Rend needs to do a lot more damage than it does rn
#arms
steep osprey
lean geode
I didn't play warrior when it was heavily bleed-based (in BFA?), was that generally regarded as fun and engaging?
shadow ibex
how much dmg it does doesnt matter because it will always be worth applying
we werent bleed based in BFA DW just did all our dmg
there wasn't intelligent use of it or something tho
brittle fiber
we had sks in bfa didnt we
shadow ibex
you pressed buttons. execute was spamming exe. kept MS on CD
yea but all it did was give rage and was hasted
20 rage on a hasted CD
nothing about bfa was bleed based our buttons just did 0 direct dmg
shadow ibex
21 rage?
quasi torrent
no, 21s base cd
shadow ibex
yea idr the base CD just it was hasted
rugged jasper
Does anyone know what city might have target dummies that don't lose health? I just wanted to see how high and quickly I could stack fatal mark, but dorn's all lose hp quick
lean geode
You'll never get the silvermoon dummies to execute range so they're kinda beans for that
Also you accidentally cleave with roar and stuff sometimes
So don't actually go to silvermoon 
rugged jasper
Nice
lean geode
Stormwind might be good idk
There's one raid dummy that's farther away from others
It's good on live but idk if it's crowded on ptr
magic canopy
best testing dummies for me have been the MoP ones outside the faction hubs
noone ever there
wooden lava
How much hp do they have tho
They should make dummies with preset hp thresholds
The dummies on PTR in dornogal have less HP than the ones on Retail
So it's hard to test thing like Fatality because the dummy is bottomed out in like 20 seconds
lean geode
I think Kelpfist is the only dummy you can really get from 100-35, at least on retail
The other ones will basically always be at either 100 or 0
wooden lava
Also, now that the novelty has worn off on the new tier, it's actually very mid
The duration refresh is not intended
And the means of actually procing the 4p is very hit or miss
The variance between pulls is crazy
Also, what is blizzards intent on the 4p procing while it's already active?
Will it just not proc while the effect is already active?
lean geode
🔮
wooden lava
Also, if we're going to path towards fatality, battle lord and 2x Deft with EB, we can never play slayer
But Colossus is very lackluster single target damage
How is it that the hero talent centered around bladestorm is a better ST option than the one with a channeled single target nuke
shadow ibex
colossus got hit with pretty big ST nerf when they changed execute stacks
wooden lava
Moreover, the new 2pc means that we're giving even more value to Overpower and will likely be taking Finishing Blows to increase it's power - where tf do we find space for that in our talent budget?
wooden lava
colossus got hit with pretty big ST nerf when they changed execute stacks
Cooked af
The new tier set feels like it's in the goldilocks zone in the worst way possible
You can take colossus and enjoy the pants build, but your ST suffers
Which is ironic considering you're taking the pants build to do good ST in the first place with Blord, 2x Deft and Fatality
Or you can take Slayer and invalidate a lot of the power that your 4pc would provide
Granted I only played it for an hour or two during raid testing, but it never felt like a deterministic thing
There wasn't a moment where my CDs lined up and I was able to reliably pop my 10 stacks with even 4-5 Overpower casts
I think there needs to be a change that increases the 4p proc rate by 1% per stack of the 2p buff
Going from 15 to 25 as it ramps would help with procing the 4p
lean geode
I feel like that makes intuitive sense
Increase the proc chance with the number of stacks
That's how DRE works (or worked?) for enhance right?
wooden lava
I didnt get to test the tier in raid enough to really know how it lined up with my CDs and whatnot
But based on dummy testing, it was very hit or miss
And that was WITH the duration refresh and increases in stacks
Once that's bug fixed, idk how this tier would land
I guess the flavor for Arms this expansion is Overpower Bot
lean geode
If only they made dreadnaught not beans
wooden lava
I'm hoping I'm wrong and that there's a way to play arms in its current PTR state
And be an ST threat with solid 2 target cleave when talented into it
But I'm either too peanut brained to cook up something good
Or it's not looking good
lean geode
I think Walhe and Fishy said they were going to try some cooking tomorrow
And they're reliably not peanut brained I think
wooden lava
The fury tier is a genuine piece of shit, but it's a more consistent source of damage comparatively
lean geode
The fury tier is a genuine piece of shit
So same as every other patch
rugged jasper
PTR down? I logged off for a bit, says there's an update that errors when I try to dl
rare kite
PTR down? I logged off for a bit, says there's an update that errors when I try ...
no, still up
rugged jasper
Weird I'll give it a bit IG
wooden lava
>The fury tier is a genuine piece of shit
So same as every other patch
Yeah but this upcoming tier it's as uninspired as it gets
At least the new arms tier can be really fun if it can have some deterministic procing, especially during execute
subtle cloak
Anyone tried arms in dungeons testing, will it feel less clunky ?
minor gust
idk what you mean by clunky but it will have more haste now with the 4pc
subtle cloak
I mean, I feel a bit clunky when I have to sent ravager and thunderclapping, while a wanna slap the sht out of overpower and cleave/ms
boreal quartz
Op is piss sauce rn
minor gust
I wouldnt consider having to set up before you pop off with dmg clunky
I dont think thats awkward at all
slow saddle
am i wrong its just 2 globals ?
i dont even consider that a setup ? besides u dont wanna ravager on pull if u playing collosus in keeys ^_^
astral yarrow
I'd consider the TC global a setup global, but its not fury, havoc or monk thats for sure
slow saddle
yeah fury is straight into dps for sure
tacit crystal
woah tmy
ebon fern
Man, some people love bladestorm, i just do not get it at all.
minor gust
to be fair its the only visually cool thing warrior has ever gotten
ebon fern
See, i don't even agree with that, i think it's just fine
minor gust
everyone different
minor gust
huh?
steep osprey
Well, this tier set does fix the issue with rage during execute lmao
raw hollow
Man, some people love bladestorm, i just do not get it at all.
