i didn't raid at all s1 so idk what are best picks for each boss
#arms
finite wasp
full merlin
best sim settings for arms M+?
gilded stump
i didn't raid at all s1 so idk what are best picks for each boss
I don't like the feel of slayer arms
Slayer just naturally feels good on fury
finite wasp
slayer arms is only good for raid and overall it is a piece of shit spec
shadow ibex
there is no magic bullet
oak kite
Buffs are reverted already? Wth? Am I reading it wrong?
minor gust
its all over the buffs were not meant to be
minor gust
minor gust
they givith and they taketh
abstract cairn
In the midst of we're so back, there was, an inevitable it's so over
i cry 😢
gusty nymph
minor gust
river ridge
There's no shot we're going live like this lmao. They'll nerf something (hopefully just the tier set)
shadow ibex
The tier set that doesn't proc
visual fern
minor gust
Poor EU boys went to sleep happy with buffs on their minds only to have to wake up the next morning to this
cosmic shale
It's laughable tbh
finite wasp
There's no shot we're going live like this lmao. They'll nerf something (hopeful...
dont lose hope ( im serious ) blizzard tends to stay firm on their class changes
shadow ibex
Pretty on brand for warrior
finite wasp
wait what they reverted it
are u serious i thought it wasnt real
the dream will never happen
clear barn
Perfect ending for this season, coming out of the gates screaming, only to nerf us into oblivion and then tease us right at the end with relevancy.
nova marsh
Dude warrior is the f tier class
It will always be that way
Those buffs were too good to be true 😦
weak rain
no bleeds buff I schleep
barren ivy
Dude warrior is the f tier class
I still say someone got destroyed by a warrior wielding Stunherald back in TBC and has been damn bitter about it since.
eternal plinth
what changed for arms in the ptr that made them get the big buff
lean geode
what changed for arms in the ptr that made them get the big buff
They fucking stank bud
versed carbon
Did they rlly reverted 🥲🥲🥲
eternal plinth
i mean yeah, but fury's can be traced back to the AM change, was there any specific change to arms that led to the buff or did we just stank and that's it
lean geode
Did they rlly reverted 🥲🥲🥲
Yes but it's quite possible they're just going to do bulk numerical tuning later on and wanted it to be lumped in with other classes
neon ocean
I'm curious about that as well, how did arms fall so far behind when they didn't receive those structural changes that fury did initially
versed carbon
I'm curious about that as well, how did arms fall so far behind when they didn't...
Scaling a guess ?
I
lean geode
Scaling isn't really a thing anymore with aura buffs every patch tbh
I mostly play fury so idrk what the structural issues with arms are tbh
But that shit stank bad on ptr
People were mentioning a change to colossus execute not giving colossal might stacks or something
eternal plinth
oh yeah
lean geode
Idk why slarms is so bad, it hasn't really changed compared to 11.0.7 other than the tier set obviously
lean geode
I need you to look at the top right of your keytboard
there should be a button that says prt sc
or print screen
I need you to press that button'
scenic umbra
No
lean geode
I would die before playing ranged dps
thick hamlet
what kind of ptr buffs get reverted within 2 hours
must've been a mistake in the first place
weak rain
they reverted it because it would be too op with rework coming up next ptr build
brittle fiber
one of the balance team was like "oh shit just realised these are warrior abilities lol" and recoded them to shaman abilities
vast surge
cobalt sinew
oak kite
absolute dick move man
still if others are buffed nothing changes for us anyway
even with a buff
weak rain
just embrace shaman within
proud remnant
where are these ptr notes for the buffs and nerfs i dont even see them on wowhead
proud remnant
Ahhh
slow saddle
https://www.wowhead.com/news/reverted-class-tuning-hotfixes-on-11-1-ptr-for-janu...
Tbf not rly the buffs we were lookin for
Dmg isnt the biggest issue
brittle fiber
It does when rend and slam do near identical damage
slow saddle
Couldda kept the ms buff
brittle fiber
For button press ^
tbh the fact they even released as many abilities being tuned as tells me that theyre rescaling it or the hopium that it was meant to be released with a bit more
slow saddle
I want more baseline ms power
brittle fiber
Or an intern was trying to make us happy but management said no
weak rain
they should stop buffing ms, its just stupid, buff sustained dmg things like bleeds
slow saddle
Lol fuck off
Baseline ms hits like a wetnoodle
Problem is modifiers if anything
Now that they halfed modifiers from op, ms prob needs more
rare kite
Dmg isnt the biggest issue
true, but getting actual good gameplay changes feel a bit unrealistic atm
slow saddle
true, but getting actual good gameplay changes feel a bit unrealistic atm
Hmm true
Unless we get a real arms player as an intern. And equip him with a cattle prod
weak rain
they just perma buff ms, which is boring af, just buff things like bleeds, tom or something
give some gameplay, not just zugzug me press ms me do dmg
untold trench
Did not expect to look into arms and see ppl calling for ms to hit for less
weak rain
I mean, it hits fine, modifiers are crazy ofc
instead maybe do something with juggernaut and base execute
cuz execute is a joke(especially non slayer)
wooden lava
they reverted it because it would be too op with rework coming up next ptr build
Rework? Where did u hear that
halcyon valve
finite wasp
Rework? Where did u hear that
where is the rework
fresh spire
halcyon valve
we dont even need a rework tbh lets be real
just a handful of changes to some talents
hexed saddle
yeah we do lol
halcyon valve
stay small
hexed saddle
who are u again
gusty oxide
I knew it was a Lucid dream
steep osprey
rare kite
we dont even need a rework tbh lets be real
just a handful of changes to some ta...
Holy moly, might be one of the worst opinions i have read here(and that's saying alot)
hexed saddle
halcyon valve
Holy moly, might be one of the worst opinions i have read here(and that's saying...
doomer brain
changes are needed, not a full rework
gaunt owl
that's not something i have on my bingo card
halcyon valve
its that simple
hexed saddle
spec hasnt changed in 8 years "yeah guys we actually dont need a rework haha"
find some better takes
halcyon valve
find something else to do other than cry about "wahh wahh rework when blizzard, i need my rework now waah waah"
tribal kindle
Rework Arms please 🙏
halcyon valve
especially in here, where blizzard wont see shit. if you have concrete ideas, suggest them on the blizz forums or whatever
hexed saddle
shits been suggested for ages via private forums
hexed saddle
just rage bait
no reason for warrior not to be reworked once after ret got their 3rd in 2 years
nimble yoke
surely we don't need a rework guys just buff all numbers by 200%
and rework shaman and paladin again for the 40th time
hexed saddle
only class in the game to not receive a rework since DF launch
nimble yoke
maybe mage too?
brittle fiber
especially in here, where blizzard wont see shit. if you have concrete ideas, su...
they dont listen
ive posted a yappathon on there
hexed saddle
yeah they do not give a fuck about public forums
if u think they do ur naive as shit
naive sage
find something else to do other than cry about "wahh wahh rework when blizzard, ...
