Btw #arms
#arms
steep osprey
Lmao
dire hinge
Ainโt much to talk about (in general) atm to be honest
shy tide
both specs performance on the ptr is sus
and i think it started with yapping about how furys dps kinda sucks compared to arms atm on the ptr even before execute
magic canopy
CURSE OF RA ON WARRIOR DPS ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ก ๐ข ๐ฃ ๐ค ๐ฅ ๐ฆ ๐ง ๐จ ๐ฉ ๐ช ๐ซ ๐ฌ ๐ญ ๐ฎ ๐ฏ ๐ฐ ๐ฑ ๐ฒ ๐ณ ๐ด ๐ต ๐ถ ๐ท ๐ธ ๐น ๐บ ๐ป ๐ผ ๐ฝ ๐พ ๐ฟ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐
just look at critcakes stream title man
we are in doomium stasis rn
shadow ibex
I love being the only class without a substantial remake for 2 expacs
Shit evoker got a whole other spec
unborn canyon
you right, 4th warrior spec ic
shadow ibex
Meanwhile I'm doing the dance of death
Love a blue to justify that talent
Fucking war bringer devs
Love being told things by people who only just recently discovered war breaker and war bringer are different things
shadow ibex
No idea how they get work done over the deafening cacophony their clown shoes make in the office
shadow ibex
it is scuffed how many times they messed that up
Everytime WB was in a note they made the mistake
Straight up just never played the arms spec
unborn canyon
obtuse copper
Henlo smelly
naive sage
Impossible, I never crit, despite the clear fact that I'm absolutely bananas...
olive nest
Love a blue to justify that talent
coughs
shadow ibex
Gotta rework mage talents and other hero specs
Best we can do is remove demo stacks from exe with no compensation
The three button spec was using one of its 3 buttons too much I guess
shadow ibex
Don't touch the open world on death talent at the bottom of the fucking tree tho
Or spiteful or tom nah perfectly ok for choice nodes to not be a choice
naive sage
In guild they're lowkey asking me to play demon hunter 
gusty nymph
There is hope until the end of the PTR ๐
naive sage
I mean I am ok with not playing warrior
But I want to play a spec which won't make me wait for 3 hours for a key
gusty nymph
I donโt do m+ anymore so i removed this difficulty. I feel you though
slow saddle
But I want to play a spec which won't make me wait for 3 hours for a key
Dh tank
M+ is ok atm. Ngl once u gdt used to it.
quaint otter
But I want to play a spec which won't make me wait for 3 hours for a key
u have 2 blue classes to chose tho
naive sage
u have 2 blue classes to chose tho
Played shaman already this season, dh is needed
minor gust
If not meta
Even meta there's still a queue because there's always someone better than you. If you want easier invites gotta tank or heal
slow saddle
Oh ye, 100% but way less queue
U do u need consistently to be higher than avg ilvl and rio
Ofc
minor gust
Yee it's the reality people need to accept if you want an easier time getting into keys play a tank or healer
slow saddle
I tanked 10s until i had gear not to
So i could dps
Though this season hasnt been as fun as tank
After the changes to stops
quaint otter
ngl this season wasnt fun as dps also
minor gust
Yeah I honestly believe the best thing they could possibly do is make tanking and healing fun to play
minor gust
Make tanks do giga dmg again like in MOP and remove every defensive but one from all DPS and giga buff healers. Healers should be in complete control of keeping the group alive.
shadow ibex
What if your healer is bad
Everyone unable to play the game because this guy is clicking holy light
minor gust
Sucks to suck shouldn't have invited the guy
It's not fun as a healer watching people die because dps is bad and they didn't pop a defensive.
And then healer gets blamed
shy tide
i had like 80% uptime and went all in on all the BT talents for the best result for me, but yeah it was closer to like 7-10% ish depending on the UF proc luck
smoky kayak
I don't think it's something we'll lean all into, more looking at it as just an extra source of dam, similar to CSHB
I don't hate it either way though
shy tide
i dont like that the dmg can be backloaded for more than a minute
which is suposed to be your "major" cd
smoky kayak
Well it's not reck doing that
smoky kayak
Reck itself hasn't changed, this is just something extra coming off of it
minor gust
Reck itself hasn't changed, this is just something extra coming off of it
Do you like new RA or old RA more. I'm gonna miss old RA
smoky kayak
Only pitfalls I see are quickly phasing bosses/target swaps, but at least AM exists as an option if that serves to really diminish RA (or perhaps just prio CB instead of BB?)
Otherwise it doesn't really bother me because it's fairly static. UF procs aside, and I'm still not even convinced we'll use UF anyway, there's no RNG as to whether or not you'll be able to build the DoT or not
smoky kayak
Do you like new RA or old RA more. I'm gonna miss old RA
I like the concept of old RA, but I am inclined to agree with the dev's reasoning that it adds a lot of rotational complication without actually changing all that much
But I do like this new version a lot more than the old-old versions where you just got one use of the ability
Ultimately, I think reception is going to be based on how powerful and impactful it feels
e.g. if we end up prioritizing Rampage/Execute/TB/whatever and don't even care about the BB/CB pushes
minor gust
Yeah the nature of over capping rage to spend RA was cursed but I did enjoy the gameplay RA provided. I like there's more power being put into reck but I don't like that it's at the expense of RA instead of reck itself
smoky kayak
meh, even AM overcaps rage quite often, so that doesn't really bother me
I appreciate that the two play differently though; I don't want everything to feel homogenized, or what's the point in having talents to begin with?
