Yeah, I did see that...
#arms
misty sandal
olive nest
Looks like the warrior icon to me
misty sandal
I got sick of it after the first watch because... yeah...
olive nest
charred brook
tbh, in testing so far arms was really only amazing for like CoC
i was fury for almost everything else
i played AM Thane fury and it had my CDs for the most part lining up with most add sets and timings of fights
icy mulch
I liked Cataclysm Arms. That was my rose tinted member berry times.
rare kite
tbh, in testing so far arms was really only amazing for like CoC
what's CoC? if it's an abbreviation for one of the new bosses i have no clue what any of them are named. except one armed bandit
charred brook
its the dino vs monkey boss
tacit crystal
clssh ofh carnage
charred brook
ST the entire fight until they meet in the middle
tacit crystal
RAWR
charred brook
and u can SS
tacit crystal
:dinosaur:
rare kite
its the dino vs monkey boss
ahh
tacit crystal
that fight is a turbo tank diff btw
charred brook
theres adds but im p sure they will just stay ccd
icy mulch
Even in PVP Cataclysm Arms was a lot of fun.
rare kite
i know the appearance and descriptions of the bosses. 2nd last boss on heroic very good for arms, 2 target cleave alot of the time. one armed bandit 2 target cleave alot of the time
pure st tends to be arms nowadays as well
icy mulch
Man, these were better days for Warrior.
https://youtu.be/jS4K8KYYtO0?si=hfJ_FSqYP2kF0JaK
gusty nymph
Ptdr new build is late cuz off arms warrior complete rework 🤪
rare kite
real
stone marsh
Hi guys, I'm a bit confused by the wowhead guide. Wich one should I choose?
tacit crystal
for what content
dire hinge
that's for M+, Slayer. it's all in the screenshot 😉
tacit crystal
and hero talent
dire hinge
stone marsh
Because the screenshot says warbreaker but the explanation says Warbreaker sucks and Blunt Instruments is better.
So it's a bit misleading
dire hinge
Hi guys, I'm a bit confused by the wowhead guide. Wich one should I choose?
for what it's worth, you're absolutely welcome to play Slayer, but most people run Colossus in keys instead (about 85% run Colossus, for context). If you do want to play Slayer, you can absolutely do that though!
stone marsh
for what it's worth, you're absolutely welcome to play Slayer, but most people r...
Ah, I asked today and Iwas told they perform fairly similarly
dire hinge
they do, but most people run Colossus
rare kite
Because the screenshot says warbreaker but the explanation says Warbreaker sucks...
well for slayer it's kinda true that warbreaker kinda sucks. for colossus warbreaker is very good
stone marsh
well for slayer it's kinda true that warbreaker kinda sucks. for colossus warbre...
Yes, so i nthe build it shows Warbreaker as a choice but the text says Blunt weapons is better, so I'm uncertain which one to take.
For slayer, again
dire hinge
Warbreaker vs Colossus Smash comes down to Arms not really needing more AoE damage** on Slayer**. You're already speading Deep Wounds via Cleave, and even though it might seem strange, Blunt Instrument's longer haste window is pretty good for Slayer.
At the end of the day, you can honestly choose either one and be perfectly fine. Warbreaker gives you more AoE damage (not much) but Blunt Instruments gives you way more Single Target.
stone marsh
Warbreaker vs Colossus Smash comes down to Arms not really **needing** more AoE ...
All right
Thanks
dire hinge
again, seems strange to take a single target talent on an AoE build, but give it a shot and it plays really good.
stone marsh
That's actually kind of cool that Arms gets so much freedom of hero specs and talents
I come from classes that are super cookie cutter haha
dire hinge
yeah, most of the build is pretty locked in, but we have a few flexy points where you aren't completely destroying your build to change them
stone marsh
Play this hero spec and these talents like everyone else, no choice
stone marsh
well for slayer it's kinda true that warbreaker kinda sucks. for colossus warbre...
The thing is that the guide also says that Warbreaker is bad for colossus
Is it outdated or something?
dire hinge
the comment itself is still true, but most people take it anyways for colossus
rare kite
thank god
dire hinge
oo
stone marsh
The 4 piece looks kind of nice
coral crescent
are we back?
rare kite
arms is always back
naive sage
Crying on twitter has been useful, I see 
rare kite
tierset looks very nice. 20% haste(potentially) when winning streak ends biig
fresh spire
20% haste in execute will be nuts
quaint otter
drops on second op
rare kite
wtf do we drop to take deft? in st
river ridge
Now we just need our winning streak to not immediately over ride a more powerful one.
dim basalt
For me it reads like the Haste buff doesnt actually go up with stacks
fathom shoal
? It says "and"
rare kite
For me it reads like the Haste buff doesnt actually go up with stacks
testing it right now. i just got 10% haste from losing my streak
fathom shoal
Noice
dim basalt
Thats insane actually
dim basalt
? It says "and"
Oh yeah because that meant anything in the past as well 
You could absolutely read it as both buffs being kinda seperate
But good its not that way
fathom shoal
Oh yeah because that meant anything in the past as well <:keks:93623161085089799...
