arms

[smoky kayak]

for one, CT is a 2 point node (and that's extremely unlikely to change unless the entire lower 3rd of the tree changes, since it's a points-gate for a reason)
second, Frothing is a class tree talent, so that rearranges the power differential
third, that would kinda shoehorn the mechanic into Juggernaut builds

[minor gust]

I don't disagree pvp is an after thought. But pvp does come into discussion when they design specs/classes

[severe haven]

It does but I think a lot of the time it also doesn't

[minor gust]

Well never know the truth but I still believe pvp needs to be treated as the ultimate mini game.

Have 0 design around it

Just let it be an unbalanced mess

[smoky kayak]

also even if Frothing affected Execute, it would be a lot worse than CT is right now

[fresh spire]

the issue I think mainly is its location on tree in where SD actually is, you are forced to path it for impale/slayer in general, Maybe they could move fob to where SOS is

and replace fob

but then rend is on other side

🤷

[smoky kayak]

I think moving FoB to where SoS is would be the smarter choice

and then just completely redesigning/removing SoS

then you can put in something that more reasonably competes against SD

[fresh spire]

Shoot colat at the same time

[smoky kayak]

But also, just because you talent the right side of the tree for SD doesn't mean that every execute related talent needs to be on the right side of the tree, since you're effectively required to talent through that part anyway, it's kind of arbitrary

[severe haven]

Some would argue it's even below bareminimum atm considering some balance and mmr aspects but that's a whole different discussion

[severe haven]

What do you think about the talent that reduces bunch of utility cooldowns by %5? It feels so bad when the cooldowns are so short as is

[fresh spire]

looking at it more of if its on that side under it not takeable unless you have pathed it makes it less fucked for picking a talent that doesn't work

[smoky kayak]

it's very minor, but still a lot better than the old version

[smoky kayak]

yeah but you effectively have to talent through that area anyway, so it's a moot point

there's no feasible build that doesn't talent through Impale

[fresh spire]

impale too good :o7

[smoky kayak]

it's not even that impale is too good

it's that you need to spend 8 points in the first tier

[shadow ibex]

Valor in victory needs to go

And we get 1 point

We have that problem in the middle of the tree

We take SkS cuz what else can you take

Sos? No. Imp ss no

[smoky kayak]

Valor in Victory should move up to where Ignore Pain is, remove the +Versatility and just make it a defensive node
then move Bladestorm up one level

[fresh spire]

i do miss the bleed explodes of SKS vs the sped up version

[shadow ibex]

It's SkS or blood borne and that just got gutted

[fresh spire]

annoying you had the mastery issue, but the explode felt satisfying

[shadow ibex]

Id rather rework SkS or just make it increase DMG of bleeds

[smoky kayak]

SkS is fine when bleed talents aren't so oppressive that you feel the need to take every single one of them

[shadow ibex]

Increase tick speed is just not fun

Reapplying stuff stinks in a world where we just wanna ms and OP

[smoky kayak]

like 11.1 SkS looks completely fine

it's a very minor increase that you can easily skip if you don't like it

that's objectively good balancing

[shadow ibex]

I think it can be a super minor optional that doesn't feel bad when you do take it

[smoky kayak]

that's what it is

[shadow ibex]

I don't mind pressing a button I want it to not feel bad

[smoky kayak]

But I don't really agree with this new "SkS feels bad" narrative

It's a hell of a lot better than the earlier version that made you reapply dots

[shadow ibex]

I think both iterations are flawed

[smoky kayak]

it gives you rage, it gives you damage

feels more like "general unhappiness with Arms, need to find something to blame" - pick SkS as the target

[shadow ibex]

Spending more globals on rend don't feel great

[severe haven]

You make 1 change and 1 change only to Arms wyd?

[smoky kayak]

plus the combination value of SkS + Roar + CS is not insignificant; it's a good setup

[smoky kayak]

make Battlelord great again (would require more than 1 change though)

[severe haven]

On a modernized spec MS would reapply it

[steep osprey]

What's the point of Rend, I feel like they should remove it and double DW damage

[shadow ibex]

Tr and SkS is cool idea

[smoky kayak]

MS does reapply it!

[steep osprey]

Modernized? it did that in 2011

[severe haven]

Out of execute phase!

[shadow ibex]

Not cool enough to make how bad pressing it feel good tho

[severe haven]

Maybe like..Colossus smash then

Like shamans wave

Save a gcd here and there

[smoky kayak]

Seriously though, I think yall are underestimating how fucking boring Arms rotation would be if you removed SkS and removed Rend (or made it apply passively)

like wtf are you doing? just pressing MS and Overpower the whole time?

[steep osprey]

Slam

[fresh spire]

i could be using slam over clap 😠

[silk spade]

kind of what they did for rogue with Cut to the chase (your spender gives you slice and dice)

[fresh spire]

[smoky kayak]

it's weird when some of the same people who say Fury is brain dead 3 button spec argue for removing every other ability from Arms

[minor gust]

Tbf current Slayer arms rotation is massively boring with sks

[fresh spire]

fury pressing slam feels wrong

(even though tis like 2 times a pull max)

[shadow ibex]

People want SkS to feel good to press

[fresh spire]

im pressing ww fuck slam

[severe haven]

Honestly it's minor but I would really make SS out of GCD

[shadow ibex]

Like chances are it's the button actually feels bad not people inventing something to complain about

[minor gust]

Same slam ain't in my bars for fury fuck that I'll just ww

[smoky kayak]

Do yall not remember how boring Arms was in pre-patch, just pressing MS on cooldown, Overpower on proc, and spamming Slam in between?

[steep osprey]

I dislike pressing SKS perfectly and seeing that my bleeds are barely doing 5% of my damage

[shadow ibex]

That's just nonsense lol

[smoky kayak]

that would be fine (though it is minor)

[smoky kayak]

bleeds do a lot more than 5% of your damage

[steep osprey]

I meant Rend and DW specifically

[minor gust]

We all would love either a passive SS or off gcd SS

[steep osprey]

They probably do, I was exaggerating a bit lol

[smoky kayak]

like that's just hyperbole

[steep osprey]

Someone had an idea to make SS proc when you use WB

[smoky kayak]

Rend + DW alone are ~5% each
TR is another ~3.5%

[steep osprey]

Maybe I'm alone with this but I wish they did a lot more damage than that

[smoky kayak]

ok but the last time bleeds were a significant amount of Arms' damage, people bitched to high heaven that it was a "passive spec"

[steep osprey]

Tbh, that was egregious, I don't mean that high lol

[smoky kayak]

well it's ~14% right now

so where do you want it?

[steep osprey]

25% perhaps

[smoky kayak]

you just said 20% was too high lol

this is so nitpicky lol

[severe haven]

It was kinda prevalent in pvp colossus this season

[fresh spire]

i want slam to do all my damage

[steep osprey]

All of them together being 25% is different than one bleed being that much

[severe haven]

Death penalty

[smoky kayak]

nobody ever said anything about one bleed being that much

[fresh spire]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/148898720803586048/1042139795595468810/20221115_135144.gif

[olive nest]

Colossus smash should increase damage taken by 400%

[fresh spire]

me trying to get my op back

[steep osprey]

was DW doing 25% of your damage? I remember it being higher than that

[fresh spire]

BFA it did so much damage at the end

in keys it was monsterous

[silk spade]

is current fury the most complex it's ever been? genuine question

[steep osprey]

ever?