I played the crap out of warcraft 3 when it was fresh and played the crap out orcs with the bm being my favourite hero. Bladestorm is iconic!
gaunt owl
Well, this tier set does fix the issue with rage during execute lmao
the too much rage anyway ?
versed carbon
The 4 set couldve been after wining streak ends you put down a raveger for 50% efficiency we will get the buff on cleave and we will have ms doing damage like it hits once or so and we get aoe dmg at the same time isnt that better ?
versed carbon
Hmm it need the stack thing maybe between 1 to 3 stack you get it for at 30 % at 3 to 6 50% 6 to 10 65 %
Well is just an idea and its not gonna hapen xD
dim basalt
The 4 set couldve been after wining streak ends you put down a raveger for 50% e...
Making something better than the new tier is a hard task ngl
It already is broken as hell
Until they "fix" it at least 
misty bridge
to be fair its the only visually cool thing warrior has ever gotten
rework of BS animation when
naive sage
is playing jug in keys
Will he ever get tired of being so based?
hazy flower
no chinese boosted pig
Not only ithink
gray herald
Idk why this site skips some people
it doesnt skip anyone except china it just doesnt work properly for spec score
if someone got 3500 score with at least 1 of their best keys as arms, they'd show up here with 3500 score i think
dull siren
no way tmy
!?
pig
@naive sage i did the most based thing, I logged off warrior and logged on boomy
and now I just stand still and cast
naive sage
and now I just stand still and cast
real
brittle fiber
We’ll just never get this luxury will we
naive sage
We’ll just never get this luxury will we
delet this
brittle fiber
hazy flower
U can prob do 14-15’s as 5war
brittle fiber
No shot
untold trench
Hm, probably doable. Just bring the healer gems, and that cowers most of all HPS needs. Then you need to go for a good dung option.
As dying in a 14 is hard as warrior, I can see it be done with prepwork
untold trench
Ya sure? Pwarr ain't as selfsustaining as in DF. I can tank packs for a long time, but I will die. Guess I could kite more to negate that.
I find to believe it doable, but not with zugzugz running in blind with players of that skill range
quaint otter
What the
untold trench
That what you get for ruining keys for so long, blacklisted
quaint otter
untold trench
hazy flower
Im not talking about people who are capped at pushing 14’s
This is clearly hard mode
gray herald
warrior only goes hard
untold trench
Is it tho, to me it is more a m+ +, not really hardmode, as already in a 14-15 you are supposed to handle all that stuff
quaint otter
15+ actually require some brain
hazy flower
Nah
untold trench
Standing in swirlies kills you in a 14, so some brain needed
untold trench
Does it?
hazy flower
Then you wont die in 17 either
Doubt you’ll survive anything higher than that if you stand in stuff
quaint otter
its cringe this guy cant get into a 10th
quaint otter
true and real
quaint otter
well at least mage brings insane 3% int buff for a healer
livid cloak
🥉
untold trench
Probably wanted the dispell
quaint otter
Nw
lean geode
well at least mage brings insane 3% int buff for a healer
Pug mages are guaranteed to be beans amen
waxen elbow
<@219500235880136704>
Hi
solemn dew
What's the thought process for CDs with arms? With avatar, colossus smash, bladestorm all having CDR, which ones should I hold or aim to line up together, if any?
Or do I just send that shit as it comes up
last inlet
send it
solemn dew
Based
last inlet
i mean if its like 10 seconds apart i do try to align, but that never happens with my brain.
clever wave
new to arms here, does BS consume both Martial Prowess bonus and ur excute bonus or just the execute bonus?
lean geode
BS doesn't directly, it just casts MS through Unhinged which do consume both Martial Prowess and Executioner's Precision
And Lethal Blows (the tier set buff) as well afaik
I don't track LB though so idk for sure 
clever wave
OHHH that make sense
so the MS during BS consume them
I was like why is my BS using these stacks lmao
lean geode
martial prowess is the buff from OP?
Yeah
clever wave
Yea
last inlet
ok cool,
lean geode
If you're playing colossus and using ravager during execute, you can just mash execute because the unhinged MS will use your executioner's precision stacks
last inlet
yeah i try to stack alot of those buffs within the 4-5 second window of MS before hitting it, but i never delay
lean geode
Kind of irrelevant for slayer bc you can't cast during bladestorm, but just something to note
last inlet
oh true
clever wave
yea I play slayer only basically
lean geode
forgot about that..... i don't think it applies?
