah their basically making guides for every arpg and MMOrpg out there
minor gust
pre
fresh spire
P
naive sage
🅱️
final cipher
guys, how do i learn to love slam? (i hate it)
quasi torrent
u dont
minor gust
you make a slam macro but change the icon to an abillity you like
thats the best you can do
I like to pretend my slam is Focused Rage
final cipher
you make a slam macro but change the icon to an abillity you like
this is... GENIUS! i will do this
minor gust
you dont
stone marsh
Sadge
Should be slam for maces or slash for weapons with edge
Or even stab for something like a Polearm
Slamming with a Polearm is one of the worst feelings ever in the game
It makes 0 sense
minor gust
I got really stoned few days ago and cooked up what if Slam was just replaced with a giga strong on the gcd Focused Rage. Gives that feel of powering up your hits before striking. Have a cool animation of yelling and getting and an increasingly bigger aura around the character as you gain stacks.
tacit crystal
wtf is focused rage
minor gust
was an off gcd abillity that made your MS do more dmg
basically what MP is now
but was an abillity not a passive tied to op
stone marsh
But focused rage was Off the gcd
Would be crappy to use a GCD that gives no real return
minor gust
the return would be giga buffinf your next MS or Exe or something. People want the idea of a slower harder hitting spec
stone marsh
I think it could cause lots of issues, where it would suck if you don't have that many GCDs before the end of a pack, or you would want to stack it before a specific pull, or all sorts of degen min-maxy things
slow saddle
Bring back shadowlands leggos. Season 3 df 4p as talentd
minor gust
Slam barely does any damage anyways who cares if it does nothing instead!
but yeah def still a stoned cook just for fun
rare kite
Would be crappy to use a GCD that gives no real return
i wouldn't mind it at all i don't think. not like slam is very satisfying to press anyway. we would need some crit chance in our tree if we got focus rage back tho, for some consistency
slow saddle
Tbh templar strike would fit slam better?
So its a sequence so each u sre forced to use in a row is stronger
So bad luck equals at least bettrr slams?
stone marsh
i wouldn't mind it at all i don't think. not like slam is very satisfying to pre...
Why not replace it with something new better?
Just saying that those mechanics got removed/reworked for a reaso
slow saddle
Games 20 years old, they scrapped loads of stuff we liked
minor gust
yeah not everything removed was removed because people didnt like it
slow saddle
Reusage of known stuff we love vs us trusting blizzard to make new stuff up
That isnt ret like
stone marsh
I specifically recall Focused Rage being hated back then
slow saddle
By?
stone marsh
But I think we can come up with something better for rage dumping at this point
slow saddle
Tbh remove mp from op
Give us focused rage
Happy
Mainly coz i dislike the amount of power op has
minor gust
but I would rather goto a no dmg buff mechanic than press slam at this point
stone marsh
How about a strike that empowers your next weapon attack and consumes rage, that way it's into something impactful that our character is doing, and can have like a heroic flair to pair it with our class fantasy.
slow saddle
Tbh i want demo stacks back on execute
slow saddle
How about a strike that empowers your next weapon attack and consumes rage, that...
Heroic strike?
stone marsh
Hmm nah. Was thinking more something like Valiant Blow
slow saddle
Well heroic strike used to do that
slow saddle
Basicly u want a spender thats based on our weapon swing?
So should we still get rage when it hits?
stone marsh
Bro, it was a joke ok 😂
stone marsh
I was clearly describing Heroic Strike, which was the original rage dump
A relic of ages past
fresh spire
Slam strike
fresh spire
Holy
minor gust
Steal Massive Attack from the ferals
rare kite
Why not replace it with something new better?
could replace it with alot of things. the point is, arms design is ass. rework it from the ground up
steep osprey
Steal Massive Attack from the ferals
lmao it's called Ravage now
minor gust
lmao it's called Ravage now
L move to change it lol I thought that shit was so funny
stone marsh
could replace it with alot of things. the point is, arms design is ass. rework i...
