arms

[pure otter]

sooon

Fucking taking that hoe outa cryo sleep and doing one more spin on that thang in goldshire

[minor gust]

I don't get the unhinged hate. I get its a permanent talent now and people don't like that, but it was finally made not shit and it's a good gameplay talent that makes BS and Rav not shit. Also good gameplay that it shooting out MS allowing for other interactions

[crimson steppe]

I just wish Unhinged interacted with SS and other talents

[minor gust]

yeah that was still to this day an awful change

[crimson steppe]

They could also make a good alternative to it im sure

Unhinged when it first came out with ToS Tier set was insane

SS hit 3 targets, no GCD to cast it

[minor gust]

I can understand why if they want to keep current SS instead of perma cleave but for the love of god remove the dumb half gcd

[proud remnant]

Agree fully

Feels clunky to mix in

Even just that half is annoying enough

[rare kite]

yea... no class has perma cleave 🙂

[minor gust]

didnt say there wasnt

[rare kite]

i know, one would think blizzard thinks so though

[minor gust]

I can see the choice atleast one is perma cleave on 2 abillities for less dmg other is cleave on all abillities for less uptime

I dont mind either option tbh just get rid of the horrible half gcd

[rare kite]

yeah, would be nice. one is permacleave on execute and ms and other on all abilties

[teal fossil]

Yeah half gcd should just go

We’ll figure out the rest

I’m ok with stronger 2t with a limit

[teal fossil]

I won’t want this choice nose

Too much of a math question

[minor gust]

wasnt really saying for it to be a choice node was just saying im fine with either option of SS. I can see the choice blizzard has with the direction of SS

[teal fossil]

Yeah for sure

I do like having an active though

The cleave being more bursty is better for raid

[minor gust]

yeah I prefer active SS too but that fucking gcd really makes me dislike it

[proud remnant]

just make cleave and ms the same thing. Mortal cleave!

[quaint otter]

make ms benefit from bonegrinder

at least 25%

or 15 well

[quaint otter]

[brittle fiber]

wait it doesn't? does bladestorm itself or ravager interact with ss at least

[tired sinew]

nope.. to both... unhinged interaction with SS was changed early in TWW

[brittle fiber]

whoops

[edgy solstice]

good thing they rushfixed that and not all the other broken ss interactions

[shadow ibex]

yea

like animation

how many years of heroic leap equipping weapon

taken from us

[proud remnant]

Do you think anyone plays arms over at blizzard?

Asking for a friend

[quaint otter]

No

Warrior class is too chad for them

[vast surge]

They can keep the GCD on SS, just have it cast a cleave when activated

It won’t feel so bad and can benefit from MBG

ALSO WHY DOESN’T UNHINGED INTERACT WITH SS

[quaint otter]

It did

And now it has ghost interaction

Like u get an additional demo stack but no actual damage xd

[shadow ibex]

we take what we can get

[teal fossil]

you dont want this

if it casted a cleave then you would press SS on st

because its free cleave

[brittle fiber]

I want free cleave in st

[vast surge]

Doesn’t sound like a big deal to me 🤷‍♂️

They can attach this effect to the cleave talent

So it only works if cleave is talented if it was a problem now it is solved

[teal fossil]

doesnt change the fact that you are gonna start pressing SS on st

look at how neutered MS is because we get 3 MS every 60 seconds

[ivory plover]

so uh, how yall feelin about arms next season? I read the updates tab and some of that looks concerning

was considering it as my main for the next patch

[lean geode]

Rotationally I think it'll basically be the same as it has been for the most part

[magic canopy]

arms tier

[quaint otter]

🫳
🔮

[lean geode]

Real

Been doing some ptr dummy testing, arms is like omega far ahead of fury

And enhance (which I barely know how to play) does more than both :^)

[lucid apex]

Fury always finds a way

Im still planning on playing arms

[brittle fiber]

enhance is casino gaming

i hate it

[minor gust]

were all casino gaming now friend

[strange perch]

Fun Detected

[scenic umbra]

So changes were really reverted or what

I still dont know

[minor gust]

🤔

[scenic umbra]

Is that a yes?

[rare kite]

yes, they were really reverted

[scenic umbra]

Fuck sake

hahaha

we lost our retry, im really thinking to go pink this season

[dim basalt]

If these went through we would have been op lol

[rare kite]

i doubt it

[dim basalt]

Even with the old set it didn't exactly feel like arms was underperforming imo

[scenic umbra]

arms would have been very op

in single at least

but fury seems shit even with that buffs

xD

[rare kite]

in m+ true, in undermined not so true.

[dim basalt]

Was still okayish in raid

Just not top tier

[scenic umbra]

fury? cant find much videos or logs tbh

is all shaman mages and locks

in all videos i find

haahah

[rare kite]

i still think these buffs will go through next week on ptr. or atleast some of them, hopefully the ms buff atleast

[dim basalt]

Ms buff is needed

To make up for the MP changes

[rare kite]

they already buffed ms to make up for the mp change

[dim basalt]

-30% for +15% doesn't sound right

And we usually have two stacks for ms

[rare kite]

when playing EB that is not true, and we're gonna play EB next tier

[dim basalt]

100%?

[rare kite]

atm yeah. changes could still happen tho

[dim basalt]

Sounds lowkey fun

[rare kite]

EB resets are very fun. was great on kurog

[steep osprey]

MS Is gonna hit hard as fuck if those buffs are intended

[rare kite]

Exactly

[steep osprey]

I'm glad they're buffing Slam too

evne tho it's just 30%

should be 100% ngl

[candid pecan]

good

[dim basalt]

DN scales off OP damage right?

As in if OP gets buffed DN does more damage?

[steep osprey]

I don't know considering they buffed both DN and OP

in those reverted notes

[dim basalt]

That could be because DN is pretty underwhelming rn

[brittle fiber]

dreadnaught is just attack power too isnt it

[rare kite]

Yes

[fresh spire]

Dn scales from overpower buff talents not its direct damage

It also has its own ap scaling

[visual fern]

Cuz boss died too fast from 20-0

20% > pop lucid > wait wym boss is dead?

Idk if that was it exactly, but pretty sure something to do w/ CD timings

Better image w/ time column

[fresh spire]

When the entire raids inkpods hit

[icy mulch]

Inkpod was a wild trinket.

[fresh spire]

Boss just lost like 5% hp

Coral was just as stupid

[icy mulch]

I forget what razor coral did, and I had one. Lol. Ashvane was a pretty neat fight.

[shadow ibex]

Forget to apply coral at start

Still get 99
Refuse to elaborate
Hearth and raidlog

[fresh spire]

Stacked crit until you used it. Sent it at 35% when you could lucid dream and execute. Basically had between 70-90crit rate when it was up

Until that moment it did nothing as a trinket but it was disgusting when you got to use it

Would get monster test of Mights from it

[icy mulch]

Right, lol. I was playing fury most of the time in BFA so I ran Blood of the Enemy.