Lol
weak rain
This tier set looks much better lmao
tacit crystal
hitting a 20% haste winning streak in execute
rare kite
hahahahah 81% haste without bloodlust
tacit crystal
tacit crystal
hahahahah 81% haste without bloodlust
DD
dim basalt
Honestly
rare kite
i have 23% haste baseline
dim basalt
Even if it was capped at 6% it would be strong as hell
weak rain
hahahahah 81% haste without bloodlust
Nyalotha flashbacks
dim basalt
Like theres no way they wont nerf our tier haha
rare kite
so max stacks of tier+iftk in execute
tacit crystal
so max stacks of tier+iftk in execute
tom returns
weak rain
TOM TIME BABY
rare kite
not necessarily gio. iftk is insane
last inlet
lol
rare kite
iftk scales on our haste
tacit crystal
yeah i just tealized
dim basalt
whats tom
rare kite
yup
magic canopy
new tier woaw
tacit crystal
sim andwer it seems
magic canopy
fury tier shambala
weak rain
arms tier baby
naive breach
shambala
rare kite
AHHH YES
weak rain
XD
dim basalt
Could our tier possibly be the strongest bonus now?
rare kite
Unironically best change
rare kite
Could our tier possibly be the strongest bonus now?
out of all the tiers? devoker i've heard is like 30%
dim basalt
out of all the tiers? devoker i've heard is like 30%
Jesus fucking christ
But they need that
rare kite
some of the ranged tiersets are crazy. firemage, devoker,augvoker,destro and demo
all of those are just broken
dim basalt
Whats the 2nd trinket we would run tho
naive breach
we are so back til the next notes nerf everything to the ground again 
tacit crystal
right
rare kite
in raid eye of kezan. in m+ maybe reverb radio?
tacit crystal
what if you just ran eye as a stat stick anywyas
dim basalt
Reverb radio sounds decent for M+ yeah
magic canopy
reverb is even more haste idk
dim basalt
If the stacks dont run out too quickly
tacit crystal
what is the rafio
magic canopy
might be thug hotline
rare kite
what if you just ran eye as a stat stick anywyas
it drops out of combat for m+
tacit crystal
yeah but id take that loss for boss damage
rare kite
might be thug hotline
thug is so ass
gusty nymph
Still low utility medium dmg…. Looking forward to next season 🤪
dim basalt
priory trinket is stupidly op but its on use too I believe
magic canopy
2min no care
dim basalt
Would have to test it I guess
tacit crystal
i tried using it as dos
magic canopy
testing to see if the tier overwrites itself still
radiant cape
Let’s not forget arms still plays pretty terribly
rare kite
Still low utility medium dmg…. Looking forward to next season 🤪
bring your dooming somewhere else. for the moment the dooming is stopping(it will be back later)
wooden lava
wtf do we drop to take deft? in st
why drop deft?
naive sage
that means we either play tom or drop a shitload of haste in gear
full crit mastery gear
rare kite
why drop deft?
build is based on previous tierset
i am not dropping deft in this tierset
i am asking what to drop to take deft
since fatality is actually good now
tacit crystal
eb and op rage
gusty nymph
bring your dooming somewhere else. for the moment the dooming is stopping(it wil...
I am not dooming. U saw no coffin with dancing African dudes 🥸
tacit crystal
in execute
wooden lava
Oh, probably Exhilirating Blows
dim basalt
remnant for M+ maybe?
wooden lava
SS then?
wooden lava
is SS that valuable?
weak rain
drop sharpened blades and use mace, 5Head
thick kelp
rmbr when in DF beta we had weapon specific buffs
wooden lava
why pick Fatal tho?
wooden lava
hold CDs til 30%?
rare kite
even got a small indirect buff with house of cards being 90 seconds(if we're holding cds for fatality that is)
weak rain
No make maghar racial 1.5 min cd
magic canopy
so if you have a 10 stack with 20% haste and 20% MS damage
and you consume a 1 stack
you keep 10 stacks and refresh back to 12
dim basalt
That will 100% be nerfed lmfao
river ridge
Oh that's getting nerfed lmao
signal isle
Do you guys think this will change any prio on hero talents?
magic canopy
we are gonna be spamming the fuck out of Overpower
signal isle
Demo vs slayer
magic canopy
no slayer probably still the raid goto
weak rain
Slayer overpower engine
magic canopy
fury or collosus for aoe maybe
dim basalt
Defo slayer for raid
rare kite
Do you guys think this will change any prio on hero talents?
i think they kinda killed colossus for raid with the execute no stacks change
meant to reply to "demo vs slayer" comment but same guy so it works
signal isle
Yeah the ST feels pretty low compared to slayer
tacit crystal
i think they kinda killed colossus for raid with the execute no stacks change
unless we are spamming ms enough 
weak rain
So you just try to avoid using overpower as much as possible until you stack your tier and then spam the shit out of it to activate 4set probably
sounds kinda aids
rare kite
So you just try to avoid using overpower as much as possible until you stack you...
doubt it
dim basalt
^
wooden lava
does this mean it'd be worthwhile going into 2/2 on Deft Experience
If we're getting more consistent resets on OP
quaint otter
So you just try to avoid using overpower as much as possible until you stack you...
Arms arms arms arms
rare kite
i don't like bleeds on arms. so i'm fine with that
quaint otter
The most arms thing in this xpac
rare kite
funnily enough i like bleeds on fury. makes more sense in my head
signal isle
I feel like arms could do so much with a few extra points being freed up in the spec tree
weak rain
arms has laughable talents like bloodborne and cleave reset talent
rare kite
you can't compare bloodborne and storm of swords
tacit crystal
rip df storm of saords
teal fossil
in a good world bloodborne would make our bleeds tick 7.5% faster for bloodsurge sinergy
wooden lava
Do you guys think the 4p refreshign is intended or a bug?
gusty nymph
I feel like arms could do so much with a few extra points being freed up in the ...