Half the specs of the game argue this about their spec. I think we are due for WoW 2 at this point.
steep osprey
No we are not
fuck WoW 2
Yeah everyone talks about how their specs suck
nobody is ever happy
rare kite
Half the specs of the game argue this about their spec. I think we are due for W...
half the specs hasn't been the literal same for 8 years(will be 8 when tww ends)
stone marsh
nobody is ever happy
This is correct
steep osprey
and their spec is just great
people are just dumb
but there are actual specs that do need help
like arms or fury even
minor gust
in full copium well get our turn eventually. There was specs in a way worse spot than us thats been getting a lot of love lately
stone marsh
And you will find everyone saying the same about the spec they play. "everyone complains but mine is the one that does need help".
So who even knows at this point
rare kite
people like to complain. i do think some specs are just objectively well made tho, enhance feels like it's from a different game compared to arms
steep osprey
REAL
Enhance is just exceptional
especially Totemic
I'm gonna say Survival is poggers too
MM
BM even
minor gust
remember those specs used to be abandoned for years btw
rare kite
yupp
minor gust
again they getting a ton of love now but they were in a ton worse spot than us for years
well get our time
steep osprey
I think Havoc would be so much better if it wasn't for the insane opener as Fel Scarred
stone marsh
It's not that bad next patch
steep osprey
minor gust
lmao yup
steep osprey
they can shut the fuck up
and keep playing shit tier spec
Bozos keep getting changes every patch
I don't care if it's bad
enough
quaint otter
sounds fun at least
steep osprey
stop giving them changes
rare kite
It's not that bad next patch
new tierset is pretty fun, feels good to get the haste proc. new visuals are bad and fatal mark interacting with cds is bad. plus juggernaut is still a thing...
fresh spire
steep osprey
Imagine arms gets a rework and now it's worse than before.
I don't think that's actually possible
stone marsh
It's actually not as bad as it seems, considering they only have 2 spells outside of cooldowns (Chaos Strike and Blade Dance). This is just basically their rotation
fresh spire
Arcane getting the arms treatment
steep osprey
It's actually not as bad as it seems, considering they only have 2 spells outsid...
The main issue is the amount of cds that get reset after using meta
that's just dumb imo
they need to get rid of chaotic transformation
or the one in fel scarred tree
quaint otter
vdh gonna own tho
steep osprey
I tried Aldrachi Reaver and it felt much better
But havoc's damage on PTR is trash for some reason
stone marsh
My issue with havoc is not even the sequence, but the time constrain. You do all that and your burst window is 4 seconds, so you have to fit in all damage there
steep osprey
maybe it's just me
steep osprey
Also I think they should change essence break to affect next 3 chaos strikes/blade dance or something
instead of a small 4 second window
that u wanna get 2 death sweeps in
rare kite
Imagine arms gets a rework and now it's worse than before.
we did get some changes going into the war within and they were awful. tho not anywhere near a rework
steep osprey
Even though havoc does have it's problems it's till the best iteration since bfa
Maybe even legion
it was very boring in legion
you either spammed chaos strike on st or eye beam on aoe if it reset
stone marsh
Best shit I ever played
steep osprey
80% damage on starfall
we love this
I know they made some changes to havoc on ptr, to reduce the amount of bloat or buttons
like vengeful retreat proccing Unbound
untold trench
They keep killing momentum DH? Nice
stone marsh
It's been inertia for a while now
Nobody played momentum
But now it's called some weird stuff
steep osprey
I think I maybe understand what it means but I don't lol
stone marsh
Even worse is that they have like 15 class killing bugs
That haven't been fixed the whole expansion
stone marsh
Maybe that's new, a week ago Wounded Quarry for example was still bugged
And nobody could test Aldrachi reaver
The numbers, at least
stone marsh
Because it's a core mechanic
steep osprey
immolation aura is actually fucking useless without all it's talents lmao
stone marsh
MM and outlaw were also bugged half of the expansion, I think Outlaw still is
steep osprey
do I even press it
steep osprey
MM and outlaw were also bugged half of the expansion, I think Outlaw still is
Bugged how
hallow wigeon
hows arms looking for season 2 so far?
olive nest
I think it has some abilities and they do some sort of damage
brittle fiber
I don't think that's actually possible
Arms warrior becomes a worse version of sin rogue where skull splitter becomes our main ability
quaint otter
Arms warrior becomes a worse version of sin rogue where skull splitter becomes o...