What is "it" referring to
clever wave
I think the optimaztion of traking LB & MP is probably not that crazy I'm sure this mega min maxers do it but i just track the MP ones for now
last inlet
sorry for not being clear
lean geode
Unhinged interacts with everything that a normal MS would interact with
lean geode
I think the optimaztion of traking LB & MP is probably not that crazy I'm sure t...
It only matters during execute phase as slayer
You don't really need to track Martial Prowess (at least with current tuning/APL), and you only really track LB for this condition
But in most cases because of the opportunist priority, your MP stacks during execute will be the same as your LB stacks
clever wave
yea makes sense
lean geode
Also note that depending on your gear, you might take fierce followthrough instead of opportunist
clever wave
damn so leigt during execute phase if you dont have the 2 stack of tier piece you legit just spam OP and Execute
gotcha
clever wave
okay cool
quasi torrent
okay cool he types
lean geode
Fishy and Walhe said they were going to cook today but they're EU andys
quasi torrent
This tracker also doesn't instantly pop through the reset tracking but just stacks... i think? i forgot man
its been a hot minute
lean geode
I don't actually use that wa Anda
quasi torrent
(i dont play arms)
lean geode
I just think it's funny
quasi torrent
I don't actually use that wa Anda
ure a noob then
lean geode
I also don't play arms
quasi torrent
i used it when i played arms for 2 bosses
lean geode
Except on Rashanan which I haven't fought in ages
quasi torrent
i played it for kyvuzzy and silken
then they buffed thane and i just played fury yep
lean geode
RL made me play fury to kill adds for our first Rash kill bc our DH was out
That was when adds didn't count on logs so it was a turbo free top 100 log if I was allowed to play single target fury 
quasi torrent
i got rank1 playing aoe when they were gone
lean geode
I played fury on Kyveza bc invincible
quasi torrent
rolled all those st parsemongers 👍
lean geode
rolled all those st parsemongers 👍
@ me next time
quasi torrent
Honestly i felt safer as arms on kyveza
with the p1 debuff atleast
in p2 fury feels safer
charred brook
i played fury on prog for basically everything becuase i couldnt live elsewise
lean geode
Tbf I think I had a 99 on boss dam as aoe fury
quasi torrent
FbV + dstance + avoid passive just cleared fury for the dot in p1
cause depending on which charge u get u will drop warpaint
lean geode
I just charged back in, IV the last global before running back out
EZPZ
That was also pretty late in the tier though so our gear and finery buff was giga
quasi torrent
the h word
last inlet
has tuning pass beeen through the PTR yet for warriors? guessing not.
quasi torrent
has tuning pass beeen through the PTR yet for warriors? guessing not.
warrior is tuned
just badly
lean geode
Not really, they changed arms tier set yesterday
quasi torrent
😎 😎 😎 😎
last inlet
bummer
last inlet
i mean i do "fine" DPS XD
quasi torrent
or run
last inlet
like acceptable.
lean geode
Doing good dps outside of like HoF raid/title keys is almost exclusive a skill thing and not a class balance thing tbh
last inlet
i mean, just slap MS right?
quasi torrent
oh no...
lean geode
a 99 on almost any class will be better than a 75 on any other class
last inlet
j/k
quasi torrent
Who is gonna tell him...
lean geode
i mean, just slap MS right?
As colossus, yes
last inlet
wait tell me what?
lean geode
Never take anything Anda says seriously
quasi torrent
w< WA
quasi torrent
Never take anything Anda says seriously
???
last inlet
i mean thats not new.
quasi torrent
its still bad design yep
last inlet
Never take anything Anda says seriously
yea.... i can tell.
last inlet
its still bad design yep
agreed
lean geode
Anda skilled player but his yapping is not normally
quasi torrent
washed up mayhap
clever wave
another question during our MT rotation is it better to stack up executes/MP stacks for using MS during Sweeping or is it better just to send it. I've been using this WA to track but its a DF WA so idk if the info is outdated https://wago.io/czYVVcyu0
swift crown
lean geode
another question during our MT rotation is it better to stack up executes/MP sta...
As which spec, and full aoe or just sweeping strikes aoe?
In general, all of your rotational questions can be answered by reading through the simc APL https://github.com/simulationcraft/simc/blob/thewarwithin/ActionPriorityLists/warrior_arms.simc
It's a little cumbersome but generally not too hard to parse
charred brook
im cooking something up here...
just took a hit of meth and starting messing around on ptr
but real shit, colossus has so much more to buff MS
and with this new tier
im curious what builds are gonna come out
lean geode
Can you imagine how sick colossus would be if they made demolish not shit to cast
If you could move during it or something
tacit crystal
uh oh
charred brook
uptime over 5 min dummy test
running a rotation of basically overpower between every ability
For example my execute rotation was: Op-Exe-Op-Exe-OP-MS
teal fossil
Doesnt mention MS buffed damage
Doesn’t mention but check your ms tooltip
teal fossil
For example my execute rotation was: Op-Exe-Op-Exe-OP-MS
This sounds like too many ops
You prob should only op when there’s a winning streak stack
But in that case it’s top prio
charred brook
Winning streak uptime
Pay it back uptime
OP was doing giga damage too
like 1.2m
teal fossil
Should probably be execute-op-execute-op-ms
teal fossil
Pay them back should have a much higher uptime than this
charred brook
i was focusing on getting as many resets as possible
to track the buff
so going into exe phase i had 2 stacks
so i went Op-Exe-op-exe-op-MS-OP
to keep resetting stacks so i was never at 2
disregard the dps PTR is weird sometimes
teal fossil
Just go easy on the ops
lean geode
If that's dummy testing, it's probably from other people hitting it
Dummy logs are weird
charred brook
it is
lean geode
It'll make the active time really long if other people are hitting dummy before/after you are
charred brook
if you lighten on the OPs you will have even less pay them back uptime no?