You must live on another planet or never played arms in the last 8 years
Either way, change opinions, they’re wrong
halcyon valve
You must live on another planet or never played arms in the last 8 years
Either ...
i have played nonstop arms for 4 years, piss off with your "grrrr you have the wrong™️ opinion"
fucking thought police in here
gaunt owl
dim basalt
I'm with the others tbh, I started playing Arms with TWW and this spec just feels very outdated in comparison to pretty much every other melee spec
weak rain
yes, bring back bfa style arms
tribal kindle
i agree bfa arms is >>>>>>> Shadowlands, DF and TWW
naive sage
yes, bring back bfa style arms
Bring something new like every other class in the game got instead of aura buffs
hexed saddle
i agree bfa arms is >>>>>>> Shadowlands, DF and TWW
its the same spec
weak rain
idk, but focused rage would be better than focking slam
hexed saddle
almost nothing has changed since bfa
thats like THE reason people want a rework, cause bfa was shit
gaunt owl
BFA Uldir tier or BFA Nyalotha tier ?
untold pewter
Bring something new like every other class in the game got instead of aura buffs
Genuinely don't care about "new for the sake of new". They could legit just revert to Antorus Arms and we'd have the best iteration in previous years but that's not "new"
gaunt owl
there is literally night and day at the start and end of BFA xpac
naive sage
Genuinely don't care about "new for the sake of new". They could legit just reve...
Bfa arms is almost the same as it is now so
weak rain
almost nothing has changed since bfa
idk, fba had way different dmg profile and general feeling to the spec
gaunt owl
https://nether.wowhead.com/video-stream/356019-11-1-drive?dataEnv=1&locale=0
tokyo drift music popping in
untold pewter
Can we delete skull splitter yet
hexed saddle
idk, fba had way different dmg profile and general feeling to the spec
the damage profile was "dont do damage" until nyalotha and then it was "dont do damage until 35%"
the design was shit
untold pewter
Bfa arms is almost the same as it is now so
Sure but SL Arms wasn't, it played very nicely with night fae
weak rain
Can we delete skull splitter yet
previous iteration of sks was better, they just needed to make DW linger for like 2 sec after sks
weak rain
the damage profile was "dont do damage" until nyalotha and then it was "dont do ...
20% *, not 35%
and arms was doing dmg
hexed saddle
i liked the version of skullsplitter that just gave rage
gaunt owl
Sure but SL Arms wasn't, it played very nicely with night fae
slightly different flavor same gameplay
quasi torrent
the damage profile was "dont do damage" until nyalotha and then it was "dont do ...
and even u did deep wounds and exe dmg only
hexed saddle
20% *, not 35%
im pretty sure arms had massacre in bfa
halcyon valve
previous iteration of sks was better, they just needed to make DW linger for lik...
or like, make sks do bonus damage per bleed on the target and benefit from bleed damage effects like bloodborne, instead of consuming the bleed effects or making them tick faster
quasi torrent
2EP arms felt okay to play in Uldir, but that got removed obv
weak rain
im pretty sure arms had massacre in bfa
Yes, but they used fervor of battle over it bro
untold pewter
slightly different flavor same gameplay
Ah we didn't have sks bullshit in SL, and cooldowns aligned very nicely
To me it was far superior to colossus/slayer designs
hexed saddle
Yes, but they used fervor of battle over it bro
only sometimes
quasi torrent
im pretty sure arms had massacre in bfa
You had, but rend and fob were better if u got off ur full lucid dreams combo without
weak rain
only sometimes
what? you sometimes played massacre, like on ilgynoth
hexed saddle
u didnt play fob on ilgynoth or vexiona
weak rain
fervor was go to pick
fresh spire
halcyon valve
gambling on getting the correct torment proc on pull when playing venthyr was funny. 50/50 whether you would spin or have infinity rage
weak rain
sl arms was okay
quasi torrent
True kings played mass on final boss man to get 2 lucids
slow saddle
Flat profile,
hexed saddle
True kings played mass on final boss man to get 2 lucids
i think u played massacre on carapace too for this shit
maybe not
hexed saddle
i remember playing massacre on that fight at some point but i cant remember why
weak rain
idk, but it was funny as shit seeing SKS burst in season 2 of DF, kinda miss it
untold pewter
I kind of don't like Slayer being the go-to single target spec
Bladestorm in st feels kind of lame, especially during execute
There was a time bs was pure filler in st and imo that's ideal. Or just not taken at all
And ravager doesn't compare (for slayer), which is silly
weak rain
I agree, I wish at least pants build will make a comeback or smth(like in df)
naive sage
I had fun in df s1 with no bs jugg build
untold pewter
Damn right
Also they could finally make colossus cds line up better now, come on, been a whole patch 
naive sage
In m+ I mean
halcyon valve
I agree, I wish at least pants build will make a comeback or smth(like in df)
seems unlikely if unhinged stays in
brittle fiber
we need schlong build
weak rain
certanly buffing MS baseline more will only increase unhinged value
halcyon valve
especially with another round of ms buffs, that talent just does a lot more than fatality ever could, no pants build
weak rain
and slayer will always be ahead this way
halcyon valve
not necessarily? colossus has 15% increased ms dmg in their tree
weak rain
Slayer can't function without bs, colossus can function without rava/bs. Slayer is better in pure st. So as long as they are buffing MS more, it should benefit slayer more idk
halcyon valve
with ravager/unhinged, exhilarating blows, maybe even battlelord, theres a lot of ms to go around
untold pewter
Even so, colossus right now only serves the purpose of giga burst windows
For raid
halcyon valve
demolish guaranteed crit and we win
untold pewter
And without cleave shit just doesn't align naturally, and any forced downtime makes it a shitshow
weak rain
I mean, for st only, unironically buffing bleeds buffs colo more for example
halcyon valve
arterial bleed moment
untold pewter
Sigh it is what it is, excellent takes all around and Blizz trying to slap some aura buff
Not sure why reverted though
Maybe they realized they need to tackle the real problems? 
vital mural
Hi, I do not understand why Cleave is in the first place of damage done when it's never casted below https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/1eXzK9Nmf9WxYRhHcrmdoM
swift crown
Hi, I do not understand why Cleave is in the first place of damage done when it'...
