arms

[lean geode]

playing what I think is normally as a mostly-fury player*

With SkS it's usually not much of a problem

[shadow ibex]

sks needs to be hasted again

our version of onslaught

and not this poopoo bleed shit

[quaint otter]

sks needs to be removed again

😎

[shadow ibex]

just haste it again

make it give more rage or smth

something to spice up 3 button rotation of MS OP exe/slam

[lean geode]

Fury hasn't taken onslaught all expansion

[shadow ibex]

idc

its a hasted button that does something

good or not is just tuning

[quaint otter]

does what

[shadow ibex]

fuck if i know i dont play that shit

[quaint otter]

[quasi torrent]

ons doesn't do anything

[shadow ibex]

did they remove the reck proc from it

[quaint otter]

gives enrage and slaughtering strikes gamer button

basically bigger rb

[halcyon breach]

Yes, and it also just doesn't do good damage

(And the talent that procs Reck has been nerfed to 6% which is nothing)

Most of the capstones for Fury in general just stink quite badly

[boreal quartz]

thr reck thign was evil

but also s2 df fury goat current stank

wcyd

[dim basalt]

Seems to be a common thing among all war specs

[shadow ibex]

dance of death

[dim basalt]

[shadow ibex]

somehow instead of being removed from DF to TWW

was revamped

[dim basalt]

And is still dog

[shadow ibex]

someone had to justify their poisition

look i made a thing

good job jeff

[quasi torrent]

s2 df be like
If not in reck its not a spec

[boreal quartz]

yea

[teal fossil]

Hate being balanced around being in cds for 80% of the fight

[boreal quartz]

but it did play nicely in keys

fuckin cds every 30

crzay shit

[shadow ibex]

getting x2 recks off on a big pack

lmao

[golden magnet]

how is arms looking next patch compared to other classes? we at least gonna be B tier?

[minor gust]

B-

[rare kite]

i'm sitting on ptr and testing BL colossus st(in m+ build) and i'm like "ah my damage is not that bad" well some fucking augy was buffing me and i did not notice

[gilded stump]

Death to all Auggies falsifying Details and constantly being lowest DPS

[lethal vale]

Is their any hope that they will change the way demolish works by the end of this ptr cycle? Like there is no way a single warrior dev plays colossus because if they did they would realize how awful demolish feels

It wouldn't even matter to me if it was a lame ability it's jjust its actually a pretty cool ability and has so much potential

[rare kite]

doubt it

[lethal vale]

😦 guess its a slayer angle (resident sleeper)

[cunning jewel]

And what about slayer in ptr ?

[atomic sparrow]

Hello, I was checking wowhead guide for arms warrior and it seems a bit outdated. Where should I go for the guides?

[eager sigil]

its not outdated?

[snow flame]

what about it seems outdated to you

[quaint otter]

[atomic sparrow]

The single target doesnt include the demolish, do I just place it after mortal strike, or just ignore it in the opener?

[quaint otter]

what about u looking a slayer opener...

[thick kelp]

THere ugo

[atomic sparrow]

Ty!

[brittle fiber]

How come we dont ms before bs out of curiosity

[thick kelp]

You can do that

I do that

[snow flame]

Well bladestorm cast Ms itself

From unhinged

So there’s really no need to delay your rotation I think

[swift crown]

The upside would be MS CD rolling during BS

[minor gust]

if playing warlords torment and FF and BF def just BS as soon as you can so you can have reck for the big MS after BS

[snow flame]

Yeah but then you are behind

[quasi torrent]

saying this like MS does anything

[swift crown]

I'm just explaining why it's a valid question bozo

[quasi torrent]

wtf rude

[swift crown]

I will do it again

Bozo

[quasi torrent]

....

sad...

[thick kelp]

In the end

the order u press ur buttons

doesnt matter that much in opener

on this spec

[quasi torrent]

noted i will press slam x 7

[thick kelp]

o7

[brittle fiber]

season 2 rotation: HL > MS > BS > MS > Ava > SKS > TR > MS > Rend > CS > slam till energy depletes

[quaint otter]

Energy

[fresh spire]

Don't think you guys realise just how strong bs is in slayer after taking a 15+20%flat ms buff

Unhinged is 11% if your overall on a 5 min in slayer

[naive sage]

I’d say finally

[snow flame]

Ok I’ll press roar into cs into bladestorm into avatar

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/780377679227650079/1143175175391674418/Viberge.gif

[fresh spire]

Well. Bladestorm is still kinda bruh

Could use buffing bladestorm for aoe while nuking unhinged enough it's a 0 loss for st

[weak wave]

Do we still choose the +speed gem over the crit dmg gem?

[stone marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/wat-wut-what-lolwut-gif-4850067

[weak wave]

More speed =faster with running, faster back in Melee range

[stone marsh]

Galaxy brain play

I play Dracthyr for the extra movement with double jump

Best racial

You can negate so many mechanics by changing the momentum of your movement mid air

Or just extra movement

[last inlet]

been debateing on doing this.

[stone marsh]

Now that you don't need to be in lizard form it's a no brainer for me

[last inlet]

shweet

[shadow ibex]

Nerf unhinged

[quasi torrent]

warrior is now the worst class

[candid pecan]

https://tenor.com/view/lock-in-cat-locks-in-locked-in-cat-calico-cat-locked-in-gif-15260593852429593904

is it? is it the worst class?