[silk spade]

yes, ever

[minor gust]

Feels like it

[steep osprey]

I don't know but probably not

[smoky kayak]

the end of BfA was completely skewed by Corruptions though

[fresh spire]

feel like it was more complex back when seige breaker existed

[smoky kayak]

So I tend to disregard it out of hand

[minor gust]

I get fury could be stale but the base gameplay is just also very satisfying.

[smoky kayak]

it was ~20-25% in ST
depending on how many sources of damage you had ofc

[steep osprey]

I am thinking of corruptions DW because that's the only thing I remember at this point so the damage of DW is completely skewed in my brain, my bad

[fresh spire]

the day when you realise seige breaker was just fury cs

[steep osprey]

25% is definitely too much

[smoky kayak]

but that was also their only bleed

[steep osprey]

Wasn't Rend a bleed that increased your critical damage taken on target or something

SL?

[smoky kayak]

Rend didn't exist in BfA

[silk spade]

i was a complete noob when siegebreaker existed but i remember hating it

[steep osprey]

I remember SIegebreaker was only being used in BFA

[smoky kayak]

Siegebreaker was in SL

it was in early DF development too, but there was too much overlap between it and Onslaught

[steep osprey]

It was used in SL? Wasn't it only the legendary

[smoky kayak]

it was used at times

[steep osprey]

oh okay

I don't remember lol

[fresh spire]

SL might have gone down as a bad expansion overall

[smoky kayak]

most of the worst expansions had the best raids

[fresh spire]

But arms overall from SOD onwards felt good

[steep osprey]

I don't really think it was a bad expansion

[smoky kayak]

except WoD, that shit sucked every which way

[silk spade]

say sike right now

[smoky kayak]

best part of WoD was playing pokemon with your garrison followers

and then logging off for the week

[steep osprey]

I think SL was below average overall

I liked BfA though

even tho it does have it's problems

I just loved the zones and the aesthetic of raids and everything in it

[severe haven]

So many questionable takes today haha

[smoky kayak]

but yeah, this whole conversation really just gets the point across that people don't really know what they want, they're just generally unhappy with Arms

which is fine tbh, it does need some work, but it'll need to be more comprehensive than "just one change"

[silk spade]

SL has to be the worst expansion of all time

[smoky kayak]

that said, the state of Colossus tuning aside, I think 11.1 is looking pretty fine overall

[steep osprey]

It was the first expansion I got CE so I think differently of it

[severe haven]

Tbh ANY direction is fine than no direction

[teal fossil]

Also didn’t wod/legion mission tanles made enough gold to get couple burritos a week

[steep osprey]

That was WoD

[fresh spire]

mission boards was pretty good for gold

people who leveled tons of characters made bank

[steep osprey]

What are your thoughts on BfA?

[smoky kayak]

Legion was goated, cause it was the golden age of Patreon

[severe haven]

Very typical, uncharacteristic question from me is colossus or slayer more favored next season

[smoky kayak]

Slayer atm

Colossus downbad

[steep osprey]

[lean geode]

Col much better for M+ no?

[steep osprey]

he doesn't know

[lean geode]

Slarms in M+ is omega beans innit

[steep osprey]

nah it's actually really close

[fresh spire]

personal feeling is colossus is dead for everything unless they save it from the nerf they did

[dire hinge]

Slayer? I barely knower
(i love you colossus come back, plz)

[lean geode]

I will be playing AM Thane in keys anyways so shruge

[steep osprey]

Blizzard when they just change a fundamental passive for Colossus and not give any compensation for it

https://tenor.com/view/peace-out-gif-22295199

[fresh spire]

hahaha

"we hate this, we are going to fix it"

https://tenor.com/view/movie-one-eternity-later-gif-7900643

[dire hinge]

i'll take the nerf for 100 trading post tender

[fresh spire]

Hrothmar min maxing pets from tenders

[dire hinge]

i'm playing the long con (barbie dress up)

[smoky kayak]

I think they intended the MS buffs to be bigger for Colossus than Slayer, but the Execute buffs kinda outweighed it

Battlelord just isn't quite there yet

[fresh spire]

the ultimate set is there rn,. very flashy

pink

[shadow ibex]

How much st inc is artery cut for col

Vs nothing there

St

[fresh spire]

gimme a sec to find my colossus template and ill check

[severe haven]

I hated the execute change for col

[steep osprey]

Battlelord should buff the resetted MS or something

[severe haven]

They take away so much give back so little

[steep osprey]

I know guys

more MS buffs

yawn

What else can u do to make BL better though

It needs some damage component

[fresh spire]

more value to press mortal strike >other stuff

[steep osprey]

My idea was that resetting MS with BL would make your next MS shockwave like arms s2 set in DF

[fresh spire]

Damage doesn't make it, its interactions that matter

[steep osprey]

thoughts

[fresh spire]

as EP only scales with damage

[dire hinge]

we're just 2-3 more stacking modifiers away from being a real spec, i promise

[fresh spire]

we need ms to interact with ms, and thunderclap to interact with sks

[lean geode]

That uwu MS weakaura about to get real crazy

[fresh spire]

you are onto something here

[dire hinge]

hahahaha

[dire hinge]

we can add hand animations to both sides soon

[smoky kayak]

everything else aside, I think if there were one mechanic I could reuse from the past, I would find some way of working Cata-era Taste for Blood back in

[quasi torrent]

ill have to think about this one

[smoky kayak]

which would require pulling back on Overpower resets in general, but I just like that it had a very reactive feel

[thick kelp]

something something delete AM, move CS to SD

[shadow ibex]

Ty

[smoky kayak]

I mean you can go back to CS resets, as long as you're fine with never doing any damage outside of CS and dealing with uptime RNG

[thick kelp]

Sounds good

[smoky kayak]

but as much as people complain about RNG dictating their damage, that would be a really hard sell

[minor gust]

wouldnt bringing taste for blood back with OP require an overhaul to how arms currently works. I wouldnt mind that direction because OP lost all cool or flavor with the loss of taste for blood and how OP used to work

[olive nest]

Ehhhh I like cs being more controlled honestly

It’s a feels good to press button

[thick kelp]

Could add crushing force kinda slam talent

[smoky kayak]

yes it would require a lot of changes

[minor gust]

so even Archi dreams

❤️

[smoky kayak]

I just think it's a fun mechanic; really don't mind what we have right now though

[minor gust]

theres something about a mechanic that makes a button thats only useable in certain conditions useable is very enjoyable for proc gameplay. Both taste for blood and SD were great for this.

Which is why its sad to see SD in the state that it is :/

I love procs that you dont actually press

[random ibex]

Kinda weird but I liked MOP arms mastery

[dire hinge]

yeaaah, i changed my WA to basically just mimick old SD interactions (ie: just pretend you dont have a proc if you aren't gonna press it)

feels real jank

[minor gust]

yeah a proc is something you should want to consume the moment you get it

[untold trench]

What if SD proc, always activated reap for slayer?

