arms

[steep osprey]

yeah

[mild nymph]

aug dmg maybe isn’t insane on live

but it’s certainly better than quite a few specs

and it’s damage is most certainly overtuned and incredibly high on ptr

[steep osprey]

are those correct talents

for M+

Colossusy

[untold pewter]

Cool but this is the Arms channel
And this is all I said, nothing insane about its damage on live

[steep osprey]

ANYONE

respond

[tacit crystal]

i said personal damage

[untold pewter]

Yeah me too

I was replying to what you said

[tacit crystal]

1 point in ct i think over bleed

[steep osprey]

I'm gonna take finishing blows

[untold pewter]

Bizentein talents in ara +18

[strange perch]

"dude is mazed"

[charred brook]

just overtook the other eddie on ulgrax last night

confirmed better eddie

get owned

[wild hemlock]

Hi, has the bug when using execute while at 2 stacks of Sudden Death adds cooldown to CS and BS been reported? (exists on live and PTR as of my testing today) I searched the discord and couldn't find any convos on it

[fresh spire]

first time ive heard of this

sending 2nd stack of CS makes the CD longer or gives cdr?

[astral talon]

wait

[fresh spire]

oh i see what you mean

it buffers back 1 second

[astral talon]

checked a video about animation for cs

[wild hemlock]

Using execute while at 2 stacks of SD will make the cooldown of BS and colossus smash/warbreak longer. If BS is off CD it will actually put it back on CD. (about 1-1.5s)

[astral talon]

its two horde weapons

for alliance too

[fresh spire]

@daring heron

[astral talon]

night elf throwing two horde weapons is peak comedy imo

[fresh spire]

i remember you doing a key and you said something about this shit before when it come off cd but you couldnt press it

[astral talon]

and its always the same weapons

[steep osprey]

it's GOREHOWL

[astral talon]

gorehowl, saurfang pvp axe, and the shit from tbc xD

[sacred zodiac]

why greg not 1b damage? noob

[tacit crystal]

noob

@sacred zodiac

hi

hi

hi

hi

hi

hi

hi

hi

hi

hi

hi

hi

[candid pecan]

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2366997849?t=00h23m45s timestamped, pushes CS/Bladestorm back 1 second, or rather adds 1 sec to remaining cd

[ivory harbor]

The new animation for warbreaker makes me feel that it will cause some serious FPS drop if the tank pulls big 😔

[candid pecan]

when he uses SD on 2 stacks

thats some interesting bug 😦

[fresh spire]

This is the exact thing he mentioned before

[daring heron]

bruh

[fresh spire]

Such a weird bug

[astral talon]

reject fps, embrace flashbang

you do some dark dungeon

lights off

3am

you pop warbreaker on a big pull

https://tenor.com/view/flashbang-gif-22572243

[last inlet]

https://tenor.com/view/flashbang-flash-cat-betterttv-gif-10690574645280585754

[wild hemlock]

Submitted bug reports, cheers!

[sacred zodiac]

hi

[lethal vale]

Wtf where they thinking with those new arms animations

🤢

Like there is no way somebody made that shit, recorded the video and thinks yup that looks good

[woven wasp]

real it seems

[sand summit]

Hey Warriors! I need some help. Im on queen mythic and in 2nd phase i use my spell reflect on the beam. First platform works but then on 2nd platform My details dosent track, count or what ever it is... I get the sound effect but apparently the dmg dosent seem to be reflectet? Anyone got experience with this?

[fresh spire]

have you got 2 warriors?

[sand summit]

Yes

[fresh spire]

only one can do it at a time

so if you mate reflects you get fucked

one each

[sand summit]

Lol mate

[fresh spire]

😄

"rival?"

[sand summit]

Gotta tell him to hold that one!!!

Thanks

[fresh spire]

i did 2nd on prog as it was pretty safe to always hit and was during grip too

charge mob with beam as you get grip and reflect

[sand summit]

y... But so its basicly the first one that clikc spell reflect?

Or how does it work u say mate?

@fresh spire But thank you very much anyway 😄

[fresh spire]

so if two people stand in the beam and reflect, only one person will get the reflect

other will just take no daamge with no reflect

i'm not certain how it works with the picking, would assume first hit by beam

[sand summit]

Alright 😄 Thanks again champ

[summer basalt]

swapblast the other war out of the beam. progression is no excuse!

[sand summit]

@summer basalt mate 😄

[sacred zodiac]

probs player id

[zenith warren]

wtf is this

[daring heron]

shattering armor

that part is fine

it's the weapons i dont like

[reef mauve]

" shatters opponents armor" also random fucking weapons

[latent hull]

the animation should be like a shattering shield

like this

[reef mauve]

isnt it already?

[latent hull]

apperantly its this

idk

[fading isle]

the weapons should strike the enemies, not away from them

maybe that's why it looks weird

colossus smash it's "ok"

[plucky flicker]

Can you post a like 5-6 seconds clip here or not allowed ?

Warrior related ofc

[rare kite]

ofc you can

[plucky flicker]

Thoughts on this idea for Warbreaker instead of the new one, Mix the leap animation which it does in live with this one(Legion version) but make the spikes brown

Sounds kinda bis but it might be only me

[rich ridge]

Arms or fury for season 2?

[rare kite]

right now prob arms

[rich ridge]

Damn

[astral yarrow]

they are pretty equal sim wise 🤷‍♀️

[rare kite]

aye, but raid fights are more catered to arms and in m+ arms has uncapped aoe

[quaint otter]

Destruction warlock

[rich ridge]

I do have a level 80 lock I don’t play lol

[astral yarrow]

There is more ST this tier thats true, but unless execute is specifically needed you can do whatever

execute real good for arms

[silk spade]

thought a lot of fights had multiple adds up at the same time

[fresh spire]

just put a color tint to make it earthy

gg

like ground/rock

[plucky flicker]

Might be nostalgic bias but I really liked Legion Warbreaker, seems better than the new one to me

Like the weapons seem pointless to me idk

They are not striking your targets

[fresh spire]

i mean that one has 100% more logic than astral weapons

[rich ridge]

I need to learn how to play arms. I kinda know how but not as good as fury

[dim basalt]

Both specs are easy

[astral yarrow]

just dont run opportunist and press MS every opportunity you get

[astral yarrow]

small enough i play fury, big enough i play arms

[dim basalt]

I think there is only one fight that is fury favoured

Which is bandit

[light dirge]

Follow the rule, ACMS always cast mortal strike.

I had two siren weak auras to yell at me to cast Ms

[dim basalt]

And youre sure youre still sane?