teal fossil
if you lighten on the OPs you will have even less pay them back uptime no?
You prio op if you have any winning steak stacks
Otherwise do not need to highly prio op
charred brook
70% uptime on winning streak is pretty high right
whats the ideal measures of uptime so far
charred brook
hmm its a bit confusing
so would the ideal scenario be to get it to 10 stacks of winning streak then spam OP
to try to get a proc
steep osprey
https://i.imgur.com/1Bn0biy.png
Looks like the perfect breakdown for me lol
lean geode
70% uptime on winning streak is pretty high right
Walhe had like 90% yesterday innit
charred brook
im trying to focus on only using it when i have winning streak but it feels like i always have winning streak lol
woven wasp
thick kelp
You are gonna sit on winning streaks alot
expect like 80-90% uptim
The 4pc uptime is gonna hover around 20% r so
charred brook
i guess im just trying to figure out what to press instead of OP if youre sitting on it
cause the way i did earler i had 70% uptime winning streak and 50% uptime 4pc
granted, maybe its diff for slayer
cause im doing this as col
thick kelp
havnt bothered with colossus much
its so far behind especially now after the nerf to execute granting CM
@magic canopy stream test?
magic canopy
ya
thick kelp
waiting
magic canopy
up
thick kelp
:*
charred brook
With new tier?
thick kelp
ye
lean geode
opport was like 0.6% behind
Is this only with high crit?
thick kelp
idk
wooden lava
just took a hit of meth and starting messing around on ptr
as is customary
teal fossil
so would the ideal scenario be to get it to 10 stacks of winning streak then spa...
No no you aren’t understanding me
At least the way the set is implemented
Right now getting new 4p stack refreshes AND stacks 4p
So you just want to clear out any winning streaks asap
charred brook
sorry it does seem a bit complicated, does it change your prio to OP being like 2nd after MS then
You want to dump as fast as you can basically
to try to keep refreshing
fresh spire
charred brook
is that right?
teal fossil
Yeah you want to keep refreshing 4p
fresh spire
not by much though gaps closest ive seen it this patch
1.2% or 27k.
tuning may push it close
if you are cooking a build without ravager enjoy your 6.5% dps loss
Unhinged is our best capstone by a landslide
its way to strong
charred brook
any world where we drop skullsplitter
fresh spire
Current best set up for Colossus though if you wanna try battlelord you can drop jug/CT and take deft/Bl/sharpened
Ms (2 Executioners)
Overpower (under 50 rage)
Execute
current execute layout
Nope, skullsplitter is monsterous too
fresh spire
Fatal over 5 mins does around 3% of our damage on average
charred brook
gotcha
fresh spire
(dependent on boss in raid) likely will drop it for Deft2/sharpened if boss isn't fatal friendly
fresh spire
its still interacting
if it lines up with cds on a boss gg upwards of 32m hit
Fatality also sufferes from tuning
We lack tuning yet across the spec, buffs to other things might make it worse.
next vessel
Just so I understand, is this best st for colo specifically, or is colo pulling ahead st (as of current tuning) even post execute change to colossal might?
fresh spire
Current best for colossus, Slayer is still much ahead of colossus in raw ST situations. (PTR stuff)
next vessel
gotcha okay, thanks!
charred brook
Current best for colossus, Slayer is still much ahead of colossus in raw ST situ...
what weapon were you running for the sims
does punisher pull ahead of BiS
in ST
teal fossil
No way bis is not bis
charred brook
yeah im only using punisher because the on use doesnt work rn lol
fresh spire
Bis is Bis
tacit crystal
hi fishy
fresh spire
Hai
tacit crystal
did you sim pants build
tacit crystal
how much worse
fresh spire
like 6.5%
tacit crystal
fresh spire
dropping unhinged on its own is a spec breaker
tacit crystal
what about a 3 min execute
fresh spire
tacit crystal
is it still slayer > colo
fresh spire
should be
fresh spire
we havne't had any tuning passes on actual abilities yet
edgy solstice
game playable yet?