[sacred zodiac]

did a small amt of damage for every stack application no

[naive sage]

Bote was strong in keys I think

[icy mulch]

It was

[shadow ibex]

I grinded the legendary bote for some reason

So much ashran

[icy mulch]

I really liked BFA, even though it got a lot of hate.

[shadow ibex]

It took years to get decent

Titan forge was awful

[icy mulch]

Lol, titan forge was beyond awful. That one schmuck who got an item titan forged so high it was equal to a mythic raid level item. From a mythic 0.

[fresh spire]

i miss titanforge

random better items>crest farming

[shadow ibex]

Getting a socket on weapon

Nah

Or trinket

[fresh spire]

i cant remember if it was pandaria or wod tf where it had a cap of like 7 ilvl or something

good times

[shadow ibex]

Panda was capped

[fresh spire]

goated behavior

random new items on farm>reasons to do farm other than upgrading the items that dropped on farm

[shadow ibex]

Well now it's just very rare loot

[fresh spire]

i did some slayer apl stuff for keys

its looking kinda scuffed with the SD fuckery

[shadow ibex]

So it's a vers proc neck or whatever cloak

[fresh spire]

Also ive been trying to worm some more value out of fatal

got it down to .6% ahead now

[icy mulch]

lol

[ivory plover]

is there a reason the warrior buffs got reverted before they hit? were they too good lol?

LMFAO

[real vault]

joking, just too soon i guess, they will come back next build surely

[ivory plover]

that makes sense

arms is kinda fun with warbreaker in keys, atleast im havin a good time

those huge cleaves and mortal strikes make me feel large

[charred brook]

is it too much to want this again

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hMqvb8QiUk

what a time to be alive

[sharp wyvern]

being benched until your guild reaches p3 ?

[charred brook]

when your guild relies on you to close things out...yeah it makes you a celebrity

[olive nest]

not giving you 100 pulls to learn p1

crazy

[sharp wyvern]

its enough to BR you in p3

[gaunt owl]

wrong spec

[charred brook]

legion fury ik ik

[gaunt owl]

that was pretty degen

[charred brook]

bro im watching the bfa rewind and the gromnak clip

of inifinite stars rng

i forgot about this

[sharp wyvern]

when it comes to rotation arms execute is actually pretty close to legion fury execute

[brittle fiber]

im glad the bloodsurge meme was short lived

[thick kelp]

Stop

this is

literally

fury

[smoky kayak]

BfA was a good expansion, the worst part of it was the AP grind, but people massively over embellished how much you actually needed to farm

[thick kelp]

ass video

[charred brook]

what if i wanted this...as arms

[fresh spire]

i love spending 80% the fight last on meter

[charred brook]

thats how it feels already

[thick kelp]

no

[charred brook]

i didnt play that so idk if its the same literally

[smoky kayak]

love getting targeted by a mechanic at 15% and your damage goes right back to shit
might as well have not even brought you to the fight

[charred brook]

but im definitely not top 5 until the end lol

[smoky kayak]

Juggernaut was one of those things that only really looked good on highlight reels

[steep osprey]

I liked BFA honestly, but I think part of why it's not considered good was because we came off from Legion, which had much better class design and gameplay for each class, barring some

[charred brook]

yeah i have such a love hate relationship with jugg i feel like

like when it hits IT HITS

but the variance pull to pull is so annoying

i can have one pull full stacked 1 min in have wayyyyy too many procs and never drop it

wipe, next pull i havent have a proc in 45 seconds

and im dropping jugg every time i get 2 stacks

[smoky kayak]

Legion was good as well, BfA got a lot of hate over the cooldown changes, though they didn't hit War that hard

[steep osprey]

The difference between some specs was wild from Legion to BFA

like Arms, affliction, havoc

[sharp wyvern]

my biggest execute on ansu this week was in p1

[icy mulch]

I'm sure it was a chore and a half to do on alts. I've never been one to be an alt hound though. Did it in vanilla, that was enough for me.

[smoky kayak]

difference between the start and end of Legion for Arms was wild too lmao

[gentle charm]

hello, is there any info about s2 tww start?

[fresh spire]

No datas yet if that's what you mean

dates*

[ivory plover]

thats hilarious lmfao

[steep osprey]

Very good point

I'm not gonna lie though, I feel like they did a great job with most classes so far

i think like most of them are better than Legion's counterpart

[ivory plover]

is that how people want arms to be tho lmao? feel like it would be kinda shit like archimitros said mechanic at 15% happens and ur just useless lmfao

[charred brook]

yeah not really it just feels good to be at the top at some point

its just a meme

[ivory plover]

fair fair

[sharp wyvern]

people who never played it themselfs want it to be this

[steep osprey]

It took a while to get here though, Havoc after Legion was trash until like DF

[icy mulch]

Beginning kinda sucked if you didn't get the gloves early. My first two legendary items where the pants and SD ring.

[charred brook]

bro lmao

https://youtu.be/Sw9o2saI9Zs?t=538

convoke druid

in shadowlands pvp

i forgot about this

u wanna talk about a class being strong

(it links to a time)

literally just deleted

[ivory plover]

convoke was HILARIOUS

[steep osprey]

Just interrupt

[ivory plover]

balance druids come out of stealth and you just know if you are behind a tower ur dead

[steep osprey]

[ivory plover]

arent*

[smoky kayak]

you wanted ring early

ring was massively overpowered in EN

[fresh spire]

gloves before they got nerfed was nuts too

[smoky kayak]

gloves were strong between EN and NH yeah

My first two legendaries were Prydaz and healing Bracers

I didn't get a dps legendary (the WW belt lol) until we killed Gul'dan

[fresh spire]

i know i had prydaz first, i really dont remember my second, but i wasn't happy i know that for sure

man Wrecking ball + WW belt on the doomlord guy or what ever it was called with the adds

i do miss having chunky ww

[dim basalt]

Wasn't Prydaz really bad for a long time?

Until I believe .3

[steep osprey]

What a terrible system, how did no one on Blizzard see the issue with this?

[fresh spire]

it was weak then eventually thye gave it extra stats right? so it was pretty solid over a normal item + the shield was pretty sizeable after the buff

[eager sigil]

sephuz got the bigger buff i think

[smoky kayak]

yeah they buffed all of the "non-dps" legendaries a couple times

[arctic iris]

Blizzard was injecting Diablo 3 design principles straight into their veins and thought that similar mechanics would be great in WoW

[smoky kayak]

eventually they got to be pretty decent, and low-key, Prydaz was actually my favorite legendary because of how tanky you got with it

[steep osprey]

That makes sense, M+ was also a thing from D3

[dim basalt]

I was playing rogue during NH and quit when my last two legendaries were the BiS ones xd

[steep osprey]

Sounds like most devs in legion were D3 devs

or something

[arctic iris]

Broadly speaking, I think the problem with legendaries wasn't just the RNG, it was that the bad luck protection was hidden.

