#arms
fresh spire
tacit crystal
ishy
tacit crystal
holy aura
tacit crystal
icy mulch
Dawwww! Give em head scritches for me!
tacit crystal
he was rolling in the grass instead of walking
icy mulch
Nothing wrong with that. Lol
fresh spire
https://tenor.com/view/fennec-fall-gif-18476264
steep osprey
What’s going on here
fresh spire
its fox time
icy mulch
icy mulch
To make bis arms
Cataclysm CS proc cool down.
fresh spire
Enduring blows
steep osprey
Did you know that Enduring Blows is a tier set bonus from cata
fresh spire
i mean we are used to recycled content, do it again 
tacit crystal
what about ip contributing to am and having a shorter cd
fresh spire
no
tacit crystal
i like tom
icy mulch
That was degen behavior
fresh spire
tom is dead
tacit crystal
tom is my friend
rare kite
i like tom
why? all it does is make the damage profile flatter and makes cs mean less
it's so ass
steep osprey
fresh spire
give it back
tacit crystal
why? all it does is make the damage profile flatter and makes cs mean less
it felt fun when i first started but i also wasnt good idk
icy mulch
I was talking about tactician resetting CS cool down, but yeah that set was pretty nice. Back when Arms had bloodthirst as well.
eager sigil
legion had it too
icy mulch
Fuck right, the set was the same for both
steep osprey
I was talking about tactician resetting CS cool down, but yeah that set was pret...
They’d have to do a lot of tuning to arms damage breakdown
To do that
icy mulch
Nah
steep osprey
Fuck right, the set was the same for both
Yeah sets were like that before WoD
I think
icy mulch
1 ppm would be good
icy mulch
Glad they switched that.
rare kite
cs tactician with shattered defenses and precise strikes
rare kite
one can cope
shadow ibex
Its all gamba
eager sigil
fresh spire
corgo copter
silk spade
shadow ibex
What no build does to a mfer
steep osprey
What shit spec does to a mf
fresh spire
What no build does to a mfer
you find other stupid shit
like cleave being better than slam in st
:ohno
shadow ibex
Why not it has 20% dmg amp from tier
And benefits from all MS talents
Vestigial face ahh button slam
Mp nerf makes eating stacks matter less
I swear this shit spec is a house of cards
steep osprey
like cleave being better than slam in st
I feel like slam just does too little damage
It needs a huge buff
50% minimum
shadow ibex
let us exe always what purpose does it serve
Bleed off excess rage but it loses to free buttons even when capped
Just dumb
steep osprey
Slam should be doing the amount of damage it did in legion
Now it’s doing 30% of that
shadow ibex
Doesn't even spend well
20 cost
How much dmg can it do in this new world of fucking the cost of everything
steep osprey
Well, at least enough damage to press it instead of cleave on st lol
shadow ibex
Inb4 finishing is replaced by Inc cost and dmg of slam by 50%
steep osprey
I think slam should be doing more damage than OP
shadow ibex
Where have I seen this before...talent that increase the cost of an ability + dmg
steep osprey
I said it
shadow ibex
House of cards
End up like DF s1 pre OP buffs
Where we just mashed slam between ms
steep osprey
Yeah that’s fine except I’d like Op in there
Wasn’t that due to rage economy though
It’s worse now
So you have to use Op
steep osprey
I think OP should generate 4 rage sub 35% and 8 post
Like finishing blows but add in rage before 35%
Too
4 rage
shadow ibex
That's battlelord
I would take soa schism being mended and new talent where FB is tho
getting rage above 35 on OP is just battlelord tho
steep osprey
Yeah but we’re not using
Maybe we would if we had to spam spam because it does damage
random ibex
what mythic+ demolish builds are people playing?