So its like acid thingy the blood gushes so hard that cleaves nearby targets for 40% of bleeds
olive nest
100% uptime passive sweep when!?!?
quaint otter
Official response: arms is fine
quasi torrent
https://tenor.com/view/scooby-doo-witch-doctor-mano-tiki-tia-gif-15319797
ok xeos
fresh spire
fringe moon
Raise the cap of juggernaut and make it so the buff doesn’t expire.
olive nest
Yeah by the end of the season we have 100k stacks of jug
One shot bosses once we proc a sd
teal fossil
Raise the cap of juggernaut and make it so the buff doesn’t expire.
sounds like a convoluted way to just buff execute baseline
fathom trail
So can I go slayer in keys as arms or is coll just a must ?
teal fossil
Yeah by the end of the season we have 100k stacks of jug
then arms is truly scaling
fresh pier
full arms warrior stack for mythic farm at the end of season
teal fossil
actually they should reset every tier
fathom trail
Or do I just don't play arms and play monster hunter wilds instead ?
fringe moon
sounds like a convoluted way to just buff execute baseline
It is
fresh pier
1:30 min boss fights
olive nest
1:30?
teal fossil
so warriors are unplayable in rwf
olive nest
It’d be like 5 seconds if you have 14 warriors
Odds are one of them procs a 100k jug stacked sudden death
In the first 5 seconds
olive nest
Chillin in a 2x4 world farm group spamming execute
icy mulch
so warriors are unplayable in rwf
Maybe if 0 warriors are used in RWF, we'll get super buffed some more?
icy mulch
<:copium:839076283467431956>
tribal kindle
dw guys by 12.3 arms warrior scaling superhard and one shot everything
fresh spire
Multi expansion scaling
We are still Ramping!
spiral locust
how does Demolish work if target moves, am I stationary? will the damage keep going? or does my character follow the target?
spiral locust
uh oh
minor gust
if your fast you can leap mid demolish while their moving to not lose the dmg
spiral locust
is it a big deal if it misses?
spiral locust
minor gust
losing it is a massive loss
spiral locust
suddenly I feel like staying in my 
lane
or go slayer full time?
seems demolish is only good in a few m+ builds
and 2 target raid but that's rare
minor gust
play whatever you find the most fun man
spiral locust
yeah demolish sounds fun, but with that interaction I'll avoid it until they fix it
otherwise arms plays fine
I usually love and prefer fury, but it honestly feels a bit overloaded atm
so I might give arms a try for a while since tier is over anyway
minor gust
if you play around the knowledge that demolish can break due to movement you can minimize it happening pretty often
its very rare my demolish breaks
spiral locust
even in m+?
minor gust
yes
spiral locust
I'd be so paranoid of tanks lol
timber lynx
It aint that bad
spiral locust
just throw storm bolt on target you're about to demolish
anyway I'll give it a try I guess
minor gust
can very much do that
spiral locust
see how often it happens
signal isle
Is slayer arms that much weaker in aoe/m+ scenarios?
olive nest
Yes
misty sandal
just throw storm bolt on target you're about to demolish <:keks:9362316108508979...
Meanwhile, a drakthyr (or anyone) with their knockback
latent hull
yeah demolish sounds fun, but with that interaction I'll avoid it until they fix...
rarely does do targets run out of urr demolish
just stun them if u want to be 100% sure u hit it full
with shockwave
abstract cairn
shouldn't take random build performance as indicative of anything
that won't stop me from crying
olive nest
Buckle up nerfs on the way surely!
dire hinge
i dont care if the devs look down upon us
as long as they look at us
tacit crystal
mossy hemlock
if your target is moving you can jump and mid-jump use demolish, half of demolish channel will be done when you land so u will need to be stationery just for 1 sec.
naive sage
Is slayer arms that much weaker in aoe/m+ scenarios?