If there had been a visible bar that filled up that showed how close you were to the next legendary, it would have been way more tolerable.

Fyralath had the same issue

[smoky kayak]

it's been replicated time and again in a number of systems - Blizz likes to design a whole bunch of varied options, but invariably players only care about the handful of them that directly support their role

[arctic iris]

You sorta knew you were getting closer each time you killed Fyrakk but it didn't feel like it

[dim basalt]

Legendaries themselves were nice, the intransparent system behind them not really

[fresh spire]

was also bugged for multiple weeks

[steep osprey]

Legendaries were fine, the acquisiton wasn't

[smoky kayak]

You can even see it in the new 11.0.7 ring - there's absolutely nothing wrong with the healing gem or other non-dps options... except putting them up against DPS options means that most players will never give a shit about them; they only want the thing that further enables their role

[steep osprey]

YEP

[fresh spire]

biggest issue with them at start was if you had another warrior who got gloves week 1 you just got owned on dps as the rage saved was pretty chunky 😄

nothing you could do if oyu had same skill level saved you

[steep osprey]

Legendaries would have been fine if it didn't literally take you a few tiers to get all of them

Would have been fine if you could get them all in one tier

[smoky kayak]

Yeah, but that issue was two-fold

• do you blame the legendaries being random?
• or do you blame the massive imbalance between them?

[steep osprey]

to drop like once every 4 days

[fresh spire]

bit of both

[steep osprey]

Archi mentioned it took him until killing GULDAN to get a dps legendary

isn't that the 2nd tier or am i mistaken

[fresh spire]

if you got the item i sure you wouldn't complain, but if you didnt you do 😄 they was wildy strong first iteration.

[smoky kayak]

as much as min/maxy players may hate it, Blizz has been trying to inject more variety into the game for over a decade now. They don't want every single Warrior to be a carbon copy of one another, who wears the exact same gear, presses the exact same buttons at the exact same time, and has the exact same output

Randomly dropped legendaries were a part of that, just like every other RNG acquisition system they've had over the last 5 expansions

[steep osprey]

Blizzard doesn't understand how insane some players are lol

they'll do anything for 1% dps

[smoky kayak]

and frankly... that's fine. It's not even a bad goal (no matter how much people bitch that everything doesn't come down to "muh skillz")

The issue is that they don't ever balance those options, so one just massively overshadows another

[steep osprey]

some of them

[smoky kayak]

no blizz knows exactly how insane those players are, which is why they've been trying to actively design it away

[steep osprey]

Well, it won't work

[smoky kayak]

but, as their nature belies, insane people do insane shit (like reroll and relevel their character repeatedly until they get their favored legendary)

[steep osprey]

peopel are just going to quit

[smoky kayak]

eh, it works to a degree

and most of those people are way too overly invested to ever quit

[steep osprey]

I know people created a bunch of warriors because of the legendaries

[smoky kayak]

just cause you can't solve something fully doesn't mean you don't solve it as much as you can, even reducing 90% of the issue is still a win for the majority

[steep osprey]

I think want they could have done, is seperate the drop loot of dps and non-dps legendaries

So you don't get a non-dps leggo and that's it for weeks

[smoky kayak]

yeah they could have

well, I wouldn't say you don't get one, but make them equip separate

but Blizz does iterate on the systems, Shadowlands legendaries were basically an extension of Legion's and they did create a solution to that problem

[steep osprey]

That's true

[smoky kayak]

ofc the same issue still remained - they created 12 diff legendary effects for each class, but you only cared about 3 or 4 of them

[steep osprey]

One thing that Legion did well is that the legendaries felt "legendary"

They did not in SL

[smoky kayak]

the items didn't, but most of the effects were fine - Deathmaker was good, EB was good

[steep osprey]

And I didn't like doing torghast for that

lol

[smoky kayak]

Well yeah, Torghast was a whole other bag

[steep osprey]

Torghast would have been fine if it wasn't tied to legendary acquisition

and Torghast itself could have used more customizations

more powers

different layouts

[icy mulch]

Ugh, choregast

[steep osprey]

I feel like it was a wasted potential

It had good potential

I'd like if delves had more of these "anima powers" from Torghast

they have very little of them right now

[arctic iris]

The unfortunate fact was that one thing that makes legendaries feel legendary is that not everyone has them (or at least not the same ones you do), so the legion ones felt more engaging because you were kind of working with what you had.

There were some legendaries that weren't optimal but still did cool stuff, and if you didn't have the optimal one then you might do weird things with them

e.g. there was a rogue one that gave you a stacking buff over time to your next fan of knives, and when it was fully stacked it would do insane damage. Not optimal, but if it was what you had, it could be fun to use a big stack to wipe out a trash pack

But although that part was cool, it was overshadowed by the frustration of spending weeks or months getting shit

If you have a decent legendary and then after weeks you get another and it's worse than the one you have, and you know that just reset your BLP, you feel awful

[smoky kayak]

There were some legendaries that weren't optimal but still did cool stuff, and if you didn't have the optimal one then you might do weird things with them
That was the entire point - Blizz wanted players to play differently, even if they had to force them to do it

and frankly? I think that's a fine goal; I was all for it... the issue is that the balance wasn't there

after a few patches, that improved immensely, but it was a bleak series of months for people who weren't lucky enough to get the "good" legendaries to start with

[arctic iris]

And even apart from Torghast, Shadowlands legendaries also had the issue of being tied to crafting which meant many players couldn't afford them (or at least not the higher level ones)

Because the average WoW player is broke AF

[smoky kayak]

tbh the crafting cost was overblown after like the first patch, you didn't really need max ilvl legendaries

[misty sandal]

I've felt that for a while. From the classes that I've played extensively over the years from frost dk, holy paladin, warrior (arms and fury) and mage. All prior to tww, btw. The variety is there, but when you actually use them the other options either, do not proc enough to be worth it, doesn't do nearly enough damage to justify existing, or doesn't do anything at all (current mage talent inspired intellect).