[shadow ibex]

Buff other thing

That isn't a button doing 11%

[steep osprey]

Could make Unhinged MS hit at a reduced effectiveness and buff BS

[shadow ibex]

It's tacky but you could

Baseline BS should do more

At this point unhinged can go cuz balancing it is gonna be a mess unless you do something stupid like reduce DMG of the casts

I think if you have to do that it's just dumb and gamey

[brittle fiber]

this............isn't a bad strat tbh

when's next blizzard sale

[onyx rapids]

hello mates
not sure of you guys already answered this question. if so, my bad
it seems like arms is in a better spot compared to fury, so was wondering if its time to change to arms for season2
Do you guys agree? feedback is always welcome

[snow flame]

I mean currently I'd say arms is in a pretty good spot dps wise although we won't know 100% until the raid week comes out

[untold trench]

Arms usually bring more boss DPS, still - Fury often just stays more popular to play either way

[stone marsh]

I leveled up one, took me one afternoon from 20 to max

And then 1 extra day to gear up for 10s

[brittle fiber]

Yea i know but i cant be assed levelling and gearing another plus had my warrior since legion

[stone marsh]

Got it

But yeah honestly I'm really digging Dracthyr warrior

Plus they look really cool. I always liked the "dragon knight" aesthetic

[shadow ibex]

The dragon form is God awful in plate

Like actual crime against humanity

My war is dragon on ptr cuz I was curious

[stone marsh]

That form cannot be called a dragon

[shadow ibex]

you only have like a belt right

[slow saddle]

Shoulder

[shadow ibex]

losing demo stacks from exe really sucks

[slow saddle]

+belt

[shadow ibex]

colossus ST is almost fun in exe

but no rage and less CDR on demo

CS reck would help

almost plays like SL s2 arms

[vale gorge]

Blizzard, can we have the MS's buff after EXEC on the character instead of on the target ? Thanks.

[steep osprey]

They should double stacks on ms in execute

[slow saddle]

1 stack per ep?

[tacit crystal]

for demolish not ep

[slow saddle]

Well yes

But 1 demo stack per ep when sendinh ms?

That way both execute and ms has value

[candid pecan]

was expecting blizzard to have execute crits give 2 colossal might stacks, instead it got removed

[lethal vale]

Yeeah, I mean demolish already feels awful to use. It's like they don't want ppl to play colossus

[weak dove]

https://tenor.com/view/terrorblade-dota2-gif-20585292

[stone marsh]

I'm a slayer enjoyer

[cosmic fossil]

[lethal vale]

It's not that slayer feels bad to play to me, it's just a little boring is all

[jade cargo]

@halcyon breach@visual fern - what happened with my channel

looks deadge

[halcyon breach]

Arms died

[jade cargo]

rip

[magic canopy]

It'll be live soon enough

Arms teir

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148898695696482305/1304357622866247772/Banezi_chomp.gif

[rare kite]

[untold trench]

I wish and hope raid is arms tier

Maybe fury wont be nerfed to the ground again, cause of it

[rare kite]

juggernaut sd rng...

[untold trench]

That RNG should be quite close to always up, if no downtime, no?

hm, cant find it, tihievilgrin.gif

[rare kite]

nah you drop it sometimes, just better hope you don't drop it right before execute phase

[gaunt owl]

Arms tier by default

here we go

[icy mulch]

I've been dusting off Arms. It's just so annoying that cool downs are all over the place.

[untold trench]

Counterpoint:
Git gud

[rare kite]

ur mom

[untold trench]

no u

[icy mulch]

Get rid of Jug, just make execute super strong again!

Without having to play another mini game within the game.

[steep osprey]

I didn’t think you could stoop so low

[steep osprey]

Agree, also bring back DF s3 tier

[rare kite]

this is the arms channel after all, seemed appropriate

[fresh spire]

[steep osprey]

What’s your pfp from btw

[fresh spire]

blackbeard from op

[steep osprey]

Oh okay

[magic canopy]

Zee ha ha

[fresh spire]

[quaint otter]

NOW

https://tenor.com/view/ltg-low-tier-god-eijivision-gif-6073182353830757804

Colossus talent

[lethal vale]

I've heard that arms for m+ and fury for raid, not positive though

[untold trench]

The dream

[lyric ermine]

Are we winning 11.1 guyz ?

[rare kite]

we are not

[dusty dagger]

back to the gym until 11.2

[steep osprey]

Are ya winning, son?

[lyric ermine]

Annw

[rare kite]

yes, i am eating lasagna

[lyric ermine]

Guess im gonna watch a weirdo with pink hair killing ragnaros hc until 11.2

[steep osprey]

[steep osprey]

I watched the entire raid

[lyric ermine]

Twitch was corrupted for 1 night

200k + viewer for a 10k max xpac

[steep osprey]

It was a great stream

Some deaths were unfortunate

[lyric ermine]

Maybe dev team hotfixing 11.1 while watching hc classic

The gentle tap of balacing bm tierset tho :icant:

[proper iron]

When did Siege of boralus spawn extra tentacles?

[shadow ibex]

in bfa iirc you could get a few demos if you were slow

[icy mulch]

Oof, can't imagine that was very entertaining. Minus the deaths of course.

[rare kite]

correct

[shadow ibex]

[icy mulch]

That was the dps race of the fight.

[lean geode]

W

[minor gust]

Do you hate Mondays as well?

[rare kite]

yes

[minor gust]

Mutou confirmed to be an orange cat

[rare kite]

real, love garfield

[lethal vale]

Does the colossus size increase stack with other size buffs?

[minor gust]

yes

thanks for reminding me thats the real buff colossus needs. Size increase should be something noticeable like 50% tyvm blizzard

5% size increase aint worth the boring ass shit its tied with vers but not actually vers

[fading vine]

Was there a consensus on skipper vs windsinger?

[lethal vale]

lmao have taurens the size of raid bosses

[minor gust]

[quaint otter]

rework talent into increases champ size by 15% and increase weapon size by 50%

so we have THE COLOSSUS

[minor gust]

Big hammer for big bonk

[quasi torrent]

bb

[lethal vale]

Idk personally I find being too big a little annoying, it's why I swapped off tauren it's sometimes hard to see whats happening past your huge ass body

plus some cramped dungeons

Though it would be nice for the tinier races like dwarves and such

the big races that size increase would kinda be annoying (to me at least)

[minor gust]

to tell the truth the size part is just bait. What I really want changed is why the fuck is one of our hero talent nodes versatillity

[lethal vale]

Lol I have more of a problem with the shockwave node

like fuck shockwave

[minor gust]

huh?

[lethal vale]

For colossus hero talent

[minor gust]

every hero tree has defensive and utillity nodes

im more calling out how boring and lazy the vers size node is.

I rather have something else there

[lethal vale]

Ah... yea its kinda lazy but id prefer lazy over useless lol

[minor gust]

brother thats not useless shockwave especially the knock up owns in M+

we fought for so long to be able to even take shockwave

[sacred zodiac]

most hero talent trees have these "lazy" nodes no?

