arms

[tacit crystal]

[brittle fiber]

neeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeed the slurry right now

omllll

[tacit crystal]

what build was colo

[brittle fiber]

im down bad

[tacit crystal]

could yuo just have turbo high rolled stacks of might

during ravager

[tacit crystal]

ig you just turbo high rolled

idk

[brittle fiber]

i thought we arent running sks

[tacit crystal]

no sks is a gain in rage

during execute

[brittle fiber]

another season another horrible mandatory button to press

[tacit crystal]

?

just dont play it if it bothers you that much?

[shadow ibex]

we dont have any other options on that row

[tacit crystal]

could take bloodsurge

[shadow ibex]

they nerfed bb hard

[brittle fiber]

no jugg kinda pog

[lean geode]

Here are logs, the damage numbers are fucked I think bc it doesn't count overkill https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/qMbTLyP3JVGNnCdf?fight=9&type=damage-done&source=1

Idk how to check might rng on logs

[wooden tide]

is there a ptr elvui link i cant find on their website

[lean geode]

Idk mine updated the other day on wowup but I've had it disabled

[burnt silo]

PTR version is only available from their Discord channel https://discord.com/channels/209244641537556480/211815797486649344

[stone marsh]

Don't you want to do it anyway due to unhinged?

[minor gust]

you cant sweep unhinged mortal strikes

[quaint otter]

Yo want it to get more stacks?

[stone marsh]

Really? I thought you could. Damb

[minor gust]

we used to but that was changed right before TWW release

[quaint otter]

U still get demo stacks from it so very usable

[stone marsh]

So if I play slayer and CS is down I shouldn't sweeping strikes before bladestorm, right?

[quaint otter]

Not really huh

Speaking about colossus interaction

[minor gust]

He replied to my comment about slayer

[quaint otter]

Happens

[minor gust]

The only reason to sweep before bladestorm is for the CS if you don't have CS no reason to SS before BS

[floral ledge]

hello guys how can we do raidbots simms for ptr ?

i see a critcake video that a warrior do a sim on ptr

[fresh spire]

Mimiron.raidbots.com

[floral ledge]

ty

[stone marsh]

Got it

Also, is it unpopular to run ST CS in M+?

I feel that with warbreaker my single target is ass

With the single target colossus in slayer my ST is actually pretty decent

Feels more balanced but not sure if this has been everyone's experience

[boreal quartz]

For slayer it's decent for colo it's horrible

[stone marsh]

Got it. The other reason I don't like Colossus is because my ST in general was pretty ass

Maybe I'm playing it wrong but I don't like being too unbalanced between AoE and ST because bosses feel terrible

That's why I stick to slayer mostly but perhaps I should try colo again

[boreal quartz]

Its arms

You get either or

Never good of both

[stone marsh]

Haha a lot of specs suffer from that, but honestly my ST as arms is not the worst I've seen, popping a potion in execute kind of pumps

In bosses

Honestly some clases that I played have way worse ST with M+ build

Like marksmanship hunter u might as well go afk during bosses

[plucky fern]

st vs aoe is arms dilemma since forever

for some reason blizz refuses to make good universal talents

instead they print more 'st only' and 'aoe only' talents

[floral ledge]

looks like to be the best st build

dont mind warbreaker

[thick kelp]

bb

[boreal quartz]

Man slayer is so ass

[floral ledge]

top is with bb

[quaint otter]

Huge 416 diff out of 2kk

[untold trench]

If it is light blue 🔵, it is within variance margins
Best colour, allows you to chose what you enjoy the most, with a good consciousness

[naive sage]

I like slayer

[stone marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/culture-man-of-culture-cultured-gif-10903367

[fringe moon]

Is this current or next tier?

[olive nest]

Another glorious day as a warrior

[astral yarrow]

warrior hasnt been glorious since legion

[untold trench]

execute.vid

[olive nest]

Ooo I got you covered!

[stone marsh]

It's in wowhead for M+ builds

So I would assume this season

[thick kelp]

sus

[stone marsh]

Classic Fury was when we peaked

Has all been downhill from then

[olive nest]

||https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hMqvb8QiUk||
The daily nostalgia fill

[untold trench]

Free money you say... dont mind if I do. WHO STOLE MY DISCORD TOKEN!?!?!?!?

[thick kelp]

no

dont link it

[brittle fiber]

Uh, mop arms?

[stone marsh]

Cata arms was also sick IIRC

[astral yarrow]

really miss queueing heroic strike and then cancelling to conserve rage

[stone marsh]

Peak gameplay

[astral yarrow]

bored oout of my mind with 30 patchwerk bosses in a row that dies within 30 seconds

[stone marsh]

And TBC fury

Babysitting the Rampage buff

Back when arms was exclusives a PvP spec

Exclusively*

[astral yarrow]

real men played arms and cried when you didnt get windfury group cause meme spec

[untold trench]

Real men fell a single tear everytime

[old urchin]

Cats edge warrior prio

[shadow ibex]

No wind fury no battle shout

Those are my terms

[olive nest]

Can they just give warrior sky fury buff instead

[fresh spire]

remove all buffs

remove Pi

Remove Aug

turn up to play cause class owns

[serene glacier]

rogue get an ability where it jumps high into air to do fall damage - give arms an aerial ability OR give us namelessking lightning bolts

[lean geode]

Didn't rogues hate that ability

For the same reason we hate demolish

(or at least I hate demolish)

[vast surge]

I HATE DEMOLISH

[shadow ibex]

Aug was single worst mistake ever made

And now we have to live in this world

A world after the first sin

[vast surge]

That's a little melodramatic

[shadow ibex]

Used to be a pre sin world

Now it's post

[steep osprey]

lmao, you new here?

Schrodinger is the most dramatic arms player lmao

[vast surge]

Really? Not blizzard retconning the entire canon and making the jailer thanos?

That was a pretty big sin

[shadow ibex]

Wtf is lore

[steep osprey]

Lore in my gameplay game

[shadow ibex]

I don't give a fuck about that shit

[steep osprey]

sus

[vast surge]

WOD talent trees

[steep osprey]

What

[vast surge]

Spine of Deathwing

[steep osprey]

They're MoP talent trees

Not WoD

[vast surge]

Ah yeah

my bad

it's been some years

[steep osprey]

And tbh they were fine

[vast surge]

Vashjir and never finishing the underwater raid

[steep osprey]

The original talent trees were going to get bloated and they needed a way to fix that, and the MoP trees did that job

[vast surge]

It's true but mop talent trees were stale pretty quick

[steep osprey]

So were the original ones lol

[vast surge]

It's true

So are talent trees the original sin?