I may be dumb but it’s the opposite for me
I perform way better with slayer even in aoe
timber lynx
i thought colosso was just burstier aoe, slayer more constant
silk spade
I perform way better with slayer even in aoe
skissue
shadow ibex
@fresh spire you forgot to mention SkS in your post
shit sucks ass to press stupid fuckin ability
olive nest
5% larger <:keks:936231610850897992>
You had me at 5% larger
fresh spire
<@140264255302664192> you forgot to mention SkS in your post
its been updated since i got home
dire hinge
when people say Arms scales, it's our model growing by 5%
fresh spire
there is like2x more text now
fresh spire
<@140264255302664192> you forgot to mention SkS in your post
though ill add a whole section for it
shadow ibex
the culprit is the faster ticking
if it just made bleeds do more dmg for X seconds great
shadow ibex
but they need to understand spending a global that does less than a slam of dmg that then causes me to spend more globals on rend
fresh spire
shadow ibex
because boring is subjective but i dont think anyone finds having to spend more meh globals because you used what should be a rotational button
there's ways to make it not feel like shit p easily just anything but current iteration
- bleed dmg is close to TR but who cares at this point. i dont want to suffer shit gameplay because these buttons are too similar. the alternative is my rend going from 16 to 6 seconds and thats a big no thank you
stone marsh
Am I weird? I don't like colossus
tacit crystal
thats fine
strange perch
this is fine
gaunt owl
minor gust
its been updated since i got home
Link post!
lean geode
How far ahead is Colossus in M+?
Right now or 11.1
Colossus is in the bin in 11.1 I fear
stone marsh
Both
minor gust
holy 1000 word essay I like it
minor gust
need everyone in here to mass upvote that shit and comment
shadow ibex
yea everything in it is dead on
i dont think people are aware how little dmg spear/roar do
MS is almost 500% AP next patch
minor gust
Roar used to do dmg until it caught like 4 or 5 nerfs at this point
shadow ibex
spear is 240+ 218
cleave is 218 as well just rounding up, but can be used every 4.5 seconds
vs 90 sec CD
obviously you take it for the stuff under it but i really would just rather avatar get more nodes
than have to press another button to set up in aoe after tclap sweeping cleave
roar is 250+250 over duration with no capstone so just a mortal strike p much. and we run warlords + all 2/2 so you only have 1 capstone next season
obviously bleed ignores armor so 1 cast of TR should do more than 1 of MS no buffs but still 90 sec cd
lean geode
Both
rn I think you're hard trolling if you play slayer arms in M+, in 11.1 I think you're kinda trolling if you play colossus in M+
I'm not armsman though so idrk
shadow ibex
if i had to bet it will probably be similar to this season unless they swing hard on colossus ST
col is gonna get a buff
shadow ibex
just in what form who knows
i think they dont mind it being aoe m+ spec to slayer's better ST so very easy to say it will get some multitarget to keep it king
just a matter of will they also compensate a lot of ST and it actually be on par
minor gust
So glad Krisp brought up bladestorm. Please give us furys version of bladestorm just an absolute superiour version in all ways
minor gust
can rally too
shadow ibex
@fresh spire idk if you really want 0 rage on reck tho
i guess slayer doesnt care with so much SD
i just miss being able to go into CS and know i can auto + wft and go from 0 to max
just roll the dice and win
carmine ginkgo
The fact you can't health pot during bladestorm is wack
everyone knows health pots need free hands and health stones dont
fresh spire
<@140264255302664192> idk if you really want 0 rage on reck tho
Tied to Avatar instead
More crit uptime from CS, then when in cds and you want to blast the rage is tied to avatar
i mostly just made some yaps for those to give them some examples that they can be more flexable with the capstones
lean geode
It was a good yap Fishy
I can't actually read but I can tell there are a lot of words there
fresh spire
as rn they both are just boring and very underutalised in making avatar feel like a cooldown
fresh spire
I can't actually read but I can tell there are a lot of words there
sorry madox i stole ur gif
lean geode
shadow ibex
i mostly just made some yaps for those to give them some examples that they can ...
the more i think about them more i hate tr and spear
im glad they do so little dmg i want our dmg to be in the spec trees but also just means i want them gone
like move spear up high do no dmg and just be an ursols vortex type shit
stone marsh
rn I think you're hard trolling if you play slayer arms in M+, in 11.1 I think y...
But how far ahead is Colossus than Slayer in M+ numbers wise?
dire hinge
https://tenor.com/view/darla-tap-aquarium-why-are-you-sleeping-finding-nemo-gif-...
tbh i thought that was you in the bag for a sec
fresh spire
😦 he was shaking me help
abstract cairn
so RIP arms in ptr rn?
shadow ibex
until ptr comes back up
fresh spire
minor gust
taking down ptr specifically to impliment all of Krispis Ideas
stone marsh
Do you press Dstance ever as arms?
fresh spire
Dstance is super good
Most times you don't have to use it but if you are ever in a tight spot where you might die sending it and staying alive>dying
stone marsh
Cool, thanks
fresh spire
good example is when moving away on ansurek and using it for the pull then switching back after the damage
stone marsh
I mostly play M+ so will have to figure out some scenarios
minor gust
on demand DR is very very good. Basically anytime you know your gonna take big damage you pop that shit
for example first boss Grim Batol everytime he does his group wide aoe you can hop into Dstance right before if you wanted to
@fresh spire I really like the blademasters torment suggestion btw.