[minor gust]

surprisingly not. Theres not that many here flat % dmg on an abillity nodes

most of the flat %dmg increas you see is usually also acompanied by some sort of effect or benefit

[untold trench]

I don't mind them too much when they are significantly improving the ability. 5%? I sleep.
100%? Now we talking numbers

[minor gust]

for example

[untold trench]

Sleep 😴

[minor gust]

yes its just a flat 5% dmg but your also getting something useful

[untold trench]

Make it 50%, and my neurons will react a bit

[minor gust]

after going through them all yeah the only hero trees I can find that have a shit here x more dmg on this is DH, 3/4 Druid and like one of the evoker and priest hero trees

and warrior ofc

[sacred zodiac]

all 3 rogue trees have vague "x does % more x"

cba looking at more

[minor gust]

ok I missed deathstalker yeah they have one but the other 2 dont have just x does % more x

[shadow ibex]

we get 10% crit dam thats pretty cool

a lot have it on specific abilities or dmg types

now if it was chance and dam

[minor gust]

usually they are followed up by something else

just maybe instead of aura buffing us take some of that power and add it to these hero nodes that are boring af

just like they did in the talent tree with all the stat node gates

[shadow ibex]

they could put some dmg into precise might. kinda bare for a node all it does is grant 1 more stack on MS crits

and artery cut needs to go

[cosmic fossil]

[minor gust]

[chrome kernel]

Those warrior buffs look nice

[nova marsh]

What warrior buffs

[static grove]

Did the arms buffs get reverted? Trying to follow along on tww updates channel but can’t decipher what’s been crossed out and not etc

[chrome kernel]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/patch-11-1-ptr-development-notes-for-january-28th-class-tuning-368245

[lean geode]

They got reverted and then un-reverted (they were probably only reverted so that they could be added alongside the other class tuning all at once)

[static grove]

Unreverted meaning they are in place currently on ptr - that’s exciting

[lean geode]

Correct

[teal fossil]

It’s not necessarily a bad thing

Now you can have hero talent specific aura buffs

A lot have it slightly more hidden

[minor gust]

not really a reason to have them tho theres plenty of way to buff a specific hero tree without having a 5% vers node

[teal fossil]

I know mage and priest have it more hidden

I think it’s fine tbh

Not every hero talent is a banger

You can probably condense a hero talent tree into 3

But it’s gotta be 10 for “leveling experience”

[minor gust]

yeah at the end of the day its not a big deal is what it is. Im just on my hate playing arc that fatality change is really fucking depressing if it makes it into live

[rare kite]

That and the colossus execute nerf with no compensation

[minor gust]

im still coping for that compensation to come before release

but I have no hope they fix fatality

[rare kite]

Is fatality affected by demolish as well? I know the other things

[minor gust]

everything I believe

[slow saddle]

What fatality change?

[magic canopy]

it actually works with CDs instead of only scaling with STR

so you can actually pop avatar and CS and increase its damage

but thats also bad becuase now you have to play around it if you use it on a long enough fight

[slow saddle]

Dear god i hope its not mandatory

[magic canopy]

it will be on certain fights

[slow saddle]

U cant have both execute and unhinged then

[magic canopy]

huh?

[slow saddle]

We playin no rav then?

[magic canopy]

whachu mean

[slow saddle]

Mainly wondering how ww gonna talent

[slow saddle]

But ye means either holding cds or praying for timinga

Tbh though at least we have short cds

Id prefer just lit up at 35% and we could. Hitnthw button for it to proc

The fact that we have to managed that much isndumv

[untold trench]

Oh, that gameplay is back again. It will be alright if it is tuned for not proccing with CDs, but if you get it to proc with - it really pops off!

[slow saddle]

Or hear me out.. let slam proc it sub 35

[minor gust]

I cant wait to stop pressing execute to line cds up with fatality

what great gameplay

[untold trench]

And then that execute gets parried

[minor gust]

completely agree if this stays fatality needs to be its own button which also means 1 more keybind

[brittle fiber]

Wonder if 1.5 min cd trinket isnt gonna be the play if we’re running fatality

Hell naw im waiting 45 seconds to use my trinket on fatality

[slow saddle]

Which is np if i click it once

[minor gust]

Ctrl D it is

[brittle fiber]

isnt sks going next season anyways?

surely just replace sks hotkey with fatality

[minor gust]

So true and real Coatsman

[brittle fiber]

Thanks CSM

[latent moss]

bad cause it will be tuned around it

but then again fatality isnt that big

[latent moss]

i mean even if it wasnt tuned around it its still bad

prob not worth holding cds for it

[astral yarrow]

Us not playing any points in Deft is the real atrocity

[latent moss]

facts

[thick kelp]

Play colossus and u can put 1 point into deft

to not feel bad

[astral yarrow]

But then i'd do zdps

[thick kelp]

Price to play

[minor gust]

fatality with cds bad wether we play around or not

[thick kelp]

for having a functioning spec

[minor gust]

[astral yarrow]

demolish getting 50% buff thursday trust

[thick kelp]

colossus only 5% behind after this one

[astral yarrow]

[fresh spire]

Needs like a 90% buff to cover the damage difference between col and slayer.

[astral yarrow]

Hero spec balanced around damage amp mechanics

[quaint otter]

Demolish debuff increases damage taken by 200% if applied to only 1 target

[minor gust]

for the whole raid

[somber dome]

why are warriors getting these giga buffs?

after being shit on for so long

[thick kelp]

Should be asking when

not why

[wind vault]

Do we have Sims link for Season 2?

[quaint otter]

Jeez man season 2 not even started

Season 1 still not over

[wind vault]

Got bored of S1 already .. just asking 🤗

[thick kelp]

what kind of link

[quaint otter]

Me too

[thick kelp]

are u looking for

[quaint otter]

S1 is shit get me out pls

[wind vault]

Sims with trinkets for single and multitarget

[thick kelp]

Smth like this

The card one is great too in aoe

Also be mentally prepared to farm delve trinkets

and pray for them to drop in vaults

[quaint otter]

Vault is my weakest spot

3x cloak true story

[rare kite]

[slow saddle]

Bait so we get happy then nerfs

[misty bridge]

how far is Colossus currently behind slayer?