minor gust
yeah ofc
honestly my dream for fury would be to have a build with a different spender. Ultimate way for fury to feel different. Like I remember Xan suggesting this but bring execute back as a spender. Have execute benefit from rampage talents and once 35% hits execute becomes the goto spender. Kinda give that same feeling Arms has as the boss progresses your gameplay changes
steep osprey
Xan made a mock-up of fury talent tree and itโs pretty good honestly
minor gust
yeah I really enjoyed it
shadow ibex
RA is gonna feel so ass if we get something like fyrak who just dips out for intermission
gaunt owl
Xan made a mock-up of fury talent tree and itโs pretty good honestly
sadly Xan isnt working at blizzard shitertainment
shadow ibex
or smth like nymue
minor gust
RA is gonna feel so ass if we get something like fyrak who just dips out for int...
yeah that shit would def make RA unplayable unless timings are on our side
charred brook
wait so how long does the BB bleed last
is it like a long lasting bleed or something
i really have just been playing AM on ptr
wait wtf this is arms channel
eager sigil
wait so how long does the BB bleed last
like 50s if you fully stack it
shadow ibex
Then we wouldnโt be playing RA
assuming its supposed to be ST option you'd just lose whatever % on ST going to AM just cuz unwieldy minute long dot ability
thats bad design to me imo
like nymue for example had 0 aoe so you wouldnt even be able to make the case that at least you'll have BS and such for a grp of adds you wouldnt otherwise have
subtle brook
Apologies if this has been asked already, my guild is asking if Iโll still be playing arms for alt, is the gameplay looking better next tier? IMO this tier was meh, thought the rotation was mediocre and our damage nothing special
Basically was having way less fun on arms this tier than last expac
shadow ibex
at least you arent fishing for 4pc
nova marsh
Fatality now scales with everything
....so we running it?
minor gust
currently yes
nova marsh
Whelp I'm staying rnghance
Lmafo
So is the idea to align evreything humanly possible for 30%?
minor gust
wdym you don't want to suffer with us?
nova marsh
Na fam i did that for 5 years
shadow ibex
hopefully the fataltiy shit is fixed
nova marsh
I'd like to not feel like playing wow is CBT
shadow ibex
no way they think thats good gameplay
hexed saddle
honestly my dream for fury would be to have a build with a different spender. Ul...
20%*
minor gust
the difference of fatality with no cds and with cds is like 3% and 9%
nova marsh
Bro what
minor gust
of your total dmg
subtle brook
ok so basically arms is not looking better next tier is what im hearing
hexed saddle
real
minor gust
ok so basically arms is not looking better next tier is what im hearing
As it currently stands gameplay wise no. But theres still 4 or 5 weeks left till 11.1 things can still easily change
silk spade
im down for anything man just make exe a real button for fury
cosmetic button on thane
very funny
minor gust
olive nest
half vine
so what did the warrior community do to piss off the devs so the ptr changes were reverted? did we piss in the cheerios?
nova marsh
We existed lmao
Blizz probally thought numbers like that would rip a hole in space time
tender ermine
If anyone who raids as arms has a minute, I've put a post in log reviews looking for some help, thanks in advance!
half vine
ya, can't have anything slightly challenge shaman balance with class utility and dps tuning balance.
magic canopy
yo @fresh spire
for ptr whats our right side look like
is it actually -blord and deft for crit/jug?
smoky kayak
hypothetically yes Jugg would take Deft -> BL, but Colossus is kinda downbad atm
magic canopy
hmmge
smoky kayak
Slayer is still pretty much the same, with the addition of Fatality
magic canopy
we can drop SkS for almost no loss i know that
is what im looking ar rn
but i feel not not having jugg as slayer kinda weirdge
smoky kayak
SkS currently looks minor (although still a gain), but gotta stress that this is very far from complete
magic canopy
oh im just shuffling some stuff around for thursday testing
smoky kayak
At this point, with bleed talents falling off, SkS is more used for the extra rage than damage
magic canopy
i do wish Collosus was better since that would be fun
charred brook
Yeah same
SkS during my testing 100% seemed like a filler/rage gen than anything
although i would prefer to not run it
smoky kayak
Even TWords is all but dedge
charred brook
do you guys feel the proc rate of the 4pc should be upped just a littlke
smoky kayak
i do wish Collosus was better since that would be fun
It needs compensation for the Colossal Might change
charred brook
or have we compared its proc rates to other classes 4 sets
magic canopy
yeah losing execute was big
if the proc rate was high idk that amount of haste all the time is kinda crazy
smoky kayak
Not actually as big as you'd think, but big enough to drop it behind Slayer
charred brook
Yeah you definitely do feel the haste as soon as you get it too
smoky kayak
and they've buffed some stuff since, but none of it is Colossus specific, so Slayer ends up buffed as well
charred brook
Just sucks because if we have to play around hoping fatal lines up with CDs and sweating to try to maintain 4pc uptime
its gonna just feel like a literal slot machine
the 100 parsers are gonna just be people with giga luck
magic canopy
thats always been 100 parses tho
charred brook
Good CD lineups with fatal + good 4 set procs + good SD procs
yeah it for sure is to an extent
But this feels egregious a bit
Maybe it just SEEMS like its a lot when writing it out comparatively; playing it certainly didn't FEEL bad
I'm just worried that with fatal changes + 4pc changes + existing proc issues with slayer
It's going to be a lot compounded
All in all i'm definitely excited to hopefully play arms next tier, but I won't say some of the things so far have me nervous haha
silk spade
can we get a permaban on madox
he called me ''stinky'' in game
tacit crystal
https://tenor.com/view/spearhyunho-gif-13383730740069411006
help
magic canopy
i swapped off of blord deft to jugg for slayer idk
ill be real ill let blizzard do a tuning pass then ill let the math men decide whats best
smoky kayak
Just sucks because if we have to play around hoping fatal lines up with CDs and ...