Totally. We have very limited choices since some option have so much value…
river ridge
Bug
quaint otter
arms has laughable talents like bloodborne and cleave reset talent
And the rage free cleave one
rare kite
Good in slayer tho
you mean the opposite? good in colossus
rare kite
true. colossus has +ms and cleave damage
weak rain
Pretty sure its better in colo, getting chain procs during ravager feels insane
rare kite
big damage
quaint otter
Slayer with blademaster can do some nuts too
At least i pulled 2kk in my recent mists
dire hinge
nice!
quaint otter
fresh spire
Tier has some interesting interactions
tacit crystal
wait
fresh spire
Reprocs currently add stacks, so if you have 4 then proc then get a 2 after buff becomes 6 with full duration
quaint otter
At least i pulled 2kk in my recent mists <a:chatting:1266019851743399996>
Funny enough to see u dropping in details during bs
fresh spire
Colossus this actually might be a BL angle
dim basalt
Reprocs currently add stacks, so if you have 4 then proc then get a 2 after buff...
Just imagine having perma 10 stacks at 80% boss hp and onwards
fresh spire
OP is hitting as hard as execute
teal fossil
whoever said they were gonna flip the tier around was kinda smart
fresh spire
whoever said they were gonna flip the tier around was kinda smart
i joked about them flipping it way back
didnt actually expect it
quaint otter
OP is hitting as hard as execute
More like execute is just shit
teal fossil
also haste kinda cool
fresh spire
nah colossus doesn't have the scaling modifiers slayer does
fresh spire
Colossus BL tier surely 
tacit crystal
@rare kite
weak rain
you just have to spam op during exe then, ms priority goes down again for slayer in exe phase with that tier set
KEKW
dim basalt
BL would be fun
rare kite
we just drop unhinged and bs for deft
hahah could you imagine
fresh spire
im worried about op damage though in slayer 😄
tacit crystal
its deft instead of unhiged bs
yeah
we arent playing that dogshit
sinple
colo tier
wooden lava
even in slayer?
rare kite
no fatality for slayer. yess mate, no lining up cds bullshit
rare kite
hrothy we're gonna play sks atleast. that is bleed
weak rain
colo tier
weak rain
ahaha, nah but for real, colo can try to drop rava+unhinged in pure st, no?
tacit crystal
f the robot says its enough
weak rain
to take blord
magic canopy
Colossus BL tier surely <:yep:703420923625078804>
yeah i was epeculating idk
tacit crystal
not me
magic canopy
becuase with how good spamming OP is and keeping our 4set rolling potentially
deft looks really good
then Blord looks good
maybe we - critial - jug + blord and deft
weak rain
Colo pure st tree might look like st df arms build KEKW
tacit crystal
you would just play one on the right and drop bs for deft
rare kite
deft looks really good
tbf we were only gonna drop deft with our previous bonus anyway. because of the overpower cdr
wooden lava
what is crit
tacit crystal
im on phone
rare kite
huh what page? battlelord colossus?
rare kite
ofc no bs. ravager since colossus
rare kite
st?
tacit crystal
yeah
tacit crystal
holy fuck
weak rain
Roar ofc
dim basalt
Please no
tacit crystal
slow saddle
Hmm, we are happy bout tier change?
fresh spire
yes
dim basalt
I mean, a crit on Fatality would feel juicy as fuck
slow saddle
Or is it still weak as fuck
plucky flicker
I mean, a crit on Fatality would feel juicy as fuck
Since when can it crit ?
weak rain
fuck bladestorming, no ravager, no bladestorm colo TIER
vague nova
High rolling a half lust for a minute straight from refreshing it 😤
dire hinge
Since when can it crit ?
it was a change on PTR, but it might not be intentional bc it was never added to the change notes
naive sage
what is crit
Baby don’t hurt me
rare kite
it was a change on PTR, but it might not be intentional bc it was never added to...
still can't crit, unless it was added today
plucky flicker
it was a change on PTR, but it might not be intentional bc it was never added to...
Pretty sure they made it to scale with cds and mastery but it can't crit
dire hinge
true
last inlet
colosus gaming moment?
quaint otter
im playing that no matter what
Same
tacit crystal
and im playing spear
rare kite
colosus gaming moment?
ye
tacit crystal
spear for 30%
last inlet
brruh so excited
tacit crystal
fuck
quaint otter
What's the biggest weapon to transmog tho?
shadow ibex
fuck off
magic canopy
its funny to see gio excited in here
then i check fury and hes telling funky to go fuck himself
shadow ibex
remove jugg fuckin cowards
quaint otter
then i check fury and hes telling funky to go fuck himself
Alpha attitude
naive breach
gio is a very excited arms warrior main
tacit crystal
then i check fury and hes telling funky to go fuck himself
fury is for losers
arms is where its at
quaint otter
vague nova
Double the falloff time or third the max stacks but keep max damage of it
weak rain
Give arms new talent that works like razor coral from ashvane in eternal palace
tacit crystal
Double the falloff time or third the max stacks but keep max damage of it
just delete jug
shadow ibex
https://tenor.com/view/armswarrior-warrior-warriorwow-armswow-armswarriorwow-gif...