[light dirge]

I still hear them in my sleep 2 months after pausing my wow sub

[dim basalt]

Can imagine that

[light dirge]

In isolation I hear the sound of mortal strike due to tinnitus

Jokes aside I needed a WA to yell at me cuz I kept casting too many OPs

[fresh spire]

Still sane exile?

[dim basalt]

When I started playing arms I needed a cat sound to remember refreshing rend

Please remove rend it feels so bad

[rich ridge]

Hit MS even without OP stacks? I’m a arms noob

[dim basalt]

Outside of execute you press it on cd yeah

[rich ridge]

Ok

Imma practice it tonight in some +10s lol

[light dirge]

Your ms key on your keyboard should be wittled down to the circuit

Hit MS on CD off CD, during pregnancy, after a funeral etc.

I learned that lesson while raiding, vault of incarn.

[steep osprey]

I’ve been saying to remove Rend and put its damage into dw

[light dirge]

It's interesting cuz DW basically is just rend but passive and more DMG?

So have two bleeds is kind of redundant?

[steep osprey]

I agree

[light dirge]

Kinda silly tbh

That could be another fun button to press

[steep osprey]

Deep wounds is the only thing we need really, Rend doesn’t do anything except bleed

And it’s damage is trash

[light dirge]

Right.

I believe that cleave could fill that button spot.

Since they want to lean into cleave just make that button be cleave, and when cleaving cause rend ontop of deep wounds.

[steep osprey]

Deep wounds damage isn’t good either but it would help if they just buffed it by a lot and deleted Rend

[steep osprey]

Then it’s basically the same thing

[light dirge]

I suppose, just trying to think outside the box haha

[steep osprey]

Why have 2 exact same bleeds

I kinda miss deep wounds damage in bfa lol

[light dirge]

Haha

[steep osprey]

Not that big but at least a good portion

[light dirge]

I just want new buttons

Haha

Rend sucks l, need something shiny

Zug zug

I'm a fan of the idea of implementing shouts into the rotation, like using battle shout to do some small AOE but buffing our damage during a small window.

Or some shit

[dim basalt]

yee

[light dirge]

Since most of us are ADHD and use battle shout as a fidget toy anyway lmao

[dim basalt]

Tho something like Warbreaker kinda fits more

When it comes to a dmg buff

[light dirge]

Oh true that.

[quiet yacht]

i literally never click rend ever

[dim basalt]

[quiet yacht]

i dont even have it on my bars

[light dirge]

Thunderclap is a good solution to rend thankfully I enjoy using clap

[quiet yacht]

yeah i use clap instead too

[light dirge]

But talenting into sucks

[tacit crystal]

why do you like doing 100k less

[quiet yacht]

hm?

[light dirge]

We use clap instead of the rend button

[tacit crystal]

losing damage for fun ig

[light dirge]

It applies rend? I'm confused

[dim basalt]

Does a tiny bit less initial damage

[light dirge]

Sure but applies rend in a aoe.

[tacit crystal]

tiny bit less over a 30 minute key is a lot

[snow flame]

Tiny bit in a 3 min boss kill is nothing tbh

[dim basalt]

^

Its not gonna time or break your key

[tacit crystal]

maybe but im rend tclapping in bigger pulls

[light dirge]

That is the idea, I'm still confused.

[tacit crystal]

im getting 6 you are getting 5

[quiet yacht]

"Although Rend deals more damage to single targets than Thunder Clap, the difference is not worth juggling the extra keybind."

[light dirge]

1-3 targets I usually just rend with strikes but clapping anything more than that is most efficient?

[dim basalt]

For the price of a full gcd, not worth

[light dirge]

A GCD that could be used for MS

[dim basalt]

Cleave / op in aoe but yeah

[tacit crystal]

ms isnt pressed until like 6 seconds in

kek

@snow flame grats on the pc trial

[light dirge]

Okay

[devout pewter]

ok, now I'm happy. The Battlelord+EB build "i came up with"(not literally) like a few months ago is now the recommended build

(haven't played in a while)

[snow flame]

[tacit crystal]

say hi to awuwawawa

[snow flame]

[quaint otter]

therefore stonks?

[silk spade]

lets get a perma mute on baze

[quiet yacht]

they could have done what riot games does

0.01% buff/nerf to things

[silk spade]

@snow flame grats on the pc trial

[quaint otter]

but there it actually affects things

unlike here

[quiet yacht]

pretty sure their buffs/nerf are mostly placebo

the changes they make are so miniscule that you might aswell not change anything

[snow flame]

I’m confused on this post cause I see no arms warrior nerfs

I don’t even remember the last time arms got nerfed

[silk spade]

where was that even posted

[snow flame]

On the warbreaker new animations feedback post

Which is why I’m even more confused

[quiet yacht]

new animation = nerf lmao

[snow flame]

It doesn’t even really impact the gameplay of arms either

[quiet yacht]

nerf because ||it looks worse|| therefore less damage

[snow flame]

It’s just an animation

[quiet yacht]

thats the bad joke

[silk spade]

idk reading random clueless posts like that is not very fun

[quiet yacht]

it doesnt do anything

but it looks less cool so

[last inlet]

idk, i like.

it.

[silk spade]

every time i open the comment section on a wowhead article it's very bad

[quiet yacht]

everyone knows the cooler you look the more damage you do

[snow flame]

Yeah I was just interested to see what a lot of the casuals think

Of the animations

This is the only comment that didn’t really make sense

[quiet yacht]

all jokes aside i dont dislike the new animations

[snow flame]

Also pretty sure devs don’t touch animations

Wouldn’t that be the art team?

Or vfx team idk

[olive nest]

That’s my guess too ye

The new animation is horrendous

[quiet yacht]

maybe they hired new people

first assignment in their life

[wild kernel]

New animation seems kinda out of place

I'm trying to punch a hole in the target for big dam not summon swords

[fierce inlet]

gday mates, what fucking class (melee pref) is actually looking fun for next patch because fdk, arms, ret, rogues are all whining in their respective community discs

[snow flame]

Depends what you mean by fun

[wild kernel]

Taking a walk and picking what you want in a month when the patch goes live

[snow flame]

If you have fun by doing big dos go enhancement

WW will also be pretty solid

[fierce inlet]

Big dps is fun yeah but also pref not something janky feeling like sub rogue

[mellow ledge]

Why we whining I thought arms just got solid buffs

[snow flame]

It did but some people don’t like the new animation

Also buffs don’t fix gameplay and the function of the spec itself

[wild kernel]

Most of the dps tuning will change before the patch is dropped

[olive nest]

Visuals and feel are most important

That new animation is totally opposite of that

[wild kernel]

That shit is tacky

[shadow ibex]

i hate the whirlwind spin

thats just placeholder and they have something better in mind is my hope

[minor gust]

I didn't notice the WW spin till later I don't like that. I like the weapons but the WW is an L like bruh the tooltip of Warbreaker says u smash the ground.