current tech is just to kind of ignore it, unless they happen to line up very closely anyway
charred brook
well thats what im assuming anyways
it just means basically u get lucky or u dont
which...feelsbadman but theres nothing u can do about it so whatever
smoky kayak
I mean I'd prefer that over specifically holding CS/Ava for it
charred brook
oh definitely
smoky kayak
Fatality is worth using atm, but Fatal Mark doesn't contribute that much of your damage, so it's not like there's a major swing between buffing it with CS/Ava or not
smoky kayak
at least until there's a boss with a damage amp at 30% 
shadow ibex
thats pretty substantial
smoky kayak
if you had CDs when it popped
the way you word that implies that it's 3% without CDs and 10% with, which is not true
It can have a pretty big range due to RNG on # of stacks, but tends to average around 4-5% of your damage. If it's 5%, buffing that by 20% is +1% extra - not insignificant, but hardly "praying you parse" territory
charred brook
So its enough to where if you get lucky, it's awesome, but if you don't, still not the end of the world
It would be nice if that wasnt the case, but I can definitely live with that
smoky kayak
I mean I wouldn't consider it the end of the world, no; most players output isn't consistent enough for that to be a make or break situation
charred brook
So then, and if you don't have any idea of this number yet it's fine, what would be the variance in your DPS based on the proc percentage of the 4 set
Is that another 1% variance?
smoky kayak
even a best case situation of buffing that 5% by 1.2 & 1.3 = 7.8%, that's +2.8% extra damage you got from the alignment
- realistically, it's probably less, because you're trading that alignment for whenever else you would have had Avatar/CS triggering (it's not just a net gain of having CS/Ava or not)
smoky kayak
So then, and if you don't have any idea of this number yet it's fine, what would...
not sure what you mean, like whether or not the 4p procs during CS?
charred brook
Sorry I'm trying to figure out the correct way to word it
smoky kayak
I'm not sure a whole lot of analysis has gone into it either way, since it's not really a controllable aspect of gameplay
fresh spire
we can drop SkS for almost no loss i know that
Slayer
charred brook
What would a variance pull to pull look like for 4p procs, how much do you gain from good procs vs bad procs
charred brook
And I don't know if this is even a calculatable number tbh
I suppose simulations would give the average anyways I'm just curious about the variations between them
smoky kayak
What would a variance pull to pull look like for 4p procs, how much do you gain ...
could probably mock something up, but it's hard to assign a number to that yeah - the set does have some RNG, but it kind of mitigates itself because more time between procs = bigger proc, and more frequent procs = smaller procs (potential refresh chains notwithstanding)
fresh spire
Currently Cruel strikes is better than the roar capstones but only .6 so moment aoe comes in Cruel dies to Roar capstones
Sks was -.3% if you want to drop it for Finishing blows/Bloodborne. Dropping fatal for deft is -.6 (though fatal is a wild card right now while it looks good im sure it will purely be down to boss length/cooldown line up timing for popping it right now for it to be more than exceptional)
charred brook
True
I'm curious to see what a giga pull would be like, like an insane uptime of 4p + fatal mark giga pop lol
smoky kayak
there's not really any good way to quantify that particular scenario atm
charred brook
Yeah I figured
fresh spire
hardest it hits on the max sim on 5 mins is 32m with cooldowns, this isnt even covering end bosses lasting up to 10 mins sometimes
charred brook
What's the highest simming spec you guys have gotten so far?
fresh spire
ofc line ups of Avatar/cs are game changing if they do but not worth holding for
smoky kayak
you can look at max hits, yeah, or you can look at the max iteration (but that's the confluence of a lot of RNG going right, not just the set in particular)
charred brook
Are you guys doing a public sim sheet again like pre patch or not this time around
smoky kayak
hardest it hits on the max sim on 5 mins is 32m with cooldowns, this isnt even c...
plus all the phasing; a real 10m boss fight is usually not 10m of actual uptime
and that's assuming stacks don't fall off either ๐
fresh spire
ill make something more public after main tuning, since me writing a whole blog for it to be irrelevent after a tune
minor gust
and that's assuming stacks don't fall off either ๐
Raz moment
charred brook
Oh for sure
charred brook
Raz moment
There's a few fights like this in the new raid I fear
fresh spire
Raz moment
getting last gcd on main platform and hitting at end of intermission was so fucking scuffffed
then they buffed the duration feelsgudman
smoky kayak
but yeah, like Fish said, there's still a lot of tuning to come, so it's kind of preemptive to spend a whole lot of time speculating on best XYZ
charred brook
Yeah this is just shit I love to think about so I'm being nosey sorry lol
fresh spire
went overboard last time constantly trying to keep shit updated when most of it died 7 days after, burn out over nothing
smoky kayak
even though everyone loves to think and talk about that stuff as early as possible, it's usually pointless
fresh spire
ill have better stuff closer to patch date when its given
smoky kayak
went overboard last time constantly trying to keep shit updated when most of it ...