[minor gust]

if it doesnt accomplish that something is massively wrong

[thick kelp]

what if SD always thunderclapped for slayer

[minor gust]

[untold trench]

SD procs TC, would be neato for Thane

Anything to make the button good value

[fresh spire]

how about thunder blast 😉

[minor gust]

and made TC actually do dmg but oh wait we cant have this now because Blizz loves there themes so much and mtn thane is a fury thing

[fresh spire]

think its fair if thanes blasts if we get rend

[untold trench]

Always blasting :v
Tho the more reap comparable would be lightning. Question is if people would want such an extra effect to "solve the issue".

[fresh spire]

Reap goes harder from cleave+ms imo if they wanted SD to always proc it they would end up getting it gut elsewhere

reap just isn't too strong on st but its good on aoe

[smoky kayak]

TC does great damage lol what

it's like 4x what WW does

and you already have a big proc in TBlast, why does SD need to do the same thing (or more likely, replace it with the same thing)?

[minor gust]

oh I was talking about arms TC with season 3 df tier

not thane in TC does good dmg with thane

[smoky kayak]

I don't think there's anything wrong with TC as it is now for Arms as a Rend enabler

you could make it stronger, but replacing SD isn't the move

[minor gust]

yeah SD is just being held back by jugg rn. Just would love season 3 df tier added to SD mostly so SD has some reason to press it in aoe besides consuming marks for slayer

[silk spade]

delete jugg from the game

[minor gust]

true and real

Slayer makes jugg incredibly toxic

[smoky kayak]

idk, Slayer and Jugg are both fine, the issue is mostly with Battlelord (by way of Colossus)

[olive nest]

Only casting SD with 3x mark feels bad I agree

[magic canopy]

i like casting at 2

[dire hinge]

or with 2x SD stacks*

[minor gust]

dont you think its wrong tho how we use SD outside of execute as slayer?

[magic canopy]

since mid flight you can get a third stack

[olive nest]

I wish they would tune sd so you always want to hit it no matter what

[magic canopy]

execute delay xd

[smoky kayak]

what do you think would be "more right?"

[minor gust]

you get SD proc you press execute thats how procs should be

instead of this hold and wait for the right condition to press it

[smoky kayak]

so retune it

but if that's the case, you're just going to the opposite situation of "hold and wait for the right condition to press MS" instead

[dire hinge]

excess SD stacks should auto-fire off the gcd (this is a bad take and doesn't solve anything)

[steep osprey]

I want sd proc to make me drop anything I’m doing and press execute

Sue me

[minor gust]

I assume this is in reference to BL and how it works in exe?

[steep osprey]

(For fury especially)

[smoky kayak]

most of this is just tuning nuances

[olive nest]

As awesome as that would be itd basically make sudden death procs passive because you’d never need to cast it haha

[steep osprey]

Lmfao

[dire hinge]

exactly, doesn't solve anything

[steep osprey]

I think SD should get more power

Like the execute from sd deals more damage

Or maybe it buffs something else

A SD execute cast buffs rampage

Etc

[minor gust]

sorry im just a lil confused. What tuning would need to be done to make you want to consume SD right away instead of min maxing jugg? would it just be a jugg nerf?

[silk spade]

highroll jugg -> feel nothing
lowroll jugg and drop it -> the voices are back

[smoky kayak]

I mean that's one potential solution

buff Exe, nerf Jugg

[steep osprey]

Removing RB passives and buffs it does for other spells and buff execute

Execute should be a higher prio raging blow

[olive nest]

“Sudden death executes apply a stacking debuff to the target that makes your first execute below 35% hp deal increased damage per stack”
They could name it fatality or something

[smoky kayak]

but there are just as many complaints that jugg should have a longer timer to make it easier to stack and manage, and doing that naturally inclines you to manipulate SD to extend that timer, so it's kind of an unavoidable problem

[olive nest]

[steep osprey]

I have an idea that could fix that, what if stacking up doesn’t change the duration

[smoky kayak]

like stacking value no refresh?

[steep osprey]

It would have to be a lot stronger

[minor gust]

Im probably wrong but that doesnt solve it tho right? you would still min max jugg even if it was weaker. Because at the end of the day your not wasting SD procs even if exe was gigga and jugg sucked it still wouldnt hurt to wait/hold it

[steep osprey]

Juggernaut that is

[steep osprey]

Yes

I think a couple of specs have that

Like starlord from Druids

[minor gust]

unless they reverted back to only 1 SD at a time no 2 stacks

[smoky kayak]

the gain from min/maxing it would be a lot smaller, vs the potential loss of missing direct ability damage from delaying parts of your rotation to do it

[smoky kayak]

you'd introduce other gameplay issues, like trying to manipulate stacks in concert with CS/Ava/etc

which may be better or worse, depending on who you ask

[steep osprey]

That sounds cool to me but maybe not to everyone lol

[dire hinge]

"sudden" death (delays it for 8 gcds)

[smoky kayak]

lmao

[dire hinge]

is the sudden in the room with us rn

[untold trench]

If you want "sudden", make it just auto send a free execute

[minor gust]

seems like an option then w/e route they need to take to stop this cringe SD conditional shit

[smoky kayak]

I mean the real solution though is to just give players a viable spec which doesn't revolve around Juggernaut, e.g. by making Battlelord a more competitive option

[steep osprey]

Also, I think SD should do something more for fury than just a free execute. What if SD for Fury makes you cast your execute twice ?

[smoky kayak]

it is more, it's rage generation

Fury's issue comes solely down to the value of RB vs Execute

[lean geode]

battlelord feels v good, jugg feels v bad YEP

[smoky kayak]

and RB has a ton more stuff wrapped up into it

[steep osprey]

I guess I’m just saying that because rage generation isn’t that important anymore really

[untold trench]

Then you create the scenario where you cant buff baseline execute, cause of that doubleup could be troublesome TT all over again

[lean geode]

I'd contend it's also partially the frequency of being able to Execute, like even if exe did 5x its current damage, you'd still delay using it to maintain AJ better (above 35/20% ofc)

[smoky kayak]

I also don't think every solution is "make it easy/no brain/automatic"

[steep osprey]

If rage generation was important, you’d definitely press a button that generates 20 rage over one that generates 8

Or whatever RB generates

[worthy sonnet]

What if you only got juggernaut if you executed a target below 35 or 20% depending on massacre

[steep osprey]

This whole issue was also caused with higher rage generation for fury

It wasn’t even close to this in bfa

And the rotation was fine in bfa

[olive nest]

Jug stacks should just persist while in combat, and last 15 seconds after combat ends for M+*

[smoky kayak]

there is something to be said for rewarding smart gameplay, whether that's delaying SD to maximize Juggernaut or otherwise

certainly, that's gameplay not everyone will necessarily enjoy, but that's fine as long as there are other competitive options - the much more important core problem right now is that there just aren't really

[astral talon]

i'm still praying for combo system for demolish 🙏

new demolish, half demolish, full demolish

[steep osprey]

Delete

This is probably cursed but I had an idea for fury

[smoky kayak]

most of your ideas are cursed

one way or another

[steep osprey]

To make rage something like combo points called slaughtering strikes

[thick kelp]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1282957690024362035/1300776023792549978/box.png?ex=67a34493&is=67a1f313&hm=644d2018d1885a22d524fc96f4ea61b26eed8be22995ad5973f383d252fcd758&

[steep osprey]

Every few you can rampage

[dire hinge]

this is all i strive for

[olive nest]

[steep osprey]

[untold trench]

So you want fullmoon?