You're not looking far enough down
That's just DSlice
vital mural
oh
thick kelp
Dont sim dungeon slice if u cant read it
also the apl isnt too well optimized for that
vital mural
it's a MM+ simulation, I mustn't use Cleave before 2nd minute ? 😄
of it start simulation with mono target maybe ?
teal fossil
Yes the first fight is a boss
vital mural
oh ok
brittle fiber
i like how someone asked this question like 6 times a few hours ago and no one replied
vital mural
I really want to play Arms even if Fury is better
fresh spire
Slayer will always be ahead on st unless blizzard buff the lost gain from Colossal might.
quasi torrent
warrior hero talents (sleeping emoji)
brittle fiber
Blizzard buffing the | | |
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minor gust
ITS LOSS
quasi torrent
(it doesn't format properly on phone)
minor gust
ITS ALWAYS LOSS
quasi torrent
boreal quartz
Soeder
gusty oxide
We are the season 1 sacrifice , being good week one and then plunge
And this since at least bfa
halcyon valve
Blizzard buffing the | | |
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patch notes: buffed .:|:;
naive sage
ඞ
ornate aurora
https://nether.wowhead.com/video-stream/356019-11-1-drive?dataEnv=1&locale=0
Not sure if someone has made one yet
astral talon
wtf is that lmao
minor gust
A car drifting
astral talon
why does it look so bad xD
brittle fiber
Not sure if someone has made one yet
That’s funny as lmfao
quiet merlin
Sorry guys did the arms buffs get reverted?
Or do we still have them? (For next season)
quiet merlin
Lol, the mortal strike, slam etc
minor gust
Never heard of em clearly you have misread something
minor gust
I was messing with you yeah it says it right there they were reverted
minor gust
Because they hate us
astral talon
cuz we can't have nice things
minor gust
in all seriousness tho the likely answer is this was a mistake and was meant to go with a bigger tuning patch
boreal quartz
Do we know why yet?
Cuz Söder
dim basalt
These changes would have made us really damn strong anyway
quiet merlin
in all seriousness tho the likely answer is this was a mistake and was meant to ...
Well as a warrior I might not be able to read, but at least I can dream...
fresh spire
Likely reverted to be pushed with the build it was intended with.
minor gust
Blizzard has the chance to do something really funny and do a massive tuning patch next week and not have any of the warrior stuff
swift crown
@uncut shard it's literally your fault
brittle fiber
can we pretend that arms interns in the night sky are like shooting stars
uncut shard
<@1205862386280435764> it's literally your fault
Shut up james
shrewd crow
dim basalt
We still yippie about our overpowered tier
shadow ibex
The 4pc doesn't even proc
zenith warren
Ia there a point to assign cds for adds on platforms in p2 queen now?
boreal quartz
Well it's more so you dont send ppl to tp on their cds
Unless u actually need to hold for an add i think yolo is fine
zenith warren
I got assigned cds as arms so I hold them for a minute from 3min to 4min but feels like it melts regardless
shadow ibex
With ring and raid buff there's no way you need to assign CDs
hot goblet
hi @boreal quartz
boreal quartz
slow saddle
We still yippie about our overpowered tier
Is it op vs fm tier
Is house of cards bis now?
dim basalt
Is it op vs fm tier<:keks:936231610850897992>
We can only compare ourselves with other melees 😦
slow saddle
As its 1.5m
fresh spire
For fury yes
dim basalt
For us prob too
slow saddle
Make mastery great again!!!
dim basalt
Mastery is a nice stat in M+
slow saddle
When they nerfed our other bleed
dim basalt
For dungeons that is
slow saddle
For real though my current guild is so bad that player over specc a million times
frosty lava
Despite how warrior looks in PTR, warrior is pretty good at sneaking an extra spot or 2 into a lot of raid comps for various reasons, I don't think raid spots will generally be a concern regardless of the situation
dim basalt
Kinda is because warrior is not unpopular
dim basalt
If we were as unpopular as monk we wouldn't have to worry as much
But there are a billion furies out there
frosty lava
Kinda is because warrior is not unpopular
Yea competition is always pretty big for us haha I'll agree there
dim basalt
Also if both dps specs are bad guilds can bring a prot instead
But that's optimization stuff
frosty lava
Even if both specs are bad, usually one of the 2 find a niche that keeps their spot over prot tho
Like fury's bursty aoe profile, or arms with either 2 tar cleave or execute prio dam
frosty lava
not saying it's always true every tier, but often one of those 3 are necessary
dim basalt
Think Arms was only used for Kyveza prog?
frosty lava
Yea I'm not saying arms or fury is always useful every tier, but atleast one of the 2 find a niche that allows dps warrior to keep their spot over prot
dim basalt
Yet
I'm not sure if Arms will have that execute niche next tier
If the set goes live like that
fresh spire
Battleshout
frosty lava
I'm not sure if Arms will have that execute niche next tier
I mean, a lot of the current execute dam arms brings rn is from MS anyways
dim basalt
Exactly
frosty lava
with the stacking OP + Execute MS buffs
so 4set still buffs execute
execute window*
dim basalt
Next tier we will have higher priority on OP
So less executes
But gotta wait for sims ig
frosty lava
When MS is critting with 2x OP 2x Execute live rn for like 6-7 mil on target dummies (no aug or whatever), I don't see why we'd avoid using MS when we hit max buff stacks
weak rain
another thing is that we probably won't take cruel strikes, so a bit less execute value
frosty lava
Just pull the rip cord and give both arms and fury their legion execute potential back 🥺
fresh spire
Apl isn't changed a whole lot. Wahle has found some prio when high stacks of winning streak in execute likely to force procs but colossus for most part is unchanged
I have yet to test if the 20% buff to overpower makes any difference but when ms and execute is also buffed hard to say its gonna be that much
frosty lava
Can't really test anything, they got reverted
We'll likely see them in a larger PTR build, or atleast most of them if they choose to change a few numbers
naive breach
blizz teasing the boys
dim basalt
Apl isn't changed a whole lot. Wahle has found some prio when high stacks of win...