proud remnant
sweeping strikes need to be off the GCD
shadow ibex
or passive
quaint otter
and sd proc should tclap with 300% damage 
rare kite
and sd proc should tclap with 300% damage <a:chatting:1266019851743399996>
honestly remove jugg and add in s3 df tierset
shadow ibex
No every single button needs a stacking dmg boost in the arms kit that is the fantasy
spark glade
is arms ok to play pve casually with friends for mythic
shadow ibex
of course
quaint otter
No every single button needs a stacking dmg boost in the arms kit that is the fa...
overpower extends jugg duration
shadow ibex
spend expac making various trinkets that have effects that only decay out of combat
quaint otter
comming in execute with 15 stacks "pi me daddy"
shadow ibex
HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM
if only we could apply that tech elsewhere
quaint otter
quaint otter
reroll prot dont care
played prot today its fucking good
aside from strange button bugs
that i have on brew when pressing celestial or expell
but on woyer its critical
shadow ibex
i only tank m+ to gear up first few weeks of season
quaint otter
tanking raid is 85% chill time
shadow ibex
my fun began and ended at does spell block work on this sick im practically immortal
other than that snooze fest
random ibex
does anyone know why people trying to get red on mythic silken arent getting the debuff even though they are under the boss
woven wasp
did they walk into the zone at the start of combat and stay there
we had "issues" for a bit but it was caused by people just not playing safely
random ibex
we just watched their pov and they are clearly inside the circle
buyt we are also mind soothing, so they start basically already inside
maybe thats bugging it?
woven wasp
could be
my only advice is dont try anything funny ever, theres no need to
just start combat and walk straight into the circle
no delaying or stepping out and in
random ibex
weird
rare kite
does anyone know why people trying to get red on mythic silken arent getting the...
do you have 1 extra person in red vs blue?
brittle fiber
i'm so sick of this company man
random ibex
do you have 1 extra person in red vs blue?
nope
brittle fiber
frost dk, feral druid and enh shaman complains, new tier set
MM hunters complain about no pets, get a choice to pets
Arms have been begging for an overhaul for many xpacs, they give it for first half of dragonflight then say "what if we just changed it again lol"
tribal kindle
How is mm hunter pet get more attention then arms warrior?
silk spade
like 3 people play this spec
rare kite
don't think we have a dedicated warrior developer
brittle fiber
no blizz post for warrior feedback kek
quaint otter
frost dk, feral druid and enh shaman complains, new tier set
MM hunters complai...
there was a pic where ww sub and feral should become meta after rework but we got ench 
quaint otter
don't think we have a dedicated warrior developer
yeah cuz u have to pay to one
modern big companies usually "optimize" development
icy mulch
don't think we have a dedicated warrior developer
Ha, to think there are actually class dev and not some council of 5-8 ppl.
brittle fiber
i mean for all the issues arms has, at least we aren't DH
i feel for those guys
having to take a parry and threat reduction talent just to go through the tree
quaint otter
and not ww :keepo
brittle fiber
WW getting 2 channeling spells next season is criminal
quaint otter
being caster and having ur casts broken by some bugs
brittle fiber
i dont think either of them are competitive either
rare kite
Ha, to think there are actually class dev and not some council of 5-8 ppl.
those 5-8 people sure do love mage
icy mulch
It's been Shaman and Paladin of late
rare kite
and not ww :keepo
ww might be buggy, but they got giga changes coming into the war within and is getting even better changes next patch
icy mulch
But yeah, the leader must play mage. They never stay shit for long.
rare kite
yea been shaman and paladin tuning wise. attention wise mage is getting changes every single patch
new talents and everything
quaint otter
ww might be buggy, but they got giga changes coming into the war within and is g...
Million changes to not get invited in any key cuz ure bottom tier dps
Looks good
rare kite
real
i would take it tho if arms got really good changes. we could be bottom dps for a while. worth it
quasi torrent
brittle fiber
either people dont know how to play it, or outlaw looks really bad in ptr logs
quasi torrent
either people dont know how to play it, or outlaw looks really bad in ptr logs
shut up and post
brittle fiber
quasi torrent
woven wasp
olive nest
minor gust
dusty dagger
swift crown
rare kite
proud remnant
i wish Champions spear was ancient aftershock. Way better talent from shadowlands
latent moss
halcyon valve
i wish Champions spear was ancient aftershock. Way better talent from shadowland...