[astral talon]

basically, 10 stacks for each ability

neverending circle of slamming demolishes every x globals

[dire hinge]

unironically i do think that would be neat to see for MS variance, personally

implementation of it? No idea, not my forte

[smoky kayak]

way back during WoD I suggested removing Execute from Fury altogether

might not be a bad time to revisit that

[olive nest]

[astral talon]

remove both specs, make sth new

EZ

[smoky kayak]

but honestly the real fix would just be reducing some of the power from RB's talents

RB as a whole could probably use an overhaul, like idk why Improved RB and Wrath & Fury do basically the same thing

and then Wrath & Fury and Hack & Slash also do basically the same thing

the RB talents are just so uninspired

[thick kelp]

RB being powerkrept by the 1000 interactions it has

[olive nest]

Consistent

[smoky kayak]

that and then stuff like slayer adding another direct power boost on top

[thick kelp]

Never ending cycle

[smoky kayak]

and Slaughtering Strikes is just passive bloat, it could easily be reduced or even removed outright and you'd never tell the difference

[quasi torrent]

ramp needs to be good

[thick kelp]

especially with new talent trees

[quasi torrent]

bonk rage intake
make ramp fuck good

[smoky kayak]

Ramp is pretty good now, but why cast Ramp more when you can cast RB and make your next Ramp stronger instead?

[thick kelp]

one% there and anorher 3% from that node

[olive nest]

Damn patch notes today and not a thing for dps warrior

[dire hinge]

what if we gave ramp 5-7 stacking modifiers in a trenchcoat

[steep osprey]

Was it similar to now? I remember you did not want to use execute in mop

and you even skipped the 4 set in siege that gave you sudden death iirc

[thick kelp]

TLDR OF TODAYS PTR NOTES

https://starwarsintrogenerator.com/scroller?u=2xtvg7mj

[steep osprey]

The fact that that passive isn’t execute damage is baffling

[quasi torrent]

fax

[olive nest]

[dire hinge]

[sharp wyvern]

this better isnt only for prot

also they are baking in WAs to default UI

[untold trench]

Prot only

[sharp wyvern]

[untold trench]

[sharp wyvern]

but why

[rare kite]

it's so joever...

[dire hinge]

Well that was fun (discord outage)

[rare kite]

keeping the stupid new visuals

[woven wasp]

visuals removed from CS, you spawn one from WB

[magic canopy]

no class chanegs

kind of doom

[steep osprey]

Ngl I do like that wb

[sharp wyvern]

we got nerfed in the worst possible way

[untold trench]

I kinda like it, but something just is off - the ground hit kinda looks like a magic missle splash attack from a moba, if that makes sense? The trio impact seems very deliberate, as if it should hit things under it

[sharp wyvern]

its over

[shadow ibex]

the whirlwind looks so dumb lol

[sharp wyvern]

CS is back to looking lame as fuck

[shadow ibex]

idk why its the most unimpactful animation ever

[rare kite]

cs is fine. wb has that dumbas whirlwind

[shadow ibex]

my weapon should be too big to swing around like a ballerina with 1 hand

[sharp wyvern]

do you also dislike Odyns fury for having whirlwind animation ?

[shadow ibex]

i dont play fury and when i do im in an aoe blob and cant see animations

[rare kite]

no, but odyns has always had ww animation

[untold trench]

I dont mind the downward swing of it - I do miss the little jump tho, to give more movement. And the miniaxes spawned isnt my yam

[sharp wyvern]

question is did they leave the hitbox infront of you since the animation is around us now

[silk spade]

the ghost weapons are so dumb

it should be some kind of ground effect instead

[olive nest]

Completely agree

[untold trench]

Ye, the trio of weapons just doesn't work, it looks too magical, at least for my tastes

[dire hinge]

agreed, personally

[olive nest]

The imaginary weapons shooting out are just an eye sore that do not fit the theme of the ability at all

[runic tartan]

why was the stomping of the ground so bad??=?

I would love to ask whoever designed this horsecrap that 1 question

[spark obsidian]

They still gonna change the warbreaker animation? 😦

[minor gust]

your not getting back the older WB animtion accept it

[ebon zephyr]

Hasn't even released and needs a glyph ASAP

[grand idol]

Imagine having a glyph system that can alter what spells look like then just not using it. Cmon Blizz

lol jinx

[dim basalt]

warbreaker anim still bad

gg

[minor gust]

Warbringer*

[untold trench]

Choice is bad, you will not customise your animations! Think of the PvP implications!

[misty sandal]

[minor gust]

[noble pivot]

[fresh spire]

Choice is bad, you will not customise your Hero Tree! Think of the Balancing Implications!

[tacit crystal]

https://tenor.com/view/derp-derpfish-derp-fish-fish-funny-fish-gif-3995205937939854061

[fresh spire]

Killed him off a second time :holy

[minor gust]

Lets see if we can get a third time in 11.2

[fresh spire]

frfr

Shot it in beta

Shot it in .1

We know the new target guys

at least they nerfed aug/ele/enhance this week

[minor gust]

ima be honest poor rogues

another week of nothing

[fresh spire]

rogue has had tons of love already

:C

(like over the last few years)

compared to us

[minor gust]

Sub has some pretty game breaking bugs rn

that have yet to be fixed

[fresh spire]

Tbf, i swear to god Sub/Windwalker always does

[minor gust]

Im still praying they never fix the parry bug

that shit is so good

[fresh spire]

best bug

-feature-

[minor gust]

dont worry guys their totally still cookin that compensation buff. They clearly arent just gonna call it a day for dps warrior for the rest of ptr with those tuning notes last week.

[fresh spire]

tbf i should have just posted sim numbers between specs on last picture

would have been better

[coral crescent]

Sub got replicating shadows bug fixed

It wasnt mentioned in notes but reports said it was fixed i thought

[fresh spire]

better

[minor gust]

no clue ill figure out once our sub rogues bitches to me about it in raid tonight

[fresh spire]

now you have sim numbers :o7

[minor gust]

hes my trauma buddy since both our specs have gotten worse

[coral crescent]

HOLY

Colo is down bad

[fresh spire]

its kinda bruh at this point

[coral crescent]

Uninvest uninvest uninvest

blizz keepin colo sus

[fresh spire]

this is exactly what happened in beta

colossus was miles ahead, prepatch launched, blizzard nuked MS with orbital strike while also nerfing the colossus MS Talent, was 160k dps behind slayer on launch of .0

[minor gust]

then got some minor buffs throught the patch to be closer

just to be shot in the other knee

[fresh spire]

was still like 60/70k behind slayer entire of last patch

But thats more reasonable than 2x the amount, it was close enough the playstyle of it made it successful in keys

[minor gust]

yee

which is again if there ends up being no compensation by the time of release, its another point of Blizz making changes with 0 thought

[coral crescent]

What was their half-assed reasoning again for removing CM from execute? Something like it "discouraged pressing your hard hitting ability"

[fresh spire]

i dont see it getting fixed before patch launch at this point, honestly expecting release candidate next week

[magic canopy]

is it too compium fishy

to think they didnt actually add the changes last week

[tacit crystal]

is this left or right pants

i know damn well it isnt full pants

[fresh spire]

if they was going to fix it imo it would have come last week is my guess

was secretly hoping today would be the last try for it but expecting nothing now.