Tho they prob still want a torment to be tied to avatar
fresh spire
i was thinking of just asing for baby bladestorm back but then i remembered unhinged and decided against it
minor gust
my high ass just thought of this but what if Prot got bladestorm but it also works like gorefiends and sigil of chains and pulls mobs into it
fresh spire
like diablo zdps spinning dh
minor gust
yee
minor gust
yeah I remember weird abillity to put a fuckin grip onto
fresh spire
leap and you grab them by the throat and jump with them
fresh spire
heroic leap and cast spear where you land
minor gust
you would leap to them grab them and leap to your target location
got it finally got what I want to comment on your post with
the one thing you forgot to bring up
fresh spire
minor gust
this exists in our tree
fresh spire
oh
i didnt mention it
as ihave nothing good or bad to say about it, and nothing of an idea to change it too
:kekw
minor gust
can change it by deleting it and replacing with one of your other talent suggestions
fresh spire
most stuff i talked about i tried to explain why i dislike it and what sorta changes could make it better in my eyes ofc
just flat out saying "its shit remove it"
isnt worth doing
ive still been adding to it when i remember things, likely plenty of stuff forgotten or could be talked about 🤷
kinda hoped ptr would come up before bedge but looks unlikely 😦
shadow ibex
copy and paste it into NA
fresh spire
or i would have posted there
shadow ibex
NA is a lot more active at least
minor gust
alright time to copy paste Kripis post so I can take all the credit
minor gust
minor gust
NA EU unite xd
tacit crystal
:3
minor gust
Does china get forums? we need to get them on it
shadow ibex
i would put something at the top saying its copy/pasted from EU for more visability
tacit crystal
china has no contact with the outside world
shadow ibex
so they dont fuck around or smth
tacit crystal
spinny
minor gust
welp were in the final days. Time to start the countdown of will they fix fatality or not before release
tacit crystal
inshallah
fresh spire
gusty nymph
dinars gone... that will go down well 🙂
shadow ibex
i would think so
a quest we get a lot sooner than what like week 17? dinar
ider what it was but it was def like 3 months in
so removal isnt surprising to me ig
rare kite
WHERE ARE MY DRAGONS
best we can do is dinar removal
gusty nymph
dinars should be reward for mythics... maybe more people will go 🙂
shadow ibex
probably just awarded in some other method
rapid bronze
This dinar iteration was dumb you got it like 3 months into the tier
brittle fiber
dinars?
Read your post, one thing id like for them to consider is putting ignore pain in the class tree instead of spec trees tbh
brittle fiber
fury doesnt need ip
Which is why you wouldnt path into it, make it the top node for the prot side or something fuck it
shadow ibex
just give arms a version of indomitable
IP is spending rage = live
just do that
but for rage spent
instead of this weak ass button
tacit crystal
Which is why you wouldnt path into it, make it the top node for the prot side or...
no you would go out of your way to path into it
yeah 50% dr shield
who wouldnt
tacit crystal
https://www.wowhead.com/news/dinars-not-gone-from-11-1-entirely-more-details-soo...
hi
gusty nymph
u get one if u dont unsub
rare kite
https://www.wowhead.com/news/dinars-not-gone-from-11-1-entirely-more-details-soo...
sweet
hopefully means we don't have to wait like 18 weeks to get them
minor gust
found where their putting the dinars
gusty nymph
found where their putting the dinars
finally a good investment... who need class balance???????
brittle fiber
Do we think Blizzard will ever return to its MoP philosophy where a dev just reaches out to notable players and gets their input?
rare kite
Do we think Blizzard will ever return to its MoP philosophy where a dev just rea...
would not surprise me if devs currently do this. i know it's not exactly the same but the rogue dev was pretty active in the rogue discord in df
silk spade
Do we think Blizzard will ever return to its MoP philosophy where a dev just rea...