if only someone warned you about that ๐
fresh spire
i had fun doing it though ๐
smoky kayak
For sure
fresh spire
since i had nothing to do
smoky kayak
and tbh it doesn't matter how many times someone tells you "yeah it doesn't really matter right now" you still wanna know, it's fun to think about and look into
doesn't really register until you personally spend all that time doing it only to realize "ok yeah, none of that mattered whatsoever"
charred brook
If you guys ever want help running the sims definitely reach out, I love to do this shit and could maybe help you guys not be swamped
Nights like tonight where I'm not doing shit
naive sage
The only thing I need to know is if havoc will be decent or poop
charred brook
Sitting here listening to streams wondering what to do with myself lmao
fresh spire
play ff7 rebirth
smoky kayak
the best way to get involved is to just get involved - you have access to all the same tools everyone else does, so you don't need to wait for an invitation ๐
smoky kayak
play ff7 rebirth
I'm playing Remake right now, it's... ok
charred brook
True true
fresh spire
i wont say much as i went into this game blind and i think its been the best thing i could have done
smoky kayak
it's not bad, there are just a lot of aspects of modern JRPG design that I'm not a big fan of
magic canopy
Currently Cruel strikes is better than the roar capstones but only .6 so moment ...
roger ty
fresh spire
im guessing with the new testing coming this week is first round of major tuning on classes
smoky kayak
FF16 had the same problem - emphasis on flash over substance, often mediocre VA/translations, lots of anime-isms. It's just not really my thing anymore
fresh spire
i never got around to playing 16, only found out it actually released on pc recently ๐
smoky kayak
it's got a great surface, just without much depth
a lot like FF7; the combat is flashy and that can be fun, but the novelty can wear off pretty quick once you realize that the buttons you're pressing don't really matter all that much
fresh spire
when the scan mechanic is the most important :ohno:
smoky kayak
FWIW, 7 is a little better about this, but normal mode is such a joke that there's no real point to using most debuffs or combinations outside of some boss fights
for real though, games like Nioh spoiled the shit out of me; as much as I love Dark Souls, NG, DMC, etc; the gameplay feels kinda boring by comparison now
fresh spire
honey bee inn was wild
longer midgar does it so much justice for building up the cast
smoky kayak
Yeah, I was really curious how they were going to stretch one game out into three, but they did a pretty nice job
fresh spire
2nd part has covered an insane amount of story so far and it doesn't feel rushed or paced bad
smoky kayak
I do kinda wish they hadn't introduced Sep so quickly in Remake though; he was a much more mysterious and enigmatic character in the original
fresh spire
nah you will understand why they did
smoky kayak
I mean I already do, and tbf I already knew the story anyway so it wasn't really going to matter to me
overall it's a decent game; not my favorite but it's good enough
maiden moat
someone know anything about this new circlet Gem strategie ? how do it work ? you just funnel dmg into one person or is it realy a raid increase dps?
eager sigil
someone know anything about this new circlet Gem strategie ? how do it work ? yo...
wowhead has the gem guide
maiden moat
... its not like i didtn know how the gems work, seems like there are some new gem stack method, 16 people take the ring who can proc other rings and 4 guys deal massiv ring dmg, but ye
smoky kayak
yeah suicide strat, and wcl will prob ban you for it
maiden moat
who care about wcl ๐ if its ncie for the raid ๐
lean geode
It's not even more raid dps overall is it?
signal isle
is it just me or does colossus just feel awful to play in ST
I just find myself wanting to play slayer at all times but from what I see noone really plays it in keys
rare kite
is it just me or does colossus just feel awful to play in ST
it has pretty ass ST yea... the aoe is so good tho
shadow ibex
without crit thinking your execute phase is a struggle
and you want BL to not feel awful and you need ravager for rage and free MS
super strapped on talents and still no compensation since the exe change
quiet yacht
wew
signal isle
yeah aoe pulls feel amazing. i feel like im hitting bosses with a pool noodle on ST though lol
wish slayer aoe could compete. that spec feels nice to play imo
unique pecan
does warbreaker not have a spell ID for the buff?
id like to be able to track the length of the dmg buff
probably not since its specific to one target?
as well as is there a reason i cant find a colossal might stack WA?
lean geode
It is specific to your target (it's a debuff on them, not a buff on you) but you can still track it with a wa
1 sec I can send you mine
It's literally just a bar that tracks the debuff
unique pecan
ill take a look after this dung ty
quiet yacht
weak rain
Currently Cruel strikes is better than the roar capstones but only .6 so moment ...
fucking hell, I knew cruel strikes will pull ahead of roar capstones, this is gonna be so cancer to play
thick kelp
Cosmetic point omE
latent moss
also more crit = more rage gen more exe crits more big numbers real
troar is boring anyway
steep osprey
yo
tacit crystal
oy
steep osprey
gio
tacit crystal
caja
thick kelp
u just roar less on st
Just dont take roar at all
minor gust
what a fucking cursed timeline that warlords torment is the best capstone
steep osprey
based
minor gust
Free my soul from this dogshit spec
fresh spire
Got to remember roar/spear have had not damage buffs in ages
Everything else has been buffed but not them
Also roar capstone was nerfed too
fresh spire
Die bleeds die
brittle fiber
Die Arms die**
astral yarrow
Just dont take roar at all
getting changed thursday 
icy mulch
tacit crystal
icy mulch
swift crown
We need to stop normalizing chinese gambling game
icy mulch
I've honestly never played one. Unless you count First Descendants. Even then, I never did anything in the cash shop.