[minor gust]

I dont remember if they gave a reason for it. We just all assumed it was to stop execute spam but that problem doesnt exist in 11.1

[fresh spire]

They was working to try give MS as much value as it can hoping to make it focus around Battlelord playstyle

[minor gust]

I see

[fresh spire]

every time MS lights up from EB/BL they wanted it pressed, just the interactions around it didn't beat the value of executes damage + EP% gain, every ms buff only added to executes value

Colossus lacks interactions to make it fully push

its not far off, just needs more

bl was like 1.2% behind or something

[tacit crystal]

hi fishy

[fresh spire]

hi

[minor gust]

thats really hard to do with execute phase

[tacit crystal]

was the sim you posted left or right pants

[fresh spire]

adding MS giving extra stacks of CM in execute range works, buffing the CDR value from each stack over 10 works

Little things that add up that could have pushed it closer

[minor gust]

how would that gameplay look just ingoring execute in exe phase

basically just treating it as slam

[fresh spire]

well, i found a build for keys that didnt run SD

EP was worse value than other talent choices even on st (using a dungeon talent setup)

[coral crescent]

yeah even just MS gives +1 CM during execute

[fresh spire]

But it just seems wrong

[smoky kayak]

I see the sandbag Colossus plan is proceeding apace

[fresh spire]

(rile the troops, flood the forums)

[minor gust]

mindless drone reporting for duty

[fresh spire]

Nah just explaining why and how its just weak

yapping as bored

[smoky kayak]

yep, colossus weak more buffs

[fresh spire]

it need jesus at this point

[tacit crystal]

arms needs to be shot

[minor gust]

Arms needs Jesus to shoot it in the head

[fresh spire]

No amount of buffs to abilities will save it, no amount of buffs to MS/OP on hero tree will save it, needs more involvement with CM/CDR/demolish realistically, just watch them buff Precision strikes on week 2 mythic and cleave along side it

[tacit crystal]

amen

[fresh spire]

maybe this is how i should show bad stuff by making memes with results

[minor gust]

memes is indeed how you control the populace

[fresh spire]

post a cat meme with just it captioned "colossus is 7% behind" or something

[minor gust]

[fresh spire]

holy you can AI generate images on meme generator now

[minor gust]

The future is now

[fresh spire]

typed in

A warrior sat on a chair on fire waiting to be good again

its kinda not what i wanted but its amusing

hes not sad enough

[severe haven]

This isn't sad this is badass

Fuck AI tho

[minor gust]

AI boogeyman ooOOOOoooo

[magic canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-the-misery-eggcat-gif-25127046

https://tenor.com/view/oh-the-misery-every-single-person-is-my-enemy-enemy-cat-jerma-gif-25641674

[quaint otter]

https://tenor.com/view/uni-cat-gif-16508948274886257497

[vestal isle]

Chat wtf is this

[olive nest]

On live it’s 30% so they gave a little back basically

[vestal isle]

Okok makes sense math wasnt mathing

[halcyon valve]

Yup

[halcyon valve]

Oooh the misery

[fresh spire]

hahaha i wanted it sad tho

[brittle fiber]

How every man wants their linkedin profile picture to be like

[severe haven]

Yeah haha

Hey uh anyways HR called they're laying the whole department off

[minor gust]

https://tenor.com/view/elmo-so-what-whatever-who-cares-shrug-gif-17163076

technology is gonna advance wether you like it or not idk what to tell you

[severe haven]

https://tenor.com/view/jerseyshore-gif-7694849

[brittle fiber]

cant wait for AI to replcae HR

[untold trench]

Oh no, not HR...
Well anyway

[sullen plover]

AI has already started to replace jobs for AI

[red cove]

So, how is arms looking for next patch? I've been thinking about playing it. Is the new tier set any good?

[minor gust]

Tier set is decent

[red cove]

Does it change up the gameplay any?

[lean geode]

A lil bit

[minor gust]

not really

exe goes back 2 how it should always be

so yeah I guess it a decent gameplay change

[red cove]

But nothing that effects OP right? I thought I heard people were holding it to get the bonus damage from it.

[minor gust]

OP is still apart of it but its no longer cursed like that

[crystal nexus]

is raidbots correct when it says i'd be losing ~13k dps from taking a heroic sureki zealot's insignia? currently using a 636 amulet of earthen craftsmanship

[nova marsh]

The extra vers is not worth like 10 ills worth of stats

[crystal nexus]

ah alright

[weak dove]

guys i have too much rage and not enough haste

[dire hinge]

pre-execute phase it's common to have too much rage, don't worry about capping and focus on the rotation

[astral yarrow]

you basically just forgo deft point so you naturally press less OP

its giga cringe

[naive sage]

Can’t wait to spam slam even more

[real birch]

Can anyone tell me. Why my log is that bad?
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/dpt2CKanZR3jv674?fight=23&type=damage-done&source=64&translate=true
I wanna gid gud ._.

[rare kite]

my guy you are spamming tc and pressing whirlwind in st

[real birch]

So ww only at 3+ and slam ST?
And rend over tc or because im pressing so much?

[dim basalt]

tc is fine but ww is

[real birch]

Usually tank main x:

[dim basalt]

ww is so useless that you never press it honestly

If you need aoe you take cleave, as simple as that

[real birch]

Just pressing as filler x:

[dim basalt]

Slam is your filler

[real birch]

yeah dont have it in my bar x:

Ty ^^

[dim basalt]

Time to change that

[real birch]

In M+ we use WW or still useless?

[dim basalt]

Cleave

WW straight up does no damage

[minor gust]

recommend looking at the wowhead guide for rotation issues

[rare kite]

you can just pretend WW does not exist. it literally does not exist when having cleave talented as cleave replaces it. and if you do not have cleave talented, you're not gonna do any aoe anyway.

[slow saddle]

At least arms got a Visual REWORK

Yay

[untold pewter]

Man I'm not happy yet but I'm glad they got rid of most of that visual diarrhea with Warbreaker
And at least Colossus Smash doesn't have ethereal weapons falling and striking away from the target anymore

Also, another very good thing, apparently we got our "Condemn" aoe back
https://imgur.com/a/good-animation-SqnGEVs

Colossus Smash is saved (literally just new shield break animation, nothing else)
Warbreaker is like... Gross but still a 1000% improvement over what was first shown

It still uses the stupid ass TBC model weapons

[astral talon]

Is that blood effect new?