[thick kelp]

3% in St

it will be further behind in s2

[slow saddle]

And more volatile

For the love of jesus make demos first swing be cs

That ofsync with cs is so annoying

[dim basalt]

🙏

[slow saddle]

Prob to op, but would make demo feel so good

Even get hasted after cast

[remote ledge]

Slayer arms s2 m+??

[slow saddle]

Well doubt it

But u can ?

Slayer arms atm is not bad at all

[thick kelp]

Could see play

[candid pecan]

oh no, okay NOTED, will do 8 delves Week 1

[candid pecan]

what are the delve trinkets called?

[remote ledge]

From ptr feedbacks I see more and more arms propaganda

[quaint otter]

30*

[raw kayak]

delves are a scam invented by big blizz to get u to log in more dont believe them

[thick kelp]

Mostly suspicious energy drink and Funhouse Lens

[wind vault]

Where is that screen from?

[candid pecan]

ty, the lens looks OP

[thick kelp]

My own sim

<@&257983573498265600>

[snow flame]

where does improvisd drop from again?

[thick kelp]

m+

from floodgate

[snow flame]

ah that's right forgot what it does I'll have to wowhead it

[thick kelp]

Crits

and explosions

[thick kelp]

https://www.wowhead.com/ptr-2/item=232541/improvised-seaforium-pacemaker

[snow flame]

got it

yeah that does look good for arms

[thick kelp]

Alternatively you can run reverb radio + kezan

if u dont proc from m+ vault

[snow flame]

what's the dps increase behind kezan?

[thick kelp]

First non kezan trinket combos start at -1.5%

[snow flame]

oh so it's pretty beefy then

[thick kelp]

Yeah

But its a 5min sim

so it lets kezan's ramp

for good amount of time

Its still very good in shorter 3min sims but it starts to even out with other non kezan setups

[snow flame]

yeah that makes sense

[thick kelp]

But this energy drink trinket from delves at 6/6 hero track is simming very very well

So running 8 delves a week for a chance at that from vault

is a very real thing

Unless it gets nerfed

bis bis trinkets its gonna be energy drink + kezans for now

[candid pecan]

stand in fire (drop below 35%) dps higher

[snow flame]

I haven't looked at any delve trinkets

[thick kelp]

Its simming without the 35% part even

so it can be better than that

xdd

[snow flame]

yeah on prog you don't wanna stay below 35 percet

you'll die so quick

[candid pecan]

okay then, I will do 8 delves 1st week> it will drop in vault > happy > gets nerfed >

[snow flame]

yeah typically they don't let stuff like that stay op

[barren goblet]

whats stat prio chat

[thick kelp]

Little bit of this and that

[barren goblet]

holy

[candid pecan]

sim with raidbots > listen to bot > trust bot

[barren goblet]

without simming

[quaint otter]

If colo more crit
If slayer more haste

[barren goblet]

i am low gear

[thick kelp]

crit hast

e

[quaint otter]

Then get high gear

[barren goblet]

so a lil mix and match

alright

[thick kelp]

Just equip

highets ilvl

👍

[barren goblet]

yeh i just gotta buy some off auction house

[quaint otter]

No

Go siren isle

Vendor will drop u 584 every slot

[barren goblet]

holy

fr?

[thick kelp]

Siren isle is 15mins for full 590 + 658 ring + 4pc

U can catalyst the vendore 584 items

[barren goblet]

where is siren isle

[thick kelp]

do the intro quest

[barren goblet]

alright

[quaint otter]

There is npc with quest in dornogal castle

[severe haven]

huh...in the ptr execute has some blood effect added to it

and the sweeping strike animation is fixed but only for execute

[radiant cape]

Praying for arms tier next season 😦

[ebon fern]

Man, aside ravager i do miss df arms warrior

[wind vault]

How to SIM ptr stuff?

[ebon fern]

I think it was just more fun

[quasi torrent]

mimiron.raidbots

[thick kelp]

go to mimiron and start typing

[dim basalt]

[ebon fern]

Df arms with ravager + hero talents would have been pretty awesome

[minor gust]

rip storm of swords

will forever be missed

gone too soon

[fresh spire]

gutted and buried

[snow flame]

that's just the Stockholm syndrome talking

Using ip for rage was cringe

[ebon fern]

i didn't play tom

[snow flame]

Arms better than unholy in uncapped aoe on ptr confirmed

[thick kelp]

I fear of the Petko affix here

[snow flame]

What's the petko affix

[thick kelp]

Any spec piloted by him does -5% damage by default

the % scales by how far off the playstyle is from elemental

[snow flame]

well good thing he's playing unholy

idk how good this arms player is

[thick kelp]

idk but his name is xaxaxa

[snow flame]

was mostly just memeing for fun

[snow flame]

must be an EU gamer

idk anyone who spells hahaha like this guy

[thick kelp]

Yeah russian

[snow flame]

I mean still tho arms do be crankin

I did a few keys on ptr myself with an enhancement and I was able to stay pretty close in overall

[dim basalt]

If only arms would become meta

[thick kelp]

Arms aoe definetly great

[dim basalt]

Planning on pushing really high keys next season and Id love to stay arms

[thick kelp]

but ST is still a great struggle

[snow flame]

I mean it is looking like meta on ptr atm

[thick kelp]

in a dungeon build

[dim basalt]

Wot?

No way it can compete with a really good enh

[snow flame]

yeah true but I think it shoudl be more than fine

[snow flame]

I mean it can get pretty close

[dim basalt]

S2 tier makes ST a bit better imo

More consistent

[thick kelp]

Also PTR is a bad place for real comparisons

either your team has 180 ping or is bad

no between

[snow flame]

yeah but for now it's all I really got lol

[thick kelp]

same

[dim basalt]

A higher ping is not gonna stop someone from doing good damage tho

[snow flame]

but even if you put the best enhancement and arms side by side the damage in keys will be pretty close

[thick kelp]

most certainly will stop

especially casters

[snow flame]

it's just shaman's funnel is really good

but overall will be pretty close

[thick kelp]

idk I think enha is still

miles ahead

[dim basalt]

Buff Demolish main target damage

[thick kelp]

of every other melee

[snow flame]

I guess it depends what you are looking at

[dim basalt]

Also the CD playstyle is still ass

[thick kelp]

Watching Zorthas, he just astro gaps anyone when he is on enha

[snow flame]

for example if you look at live rn boomkins and rogues are able to compete with enahcenment in overall dps

but overall isn't everything

also doesnt help enhacenment gets pi all the time

[snow flame]

Here is a +20 necrotic wake overall

just as an example of what I mean

[thick kelp]

Yuh

[snow flame]

but shaman def does need some kind of nerf

[tacit crystal]

eurosant was owning

GUYS NO SPYMA AUG BIS

[snow flame]

aug is op on ptr rn

[tacit crystal]

now?