Interesting
true kiln
Not taking the buff into account, how are warriors looking on PTR compared to other melee?
fickle lotus
Is there a Macro / Addon to have the old Execute Sound from Wod ?
eager sigil
Not taking the buff into account, how are warriors looking on PTR compared to ot...
so you dont wanna know about damage?
brittle fiber
For real though my current guild is so bad that player over specc a million time...
some guy in our mythic team said he has to change classes every season or he gets bored so we encouraged he finds another team
brittle fiber
Yea I'm not saying arms or fury is always useful every tier, but atleast one of ...
what the FUCK are you doing here
slow saddle
some guy in our mythic team said he has to change classes every season or he get...
Meta master?
brittle fiber
no, it's just his cope
slow saddle
Slave
frosty lava
what the FUCK are you doing here
brittle fiber
<:peepo:938582175522107442>
you coming back for s2?
frosty lava
you coming back for s2?
Yea, scuffed are reforming and I got in for a trial
we're so back rn
true kiln
so you dont wanna know about damage?
The damage is mainly what I’m looking for, but more so the current experience from warriors on PTR
eager sigil
The damage is mainly what I’m looking for, but more so the current experience fr...
not much changed
slow saddle
Low mid changable by encounter where profile is decent id guress
weak rain
at least it was looking like arms tier most likely
lethal vale
Wait, so they buffed arms alot then immediately reverted? I'm so confused, are they planning on bringing those buffs back?
stone marsh
When was the best version of arms in your opinion
stone marsh
Wait, so they buffed arms alot then immediately reverted? I'm so confused, are t...
They need the baby to try the candy before t aking it away for it to be fun
lethal vale
We didnt even try it though, they gave us the candy for like an hour and yoinked it away lol
fresh spire
Wait, so they buffed arms alot then immediately reverted? I'm so confused, are t...
likely was meant to come along side a build/weekly reset for ptr. can imagine they should be back in a few days
lethal vale
I just really want arms colossus to be viable for like one patch it is so fun
woven wasp
if demolish was a guaranteed crit, they would simply reduce the damage it deals and nothing would change
smoky kayak
idk why people think "guaranteed crit" means mega damage
any more than "make OF deal fire" means it will somehow gain damage
smoky kayak
difference is fatality is cast once a combat, whereas Demolish is cast pretty regularly
hell Demolish is cast more often than OF, it's hardly even a cooldown
smoky kayak
well, it's better for the the value of critical strike anyway; whether anyone will think it's better for gameplay is pretty subjective
Pretty obvious why people want it to auto-crit (or not crit as the case may be): it's a powerful and some people feel very strongly about the influence of RNG
but in general, the more often something is cast, the more its going to play to the average crit rate, so it should all wash out in the end, even if the cast-to-cast varies
weak rain
I think every buff to MS, OP, EXE whaterver jsut buffs slayer more. In order to buff colo they should buff specific colo talents or shit like bleeds
in pure st that is
smoky kayak
the only place it really makes a difference is Champion's Might, since it directly benefits crits and only crits, but Spear has never been a particularly great ability for Arms anyway, simply because it's so concentrated (and Arms' CDs last much longer)
smoky kayak
I think every buff to MS, OP, EXE whaterver jsut buffs slayer more. In order to ...
They buff both, but Colossus fell behind as a result of the Colossal Might/Execute change, which still needs to be compensated for
it was a good gameplay change, just needs some number love to make up for it
weak rain
ofc it buffs both, but slayer always seem to benefit more from it
I meant IF they wanted to buff colo st and not both
smoky kayak
idk if it's really "more" just that Colossus is playing at a handicap atm
weak rain
to pull ahead or smth
smoky kayak
Worth noting Colossus is also moving to a whole new build too, so there's still some polish to be done on our end
weak rain
pants build hype
fresh spire
Pants will never be a thing unless unhinged takes a 50% nerf
Even then 3% is still a strong capstone
When compared to the others
weak rain
let me dream
smoky kayak
Unhinged is a little too strong for Arms, but frankly not anywhere near its biggest problem (and still a big improvement over Hurricane besides), so not something I'm going to dedicate much time caring about tbh
fresh spire
As cringe as people think unhinged is. Its the one think making bladestorm in slayer not crap.
smoky kayak
I don't think that many people really think unhinged is cringe
steep osprey
any more than "make OF deal fire" means it will somehow gain damage
For me, it’s just a little cooler if it deals fire damage but that’s a very small thing lol
fresh spire
I begged for unhinged to be buffed for months at one point
In here that is
And now look how it become.
smoky kayak
however, some people do love to single out one specific thing and make it the scapegoat for all their complaints
whether or not it's actually the reason
fresh spire
Arms has the power between hero specs to have two diverse trees.
Ones very set. The other still needs a pick me up
smoky kayak
its coming along though
I'd be happy with Colossus as Battlelord + Unhinged and Slayer as Juggernaught + Unhinged
I'd also be happy with Colossus as Battlelord + Jugg, but I think you'd have a real hard time making Unhinged good for one and not the other
fresh spire
We know class tuning is coming. Who knows there could be potential talent updates coming
steep osprey
One thing I dislike about warrior hero talents is that there’s a barely difference
Enhancements 2 hero talents play completely differently
fresh spire
At least iwth colossus if they manage to push bl ahead jug will always be there for people to play if perfered
As its going to always be close
smoky kayak
One thing I dislike about warrior hero talents is that there’s a barely differen...
Well part of that is the base talent build issue, which is something they have been working on
boreal quartz
She hinge on my un till i mortal strike
fresh spire
But slayer will always be locked to jug
steep osprey
She hinge on my un till i mortal strike
smoky kayak
again, if Colossus ends up with Battlelord and Slayer Jugg, they will start to feel much more different
boreal quartz
again, if Colossus ends up with Battlelord and Slayer Jugg, they will start to f...
ty prepatch ms tuning
steep osprey
She hinge on my un till i mortal strike
Mortal strike three times
tacit crystal
its coming along though
I'd be happy with Colossus as Battlelord + Unhinged and ...