It looks pretty new

[untold pewter]

Hmm it's not there on live but we did have the blood for Massacre single target and the AoE Execute that looks like a Cleave with blood before but it just vanished in some patch, not sure which, like it stopped working

Apparently they managed to fix that

I am not entirely sure if they polished the blood from how it used to look

But at least it's back

So the new idea they're trying to convey here is:
-> Your character strikes the primary target strongly, which brings down ethereal weapons around it (striking away from it but striking the surrounding enemies) and thus breaking their armor (AoE)

It IS a gigantic improvement over the previous iteration but the whole ethereal weapon is still a hard miss (for me), I would much rather jump->stomp the ground->cause shockwave that breaks armor than summon silly ass TBC weapons out of thin air

[astral talon]

Ye condemn was red anima from shadowlands, now this is blood

I like it a lot tbh

[slow saddle]

100& upgrade

this other 1 looked like a silver paladin spell

[untold pewter]

Well it's still there

But it's less horrible for sure

[stone marsh]

Cleave replaces WW

[stone marsh]

It's the same animation as Vampiric Strike for San layn Dk

Kind of lazy IMO

[ebon zephyr]

Arms slayer strike should be a red cleave. It looks ass hitting something with 1 hand. Is ok on fury though.

[quaint otter]

Its reused rogues shadowstrike anim

[untold pewter]

Yeah it's honestly super bad, character just flashes forward and strikes mid other animations

Honestly would be better if slayer strike was more like Sidearm

[astral talon]

Fits warr good, thats all that matters

[stone marsh]

Just saying it's lazy from Blizz to make 2 specs have the exact same animations

[slow saddle]

Wtb buff to demolish

[fossil pier]

We are using Cleave as a filler aswell right? prioritizing it above slam?

on ST i should add

[quaint otter]

No

Its spender

Use it when u have 2+ targets and no cs up

Ms*

[slow saddle]

Slam is slammin

[fossil pier]

Is it worth holding Demolish for a few seconds till warbreaker and SS come off cd?

[thick kelp]

yes

[slow saddle]

Question is

How mant

[fossil pier]

two-three gcds 😄

[severe haven]

i love this "new" slash

i wish MS had its old slash too

not sure if its a bug anymore since they fixed execute but didnt fix MS

[severe haven]

yes, for this exe

[steep osprey]

That blood effect is so cool

[steep osprey]

Is fury one similar?

[severe haven]

no dont think so

[steep osprey]

Can someone on ptr check

[woven wasp]

youd never see it anyway, fury doesnt play massacre

[severe haven]

let me see

[steep osprey]

That’s true, I thought maybe you don’t need massacre

[woven wasp]

thats what the condemn effects were tied to previously

[severe haven]

yes fury also has the blood effect

you dont need massacre for the effect

[steep osprey]

What about the spatter

[woven wasp]

its just tied to slayer now it seems

the blood splatter is there yeah

[tacit crystal]

wtf is massacre

[woven wasp]

real

[untold pewter]

Huh

[tacit crystal]

im srs

wtf is it

[untold pewter]

A talent

[untold pewter]

That's nice
Now make execute replace rampage as the go-to spender (during execute phase) and Fury's execute will be relevant again

[severe haven]

its the same effect, just didnt appear the instance i took the screenshot

[severe haven]

execute usable at %35

[steep osprey]

Nice, thanks

[severe haven]

ngl...the new set looks cool

[olive nest]

Damn fury got 15%!?!?

Where arms!?!?!?

[fresh spire]

:bin:

[teal fossil]

We had the buffs couple weeks back

[slow saddle]

Well they had the same buffs

So we were equal, until last. Night now fury does way more st in m+ build, and prob better aoe as well( unless very big packs?)

[gusty nymph]

Well, arms is in a good place… so go buy a 100$ mount and enjoy 🤪

[slow saddle]

Did

But in all honesty arms isnt far from playing decently at least to me

Just make demos 1st swing be wb//cs

And id prob enjoy col a lot more

[gusty nymph]

Agreed. Pretty sure a few tweaks are on the way. I ll still play arms anyway. I am a masochist 🥸

[slow saddle]

I started gearing dk

And ill prob gear a ret as well if i get the time

[shadow ibex]

colossus needs another buff

its an aoe 1 trick that loses on aoe

[fresh spire]

tbh at this point arms just needs a buff in comparison to fury

[shadow ibex]

and still no ST compensation

yea

idk what those fury buffs were but arms was already meh after that round we got

[fresh spire]

makes me wonder if all this week they are going to be pushing hotfixes out class/spec by spec

seems ALL melee is pretty down bad

[shadow ibex]

still no ST compensation for colossus from the demo

i really dont think they are even aware it affected col dmg

[daring heron]

i also think exe on col might was good

[shadow ibex]

it wasnt bad at all

[daring heron]

but they decided it wasnt i guess

[shadow ibex]

their reasoning for removing it was 1000% wrong

they said colossus used exe too much

but you didnt

because you couldnt afford it

idk where they got that from but it was 100% just wrong information

in no world was exe used too much as colossus. the ST build used it just like slayer did where you waited for 4pc before MS

which was an issue of MS tuning, not execute stacks

like idk man that shit genuinely baffled me

it was just a lie

[slow saddle]

If they felt that bind the + stacks to ep

So that 2 ep stacks gives extra seconds on the ms use

[shadow ibex]

was nothing to feel

their reasoning was bullshit

their statement was just false information and these the same people saying warrior is fine

[fresh spire]

Make colossus turn EP backwards

sound so fucked

[slow saddle]

Make ep stacks work with demo instead of ms?

50% more demo fmg

[fresh spire]

nah we got colossus might for that already

[slow saddle]

Modifiers

Is arms life m8

Dont u know

[fresh spire]

we need a whole circle of buffs

Really MS needs to buff something,

[slow saddle]

More modifiers and crappy gameplay plz

[fresh spire]

demolish dont count

[brittle fiber]

MS buffs slam which buffs overpower which buffs execute

also ms has 2 charges

[still arrow]

Is unbuffed OP higher prio than slam when rage capped/close to rage capped? Outside of execute

[brittle fiber]

yes

look at the damage they do

[olive nest]

Op is higher prio than slam because it can reset MS witch is higher prio than both

You shouldn’t ever really be rage capped if you press buttons enough

[still arrow]

Ah ic makes sense, i feel like not pressing op enough so i have more rage pooled since im not getting as many ms resets, not capped really unless i skullsplitter wrong but more hovering at 80-120 constantly

[olive nest]

Ms as much as possible
If you can’t then OP
If you can’t do either, slam or refresh rend dot if it’s in pandemic window

Pretty chill spec tbh

Of course cleave instead of MS if you’re doing aoe

[severe haven]

I kinda don't like thaf cooldowns don't align too well

[olive nest]

Yeah it’s weird that demolish doesn’t align properly with CS but I’ve gotten used to just sending it whenever possible

It’s also weird to treat SkS as a filler button

I feel like it should align with cs and want to be used on cd better but is what it is

[severe haven]

Hate single target even more

Skullbreaker janky asf

Things Def got better tho

[olive nest]

I don’t think I’m playing the prio perfectly but I will prefer to sks instead of slam if it’s available when I get to a slam in the prio

Where as the prio says to sks when you’re below X rage or whatever

[proud remnant]

lol

[shadow ibex]

sks use case is so dumb i dont want to go to wowhead to find out when to use this dumb shit

[strange perch]

It seems nu-warbreaker is here to stay. I hope we can get a glyph to replce stock weapons with one weilded by the player.