What if it was condemn instead
naive sage
those 5-8 people sure do love mage
“Blizzard” not “Bladestorm”
latent moss
What if it was condemn instead
massacre removed or baseline
and replaced with 100-80 condemn part
halcyon valve
call that getting a head start
latent moss
call that getting head
naive sage
Hunters got condemn instead
Rogues got fatality’s good version too
brittle pelican
Paladins also have demolish that doesn’t suck
livid cloak
Are you eu or us?
If you're us wanna do a key later?
I will tank a key for you
@naive sage
wet cloud
i need an opinion please guys, im 625, i have two 613 trinkets that no one ever heard of, why egg sims so low for me? i expected to see more when i saw every arms using it on m+, this is 5min patchwerk.
livid cloak
What level is the sac brood? Link the sim
quaint otter
i need an opinion please guys, im 625, i have two 613 trinkets that no one ever ...
U shouldnt bother about it all just get higher ilvl now
wet cloud
What level is the sac brood? Link the sim
623 or 626 i think
wet cloud
U shouldnt bother about it all just get higher ilvl now
ok
last inlet
build as in?
timber lynx
Rogues got fatality’s good version too
Their version of fatality is even worse than actual fatality
proud remnant
If you have two overpower chargers it should consume both in my opinion
Would help a lot
shadow ibex
What
timber lynx
it does that??
silk spade
trinket from last boss is insane
strange perch
walhe
thick kelp
Pauck
fresh spire
(only beat his damage doing opportunist execute spamming)
shadow ibex
Show damage break
untold trench
olive nest
thick kelp
yo tired
tacit crystal
hi fish
fresh spire
hi
fickle oar
have they removed the animation for execute with sweeping strikes? it's just doing the single one lol
naive sage
have they removed the animation for execute with sweeping strikes? it's just doi...
Yes
fossil thistle
Is fury worth playing this late into 11.0 for M queen?
Sole warrior, haven’t played fury since 7.1/2 realistically.
Did one M+ with poor stats (only 28% mastery) and did 1.7m overall
tacit crystal
if you need add damage in p3 yes
sharp wyvern
Is fury worth playing this late into 11.0 for M queen?
Have you killed it already ?
Cause prog is way easier for fury
fossil thistle
I haven’t
sharp wyvern
Also lots of add DMG in p2 and p3
tacit crystal
you should play fury
fossil thistle
We got court to 9% on Thursday so I’m sure we’ll kill it next week
sharp wyvern
Idk you might want to stick to fury until you see how well you guys are dealing with adds in p3
Oh
fossil thistle
Okay.
I guess just recraft gear and re-gem whatever I can
sharp wyvern
Did you hit enrage ?
fossil thistle
On court?
sharp wyvern
Ansu
fossil thistle
No weren’t not there yet
sharp wyvern
Ah I see
fossil thistle
7;45 9.52% silken court
fossil thistle
Probably 🤣 but I’ve done all the pills as arms so I’ll just stick to that until it’s dead
Fury doesn’t seem too complex as all your CDs basically align with certain points
Webs, adds, etc
(For queen)
fossil thistle
Yea I’m sure I’ll learn as it goes.
What’s that website that shows CD useage across top logs?
sharp wyvern
Lorrgs
fossil thistle
Tyty
fresh spire
Lorrgs insane good website
tacit crystal
Lorrgs insane good website
hi insane good fish
fresh spire
Hi
winter solstice
So Level 76 and this is my Talent Spread
I find its not exactly great for mob packs
Keep as is and just rely on others for AoE?
tacit crystal
you talenting into execute talents will not help you do aoe
boreal quartz
Keep as is and just rely on others for AoE?
i mean if ur doing dungeons
play dungeon talents
not full st raid stuff
winter solstice
I didn't see a Dungeon Talent to copy
tacit crystal
winter solstice
So I guess the Meta would be Hot Swapping Talents?