pants 🙂
boreal quartz
Mortal strike three times
Thank you i wasnt aware how the talent works
steep osprey
Thank you i wasnt aware how the talent works
It’s a joke
boreal quartz
Gumo Gio
shadow ibex
Unhinged gotta die sgain
smoky kayak
Honestly I think if Colossus ended up Battlelord + Jugg, it would be more boring than BL + Unhinged, since there'd be that much more overlap with Slayer
boreal quartz
I mean it's just not an optional talent that's the issue
Choice is cool
My issue with it anyways
steep osprey
Unhinged is just too good, neither specs ever play without it
smoky kayak
"choice" is a difficult concept when considering absolute performance
smoky kayak
Unhinged is just too good, neither specs ever play without it
I mean in the choice of 2 out of 3 things, one is always going to be universal
manic egret
I miss df s3 execute spam in m+
smoky kayak
The real issue is that Jugg and Battlelord is a hard combination, because they encourage competing concepts
- Jugg wants you to press Exe more, which means pressing OP and MS less
- BL wants you to press OP and MS more, which means pressing Exe less
you only have so many globals, you really cannot do everything
Unhinged probably is a little too strong for Arms, that's undeniable, but even if it took a hard nerf, it'd still probably be better than BL + Jugg, unless you killed the talent entirely
and the talent doesn't need to be killed entirely, it is objectively a good talent, with good gameplay interactions and helps keep up the value of other major cooldowns (BS/Rav)
fresh spire
Unhinged could take a 50% nerf rn and its still a bigger gain than the rest of our capstone
smoky kayak
Yeah, it could use a nerf, but I mean that nerf wouldn't really change anything
fresh spire
But its only that far ahead since ms has had several base auras making it even more powerful
smoky kayak
you'd have to absolutely decimate it to take it out of the main builds
timber lynx
We had it for like 1 patch 💀
fresh spire
Kill unhinged slayer feels worse. Or let it be semi strong for both specs between rav and bladestorm which does make a rotational change in colossus making you dump to buff it
smoky kayak
but BL + Jugg is kind of a pipe dream unless you manage to shit out some extra globals somewhere
shadow ibex
But its only that far ahead since ms has had several base auras making it even m...
Better to nuke it then have same play style for multiple tiers
fresh spire
Even if its dead its gonna be even close to same shit in both hero specs
And ones gonna suffer for it
smoky kayak
Better to nuke it then have same play style for multiple tiers
playstyle is already getting shaken up by other stuff
new tier set is good
and Unhinged had more influence on the Colossus playstyle this tier than it will next (assuming Jugg gets dropped)
fresh spire
Personal feelings between the hero trees is that the actual trees should include the playstyle change up instead of 4 nodes buffing flat damaged for abilities that if you stripped away is just the same thing.
fresh spire
Can i have aoe sd clap btw
Like this is something that could easily be part of the slayer tree instead of cyclone.
Mortal Combo could be in colossus etc
fresh spire
We have an abundance of old stuff that really fits the hero themes better than "30% op damage"
boreal quartz
Like this is something that could easily be part of the slayer tree instead of c...
Like reap is broken as shit
SD clap would be okay
And cool
fresh spire
Reap could be made more interesting
boreal quartz
Not gamba aoe but stack sd stacks for pad
Roar lego sd clap was rlly nice innate aoe in st spec
fresh spire
Oh Phil
boreal quartz
So was aftershock wb bs in sl
boreal quartz
Enlighten me
fresh spire
It's a real jump scare
fresh spire
Hahahaha
halcyon valve
sure love 2 point stat talents
boreal quartz
This is like
fresh spire
We love execute max crits hitting like 10m
boreal quartz
S3 df paw apl lore levels of aids
fresh spire
tacit crystal
fresh spire
Sks is down to 1% dps gain in slayer rn
shadow ibex
Dance of death still exists
fresh spire
But you have no other choice to swap it for
gaunt owl
magic canopy
Fuck sks take bloodsurge
fresh spire
Bloodsurge bad as your using finishing blows already
More rage more 40 rage executes
They are still tweeking bloodsurge. Maybe more buffs this week
tacit crystal
both sks bloodsure and dinishing are just there because rest are aoe talents right
smoky kayak
Personal feelings between the hero trees is that the actual trees should include...
I think Fury did a decent job of this, more of an issue with Arms' limited rotational kit
the original version of Slayer was very Overpower focused, whereas Colossus was Mortal Strike focused, which got streamlined into what we have now because it didn't really make sense - Slayer still wanted to prio Mortal Strike, and Colossus still used Overpower for obvious reasons
smoky kayak
they could probably do something with one valuing Overpower as the main filler and the other Slam, but I don't see one dropping Mortal Strike, so they're still going to end up pretty similar overall
fresh spire
It had such an identity crisis
smoky kayak
Fury also tried the same, with Slayer originally being RB focused and Thane being more BT, but both specs still had to use both, so they then abandoned that in favor of SD vs TC instead (which I think has worked pretty well tbh)
fresh spire
Only issue with thane is the ww nodes being semi required on st
smoky kayak
Yeah I didn't like that at first, but its kinda grown on me
fresh spire
Felt it sort of curbed its gains elsewhere for those 2 talent points
smoky kayak
I don't like that Imp WW is wasted, like it's just a requirement to get to MC
fresh spire
Fuck sks take bloodsurge
There is an alternate dor sks that's equal dps. Taking bb/finishing is same on sim
Holy
I guess with everything else getting buffed and bleeds untouched they slipping a bit more down
smoky kayak
imo they should have done this, rearrange Wrath & Fury to lead to Meat Cleaver without the need to take Imp WW
that way Thane could path from Imp RB -> W&F -> MC for the +25% damage (without any cleave benefits) in single target
while multitarget builds would still want to go Imp WW -> MC
fresh spire
I wonder. If arms had the same layout on the bottom of the tree would it be less aids
We do have a 1/1 gate but it's not that interesting
It does let us bridge pretty well
smoky kayak
I wonder. If arms had the same layout on the bottom of the tree would it be less...
depends on what connects to what, but I still don't think BL + Jugg is a very good combination
I wanted them to get rid of Valor in Victory and move Bladestorm up a spot 
fresh spire
(More about maybe saving 1 talent point I guess)
tacit crystal
would bl jugg turn into just playing for ep and wanting a bunch of passive rage gen
smoky kayak
like this
fresh spire
As all that would do rn is just give deft for slayer.
steep osprey
I was thinking about the reverted buffs and I’m confused why they think a 15% buff to OF is remotely enough
smoky kayak
would bl jugg turn into just playing for ep and wanting a bunch of passive rage ...
problem is its a conflicting priority,
- Jugg wants you to press Exe more, which means pressing OP and MS less
- BL wants you to press OP and MS more, which means pressing Exe less
and you only have so many globals, so you really cannot do everything
smoky kayak
As all that would do rn is just give deft for slayer.
right now, sure, but it eliminates a filler node and gives you more room to put points where you want them
I like the effect of Valor in Victory, but it is 100% a filler node that doesn't need to exist
fresh spire
Don't think we realistically are going to get the situation we want. Main difference at least right now is bl does more dps>35 while jug crushes under 35
Flattening profile><spiky end
smoky kayak
Don't think we realistically are going to get the situation we want. Main differ...
to be fair, that is the situation I want 
olive nest
#updates-midnight message
what does the title mean on this?
fresh spire
to be fair, that is the situation I want <a:peepolaugh:890741791928754206>
Sanctum arms was saved because of it
smoky kayak
https://discord.com/channels/148872210742771712/1234949058121171069/133251911320...
they reverted the hotfix for unknown reasons, maybe related to the class changes, maybe something else - wait for the next build to find out more
steep osprey
I’m beginning to sound like funky with OF
untold trench
I was thinking about the reverted buffs and I’m confused why they think a 15% bu...