fresh spire
because they are more of a shorts kinda guy with one leg
weak rain
pls make pants build bis blizz please
iron shale
anyone know what the go to spec for season 2 is yet
teal fossil
Really need unhinged nerf
I keep saying this
It’s also oppressing baseline ms damage
proud remnant
nerd unhinged buff bladestorm
or buff both culling cyclone and brutal finish to make it aoe and single target builds
shadow ibex
It's a shit situation
Ravager should be ST option but where does that leave fatal and ep
hexed saddle
yeah but ravager has never been good for its damage
shadow ibex
Id rather it just be gone tbh
hexed saddle
its always been good because its a vehicle + generates rage + lets u cast
minor gust
Ravager with unhinged is good gameplay
fresh spire
also got to remember unhinged feeds into fatal and EB,
hexed saddle
theres prob a way to nerf unhinged without killing it entirely
but i feel like when most people say "nerf unhinged" they really mean "blow its head off"
shadow ibex
I do
fresh spire
Try to put some of its damage back into ravager while capping its damage on each hit realisitcally
shadow ibex
And by head I mean kill ravager
hexed saddle
i mean u just make it cast MS at 75-80% effectiveness
boom fixed
still a good button
fresh spire
real then put like 10% into rav itself where on st its not so much on aoe a bit more
hexed saddle
still does good shit
just means u can put that power into other things
like EP
or ravager
or whatever
fresh spire
thing i find shit about it the most is the valour point
shadow ibex
still does good shit
I'm ok with it being aoe pick for colossus. Free and fast demo stacks to help get them going in aoe
empty pike
Guys, have you tried using the Thunderlods crackling citrine strategy in the raid? Do you think arms would benefit well?
shadow ibex
I think it's shit that it's slotted for St and aoe colossus
fresh spire
feels so bad putting a point in for just vers/dbs cdr while other two capstones gates are pretty strong in comparison
minor gust
Such are the many problems with the arms talent tree
shadow ibex
I just hate running practically same talents as col and slayer
Only one throws an axe down
fresh spire
we are close at least in colossus to playing BL
minor gust
Idk since the DF talent system arms has basically ran the same shit since existence
shadow ibex
I'll take ravager also just copying your abilities
fresh spire
depends how they tune abilities now
minor gust
There's never really been that much build diversity
shadow ibex
I dream of a world where I use cleave and my ravager cleaves with me
shadow ibex
There's never really been that much build diversity
Also never been hero specs
rare kite
feels so bad putting a point in for just vers/dbs cdr while other two capstones ...
agreed, but also the other capstones feel "required" for the spec to work. which also feels bad
minor gust
Ik I'm saying the arms talent tree and the hero specs don't support diversity
They both want the same things
shadow ibex
If ravager still swept I'd be more ok
I just hate having sweeping up and it eats my EP stacks instead of me sweeping the boosted MS on x2 target
minor gust
Idk the answer to our talent tree is to still just nuke it and start over
Make Slayer all about exe and Colossus all about MS and design the arms tree with that in mind.
shadow ibex
The fact dance of death still exists when mages are getting like weekly talent reworks
Just fuckin stupid
hexed saddle
The fact dance of death still exists when mages are getting like weekly talent r...
could be worse
could be storm of steel
minor gust
Both suck
shadow ibex
Two wrongs don't make a right
minor gust
shadow ibex
If we leave tww with jugg gone and SkS not causing me to spend more globals on rend
Itd be a success
rare kite
remove jugg. give s3 df tier
wooden lava
The arms survivability buffs actually feel relevant
shadow ibex
Banners are so thematic idk why we don't get them again
wooden lava
are we talking about the same banners? I was thinking the maldraxxus one you carry on your back
not the fixed placement one
minor gust
Carry a banner that buffs you by a lot at gives whatever buff to allies near you
shadow ibex
The only thing you need to guard against is the player needing to use it at a certain time to benefit party as a whole as opposed to when they want to
minor gust
Something like gives allies near you 5% move speed to help the other melee dps
Something not dps
rare kite
i don't mind buffing others by a tiny bit as long as i get a way bigger buff. would hate to get turned into a support spec
fresh spire
The only thing you need to guard against is the player needing to use it at a ce...
dont let tanks or healers get them really 
minor gust
So ppl aren't cringe
shadow ibex
It can be dps if the dps scales off what the warrior does
minor gust
Idk but creativity yeah I like the idea of banner. It's cool and thematic
shadow ibex
Let the warrior charge it
wooden lava
honestly if they just loaded a full build to pop off during execute
wooden lava
banner, extended reck, higher rage gen, etc.
minor gust
Unfortunately don't expect creativity when it comes to warrior
We don't get that here
Everything we get is either bland and boring or something we've had before
Poor fury gets a change to RA and it's just a revert to how it used to work but now with a bleed
wooden lava
bro the new RA is unironically awful
empty pike
Guys, have you tried using the Thunderlods crackling citrine strategy in the raid? Do you think arms would benefit well?
wooden lava
@thick kelp did u end up cooking anything
empty pike
the guys in my guild said that those who benefit are those who use crit as the highest secondary
wooden lava
@calm vessel u cook anything either?
hexed saddle
wrong channel
wooden lava
were they cooking on fury?