I don't see the draw of random characters to play the game with.
swift crown
It's not random if you pay enough
icy mulch
We're better at hiding it. lol
dim basalt
More like more ashamed
Like some dudes are genuinely unhinged out there
So its pretty normalized for guys nowadays
icy mulch
You have a point. That does seem to be more of a younger generation thing.
dim basalt
Being unhinged in public? Yeah kind of
quasi torrent
It's not random if you pay enough
okay vil
dim basalt
But at the same time older men are not really conservative either, especially when anonymous
At least thats the case in Germany
quasi torrent
But at the same time older men are not really conservative either, especially wh...
gutefrage.net moment
icy mulch
My area of the world, and generation were more modest I guess? Though we did have that whole goth/emo phase and the 80s techno wave. Lol
dim basalt
Am I weird?
Yes, welcome to the club of weirdos
stone marsh
I've seen videos and everyone says arms has shitty/weird gameplay, but I don't know I kind of enjoy it
dim basalt
It definitely has some flaws, mainly juggernaut imo
stone marsh
I like sending stuff, not aligning 17 cooldown windows together like all classes
stone marsh
All other clases I played are like this is your 45 second CD window and your 1.5 min windows with your 1.5m trinket. Now they always should align
dim basalt
Plus roar and sks
stone marsh
Feels like very rehearsed and boring after a while
dim basalt
There are some cases where our things dont align but most of the time they do
stone marsh
Im playing slayer btw haha
thick kelp
Warrior doesnt have such window cuz our CDS are fake
stone marsh
Also execute feels good
I lie the animation and sound
Like
I don't know I just played it and it's fun,just wanted to know if it was a hot take given what I've heard
stone marsh
For s1 or the next one?
dim basalt
Specifically melees are in shambles
stone marsh
Always
dim basalt
S1 was melee favoured imo
dim basalt
Even in raid most bosses felt way better as melee
Only exception is Ovinax I believe
purple puddles on a purple flow beneath a massive boss
fun times
stone marsh
Tbh I didn't think melee was favored this raid. But I only did 4/8M
Like sikran was better as ranged
Ulgrax since you couldn't dps as melee during pull and you could as ranged
Ky veza it was annoying to be in melee all clumped up during intermission, while ranged has more freedom of spacing
dim basalt
Ranged dont have it easier on Sikran
Cant cast at all during puddles
Unless theyre lucky and/or mobile
stone marsh
I was playing mage maybe that's why
dim basalt
Pug Kyveza is prob pain ye
On myth everyone has a set position so nothing can really happen
stone marsh
On myth everyone has a set position so nothing can really happen
I saw this and couldn't help but feel.bad about the fury and unholy
dim basalt
That only happens if you have too many melees lmao
stone marsh
Haha yeah
dim basalt
But not sure why the tanks get to stay on boss, should definitely go far in that case
stone marsh
Man, I don't know how people played havoc this season
I tried it and it felt very bad
stone marsh
After how smoothly it played in the past
stone marsh
Its better next season with DF S3 built in
That was wild that they removed any means necessary
We'll see what happens with their stat scaling now
cloud gyro
(REVERTED) Class Tuning Hotfixes on 11.1 PTR for January 24th - Warrior Buffs
dim basalt
Same post
fresh spire
You can stack melee in a line and have two. One right at hitbox one behind max melee range. We did on prog. 2 melee on each line
weary hull
brittle fiber
I like sending stuff, not aligning 17 cooldown windows together like all classes
Old arms had a cleaner rotation given you were pressing your abilities correctly. Doesnโt feel good when youโre delaying bladestorm because youre at 2 sudden death stacks or cancelling it early to maintain juggernaut.
stone marsh
Old arms had a cleaner rotation given you were pressing your abilities correctly...
Maybe that's where i"m playing it wrong, I'm not delaying anything unless something else (like colossus smash) is coming off in a few seconds
brittle fiber
Maybe that's where i"m playing it wrong, I'm not delaying anything unless someth...
You want to maintain juggernaut as best as you can, but that and skullsplitter are two of my main gripes with the class atm
slow saddle
Idm skullsplitter tnh
Id just wish it felt more impactfull
Its just 1 rend insteqd of slam
Or tc
brittle fiber
Iโve personally never been a fan of flat 15-30 second cd abilities
Like cs is somewhat that but you at least work towards shortening itโs cd. Coming from monk, wdp and strike of the windlord are more annoying than anything
slow saddle
Hmm, cs gives u haste so feels good to push
Sks doenst feel like it does anything
Dmg is good
Felt better when it was a burst
brittle fiber
I still hated it when it was a burst
slow saddle
Even if it was even worse to play around it
It was super usefull in keys
And u didnr talent it in raid
To me at least better niche
stone marsh
You want to maintain juggernaut as best as you can, but that and skullsplitter a...
Ah I don't play juggernaut in keys. Should I?
brittle fiber
Not in keys
languid bane
Is arms gonna be stronger then fury?
tacit crystal
๐ฎ
icy mulch
Stop using that bowling trophy. Lol
woven wasp
...
tacit crystal
https://tenor.com/view/robin-hood-fortune-teller-future-prediction-gif-25704815
so your vote is for this to be the default?
quasi ledge
Upvote.
icy mulch
so your vote is for this to be the default?