If OF can keep up just a bit ahead of 45 sec roar, then it is likely in a fine spot for talent point value. Hard to say how much 15% would do things before we test it in m+ enviroment at a higher key level
fresh spire
I’m beginning to sound like funky with OF
As for your odyns comment. What ny thoughts is they don't want to over buff it.
smoky kayak
Sanctum was about the only tier I actually enjoyed playing Arms in SL, and only just barely
olive nest
they reverted the hotfix for unknown reasons, maybe related to the class changes...
alright got it, so all the buffs listed below are currently reverted?
wet cloud
hotfix buff gragas jumpscare nice
fresh spire
Last time they over buffed it they nerfed it 3 times back down like 75f of the buff
smoky kayak
alright got it, so all the buffs listed below are currently reverted?
yes, the entire hotfix was unapplied
olive nest
yes, the entire hotfix was unapplied
thank you for clarifying
steep osprey
As for your odyns comment. What ny thoughts is they don't want to over buff it.
Yeah but it’s ptr
Can just bring back down
fresh spire
Yeh Last time it was buffed in ptr also killed in ptr then also in live
steep osprey
smoky kayak
Yeah but it’s ptr
keep in mind that they're usually several builds ahead of our PTR
fresh spire
🙏 Colossal might buff this week
steep osprey
They did remove an entire hit of OF and we’re barely using it on live as is
smoky kayak
if they compensate Colossal Might in a decent way, I think Colossus will be fine yeah
steep osprey
So 15% is not even close
fresh spire
The dream is both specs are close enough we have choice instead of being locked into a slayer tier once more
smoky kayak
They did remove an entire hit of OF and we’re barely using it on live as is
That's also kind of a Thane thing though, more so than an OF thing
if Slayer were > Thane in M+, it'd be a diff situation
untold trench
Well, OF is not supposed to be TT+OF total value, but OF is supposed to be valuable as a stand alone.
No question OF was held back because of TT double up potential. Not to mention the guaranteed 20% amp.
So just look at OF raw dam compared to other nodes, the most applicable is roar. Then have OF tuned a bit over it, as it got no amp effect and roar does.
It aint that bad, just need a bump up
smoky kayak
the other aspect of Titan's Torment is the insta-burst, which was the main reason for Fury being repeatedly nerfed at the start of the expansion too
it wasn't just that Fury was strong in AoE, it's that Fury deal it so quickly thanks to the free off-GCD OF into an immediate Bladestorm
olive nest
god pls let sks lose
daring heron
fb same as sks?
fresh spire
Close enough.
daring heron
sounds good
fresh spire
Fb is surprisingly good
daring heron
die sks die
olive nest
real
smoky kayak
I like SkS in ST, don't care for it in multi
steep osprey
That's also kind of a Thane thing though, more so than an OF thing
I think they should do something about how annoying the opener of Thane is lol
olive nest
its only annoying with OF imo
smoky kayak
You mean the CD juggling? That's kind of a Warrior-wide problem
and something they'll probably address in 12.0
olive nest
the no OF M+ build thane opener feels good
fresh spire
Likely with some more aggressive op tuning as no sks in execute could likely get it ahead
steep osprey
What if they remove Ravager from the gcd
smoky kayak
lul
steep osprey
olive nest
aint no way
steep osprey
It does help with the cd juggling
fresh spire
What if they remove Ravager from the gcd
Swifty one shot macro is so back
smoky kayak
na I think they're just gonna streamline the number of talented Warrior CDs in 12.0
steep osprey
I want warriors to have something like a passive cd that procs when you do something
magic canopy
die sks die
My man
smoky kayak
cause right now it is a lot
steep osprey
Like maybe reck procs ravager when you talent into it
steep osprey
na I think they're just gonna streamline the number of talented Warrior CDs in 1...
I’ve been saying that, I think fury only needs Reck OF and BS/Ravager
They could make Avatar a passive talent that increases damage during reck by 20%
Ret has something similar with ashes
fresh spire
Time to give each spec it's own cd with an identity. Feels like recklessness is a test for then to try it for ra
lethal vale
I also want them to do something about arms survivability - that 5% stamina gain from colossus isn't enough at all lol
steep osprey
Just remove TR and Spear
olive nest
reck/ava should just be combined
or
ava for arms
reck for fury
and add things to both
smoky kayak
They could make Avatar a passive talent that increases damage during reck by 20%
Avatar isn't that bad because its off-GCD
eager sigil
I also want them to do something about arms survivability - that 5% stamina gain...
they did
you get 10% stam
smoky kayak
ava for arms
that's what they had pre-DF talent trees, yeah
each spec had its own dedicated CD
smoky kayak
lol yeah
olive nest
kinda makes sense imo to have dedicated cds for each spec
smoky kayak
that shit was never gonna last
fresh spire
Imagine that in prot holy
eager sigil
so?
smoky kayak
Remember when you could just skip Enraged Regen/DbtS on the talent tree entirely for more DPS talents? 
timber lynx
I think vers for warrior should have much more impact than it does
timber lynx
timber lynx
i never said best stat
olive nest
they should remove vers as an option entirely
steep osprey
One thing we can probably agree on is that TR and Spear is too much, I think they should replace that with some passives on the tree
olive nest
how about we get multistrike back
hell yeah im all for this!
timber lynx
how about we get multistrike back
fresh spire
Shaman stocks down. My melee swings ^^^
steep osprey
I don’t think any class in the game has 3 dps capstones in their class tree
Let alone cds
It’s wild
steep osprey
Ain’t no way
magic canopy
yooo tangent, I watched your queen vod you uploaded. good watch!