I do tend to go out of my way to mess around with random things on my own time, but sometimes I wonder what even is the point in some of these talents existing

[smoky kayak]

but its easy to understand why people felt like it wasn't worth unless they could make them max, even if the reality was a trivial performance difference

[smoky kayak]

perfect balance is a pipe dream, it's never going to be possible and that's fine
but there are degrees, right? I'm fine with dropping 4% in one area for 2% in another
dropping 20% for 2% is a different story

[arctic iris]

It did come down a lot, but I think there's a few things to consider

The first patch was by far when the most people were playing due to COVID, it lasted a long time, and people didn't want to buy a legendary then have to buy another base later to upgrade it because that felt like a waste of gold

[smoky kayak]

Sure, I'm not saying it was perfect, only that the complaints were largely overblown

[arctic iris]

Like, I have a lot of gold but I'm constantly reminded of how different some people are when I hear people in my raid say "I just got 8k, I've never had this much gold at once before"

And I just don't understand what they're doing with their lives, but it's shockingly common for people to have no gold

[smoky kayak]

Yeah but I'm referring to people halfway or later through the expansion, who don't even raid or do high level content, complaining that they couldn't afford to spend 500k on a max ilvl legendary, when they could drop 5 ilvls and get it for 5k instead

it's easy to understand why they want the best version... but you don't need it

just because you can't afford a luxury car doesn't mean you shouldn't buy any car

[lean geode]

Fishy is the build you cooked for slarms with EB and whatnot only good post-buff? I was having better results with the current build than that one on ptr

[arctic iris]

While that's true, WoW has spent the last 20-ish years targeting, cultivating, and training an audience that cares about optimization

It shouldn't surprise anyone when people get upset that optimization is out of their reach

[smoky kayak]

yes and no, people often lack reflection

[misty sandal]

Oh, I don't look for perfect balance, but I do try to test if those other options either, breaks the spec (meaning it just cease to function properly) or gives it a good flow in its gameplay despite being sub optimal.

[smoky kayak]

even among those raiding at mid levels though, there's an obvious cost analysis where spending 400k more to picking up an extra 0.2% is stupid

Hell I used rank 2 enchants for most of this tier

[arctic iris]

Numerically, the difference is small

Again, the issue is that it's cutting people in a place that they care about. To them, it's not about the size of the increase, it's about them enjoying the knowledge that their gear is (to the best of their knowledge) optimized.

The compromise of buying a shittier item, even if the difference is so small that you wouldn't notice it can lead to negative feelings that are not proportionate to the size of the performance loss

Getting a BiS item that is .5% better than what you're using right now doesn't feel .5% better, it feels great because you have the best thing you can have.

[smoky kayak]

Sure, which is why I said it's understandable why they feel that way

but they still need to pull their head out of their ass and realize the realities

especially if they're going to complain that the thing they want isn't freely accessible

[arctic iris]

I don't really think that, as game designers, blizzard gets to say that.

"The customer is always right in terms of taste", "players are great at identifying problems", etc. It doesn't matter if something shouldn't be a problem from a purely objective standpoint. What's important is that players are having fun, and if you've designed something that is creating more frustration then fun, then you need to adjust the design.

[smoky kayak]

Well blizz wasn't saying that, I was saying that

but fun is also incredibly subjective, and it's hard to design around community sentiment, especially when it's so malleable, and influenced by community members

[arctic iris]

Sure, but Blizzard's approach to these kinds of things is important and I'd argue the most relevant aspect of the discussion.

I think that the changes to crafting in DF were aimed at making crafted gear more approachable/affordable, because nothing came close to the costs of items in SL (aside from weapon enchants, briefly, until the buffed the droprate of specific mats)

[smoky kayak]

I never said blizz approach was perfect, so idk why you're making an argument out of this

[arctic iris]

I'm not trying to argue or disprove what you're saying, I'm just discussing the topic. I think it's interesting to explore

[smoky kayak]

What I said is that the cost issues were largely overblown by people unwilling to accept that they didn't need the max version of everything

especially when coming from people who didn't play the game at a level where they had access to the max level of anything else in the first place

LFR raiders complaining they have a harder time buying max ilvl legendaries was just stupid. I don't care what argument is used to defend it

Yes, I can understand why they feel that way... but it's still stupid

[wild kernel]

Are we still back with the tuning reversions?

[gusty nymph]

yes

[stone marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/barack-obama-gif-14713645611577259969

[lean geode]

If they revert the revert then maybe, as it is now we're kinda in the bin

[wild kernel]

Shite

[teal fossil]

We aren’t in the bin if the tier set goes live like this

[lean geode]

I did not see madox on the meters a single time in testing the other day

No flame to my boy but

[sharp wyvern]

he is sandbagging

clearly

[lean geode]

Sounds like bin activity

[fresh spire]

i guess there is a reason the hotfix that was reverted was a pretty heavy handed buffs.

[gaunt owl]

hard to take the PTR raid testing number seriously

we always see some tuning before it goes live anyway

[fresh spire]

was like 12% buff i think

[fresh spire]

this is because the last set of testing was so shit for melee

all bosses are spread cleave

[sharp wyvern]

also arms dmg before execute

[lean geode]

Ik I'm just yapping

[sharp wyvern]

actually which boss is that

[lean geode]

Fishy without the buffs, is slarms better with current build than the EB build?

With deft instead of fatality

[fresh spire]

its crushing colossus rn

[lean geode]

I meant the EB slarms build you posted the other day

[fresh spire]

but we have yet to have a compsenational buff for the changes to colossus

[lean geode]

This one

[fresh spire]

you can drop fatal for deft 1

and lose around .6% dps for it

[sharp wyvern]

if collosus is meta in a raid where the entire ground is covered by aoe arms will get another stamina buff

[charred brook]

id love to play colossus for a tier since slayer was best for both specs this tier

colossus is fun to play it just cant compete

[sharp wyvern]

only on court maybe

i think they just want collosus be the m+ spec

[charred brook]

maybe

kinda how MT is the M+ spec for fury

slayer is just the go to raid spec for both

[sharp wyvern]

but its also more fun to play in raid

[lean geode]

Colossus with deft and battlelord is kinda sicko mode on single target

Just wish demolish didn't root

[rare kite]

Do you hold cds for fatal now?

[thick kelp]

nop

[rare kite]

It kinda sucks either way huh,better hope they naturally allign

[shadow ibex]

if it goes live affected by shit

idk blizzard are fucking stupid

only thing that can be said

[fresh spire]

rank 1 logs cds lined up, rank 10 log no cds

its coming

[thick kelp]

thoughts

on the jugg stacks

[fresh spire]

ive had the same last week

when SD just procin

[boreal quartz]

Elvui less tmy good shit

[fresh spire]

blizzard ui>elv

[thick kelp]

suf my 🐐

[fresh spire]

suf raid frame 👍

[quaint otter]

balls

i never managed to do bigger than 5 pre exe

[shadow ibex]

fuckin god i hate juggernaut

and this fatality shit

.3% wipe on queen last night

if this shit dont die tn im mailing spiders to like 7 people

let them try and fight one irl

[misty sandal]

You're evil

[quaint otter]

More like furious

[charred brook]

Send me one

I will fight it

[quaint otter]

@dull siren 🦉

[dull siren]

yup

[naive sage]

Tmy
aint nothing but an heartache 🎵

[olive nest]

hollyyy thats tough!

you got it tho tn!