[daring heron]

@icy mulch do you have the link to the fan-made cs/wb animations?

the imgur or forum link

[shadow ibex]

hope we get a glyph

that animation is just dogass

[olive nest]

Honestly

[daring heron]

i think the new fixed one is "fine" but preferred the old ground stomps for sure

[icy mulch]

One min, let me find em again

[shadow ibex]

i hate the weapons

i hate the weird spirit color

i hate the WW spin

https://tenor.com/view/kendrick-lamar-not-like-us-they-not-like-us-boogeyman-music-video-gif-14046119313609490331

[daring heron]

i just dont look at it

[olive nest]

Horse blinders activated

[shadow ibex]

the old jump in the air was fine

[real vault]

Is it me or we are missing arms buff here https://discord.com/channels/148872210742771712/1234949058121171069 ? did i dream them ?

[olive nest]

We GoT bUfFs LaSt TiMe

[teal fossil]

Scroll up

In the updates channel

[icy mulch]

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/new-arms-warrior-animations/2052417/28

[daring heron]

ty!

[fossil thistle]

Colossus smash should allow us to pull a colossus from our bag and smash it on the enemy.

[shadow ibex]

mohg is hard man

this guy is a fuckin warlock

[river ridge]

Like one of the giants from shadow of the colossus?

[lethal vale]

lol so those fury buffs are kinda insane I was hoping it was gonna be an arms season guess not 😭

[teal fossil]

Arms got buffed two weeks ago

It’s fury’s turn

[lethal vale]

Didn’t fury also get buffed two weeks ago though?

[naive sage]

One of the coolest fights tho

[fossil thistle]

Yes

[fossil thistle]

Also yes

[shadow ibex]

yea this gonna take awhile even with +25 weap and 66str so 99 with 2h he takes small dam

[naive sage]

Don’t stay too far from him except when he casts the blood spell

[shadow ibex]

i just need to respect/remember when he does a blood cast it explodes in p2

wasnt even his spear or bloodloss just rolling into the aftermath explosion

[final cipher]

Hello fellow warriors. Which race do you prefer to play arms in and is dracthyr viable?

[shadow ibex]

any race that can be warrior is viable

[olive nest]

Oh boy my friend you are in for some treats!

I wish I could un play ER and do it again fresh

[shadow ibex]

its the only class that can be any race

[olive nest]

Such a damn good game

[final cipher]

you dont have a preference?

[dire hinge]

it's basically all personal preference

[shadow ibex]

thats just my preference

[final cipher]

😛

[lethal vale]

Dwarf is always going to be the best, if not dwarf just do whatever looks best

[dire hinge]

there's a few racial abilities that some folks like over other ones (night elf is great for keys due to Shadowmeld), but just play whichever one you like the most

[final cipher]

Alright thanks fellow warriors

[pale cave]

All depends on how big you want your shoulders to be.

[dire hinge]

that's true and real

mog choice is not to be underrated

[final cipher]

Hmmm i'm a minimalist mogger

[dire hinge]

might i suggest Mechagnome then? You don't even have to mog your pants because you can't wear any

[final cipher]

Just find my human a bit boring in its stance. No jazz

[final cipher]

Sorry I can't do gnomes

I just can't

[shadow ibex]

dwarf mog is rough

[lethal vale]

How anyone can play a gnome "warrior" is crazy to me

[shadow ibex]

cant see anything

[dire hinge]

it's good, but their shoulders clip into their body super hard

[shadow ibex]

but fr race doesnt matter with atomic recal

or you can use the glamours and pick any race

[quasi torrent]

Gleeful Glamour - Lightforged Draenei

[final cipher]

That's true. Every 10 mins 😛 Think i'll try dracthyr out. Extra knock back might be handy

[shadow ibex]

anda has that favorited

[dire hinge]

good luck out there!

[final cipher]

And to you, fellow warrior

[naive sage]

If you care about transmog just go human
If you want to hyper optimize your m+ experience go dwarf for self “dispel” or night elf for shadowmeld
If you don’t really care just pick what you like

[warm bronze]

Alright guys, time to main arms again for S2 right?

RIGHT?

[olive nest]

I liked being human in M+ because I could break myself out of stuns

[olive nest]

🙏

I’m going to play nelf this coming season though and learn all the meld tech

Completely just not getting hit by a mechanic due to melding it off is very strong

[naive sage]

I totally agree
But I simply despise night elves

[shadow ibex]

the male nelf animations are probably worst in game

gnome is at least funny

[lethal vale]

Especially the dual wield, it works for rogues but for two two handers? no...

[shadow ibex]

the 2h spin they do is bad

its all bad

[spring vessel]

is there an arms build that is not so dependant on big cds ?

[teal fossil]

Those generally don’t do very well

[spring vessel]

the issue im having is when i have my big cds i pump

when i dont i hit like a wet noodle

[teal fossil]

That’s every spec in the game

[misty sandal]

You can ask every other discord for a build like that and they'll tell you that it's not possible.

[formal wigeon]

lfd makes the best noises when fighting imo, the colossus roar from the x-men arcade game

[vast helm]

Arms where?

[spring vessel]

i was thinking about dropping Bloodborne for massacre and executioner's precision

[vast helm]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/761040892970139649.gif?size=96&quality=lossless

[naive sage]

https://tenor.com/view/vivelacrab-bloodborne-roryrogue-gif-6779345303641507201

[smoky kayak]

play the reforged mod, it's good

[olive nest]

Noted, I’ll look into it!

[smoky kayak]

it's a bit more grounded than other mods, so not quite as much power fantasy as some, but it adds a lot of fairly well balanced features and encourages a lot more open world exploration; I had a lot of fun with it

[slow saddle]

I mean collosus prettt.much has small cds into every pull

[misty sandal]

Their post was about big cds.

[slow saddle]

But when theres 10 seconds left dont blindly wb + demo

[slow saddle]

Warrior has none

Demo and big cleave makes u pretty stable on pulld

[steep osprey]

I just started playing ER recently

[naive sage]

Explore every corner of the world and enjoy the ride
Don’t over level your character
Don’t read solutions online

[finite wasp]

been thinking about this too, but execute is very unsatisfying on colussus since it now doesnt grant cm stacks

[slow saddle]

New idea 2 ep stacks = garantueed ms crit

Dno man just bring back stacks on exe

We will always ms if its worth pressin

The reason we didnt was ms tuning not execute

[final cipher]

Does the difference between AoE and ST builds feel better on the PTR? Like is the dmg drop off on ST still a lot if you are in an AoE build.

[slow saddle]

That is arms

We dont get both

[fresh spire]

Slayer is a bit more comfy with it being able to drop around 150k for a solid aoe kit

Colossus? we dont talk about that

[sharp wyvern]

but what if demolish crits

[livid cloak]

every time

[stone marsh]

Hey guys does Dslice work for arms? Or any sim guide?

[dire hinge]

Dslice is "good enough" for M+ yeah. There's ways to optimize it further if you want to get more advanced, or run multiple sims, but Dslice itself is a fine baseline to work off of 👍

[stone marsh]

Cool, thanks!

[dire hinge]

happy to help!

[oak kite]

can someone upload a video of their demolish? even with max settings this whole season i did not see any effect except some cracks on the ground. first and 2nd hit are recognizable but that 3rd hit it is like poofff nothing. When I saw the patch notes for ptr saying fixed demolish visual i was wondering about it.