pretty sure this game is AI generated these days
minor gust
Chatgpt would do a better job
brittle fiber
would not surprise me if devs currently do this. i know it's not exactly the sam...
i get why devs aren't fully invested in the class discords, but reflecting on MoP warlock where a bunch of reputable members worked with the dev to make what's known as "the best version of warlock to date", i don't see the benefit of them constantly having to adjust something every few patches instead of making a class/spec frame work that is frontloaded then adjusted as the expansion goes on
kind of like what's happening to shaman and ret now, but they could surely invest that in more classes
that's 3 specs vs at least 8 that are suffering right now
carmine ginkgo
ya with comments shitting all over them all the time, i'm super surprised they don't spend more time in the discords
brittle fiber
to clarify i'm not asking them to spend time in discords, rather message community leaders like arch, critcake etc
rare kite
also would not surprise me if the devs watch class discord on unknown accounts
carmine ginkgo
i love a good conspiracy
rare kite
not the warrior dev tho, that guy does not exist.
shadow ibex
just bump the NA krispi
minor gust
Looks like no one gives a fuck about arms on NA shame
abstract cairn
Looks like no one gives a fuck about arms on NA shame
there was another post answering (mention) some of the points in there.
hexed saddle
Looks like no one gives a fuck about arms on NA shame
i'll upvote
minor gust
go craft some rings and a neck
quaint otter
guys there is a problem
Ure 610 gear or whatever
static grove
Do we send demolish at end of cs window in opening burst even if not fully buffed by might?
thick kelp
Do we send demolish at end of cs window in opening burst even if not fully buffe...
u send at 6 stacks if dn talented or 8 stacks if soa or neither talented
if u happen to lose your stacks before nxt pull
in st u can just press it at 0 on opener
fresh spire
faint harness
I miss focused rage playstyle so much ... Give it back Blizzard. Most skilled gameplay ever. And huge MS !
naive sage
<a:warrior:761040892970139649>
I just read your feedback topic on the forum, honestly you cooked, praise the fish
rare kite
I just read your feedback topic on the forum, honestly you cooked, praise the fi...
Link?
untold pewter
pretty sure this game is AI generated these days
This makes so much sense it hurts
untold pewter
If only blizzard read EU forums 
Or any feedback for that matter
Never have I felt that class feedback has been this much ignored
steep osprey
https://eu.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/arms-warrior-feedback-general-worries-of...
OH SHIT IT'S A KRISPY POST??
ivory harbor
I’ve liked the post, hopefully more warriors will like it to capture Blizz attention
Pls save Arms spec 🙏🏻
steep osprey
EU post
it's so over
We need someone on NA to post this
Where it would get more traction or even eyes from devs
tacit crystal
already posted
minor gust
It did in fact not get any attention on NA
minor gust
Need more skyhold support bumping it up everyday.
steep osprey
It did in fact not get any attention on NA
Send the NA one
static grove
u send at 6 stacks if dn talented or 8 stacks if soa or neither talented
Can I ask why these overpower talents create this decision?
thick kelp
dn makes op have a prio over ms with sweep up whilst soa doesnt
static grove
dn makes op have a prio over ms with sweep up whilst soa doesnt
Ah so therefore less might stacks so just send it. Merci
minor gust
Send the NA one
ivory harbor
https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/arms-warrior-feedback-general-worries-of...
Thank u for sharing, liked it as well.
steep osprey
https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/arms-warrior-feedback-general-worries-of...
Ty
minor gust
Lmao yeah I saw that shit
brittle fiber
If hating 😡⚔️ paladins is a crime 🚔👮, then lock me up 🔐🥵 baby 😘✨!!
vast helm
@fresh spire GJ
steep osprey
When was ret nerfed
steep osprey
Rets losing their current tier set sounds like it could hurt
quaint otter
S2 tier looks more boom from what my ret mate saying
fresh spire
nerf ret
vast helm
@fresh spire very GJ.
quaint otter
this is where ti was all ai generated all along and even the ai knows arms down ...
tldr its fine
💨
fresh spire
dull karma
anyone got a slayer M+ build I can play with.
Please
Btw, what do you macro avatar into?
severe haven
Btw, what do you macro avatar into?