thats back
quaint otter
Give arms df s3 talent ...
quaint otter
thats back
Arms is back moment
vague nova
just delete jug
I like managing the stacks throughout a key. I do not like it falling off when I could not have done anything different / didn’t get a proc
shadow ibex
dire hinge
is this finally the return of the Legs warrior
tacit crystal
I like managing the stacks throughout a key. I do not like it falling off when I...
its bad anyways
tacit crystal
no
unborn canyon
Double the falloff time or third the max stacks but keep max damage of it
remove its fall off time, make it permanent while in combat, and then have like a 10 second fall off once u drop combat
quaint otter
No
unborn canyon
plucky flicker
How can you guys be so sure about Colossus getting played on pure ST when Slayer exists
unborn canyon
or just remove it
shadow ibex
remove its fall off time, make it permanent while in combat, and then have like ...
WE SPENT ALL EXPAC MAKING TRINKETS THAT DECAY OUTSIDE OF COMBAT
dire hinge
we are so back
shadow ibex
IF ONLY WE COULD USE IT ELSEWHERE
gusty nymph
No. And you ll like. We are in a good place overall 🤪
rare kite
is this finally the return of the Legs warrior
yes. big innovative build
quaint otter
So legs
vague nova
I’d rather it be removed than kept how it is. But I enjoy the concept when I’m high rolling
weak rain
How can you guys be so sure about Colossus getting played on pure ST when Slayer...
OVerpower is op with new tier set
but robot will say for sure
plucky flicker
OVerpower is op with new tier set
And Slayer has 30% increased OP damage + Opportunist ?
weak rain
and slayer can't work without bladestorm
rare kite
How can you guys be so sure about Colossus getting played on pure ST when Slayer...
we're just memeing. almost no chance we play colossus on st
plucky flicker
It's not like Slayer is allergic to overpower
quaint otter
Overpower is kinda overpowered u say?
shadow ibex
colossus still hasnt gotten ST boost to compensate for the exe nerf
tacit crystal
we are so back
its perfect isnt it
strange perch
we are so back
NO BLADESTORM - BLASPHEMER
shadow ibex
clueless fuckin blizzard probably doesnt know we lost dmg when they removed exe from stacks
strange perch
COLOSUCKUS
rare kite
gusty nymph
clueless fuckin blizzard probably doesnt know we lost dmg when they removed exe ...
Don’t start dooming. The happy police is around us 🤪
quaint otter
plucky flicker
Btw You guys know that there are only two pure ST bosses in this raid right ?
tacit crystal
i think it would be less grief if execute gave might stacks
tacit crystal
Btw You guys know that there are only two pure ST bosses in this raid right ?
?
coc is st
weak rain
Nah we play colo in raid next tier 100%, watch
naive sage
we are so back
Amogus
dim basalt
Just because some fights have adds it doesnt mean we take aoe talents tho
strange perch
Most of us wont even see tier set bonuses until 4-5-th week of Undermine raid.
Just CHILL.
naive breach
we are so back
the crotch has to be even BIGGER
rare kite
Coc and Gallywix
this guy is st as well
shadow ibex
if they removed the stack rate on 2pc i cry
dire hinge
the crotch has to be even BIGGER
if we roll back the clock a bit and look to the pants that came before jeans, we can leverage pantaloons to accomplish this
naive breach
lmao
shadow ibex
i really just wanna not play ravager as colossus
tacit crystal
play that
strange perch
if we roll back the clock a bit and look to the pants that came before jeans, we...
Pants ... arms ... it makes sense now
tacit crystal
play the frredom
finite wasp
I think with changes it might benefit towards st a little more
but overall its still gonna be mediocre
winter robin
anyone here tried the new arms tier coming?
weak rain
ye, it's good
dim basalt
its good busted
naive sage
Pants ... arms ... it makes sense now
Legs
Pants are made for the legs
strange perch
Legs
Pants are made for the legs
Normies will never understand the joy of wearing pants on the chest.
candid pecan
is it 20% haste on 10 stacks for 12 seconds?
teal fossil
i can see the haste going down to 1%
sharp wyvern
nah they want us to play collosus so we can stack crit
wooden lava
how important is bloodletting?
teal fossil
pretty important
shadow ibex
free rend is big
extending tr is big too
the gorilla and robot dinosaur rush to eachother for x2 target cleave but they separate at like 90 seconds
rare kite
i can see the haste going down to 1%
i can too. i'd rather they nerf something else about the set tbh, haste is so fun
tacit crystal
what if they raised chance to lose winning
dire hinge
what if they raised chance to lose winning
it adds stacks and refreshes existing ones currently from what we saw
tacit crystal
it adds stacks and refreshes existing ones currently from what we saw
refreshing will disappear
smoky kayak
it might; kind of a hard problem to solve tbh
smoky kayak
off the top of my head, there are three basic ways to do it
- refreshing overwrites, which sucks when your 10s buff turns into a 3s buff
- refreshing extends, which is OP when your 3 stack extends a 10s
- you can't refresh at all, which creates downtime
halcyon valve
if we roll back the clock a bit and look to the pants that came before jeans, we...