[snow flame]

their damage is dumb asf

[tacit crystal]

always has

[snow flame]

yeah but it's even better on ptr

[tacit crystal]

aug has 90% em uptime

infinite eruption

so their personal damage is through the roof

[naive sage]

[tacit crystal]

aug is fun

[ebon fern]

Is it?

[snow flame]

[ebon fern]

My idea of augmentation would have been a draconic melee magician

dps spec

[tacit crystal]

🙂

[ebon fern]

Kinda like enhance, but more battlemage inspired

Honestly, i think this idea of support is just kinda dumb

[dim basalt]

But is totemic (which seems to be meta next season) even that good at funneling?

[daring heron]

shaman is fine bro

enha gapped me harder than i gapped the tank on ptr

[icy mulch]

Yet the Shaman are crying if they get a tiny nerf.

[snow flame]

Guess I should make a shaman alt

[icy mulch]

Just like Ret paladins crying about a tiny nerf.

[snow flame]

Crazy how they get to dominate raid and m+ but we can’t

[icy mulch]

"Waaaaaaa, my passive damage is getting nerfed! Why we so mid!" - average Ret Paladin.

[tacit crystal]

@daring heron thanks for the video today ty 🙂

[icy mulch]

Totemic shaman are no better. Stupid totem proc doing 43% of its damage in a Ara 10.

[daring heron]

[tacit crystal]

im going to make the ff7 playlist today

so i can start watching while i do low keys on my shaman

[daring heron]

I do all the side stuff so can safely skip that since it's pretty grindy

the optional combat challenges were giga fun for me tho

[misty bridge]

Petko was malding about fury Target cap earlier as well

[minor gust]

One of us

[ebon fern]

You should have made a sham alt long ago, one of the most fun classes in the game

[snow flame]

@daring heron since you did fury you should do a video talking about how bad arms feels to play

[daring heron]

I was planning a similar one for arms yes

[snow flame]

[fresh spire]

Rebirth was pretty good

[weak dove]

me, unsure when FotE finished channelling so i was stood still like a lemon for a GCD

[daring heron]

yeeeee

[fresh spire]

||I felt the ancients temple was long and tedious but enjoyed the rest||

[daring heron]

main story good, open world side stuff meh, combat challenges fun

[daring heron]

i still liked that part

[weak dove]

@dim basalt also hard to help random spikes for 300+ ping, and accidently screwing the rotation up, it doesnt help at all lol

[fresh spire]

It was alright, just compared to the first game felt sooooo long

junon likely was my fave part with how they done it up

so stupid but good

[snow flame]

They need to bring back blitz ball

And remaster FF X

[tacit crystal]

remaster deez

[icy mulch]

Bring back FF X so I can get back into my goth mommy Lulu again? Heh

[fresh spire]

they did remaster it recently didnt they?

like few years ago

HD

[tacit crystal]

guys despair

i cant find a vod of the first time he played ff7

[snow flame]

Not a real remaster

[summer elbow]

hi

[tacit crystal]

hi help me find critcake playing ff7 for the first time

[summer elbow]

someone has the link from bluepost with the changes to the classes ? thanks

[snow flame]

Just check the channel above this one for the changes

[brittle fiber]

https://letmegooglethat.com/?q=wow+season+2+ptr+clas+changes

[summer elbow]

ye but i would like to see the others classes changes too.. thanks

thanks

[tacit crystal]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/patch-11-1-ptr-development-notes-for-january-28th-class-tuning-368245?utm_source=discord-webhook

[summer elbow]

❤️

[lethal vale]

Is it an arms problem or colossus problem? Or both?

[tacit crystal]

arms

[snow flame]

arms has many deep rooted issues

[tacit crystal]

sucks balls

[vast tinsel]

Make the bleeds actually do damage

[lethal vale]

Like what? I know cds don’t always line up properly, and my biggest gripe is sweeping still being a gcd for some reason… I know this might be op, but I think if demolish itself applied colossus smash, (they could make bladestorm give it for slayer) it might feel a little less weird with cooldowns

[olive nest]

I’d be alright with bleeds being on top and then MS/execute hit like a truck <35%

Could be good could also be really stale

[teal fossil]

you dont want that

[lethal vale]

Don’t want what?

[empty raft]

famous line

you think you do

but you dont

[teal fossil]

having demolish giving free smash

#1: that gives way too much uptime on our 30% damage amp

#2: you'll just be balanced around it

if your demolish is always 30% stronger then the baseline demolish will be nerfed as a result

[lethal vale]

It wouldn’t be for the full duration, maybe a shortened duration like a few seconds or something

[teal fossil]

CS is 10 seconds

even 2 seconds is 20% more

[teal fossil]

also this

you know how eye beam on DH always crits

thats not a buff

that just makes crit worse for them

because its balanced around having 100% crit

this is similar

[lethal vale]

I mean, sure it will be balanced around the higher uptime but it would feel better when they don’t line up. I mean I hear this argument for a lot of changes, what’s your idea then to fix arms?

[teal fossil]

remove all the random CDR we have in our kit

make the abilities stronger individually

both slayer and colossus just has random CDR thrown in

[lethal vale]

Then we can’t use the abilities as often… I mean maybe if they just reduced colossal smash and demolish cd to just be 30 seconds so everything lines up nicely it would be ok… or make it where colossal smash gets the same cdr reductions demolish gets

[empty raft]

am i the only one that hates Dominance of the Colossus

[olive nest]

I really enjoy our CS being an impactful damage window

It feels good the way it is

I hope they bring back sks hitting hard

Sweep > cs > sks was pretty satisfying

[teal fossil]

well optimally yes you want smash to get the smae CDR

but they are fundamentally different

demolish CDR comes from crit more

while AM is mainly from haste

[icy mulch]

I think this is part of why Arms feels so clunky. With all the various CDR, it's way too much gamba on aligning cool downs for big dam.