shadow ibex
Grab cleave and just press it
Just leveling you don't need to min/Max. Take stuff you think is cool
astral yarrow
hot swapping talents?
minor gust
There's cool stuff in the arms tree?
astral yarrow
this isnt a keyboard
astral yarrow
winter solstice
I mean Swap to an AoE Tree during Packs, then Swap to the Single Target Tree during Single Target?
slow saddle
Meh
shadow ibex
You'd probably lose more time doing that since you can't swap if stuff is on CD
slow saddle
Its dungeon, have fun
shadow ibex
So waiting for that + casting the change time. Just grab whatever you feel like pressing
winter solstice
I do like the Bleed build setups
shadow ibex
https://tenor.com/view/why-are-you-booing-me-im-right-gif-15730496
Doesn't mean you have to say it
silk spade
So I guess the Meta would be Hot Swapping Talents?
use aoe talents for dungeons and st talents for raid
minor gust
alright alright alright ill throw a bone
unhinged and AM are cool talents
rest are dog poo
shadow ibex
Buff bs nerf unhinge
uncut shard
I mean Swap to an AoE Tree during Packs, then Swap to the Single Target Tree dur...
You cannot do that because in the later content you cannot swap talents
In dungeons during leveling it really does not matter
just pick whatever you like
vast helm
Give Warlord's Torment back on warbreaker.
halcyon valve
Add more gambling
proud remnant
Yeah buff bladestorm dmg for sure!
Such a weak node in that tree also. 5% str buff after it kills something? Trash
vast helm
The strongest talent is only given to the avatar for 6 seconds at the bottom?
random ibex
😦 guilds asking us to run healing gems in ring for silken
shadow ibex
Only time you take dmg is doing stuff when everyone has a poison dot
I mean prog is prog but can probably assign raid cds and be ok
random ibex
tall sedge
Optimised
random ibex
tall sedge
Thank You
fresh spire
😦 guilds asking us to run healing gems in ring for silken
didnt they hot fix it
so they heal way less for dps/tanks
random ibex
yup
fresh spire
🍣
random ibex
they wanted to "test"
fresh spire
better all running the die your friend does more dps ones on prog
fresh spire
only quam with it is having the whole raid lose dps to gain healing when realistically you should be able to 4 heal it comfy as long as people arent making mistakes means you might end up having to deal with more mechanics at the end that can get very messy
random ibex
i mean, were wiping to insta death mechanics
but we need more healing to make it easier
brittle fiber
Played arms in ptr raid last night, damage feels decent but god i hate slayer
sharp wyvern
Played arms in ptr raid last night, damage feels decent but god i hate slayer
be glad you didnt play collossus then 
dim basalt
Colossus is lit tho
brittle fiber
be glad you didnt play collossus then <:critcake:984549832511344640>
I did colossal for first boss, it’s a bit closer to slayer for dps but slayer still strong
I had one boss fight where my sudden death rng was tweaking so i was at max jugg stacks 2 minutes into the fight
sharp wyvern
imagine if our 4 piece wasnt useless
sharp wyvern
every time i got that buff my OP reset 2 charges immediatly
so i couldnt even see how fast that recharge was
shadow ibex
u know when ur using a 40 rage ability that has like 80% chance to reset OP
surely OP CD being faster is useful then
surely
teal fossil
It’s not because of non execute
But yeah
It’s pretty bad
I think fury has a worse 4p tuning wise?
Not sure
brittle fiber
Time to main brewmaster monk next season :^)
rare kite
I think fury has a worse 4p tuning wise?
as in next season? i think the fury tier tuning wise is okay
teal fossil
Yeah next season
Yeah you may be right
I don’t think arms tier is tuned low outside of execute
In execute it isn’t sweet though
rare kite
iirc archi said 2p+4p for arms next season is 4-5%
most of which probably is outside of execute
brittle fiber
It’s aight we’ll surely get something in the new build
smoky kayak
iirc archi said 2p+4p for arms next season is 4-5%
that's on the high end, right now I think it's more like 3-4% 
meanwhile Devoker is like 28% or something silly?
fickle oar
does anyone know the spell ID for the deep wounds bleed for plater tracking? I've literally tried every ID i can find off wowhead and none of them work
charred brook
When was the last time arms had a great tier set bonus, dragonflight fated when we got DF season 1 again?