warriors canonically got thick thighs
smoky kayak
there are other options ofc, just depends on how convoluted they wanna get with it
but it also depends on the power level, if the bonus is only worth +5%, then extending on refresh probably isn't gonna break anything, despite being the more "OP" way of doing it
lean geode
That's 1 in every 7ish OP
gaunt owl
buff last 12 seconds
lets say you have 1 sec GCD for simplicity
will you even have enough Tactician proc to get those 7 OP in there
quaint otter
impossible
lean geode
Sim currently presses OP every ~5s on average it seems
gaunt owl
they are probably trying to have downtime and uptime on this buff
dire hinge
is this when they give OP the fury treatment and turn it into a stacking buff to consume, but you can't re-trigger it during existing windows?
versed carbon
are the war devs have no creativty ? we had the set buffing cleave anddc ms for 3 patches now i think ?
quaint otter
do we have other buttons?
gaunt owl
MS / OP / Execute ?
candid pecan
hey atleast we dont have to play test of might right?
gaunt owl
they can only do so much without reinventing the wheel
fringe moon
does the 4pc extend the duration now or still overwrite? would hate to overwrite a 20% haste/MS damage buff with a 2% one
naive sage
are the war devs have no creativty ? we had the set buffing cleave anddc ms for ...
They said they don’t want tier sets to be too much relevant after the introduction of hero talents. S1 tier has almost been an exception to this
fresh spire
does the 4pc extend the duration now or still overwrite? would hate to overwrite...
Currently from testing it:
Stacks are addititive, So if you have 5 stacks of the 4p currently active and you proc a new 2 stack it becomes a 7 stack 12 seconds instead
fringe moon
https://discord.com/channels/148872210742771712/148898720803586048/1332062029380...
I'm lost. Isn't the 4pc buff 12 seconds regardless of how many stacks you have?
fringe moon
Currently from testing it:
Stacks are addititive, So if you have 5 stacks of the...
oOo....that's fantastic
fringe moon
going to definitely love the high rollers that stack to 20% and never lose it, lol
tacit crystal
lol
eager sigil
0% wipes holy
eager sigil
we are doing first reclear this week and silken is a horror
floral ledge
guys wtf
how im doing more dmg
post exec
with this
i have literally 2 tallents im not using
let him cook
eager sigil
idk probably because you tested it once or its just how you feel
lean geode
If this is slayer that shit needs to go back in the oven
floral ledge
If this is slayer that shit needs to go back in the oven
it is
shadow ibex
yea thats wrong
gaunt owl
because bladestorm is secretly shit
brittle fiber
Chat is haste good
untold trench
Yes, haste good
zenith shadow
Hey guys ! I’m looking to find a melee main for s2. Wanted to ask how you guys like arms? My goal is to do heroic raiding and m+ and potentially push to 12-14 range. Also want to get into mythic raiding next season also.
I’ve tried rogue, monk, and dk!
eager sigil
warrior works but probably wont be the best
zenith shadow
I don’t find fury interesting but arms I do
brittle fiber
Hey guys ! I’m looking to find a melee main for s2. Wanted to ask how you guys l...
Go frost dk
quaint otter
Or sub rogue
zenith shadow
Go frost dk
I am just not a fan of breath.. I did it in bfa and man I just hated it
zenith shadow
Is arms better in raids? I seen in wcl they perform better unless seen it incorrectly
lean geode
and dont expect any pug invites if u dont have 3400+ this season
2.9k 640 ilvl 7/8M and it takes 30m to get into a 12 
quaint otter
Depends
quaint otter
Is arms better in raids? I seen in wcl they perform better unless seen it incorr...
Fury good in add fights
Arms a bit better in full st
lean geode
Is arms better in raids? I seen in wcl they perform better unless seen it incorr...
Fury good for cleaving down adds, arms better for boss dam
quaint otter
2.9k 640 ilvl 7/8M and it takes 30m to get into a 12 <:deadge:900279927138578432...
637 cant get into 10th now
lean geode
I get into 10s no problem on 625 rogue shruge
quaint otter
my rogue is 626 and cant either
lean geode
Unlucky
quaint otter
even when i post my own key
lean geode
NA vs EU diffy perhaps
untold trench
2.9k 640 ilvl 7/8M and it takes 30m to get into a 12 <:deadge:900279927138578432...
I would not invite you. Ppl with 3.2k sign with their shamans
quaint otter
I would not invite you. Ppl with 3.2k sign with their shamans
and pull 1.5kk dps
yay
quaint otter
"but bro u only pull like 7 packs i need more to do actual dam"
untold trench
Meanwhile me as Fury warrior: Don't worry Mr tank, 5 at a time is fine 
plus don't pull more than 8
untold trench
I only got 1 14, and it is ++ 
I still won't be invited for that key in a 8
Feels warrior DPS man
At least I got myself to blame, next season I won't rule myself to PuG the way
gaunt owl
oh well ez
freedom
lean geode
I don't think I've lost on overall in a key in months
But there's no way for that to be reflected in my io so
Unlucky go next
quaint otter
io isnt just about dps tho
lean geode
True
quaint otter
i load in a 15th mists yesterday and shaman thing didnt know a shit to do on a pull
no kicks no poly etc
lean geode
I mean I also do kicks and stops and shit but yeah I mean we have no cleanse or purge or anything so
I'm just yapping tho
Skill issue more than anything
untold trench
It is one of those weird things. I too usually top meters in pugs.