[shadow ibex]

i can do it in my sleep now

if we had a tank do final melee pop in p1 instead of me the .3% wipe shoulda been a kill

can probably do .3% in the downtime from running my circle out

[tacit crystal]

yarp

[shadow ibex]

i didnt mention that

[tacit crystal]

are your tank players damage doers

serious question

[shadow ibex]

idk tbh

monk pulls off pally sometimes

[charred brook]

I had to do p1 pop, platform 2 portal and p3 2nd essence so I had mega downtime

With 0.3 you should be killing it within a few pulls next time you raid

[shadow ibex]

portal downtime doesnt matter really

i do last portal on platform 1 and i leap right before pull goes off and by the time im on other side the other side kills their add

so i just go right from portal to charging a skitter

do this shit in my sleep im so sick of it

[tacit crystal]

i started to do p1 as tank the same

just turn off brain

crank

[charred brook]

platform 2 portal means i have to go right in the middle of all my cds

usually

depending on the timing

that was only during prog though

its definitely doable, its just very tight window

[minor gust]

You guys are in the home stretch at least that boss is dead don't beat yourself up over it.

[shadow ibex]

oh yea im chillin trust

only scary part is getting shackle even 1 shot me thru rally and ER i was surprised

we dont have an AMZ tho

i coulda dstanced but was just greedy and thought fury was OP enough

[minor gust]

Shackles isn't that the thing pulling you in? Pretty sure that only hurts if u get gripped all the way in?

[tacit crystal]

i think it does rot

but idk

[minor gust]

No way it does enough rot through ER

[fresh spire]

On mythic? The aoe explosion hurts

But the root doesn't do much

You mean wrest?

[shadow ibex]

the aoe explosion

stacking them or w/e

[minor gust]

Oh those need personals surprised u still died tho through ER

Maybe healing was weak there

[shadow ibex]

yea i thought i was safe with rally

[fresh spire]

Yeh that hurts when they go off. The 3 people stacking get hit like 8m total if close

[shadow ibex]

dstance i live 100%

just being greedy

[minor gust]

If you guys don't need the spider add dmg you could always swap to arms

Pretty disgusting how much boss dmg arms can pump out in p3

[shadow ibex]

other war is arms and its been hundreds of pulls as fury atp

i just solo gloom spiders atm

send 90 secs with the second set thats during blades since hardish to kill with blades coming

and then boss dies ideally like 20 seconds later if that

[minor gust]

Ah then he's got it. Yeah we rolled double fury until we started seeing P3 and I felt the healers were more comfortable in P1 and intermission and I swapped to arms for the kill

I just fucking nuked the boss

[shadow ibex]

i wish i played arms sooner but just want it dead now

[quaint otter]

https://tenor.com/view/armswarrior-warrior-warriorwow-armswow-armswarriorwow-gif-27099127

[minor gust]

Ik ppl hate execute niche but for some reason I just like being mid boss dmg all fight and then 35% you just climb to the top

Only fun on prog tho

I get the hate on farm

When boss dies in 2 min

[shadow ibex]

yea its lame on farm

and first kills are often messy with deaths

so super punished if thats you

like u p much cant die late into that final bit of time you have to kill rashok

or any other dps woulda been a better pick up tbh

[minor gust]

pretty much yeah if you die in execute arms was a worthless pick

[old urchin]

Did they patch last boss of Ara Kara? I tried to leap out of the singularity mechanic and it instantly pulled me back in each time. Tried three different times.

[quasi torrent]

worked just fine for me the other day

[old urchin]

wtf

[quasi torrent]

u just gotta leap after the big drag at like 0.5

[quaint otter]

gotta do after that last pull >0.8 sec

[old urchin]

Ye apparently just skill issue we killed and didn't miss a single one

[lean geode]

If the boss is hasted by that one affix it fucks with the cast time

Idk if that affix is the one that's currently up

[rare kite]

currently it's the emissary

[gusty oxide]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hMqvb8QiUk

The infinite scaling of Execute in legion

[tacit crystal]

is bad

[gusty oxide]

( well infinite 99 stacks)

[tacit crystal]

juggernaut is bad

[gusty oxide]

Juiced up by Gift of the Titans and the cracked trinkets of Antorus, it was fun

👍

[minor gust]

Wrong channel sir thats a fury warrior

[charred brook]

crazy how time flies

we just had this exact discussion in this channel

earlier today when i posted that lmao

[rare kite]

Class discord echo chamber

[charred brook]

im so bored bro i wanna play wow rn but like

wat do

like all this ptr talk and testing has me wanting to play more warrior

i guess i could like pvp

[brittle fiber]

only similar thing to that video is that monk, spriest and rogues will be on top most the fight

monks are pumping for some reason

[gusty oxide]

It was arms

[minor gust]

[brittle fiber]

it's fury

[gusty oxide]

Oh wait, yeah

https://tenor.com/view/crawling-under-the-desk-por-baixo-da-mesa-desk-coisa-de-nerd-gif-14128663

[minor gust]

Arms pays for furys sins

[gusty oxide]

Ok so...MOP arms...probably was the last time we had an edge over Fury?

[minor gust]

Tomb of sargeras arms

is where we flew to close to the sun

[gusty oxide]

Missed that tier, after being burned out by the artefact pwoer farm of The start of legion

smug

[teal fossil]

Arms was better in shadowlands

Don’t even have to go that far back

And I think first patch of dragonflight

[quaint otter]

df s2 had some good numbers

[rare kite]

had ehh numbers

[quaint otter]

in m+ good

[rare kite]

m+ was aight, the only thing was fury was great in m+ in s2. so was still the weaker spec

[quaint otter]

not sure

my 0.1 guys were actually surprised arms pulls numbers

[brittle fiber]

everyone want their class to do good damage, aint no one want their class to feel better like warriors and rogues 🤝

and i guess deathknights

[reef glade]

does exe not give colo might now or was that dogshit change for 11.1

forgor

[minor gust]

11.1

[reef glade]

cool

[woven wasp]

As was better in df s4, don't need to go far at all

[teal fossil]

i didnt pay attention enough in df s4 so i didnt wanna say anything

[lean geode]

Chat what do we think about dropping EB for SkS in Fishy's PTR build

[shadow ibex]

most drop sks

it feels gross

[vast tinsel]

Is fatality good?

[lean geode]

On average yeah

Think Fishy said 3% over a 5m fight or something

Love when the dummy full heals when I get to 35%

madge

[minor gust]

Die SKS Die

fatality be like 3% or 9% hope your cds align

[lean geode]

They gotta change that shit man

[rare kite]

Drop bloodborne for sks

[lean geode]

aint naur way

isn't bloodborne kinda juiced?