Thanks man. I've actually seen it tossed around over the last couple months so I'm pretty happy it's helping people out
smoky kayak
Ain’t no way
yeah that got quickly removed
they tried to add it back in a patch PTR too, but it got nixed again in a hurry
fresh spire
Man old layout sucked
Like pathing
Did they actually have 2 handed spec and duel handed spec split
Ain't no way
steep osprey
fresh spire
Or one handed even
smoky kayak
yeah, and even better, Fury could use DW spec + 2h/1h together
soft sigil
It was because that was when the class tree was shared with every spec instead of having one class tree per spec so they had to cram all the weapon nodes together
smoky kayak
and prot could use 2h + DW spec together (cause it counted shields)
fresh spire
Real class fantasy right there
smoky kayak
while Arms was just 2h alone
fresh spire
and prot could use 2h + DW spec together (cause it counted shields)
I remember this. Sounded so badass
untold trench
its beautiful ;-;
smoky kayak
did you catch this part? that's Sharpend Blades / Blunt Instruments on a swap below Bladestorm lol
olive nest
the original Arms tree
its actually really satisfying to see the original and compare it to the current one. you can see how much they really are trying to make it great. even though i disagree with some of the choices they make but thats besides the point
bleak fog
Whats this +20% here and there ??
smoky kayak
Uh 2 pointer valour
that was before they added the secondary effects too - at the time it was just +1% stat
fresh spire
20% here and gone
tacit crystal
Thanks man. I've actually seen it tossed around over the last couple months so I...
goat video
fresh spire
Maybe back this week
smoky kayak
I bitched to high heaven about those gates when they were just raw stat nodes
adding the extra effect went a long way toward making them more palatable
fresh spire
Oh god
smoky kayak
I actually like most of them now (though Valor is still unnecessary filler and BS/Rav should just be moved up into its spot)
fresh spire
Patching for op and sweep to then hit useless talents and have to go back as can't path
smoky kayak
also the trees were full of "improved X" nodes, which just added back the functionality that we already had - like Fury's "Improved Rampage" which just allowed it to trigger Enrage 💀
fresh spire
Impale 2 pointer
Seigebreaker my beloved
They replaced you with a better bloodthirst:(
olive nest
also the trees were *full* of "improved X" nodes, which just added back the func...
this must be original fury?
tacit crystal
hi, can we have df s3 again
fresh spire
Having to point titans fury is wild
This just shows if titan could go baseline smf should too
steep osprey
also the trees were *full* of "improved X" nodes, which just added back the func...
What is this
olive nest
hi
smoky kayak
What is this
that was Cadence of Fujieda, a rehash of the legendary cloak effect from Legion
- pressing BT triggers a +1% haste buff, stacking 5 times for ~5s
steep osprey
also the trees were *full* of "improved X" nodes, which just added back the func...
2 POINTER DEPTHS OF INSANITY
hahahaha
Hahahahhaha
steep osprey
that was Cadence of Fujieda, a rehash of the legendary cloak effect from Legion
...
Yeah I remember it now
smoky kayak
it was bad for the same reason the legendary was bad; just a maintenance buff that was annoying to stack at the start of combat and too easy to fall off in the middle
smoky kayak
there was a time when those positions were swapped and you could just completely path around Enraged Regen
steep osprey
I didn’t realize onslaught was that farther up
smoky kayak
and I fought tooth and nail to get them to put them where they are now, because otherwise players would just forgo their major defensive CD in order to pick up 1% extra damage
which might sound like a good choice for some people, but it's also a very toxic one
smoky kayak
pretty much what everyone would say, yeah
steep osprey
Btw have you seen Xan’s wishlist
untold trench
Not taking shockwave... because of the damage loss
naive breach
bringeth back my banner of crit
upper geyser
Champion's Might should attach a flag to the back of the spear
steep osprey
If they were to remove TR and Spear, what could they put in their places
Could be semi dps, utility or something like banner
smoky kayak
yeah, banner, what could go wrong...
last inlet
i don't see a problem 😄
steep osprey
yeah, banner, what could go wrong...
magic canopy
More blue class
steep osprey
Not banner then but I kinda want something similar to how rets heal
From pressing divine storm
Like we could inspire players
Somehow
timber lynx
I like tr but spear can go anyday
manic egret
why did they nerf spear compared to slands?
timber lynx
Yeah i don’t disagree i just like the big bleeds of arms
manic egret
I love doing 9-10 globals into m+ pack before actual damage starts rollin
timber lynx
even though we’ve moved quite far away from that
steep osprey
Yeah i don’t disagree i just like the big bleeds of arms
They could put the damage into bleeds
Rend and DW
timber lynx
Id like to see dw hit alot harder
timber lynx
Aura buff set
steep osprey
Probably
timber lynx
i voted for fun one 
timber lynx
steep osprey
this is why we can't have nice things
Can you please push for a season 3 set back
Havoc got theirs on ptr as a talent
lean geode
Can you please push for a season 3 set back
This is basically just thunder blast for thane innit
smoky kayak
I think the S2 sets are pretty decent now
steep osprey
They’re cool, I just want the SD clap effect as a talent
untold trench
I voted s1 fury
Hell yeah! S1 vote gang!
lean geode
Archi do you know if the arms 4pc tooltip not showing the MS buff is a display bug or if the MS buff isn't intended to be part of it?
steep osprey
It’s a display bug
If you look at MS damage with and without the buff
It’s different
smoky kayak
tooltip issues are almost always tooltip issues
they're just notorious for being inaccurate
fresh spire
sd clap was goated
steep osprey
Where would you put it
timber lynx
Replace spear with that set
steep osprey
In our talent
fresh spire
kill sks
timber lynx
its free dam for all specs
steep osprey
Or put it on sks
lean geode
And it's in the path of SD anyways
steep osprey
Actually sks fits
lean geode
Actually nvm that would require you to take cleave or imp SS/CD
fresh spire
idealy it goes onto class tree
lean geode
So it's useless in single target
fresh spire
So prot can use it for SD also
fresh spire
then again, they clap anyway
lean geode
Where it gives you it whether ytou have SD or not
gaunt owl
SD wasnt mandatory
naive sage
sd clap was goated
Real
manic egret
Heroic strike
steep osprey
Real
shadow ibex
Does no DMG and makes me spend more globals on a boring button
steep osprey
So true brother man
steep osprey
Does no DMG and makes me spend more globals on a boring button
Thoughts on the season 3 DF set
shadow ibex
The only reason SkS still exists is some fuckin dweeb is sniffing his own farts and thinks the TR and SkS combo is cool
Fuckin nerd
Babys first synergy
shadow ibex
There's no silver lining
olive nest
I liked SKS when it insta popped things
the whole increase tick rate thing now is just bad feeling imo
steep osprey
Insta pop was worse imo
weak rain
insta pop was hype
rugged jasper
Those arms buffs all got reverted?