[steep osprey]

Like you barely even changed them

you just put in your talents and forgot about them

the MoP ones at least had some sort of customizations you could do depending on what content you did

or what boss you did

[vast surge]

O

[steep osprey]

And it was easier to change them on the spot

[vast surge]

Yes, I was there in the old times

[steep osprey]

You interacted with them a lot more

I think the current talent trees are the best of both worlds

[vast surge]

When you needed a stupid dust to change them

[shadow ibex]

Yea

[olive nest]

What is lore

[steep osprey]

Baby don't hurt me

[shadow ibex]

Tome of knowledge raid item kol

I think I saw a single one

[olive nest]

Forget lore make lasers shoot out of my weapon

[steep osprey]

Glad you don't have to use some dust now

you can just change stuff without any items

[olive nest]

Speaking of dust

Have you seen the ignore pain

Tell me that’s not a handful of dust

[steep osprey]

what

[vast surge]

it's a clenching hand

like you clench to ignore the pain

[steep osprey]

clench dn

[olive nest]

Definitely some ignore pain dust in that hand

[vast surge]

you won't be ignoring that pain

is ignore pain just meth?

[steep osprey]

Adrenaline

[olive nest]

This guy is getting read to face plant into this

[steep osprey]

Speaking of Adrenaline

[olive nest]

And not feel a thing

[steep osprey]

Rogues have a cd called Adrenaline Rush

But it's 98% uptime

isn't that unhealthy

[vast surge]

rogues do speed

[fresh spire]

[olive nest]

[lean geode]

Fishy is there a spreadsheet for 11.1 sims

[teal fossil]

I didn’t know IP was a hand

[lean geode]

RIP DN

[fresh spire]

remove the mortalstrikes, there is no BL yet

[lean geode]

LOGIN on colossus

[fading isle]

also this image exist because of this poor gameplay they give us in TWW

[lean geode]

Colossus was kind of cranking in my dummy tests last night but seemed very volatile compared to other specs

[swift sparrow]

dous anyone have a ptr arms build for M+?

[strange perch]

@olive nest

[olive nest]

@strange perch

[tacit crystal]

@strange perch

[steep osprey]

THoughts on SD working as Marked for Execution

[fresh spire]

whuh

[tacit crystal]

whuh

[fresh spire]

you mean forced to take it

[tacit crystal]

@fresh spire

[steep osprey]

No, instead of Marked for Execute, SD gives all the benefits

[tacit crystal]

https://tenor.com/view/derp-derpfish-derp-fish-fish-funny-fish-gif-3995205937939854061

[steep osprey]

Would make it better for Fury

You wanna use it on every SD instead of 3x marked

this affects SD

Slayer's Malice increases Execute damage instead of RB/OP

[fresh spire]

i mean fury's issue with execute is irrelevent as its so far behind now because of the recent buffs again

fury needs a full overhawl to execute at this point

[steep osprey]

I know, I have some ideas regarding that but doubt they're gonna do anything any time soon

[fresh spire]

MFE working with 3 stacks has better synergy for juggernaut than just sending it on one stack

[tacit crystal]

https://tenor.com/view/derp-derpfish-derp-fish-fish-funny-fish-gif-3995205937939854061

[steep osprey]

Like would be nice if Execute gives Slaughtering strikes instead of RB

That'd go a long way towards making it bette

[fresh spire]

tbh all those buffs are cringe in general, same shit with arms

[steep osprey]

r

[fresh spire]

all should be lowered and skills buffed instead

[steep osprey]

Real

I think Ashen Jugg should also increase critical strike damage along with chance

For execute

fury*

[fresh spire]

only one that really makes a difference to rotation is the BT crit one and even then they reworked BB now so you just send it on cd

🤷

[steep osprey]

and buff execute by 50% just incase

because it hasn't been buffed in a long time

[fresh spire]

not stacking crit in fury to have 25% from ashes and 45% from MFE is pretty solid tho

more often than not it crits

[steep osprey]

and now everything's ahjread of it

isn't ashes 50%

[fresh spire]

5 x5?

maybe im wrong

[steep osprey]

10 x5

[fresh spire]

yeh so basically 100% crit chance with MFE

[steep osprey]

I think they should make it 5% and add in critical strike damage

Right now it's very weak but that's also due to execute being weak so idk

[fresh spire]

tbf jug in general is just terrible across all 3 specs

fact fury has a different one that is easier to maintain as lower stacks vs the class that actually presses it having a super long ramp time is garbage

[steep osprey]

I think SD should give 2x stacks of jugg

[fresh spire]

rather sd was infulaced differently like MFE stacks always rolled as a 3 if used with SD or what ever stacks it has with normal execute 🤷

[steep osprey]

Slaughtering Strikes should be coming from Execute but a buffed version maybe since it's now less frequent,

[fresh spire]

plenty of things with the hero trees that are just weird

way to much damage amps and damage reductions

when they could all just be baseline

[steep osprey]

Thats a good idea too

[fresh spire]

and actually have the specs function better having 4 notes on the trees that either enhance gameplay/change how the hero tree functions

but nah 10 notes 6 of them are just flat damage amps to abilities on both meaning they more or less cancel eachother out

basically just left with CM and MFE vs small overpower differences. Ms buffed in one a bit while execute is buffed in other

Could completely wipe out everything to do with bleeds/cleave/op and it would probs function better

want spec to push MS, give it every damn reason too, want us to execute like fuck make execute unique

instead of just "ms is 10% harder hitting"

[steep osprey]

True

[fresh spire]

they tried in colossus by having it tied into demolish for amping it and also reducing its CD which honestly works, but demolish is also itself pretty odd to use, clunky sometimes, misses from range, could just be a one hit frontal slam with a 1 second windup that its anything in 24 yards like warbreaker instead of just targeted meaning if that target moved from melee range you probs still hit it

Have things like Mortal combo and enduring blows which could have easily been added to colossus to make it more engaging for mortal strike while making juggernaut way more powerful through slayer and adding back old things like trauma that leave bleeds from execute if they really wanted to make SD more prominant

[steep osprey]

They could do many things, but just there isn't any excitement for warriors

[fresh spire]

These are first itterations of hero trees and i woudln't be supprised if most on expansion launches are gutted and reworked

[stone marsh]

Wtf does this even mean? Ashen Juggernaut

Are fury warriors gray or pale colored?

What makes it ashen and arms just has normal Juggernaut?

[fresh spire]

fury has been pale from the amount of nerfs it took early patch into the gutting of odyns next patch

[stone marsh]

Good

Arms is better anyway

[steep osprey]

What do you think about Slaughtering Strikes for Execute?

instead of RB

[fresh spire]

problem is thats a dead talent really until 35%

its same shit as Executioners

[steep osprey]

I'd buff it, and make it give more stacks with SD

[fresh spire]

SD is only giving it solid value, bad sd bad ep

already get a pretty solid amount of SD with the 2 ways to proc it

[vague nova]

1/5 vault slots were heroic can you guess what track I got trinket on 🙂

[fresh spire]

Slaughter might seem shit but it does add some pretty solid damage to a button that honestly needs way more damage

fact your at on 130 rage from the way RA works in S2 is sad

[steep osprey]

One of t he reasons RB is so good is due to Slaughtering stacks

so if you removed that and gave it to Execute, you'd go along way towards making it useable

[fresh spire]

RB actually just does solid damage aswell as a baseline while also buffing ramp

[vestal isle]

thoughts 1st warrior vault of the season

[fresh spire]

:holy

[last inlet]

holy.