Hell yeah, classic Disney Robin Hood. Love that opening song.
tacit crystal
Would you be mad if I said I barely remembered this movie
coral crescent
gray herald
๐ฎ
๐ซด
brittle fiber
๐จโ๐ซ according to my calculations, warrior will be bottom of the barrel. Please reroll to evoker.
brittle fiber
Rend > tr > ava + cs > bs
Vs
3 disintegrates followed by a 4th one
Cant wait for evoker to get the demon hunter treatment
quaint otter
Rend > tr > ava + cs > bs
Vs
3 disintegrates followed by a 4th one
actually its breath > dragonrage > breath > star > surge > disintegrates
๐
icy mulch
No, depending how old you are or how much of a Disney kid you were, would make a massive difference.
quaint otter
๐ค
bitter escarp
๐ค
steep osprey
Anyone playing SoD?
tacit crystal
๐จโ๐ซ according to my calculations, warrior will be bottom of the barrel. Please...
too late
ive been playing aug bro
I'm not getting into keys with kess playing warrior but I am as aug
All I'm saying
wooden lava
@tacit crystal I leveled and started playing on my priest
spriest is gonna be big next patch
fresh spire
Would you be mad if I said I barely remembered this movie
Same tbh
magic canopy
fury doesnt want as much crit so its like kinda decent
but losing a ring of stats makes it better to have a crafted or well statted ring over seal
arms likes crit so it doesnt matter for it
wooden lava
but losing a ring of stats makes it better to have a crafted or well statted rin...
Yeah, I thought similarly as well
I'll just keep my crafted haste/mast ring for fury
and crank with this bad boy on arms
misty sandal
Finally have a transmitter from vault after 3 months 
halcyon valve
Gg
fresh spire
fresh spire
fury doesnt want as much crit so its like kinda decent
Fury wants less weakauras too
Are people ready for overpower weakaura in s2
swift crown
Only if there's 2 conditionals which both have 3 states
So I can visually represent the state of the buffs by UwU OwO and >w<
fresh spire
;w;
magic canopy
fresh spire
something about overpower getting max prio when stacks or something
lemme call the magic bowling ball one sec
๐ฎ Tell me your secrets magic bowling ball
"you will overpower when 7 stacks of winning streak"
@thick kelp
magic canopy
i mean
does that also include when you have x stacks of the 4piece buff
to keep it rolling
thick kelp
:mewing
magic canopy
i love it when the weak aura tells me how to play da game
dim basalt
Dont think youre gonna hold
Use it the same as right now
Just with a higher prio once you reach higher stacks
Not like we are starving OP
sharp wyvern
thats what i think too
and we are using it so much its just gonna reset whenever
dim basalt
@fresh spire Does the APL also have the stacking implemented?
fresh spire
trying to prioritize OP when it has a 15% chance to proc the tier is kinda yikes
worth it for damage let alone proc it seems
steep osprey
fresh spire
i love it when the weak aura tells me how to play da game
i heard people like SD weakauras so now we got one for op and one for ms in execute
sharp wyvern
you forget we are gonna get a bunch of 5% -10% haste just based on our rotational OPs
fresh spire
Weakaura spec be like
sharp wyvern
i heard people like SD weakauras so now we got one for op and one for ms in exec...
SD+ marked for execution stacks
we also have one for OP resets already
dim basalt
What WA for MS?
sharp wyvern
oh no
sharp wyvern
you mean the MS WA that takes EP and Tierset into account?
steep osprey
steep osprey
They're not really
10 is still 10
the proggression is just smoother
and the keys are now easier
dim basalt
ye 7% per level instead of 10% is big
sharp wyvern
well it does give more gilded now
steep osprey
that's true but it's not really something you have to do if you don't want to
sharp wyvern
i just remembered there is a cap at the start of the season anyway
so you wont actually need that
dim basalt
Tho if theyre not tuning the dungeons properly it might not feel easier honestly
With how much aoe damage there is
sharp wyvern
thats just dungeon designe at this point
actually tahts just an issue with m+ at some point you just reach a level where an aoe oneshots
but does that realy mean it needs to be nerfed ?
dim basalt
No
sharp wyvern
cause then the keys are just getting higher and you run into the same issue
dim basalt
With pugs? Meh
sharp wyvern
10s are actually getting harder the later in the season you do them cause all the bad people catch up
safe spoke
Ehhh maybe if u can clear heroic raid week 2, but thatโs not normal
dim basalt
If you cant craft shield, take shield
dim basalt
Crafting shield and then going either helmet or trinket would be better
Technically helmet is better, but trinket is rare
worldly cedar
why is skarmorac so good? isnt mastery not so great as a stat?
dim basalt
Plus MDM is kinda bad for dungeons
dim basalt
why is skarmorac so good? isnt mastery not so great as a stat?
Mastery is good but not worth stacking
Last prio does not equal bad
worldly cedar
makes sense, thanks
viral locust
With how much aoe damage there is
Going to be even harder to find healers this season for sure ๐คฃ
dim basalt
Probably yeah lmao
dim basalt
Still stupid that they removed one of discs coolest spells
viral locust
Anything with aoe/party wide damage reduce going to be potential meta candidates mass barrier, barrier, zephyr, amz etc for sure with amount of aoe on alot of packs
Warrior shout should be improved shout for 5 player content or something
magic canopy
Well none ever took inspiring presence so they removed that from us
silk spade
https://tenor.com/view/hatsune-miku-gif-26297771
delete this
reef glade
Well none ever took inspiring presence so they removed that from us
yea was low pick rate
they gave us other much better and impactful talents like -1 second cdr on reflectโฆ. Haha wow coolโฆ
magic canopy
untold trench
Is it a whole sec on SR? 