wooden lava
oh nah, that was just a response to colossus
hexed saddle
oh icic
wooden lava
but fr, i feel bad for both specs ngl
hexed saddle
yeah its doomed
gaunt owl
thats what PTR is for
to squash down the bugs first
people think its for tuning and shit
wooden lava
heroic week is for nerfs
minor gust
Come back and suffer with us Ppaww you know you miss it
tacit crystal
ppaww
minor gust
Don't you love when Blizz constantly takes 1 step forward and 2 steps back
gaunt owl
its always Fury time
but they can only have fun for 2 weeks
and then get shot in the knee
tacit crystal
every boss you have to swap off the boss and hit some shitty add
i cant wait to see the wcl rules for each boss
mutou have you tested any
rare kite
the fights are all fury
one armed bandit arms, kong vs godzilla arms, st arms
rare kite
only tested heroic. watching mythic tho @tacit crystal
tacit crystal
mythic was legit pull boss explode 15 seconds later
minor gust
Tbf that's nothing new
shadow ibex
Godzilla vs kong fight seems nice ngl
First clash when they 2t is a lil before 90 seconds so won't get full CDs for cleave but each cast after that is like 90 exactly iirc
On heroic it doesn't last long enough for extended sweeping to be worth p sure
rare kite
idk i think 11.1 will have some arms and some fury fights(assuming somewhat equal tuning)
shadow ibex
So won't lose a talent to cleave
tacit crystal
Godzilla vs kong fight seems nice ngl
rhe toys oneshot
if you shoot more than one at a time
not fun
minor gust
idk i think 11.1 will have some arms and some fury fights(assuming somewhat equa...
Most likely yeah I don't see this being a onsided tier if = tuning
minor gust
Tho fury does have its value even if dmg is low because of how tanky that spec is
fresh spire
It's jover guys prot tier confirmed
tacit crystal
so i go practice enh?
misty sandal
misty sandal
And nerf arms, because why not.
misty sandal
Hey, if it can happen to fury early in a tier, because reasons, then arms isn't safe either 
fresh spire
I'm sure fury will be op on one boss again to justify 7 nerfs
Fury finally good for first time in a long time
fresh spire
Terminal?
minor gust
canca
fresh spire
Doing testing?
fresh spire
Put him down. It's time
wooden lava
spread your cheeks for blizzard's fight designers
fresh spire
I'm going to spread all over my ranged dps and kill them
Then it's a melee boss right
wooden lava
i'm going to intentionally kill my ranged with polarity buff on Sprocketmonger
fresh spire
wooden lava
knock them off the platform
fresh spire
Deserved
minor gust
I loved knocking people off queen platform
very deserved
we do a lil goof and gaf on prog
fresh spire
We do just a little trolling
wooden lava
one of my warrior friends intentionally fucks up mechs so he gets taken off of it and gets to send damage
wooden lava
i do neither, i'm just dookie ngl
minor gust
dont compare me to that filth
The only mechanic I was assigned to this tier was last portal swap on queen
wooden lava
I wish I did big dck damage so my RL could justify letting me do nothing
minor gust
that is pretty fucking digusting tho that naked Troar and 1 point in a stat node is better than spear
magic canopy
minor gust
we are happy with the current state of warrior
fresh spire
We have to be right
minor gust
Jeff plays warrior as a delve alt and he says its amazing
fresh spire
My name a
It's weird because. It could be a whole lot worse. But it's also not that exciting.
It's middle ground. Needs something new and fresh from the same formula we have had for so long
wooden lava
Shitty Goldilocks
fresh spire
Like a polished turd
wooden lava
not good, not bad - very meh
fresh spire
You do your best to clean it but its still a poop
minor gust
idk arms becamse so much more unfun for me with the loss of reck on CS and storm of swords aswell as not using talents like BL and EB.
fresh spire
Tier is overall stronger than before. But honestly I'd like to see the proc rate from 15% increase
minor gust
current arms is just so fucking boring rn
shadow ibex
Felt the same since bfa
wooden lava
Tier is overall stronger than before. But honestly I'd like to see the proc rate...
I was saying yesteday, they should add a tooltip change that OP's chance to consume stacks and proc 4p increase by 1% per stacks
fresh spire
Nah just make it 30% flat
wooden lava
but how would premature pops work
fresh spire
It has to be at a point the 4p isn't sustainable. But we get it more often
wooden lava
like at 2 stacks while u already have a full 10 stack buff going
wooden lava
wouldn't that be insane
fresh spire
That's how it is rn. And no the proc rate is so low its inconsistent to reproc
Uptime on sims is between 30 and 60%
That's with stacks varying between 1-10
minor gust
yeah its very inconsistent from me just hitting dummies
doesnt feel worth playing around
fresh spire
You play exactly same
minor gust
just hit buttons and pray for good uptime
fresh spire
Just op has a little more value than before
minor gust
yeah
wooden lava
I sat at 10 stacks w/o the buff procing for nearly 40 seconds
sent like 12 OPs
Blizzard's smoking that good shit
rare kite
the class is just so unbelieveably stale. gonna be 8 years of this playstyle when expansion finishes
shadow ibex
fresh spire
Tbf I think this is a good start for the tier. Now if they could adjust it to make the proc happen a little more life good
gusty nymph
the class is just so unbelieveably stale. gonna be 8 years of this playstyle whe...