CSmash
severe haven
i just cant
Arms is supposed to be peak vanilla fighter character
Just needs overhaul
quaint otter
*mentions bladestorm*
ikr
fossil thistle
Bladestorm is peak AoE ability.
After casting it, pull an extra mob and die, then wait for a Rez (should take a minute) and you’ll have bladestorm back up
fossil thistle
Nah you do it on pull so you can kinda stay a float for a few seconds
(Don’t worry the enhance shaman will do 8m anyways)
fossil thistle
Oh ye/ sorry, I was assuming the shaman was only 577 ilvl
quaint otter
💨
fossil thistle
Sadge
devout pewter
How we looking for 11.1? Haven't followed everything so far sadly. Been rather inactive 😦 Thanks<3
sacred zodiac
warrior is dead
quaint otter
shit
devout pewter
So considering the usual, we're fine. Not great but ok
quaint otter
Tldr warrior is in good state
olive nest
When will bladestorm auto cast OF and do increased damage beyond 8 targets
untold pewter
How we looking for 11.1? Haven't followed everything so far sadly. Been rather i...
ChatGPT is our class dev
untold trench
When will bladestorm auto cast OF and do *increased* damage beyond 8 targets
Hopefully never to the first part; 2nd part tho - would be welcome
astral yarrow
can forgo it on ST at a small loss
fresh spire
.4 loss for bb
halcyon breach
warrior is dead
warrior just exploded, do you have any comments about this tragic loss?
misty sandal
warrior just exploded, do you have any comments about this tragic loss?
Probably just being dramatic.
nova marsh
ChatGPT is our class dev
ChatGPT considers bladestorm to not be a dedicated aoe button
Were cooked
quasi torrent
heroic abilities
severe haven
Tldr warrior is in good state
Not this warrior lmaoo
I think arms needs some more love
quaint otter
No blizzers know better
severe haven
I suspect buffs after the initial two weeks
quaint otter
Negative buffs
devout pewter
ChatGPT is our class dev
I think GPT would do a better job if left alone, without someone telling it to fuck up lmao
fresh spire
Get that china ai on it
Probs about to find out blizzard is paying open ai to pretend warrior is goated
devout pewter
China ai gonna tell you you're not good enough and disgrace to family
Gotta learn more or else!
fresh spire
western mmo bad
fresh spire
chad behaviour
gusty oxide
One boosted CN guy
quaint otter
I wish it was me
sacred zodiac
warrior just exploded, do you have any comments about this tragic loss?
Good
dull karma
Yall ever player slayer in high keys or its not worth it?
candid pecan
bladestorm is dog in aoe
severe haven
One boosted CN guy
3x PI
sage badge
Arms owns
thick kelp
magic canopy
vast helm
Arms owns
fresh spire
lean geode
shadow ibex
we missed u
beat malenia the first time i got to second phase but i was playing mad aggressive
nothing but charged r2s
thick kelp
st
tribal ember
coming from ret, it feels like you have to work a lot harder for less dmg
naive sage
beat malenia the first time i got to second phase but i was playing mad aggressi...
Good tactic, if you can avoid waterfowl dance and the grab, it's doable
naive sage
every waterfowl dance killed me p much
understandable
shadow ibex
and p2 when she did the big air drop that gave rot i just put big dam ignoring the rot build up
naive sage
and p2 when she did the big air drop that gave rot i just put big dam ignoring t...
ye p2 is easier
dim basalt
coming from ret, it feels like you have to work a lot harder for less dmg
Well yeah that is any other melee cuz ret is a braindead spec
That's why it is the most popular spec as well
And gets called the melee version of BM
wheat lagoon
almost every class is brain dead to be fair
dull karma
Can anyone explain real quickly why we take bladestorm in slayer but ravager in colossus?
severe haven
Can anyone explain real quickly why we take bladestorm in slayer but ravager in ...
slayer talents directly cater to a execute-bladestorm playstyle because thats what it buffs
dull karma
oh. that sucks
severe haven
colossus arms has demolish-which is also a channeled ability like bladestorm
it lets you drop ravager and do your rotation with demolish, where you just stack your CDs as arms
tribal ember
is skullsplitter mandatory?