[lethal vale]

Yeah, honestly if they made the cooldown both come from crit I think it would fix some things… also god please make sweeping strikes not take a gcd it’s my least favorite thing about arms

[empty raft]

vouch

[lethal vale]

It just feels like such a crappy button to press

[icy mulch]

That to, just so annoying to waste a gcd to do 2 target cleave.

[dim basalt]

Isnt it just half a gcd

[lethal vale]

Yes, but it still kind of messes up the flow to me.

[dim basalt]

Yeah its bad

But CD is even worse honestly

Waiting like 8 seconds to finally press cds in higher M+ keys

[icy mulch]

It still has the issue of getting denied cause another attack is qued.

[boreal quartz]

Do ur Inputs right idk

[olive nest]

Take SS off gcd!!

[teal fossil]

i probably wouldnt want that

for the crit cdr, way too much variance

but yeah sweeping gcd is bad

i think crit giving more might stacks is good

just not when the overflows into cd

cdr

[icy mulch]

Let's hope they revert the execute Colossus might interaction.

[olive nest]

What’d I miss?

[thick kelp]

Execute no longer grants colossal might stacks

[olive nest]

Blizz pls

[empty raft]

lmao

[teal fossil]

unironically this

buffing something will always result in nerfs somewhere else

[empty raft]

Thats why talking about numbers is aways just zz to me imo. Much rather have a complete class and something that makes sense as a whole

[teal fossil]

yea

people focus too much on raw number

when your breakdowns are more important

if a spec doesnt change the damage breakdown will be the same from DF to TWW

[thick kelp]

Ignore the name its actually colossus 5targets

[teal fossil]

thats a good breakdown

[thick kelp]

no

its not a good breakdown

[empty raft]

LMAO

[teal fossil]

its a good breakdown

that means my rotation doesnt matter

as long as i MS on cd

*cleave

[steep osprey]

Real

[icy mulch]

Sad part is Shaman and Ret paladin are worse.

[thick kelp]

??

[steep osprey]

But buff Demolish please

[thick kelp]

Shaman is balanced breakdown

and so is ret

compared to this

[steep osprey]

Yeah

[teal fossil]

all of rets button feel samey

[empty raft]

I Thought Ret had a more balanced breakdown

[steep osprey]

Walhe is right

[empty raft]

unironically

[icy mulch]

Go look at a Totemic enhance shaman. 43% of their output in a 10 key was a pet proc.

[steep osprey]

So what? It’s still balanced

[thick kelp]

Yeah but totemic damage comes from using your other spells

this is just

only cleave

47%

[steep osprey]

Yeah, exactly

You use lava lash with hot hands to proc sundering and then pop totem

It’s pretty good interaction

[icy mulch]

I guess, but you could say the same about Arms cleave. It's all the other buttons that make it so unbalanced in output.

[thick kelp]

Cleave is legit just backed by passive damage amps

[steep osprey]

So what you’re saying is nerf Cleave

[thick kelp]

in the tree

[steep osprey]

[thick kelp]

nothing you press amps cleave outside of your CDS

[teal fossil]

hey but cleave has 2 spell ids

so you gotta break that down

xd

[steep osprey]

Nerf cleave

Simple

[teal fossil]

make it 3s cd like in beta

[thick kelp]

Make it 8seconds

[steep osprey]

Or nerf the colossus talent that giga buffs cleave

[icy mulch]

OP, CS, Ravager, avatar, I guess they're all cool downs in a way. Avatar and Ravager for sure.

[thick kelp]

and make it hit hard

[steep osprey]

Then buff demolish

[minor gust]

Even better remove CD off cleave

It's time for only cleave

[thick kelp]

we already have that

exhil + blade masters

[minor gust]

Thats Walmart level of no CD cleave

[icy mulch]

Still don't understand why they put cool downs on MS and cleave. We wouldn't have enough rage to just hard spam em.

[steep osprey]

That’s cringe

Rather it have a cd

[silk spade]

ye that sounds horrible

[teal fossil]

we kinda do

lol

especially if you really wanna talent for it

[steep osprey]

With no cd, ms wouldn’t have a reset

[olive nest]

God please never remove ability cooldowns and force me to control my insane button mashing

[steep osprey]

Or something like that

And it wouldn’t feel as good

To just spam it

It’s better to just have it come by less frequently than slam

[thick kelp]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/148898720803586048/1075592481665716265/arms_rotation.gif

[minor gust]

You would have to completely redesign arms to have a no CD ms

[icy mulch]

I'd rather dump a ton of rage spamming MS or Cleave during CS windows. Would be better than weaving OP all the time.

[steep osprey]

Yeah you wouldn’t have this dopamine rush

[icy mulch]

But they want us to weave it. C.c

[steep osprey]

Because of no cd

[teal fossil]

tbf that doesnt matter anymore

we dont got tom

[icy mulch]

Yeah, but I guess it's more missing the Cata/Legion playstyle of CS.

[olive nest]

Honestly just get rid of this damage amp design philosophy

I do not need to buff MS with 6 modifiers

[teal fossil]

can you still play wrather classic rn

or no

[olive nest]

It’s just ass

[teal fossil]

or like the older wow classics

or can you only play vanilla and cata rn

[minor gust]

500k MS or 5 million MS it's the only way

[thick kelp]

Fatality 9million or 31million its the only way

[icy mulch]

There are certainly way too many modifiers for boosting attacks.

[teal fossil]

i remember when people wanted that

it was end of shadowlands or early DF

[olive nest]

Again fatality

[teal fossil]

i think it was early DF

[minor gust]

[teal fossil]

people wanted more modifiers for MS to fill the arms fantasy

"setting up for a big attack"

[boreal quartz]

People are braindead then

[olive nest]

Ehh as much as FR would be fun due to it creating large MS hits I feel like we just need big hitting MS/exe baseline and they need to ditch modifiers

Make op and slam hit harder baseline

[naive sage]

Simple fix
Juggernaut but for mortal strike
“Mortal strike increases the damage of mortal strike by 5% for 9 secs, stacking up to 10 times”

[thick kelp]

horror

[minor gust]

[olive nest]

Make rend and deep wounds hit harder

[naive sage]

It would be good with existing reset talents

[minor gust]

Sir another Juggernaut has struck arms design

[olive nest]

Like the spec is there just ditch modifiers

Make CS window last longer too if we’re ditching Ms modifiers

[minor gust]

Want longer cs windows just use spiteful serenity

[olive nest]

Ehhhhh

AM baseline then

Can’t live without AM

[brittle fiber]

Me want cata heroic strike

[olive nest]

Imagine vanilla qued modifier for next auto attack

[minor gust]

Parried

[brittle fiber]

Skyhold more like doomerhold

Maybe i gear up my mage

[icy mulch]

That talent is so ass.