[gusty nymph]

Those animations don’t belong to warriors. That being said, I am more disappointed by the lack of change to our useless capstone talents…

[shadow ibex]

if it was like a better bladestorm spin maybe

but even BS spin looks silly

mobs in classic spin like that when they do ww or cleave ability rn

[minor gust]

Idk why they changed the actual character animation. It went from the unique jump stomp to copy paste WW. Again I like the spectral weapons representing armor break but my laziness detector is going off with the reused WW animation

[rich ridge]

Do we use slam or ww when we don’t have anything else

[dim basalt]

Tooltips get updates way later as they wanna collect feedback first

And I hope they revert the animations lol

[minor gust]

If no one is complaining on forums or Twitter don't expect the animation to be reverted

Complaining on here doesn't do anything

[tacit crystal]

yarp

[dire hinge]

Slam, you pretty much never cast whirlwind currently.

If you’re in an AoE situation you should likely have Cleave talented (replaces Whirlwind), or you can leverage Sweeping Strikes

[rich ridge]

Thanks

[minor gust]

Remove WW plz that ability is dead useless now

[hushed pine]

It was good in Legion

[minor gust]

It was good in DF but Blizz decided to giga buff cleave and make cleave work with all WW talents, straight up replaces WW as well. And the biggest was destroying the best talent to come out of DF storm of swords.

Just get rid of WW what's the point of it anymore.

make cleave baseline and give us better creative talent to replace cleave.

[shadow ibex]

to do aoe dmg before you are high enough lvl for cleave is only point of it atm

if u have aoe mobs i dont even think its worth a global as ST arms on a boss fight over an OP + sweeping

if u were ST specd i mean and had 5 mobs that needed to die

[minor gust]

No in any quick aoe situation it is better for you to just keep ST the boss

If AOE is any bit significant you just talent cleave

Just weird how they completely and utterly destroyed this ability but it still exists

[shadow ibex]

i wonder if cleave buff affects it lol

or if they forgot it exists

hitting a dummy with tom on ptr and i want to align fataltiy + cs/tom overlap

[minor gust]

Was just thinking about that but I'm more inclined to believe they have completely forgotten about it and know it's useless so they don't buff it with the rest of the abilities

[shadow ibex]

imagine the variance

[minor gust]

Make fatality able to crit for more variance plz

[shadow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/elden-ring-elden-ring-o-elden-ring-oh-elden-ring-gif-24980841

26 fatal

surely

[fresh spire]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-wtf-side-eye-cute-cat-gif-4703834963635709315

[magic canopy]

imma need a wa to scream at me my next global is mortal stike

on god i miss it so many times

[boreal merlin]

Hard agree, for all specs. It’s also boring to press.

[lethal vale]

Ngl learning to play arms because of the buffs and it has so many more buttons than fury

[languid blade]

Is arms looking to be better than Fury in 11.1?

[minor gust]

currently tuning wise/raid wise yes

still got 4 weeks till patch so shit can change

[lethal vale]

How bad is it to just never use rend but always apply your rend thru thunderclap?

completely trolling?

[minor gust]

insanely minor dmg loss

its very much a preference

[lethal vale]

Sweet, just trying to consolidate some buttons lol

Do u still execute with colossus?

[minor gust]

yes

[grand idol]

I don't particularly like the new animations. No one asked but shared anyway.

[brittle fiber]

Dude my wife's in the server

can't just share your opinions like that

[lethal vale]

Yeah, I havent seen a single person who likes them. Lets see if blizz actually listens to player feedback

[brittle fiber]

@minor gust you're not a person apparently

[minor gust]

I only half like it now. I like the weapons and shit but I dislike removing the stomp animation for just a copy and paste WW animation

[brittle fiber]

half a person then

[minor gust]

the amount of laziness from Blizz when it comes to warrior gets real annoying

[rare kite]

don't worry, most people despise them(including me)

[lethal vale]

Also I'm sorry but at what point did they think putting sweeping strikes on the gcd table was a good idea?

doesnt it not take a gcd in cata?

[minor gust]

its technically only a half gcd but yeah

its complete ass

[rare kite]

bit late to the party there xD. also it's not even a full gcd, which is even more insulting imo

[lethal vale]

Ah at least it's only half but... like why

I just wanna know what dev was like yeaah sweeping strikes we gotta put that on gcd

thats a fun change

[minor gust]

welcome to arms friend

heres your doom badge

[sharp dust]

Mfw i read every warrior patch note last 2 seasons

[final cipher]

anyone know how arms is doing compared to other classes/specs on the ptr?

[rare kite]

it's the first day since the buffs, so kinda early to ask

[brittle fiber]

we dont know after the buffs it just got

[final cipher]

alright, thanks.

[fresh spire]

[lethal vale]

how much does this realistically heal you for?

Im just concerned about low self healing lol

[magic canopy]

its better then ignore pain

[severe haven]

Warr doesn't really actively heal much besides impending victory

It's still better than ignore pain yeah

[rare kite]

it's something you don't have notice when you have it, but you notice when you don't have it

[lean geode]

From Tmy's public Kyveza log

[lethal vale]

Does it count healing that happens when u are already max hp? the log

[brittle fiber]

yes

you can see it right there

[lethal vale]

oh overheal ur right myb

[magic canopy]

fueled is quite good

[brittle fiber]

it's certainly better than gargalon DN

[grand idol]

I don't think it heals you if you are max. I think that overhealing is when it would have healed and the amount overhealed a little.

(it is at least not reflected in the basic in-game combat log.)

[lethal vale]

What's DN?

Also does the slam buff mean anything? We don't use slam much in the rotation, do we?

[brittle fiber]

Dreadnaught

But also deez nuts

[gusty nymph]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-raccoon-gif-18000918

[hazy flower]

IP just bad

[minor gust]

both are true

[silent inlet]

https://tenor.com/view/iggydr-dr-nick-nick-dr-doctor-gif-19040004

WTF am I doin wrong. I am decently geared but my parses are garbage. Please help.

[silk spade]

#449510248579858432

[silent inlet]

Roger 🙂

[cloud dawn]

Did a mage intern design that warbreaker animation? what the fucks going on with war man

[quick vale]

how's PTR looking for us?