[fresh spire]

man ate up all his luck week 1

[vestal isle]

druid got shit vaults all season

this was due

smh

[vague nova]

I have seen one trinket on mythic the ENTIRE season and it’s the fuckin overclocked geararang launcher I got week 1

[lean geode]

Blizzard really said "RA makes you overcap rage a ton and that's unintuitive and bad design, so lets make you overcap rage even more"

[fresh spire]

at least when it comes to MFE it has created such a horrible cycle in both specs where really you are jug fishing or fishing for the max damage out of it for every SD proc, feels alittle counter intuitive while blizzards default ui glows up like a christmas tree when SD procs but you are expected to wait. Always when i look at stuff i do tend to think hey how would the socials of this game find this vs the elites and well, you know for sure the average play isn't waiting for max stacks and really missing out on some value

[vestal isle]

💀

[steep osprey]

I heard you like overcapping rage, dawg

[lean geode]

"We're making a hero spec built around execute"
"You shouldn't press execute until the very last global to extend/maintain your buffs"

[fresh spire]

WE WANT YOU TO EXECUTE... sometimes...

[teal fossil]

The zoomers do this thing called edging

[fresh spire]

MFE should just make SD always hit X harder without stacks.

[steep osprey]

They're clueless as to how the spec works

[teal fossil]

We are edging juggernaut

[steep osprey]

it's clear

[fresh spire]

when you edge but you just fall off as you can't last long enough

[lean geode]

I said this in #fury but even if they giga buffed execute's raw damage, fury still would delay pressing it bc maintaining AJ is so important that you can't risk executing early

Above regular exe threshold at least

[fresh spire]

yep

1 second before it falls off or MFe 3 stacks, 2 stacks of SD with x seconds left to prevent wasting 2 stacks

its stupid

[steep osprey]

Buffing raw damage isn't enough, give it slaughtering strikes and make MfE work for SD

or what's the talent called

[fresh spire]

you don't want to give execute slaugher

[steep osprey]

that makes u do more crit damage with MfE stacks

[lean geode]

They'd just need to make SD proc way more often

[fresh spire]

its just going to make it worse to play overall as the feedback loop before execute is worse

[lean geode]

So you don't risk running out of AJ stacks

[steep osprey]

If they buffed UF, you maybe wouldn't wanna overcap too much rage

or made it work per rage used

Use 1200 rage to get soem reck seconds

[fresh spire]

someone mentioned per hit of rampage>per use

Tbf the entirely of fury's capstones are just hot garbage now

[lean geode]

This would be about as strong as the pre-nerf UF right?

[fresh spire]

they nerfed everyone of them so badly the middle talents are better

[olive nest]

Lmao

[fresh spire]

maybe, 20% vs 6/6/6/6/6

[olive nest]

Good work blizz

[fresh spire]

i mean even capstone talents are weaker now

on talent tree to point you only run torment on arms/fury for st

[steep osprey]

There's a lot of thigns they can do for hte passive capstones

DoI could be critical strike damage during reck

a lot of it

buff UF or make it work per hit of rampage

[fresh spire]

they need to fully rework UF/DOI to be more engaging with AM/RA

[lean geode]

Probability of at least one proc per rampage is 27% if I remember my undergrad stats correctly

[steep osprey]

But again, I don't want more reck uptime

[fresh spire]

1/5 kinda strong

[steep osprey]

I think they should nerf berserker's torment

to buff UF

or remove duration from DOI

[fresh spire]

maybe a good reason to rampage though knowing you might get more ra 🤷

[steep osprey]

Reck is like 24 seconds on PTR

that's too much

I think they should bake duration into UF and make it proc more

That'd bring back some excitement

[fresh spire]

zerker torment all they got left on good capstones

dont take that away from them too 😄

[steep osprey]

It wouldn't be bad but it'd be worse

That's another thing to fix

Idc

[fresh spire]

Personal feelings is DOI should enhance how AM works while UF is already a means for enhancing RA

[steep osprey]

How would DoI work in that scenario

I mean, how would it enhance AM

[fresh spire]

split it make it so it has unique functions if AM is taken or if RA is taken, would have something simple like rampage damage or additional value out of recks crit

[steep osprey]

Actually you could make it one capstone

but it works differently depending on what talent you picked

sedc

Let me show you how

[fresh spire]

i was talking to someone the other day about reck saying like they should just remove the rage gen from RA and bake it fully into AM so when recks up you only get the 2x rage during reck is AM is taken, then they can fully just rework recklessness to not just be 20% RNG Crit and try something more interesting

[steep osprey]

what if DoI only works with AM and it makes Rampage always crit during reck

lol idk

[olive nest]

What if recklessness empowered your abilities for its duration

[fresh spire]

i mean it sorta does now with the RA change

[steep osprey]

get out

[olive nest]

They could call them bloodbath and crushing blow or something like that

[fresh spire]

But baseline reck is boring, not as boring as avatar

[steep osprey]

Thoughts on this

[steep osprey]

test

F Crit but who cares

[olive nest]

Reck giving crit chance is very boring

[stone marsh]

Sorry guys I thought I was in the arms channel, my bad we are in Fury

[steep osprey]

It's fury now

[fresh spire]

just need to make rampage hit much harder for AM as it should be the highest prio button for spending rage

:o7

make it actually fuck

[olive nest]

True

[steep osprey]

wait, what if ramapge has a bleed for AM

[fresh spire]

(add that to thane, blood and thunder )

[swift sparrow]

anyone testing arms on ptr can show me a build?

[olive nest]

You can just copy live builds

[swift sparrow]

okay thanks 🙂

[olive nest]

Glhf!

[steep osprey]

I have an idea regarding DoI, Further increases the critical strike chance during recklessness to 30% and your critical strike damage is increased by 30%.

Or more, it's a hypothetical rn

[fresh spire]

dunno, dont think DOI should do duration but it should work with something like you said above buffing the actual spell

Sorta like how we got Blunt/Warbreaker

ofc Blunt being an extendor but its enabling IFTK haste

etc

we might get a build later, hopefully colossus fix 🙏

if they can at least save colossus for keys life good, but rn its looking bleak

[steep osprey]

Nerf Cleave damage by 10% and buff Demolish by 20%

[fresh spire]

needs more than that.

[steep osprey]

Ok then 20% nerf and 40% demolish buff

[brittle fiber]

Ah i see krisp still thinking colossus will be fixed before midnight

[fresh spire]

just for colossus to match slayer in ST through buffing demolish it needs to hit 90% harder

need an interaction for demolish with a demolish buff back

[steep osprey]

Or better yet, nerf this shit and buff Demolish

[fresh spire]

already said to archi if they ever complain about cleave tell them to gut this thing

cleave on that, and cleave directly below it

love 50% of my damage being one button

when considering slam+seismic

[steep osprey]

How much would you nerf it

2.5%?