shadow ibex
insta pop was bad in different ways
idk just baffles me how it can still be a button unless you just never play arms and so the subtle ways in which it eats ass is lost on whoever created it
shadow ibex
the global itself does no dmg and the debuff it applies just eats into globals more, making you spend them on rend which also does 0 dmg as a global
shadow ibex
bloodborne being 2 ranks is also dumb as fuck
spend 2 talent points for 10% bleed dam
fresh spire
need more points for point inflation
shadow ibex
i love that we run out of dps increases in the middle row
timber lynx
Assa gets a 1 point capstone thats 10% bleed dam and bleed execute
shadow ibex
its jsut pick the least shit option
rugged jasper
That's an interesting build. I didn't find fatality to do much in my testing. Also found the bonus damage roar gives to be consistently too solid to give up
fresh spire
fatal has such a huge range
was doing testing on ptr, some dummy pulls i hit 3% other times i got more stacks with cds line up and hit 9%+
fresh spire
its got a wild varience
rugged jasper
Yeah that's what I found too.
shadow ibex
behind every blade of grass
steep osprey
Didn’t they change fatality to not get affected by cds
fresh spire
need to see it tested more on live in raid to see how it really is
shadow ibex
there's a fuckin shit
fresh spire
Didn’t they change fatality to not get affected by cds
scales from everything rn
fresh spire
CS/mastery/Avatar/Demolish/overwhelming/all talents with flat damage/trinkets etc
its got uh some fun stuff
rugged jasper
I never found tho I was lacking rage to need the overpower talent giving extra rage tho
shadow ibex
god damn i hate this shit lol
fresh spire
not if your lacking or not, more consistant 40 rage executes>not
shadow ibex
can we get a post on the forums about it
rugged jasper
There was some rage starvation in execute range, but I always talented sks to adjust for that
shadow ibex
there's no way shipping fatality affected by avatar is gonna be a fun time
mastery yes
shit if you want make it gain dmg from our crit rating since it cant crit
great
signal isle
Wouldn’t it just make more sense to get rid of anger management so our CDs actually just line up properly every 1.5 mins
Having everything out of sync just feels awkward
fresh spire
bladestorm would still be weird in slayer regardless from its natty CDR
rugged jasper
It's frustrating testing too with the gear available on PTR. You buy everything from the vendor you're under 10k haste and at 22k+ mastery. I'm just using my live gear with 4 piece. Feelsbad
fresh spire
Fatal range is pretty nuts, need to really see more in raid situations to gage how good it really is
magic canopy
Fatal range is pretty nuts, need to really see more in raid situations to gage h...
Are you documenting this stuff in like tmy or war breaker cord or just your own stuff rn
charred brook
hack him!!! We need the data
magic canopy
Roger
rare kite
no deft feels so bad
fresh spire
everything i've found so far has been posted or i've spread info here about things
charred brook
Yeah I appreciate that, I’ve been sitting on ptr basically every day raid testing or hitting dummies trying to see what feels nice
All in all I am happy with the new arms tier set
I fear most fights will be good for fury in this raid but there’s definitely more changes to come still
steep osprey
I think they should buff slam by 100%
thick kelp
fights are really melee unfriendly
timber lynx
Fun
charred brook
Ungrippable too
timber lynx
Sounds like im logging out of sub rogue
rugged jasper
Lol. Yeah I've gone 3 minutes at times with it at ten stacks...
last inlet
saw the buffs, and got excited, then i saw the disclaimer 😦
why does blizz do dis to us?
last inlet
true
shadow ibex
surely
charred brook
Is there a world where we hold Blade storm until we get the four piece proc because of unhinged
Or do you think we should just send it?
fresh spire
delaying BS likely bad
charred brook
Best parses will be whoever had good Rng up time lol
rugged jasper
Only time I've found holding bs makes sense is big trinkets like the red button
shadow ibex
nothin to do with unhinged/buffs or w/e
charred brook
Yeah, I figured I’m just curious on what the numbers would look like I guess for holding versus not holding
Like how far off it would be I guess
fresh spire
judging but the proc rate being so hugely inconsistent any sort of holding only would lead to either huge upset if bad rng
charred brook
Yeah, that makes sense
Do you think there is a window where if we see Blade storm and colossal smash coming off cool down we start spamming the shit out of overpower
rugged jasper
You can go a really long time without it proccing.
shadow ibex
yea it cant be 15%
terse osprey
Anyone know of some good macros i can make that will ease my gameplay and rotation?
rare kite
Anyone know of some good macros i can make that will ease my gameplay and rotati...
only the stance macro. we have no other good macros
terse osprey
only the stance macro. we have no other good macros
so everything else just keybind
rare kite
yea
terse osprey
Gotcha
rare kite
tho what you can do is remove rend from bars. tclap is only slightly worse on st and the keybind is not worth it imo
lean geode
Is this highest simming build with the now-reverted buffs?
serene hollow
% buffs and nerfs don't mean a lot, I'd rather see gameplay changes on ptr
floral ledge
% buffs and nerfs don't mean a lot, I'd rather see gameplay changes on ptr
gameplay is good
teal fossil
Gameplay is good because we finally have a 20% dps tier set
hollow wave
Sorry if this sounds obvious, but ignore pain buff is just for prot warriors?
candid pecan
Remember the big frontal attack Lord Crispin did during the Moroes encounter in Karazhan? Demolish should be like that just with a narrower width and shorter range, of course.
when Demolish cancels because the target moves out.... feels terrible.
lean geode
Make demolish fist of fury YEP
slow saddle
I agree charge up 1 big dam
crimson steppe
They're definitely increasing the buffs which is why they reverted them, right? 
crimson steppe
We need it to make up for the shit-tier gameplay
teal fossil
No no gameplay is good
edgy solstice
correct, at this point "no gameplay" is very good
edgy solstice
cata arms unironically better than tdubs arms
shy tide
having a really inneficient rage dump when you are about to overcap by a lot is pretty neat
but idk cata arms was just kinda hitting MS and OP on cd and then slamming in between
with a castbar 
smoky kayak
Cata Arms is close to great, it does several things well, but still shows its age in a few other places
shy tide
its being carried by the sound effects of crits
edgy solstice
ya
steep osprey
I don’t like the cast slam in cata
pure otter
mop arms my belovid