[olive nest]

Mage is great you don’t have to be even reasonably good at it

[brittle fiber]

I just hate range casters and i saw frost is top damage in ptr at the moment

[olive nest]

Just instant invite to everything

[brittle fiber]

But yea

[vapid pine]

As if mages don't doom lmao, they're dooming while being the best class in the game

[shadow ibex]

Jugg needs to go bad

[steep osprey]

So true

[olive nest]

Damn off topic, killed queen last Wednesday and 1/4 of the team broke off to start their own guild

Rip possible reclear

[shadow ibex]

Ouch

[olive nest]

[shadow ibex]

Spec is cooked in m+

Literally pressing 1 button cleave

And fill globals with X while waiting for cleave CD

Details is horror

[icy mulch]

I mean, she's not wrong.

[vapid pine]

Meanwhile:

[empty raft]

its 2025 no one researches before speaking anymore !

[olive nest]

Oh look! Mage!!

[vapid pine]

Neither did I, everyone's playing Frost, but what I wouldn't give to have a spec on that DPS side from my class...

[icy mulch]

That doesn't really tell us much. The 3rd dps spot in the meta was always a choice of like 3 or 4 options.
Dk, Mage, Druid, Rogue, Ret paladin. Just depends on what the dungeon might require.

[empty raft]

Obviously everyone wants their class to perform.

[icy mulch]

Fury got trashed due to raid.

Ppl cried cause it stole their pad.

[olive nest]

I don’t understand how every spec in the game isn’t within like 2-3% of each other

Just do tuning blizzard

[icy mulch]

Partly it's cause they removed hybrid tax, and left target caps all over the place for various classes.

[vapid pine]

tbh they probably are in raid, which is the only thing blizzard tunes for

[teal fossil]

they are on ST

[olive nest]

Ye in raid st for sure

[teal fossil]

but damage profile is real

look at fury

[vapid pine]

If damage profile was the only thing differentiating specs it would be fine tbh, problem is some specs do 2x the damage of others, unlucky

In keys*

[minor gust]

I've reached a new level of grief with this fatality change. If this change goes to live we'll be one step closer to Blizzard realizing this spec is dog shit, and needs to be burned to the ground.

[teal fossil]

well doing uncapped aoe is a damage profile

[teal fossil]

thats good

[minor gust]

Yes I welcome this change now keep making this spec more dogshit

Acceptance

[icy mulch]

Or....

They just fix it so it doesn't have to continue to be dog shit anymore.

[minor gust]

No things need to get worse so they can get better trust

[icy mulch]

They're already dog shit.
Hell Paladin wasn't even bad before its massive overhaul in Dragonflight.

[minor gust]

Ret was the biggest meme for the longest time.

[icy mulch]

Most of Shadowlands it was good.

[ebon fern]

Honestly, i really really liked sepulcher ret

[minor gust]

It was still a meme spec that very little played

[lethal vale]

It’s crazy but I like the way arms plays more than fury, fury is so boring to me

It has like 4 buttons

[empty raft]

Saying anything good about Arms is prohibited here

[fresh spire]

Class trees was a mistake :caught: revert to 7 tier 3 choice setup

[brittle fiber]

Did you forget about the first ptr note saying they feel ptr is in a good spot?

[minor gust]

That's precisely why we need things to get worse

[brittle fiber]

Hero talents unironically gonna become 7 tier 2 choice set ups where both options are ass

I hope midnight is only 5 levels

[lethal vale]

What fatality change? I must of missed that in the notes

[minor gust]

Wasn't ever in notes but fatality currently scales with everything including cds

So have fun hoping your CDs align with fatality.

[lethal vale]

Do we even take fatality? I thought that was a dead talent mostly

[dim basalt]

Well if it scales with our CDs you can ramp the damage a lot

[minor gust]

In 11.1 yes we'll be taking fatality

[dim basalt]

How much of a loss is a no-fatality build?

[lean geode]

Think Fishy said fatality was on average like 3% over a 5m fight

[minor gust]

That's a Krisp or Walhe question

[dim basalt]

hmm

[lethal vale]

I don’t see what the problem is with fatality, don’t we execute anyway at 20% hp, it’s just free execute dmg right?

[dim basalt]

I can imagine that we only take it if it actually aligns with our cds

[lethal vale]

Oh, aligning it with colossus smash

I guess

[dim basalt]

• avatar

[lethal vale]

I c

[dim basalt]

And its probably worth holding avatar for 20+ seconds for that shit

lmao

[gaunt owl]

problem was Fatality wasnt amped by anything before

not even Aura buff

[silk spade]

can't wait to not press execute like an idiot waiting for cds during execute

[gaunt owl]

thats how bad it was

[gaunt owl]

a slight delay on CS is all you need

[minor gust]

Execute phase begins at 35% in raid talents fatality procs at 30

[gaunt owl]

at least we dont have the fucking TOM window anymore

[minor gust]

Tom window fatality pog

[silk spade]

are we gonna play colo in raid btw

[gaunt owl]

but holding Avatar wont be worth it or delaying Fatality proc if its more than 20 seconds most likely

[thick kelp]

nop

[minor gust]

Now we got CDs and fatality

[silk spade]

whew

[thick kelp]

Colossus is in need of something greater than god

[silk spade]

good

cba playing that shit in raid

ngl

[minor gust]

Even Blizz doesn't want to play Colossus in raid why do you think they shot it again.