[fresh spire]

easily could be 2.5% and you would barely feel it

[olive nest]

Maybe I’m goofy but I actually enjoy cleaving being the primary button in aoe

[dim basalt]

Why does it even increase the damage of shockwave lmao

[fresh spire]

yeh dont get me wrong i fucking love cleave

[lean geode]

Make demolish not root you and like 90% of the cringe of colossus is gone immediately

[fresh spire]

But its way too powerful

[steep osprey]

Yeah, me too, and it is very powerful

[fresh spire]

(colossus at least)

[steep osprey]

That's just logical

[brittle fiber]

Another 5 cap talent!!!

[steep osprey]

lmfao

[fresh spire]

i kinda wished shockwave did damage ngl

huge nuke

[dim basalt]

yeah dunno about that

[fresh spire]

big stun big dam

[brittle fiber]

Shockwave doing damage is the next step theyre gonna do tbh i feel it

[olive nest]

We’d never use properly if it did alot of damage

We would just use it for dps

[steep osprey]

That's half of the effectiveness of it gone, and then they can buff Demolish by 50%

[candid pecan]

To help Colossus ST, make Blunt instruments baseline , if you pick warbreaker, when you use it, all enemies will have 10 sec CS debuff, expect your main target (13 sec) or main and 1 other target if you have sweep up, better St, better prio

[fresh spire]

make it so if it kicks a cast it hits harder :holy:

[brittle fiber]

Make shockwave mandatory in ST

[olive nest]

I guess that’s okay though the group would just have to expect that we stun early and on cd

[steep osprey]

Actually just remove Colossus Smash

and have warbreaker be baseline

real

and true

[olive nest]

🧠 👨‍🍳

[boreal quartz]

I want to sweep cs

[brittle fiber]

Make cs have a reset

Simple as

[steep osprey]

Why does that matter when you'll just hit everything with WB anyway

[olive nest]

Take sweep off the gcd

[fresh spire]

enduring being added to colussus would be goated

[olive nest]

Or make it passive and always active

[steep osprey]

Just name it Colossus Smash and make it work exactly like WB

[fresh spire]

passive 🙏

[steep osprey]

WB being locked behind a talent that shits on your ST damage

is cursed

fuck that

[vast surge]

Someone suggested that demolish should be a chain attack like that paladin option for crusader’s strike

[brittle fiber]

Ive already started paying for mythic boosts on my mage warrior is dead at least til .2 to me

[fresh spire]

warrior always dead

just more about how dead other stuff is

[steep osprey]

Krispy

what do you think of making WB/CS one button

[brittle fiber]

I refuse to go back to monk after they just made spinning crane kick a single target filler again

[steep osprey]

AoE WB with blunt instruments

[brittle fiber]

Theyd nerf the shit out of cs then

[steep osprey]

Why would they?

[brittle fiber]

Because blizzard

[steep osprey]

Or they could make Blunt instruments shit like

CS is 3 second longer on primary targets

[brittle fiber]

I just want buttons i press 10 times during a fight to make up more than 2% of my total damage

[steep osprey]

FISHY

[teal fossil]

You know the story of why wb vs blunt exists

[steep osprey]

No

[fresh spire]

i think on a feedback thing i made in past i put CS/WB on same node, and Blunt was baked into CS

so you had same situation just not paying +1 talent for it

[teal fossil]

I like this

[steep osprey]

HOLY, such a smart fellow

Your mother must be proud

[fresh spire]

hopefully

[steep osprey]

[sharp wyvern]

you should ask blizz if you can be a dev for mage or ret so you can implemnent those good ideas

[steep osprey]

lmao

[fresh spire]

Hopefully blizzard in general in next expansion will just shoot CS in general removing how many we have will making ones we have more exciting

SS/spear/Roar all die. Avatar/Cs/reck become goated

[steep osprey]

Krisp just sign up to be a blizz dev

[steep osprey]

SO TRUE

I HAVE BEEN ADVOCATING FOR THE REMOVAL OF TR/SPEAR

and making our other cds better

like BS/Ravager

[sharp wyvern]

BS ?

[steep osprey]

or Avatar/cs/Reck

[fresh spire]

Secret wish is each spec just has a cooldown that works for them

[lean geode]

Fishy how do you feel about baking SS into WB

[fresh spire]

No more overlapping of avatar

[sharp wyvern]

they made an entire hero spec to make BS good

[steep osprey]

I think it's cool

[fresh spire]

just make SS passive

[lean geode]

Hello based department

[fresh spire]

back in legion it hit 3 targets only with execute and ms

it actually would be amazing for slayer rn

[steep osprey]

I think it's better if SS is stronger but it's a passive during WB or CS

[sharp wyvern]

so just make it work like improved whirlwind on fury ?

combine it with cleave

[lean geode]

cleaving MS would be goated for col, no?

Just wouldn't get the sweep on demolish

[fresh spire]

i mean yeh but execute would go hard with jug if it hit 3 targets too

[teal fossil]

The story was because people didn’t like that you took cs just to replace it 2 talents later

So they added blunt to differentiate

[steep osprey]

So people fucked it up

Of course

I hate people

[fresh spire]

Fact one spec doesn't have a full long sweep ST setup to absouletly crush ST damage while doing monster 2 target is sad

[teal fossil]

Half the suggestions people make on here is monkeys paw

[steep osprey]

What's a monkey's paw

[sharp wyvern]

people in S1 and 2 of DF were making fun of anihilator
in S3 they love it
once it was removed they cried

[fresh spire]

one good thing about last expansion that a sweep ST setup actually did pog damage where now if you aren't cleaving ur just low

[sharp wyvern]

nobody knows what the fuck they want

let the devs trake the wheel

[fresh spire]

Buff DN kill cleave

👍

[lean geode]

We love DN

[teal fossil]

Like something you wish for has negative unintended consequences

[steep osprey]

I mean, the devs don't know what they're doing either

[fresh spire]

unironically DN was healthy being strong, fact they shot it so hard and gutted SOA leaving 3 talents so weak on their own is savage

[lean geode]

Unironically I really enjoyed when DN was better on single target bc it gave you a reasonable amount of passive cleave/add damage

[sharp wyvern]

lesser evil is devs not lsitening

[fresh spire]

The biggest offender to arms right now is that taking aoe does punish the ST of the specs pretty hard

[sharp wyvern]

why would i want them to listen to people asking for smf to be meta

[fresh spire]

you can mediate it a little taking blunt but it still chunks a pretty bit

[fresh spire]

make SMF baseline let me use 1 2 hander 1 1 hander

😠

[sharp wyvern]

never

[fresh spire]

[sharp wyvern]

actually

just travel to the past

it was passive and you had titans grip and smf at the same time

[fresh spire]

take me back to when gladiator was meta

before they shot it

[sharp wyvern]

no thats cringe

[fresh spire]

fucking loved glad warrior

taking the main tanks shield as it rolled bonus armor :l:

[sharp wyvern]

if you had the option to go back to any warrior why wouldnt you take legion

you rather take a meme spec

[fresh spire]

(focus rage was fucking overrated)

(sorry crit)

if we had legion where we didn't use focused i would be happy

[sharp wyvern]

we didnt play focused rage the entire expac tbf

[fresh spire]

good

[sharp wyvern]

just like we didnt spam IP in DF for the entire xpax

[fresh spire]

still first tier felt ape as fuck when you didnt have the cost reduction gloves

[sharp wyvern]

or if you didnt have

[steep osprey]

Honestly FR seems bad

[fresh spire]

i got cof early, good times

[steep osprey]

Pressing a button to not do anything is scuffed

[fresh spire]

i loved when the trinket was like 40% my overall

[steep osprey]

Heroic Strike is a better version

Of FR

[fresh spire]

focus rage just turned into

:overpower:

real

[sharp wyvern]

FR would be sick if we had the same rage economy as slayer rn

but then you just macro it to every gcd ...