shadow ibex
No
magic canopy
SkS can DIE
shadow ibex
sure would be nice
halcyon valve
Blizzard please 🙏 give skull splitter that does damage based on dots without consuming dots or decreasing their duration 🙏
shadow ibex
sks riding in a motorcade on nov 22 1963
shadow ibex
me when i have to reapply rend 
livid cloak
There's so many ways to make sks a better button
livid cloak
Yeah
icy mulch
<a:pogox:1326809946997919805>
Bumping your post on the forums.
brittle pelican
df sks felt good
rare kite
df sks felt good
yes, i love when pressing sks makes my next ms do 30% less
very fun 🙃
brittle pelican
ok, you literally have to press fyralath for second expac and sks is the bad button?
shadow ibex
theres not a lot you can do to change sks since its an optional button that has to be like a 1% increase at most
i rather just have hasted rage button like all before DF tho
weak dove
wat is the sks
oh its skullsplitter hm?
what if we took thunderous words from class tree and put dat into SKS instead
its another debuff that last 10 seconds and ur bleeds do 30% more after sks
what if you could have both
would that be insanity?
so thunderous words stays as is, but sks also gets the thunderous words 30% bleed amp (and fk it, 10% all dmg amp too) for 10 seconds afterwards
quaint otter
its another debuff that last 10 seconds and ur bleeds do 30% more after sks
being talking about it forever cuz dk has the same button without cd even
teal fossil
you can load as much damage into a button as you want
you are still gonna be balanced around an overall
static grove
Hey quick one: during Exe phase, with ss up do we still follow aoe prio as in cleave etc or do we focus on building precision and then ms ?
boreal quartz
Depends on the target tbh
If the mob has to die follow St exe prio, if nah just aoe
static grove
Tyty
cloud gyro
boreal quartz
slow saddle
yes, i love when pressing sks makes my next ms do 30% less
revert to DF SKS, But make MS apply debuff before calculating dmg, and problem is solved
and we get a better sks for M+, and other burst situations where reapplying rend wont be an issue coz mob is facking dead
rare kite
revert to DF SKS, But make MS apply debuff before calculating dmg, and problem i...
trutru
slow saddle
but spagetti code. and blizard memes ofc makes the only viable solution to change sks into a button that just feels sad
idc how much dmg it actually does, when its just faster bleeds u dont rly notice
before u saw
Qol deffo, but somehow feels worse 😄
rare kite
idc how much dmg it actually does, when its just faster bleeds u dont rly notice
idk, prob a decent amount tbh
slow saddle
it is actually not bad at all from an overall dmg perspective ( if it was we wouldnt talent it )
but it feels meh
its prob kindda like playing with Test of might
in df
actually strong, feels off
where as iftk makes u go faster so cs feels better to press now ( at least to me )
rare kite
where as iftk makes u go faster so cs feels better to press now ( at least to me...
feels way better. die Tom die
slow saddle
exactly
so if sks either had 1 interaction or a snappier burst?
we would feel better?
i pressed Sks in DF and totems were gone
that way it was fucking amazing in sev M+ dungeons
and shit in raid
i dont mind that
steep osprey
I'm surprised no one's talking about MM's damage on PTR, BM taking the spot
rare kite
I'm surprised no one's talking about MM's damage on PTR, BM taking the spot
same reason why no one talked about unholy when fdk was meta
slow saddle
imagine if hunter could actually play. and didnt unintentionally sandbag emselfs
steep osprey
I'm playing hunter next patch
slow saddle
Hunting the Box
quaint otter
rare kite
I'm playing hunter next patch
smart choice. i am making the dumb choice of staying warrior
steep osprey
I'm not staying warrior regardless, I rerolled to enha this season and I'm most likely still staying shaman
Warrior is 2nd char
quaint otter
steep osprey
smart choice. i am making the dumb choice of staying warrior
yo Ret kinda mid on PTR
tacit crystal
https://tenor.com/view/stormtrooper-traitor-star-wars-finn-tr8r-gif-26603279
nerf of
steep osprey
it's divine storm all the way with this new tier set
steep osprey
i like fury, fury fun. just a bit stale
true
rare kite
im already moving from war
disgusting
untold trench
Good
boreal quartz
im already moving from war
can you name your mage philwar
or something stupid like that
tacit crystal
there is already a philwar on na
!
and on my server
have this guy on my friends list
what about
mutou war
?
steep osprey
make boxwar