[rare kite]

better than before, but it's day 1 of the buff. and no raidtesting yet

so small sample atm

[minor gust]

better number wise worse gameplay

[rare kite]

correct

[quick vale]

how could the gameplay possibly get any worse than a 3 button rotation?

[minor gust]

🙂

[rare kite]

coz they removed execute granting stacks for colossus

[quick vale]

...

[teal fossil]

a 2 button rotation

[quick vale]

someone needs to find the guy at blizzard that just fucking hates warriors

[teal fossil]

im not too big of a fan of jamming exec until you have every multiplier under the sun

but this is not the right way to do it

[quick vale]

I just want to give him a hug, find out who hurt him, and help him find some peace

[rare kite]

also a 3 button rotation could be fun, all depends on what buttons it is. in legion(yes i know, someday i will stop talking about it) pressing only ms,cs and execute in execute phase big satisfying

[quick vale]

they really need to have a look at colossus

it's getting left behind

[minor gust]

cant forget the greatest cursed change of fatality scaling with everything now even cds

so you better hope your cds align with boss hitting 30%

[teal fossil]

i dont think thats in the patch notes yet

[quick vale]

I only really play prot and arms so at the rate they're going, my credit card is going to be on cooldown at the end of the next billing cycle

[olive nest]

There it is

[lean geode]

[olive nest]

[quaint otter]

[minor gust]

[magic canopy]

poggies

[minor gust]

We had a sweet 0.0% wipe on queen rekill tonight

[silk spade]

dont look at healer dot uptime when this happens

[minor gust]

[unborn canyon]

man

thats rough

see, we need a buff

[snow flame]

gz

[lethal vale]

So dreadnaught got a buff but I can’t seem to find where that is in the talent tree. Is it just a passive always learned ?

[teal fossil]

It’s a choice node with strength if arms

There’s a search function on wowhead in talent trees

[minor gust]

also an ingame search function aswell

[olive nest]

Tyty!

[lethal vale]

Oh I see, do you guys think it will be worth taking in AOE now with the buff?

[teal fossil]

Maybe

[rare kite]

idk maybe as slayer. i think as colossus you can't afford to lose the st

[slow saddle]

Most likely no

[slow saddle]

Str of arms is so good

[quaint otter]

https://tenor.com/view/armswarrior-warrior-warriorwow-armswow-armswarriorwow-gif-27099127

[rich ridge]

what WA u guys use to track op stacks?

[quaint otter]

Counting to 2

In my head

[rich ridge]

thats what im doing lol

[quaint otter]

For ms i have the uwu wa

[vast surge]

Uuuuge

[dire hinge]

I just have it as a little number on my MS

[boreal quartz]

The uwu aura

For the CD n shit

[dire hinge]

uwu aura mvp

[vast surge]

Can I just say UWU every time I press MS?

[dire hinge]

it tracks your Tier, EP, and OP buff stacks in the form of different combinations of uwu faces on your MS

like uwu or owo or >w<

i dont have it installed currently, but i know i have a gif of it somewhere in the bowels of my phone

[vast surge]

I’m getting too old for this shit

Feeling very Murtaugh today

[dire hinge]

it's cute

press when shining

smooth out brain

[vast surge]

I have luxthos for tier and I track EP and OP in my head

[boreal quartz]

That's unhinged

Why think if weakaura

[vast surge]

It comes so naturally, I’m barely thinking about it

[thick kelp]

im dented

which symbol was for that

formatting

[dire hinge]

for the blocks?

[thick kelp]

yea

[dire hinge]

it's a tickmark, the un-shifted Tilde (left of the number 1)

surround the word in them on both sides, like quote marks

[thick kelp]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1270040420315037727.gif?size=96&quality=lossless

ty

[dire hinge]

`like this`

like this

[vast surge]

Feels like extra brain power to remember which e-girl word means what

[dire hinge]

three on both sides makes a large codeblock

[thick kelp]

wild world

[dire hinge]

it's fun, it supports a lot of things

code highlighting, etc

[thick kelp]

NA keyboard got me fucked up

below tilde

nordic layout its left of backspace

xdd

[dire hinge]

haha

trueee sorry

[steep osprey]

Warbreaker POV

https://tenor.com/view/flashbang-gif-22572243

[rich ridge]

just noticed that on my WA i use thanks

[dire hinge]

[spark tapir]

change my mind, but warrior is the cutest of classes anyway. you know? we have literally a skill called exeCUTE :3

[tacit crystal]

@thick kelp uwu

[fresh spire]

My guild also did same 😄

[minor gust]

Good times

[fresh spire]

[tacit crystal]

hi fish

[minor gust]

0.0% wipe into a few P1 wipes

[tacit crystal]

🙂

[minor gust]

https://tenor.com/view/laughing-duck-gif-1363576254939741235

[fresh spire]

Gotta love bosses where p1 is harder than p3

Less 8 min wipes gg

[minor gust]

[latent moss]

this wa might cause my comeback

[minor gust]

Bis Hrothmar WA is Stereo Saiyan lust and exe phase

[latent moss]

all hrothmar wa are bis

[minor gust]

certified dmg increase during lust

[latent moss]

real

[thick kelp]

that might be

anda weakaura

[fresh spire]

[tacit crystal]

wahle

[fresh spire]

Uwu

[magic canopy]

:3

[fresh spire]

:3

[spark tapir]

:3

[astral yarrow]

[vast surge]

https://tenor.com/view/paris-hilton-ew-grossed-out-not-into-it-disgusted-gif-5514980

Every time I think of the new CS and WB animations

[untold trench]

Remember to not place your feedback about it only on here, but also on the forum

[steep osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/flashbang-gif-22572243

[untold pewter]

Aye there's a forum post with mostly negative comments up already
Same on wowhead (though I wouldn't trust Blizz to check wowhead comments)

[untold trench]

Add your voice to be heard, be it positive or negative, or forever stay silent and unheard

[brittle fiber]

The day blizzard listens to the pathology that is the wowhead comment section is the day i unsubscribe

[untold trench]

Wowhead, unlikely, the forums? Quite likely they will notice the golden posts

[untold pewter]

I did, I also mentioned this in my guild and the folks there ganged up on the post (I didn't force them to I swear, those are their opinions) LMFAO

Also a player named Rulord posted there an animation that's like way superior to what Blizzard cooked
https://imgur.com/a/colossus-smash-warbreaker-DlGkW8x

[untold trench]

As long it is civil, sure - bring all the friends

[untold pewter]

Of course

[brittle fiber]

You go to the comments on the changelogs for the m+ stuff and some 732 rating guy is saying “this isnt good enough. We should be getting gilded crests from m0. Why do i spend so much money on this game if i cant have access to all the content”

[untold pewter]

They do listen
And animations have been reverted due to negative feedback in the past

[fresh spire]

Hire this guy rn

[brittle fiber]

I’m mocking wowhead comments

[untold pewter]

Oh LMFAO

[vast surge]

Oh I wrote on the forums I think it’s mediocre at best and diminishes my interest in playing this spec.