Far from it with mates, but for pugs they should sit with the impression that warrior is giga solid
Play with ppl who ain't bad at the game tho, we get beat
quaint otter
It is one of those weird things. I too usually top meters in pugs.
Far from it w...
ez box
lean geode
Everyone in my guild just raid logs these days though
quaint otter
dunno how can i outdamage mage and woyer but ill take it
quaint otter
but he has 150 more io than me...
gaunt owl
bad driver can have more km done than you
untold trench
When you get declined for not being a BS in SV
quaint otter
When you get declined for not being a BS in SV
wrong nickname colour
shadow ibex
livid cloak
It is one of those weird things. I too usually top meters in pugs.
Far from it w...
I beat a 637 fury warrior on my 617 shaman. Pug warriors aren't very solid in my experience
But tbh it's so much more the player than the class
Just most pugs aren't very solid
untold trench
Even the worst fury warrior, cant perform badly
dim basalt
man the tier update makes me happier than it should
livid cloak
Yeah it's very exciting
quaint otter
But 1.1m overall for 637 was pretty tough to see
i had 1.3kk one in 14 arakara
remote ledge
is crit cosmetic as colo in m+
lean geode
Perma lusted
It's 12s duration with 15% proc chance, napkin math with current cast rate of OP is like 40% uptime
dim basalt
It's 12s duration with 15% proc chance, napkin math with current cast rate of OP...
Until you learn that the buff stacks and resets
naive breach
looks like 40% to me
olive nest
Quick math
lean geode
Is winning streak the haste buff or the OP buff
dim basalt
haste and ms buff
lean geode
Oh
dim basalt
yeeeep
lean geode
There's a reason I play fury :^)
lean geode
Walhe does current tier make colossus windmill dunk on slayer or
Surely they don't change how the buff works right
shadow ibex
yea winning streak is the stacking buff u consume
fresh spire
fuar
thick kelp
maybe we can do smth tomorrow
dim basalt
I dont think they can really nerf the stacking/resetting thing
thick kelp
but my OP with opport is
dim basalt
Hard issue to tackle
thick kelp
doin dam
dim basalt
I expect them to nerf the haste buff by 75% tbh
olive nest
When you reset your winning streak what happens?
Get the haste/dam buff
And then what happens when you reset again?
Within that window
You’re saying the two buffs would then stack?
dim basalt
ye
olive nest
Oh that’s sick I wonder how they play that
They’ll have to limit it somehow right
But if they make it so you can’t reset while it’s active then we’re just sitting at 10 stacks perma
naive breach
i mean its probably not the strongest tier there is am i mistaken
looking at some of the spell boys
olive nest
20% haste and damage is pretty big
naive breach
just let wrarior have fun once ion
naive breach
probably enhancer
dim basalt
But if they make it so you can’t reset while it’s active then we’re just sitting...
Not at 10 perma but we will have a stupidly high uptime still
thick kelp
got a lucky near 60% haste for 12 seconds
naive sage
Could it interact in nasty ways with cyrce ring?
dim basalt
Execute meme making a comeback with this tier
eager sigil
likely late feb early march
misty sandal
probably enhancer
I do recall his main being a shaman. Take that for what it's worst 😅
At least there's a lot of fun to have before they whip out the old hammer .
tough tangle
have they fixed rage being sparse or no
tough tangle
yeah sorry I meant during execute phase
dim basalt
Its not that bad even in execute
steep osprey
Depends on the build
For full st you’re fine because you take critical thinking
But m+ build it’s an issue
dim basalt
The fact that critical thinking is not baseline is dumb anyway
But honestly if it wasnt an issue in M+ we would be really strong
Its not like colossus st is THAT miserable in M+
steep osprey
The fact that critical thinking is not baseline is dumb anyway
Real
Either make it baseline or make improved execute baseline
dim basalt
Or they make it a 1 pointer idk
dim basalt
So we finally have a good capstone? Sure
signal isle
How does slayer compare to colossus in m+? Feels like I do a bit less aoe but the ST feels pretty good on slayer
I sim almost 200k lower just in ST as colossus. Was wondering if it’s worth to just play slayer right now
dim basalt
Slayer does slightly more ST but Col does a lot more aoe
olive nest
I haven’t even bothered trying slayer in M+ Colo is just way to fun for me
I do play slayer in raid though pretty much full ST boss blaster
dim basalt
Got queen to 50% / intermission start in just an hour, thats decent Id say
olive nest
Except court I play Colo there
olive nest
Got queen to 50% / intermission start in just an hour, thats decent Id say
Day 1 prog? That’s great!
dim basalt
ye we just killed court
Nobody was prepared for queen lmao
We didnt think we would kill it first try today
olive nest
That’s sick grats!
dim basalt
ty
olive nest
My team is pretty much hard stuck making it to p2 with everyone alive
Farthest we seen was clicking 2nd bridge with half raid dead
More raid tonight though!