reef glade
idk just guesstimated 5% 1/20 and 25 sec cd so a second and some
and likeโฆ a few sec of dbts and er and shit
yippee
untold trench
That is really powerful, prob needs a look at - sounds like a nerf angle
reef glade
pick rate must be insane for that utility
Vs making our big group defensive twice as strong
fresh spire
https://tenor.com/view/joel-spinning-fish-joel-pride-emote-gif-26200960
:holy:
i can hear the song
magic canopy
i can hear the song
shadow ibex
Vs making our big group defensive twice as strong
reef glade
shadow ibex
Good thing we still have them but not better rally huh
how I sleep knowing dance of death is safe in our tree
rapid bronze
Will die on the hill that this talent should be PvE and it will solve all warrior mplus utility issues
reef glade
real perhaps
shadow ibex
donโt even know what that is or what it does
We must protect dance of death at all costs
It is an integral part of the arms tree
reef glade
that the like increase rav duration on kills during it or something
immensely powerful
naive sage
It is an integral part of the arms tree
The never picked talent
Even worse than spiteful serenity
reef glade
must be picked by self found build pioneers
like the guy on Reddit comparing the useability of smf with the most Frankenstein cooked build imagineable
No avatar, spends the point on menace intim shout instead
truly an innovator
naive sage
must be picked by self found build pioneers
Ah yes just like me picking alpha wolf as enhancement shaman and saving the loadout naming it โtrollโ
shadow ibex
With talents like spiteful and dance of death who needs enemies
Make your spec the boss fight
shadow ibex
I still love that they took resources to rework dance of death
That shit makes me cackle
Instead of just pressing Del on the keyboard
That was someone's job. To rework an on kill effect capstone talent into another on kill effect capstone talent
timber lynx
shadow ibex
I want to get paid to make things like spiteful and the new SoS too mom
timber lynx
I just want to go back to legion cs resets
daring heron
based
gaunt owl
https://tenor.com/view/power-infusion-pi-thdlock-thdwide-thdpi-gif-1055632555531...
dont be greedy you are getting wider
MS into CS into MS into CS
infinite jackpot
gaunt owl
current tactician feel like doodoo
timber lynx
Op just doesnt feel good
gaunt owl
we had the mastery to go with it too
timber lynx
True
gaunt owl
to giga enhance CS and it all went from there
fresh spire
https://tenor.com/view/power-infusion-pi-thdlock-thdwide-thdpi-gif-1055632555531...
if im not invalidating my log am i even trying
timber lynx
Miss when my guild had two priests in df and i was just eating piโs to the face
quaint otter
Literal peak gameplay
how bout this?
naive sage
how bout this?
Delete
quaint otter
zero tacticians 
thick kelp
Somethings missing
quaint otter
i had screenshot of 6-7 ms in a row tho
thick kelp
quaint otter
New Talent: slam benefits from op and doesnt drop its stacks
slow saddle
Kek
slow saddle
I mean no more amps
slow saddle
Op stack max 1
Plz 1
Op - ms - op- ms . Execute instead of slam when 35%
Idm pressing slam more
If ms baseline is better
So the eb is more fun
naive sage
If ms baseline is better
Easy job, they should 10x its damage
naive sage
I said 3m base damage thank you 
shadow ibex
i wish slam had literally any interaction with the spec
instead of "it spends rage and so AM"
idk if this were any other class it'd have anything tied to it
naive sage
Steady shot (most stupid filler ever) gives mm focus and haste %
shadow ibex
p sure frost strike even does something for DK
with oblit it gives killing machine
nvm they got like 3 interactions
shadow ibex
i think AM and tact are a bit of a reach
its more the spending rage
not slam actually
you can get the same result with rend
shadow ibex
i was thinking something like the DK thing there
spending rage is literally the bar being on the floor
eager sigil
no you are just cherry picking what fits your narrative here
slow saddle
Slam, makes next slam, slam slam
eager sigil
because this is the same
slow saddle
I got it
naive sage
Slam is bland and does not have any meaningful interaction with anything stop arguing for the sake of it
shadow ibex
there isnt a single talent in our spec tree that modifies slam
there's FoB which modifies cleave/WW
eager sigil
yea and we press it mega rarely
shadow ibex
thats not a defense of it not having any modifiers
that's not a good thing
to have a button pressed 12 times an encounter
its good if that button feels like shit to press which it does
but what kind of defense of slam is that?
naive sage
I find myself pressing it hoping for a tactician and getting angry
This is its only usefulness
shadow ibex
at least we dont have to use it often?
naive sage
Making me angry
quaint otter
I slam my table at that moments
naive sage
Has a good name?
Thatโs why blizzard makes everything about overpower, as I said before
slow saddle
Thatโs why blizzard makes everything about overpower, as I said before
Powerover
naive sage
Itโs over
quaint otter
joever
quaint otter
had even more
stone marsh
Well at least slam
It's funny because I use a sword
Why would I slam my target with a sword?
slow saddle
Pommel slam
sharp wyvern
rename slam to strike if you are using a weapon with sharp edges
maybe even put heroic infron of it
misty sandal
maybe even put heroic infron of it
Like some heroic strike?
sharp wyvern
Yeah maybe
woven wasp
maybe even put heroic infron of it
lament elbow
notes out
hollow bane
charred brook
I wanna see the new visuals
gusty oxide
ITS HERE
last inlet
misty sandal
Is arms back again?
halcyon valve
Show
errant goblet
i dont know how to record and post im sure critcake or arch will do it
or log on ptr to see it
latent hull
manic egret
na or eu?
reef glade
surely they forgot to add that colossus smash cant be parried
right
or is that secret notes
charred brook
Just up ur weapon skill lol
reef glade
real
wooden lava
Bro this new warbreaker barely has a visual
vast helm
show it
manic egret
still no point
wooden lava
am I tripping or is the WB and CS animations the exact same?
snow flame
here is the new warbreaker visual
reef glade
insta delete
snow flame
why won't it let me post it
reef glade
blud sendin some cursed ahh file format
woven wasp
am I tripping or is the WB and CS animations the exact same?
your guy does a whirlwind for warbreaker but yeah
manic egret
imagine having both at same time
river ridge
sharp wyvern
The second part looks cool at least
sharp wyvern
I kinda like it
river ridge
This is CS if you're wondering
vast helm
thx bro
errant goblet
4 new animation were definetly NOT getting reworked until at least 13.0
opaque anchor
When will they finally fix Warbreaker/CS being parried though?