[untold trench]

I am glad, it is important if you want to see the change reverted.

[brittle fiber]

Soon someone’s gonna ask argue over pet battles not giving crests

[fresh spire]

[untold pewter]

This is the post in case anyone wants to get their opinions across in a friendly way
https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/new-arms-warrior-animations/2052417

[fresh spire]

Pet level ups gated by crests

(Very real)

[lunar remnant]

Anyone sim arms on raidbot? I don’t have a great set and want to see how it compares vs fury

For ptr

[brittle fiber]

I want my pets to be with me in delves!!

[fresh spire]

Arms set is 5.5%

[brittle fiber]

Pet battle delves!!!!

Call it murloc mystery dungeon

[lunar remnant]

5.5% higher in 11.1 PTR on both ST and AoE?

[fresh spire]

St

[lunar remnant]

Okay so basically how it is now

[fresh spire]

Its worse than our old set in comparison of power. But functionally its better than it was

Was as in first ptr version*

[lunar remnant]

But we still go arms on st fights and fury AoE fights next patch?

[brittle fiber]

Ha

[vast surge]

How hard was it to animate the colossus smash icon? Instead of this nonsense.

Did they get a new animation director who’s trying to prove their worth $$ they’re paying them?

[fresh spire]

Fury and arms sim the exact same rn

Check critcakes new video

[untold pewter]

Too early to tell also

[brittle fiber]

The less i have to play fury the happier i am

[fresh spire]

He explains pretty well how he things they will go

[brittle fiber]

Though i will say i like onslaught more than i like skullsplitter

[lunar remnant]

Oh shit crit dropped thanks fish

Sorry late to the party busy work week

[fresh spire]

[untold pewter]

Nothing to apologize for man

[lunar remnant]

❤️

[untold trench]

While it didnt land well, it was an attempt of a new direction for warrior animations. Just see it as an attempt to see how the audience would react to it; more than someone doing a bad job out of desperation to keep employment.

Even the best artist failed more than once, before hitting the correct string of chords. Especially likely if it is a newer employee coming into the WoW scene from another area.

So lets not attack the person; let us just be heard that we are not happy with the work; and attack the product.
Trust that the artist did not envision or want the backlash. Trust in the artist to get another chance with feedback in mind. I have no doubt that the second round about will hit much closer to the warrior fantasy and feel.

[vast surge]

I speak in jest

[untold trench]

Fair, but keep in mind - many who read that will pick up on it, and push that notion you jested about unironically.

Bad notions spread like wildfire when people are unhappy

[untold pewter]

This isn't (or isn't supposed to be a 1 person job) though
Leaving the players to criticize your result when it's this far off is a major waste of resources
There should be people internally able to look at this objectively and say "this doesn't fit" - which is the opinion of the majority

[vast surge]

I’m can’t police other people nor should I have to be accountable for other people’s reading comprehension.

[untold pewter]

Especially because this isn't like "it's just an animation"
The way to convey class fantasy and identity often comes from "just animations"
They have to take this more seriously

[vast surge]

That aside, hopefully this doesn’t go live and they really should have a better internal process to evaluate these things. They won’t always get things right but they’re the ones being paid to do this job not us.

[untold pewter]

That exactly

[untold trench]

Again, if the attack is pointed at the artist or team, and that is generally unfounded. To push an aggressive stance against the ones trying to improve on the product we consume. Then the attack will make them less likely to listen.

They did not know what they made would crash this hard. Now they do. PTR is PTR for a reason, a way to test public reaction.

[untold pewter]

I wouldn't be this passionate about it if this was like close but nah, it screams disconnection from the community (and the feedback is proof)

[untold trench]

And yes, I agree there is a disconnect. Hopefully this helps them reflect, more so - be willing to do extra steps to reconnect.

[untold pewter]

In my opinion players need to share their feedback without caring about who will read and who'll get hurt (because they can't control that), plain and simple.
And devs MUST have thick skin to take this because whether we like it or not that's how it ends up with stuff online
Now, certainly people shouldn't be aggressive, this is basic decency, basic levels of respect, used to be common sense.

[untold trench]

I disagree that the criticism is on the person, not the product.

[untold pewter]

Well, the person who did it failed, it is what it is

They're not immune to criticism

[vast surge]

Well it wasn’t just one person

[untold pewter]

Yeah

[vast surge]

These things have a pipeline

[untold pewter]

Everyone involved, I'd say

[untold trench]

Critique the work, not their person. They are not the same

[dim basalt]

^^^^^^^^^^^^

[vast surge]

So a bunch of people have seemingly poor taste

[fresh spire]

I just don't understand the ethereal/astral looking weapons

[dim basalt]

We dont even know if the devs themselves like it

They have bosses and devs just do what they say

[untold trench]

I get the "idea", it just isnt very WoW warrior.

[fresh spire]

Warbreaker with a huge stomp and spikes has way more logic than spooky bonkers

[vast surge]

We have spiritual weapons at home guys

[fresh spire]

First step to becoming enhance.

[untold pewter]

At the same time, the person (or team) must be held accountable for their failure
That's how it works in the real world and the internet will not make it any easier

[fresh spire]

Get animations

[vast surge]

???
Profit

[fresh spire]

Like I don't understand why they didn't just yoink legion warbreaker and make it brown not purple

[vast surge]

Definitely

[fresh spire]

Such wasted animation

[untold pewter]

They had so many ways to make this not be so blatantly out of place it's actually wild

[vast surge]

And the armour breaking animation is a bit generic why not the shield on the CS icon

[untold pewter]

Not only generic, it looks bad too the way the pieces just get "cut" and fall

It looks cheap

[vast surge]

I think it’s so jarring cause most of the time they nail animations

[untold pewter]

That's what puzzles me the most

I don't really understand how this came to be

It's almost as if they hired a third party to get it done

[vast surge]

Like blizzard has consistently made pressing buttons feel good, with good sounds and visual feedback.

[untold pewter]

Someone that doens't care or doesn't know how WoW warrior looks in terms of its identity

Yeah and the fact that they reused the sound effect without even trying

[untold trench]

Wyrmo, we wont see eye to eye on this. I agree they are accountable for their failure to deliver a good product. Yet, I disagree we should be attacking them on a personal level. As what we care about is the product. By stating our feedback on said product, they get all the negativity that is needed to adapt. Trying to hurt them on a personal level is just unneeded and at worst counterproductive.