So technically, def season 1
shadow ibex
the 2pcs were great
s1 and s2 were both crit chance/dam
s2 was only on targets with DW i think which was just them tryin to be technically different than s1
rare kite
When was the last time arms had a great tier set bonus, dragonflight fated when ...
yuh s1 dragonflight was very strong. s2 arms was okay but nothing special tuning wise
charred brook
I remember playing fury in season 2 anyways
teal fossil
When was the last time arms had a great tier set bonus, dragonflight fated when ...
S3 set for arms was very good
Only reason people voted for s1 is the tuning
rare kite
was s3 arms tierset still undertuned after it got buffed midway through the season? set was very satisfying either way
charred brook
I miss that version of arms lowkey
Idk if I’m crazy, but arms right now just seems so rng
Like one pull you get hella procs, the next you get none
shadow ibex
my biggest beef with whole spec atm is probably jugg
tacit crystal
you dont get to do damage
if you dont go into execute with 9 jugg stacks
and cds at 15
shadow ibex
yea ngl
to me its just as bad as if fatal could crit
i put jugg stacks in the same bag as that
charred brook
It’s really annoying when I look at a log
And the difference between a 90 and a 99
Is like procs maintaining jugg
Like “oh you didn’t get a proc, rip that jugg you worked on keeping up for the last 3 mins!”
The worst part too is you’re just completely fucked if you have to do mechanics on certain fights
If you don’t time it insanely well
If you get massacre on nexus princess
shadow ibex
🤷♂️
charred brook
You have to get one final execute before you go out, charge back in after and hit an execute, then run out again
shadow ibex
thats arms baby
tacit crystal
You have to get one final execute before you go out, charge back in after and hi...
yeah
thats why i got a 25
charred brook
Which like, I can deal with that but like
tacit crystal
i didnt go back in to execute
tacit crystal
i was half a global early on my last execute
charred brook
Anything that requires constant uptime but also relies on an rng proc is dogshit
Change my mind
rare kite
remove juggernaut
shadow ibex
wanna know the funny thing
rare kite
i don't even know what they could add in its place. opportunity strikes?
shadow ibex
blizzards solution
would be to just not have SD casts give jugg stacks
thats exactly what they would do
charred brook
That’s exactly what I was just thinking lmao
shadow ibex
and i guess i'd prefer that tbh
charred brook
What if jugg stacked off ms instead
shadow ibex
its the most inelegent blunt force solution instead of removing a talent no one likes
but its quick and fast ig
charred brook
Not rng if you get an MS off
rare kite
What if jugg stacked off ms instead
would be EB reset rng instead. it would be better, but not alot better
charred brook
Nah cause ms comes off cd every 3 gcd anyways
charred brook
So atleast it won’t drop off
charred brook
I know I’m saying atleast you could easily keep jugg stacked if it went off MS
You could stack it quicker yes with procs
But like MS will always be available and off cd so it’s not rng to keep it stacked
rare kite
true
brittle fiber
Make mortal strike give juggernaut stacks too
charred brook
Now then it’s still not perfect, one warrior could get crazy eb procs and stack it early on in the fight
brittle fiber
Practical solution that allows a strong execute phase without proportionally buffing anything
charred brook
But still better than what we have now
brittle fiber
never thought id see a world where feral outperforms arms warrior on single target
shadow ibex
df s3?
brittle fiber
never thought id see a world where feral outperforms arms warrior on single target in a season i played
shadow ibex
fury ate like 19 shots to the head
brittle fiber
i was very reluctant on gearing my druid because i thought it's never gonna get its time again but honestly convinced to now
magic canopy
boomkin always somehow ends up good in M+ as well
brittle fiber
stupid birds.
teal fossil
I know I’m saying atleast you could easily keep jugg stacked if it went off MS
Then what’s the point of jugg
You have 100% jugg uptime about 1/4th of the way into the fight
The only difference is who gets stronger sd early on
You may as well just buff baseline execute at that point
naive sage
Where is dh? Lmao
brittle fiber
Where is dh? Lmao
just under fury
boreal quartz
never thought id see a world where feral outperforms arms warrior on single targ...