🙏
dim basalt
Do portals make it that hard?
olive nest
Portals don’t seem that hard really but I’m also last so I haven’t even done mine yet
It’s like a 20second count down in the WA so plenty of time to react
olive nest
A lot of deaths we get are people running through portal and dieing to bad baits on the opposite platforms
dim basalt
But we doubt we can kill her until S2 because there are plenty of weeks ahead where lots of people are gone
olive nest
Also people just simply getting yoinked off happens too lol
dim basalt
rare kite
there's an ignore pain change for arms?
cobalt sinew
so sayeth the datamine
latent hull
warrior buffs when
cobalt sinew
they changed the secret formuler
before it was (attack power * 5.6875) * (1+vers) * 1 * 1
now it is 0* (1+versatility)
stone marsh
Hey guys, i tried arms today and all my cooldowns were super disjointed so I was just sending everything on CD so it was pretty wack haha. Should I be aligning some of them outside of opener?
dire hinge
Arm's cooldowns naturally desync from each other thanks to the talent named Anger Management, you just send them when they're available
zenith warren
I see on lorrgs that on queen some groups bl on pull and some in p3, what you thnik is better now?
stone marsh
Arm's cooldowns naturally desync from each other thanks to the talent named Ange...
Coool
tardy hare
I see on lorrgs that on queen some groups bl on pull and some in p3, what you th...
Prog you lust p3 for farm you can lust whenever
sharp wyvern
scientology man playing wow 
minor gust
I see on lorrgs that on queen some groups bl on pull and some in p3, what you th...
We lusted on pull to maximize boss dmg p3 is piss easy you don't need to lust there
Basically once you get to P3 with everyone alive boss is dead
teal fossil
yes
paper gulch
Oh that might be pretty good then.
tranquil sundial
is it just me or is RNG and DPS variance absolute bonkers lately?
eager sigil
for arms?
tranquil sundial
compared to SL that im experiencing is massive
fresh spire
is it just me or is RNG and DPS variance absolute bonkers lately?
Going to get even bigger
paper gulch
Yep
fresh spire
Gamba tier
teal fossil
compared to SL that im experiencing is massive
SL def bigger
lol
mortal combo+enduring blows was insane variance
comapred to right now
paper gulch
Wasnt that bad.
teal fossil
it mathematically was pretty bad
paper gulch
This new set bonus gonna be really annoying or really good.
teal fossil
and he said "lately" implying live
not about the new bonus
we'll see how the new bonus turns out in terms of variance
paper gulch
Maybe you should ask him if he means with the new set bonus because there isnt much variance on live right now.
shy tide
new tierset refreshes all the stacks for the full duration when you proc it again while its active atm
probably not intended
but uhh interesting
teal fossil
new tierset refreshes all the stacks for the full duration when you proc it agai...
yeah that sounds cracked
shy tide
dont mind me guys just rolling my 10 stack proc for 30 seconds
teal fossil
so if you have 5 seconds of 8 stacks left and proc a 2 stack, you get 12 seconds of 10 stack?
teal fossil
yeah
paper gulch
It would be better if it was just a slot machine buff.
teal fossil
sorry
teal fossil
no way thats intended
shy tide
so if you proc an 8 and then a 2 you get a full 10
teal fossil
else you just prio OP every time you have 1 stack
shy tide
it makes you press OP for a degenerate gambling for the extendo
paper gulch
They could just make it work like destro lock mastery or mages incanters flow and it would be great. Tie it to a weak aura and bam.
paper gulch
They might have to buff tactician then.
teal fossil
no i want 20% perma haste pls
minor gust
Die overpowe die
minor gust
I can see dropping sks for EB
magic canopy
if we get EB killing CT and Jugg for Deft + Blord maybe
jugg still feels very important for slayer tho
minor gust
well see what Fishy comes up with but yeah that build you did in ur vid would be so fun
dropping Jugg and ct for deft and blord + EB
magic canopy
played this for tested int it does not feel good
dropping uproar as well will be nice
Rick seems like an AM fury fight for sure
minor gust
updating ptr stuff I kinda wanna play around a bit
is there more raid testing this week?
magic canopy
tomorrow 4 hours of testing
minor gust
nice ima do that
minor gust
just reminding me we still have the cursed fatality that scales with cds
magic canopy
-sks + finishing blows
ill be honest i actually fucking hate the Uproar + sks playstyle
so goddam much
fishy save me
fresh spire
this is likely what we gonna end up with. Depending on executes value will decide if we run BB or Finishing. moment i have the tier implemented ill have more info
i say i have it inplemented, moment god arma saves me from guess work 🙏
i tried it on training dummies
OP was hitting more than execute without jug
shy tide
Infinite OP build inc
fresh spire
basically was doing ms>op>execute sub 35
magic canopy
i was playing the one i mentioned above
and it felt like dogshit
on every encouter
fresh spire
But we will likely play around dumping rage for execute at this rate as it was mega rage capped
magic canopy
with the new tier set we just spam OP/MS as much as posible
and execute between procs
of MS sending
shy tide
The funny tier extensions are kinda funny in execute since it gives you a shitton of rage
magic canopy
to generate more OP
and then it feels like sudden death procs just feel out low rage moments
shy tide
I was just doing the 2op+2exec into MS and never ran out of rage
magic canopy
some fights do not seem viable for arms though
Rick reverb at least right now if you dont explode the adds you just die
first and second boss seem arms fine though
fresh spire
how much damage is needed for adds on reverb
eager sigil
I was just doing the 2op+2exec into MS and never ran out of rage
doesnt that work even without that set
magic canopy
how much damage is needed for adds on reverb
its moreso the CD timings. theres about a minite between sets
fresh spire
as cleave is a monster right now, even to the point it was better than slam on st
magic canopy
maybe colossus will fare better then slayer fury
but they are spread out enough where cleave wont hit them all
its kinda cursed
fresh spire
Sweep range?