Trust that most want to do a good job. That there is pride in their work. All the effect lies in talking about the work, not the artists.

If you attack people on a personal level, for doing a bad job. Then I pray you are not in management. That is not how real life situations should be handled.

[vast surge]

Is anyone attacking the devs on a personal level? I’m asking genuinely.

[untold pewter]

Nah

[dim basalt]

Everyone who works at Blizzard cares deeply, otherwise they would not work there

Because other areas of development pay better

[vast surge]

So far the forum threads have just said “this ain’t it bruh”

[untold pewter]

I agree to disagree
I think the animation team and everyone else involved is to blame, this is too big a failure to let not say otherwise
They shouldn't be wasting resources making stuff THIS MUCH out of place

[untold trench]

They are to blame, but we disagree on the method of focus at the problem.

[dim basalt]

No offense...but have you ever worked in a professional environment?

[untold pewter]

Kek obviously

[dim basalt]

Because with behaviour like that you lose a lot of personnal in no time

[untold pewter]

And that's how it works

[dim basalt]

Criticism can always be done properly, you NEVER need to attack people personally

Like, NEVER

[untold pewter]

Ok so, let's say they are not held accountable
Make another bad animation
We hate it, say we hate it
Do it again
We hate it, say we hate it

How many times do they need to fail until it's their fault?

[dim basalt]

But nobody says they should not be held accountable?

You dont need to attack people to hold them accountable

[untold pewter]

Then what are you arguing against?

[dim basalt]

Thats the point

[untold pewter]

I didn't attack anyone mate

I'm saying they need to be held accountable

[vast surge]

In this instance the most that’s gonna happen is Linxy or Kaivan or one of the CMs are going to send a note back to the guys doing the animation and say the community doesn’t like it and these are their reason. Blah blah blah.

[dim basalt]

Dunno youre kinda attacking them lol

[untold trench]

Wyrmo is lost in what he arguing for, or there is a confusion of what is going on. So, lets just halt it here. As it is going wildely off topic.

[untold pewter]

By saying what?

[vast surge]

No one committed an atrocity so there’s no accountability that needs to be taken.

[last inlet]

the fight over the new animations still happening :(?

[untold pewter]

Rightfully so

[last inlet]

rofl.

[vast surge]

I mean we don’t have a lot as arms warriors we’re not a flashy class and these animations, we hates them

[untold trench]

Not really, we all seem to agree it was a bad product. If you mean the fight to have it reverted: Please join us on the forum, have your voice heard.

[vast surge]

We hates them passionately

[untold trench]

Bad animations, uniting all warriors. What blizzard really wanted all along.

[last inlet]

idk, i welcomed the new change, but yeah it needs work.......

[untold pewter]

I mean we're not against change

[untold trench]

Make sure to make it heard on the forums

[untold pewter]

We're against the bad animation

kek

[vast surge]

I am untethered and my rage knows no bounds

[last inlet]

thats what im saying

xD

[eager sigil]

the animation isnt even that bad it just doest fit

[untold trench]

This

[eager sigil]

thats the problem

[untold pewter]

I mean

It's pretty horrid

Watch it again lmao

Looks like some mobile game stuff

[untold trench]

Sure, but that is how we define bad. It doesnt fit, or doesnt fall in good taste. It is a bad product.

[untold pewter]

Using classic WoW weapon models even

[last inlet]

anyone DPS test yet? how we looking numbers wise after buff on PTR?

[eager sigil]

fine

[vast surge]

It’s knock off execution sentence

[untold pewter]

Recommend critcake's video for this

[last inlet]

kk

youtube?

[thick kelp]

Keeping up with dks

if that means anything to u

in St

[untold pewter]

Yeah

[last inlet]

i mean, in ST thats not bad.

just means ill be a monster in my guild

[vast surge]

No DKs in my guild

[untold pewter]

Too many in mine

[last inlet]

got 2 in mine

[vast surge]

We have one fury warrior be he falls over a lot

Technically I’m the DK in my guild

[untold pewter]

Current tier we had 4 (including 1 tank) but I had to bench 2 most of the time

[slow saddle]

I MISS season 3 4p !!!!

i wanna play JUGGERSPEC !

[vast surge]

When I decide to rock up on Dk

[thick kelp]

Heres the numbers

for ST

[slow saddle]

thats a big gap

esp since coll is 100% more volatile

[vast surge]

Slayer is my preferred hero talent this pleases me

[thick kelp]

I would prefer slayer too if it let me play with ravager

bladestorm just ruins it for me

[slow saddle]

100%

[thick kelp]

not being able to press my buttons for 5 seconds is

xd

[vast surge]

Respectfully disagree

[slow saddle]

but collosus should get to shine

[untold pewter]

Bladestorm in single target is really terrible for me

[vast surge]

I like spinning to win

[slow saddle]

now we were forced into the whole FUCKING u get 15 jugger into execute u have fun

or u get cacked by random

and u get nothing

[last inlet]

https://tenor.com/view/spin-spinning-gif-5630084690849603105

lets go

[vast surge]

I miss the double BS build of DF

[slow saddle]

if u are a key artist bladestorm feels great

in raid i mean lets be honest its annoying

[vast surge]

Garen mains unite. For demacia!

[untold trench]

Git gud, play Fury

[vast surge]

I key more than raid

[last inlet]

[slow saddle]

ah me2 in hours but keys is just 10s

[vast surge]

https://tenor.com/view/the-book-of-boba-fett-this-is-the-way-the-armorer-mandalorian-gif-25545276

[slow saddle]

and being sub optimal in keys

dont rly matter

[untold pewter]

Well for keys colossus was giga satisfying

[slow saddle]

like i play slayer - collosus - fury thane - slayer

i want collosus in raid to be the same

[untold pewter]

But for raid ST slayer wasn't, imo

[vast surge]

I’m not a fury enjoyer

I would play colossus but demolish is something that I hate so much

[fresh spire]

Colossus to slayer thematically I like more. Demolish just feels a little poop rn and need a buff after getting left behind in 11.1 . Also needs to make the slam a front

[tall flare]

ye fuck Demolish

especially in M+

not being able to move during it feels so horrible

[vast surge]

If the target is 1 pixel out of position there goes everything

[tall flare]

indeed

[fresh spire]

[slow saddle]

i mean it doesnt even annoy me anymore

like for real.

but the fact that they are nerfing execute

for collosus

is just sadness

[fresh spire]

Blizzard really needs to nail the buff to colossus

[untold pewter]

Can we unite and ask them to make Demolish work without a target (like Cleave)?