go doom elsewhere 🙂
minor gust
were going for the decade boys
rare kite
go doom elsewhere 🙂
hahah
fresh spire
This is where we doom
shadow ibex
Same shit since bfa
fresh spire
Arms has been dooming that long
wooden lava
10 years of ass - a warrior retrospectiev
fresh spire
shadow ibex
MS on CD OP
minor gust
rare kite
he's just saying that to me, coz i said the same thing to him when we got our new tierset. i even said we would doom again later
wooden lava
I miss legion man
fresh spire
We always doom
wooden lava
dude I literally go back and watch my kill vods of mythic Nighthold/Antorus
I even have vods of castle nathria kills
to remind myself, it can always get worse
minor gust
<:keks:936231610850897992>
untold trench
CN was a banger raid
gusty nymph
go https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/feedback-arms-111-ptr-raid-test-and-feedback/2048355 maybe they ll hear us. 🙂
minor gust
Jokes on you that doesnt work either
gusty nymph
🥸
untold trench
Cute, and I doubt - but it is the best thing you can do - other than become a gigantic influencer and swing your opinon about with a club of fans
wooden lava
If they listen - it will be for next tier, at which point there'll be a whole new can of worms to address
rare kite
keep posting on forums. it may not work, but not doing so guarantees it won't work
wooden lava
Impossible
quaint otter
Cry more than mages
Woyers dont cry...
minor gust
Battle Cry
fresh spire
Crycake
rare kite
crying yourself to sleep does not count
fresh spire
Crit ff7 been pretty weird so far not sure how I feel about the open world vs old.
daring heron
i enjoyed it
fresh spire
Feel like I'm being delayed from story too hard
wicked glacier
open world is goodge, there is a lot of optional stuff though
fresh spire
Yeh sorta how I feel arriving into junon area rn
magic canopy
tell you what though. this testing on melee has been very not great lmao
magic canopy
its so funny man. outside of single target literally every single boss is spread cleave
like legit spread out
wooden lava
tell you what though. this testing on melee has been very not great lmao
real shit
wooden lava
I'm sitting off in the corner cos i have a circle on me and mfs dont wanna make space
boomie is really good
quaint otter
🥲
wooden lava
had tow boomies in my testing group cranking it
fresh spire
had tow boomies in my testing group cranking it
My Gm is very happy he rerolled boomkin
dim basalt
Boomy is not bad yeah
wooden lava
My Gm is very happy he rerolled boomkin
I'm kinda looking at spriest myself
Not only are the fights melee unfriendly
But the adds are spread out af
magic canopy
depending on how terminal it is
fresh spire
magic canopy
might have to play hunter
wooden lava
1st boss, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th and 7th ALL have spread out adds that classes like spriest and boomy thrive on
snow flame
wooden lava
1st boss is bikers, 3rd boss is pyrotechnics, 4th is bombs and hyenas, 6th is the coin adds and 7th is the elementals
rare kite
what's ranged version of warrior?
fresh spire
Hunter
wooden lava
5th boss is just toxic af to melee
rare kite
hunter animations/sounds are so ass tho
fresh spire
Yeh but they got passive sweeping strikes
rare kite
tru
wooden lava
I haven't seen much of hunters during testing
Hopefully blizz didn't scuff MM rework and hero talent change
minor gust
hunter animations/sounds are so ass tho
sounds like warrior then because most of our animations and sounds are also ass
minor gust
RIP mortal combo sound
also playing warrior on POE2 made me realize how awful the sound effects for demolish is
dim basalt
5th boss is just toxic af to melee
Pretty chill as warrior tho
rare kite
sounds like warrior then because most of our animations and sounds are also ass
i like cs,ms and execute sounds. rampage for fury
dim basalt
Wasn't that bad when I tried
wooden lava
Pretty chill as warrior tho
It depends on ur group as a whole. Are you guys properly dropping screw-ups? Are red and blue playing properly separated? Can tanks manage the aoe drop off damage? Is boss positioned well so melee can get full uptime?
wooden lava
Too many variables in such a cluttered space
quaint otter
1st boss, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th and 7th ALL have spread out adds that classes like ...
good ill suck on ww again
white gate
Heya, just started practicing Arms rotation. There seems to be quite a lot of un-aligned CDs, and I'm curious what abilities are worth holding for others? Or should I just be sending things as soon as they come up?
teal fossil
outside of damage amp phases, the only thing you can hold is avatar for a colossus smash
white gate
gotcha, what about bladestorm?
brittle fiber
blade storm and throwing weapon would be such a cool interaction
blade storms ads in range, throws weapons at enemies far away
fresh spire
blade storm and throwing weapon would be such a cool interaction
how about bladestorm storm bolt
(the hidden tech)
brittle fiber
:huge:
What's that choom? you need to tab target vampiric touch to maximise dps? heh. bladestormbolt
fresh spire
fresh spire
👀
quartz girder
magic canopy
@fresh spire they had to basically aura buff the warrior class over 10% ahahaha
fringe temple
{}
fresh spire
some day :surely:
charred brook
AYO WE EATIN GOOD
misty sandal
finite wasp
poggers
fresh spire
some pretty heavy buffs
blissful bronze
I'm moist tbh, TIME TO BE META
fresh spire
slam needed a buff tbh
finite wasp
its the same
charred brook
Slam 30% is crazy
fresh spire
it was almost wroth using rend over it
manic grotto
lfg
finite wasp
bc ms cleave buffed
eager sigil
We are so fucking back
opaque radish
AYO???