[shadow ibex]

queen dead

mount acquired

[rare kite]

Idk after the nerf, is that build you linked fishys?

Coz i don't think we can drop EB if Rynning fatality

Running*

[lean geode]

I think so? I have it saved as fishy slarms but I might've changed a couple things here and there

Been fiddling with a few different talents

I'm not sure what the crit breakpoint for FF being better than opp is, esp with arms tier

[lean geode]

[rare kite]

With new tier i would assume opp is always better, but havent simmed

[lean geode]

My dummy logs are extremely consistent 1.3m as every combination of thane/slurry/slarms/col to the point where it's suspicious

AM and RA too

Details is somewhat different between them but logs seem off

[lean geode]

I know Walhe sent a screenshot of FF being 0.6% better but that was with like 19k crit or something and maybe post-buff

[shadow ibex]

as long as opp isnt weird prio idc either way tbh

[rare kite]

Ahh, btw i found fishy comment. He said BB and sks sims the same. So in other words don't bother with sks

[shadow ibex]

as long as u dont have weird bullshit playing around opportunist having higher prio than MS like early this tier

[rare kite]

Gzz on queen kill btw

[lean geode]

I just find I run out of rage a lot with EB and no SkS

Could be too many slams ig but like am I just supposed to sit there and fuck myself or

Rage feels really good with this build but damage is a little sus

[rare kite]

Never play without skyfury xD

Forreal tho when testing i think you just accept getting starved sometimes

[lean geode]

SkS + Opp has seemed to be the highest performing on average

But my stats are kinda wack and ptr and dummy and all that

maybe a few % ahead of slurry on avg

[rare kite]

If you have low crit that would explain it

[lean geode]

I mean I have like 10k on ptr

11k each of haste and mast

Using SV neck from live bc I cba to craft a crit/haste one

[minor gust]

[wind vault]

Does anyone know where this trinket drops in 11.1? Is it from delves?

[thick kelp]

delves yeah

[wind vault]

Oh so it might be hc ilvl .. pretty good I guees 😁

[rare kite]

It's prob okay, house of cards better

[dim basalt]

5.8k at only 600 is a lot, no?

[wind vault]

Yeah but I am not raiding. Just m+ and delves 🤗

[rare kite]

Don't need to raid, can use dinars(whatever they are called this time)

[gray herald]

you need to raid to get those

[eager sigil]

not alot tho

[gray herald]

depends if 'not raiding' means they will do lfr/normal

also still have to wait like 15 weeks for those dinars right

[eager sigil]

yea

[gray herald]

what week of this tier are we rn

[eager sigil]

19 or so

[gray herald]

[naive sage]

This season was too long

[wind vault]

To get dinars I need to clear raid every single week so I guees it's not for me

[rare kite]

Just do lfr

[astral yarrow]

There will supposedly be catch up for it

[brittle fiber]

nvm arms warrior stinks!!!!!!!!!!!

god i hate juggernaut randomly dropping despite high uptime

[gusty oxide]

Prolly to offset the randomness of having Crit OR haste

[feral umbra]

Hey Guys, may some1 explain the Execute Rota for Dummies? ( For me xD ) Do i just press MS if i have both Buffs from OP and Execute?

[dim basalt]

Tier stacks are enough, you only really press op when low on rage (like less than 70 or so)

[feral umbra]

THis Part of the Maxroll Guide is confusing me. 😄

[eager sigil]

what part is confusing?

[boreal quartz]

From tier and ep

[astral yarrow]

You can just exe exe op ms really

[fresh spire]

If you want to be optimal you need to watch tier stacks. If you don't care and rather just a chill rotation that does i think it was 9k less dps your free too

[next flame]

9k from whats expected 2mil++ ST? Aka less than 0.5%

[thick kelp]

9k from s1

[magic canopy]

Stack of cards prob still our bis trinky

Torqs big red doo doo

[fresh spire]

Cards or sea foruim

Cards I think gains value when fights longer than 5 mins

More uses the better it gets right?

[eager sigil]

yea

atleast the tooltip says that

[fresh spire]

Like all end bosses cards will be bis with the last boss trinket.

I haven't checked how it fairs from heroic vs other things.

Delve had a powerful 1.5m crit/haste trinket

[shadow ibex]

Big red is that bad? 3 min mega str and second effect

We have tons of crit

I'm surprised ngl

[shy tide]

@smoky kayak can you mindcontroll blizzard to delete all sources of CDR besides AM just so all warrior specs can stop feeling clunky with everything desyncing because of 2-3 different sources of CDR that all work differently

tyvm

[shadow ibex]

Delete jugg

Shit is ass

[fossil thistle]

Just remove CDs from warrior abilties and allow us to refresh avatar recklessness CS whenever we want

[shy tide]

😕

[shadow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/fine-caesar-julius-jones-kingdom-business-okay-gif-16844891427054675698

[shadow ibex]

queen dead just in time btw

[fresh spire]

Current gear is kezan/Seaforium

Like delve has a fuck ton of solid trinkets this time

(They are 665)

[steep osprey]

heroic right?

[eager sigil]

665 is hc?

[fresh spire]

Yeh

[steep osprey]

only way to get em is either vault or getting map

which is very low %

[eager sigil]

vault isnt too bad on those i think

[steep osprey]

I think they need to introduce a better way of acquiring loot in delves

[fresh spire]

More chance to vault a delve item than Dungeons.

[steep osprey]

like trinkets

[eager sigil]

not as diluted as m+ pool

[fresh spire]

Way smaller loot table

[steep osprey]

That's true

[fresh spire]

Like 4 solid delve trinkets

[steep osprey]

at least i don't have to spam m+ with some 4 shitters

[fresh spire]

Until bis

[steep osprey]

to get my bis item

[eager sigil]

pretty sure grim batol has more lootable items than the entire delve loots

[steep osprey]

LMFAO

Do you know how long it took me to get the agi trinket on my shaman?

a lot

and I only got 1 drop of it across all my chars

even tho i was playing some 2m agi users

Hope they do something about that next time they introduce an old dungeon from cata

because it had 3 cloaks

2 boots

3 rings

2 helms

all in ONE spec loot

enha

[fresh spire]

The loot table on gb was stupid

Actually stupid amount of items in one dungeon. Some classed had it way way way worse than others too

[steep osprey]

yeah i really hope they avoid that

[eager sigil]

my alt dh got it first vault

[fresh spire]

(Ofc house of cards is onuse for controllable burst)

[eager sigil]

😄

[steep osprey]

I do not like you

[steep osprey]