[oak kite]

@dire hinge ty so much i can see the third hit here. wow that is how it looked like, i seriously wonder what the problem is but lets see the patch

[dire hinge]

of course!

[grave mulch]

Hope slayer stays ontop!

[rare kite]

unless they buff colossus specifically it will.

[quaint otter]

would be huge if the made a "explosion" bigger for each cm stack

[autumn quiver]

Hello I just came back to playing warrior and I was wondering if I was doing something wrong but when ever I enter execute phase in Dungeons I feel rage starved

Like it just feels bad

[minor gust]

thats normal without points into critical thinking and no windfury

[autumn quiver]

Damn

[dire hinge]

especially for Colossus, that's normal

[rare kite]

welcome to arms

[fresh spire]

[brittle fiber]

Hey, come back 11.2.5 when arms warrior becomes bis through horrific visions

surely history doesn't repeat itself

[minor gust]

dont worry warrior scales it will be op in 11.3

[quasi torrent]

s word spotted

[shadow ibex]

i just want colossus to be good in raid

[halcyon valve]

It already is if youre willing to be delusional about it

[minor gust]

its gonna get a couple minor buffs through out the patch making it goto in M+ again but still shit for raid

[dire hinge]

Play it anyways and beat the other DPS in your guild with it

[minor gust]

Should I rekill queen this week and be the 2nd colossus arms kill

[lean geode]

Yeah but do it on my account so I can get CE without having to suffer

[rare kite]

who's the first

[brittle fiber]

him

[minor gust]

other two dont count cuz boost

[rare kite]

2nd did something atleast, did he just die or actual boost?

[tacit crystal]

mutou

help

[minor gust]

the dude is 609 ilvl its a boost he just atleast played the game for a lil

[rare kite]

ohh lmao, ye definetely boosted then

[rare kite]

enable dps meter

[tacit crystal]

help

[minor gust]

press your buttons hard Gio believe

[ionic latch]

Still no hints of Colossus becoming decent for raid?

[minor gust]

I got a great meme by Krispy for you

[rare kite]

200k. Less than i thought honestly

[brittle fiber]

by accounts of WoW balancing, that's pretty good

from the logic as to why they removed CM from execute, it's horrible

[quaint otter]

less than now iirc

[vague nova]

While I do believe there’s no reason they can’t be closer and blizz sucks, the discord dooming over the gap when it’s closer than it is now is funny as fuck

[minor gust]

uhhhh its closer on live than it is on ptr

[vague nova]

Ah, Was referencing the comment above, arms is an alt and I play it for fun either way 😛

[minor gust]

🤔

[slow saddle]

Fact

Basicly nerf bleed dmg, while col uses arterial blood for bleed dmg wasnt good either

[minor gust]

yeah bleed nerfs def hit Col harder than it would slayer

[slow saddle]

Just change arterial blood to more ms dmg

[tacit crystal]

.

[reef glade]

arms channel and yet not arms

odd

[minor gust]

[tacit crystal]

yeah

o0ops

[rare kite]

They could just change the ms/cleave node to 30%

[tacit crystal]

misinput

[minor gust]

GIO MY MAN

[tacit crystal]

i played so bad

man

[rare kite]

Gzzz gio

[tacit crystal]

i dont deservei t

[minor gust]

kill is a kill

now go show off to ppl who dont have it

[thick kelp]

[slow saddle]

Me being 4/8 this season coz life forced me into a super casual guild, vs my old slow but steady ce guild

[fresh spire]

[untold pewter]

Why were you asking what is Massacre yesterday?

[boreal quartz]

Holy denathrius

[astral yarrow]

nail him to the cross

[blissful tree]

condemn back when

[fresh spire]

Never

[tacit crystal]

because i dont read talents that are fixed

[brittle fiber]

Condemn and juggernaut with sd would be nice

Wait blizzard dont read that

[boreal quartz]

You dont want condemn

[quasi torrent]

if u exe half the fight

ur exe does no dam

👍

[thick kelp]

If you have Juggernaut as talent, your exe does no dam

baseline

[icy mulch]

That seems problematic, though as mainly a Fury player I rarely ever hit execute.

[quasi torrent]

yeah
kill jugg

[icy mulch]

Jugg is certainly an outdated talent.

[astral talon]

Can we have focused rage back?

[boreal quartz]

Nah

[icy mulch]

Hitting buttons that don't do damage is never really fun. While it would be nice to have something massive for CS windows, stacking buffs is over-rated.

[swift crown]

FR Deadly Calm

bring it back

[boreal quartz]

OG sos was almost that

[icy mulch]

Deadly calm might be interesting, but, meh? Rage starvation isn't an issue.

[boreal quartz]

And also made stuff like tom reasonable design choice

[boreal quartz]

You dont have any good spenders

Execute is shit and without it u have bazillion rage

[icy mulch]

Yeah

[boreal quartz]

So unfuck SOS

Minimum

Doesnt have to be ww btw can be any big hit thing

That u wanna afford on CD but also in CDs

[swift crown]

Naj'entus Vertebrae

[boreal quartz]

That isnt just ms which u also wanna afford on cd

[swift crown]

make Whirlwind great again

[boreal quartz]

It could also be the jump Animation of wb

Or just wb during cs if u wanted

But some kinda real secondary spender

[icy mulch]

I'm suddenly drawing a blank of SoS.

[boreal quartz]

Like you dont remember the talent or wdym

[icy mulch]

Sorry, my boomer brain keeps going to military anacronyms.

[boreal quartz]

Storm of swords

[floral ledge]

buff arms

[boreal quartz]

WW has a 70 60 rage cost but a hasted CD of 14 or so seconds

So you got 2 in cs at good haste

And maybe 1-2 between cs

Also high prio in aoe

[brittle fiber]

remove red, make yellow baseline!!!!!

[boreal quartz]

Essentially sent on CD

[boreal quartz]

Make demo red

[brittle fiber]

i just miss intimidating shout

[brittle fiber]

true

[boreal quartz]

Im ok with IV being a talent

[brittle fiber]

i hate talents that just have a flat "give % leech/vers"

[boreal quartz]

Fills the tree with good shit

[icy mulch]

We do need more capstones to not suck. lol

[brittle fiber]

i just think it's a bit outdated to have victory rush baseline and not just upgrade it to IV

[boreal quartz]

I mean it's a point u take anyways that's not flat stat

And it's a rlly good and interactive point

Same for x2 charge

You feel the diff and it's cool to have

[brittle fiber]

yea i can see for interactivity that it's good

[quasi torrent]

7777

[swift crown]

Dont think 7 is a good bind for FR

[quasi torrent]

mwheeldown is bound to 7 for me

[frosty lava]

Swap impending for intervene and you have a deal

[brittle fiber]

what

i love intervene

or do you mean make it baseline

[frosty lava]

Exactly

Yellow means baseline

But impending replacing victory rush isn’t the worse idea for a talent

[raw kayak]

my hands can only hit over to 4 lol

[swift crown]

smol hands

[raw kayak]

extremely 😭

[swift crown]

dw me too

[quasi torrent]

@swift crown bunnygirl

[swift crown]

bunnygirl

[quasi torrent]

this is why this is the superior discord

[swift crown]

true

[fresh spire]