[lean geode]

Then you cry during execute no?

[sharp wyvern]

are we pressing MS during execute ?

[fresh spire]

ye

[lean geode]

Yes?

[fresh spire]

still good at 2ep

[sharp wyvern]

2 ep and OP resets

[lean geode]

Don't think we play opp in 11.1 so it's exe exe OP MS right Fishy?

[sharp wyvern]

maybe execute phase would become more interesting actually

when we arent just spamming execute until we have enough stacks of things

[fresh spire]

you play around rage rn

depends how high or low you are, also winning streak stacks matter after 7 stacks so you prio op harder to force proc 2p

[lean geode]

Bruh moment

I don't want to track stacks maaaaaan

[fresh spire]

more weakauras

[sharp wyvern]

cringe tier set

[steep osprey]

That’s cool actually no?

It changes how you play

[sharp wyvern]

technically the current one does that too

also its not rng

i feel like having a tier set stack counter is gonna be depressing af cause you see everytime it gets reset before 7 stacks

[fresh spire]

you just have it pop up when its at 7+ stacks or under 65 rage in execute

[lean geode]

What is "it" here

[sharp wyvern]

yeah idk how to do that im a WA noob

[fresh spire]

someone will make them

[lean geode]

Are these the conditions for using OP during execute?

[teal fossil]

Is the broken stacking interaction still there

[fresh spire]

refreshing of 4p?

[teal fossil]

Where if you gain stacks you also refresh old stacks

Yeah

[fresh spire]

its not broken

its made so you never waste stacks

before you could proc a 10 stack and instantly delete it into a 1

its made to safe guard wasting stacks while not wasting early procs

its perfect

if it was coded any other way it would be a legit 2% dps set

[teal fossil]

It could be non refreshing like ironfur

[steep osprey]

What is it now

[fresh spire]

5.5%

still somewhat weak but not as bad as before

functionally better

[olive nest]

That’s actually fairly reasonable

Closer to like 8% would be better though I think

[fresh spire]

my hope is they either buff the 4p to 3% ms damage or up the op proc to 20%

[olive nest]

8-10% total from tier set seems like a good made up range

[fresh spire]

did sims testing 15/20/25/30 and it was a pretty sizable gain from 15-20, purely for uptime and preventing overcapping on winning streak

dk is like 11% but thats their worst hero spec (welcome to bad gameplay unholy dks 🙂 )

while other one is 5

[olive nest]

New build today surely more buffs since they watched the Critcake video

[lean geode]

There was no new build last tuesday innit

[fresh spire]

Crit hasn't put out a sad sob one yet, they only listen when crit was sad

there was last tuesday

ones on tracker already

should get a blue post soon about it if its coming tonight

[lean geode]

What does this mean

[olive nest]

Twitter!

[fresh spire]

they got a bot that watches blizzard internal servers for new builds, usually pings when there is one coming/being worked on

[lean geode]

This seems like a wild security vulnerability

I can't imagine having a public twitter bot monitoring our servers

[fresh spire]

i dont think they are purely "internal"

[lean geode]

Unless it's just like polling a health check endpoint and effectively being a downtime detector?

[fresh spire]

more like the vendor ones for early access/public stuff

something like blizzard partners get a look at before players etc

[steep osprey]

The builds we’re getting now are ones they already did a while ago

[fresh spire]

blizzard working on line 2/3 content patches at the same time right now

which is why sometimes hotfixes are missing when they push new ones

[lean geode]

blizzard needs to learn how to use git better

apparently wow came out before git though which is wild to me

[dim basalt]

You really think theyre using git?

[trim lintel]

version control tools existed before git

[olive nest]

When are they announcing glyphs for the original CS/WB animations

[lean geode]

Not if you're a zoomer like me

[lean geode]

I sure hope they are at this point

[sharp wyvern]

being a zoomer changes the past ?

[lean geode]

YEP

On god though I thought git came out in like the 80s

[stone marsh]

Hey guys, which build for court?

[olive nest]

Yes the nasa computer used git

[dim basalt]

The company I work for doesnt use git either

[lean geode]

They were so ahead of their time

My goats

[lean geode]

This is fucked up

[dim basalt]

Youre lowkey close-minded

[stone marsh]

Is this ok for court?

[olive nest]

Second wind is fairly useless

It was healing like .1% for me

[stone marsh]

Ok but the right side of the tree is ok?

the arms one

[dim basalt]

Dont need DN on that fight

[stone marsh]

so strenght of arms?

[dim basalt]

Wait youre colossus

[lean geode]

Kind of wild ad hominem but I'll take it. Just seems like basically everyone has changed to git a long time ago so not having done so makes you an outlier

[stone marsh]

Should I just go for ST build? This build was in Wowhead as 2 target build

[olive nest]

I would go copy one of the top wcl builds

[fresh spire]

can try my build if you get bored

pretty fun

[olive nest]

No jug on 2 target execute window pretty wild move fish!!

[fresh spire]

tbf rank 1 colossus guy played the same but with spear

spear gaming

[stone marsh]

where can i find this?

[untold trench]

Why no jugg when all execute talents?