Well, I am less mad about raid loot because you can't really farm it

[eager sigil]

boost rats got rewarded

[steep osprey]

you have to do a key over and over and over

to get your bis trinket

but in raid u can only do it once or twice a week

[shadow ibex]

problem with delve loot imo is opportuntiy cost

like passing on super awesome raid loot with proc effects

[eager sigil]

i mean you always have that

[shadow ibex]

and the pool is weird

[lament elbow]

are all the trinkets 665 in that sim or is kezan, seaforium and house of cards 678

[eager sigil]

if it does more dam than the other items you take it

[fresh spire]

Kez/house/sea are 678

As dungeon/raid

[shadow ibex]

is house from raid

i forget tbh

[steep osprey]

What's the purple trinket

[shadow ibex]

or new dun

[steep osprey]

Yes it is

[shadow ibex]

im surprised the hype machine isnt doin better

its pretty much old warriors soul

and that was imba

[steep osprey]

what's hype machine

oh

[shadow ibex]

idr the name just that think that gives haste and looks likea boombox

[steep osprey]

It's Radio something

[shadow ibex]

reverb radio yea

hype machine is the far better name tbh

[fresh spire]

Monster energy

60% uptime it seems

[eager sigil]

warjooce

[shadow ibex]

I hope that bis weapon loses to the stacking dot axe looting that mace is gonna be impossible since everyone wants it

[fresh spire]

Bis is nis

Bis*

[shadow ibex]

Yea I figured

[fresh spire]

Both are hammers aren't they?

[shadow ibex]

The one use is 2 mins yea?

The dot weap is axe I think

[fresh spire]

Only druid can use it right? Think the boomkin in my guild said there is something else they wanted

If that's true I don't know

[eager sigil]

evoker too probably

[shadow ibex]

Evoker can use 2h mace I think

[eager sigil]

hpal?

[shadow ibex]

And pal

[eager sigil]

yea its not as bad as it seems

[steep osprey]

what about fury

[shadow ibex]

Fury eating good

Gets both

[fresh spire]

Unsure for fury. Other people doing sim work rn

House surely bis

Ain't no way its not

[shadow ibex]

Bis on use is 2mins?

[eager sigil]

house of cards is 1.5min now

[shadow ibex]

I mean the on use on the weapon bis

[eager sigil]

oh yea i think so

[shadow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/kinda-funny-tim-gettys-im-done-dissapointed-mad-gif-18311836

It'll line up with a random BS at least

Go go slayer CDR

[eager sigil]

no swifty one shot macro

[shadow ibex]

Good on them for changing house to 90

[fresh spire]

Line up with a Cs bladestorm surely

There is likely more gains to get from bis for holding or using if Cs is up or bladestorm etc. Not done any deep diving into raid items mostly just getting specs functionally up to date (until they buff something else this Wednesday instead surely)

[icy mulch]

Ok, that's pretty amusing. lol. Surprised it wasn't haste.

[zenith warren]

any guesses for 11.1 release datE?

[eager sigil]

late feb early march

[clever wave]

In AOE situations during Sweeping do we priortize execute targets and run the execute rotation during our aoe or is still just aoe only priority until 1 target?

and also I'm assuming outside of sweeping we dont do execute rotation unless I'm wrong about that (in aoe situations)

[eager sigil]

probably depends on the build you are running

[clever wave]

RUnning Slayer

w/o skullsplitter

for M+

[eager sigil]

jugg?

[clever wave]

No

M+ build

[eager sigil]

yea mate theres like 10 builds

[clever wave]

hold up

i'll find mine rq

[eager sigil]

if its not jugg you probably just keep cleaving

[autumn quiver]

Just cameback to the game and see that arms is still the same, why aven't we got a rework already? Like it feels so clunky. Why aren't they taking any risk with this specs

[dim basalt]

Is this from delves as well?

[autumn quiver]

I saw monk got a plunderstorm ability, what about we replace execute animation with the searing axe from plunderstorm and make it our only spender. Like MS Slam and overpower synergy is so off right now

[wide apex]

I don't think removing all spenders and replacing them with 1 would make the spec better.

[dim basalt]

Especially with a clunkier one

And Demolish kinda is searing axe ngl

[shadow ibex]

The axe doesn't require a target so it's better

[halcyon valve]

This

Demolish still needs to be updated to not cancel itself when the main target is out of range tho

[fresh spire]

change from targeted to frontal 🙂

[steep osprey]

Yeah I’m up for this

[shy tide]

@fresh spire why are your trinket bis sims lower than current 629 bm hunter ST

[finite mantle]

[shy tide]

so arms is like bottom dps currently and a bit wonky on the ptr

dont look at the other spec

idk what fury is but it probably does less than a mistweaver

more tuning please blizzard

[thick kelp]

what number is

bm at

[shy tide]

well bm is probably bugged out of its ass with the changes

[dim basalt]

(as usual)

[shy tide]

but its doing 2-3M ST in dungeons atm on ptr scaled to 629

[magic canopy]

jarms and fury will receive a tuning pass soon

pack leader will also probably be nerfed

[shy tide]

only spec that even came close to any of the other specs i saw

[thick kelp]

Jarms

[shy tide]

was colosus arms because it can pop off sometimes

but even that is really bad

[dim basalt]

Well there were tuning changes for arms that got reverted immediately

That were pretty much +20% across the board

And atm we assume that it will be added at some point

[shy tide]

atleast arms isnt in the state fury is atm

thatd be pretty bad

[steep osprey]

It’s that bad?

[shy tide]

yes

RA sucks

[steep osprey]

Somethings up with Bm, I was doing insane aoe sustain on 6 targets on ptr

[shy tide]

OF is very mid with the keystone from avatar being removed

[magic canopy]

its the pack leader rework

its nutty

[steep osprey]

Are you saying it sucks numerically or how it feels

[shy tide]

fury's niche of burst AoE is nerfed pretty hard

losing avatar on 2nd OF cast is pretty big

[steep osprey]

That’s not their niche anymore so you can forget about that lol

We’ll get something else

[magic canopy]

also on 99% of targets they will die before to dot finishes ticking

if it stacked like ignite it would be one thing

but a long duration bleed is worse

[steep osprey]

I’d like if it stays a ST talent

[shy tide]

RA is just bad dmg wise

[lean geode]

Feels kinda weird imo but current RA is giga unintuitive for people who don't go out of their way to read guides and stuff (which is most players)

Numerically though I think new RA is better than current

[shy tide]

its barely above AM dmg

[steep osprey]

And AM for aoe

[steep osprey]

That’s definitely not true

It’s way better than live RA

[shy tide]

you have the buff for like what

every 12 seconds per 1:30

[steep osprey]

Yeah it is, but they said they want to maintain it as a fury aoe CD

Which means they’ll buff it eventually to be strong enrich

[shadow ibex]

I love when things in a SPEC TREE aren't affected by mastery

[steep osprey]