fresh spire
surely dk can grip them :raidbuff::grip:
magic canopy
so its sweep range, but you cant actaully get more then 1 in front of you
but that could just be a baiting issue
fresh spire
sounds a little aids, guess we find out when we see rwf do the bosses
magic canopy
5 explosive crates spawn every minute
fresh spire
as they will find the most efficent way for them, or run 3 boomkins
magic canopy
they dont do damage fast enough
to be fair we tested at 644 ilvl when hero track starts at 1/6 649
so we were 5 ilvls below hero track doing mythic bosses
magic canopy
sounds a little aids, guess we find out when we see rwf do the bosses
i do have footage of all the mythic testable fights so far if you wanted to see them
for it to make more sense
fresh spire
its more that i've done no personal research. been a litte lazy not looking into stuff
though any build right now that doesn't run 1/2 or 2 deft i think is bad, overpower just gained monsterous value
minor gust
ohhh yeahhh
fresh spire
at least for any testing would suggest running close to live builds for both specs swapping BB in both for Deft/EB
slayer likely might still run 1/2 deft
i cant see a world we drop it now given overpower hits like an absolute truck in colossus, even so hits just a little less in slayer, gcds filled with as much overpower than slam is a good thing
brittle fiber
youd think ToM would be better with critical thinking over deft experience no?
battlelord can't be that reliable of a talent
magic canopy
youd think ToM would be better with critical thinking over deft experience no?
Could be ToM or IFTK it doesnt really matter
whatever does more numbers you dont really think or play much different with either
IFTK is just nicer, but all that extra haste will probably still do very well in Execute windows even with the tier set change
fresh spire
biggest issue with TOM right now is that strength is scaling pretty poorly in arms being one of our more lower stats, not to mention we are being forced into a playstyle where we likely want to use op alot more than before which over the course of a fight is too many gcds filled of 0 rage spent. Haste is a pretty solid stat in slayer as well. Slam is just too weak of a button to go spamming over overpower to justify the extra Strength too
rare kite
iftk haste also isn't flat 10/20% it scales with your haste. iftk big good
crimson steppe
Is Slayer Arms gonna be doodoo next tier
lean geode
If you have to ask, you already know the answer
misty bridge
basically was doing ms>op>execute sub 35
jugg dead
fresh spire
maybe, was more of a feely crafter ptr lag fest moment
ill have more info when i can get it how jug is vs bl
misty bridge
one can hope
fresh spire
before tier change colossus was behind by alot
it still hasnt had compensation for killing colossal might from execute
brittle fiber
hnnnnnnng that trinket is going to be so good for fatality
lean geode
Surely they make demolish not shite to cast and use right
crimson steppe
It feels like they don't want Arms to use execute for some reason
teal fossil
It feels like they don't want Arms to use execute for some reason
people want conflicting things
some people want execute damage
some people want damage over all
some people want more time in execute
currently jamming execute for like 5 gcds straight is probably not what they intended
rugged jasper
Weirdly enough the Pay them Back buff you get from the 4 piece, it's buff is only showing the haste benefit. I am not getting one that says the increased mortal strike damage. Anyone else?
rugged jasper
I wonder if what I mentioned about not seeing a buff for MS, it just indicating the haste increase, is why? maybe its just not working
teal fossil
Weirdly enough the Pay them Back buff you get from the 4 piece, it's buff is onl...
hover over your MS tooltip with and without buff
magic canopy
it does increase MS damage the tooltip just shows haste rn
teal fossil
try that
magic canopy
yeah i did what he said above it increases it
rugged jasper
Oh ok, yea didn't try that.
brittle fiber
people want conflicting things
Then there's some guy that keeps coming in here being adamant that arms shouldn't have bleeds.
magic canopy
i dont mind arms having bleeds
i mind building around bleeds
its not very warrior or arms like
rugged jasper
Why rav over BS?
brittle fiber
because it's colossus
magic canopy
Collosus
rugged jasper
Ah I never really played it
teal fossil
i mind building around bleeds
yeah i agree with this
magic canopy
Rav lets you hit buttons while using CD
Bladestorm doesnt
so unless you want mongo AoE its just worse
teal fossil
you need some sort of baseline bleed for uptime damage/reduce burst/lower the gap between shit and good players
brittle fiber
ive always hated sks sinces its implementation
shadow ibex
finishing needs to go
magic canopy
that thing had to be buffed AND had to have 3 seperate talents baked into it for it to even be viable
steep osprey
I think rend should go
shadow ibex
rend and tclap dont need to be two different buttons
steep osprey
Ad they should buff dw by 100%
teal fossil
i dont think applying a dot is that intrusive in the rotation
but yeah it can get tiresome
brittle fiber
the beauty of bleeds in warrior is that it doesn't significantly punish when we're forced into downtime
teal fossil
instead of losing 100% of your damage in downtime we lose 80
brittle fiber
yea
steep osprey
What’s the point of Rend? They can just delete it and bake it’s damage into DW, literally no change
teal fossil
so you have to apply it
brittle fiber
its use has diminished over the years but it used to be properly integrated into tier sets and such
steep osprey
Applying some shitty bleed every 20 seconds
No thanks
3% damage bleed
I miss legion rend
shadow ibex
cuz its a pvp spec that needs to do dmg while being kited