[vast surge]

Stockholm Syndrome

[fresh spire]

Or its just dead on arrivial

[slow saddle]

100%

[slow saddle]

yes plz just give us a cone and a charge up

[tall flare]

wouldnt mind this and u can move with it but 50% reduced movement or something

[untold pewter]

Aight fuck it, for what it's worth I'll go attack the devs on forums and ask them to change in a post

[fresh spire]

You can move

Just at -99%

[vast surge]

I’ve been saying this since the beta.

[minor gust]

give demolish better sound effects too while we at it

shit aint meaty enough

[vast surge]

It does sound a bit tinny

[untold pewter]

Well, there https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/demolish-colossus-feedback-making-it-a-frontal/2053034
An attempt if anything

Cuz I don't think they read class discords kek

[minor gust]

I thought it would be cool if Demolish worked like Templar strikes from ret pally

go bonk bonk BONK

[vast surge]

I’d like that

Still no target

No target!!

[slow saddle]

tbf

it doesnt fail SO often

[untold pewter]

To me the more annoying part is making sure my position is good before pressing

[slow saddle]

the problem is the lack of reward r?

like if it was 100% an op spell

that would sky rocket us to top

u could live with it

but atm it needs to be played perfectly to be close to slayer which is just way easier to play

then in the whole Sweeping strikes debacle in keys with cleave stacks

[untold pewter]

Oh nah I enjoy colossus in m+

Just demolish is kinda finnicky to use

So I already have been living with it

[untold trench]

When you press, somehow, from somewhere - even if it got to be engi belt - a knockback will be used

[slow saddle]

i do as well but i mean

they rly need to make it simple

make the Cleave happen buff after ravager is done

it would just make u send everything on pull

and now never hold ravager for 5 seconds

it doesnt RLY matter but would just make it way more enjoyable for me at least to play demo

[brazen sigil]

Anyone else hate the new colossus smash/warbreaker animations or just me?

I don’t understand why they feel inclined to make it more visually cluttering for absolutely no reason, and the spectral weapons falling after the armor breaking makes no sense.

[untold pewter]

lmao just type "animation" on the search bar in this channel

[sour bane]

How is warrior after buffs? Is arms better than fury?

[brazen sigil]

YIKES

they could just appeal to both people that wanna lick animator boots and us players that hate it by making a glyph for the old ones lmao

Hell id take a glyph for the old warbreaker from legion

[steep osprey]

Buff Demolish, buff Colossal Might and maybe the precise strikes node and it should be fine

[brazen sigil]

Wouldn’t they also need to allow colossal might to be gained from execute as well? Not sure why they’re aimed to remove that

[steep osprey]

Because you just spammed execute

No

?

[thick kelp]

"Spammed"

[dim basalt]

Depends how you define spamming

[thick kelp]

Tier set forced us down that train

if MS was actually hitting hard

[dim basalt]

In M+ you dont have enough rage to really spam

[thick kelp]

we woulda just done exe xe op ms

[steep osprey]

True

Shit devs strike again

[thick kelp]

Even slayer is back to going exe exe op ms

or exe exe exe

it was all cuz of the shit ass ms

and tierset

[fresh spire]

[dim basalt]

Cant wait to play EB + BL

😩

[fresh spire]

I have bad news

[dim basalt]

Oh no

[fresh spire]

[dim basalt]

Was a better build found

[fresh spire]

It's still 44k behind bis build for colossus

[dim basalt]

Sadge

But I will prob play DK in M+ anyway

Worryer still useless 😦

[steep osprey]

[dim basalt]

CJL is insane yeah

[steep osprey]

these are 2 casts

lol

[dim basalt]

wait what

[steep osprey]

yeah

They're far apart though, it takes quite a bit to get max stacks

[brazen sigil]

Does WW have that legendary from legion effect again or something where they get stacks that buffs a massive CJL?

[steep osprey]

It's their talent yeah

[thick kelp]

what tree they play box

[brazen sigil]

Yeah that was as cool lego

[thick kelp]

show

[steep osprey]

I'm playing this but idk if it's the best one

[brazen sigil]

Kinda weird they just rehashing old stuff tho. A little concerned blizz has lost their innovation.

[dim basalt]

Nothing bad about that

[brazen sigil]

To an extent, best of is always great. Wish they’d do that with warrior.

Give us SL spear back, or blood of the enemy lmao

[steep osprey]

stop giving us more cds

I don't want more cds

[dim basalt]

Spear feels bad

[brazen sigil]

It wouldn’t be as bad if it had CDR tied to it like it used to in SL

The standing in spear shit tho i’m happy is gone

[dim basalt]

cdr would not make it a lot better ngl

Id rather have more rotational abilities than even more cds

[brazen sigil]

Not a lot, but viable in keys and better for prot (in keys)

[dim basalt]

Prot doesnt always take it right now

[brazen sigil]

If you’re pushing high keys you likely want it since getting roar requires more points in things you don’t necessarily need.

And also due to rage gen etc

[dim basalt]

Which things exactly?

[brazen sigil]

What would you want rotationally tho?

[dim basalt]

Like youre not giving up anything really

[brazen sigil]

The haste talents near the bottom and the 2 stam talents

[dim basalt]

Youre not supposed to take the stam talents to begin with

Because stam is useless

[brazen sigil]

It’s not at 15+ keys.

[dim basalt]

Thats a terrible build yeah

But it doesnt matter cuz you will not time or break a key because of a few talent choices

[brazen sigil]

Ok you doing keys above 15?

[dim basalt]

Ive done 15s

¯_(ツ)_/¯

A bad play will get you killed unrelated to the stam

[brazen sigil]

Extra stam provides more wiggle room for BSV,

[dim basalt]

Whereas the additional crit will make you take less damage

[brazen sigil]

That crit doesn’t translate to parry does it? Either way it’s 2%

[dim basalt]

And if youre not taking both spear capstones might as well play roar lol

[dim basalt]

It does afaik, parry haste is also a thing

[wicked aurora]

BSV

[wicked aurora]

Uhhh parry haste is gone?

[brazen sigil]

For keys above 13 you’re goddam right.

[wicked aurora]

Never felt the need in a 14

[brazen sigil]

Also never timed one.

[wicked aurora]

[tough tangle]

[wicked aurora]

The reality is, I've timed 13s in the colossus DPS build. Standard thane should be more than enough in a 14. BSV is overkill in a 14.

Could honestly probably even play colo in 14s.

[brazen sigil]

[wicked aurora]

@dim basalt is also not using BSV in 15s so...