gusty oxide
It is not a lucid dream, right?
manic egret
Still no fixes for sweeping animation since 11.0.5
manic egret
No rework…
quasi torrent
cant math mu
finite wasp
its roughly around an 8% overall
buff
take it with grain of salt tho bc its roughlt
fresh spire
well
shadow ibex
The unhinged gap widens
shadow ibex
Dn outta nowhere
fresh spire
i dunno if it helps it
buffing the base 20% only gives SOA the same value 😦
given we got some heavy buffs and tier changes ill look more into aoe stuff this weekend
see just how DN is now
smoky kayak
def looks like way more then 8% on paper
I didn't put the relative change in Updates cause it's kinda meaningless atm, since so many other things changing
fresh pier
arms bros are we so back?
smoky kayak
Like Arms moving toward Battlelord, all the Fury RA changes, etc are going to shake everything up, so it'd be kinda misleading to say "this is a +X% buff!"
magic canopy
yar
smoky kayak
suffice to say tho, buff good 
magic canopy
im like the masses i just see big numby and get excited
finite wasp
i think now we might not actually get destroyed by paladins
fresh spire
im like the masses i just see big numby and get excited
when the blue post includes ONLY your class
magic canopy
i was dooming for sure
but when warrior starts getting the focus
starting to pog out
xeos bout to show up and tell me to eat dirt
fresh spire
Certified Xeos moment
gusty oxide
Even prot got an article
gusty nymph
as the dude says, good numbys... 🙂
reef mauve
SO... numbers go up
gusty nymph
that is it. nothing more. Class plays the same. But tier make things smooth, so no change to gameplay feels less disappointing to me...
shadow ibex
Die jugg die
brittle fiber
just give us ashen jugg or some shit
cobalt sinew
when are they gonna take sweeping strikes off the gcd
vast surge
What if Juggernaut didn’t give execute more damage but instead the stacks were consumed on your next colossus smash and increased the damage modifier by 30+X%
vast surge
when are they gonna take sweeping strikes off the gcd
Or put some damage on it like they did with blade flurry
Like when you activate sweeping strikes you cleave all targets in front of you
fresh spire
magic canopy
god dammit lmao
fresh spire
god dammit lmao
dapper shell
is something with rend wrong on ptr or is my interface trolling me
rare kite
colossus compensation
what should they do do you think? buff demolish itself? make it more % per stack?
lean geode
Buff demolish and make it not shit to cast amen
shadow ibex
there's like 4 talents that can buff specifically in the colossus tree so it wouldnt affect arms overall
minor gust
Buff demolish and make it not shit to cast amen
ever since ive thought of this I really really want a demolish to work like templar strikes
wide nebula
minor gust
bonk bonk BONK
brittle fiber
what should they do do you think? buff demolish itself? make it more % per stack...
play a subway surfer reel every time you cast demolish
boring ahhh ability
lean geode
ever since ive thought of this I really really want a demolish to work like temp...
Not sure I know what you mean, templar strikes is the combo crusader strike node innit
Where the second cast within 10 seconds or whatever is big buffed
tribal kindle
I think Demolish should straight up just replace colossus smash. Idk about protection and honestly after protection rage nerfs I don’t seem them picking demolish
rare kite
not that prot was picking colossus in higher keys anyway
minor gust
Not sure I know what you mean, templar strikes is the combo crusader strike node...
yeah press it and it turns into a different button
rare kite
you can hit higher than that. hit over 3m before the buffs(max)
shadow ibex
i wasnt using trinkets or anything just hitting a dummy half afk
minor gust
Not sure I know what you mean, templar strikes is the combo crusader strike node...
basically instead of a channel you have 3 hits 1st 2 ST and 3 would just be a giant aoe infront on you
shadow ibex
trying to get 4pc to proc
brittle fiber
what should happen every time you cast demolish
rare kite
almost 4m
wait i'm using a 636 weapon from testing dungeon earlier(to use an embellishment)
edgy solstice
nah but my guildies been sharing your twitter memes 😄
🫡
full merlin
hey guys, just a quick question. it has been awhile since ive simmed since work has been eating my free time away. i was just wondering if yall do Patchwerk 1 boss 5 minute or Dungeon slice or Patchwerk 5 boss 1 minute 30 secs. any suggestions of what the best sim is for arms is appreciated
for M+ ^
gilded stump
Will the new buffs make Arms Colossus good?
finite wasp
Will the new buffs make Arms Colossus good?
hard maybe
it might be somewhere around good or solid
gilded stump
hard maybe
Will it at least be enough to not use Skullsplitter
finite wasp
well if ur talking about st it'll still be a piece of shit
but the aoe will probably be pretty strong
rare kite
Will it at least be enough to not use Skullsplitter
in raid you will definetely be using skullsplitter. in m+ i doubt it. i also doubt colossus will see any play in raid
gilded stump
in raid you will definetely be using skullsplitter. in m+ i doubt it. i also dou...
I guess I stick to fury if the changes take them out of the bottom percentile
finite wasp
i mean slayer arms should be pretty strong in raid