[dim basalt]

lorrgs.io

[fresh spire]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/rankings/38?boss=2921&class=Warrior&spec=Arms

[daring heron]

i am upset

[fresh spire]

i love the passive comment last video "arms is a mess"

[untold trench]

Better bring out em crocodile tears, we want buffs

[daring heron]

i dont know how long of a cooldown this type of video has

[daring heron]

lmao

[fresh spire]

once per expansion imo

usually 2 weeks into a patch

outside of that you are allowed to make small comments about bad talents with every video and why you dont take them

[untold trench]

This comment, hits too close to home

[daring heron]

strong comment

[fresh spire]

https://tenor.com/view/brexby-gif-24077625

signing up for keys be like

even seeing Dan get declined on stream is a feelsbad moment

[daring heron]

i havent pugged much this season

warrior too boring and weak

[untold trench]

It really grim to PuG, I know, I decided this was the season to try PuGing

I regret my life

[fresh spire]

has been a go play other games after weeklies sorta feel this season

[daring heron]

ya

[fresh spire]

cant wait for Go play other games after delves next season

[quasi torrent]

good thing we got nerfed 3 times

[fresh spire]

Delve still has a suprising amount of strong trinkets. i'm fully expecting them to tune dungeon/raid ones more or nerf delve ones

[fresh spire]

part 2 coming soon

:odyns:🔫

i still love the 3 nerfs hit arms more in the cross fire than it did to do fury overall after the buffs they got on the one

[untold trench]

Dont joke about more OF buffs, it suffered more than enough
I think they should nerf arms directly from now on

[fresh spire]

odyns more buffs this weeks surely

🙏

[misty sandal]

I kind of want to see the spear buffed 🫣

[quasi torrent]

kind of want to see spear removed

[misty sandal]

[swift crown]

Time to remove spear and add Banner

[misty sandal]

I'd also be fine with bringing banner back

[naive sage]

Ancient aftershock

My beloved

[brave latch]

can someone give me a quick tldr on how single target arms rotation should look like?

[misty sandal]

Wait. Are we talking old banner before Legion that was a cd or that necrolord banner?

If the necrolord banner, then I'll pass on that

[river ridge]

Slayer or Colossus?

That'll impact how your opener goes, and some minor changes to the rotation.

But after that it's...
Keep Rend on Target > CS on CD> MS on CD > OP > Slam

Again this changes a bit based on your Hero Spec (Slayer has to play around Sudden Death, etc.) But that's it for the most part.

[smoky kayak]

So you mean Recklessness? Lmao

[steep osprey]

Yo, we were talking about Slayer for Fury regarding MfE and I was wondering what are the downsides for making SD just like MfE? It would definitely mean more Execute casts, right? I'm wondering why they made a completely different debuff/passive when baking it into SD would have done the job

[brave latch]

slayer , and do u actually use rend or just skullspliter since it applies rend?

[river ridge]

Skullsplitter doesn't apply Rend. Only abilities that do that are Thunderclap or MS when a target is sub 35%.

[dim basalt]

Skullsplitter does not apply rend

[river ridge]

Also I haven’t specced Skullsplitter since like week 2 of the expansion

[smoky kayak]

well the first downside is that it homogenizes the two mechanics

Especially if you mean making SD build up a large damage buff

the answer is because SD is a class/spec mechanic and Marked is a hero spec one

[brave latch]

oh nvm im trippin , it causes a faster bleed

[river ridge]

All good!

[dim basalt]

It should apply rend ngl

[river ridge]

I mean Skullsplitter shouldn't exist imo <_<;

[dim basalt]

or haste the dots instead

[smoky kayak]

You can drop it pretty easily in 11.1

[river ridge]

Can't drop it if you haven't specced for it 😎

[dim basalt]

BL + EB will go hard

[smoky kayak]

despite all their efforts, I'm not sure BL is there yet

[dim basalt]

😦

[smoky kayak]

though they have done a fair bit to get it into a better place, Colossus as a whole is lagging behind

EB looking pretty good though

[dim basalt]

I think Id rather play Sks than Fatality tho

With how it works currently at least

[smoky kayak]

Fatality is basically passive

[dim basalt]

I dont wanna hold my cds for it tho

On PTR

[smoky kayak]

you don't need to

[brave latch]

do u use rend to apply bleed or thunderclap ? which is better , prolly thunderclap for aoe?

[river ridge]

Technically Rend is better ST, but the difference is so small just hit Thunderclap if you spec for it and save yourself a keybind

[smoky kayak]

^ if you spent the talent points to spec into it, just use TC
if you're not, there's only one target anyway, so just use Rend

[brave latch]

word , tyvm guys appreciated

[fresh spire]

im a clapper>render, just hate the extra button for minor gains

[misty sandal]

yeah

Why won't they give that to arms anyway? Am i MIssing something?

[smoky kayak]

Arms did have it, they took it away in order to dehomogenize and diversify the specs a bit

[river ridge]

Same. If I'm specced TC, Rend doesn't get pressed.

[smoky kayak]

though technically Arms does have some access to Reck via Warlord's Torment

[severe haven]

Have you played plunderstorm?

[smoky kayak]

actually no, not this time around lol

[severe haven]

There is an axe slice aoe ability

They should give that to arms

[smoky kayak]

REALLY? WOW WHAT AN ORIGINAL IDEA, DEFINITELY NEVER HEARD THAT BEFORE

[severe haven]

Would you prefer demolish

Come now

[smoky kayak]

actually I kinda like demolish

[severe haven]

They did give WW a plunderstorm move

[smoky kayak]

but preference isn't really a factor

[severe haven]

I like it too, doesn't change that it feels dog to press

And I'm not even considering pvp

[smoky kayak]

[icy mulch]

As someone that has almost exclusively Pugged this season, yes. Yes it is absolutely brutal out here.

[severe haven]

Here here

[lean geode]

If demolish worked like fists of fury it would be goated

As it is now it's very cringe tho

[steep osprey]

I think it makes sense that Slayer buffs SD to make it a better passive by giving it the execute crit damage etc

[smoky kayak]

well it kinda does, but sure

[smoky kayak]

as a channel?

idk what you mean

[steep osprey]

Also why isn't Slayer's Malice buffing Execute instead of RB

[steep osprey]

It's already pretty similar to a channel

I don't understand

[gusty nymph]

do they listen to the PTR feedback? the arms channel is pretty much dead...

[steep osprey]

Probably not

[smoky kayak]

to a point, sure

just cause they listen doesn't mean "they do what I want"

[lean geode]

So you can move during it

[smoky kayak]

yeah that's probably not gonna happen

tehcnically you can move during though lol

just gotta stack those speed stats

[steep osprey]

I'm pissed they said they're happy with warrior, there's nothing to be happy about

stale ass class

[gusty nymph]

I assumed. too bad the feedback is so scarce... i ll keep up the weekly bump but since not much is happening...

[smoky kayak]

players are never happy

[smoky kayak]

PTR forums don't get a lot of action in general

and most of the feedback that does get posted... isn't always very constructive lol

they've already made a lot of good changes though so

[gusty nymph]

arms animations get more action than our spec. maybe it is normal, but it seems weird to me

[smoky kayak]

what does that even mean

they completely overhauled Reckless Abandon lol

[steep osprey]

I'd be more than happy if we got changes like MM hunter got this PTR cycle

[smoky kayak]

they just did a ton of tuning

I swear sometimes it's like yall brain dump week to week

[steep osprey]

It's not tuning, it's a major rework that I want

[lean geode]

I brain dump hour to hour bud

[upbeat pelican]

how's warrior looking overall for 11.1? pondering my options for the next season

[smoky kayak]

well you were never going to get it, so you were just setting yourself up for disappointment
so who are you really mad at?!

[steep osprey]

You

[smoky kayak]

good

[steep osprey]

(It's a joke please don't ban me)

[smoky kayak]

[lean geode]

[upbeat pelican]

but, for real?