[thick kelp]

Slayer m+ meta

get ready

[silk spade]

slayer fun in m+

[gaunt owl]

Colossus is dead since i uninstalled the game

they buried it for good

[thick kelp]

Come back paww

[dim basalt]

Slayer M+ would be god awful

[gaunt owl]

i enjoy my freedom too much

[silk spade]

slayer in m+ is pretty chill

[thick kelp]

Arms will get reworked the moment unc is back

[dim basalt]

Its just not fun at all

[silk spade]

cleave reap the storm brrrrr

[gaunt owl]

Slayer could get the Bladestorm from Fury

and it would be so much better

[dim basalt]

bs go stonks

[gaunt owl]

you have time to take a dump while its channeling BS

[minor gust]

Got time to stretch and grab a glass of water while you bladestorm as arms

[lethal vale]

It’s just a little boring is all I mean basically just trade ravager for bladestorm and use mark for execution procs

But the plus is you don’t have to use finicky demolish

The second they change demolish I will be a colossus only main

[dim basalt]

Demolish isnt as bad as you make it out to be

[lethal vale]

Don’t get me wrong I think it’s a fun ability I like the premise but the amount of times it just cancels itself is infuriating

Plus I don’t like any ability that roots you as a melee class

[dim basalt]

Thats on you tho

[lethal vale]

Not really… I can’t control when the tank decides to move

[dim basalt]

But you decide when to use it

I think I miss Demolish like once every few days at most

[lethal vale]

Yeah, I mean there is definitely ways to make it more consistent but the problem is it shouldn’t even be a consideration at all

I should just be able to press the button and it works

[thick kelp]

new UI inspired by @fresh spire great ui

[lean geode]

Where MS

[halcyon valve]

Beautiful

[silk spade]

bars ui weirdchamp

[fresh spire]

its worse than mine

:bruh

[lean geode]

You got me fucked up if you think I'm looking more than 50px from the center of my screen for any reason whatsoever

[swift crown]

Bar UIs aren't bad if done right but I'm not a fan of UIs where your eyes need to wander that much to get information

[thick kelp]

My monitor is twice the size of my hand

My eyes arent wandering

[swift crown]

Maybe you have ginormous hands

[lean geode]

small monitor or you just have orangutan hands

[fresh spire]

[thick kelp]

Laptop

[fresh spire]

the monkey hand

[swift crown]

Personally I would want SkS more central for example, MS I could see being okay since you just slam it on CD

But preference thing

[silk spade]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1294680138042183711/1334106520711073803/8lGFp.gif

[swift crown]

Holy shit

That is Schmidi!

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1294680138042183711/1335230640450179182/rgii1.gif

[quasi torrent]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1294680138042183711/1335230640450179182/rgii1.gif?ex=67a20cf0&is=67a0bb70&hm=c1aa64f0e2cd7d1a8a97ce4ff40df2655ca2a5d20486a585f680ffd1ac9e8024&

[olive nest]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1294680138042183711/1335230640450179182/rgii1.gif?ex=67a20cf0&is=67a0bb70&hm=c1aa64f0e2cd7d1a8a97ce4ff40df2655ca2a5d20486a585f680ffd1ac9e8024&

[silk spade]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1294680138042183711/1335230640450179182/rgii1.gif

[shadow ibex]

Kill SkS

[silk spade]

real

shit button

[icy mulch]

That cabby has zero fox given.

[dim basalt]

Is it really that worth to play around Bonegrinder

It feels like I lose damage by doing that

[lethal vale]

Wdym by play around? Do you cleave in single target during ravager?

[dim basalt]

Waiting with cds during SS for CD

Amd then pop a bigger cleave with bonegrinder

But ignoring anger management feels kinda bad and not worth

[quaint otter]

depends on how many time u have to line up

5s usually worth

[soft sigil]

In keys I've never seen anyone actually playing around MBG like that

I don't, never seen biz or critcake do it either

It's fun on dummies but not sure it's worth doing in a key

[teal fossil]

the trick is to not play bonegrinder

[olive nest]

I’ve been playing around with trying to maximize cleave casts during ravager and it’s just not ideal

Unless you just don’t demolish until after ravager but then CS runs out

It’s odd

[stone marsh]

Is colossus more popular than slayer?

[strange perch]

YES

[stone marsh]

Demolish feels so clunky tho

[olive nest]

Demolish is pretty pog ngl

Just hope tank doesn’t run away right as you cast

[stone marsh]

I don't like it idk. I like the slayer strike animation things that pop randomly

Hope slayer is not much weaker

[nova marsh]

For m+ it is

[soft sigil]

You just demolish between cleave casts, 3 is the max cleaves you can get in an MBG window with no EB procs

[olive nest]

Yeah I usually try to fish for resets first while MBG is up

[soft sigil]

Shouldn't ever push out demo for more cleaves from your CS window unless they just don't line up

[olive nest]

Or I’ll just demolish

Playing around with it

But yeah it seems like getting your demolish as high of stacks as you can and still getting the full channel inside cs window is good

[shadow ibex]

You should be able to get 10 before cs falls with ravger sweep bug

[sacred zodiac]

lore on ravager sweep bug

[minor gust]

even tho you cant sweep unhinged anymore for whatever reason you still get the colossal might stacks as if you swept the unhinged MS

[sacred zodiac]

do you want to waste sweep duration in a bladestorm tho?

[minor gust]

this is about colossus not slayer

[sacred zodiac]

this is a basic question i havent touched arms this season

is sweeping during bladestorm something you actively want to do?

[minor gust]

if your playing BI instead of warbreaker yes you still want to sweep before bladestorm to sweep the colossus smash

[sacred zodiac]

ic

[shadow ibex]

ravager sweep bug p much enables colossus burst

getting max stacks before WB ends without it would be mega rng EB procs

[rare kite]

watch them fix it and not give colossus any compensation buffs

[shadow ibex]

with bug just ravager + sweep MS cleave and can hit 10 in few globals

same with exe demo stacks

using execute too much so removing stacks but also we buffed MS so should have fixed the exe>MS problem + very dumb s1 4pc is gone

really dont understand why they did that when they p much fixed the problem by buffing MS

aboslutely no clue

[minor gust]

Remember Blizzard doesn't think when they make warrior changes

[fresh spire]

[tough tangle]

[quasi torrent]

Good place to get changed maybe

[shadow ibex]

warbringer devs

[lean geode]

Any armsmen that can explain these results

Why is colossus blasting on single target

(3m test on PTR)

[tacit crystal]

slurry