[celest mural]

Um. I think you got the wrong Stpaddy bro

[wicked aurora]

my b fam

[celest mural]

All good lol

[dim basalt]

[dim basalt]

According to nome, no

Was discussed not too long ago

[olive nest]

@wicked aurora Ayye new rat pfp!

[charred brook]

im confused, isnt col fine even in like 17s

[tacit crystal]

i think most people stopped playing colo at like 15s

otherwise giga cancer

[charred brook]

gio

do u have the ptr build that krisp was using

i want to use it in raid testing today

[thick kelp]

which one

[charred brook]

slayer arms

[thick kelp]

CcEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAwMmZGzMjZbWWWmZAAAAwgphZmtZmhhBzYzMzwMMDDAAAAAAAmZWmZmBQGjtlBWADYGmQGYD

[charred brook]

youre the goat

do you have the fury one too

just to try it out

[thick kelp]

ew no

jk

CgEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAjGzYGbmZYGDMLMzMjZMPwwMbbjxMzshZmZmZMzMbDPAMzAAAAxYbZgFwEMDTgBbA

[dim basalt]

Prot Col? Nah, should stop doing that in 15+

[thick kelp]

@charred brook

[charred brook]

i knew u had me

i just had to give it a few mins

ty king

[thick kelp]

Had to go dig up

some fury sims

[tacit crystal]

i just woke up bro @charred brook

[tacit crystal]

my dog slept at my side all night

[charred brook]

very cute

my dog is a 7 month old german shepherd who hasnt realized yet shes not a lapdog

and never relaxes

[icy mulch]

Dawwwww!

I wish I had a dog. I sponsor some foxes, but they don't make good house pets.

[charred brook]

Her before she turned into the monster she is now

[tacit crystal]

guys

its time for aug keys

[charred brook]

lets do 14s

ill get on

[tacit crystal]

i have a 13

😦

[charred brook]

i have an 8

[tacit crystal]

...

[charred brook]

i havent pushed in weeks

[tacit crystal]

just havent dont a key in 6 weeks or

[charred brook]

LOL

im still at like 3050 io

i just stopped

[tacit crystal]

let me hug dog for 10 minutes more

[quaint otter]

How scuffed does it look?

colo stacks xd

[soft gust]

Will there be an option to keep the old warbreaker animation? This new one isn’t my favorite

[silk spade]

ill do 10-11 on baby dk for crests

[tacit crystal]

soon!

6 more minutes

@silk spade @charred brook logging in

[charred brook]

🫡

are we doing rat keys or real keys

[tacit crystal]

i think jsut 10s

[vast surge]

Let blizzard know here https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/new-arms-warrior-animations/2052417

[abstract cairn]

are there any stat caps to keep in mind as arms? or can i just put crit+haste on everything?

[dim basalt]

There are no caps or anything, sim what stat is best

In dungeons you definitely also wanna add some mastery into your gear

[vast surge]

Do we get to a point where secondaries give us enough haste test of might becomes a thing again?

[fresh spire]

Tom issue is 0 scaling with overpower

[vast surge]

True

[fresh spire]

If it was changed to ability>rage it likely would be competitive

[abstract cairn]

well i am asking myself that too, i mainly play with ENh shaman, and on that spec u definitely have stat caps

[vast surge]

You have breakpoints and diminishing returns

[abstract cairn]

but with warrios seems... weird?

[vast surge]

We have the same diminishing returns but we might continue to scale better with haste and crit vs our other stats for longer because of how our kit works I.e. compressing our rotation more in our damage amp windows

But as always simming is the only way to know what stats you need

[dire hinge]

^ arms likes all stats, don’t try and napkin math it yourself

Trust robot

[dim basalt]

Barely any specs have breakpoints or anything

Its always just a sim yourself angle

And speaking of breakpoints, why exactly does enh have one?

That sounds so wrong

[abstract cairn]

after 30% (19.8k haste) is worthless to keep scalling that stat, u will need a lot of mastery until 21k by that point.

[lethal vale]

Does anyone else think it’s kinda weird arms can’t use mountain thane? I mean we use thunderclap regularly already way more than fury ever does

[dim basalt]

That does not answer my question

What youre describing is DR, not breakpoint

[abstract cairn]

it is the same answer the guys on sham disc gave me.

when i asked that.

[dim basalt]

So it just is some DR, not an actual breakpoint

Which cant be answered anyway, as it entirely depends on what gear you have

[lethal vale]

With the slam buffs is it actually used in our rotation? Does anyone know?

[shadow ibex]

Buff finishing blows

Tom needs to be great

[dim basalt]

It still does nothing interesting so just a filler like it is now

[shadow ibex]

Replace jugg with exe always 40 rage and does mega dam

And we can talk

[lethal vale]

Maybe I’m playing wrong but I’m pretty much never have everything off cooldown to even use a filler ability

[dim basalt]

In ST? That sounds wrong

Like what else do you use when MS and OP are on cd

And you can fill 3 gcds until MS is back up again

[lethal vale]

Skull splitter, colossus smash, thunderclap for rend upkeep, execute on slayer proce

[dim basalt]

Yeah and nothing of that needs much attention

[lethal vale]

Fair enough

[dim basalt]

On our court kill I used slam 39 times

And even on super short heroic fights, like BB where our kill time was sub 2 min I had 18 slams

[rare kite]

Pls no. All of Dragonflight we played ToM. Let it stay dead

[shadow ibex]

Finally get to reclear

Buff it or remove it

No point having dead talent

[rare kite]

Remove it

[silk spade]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1151598137773920317/1270481977631440966/attachment.gif

[vast surge]

What would they need to do to make slam feel good to press?
Make it like execute and consume 20-40 rage?
Immediately proc sudden death with some internal CD?

Have skullsplitter replace slam?

[olive nest]

[shadow ibex]

I feel like it should have a place

Or just make something new

Dead choice nodes are dumb

[rare kite]

just make something new. ToM makes our damage profile even flatter

[vast surge]

What if test of might built stacks that made our next CS or WB increase our damage by 30+x% giving us a mega burst of damage based on rage spent in the previous CS window?

You’d have more control to burst a priority target down

[shadow ibex]

Because iftk is already burst option

It amps your DMG windows

[vast surge]

2 flavours of burst

[shadow ibex]

That's redundant

One will be better

[vast surge]

Double the burst thrice the fun

[opaque anchor]

here's how to redesign slam: high damage, high rage cost but every non-slam attack used reduces the rage cost

reset once slam is used

[teal fossil]

Idk if you would call it slam at that point

Call it something cooler

[teal fossil]

Slam actually does decent damage right now