Siegebreaker (old fury talent) would apply the debuff and Legion Warbreaker as well.
Now if you get parried the debuff is not applied and it SUCKS!
magic canopy
sharp wyvern
Looks flashy af
snow flame
I'll do a quick key with the fury buffs
vast helm
lean geode
here is https://www.twitch.tv/bazefacee/clip/ExuberantRefinedLouseBIRB-tVFCS0oj8...
Display Capture
snow flame
Display Capture <:keks:936231610850897992>
lean geode
has a very poe ancestral call vibe though
hushed pine
I see Hellreaver in there
shadow ibex
hellrender or w/e from BC looks like 1 of em
snow flame
Itโs a good start for warrior visuals
shadow ibex
idk what the mace is
charred brook
Itโs the best in slot
hushed pine
looks like the epic mace from Guru
lean geode
Is that a gorehowl too
hushed pine
yes
hushed pine
I dig it
scenic umbra
hearty pewter
sharp wyvern
They gonna revert the buffs in 5 min
devout pewter
Warbreaker good again now ? ๐
sharp wyvern
Visually yes
fresh tide
Why would they change where it's centered ๐ฆ
devout pewter
What's the visuals now?
brittle fiber
Why would they change where it's centered ๐ฆ
because realistically why would you have mobs standing behind you with SS in mind
neon ocean
I like that its not centered directly on the character model anymore, in theory it should be safer to use in weird 2 target situations where the 2 targets (bosses) are barely in range of each other
can put you in the way of mechanics maybe idk
shadow ibex
you'd just sweep it in 2t and be running blunt
shadow ibex
yea that came out of nowhere
minor gust
Looks pretty good to I like the choice of white and the weapons looks pretty flashy for wow standards
shadow ibex
i think the whirlwind spin looks a lil silly
minor gust
That's what warrior animations need more flashyness almost all warrior animations are boring af
shadow ibex
its like a combination of WW and demo
minor gust
i think the whirlwind spin looks a lil silly
I've always enjoyed it I think it's fine.
shadow ibex
u swing the weapon around and bring it down in front
shadow ibex
I want my cs weak aura to say
minor gust
Just copy paste all the sound effects from POE2 warrior please
shadow ibex
Go birds
minor gust
I would cream my pants if they used the Aftershock sound effects from poe2
icy mulch
That is not what I expected, but ya know what? I don't hate it.
fresh spire
:holy
river ridge
That is not what I expected, but ya know what? I don't hate it.
Kinda where I'm at too. I don't hate it, but I don't love it.
icy mulch
@magic canopy We'd certainly use Battlelord with buffs and tier. Would be stupid not to. Also, that's not bald. You wimped out on me.
magic canopy
ill let fishy do the math
fresh spire
anyone on ptr rn?
magic canopy
im stupy
fresh spire
i could yoink
magic canopy
i can be
fresh spire
i want to try see if you can parry wb with dbts
๐
wanting to test if the updated usage on it might have changed it being parried
magic canopy
updating and ill be on in a sec
icy mulch
Sadly my character is still locked out of PTR. Let me try one last time.
woven wasp
put up a group ill join
fresh spire
Under questing, PARRY
tacit crystal
Sadly my character is still locked out of PTR. Let me try one last time.
what do you mean
brittle fiber
Sadly my character is still locked out of PTR. Let me try one last time.
have you made a ptr account on battle net
icy mulch
have you made a ptr account on battle net
Yes, I keep getting "Copy failed" on my warrior, but can copy my other classes.
dapper juniper
are they joking?
icy mulch
what do you mean
See previous statements.
fresh spire
can still be parry ๐ฆ
icy mulch
Yup, still "Copy Failed."
brittle fiber
speak for yourself
manic egret
whats with fatality?
icy mulch
No tactician? No Battlelord? Hmmmm
woven wasp
whats with fatality?
its been "buffed"
manic egret
fresh spire
Colossus is still currently jug locked
severe haven
fresh spire
its close though
woven wasp
no ptr is on ptr
wooden lava
that looks so cursed
woven wasp
but yeah the servers are up
wooden lava
No OP resets, No MS reset
magic canopy
we have EB
icy mulch
Still not totally sold on Fatality, but I am happy to see it's at least possible for big damage. Even if it's mostly RNG.
magic canopy
oops me forgetti
fresh spire
brutal finish good tho > cyclone
fresh spire
Still not totally sold on Fatality, but I am happy to see it's at least possible...
its going to be a pick down to bosslength and cd line up really
Bad timings you likely will drop it
Good timings its going to truck
brittle fiber
cant wait for them to buff sks by 100%
fresh spire
depends on how much more they tune other stuff as fatal usually gets left behind to all other buffs
magic canopy
i mean to buff SkS is to buff rend and DW
which they have nerfed repeatedly
also fuck SkS
fresh spire
still waiting for our colossus rebuff for them blowing up execute/colossal might
BL was like 2.497
minor gust
Good die fatality die
manic egret
fastest utuber on wild west
magic canopy
yeah losing Execute for CM stacks was wack
fresh spire
yeah losing Execute for CM stacks was wack
was a pretty chunky loss. like when archi first implemented it for me sims from s1 dropped like 70k i think