[smoky kayak]

depends if you mean balance or design

• balance wise, actually kinda strong compared to some melee atm, but they're obviously not done tuning
• design wise, overall similar to 11.0, but a little more refined - a few talent shakeups, more emphasis on MS damage and resets/less on bleeds, olossus is lagging behind Slayer though

the class tree changes are good, +10% extra health, +extra passive DR, better pathing at the bottom of the tree

[river ridge]

I mean tuning is probably gonna be fine.

Our other issues with utility and stuff haven't seen changes, so I don't forsee a ton of changes to our position in PuG meta

But we're harder to kill now, which is actually huge.

[lean geode]

Warrior was already pretty impossible to kill

[upbeat pelican]

thank you

[lean geode]

And with dk survivability being nerfed we might be the tankiest mdps

Maybe ret

[smoky kayak]

there are week-to-week notes in #updates-midnight btw, if you wanna see more exact changes

[lean geode]

Archi do you have a sneak peek at the new build? 👀

[smoky kayak]

Wars won't be the most survivable melee, but they'll definitely be more survivable, which is still a win

[river ridge]

Eh? If you're proactive about it sure, but once you're out of buttons you're in big danger. Passively we'll be much better off than 11.0

[upbeat pelican]

i'll be raiding as dps, but tanking in m+. i like ret but i prefer prot warrior over pala

[smoky kayak]

Prot has gotten a lot of changes to reduce its APM; a lot of people still on the fence as to how good/bad they are though

[lean geode]

You pretty much always have SR/IV, and you do always have dstance if you need

[smoky kayak]

I think the general consensus is that they're just kind of... there; APM is slightly lower, but mostly the same

[upbeat pelican]

yoda seemed to be surprised by prot warr in the stress test

[steep osprey]

I feel like Fury is in such a messy place in terms of rotation priorities on PTR. You don't wanna press Execute, you don't want to press Rampage with RA unless you're dropping Enrage, TB is now further down in terms of prio due to BT/RB buffs, OF damage and who knows what else

[river ridge]

I also don't consider IV to be super strong since it has no damage reduction component. It's great if you don't die, and have enough time to react to damage you've taken, but it's not like other defensives that prevent damage on a similar CD (EG: mage Barrier)

Anyways getting our stamina node and bonus avoidance from 2H spec is big.

[smoky kayak]

Rampage only loses priority during Reck, which is only a small part of your rotation - frankly that's not a problem to me, since the whole point of RA is to play different from AM

Execute/TBlast falling down is just a byproduct of them buffing the ever loving hell out of BT/RB/Ramp (especially with a set bonus that buffs them even further); it's a problem, but not really a major problem, especially considering TBlast/OF are still higher prio in multitarget (which is what they're really built for)

tbh they probably should reduce the BT/RB/Ramp buffs and put some of that damage into other buttons/spec aura, but going live as is will still play fine

[steep osprey]

Maybe this is weird but what do you think about whirlwind actually doing damage in aoe?

like TC/B does for Thane

That's going to make TB feel less exciting so probably not a good idea

[smoky kayak]

Arms has a similar issue in that they buffed all the rotational abilities so much that Demolish has lost ~1/4 of its comparative value, though Colossus as a whole is lagging behind so much atm that it doesn't really matter

[steep osprey]

Yeah I've seen some sims from Krispy and Cleave is just doing so much more damage than demolish it's insane

I think they should nerf One Against Many to 2.5% and buff Demolish

[smoky kayak]

A) It can't as long as Meat Cleaver exists, and personally I think Meat Cleaver is a more interesting mechanic than static damage
B) It homogenizes with Thane

[steep osprey]

That passive is insane anyway

[naive sage]

iirc arms was one of the specs with most deaths according to logs

[misty sandal]

i was actually excited about that going into this expansion. I don't hate slayer, but I do hate to see colossus behind so much in st

[smoky kayak]

well part of that is because Cleave gets pressed every other GCD, but yeah Demo is down because everything else got buffed

[steep osprey]

The best thing would be to nerf One Against Many and buff Demo

[smoky kayak]

Or just nerf Cleave in general

[steep osprey]

It's just stupid, 25% damage increase

[river ridge]

Honestly wouldn't be super worried about it. Blizzard was pretty quick in S1 to readjust hero talents, I can't imagine if Colossus ships as is it won't get adjustment later on.

[smoky kayak]

against 5 targets

[steep osprey]

Idk about that considering Cleave isn't that egregious for Slayer

[dim basalt]

Why nerf anything and buff something else when we arent top tier in aoe damage anyway

[smoky kayak]

it kinda is

[steep osprey]

They'd have to put that damage somewhere else then

[magic canopy]

yeah put it right back into enhance shaman

[steep osprey]

I feel like im beating a dead horse on this topic but I really like the Season 3 DF set for arms

i think they should bring that back as a talent like they did for Havocs

[smoky kayak]

if only there were like 5 other multitarget abilities they could choose from!

[steep osprey]

Is there any way I can get them to maybe add that lol

[steep osprey]

Adding season 3 arms set would be a good aoe button

in place of SkS

No one likes that

[smoky kayak]

feel free to post it on the PTR forums, I hear they're really active

[steep osprey]

can you hit them up for me

I honestly think if we voted for s3 arms and it won

they'd bring it back

but they wanted the boring s1 set

and now we are paying the price

[misty sandal]

Anyone check in on our friend ww recently

[steep osprey]

WW is just so much worse than Cleave idk

now that cleave replaces is, there's no reason to ever touch it

[smoky kayak]

Yeah, I think they kinda missed the mark on that

[naive sage]

They explicitly said that cleave is the intended multi target ability for arms so no hope for ww to return

[smoky kayak]

theoretically, the idea is that you could use WW in situations where it isn't worth talenting into cleave

but realistically, cleave is so powerful that you're either going to talent into it, or just not bother hitting multiple targets anyway

[steep osprey]

Especially considering the drawback of WW was supposed to be that you can use it on every GCD it but now you can pretty much use Cleave every other button, it's pointless

[smoky kayak]

that said, I like Cleave a lot more than WW for Arms

[steep osprey]

II agree

[smoky kayak]

so I don't really care all that much either

[steep osprey]

I don't care about WW

but it's sus

[smoky kayak]

I would just as soon they nix WW entirely and make Cleave the standard Arms multitarget button in 12.0

[steep osprey]

Real

[smoky kayak]

really the only reason it's there is because it's a common low level talent that all Warriors get, like Shield Block and Slam

and that's fine tbh

[steep osprey]

Is there a capstone in this game that increases duration of a cd by 4 seconds

aside from depths of insanity

Such a bland and uninteresting capstone passive

[smoky kayak]

Would it be more exciting if it said “increases the duration of recklessness by 30%”?

[naive sage]

Bland is a very good adjective for warrior in general rn

[steep osprey]

I think what it should say is, increases critical strike chance during recklessness by an additional 10% and critical strike damage by 30%

[smoky kayak]

#arms message

[steep osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/peace-out-gif-22295199

I already made a post recently but it's probably not going to get seen by anyone important

[empty raft]

can someone explain something to me as im still newer to arms?