It’s 24 seconds lol

[shy tide]

im just saying fury needs a LOT of buffing

[steep osprey]

And the BB bleed is insanely big

[shadow ibex]

If they make it affected by mast sure

[steep osprey]

It does a good part of your damage on ST

[icy mulch]

Surely

[shy tide]

cant believe youre making me log onto the ptr again

to log into stinky brown class

[steep osprey]

Lmao

[shadow ibex]

The dot does like 300k

[shy tide]

and especially fury

[steep osprey]

Idk when you tested but it was huge last time I did

[shy tide]

today

[steep osprey]

Weirdge

[shy tide]

fury is struggling to keep up with pre arms execute ST

thats fcking bad

[steep osprey]

I definitely did not have that issue

[lean geode]

That's omega cap yenny

[steep osprey]

Are you playing the correct talents lol

I did more damage in fury than arms on st dummies

By FAR

[shadow ibex]

Did you play it when we had the 20% to everything

[shy tide]

today

[gaunt owl]

[steep osprey]

There’s no way you played the correct fury talents because that sounds sus

[lean geode]

I did about 1.6m on both slayer fury and arms for my dummy tests

[gaunt owl]

Fury just has shit ST

always have for a long time

[lean geode]

My arms gear kinda bad tho

10k/11k/11k

[shy tide]

i dont like that they require you to take sudden death for slayer too now

evil blizzard moment

[fresh spire]

might be because of the lack of changes sims are more accurate than the class that had its 2nd rework since df compared to the 0 reworks

[steep osprey]

And bm is either bugged or way overtuned

If they’re gonna buff OF, it’s gotta be 115%, not 15%

[shy tide]

idk i feel like mountain thane benefits the most from these RA changes

but 33% of your bloodbath dmg taking like 30 seconds per burst window to come out

is really fcking weird

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[lime whale]

[shy tide]

any stem community members

[potent bough]

Got my stem bucks ty!

[shy tide]

are you actually playing with the funny 4 seconds longer reck

[icy mulch]

I'm an Information Systems specialist. Does that count?

Actually classified as a IST, but same shit.

[dire hinge]

Me keep web servers online unga bunga

[obtuse copper]

Yeah I'm in STEM

Scrazy
Tinsane
Egaming
Mwarlord

[shy tide]

[silk spade]

hello un4ch

[shy tide]

@steep osprey did some more unhinged testing and maybe warrior is kinda okay, i do not like the RA bleed tho

looks nice on a dummy

but its kinda dumb that it goes up to like 50+ seconds

and thats like almost or more than 10% of your totall dps being backloaded

[steep osprey]

Depths of insanity? Yes, definitely

And obviously berserkers torment

With frenzied enrage

[steep osprey]

Does fix the burst issue lmao

I don’t mind the long bleed tbh

Maybe I’d prefer a mechanic like ignite but then again I don’t care

[lean geode]

DoI gotta be fake, surely UF would be better on average no? And UF is stinky doodoo

[shy tide]

if you play correctly you can consistently get up to 45 or longer second bleeds

thats a LOT of your power there

[steep osprey]

UF is like 2 min per proc lol

[shy tide]

UF is completly rng

there is no bad luck protection or semi rng with it

its kinda fucked up

you can turbo high roll

or not proc for 1:30

[steep osprey]

True

[shy tide]

it was kinda okay when OS could also proc it

[steep osprey]

That’s why I want them to change it to something like pulsar from balance

Or make it’s proc chance 12%

[shy tide]

but realisticly 6% proc for 1 bloodcraze

is kinda rough for a talent point

unless you go schizo mode and use the shitty avatar choice node

[steep osprey]

Every 600 rage spent you get a 6 second reck or something

[shy tide]

getting a proc every 8 rampages

is very high roll

[steep osprey]

It’s a hypothetical

1200 let’s say

The number the doesn’t matter

Either buff chance or that either works

[shy tide]

when did they nerf it again

they nerfed the chance + removed the chance from the OS choice node

[steep osprey]

And I want DoI to be critical Strike damage during reck that increases by 2% per second

Until it ends

[steep osprey]

90% reck uptime

Abberus

[shy tide]

best tier

2-4% variance

lowest variance class

was great

[steep osprey]

I think it’s fine it was nerfed but they went overboard with things like UF

[eager sigil]

but abberus arms

[shy tide]

and then abberus arms got buffed more

and we all started playing the MS crit cassino

[steep osprey]

Fits the name too

[shy tide]

god i loved fury prog in aberus

[steep osprey]

The deeper into insanity you are

The more crit damage you do

[eager sigil]

i loved pressing ignore pain in my rotation

[shy tide]

reverse ramping

is sus

for a cd

that is

before you start yapping about jug

[steep osprey]

Idk true shot has similar mechanics

I think it’s fine to make it a stronger

[shy tide]

give me the RA bleed

[steep osprey]

UF 12% chance pls

[shy tide]

but just make the bleed stronger and stronger

the more you use it

[dim basalt]

Surrender to madness arms edition

[steep osprey]

This play style makes you wanna delay rampage even further which sucks but if rampage was stronger you’ll just ignore everything to press it on rage

[dim basalt]

lowkey something like stm would make sense

[shy tide]

guys please dont kill boss for kill time

my 50 second dot

[steep osprey]

Fury not arms

[dim basalt]

Fuck fury

Who cares about fury

[steep osprey]

How do they fix rampage being pressed on cd

Without making ra useless

I think RA should also improve rampage

[shy tide]

put siegebreaker effect on rampage

lock in

[quaint otter]

[steep osprey]

I hate delaying rampage tbh

[strange perch]

me! hello! 😊

[shy tide]

delaying rampage is fine

overcapping is kinda sus

[steep osprey]

I think they should increase our rage

[shy tide]

which does happen with RA BT

[steep osprey]

And increase rampage cost

[shy tide]

were gonna end up with a 300 rage rampage

and 500 rage cap

[quaint otter]

Too 300

[steep osprey]

It would help with overcapping

150 rampage

[steep osprey]

Wait a second, what if rampage does more damage the more you overcap

Like feral has this thing where you get combo points back if you’ve filled them

[quaint otter]

New talent

[steep osprey]

What if rampage does more damage based on overcapped rage

[quaint otter]

Ye sub has accumulation too

[shy tide]

you know you are just gonna slam your builders as long as you are enraged then

[quaint otter]

As if its bad

[steep osprey]

At that point just increase rage cap lol

Or nerf rage generation and buff abilities

I played in bfa and rage generation wasn’t this insane

Even in reck

You rarely overcapped

They had the numbers right there

[shy tide]

bfa was just BT --> fillers --> rampage

cshb go brr

sl was famous for BT whirlwind whirlwind BT early on

[gaunt owl]

and SL introduced the silly CB - > CB -> Rampage bis repetita

Sl was a mistake