When you have 2 EP stacks during execute do you immidieatly send MS if up or buff with MP first?

[fresh spire]

honestly would be a good change, nerf it a little so its not so stupid powerful if it goes baseline, then make SOS interesting again instead

arms is at that point where WW just fits the Fury style where cleave fits arms

[steep osprey]

Why do they keep nerfing arms bleeds

it's ridiculous

[shadow ibex]

Bleed node needs to be 1 point

SkS needs redesign

Idk why artery cut got nerfed to 3 per stack. Not like it's at max value long since you send demo asap

[minor gust]

Give passive SS and revert SoS but make it cleave instead of WW. Big cleave on a CD. Can also buff DN to be good

[shadow ibex]

Bleeds are all fucked imo

[fresh spire]

I wouldn't mind SOS in its old form if it made cleave hit hard with long cd, but more of a unfucking aoe rotation so hard from one button doing all of its damage while not going into a new rage dump on ST. Same time 60 rage for a cleave is way to much

[minor gust]

Can make it 40 instead of 60

Would still be doubling the rage cost

[steep osprey]

SoS should be S3 arms tier set

[steep osprey]

Yeah it needs to be 1 point and 20% bleed damage

like Fury's is

No need to thank me

[shadow ibex]

I hate what cleave does to details

It's just aoe ms

[fresh spire]

we need better talents all round in middle if BB is gutted

[shadow ibex]

Rather it just be MS tbh

3 globals between

Idk but looking at details after first big pull in meadery

[minor gust]

We need a full ass overhaul to arms as a whole

[shadow ibex]

Just cleave gapping everything as col

[minor gust]

There's no saving this version

It's just a mess

[shadow ibex]

Mash whatever button

As long as cleave is on CD

[fresh spire]

i would love them to look more into passive 3 target sweep again capping it to exe/ms like old days while keeping cleave there as a baseline for when targets excede 5+ etc

[steep osprey]

Like we talked about, nerf One Against Many and maybe cleave a little bit and giga buff Demolish

there u go, fixed

where's dev

[fresh spire]

doesnt cover 200k ST dps

[steep osprey]

This isn't about ST

we're talking about cleave damage in aoe breakdown

ST is another story

Something else can be done for that

[fresh spire]

Demolish is still super good for aoe given how cleave/ms works for CM

just its lacks hard in st

[minor gust]

Can make it a talent choice with extended SS because would still like current SS being able to sweep everything including CS

[steep osprey]

Well, I think we should make CM give 4 stacks for MS while under 35%

they*

[shadow ibex]

I love cleave but hate my aoe being keep this on CD

Imagine if they never increased cd

[fresh spire]

something simular i think has been suggested to them

[steep osprey]

Yeah that's why s3 season arms set needs to come as a talent

[fresh spire]

extra<35

[steep osprey]

for a better breakdown

and incentivizing SD executes for aoe

instead of spamming Cleave

[shadow ibex]

One of our 90 seconds CDs needs to go imo

[minor gust]

It needs to be a talent but I guarantee Blizz will never give it to us because MTN thane exists

[steep osprey]

TR

TR

[minor gust]

Only MTN thane gets TC interactions. (Ignoring that arms also used TC)

[steep osprey]

and spear

need to go

thanks

[shadow ibex]

Spear is worse

[steep osprey]

both

https://tenor.com/view/both-agree-yes-good-gif-4591420

I honestly think we should only have BS

and Ravager for aoe as a cd

and Avatar/CS as our main cds

[minor gust]

Makes sense

[steep osprey]

that's it

fuck TR/Spear

bozo cds

bloated

I do wonder what we can put in their places

Definitely not more cds, something like a passive

[minor gust]

Passive gameplay talents

[steep osprey]

or an utility

[minor gust]

Make maldraxxus banner a perma passive

I want a banner on my back again

[smoky kayak]

the CDs themselves aren't the issue, the issue is that they're both very similar CDs and no matter which choice you make... you still have a CD

[shadow ibex]

Yea

Two 90 seconds. Spesr without a capstone is... weaker than a single MS

[severe haven]

Spear kinda goated for pvp tbh

[shadow ibex]

A 90 seconds CDs and it will hit softer than a MS

[steep osprey]

make it a pvp talent then

[shadow ibex]

Spears use in pvp is p nil cuz most classes can escape it

[smoky kayak]

way back in DF development, I suggested removing one and making it a passive, so you had the choice between two actives and one passive Roar, Avatar, and Passive CD

but even then, you're still left with two active CDs most of the time

[minor gust]

Fuck pvp just ruins the game because it has to be designed with pvp in mind

[shadow ibex]

And tr increase enemy DMG taken by 5%

[severe haven]

Honestly they should, make some of the talents baseline

[steep osprey]

How do you make Roar passive

you just randomly roar every few seconds?

[smoky kayak]

I didn't say you make roar passive

I said you replace one of them with a passive

[steep osprey]

oh okay

[severe haven]

I don't think they design much in mind with pvp lol it's an afterthought..it's moreso incompetence

[smoky kayak]

doesn't have to do the same thing, it can do whatever the hell you want it to

[shadow ibex]

Put df s3 where TR is

[steep osprey]

You could make arms s3 set in there

[shadow ibex]

All classes can use it

[steep osprey]

and have it be class wide

[shadow ibex]

Make tclap baseline

[steep osprey]

so it works for fury/prot too

[shadow ibex]

Idk why it isn't

[smoky kayak]

Fury can't use it, cause Fury doesn't use TClap outside of Thane

and shoehorning TClap into Slayer would be stupid

[shadow ibex]

Just give all warrior tclap

[fresh spire]

surely they could be nice and make SD apply bloodbath

[smoky kayak]

that would just homogenize Thane

[magic canopy]

i just want execute to be a good fury button again

[minor gust]

They clearly do. We lost spell reflect on intervene because of pvp

[smoky kayak]

the point is it doesn't matter what they put there, they could put anything there, or come up with something completely new

[magic canopy]

feels weird how little it does

[steep osprey]

Well, it would just cast a big TC, I'd say you can make the damage buff higher for fury than arms ebcause arms can apply rend

[fresh spire]

Tbf, for thane they could make it thunderblast instead 👀

[smoky kayak]

but like the choice between BL, Unhinged, and Juggernaut, when presented with the choice of 2/3 things, you're pretty much always going to have a standard 2 and 1 left out

[steep osprey]

Slayer it could pop a big Whirlwind

instead of TC

[fresh spire]

just dead for slayerfury

[severe haven]

Agree to disagree if it's one talent or two there so many other examples that indicate otherwise

[smoky kayak]

The Arms T3 bonus would be a fine addition, but it would go in the spec tree, not the class one

if anything, redesigning the class tree would probably involve reducing the amount of power in it, not increasing

[fresh spire]

nothing stopping them using it instead of CT and move the rage reduction to frothing

[smoky kayak]

Well there is