Xdd this happened like a bunch since sl
Feral owns in st
brittle fiber
Where is dh? Lmao
i think if mug zee is 2 target council then havoc's doing better cleave than warrior but that's about it
naive sage
Do you have a link for this data?
brittle fiber
Do you have a link for this data?
need to make a copy if you want to see kill logs only
naive sage
need to make a copy if you want to see kill logs only
Ty
cloud dawn
Why am i seeing a lot of arms warriors stacking mast? I always thought it was crit > hast > mast
Or has it changed these days
tacit crystal
you like mastery a lot more as colo
cloud dawn
you like mastery a lot more as colo
Really? Whys that?
thick kelp
also fury andies playing arms
tacit crystal
^
swift crown
i think if mug zee is 2 target council then havoc's doing better cleave than war...
Mugzee is is one boss
cloud dawn
also fury andies playing arms
yeah this is what i thought originally
whenever i saw bajheera doing arms pvp he would have like 40% mast assumed he was a fury main
remote ledge
Hi, are there any key where you prefer arms over fury? In other words where arms would actually be better
Ty
tacit crystal
Hi, are there any key where you prefer arms over fury? In other words where arms...
mists
tacit crystal
you are better on oulls after 2nd boss
nah without a doubt arms is better for damage on mists
slow saddle
Might be, in my 10s its pretty close, mby in 12s its arms dno
remote ledge
Well ofc I'm talking 12+ lol
slow saddle
Why is that ofc?
Ofc would be 10, the exeption is 12s
Anyways, collosus arms in gen is pretty good//better aoe potential than fury
If u pull bigger
Dies a lot easier
remote ledge
mists
This is the one I kept seeing, could siege and dawnbreaker work also? Idk cd's feel weird as fury in these
slow saddle
I mean, try it
remote ledge
I mean you have no clue so might aswell not answer
slow saddle
Kindda hard to say as all this depends on speed of the grp
tacit crystal
This is the one I kept seeing, could siege and dawnbreaker work also? Idk cd's f...
i think the next best would be dawn
idk about the rest
slow saddle
Nw does have arms friendly pulls
tacit crystal
living because a bigger problem on those keys
naive sage
I mean you have no clue so might aswell not answer
You could try not to be rude without reason btw
boreal quartz
Hi, are there any key where you prefer arms over fury? In other words where arms...
Spider keys
hazy flower
remote ledge
Thanks guys
quartz girder
Been having fun and doin ok with slayer in keys tonight
naive sage
Been having fun and doin ok with slayer in keys tonight
Same
I love to gamble for reap the storm procs
random ibex
If i were to make a WA that tracks the opportunist buff on OP, would tracking the spell activation overlay glow do the same thing?
random ibex
is there a way to integrate that into a icon that just tracks the CD?
naive sage
Warrior arm 💪
dim basalt
arm hero
quasi torrent
https://wago.io/Q5KkvQ0m2
arm vs leg
livid cloak
Hi, are there any key where you prefer arms over fury? In other words where arms...
Necrotic wake, stone vault, mists, Ara Kara.
remote ledge
Thanks for your answer sean
eager sigil
np
sour onyx
@smoky kayak hey arch, sorry for pinning you but i just read your post in the updates channel and wanted to ask, do you think the arms tier can be buffed/fixed somehow to be useful, or it should just get a rework looking at how other tiers are so busted to be competitive? thanks in advance
smoky kayak
of course it can, whether or not it will be is a completely different question though
steep osprey
I don't know if they know so many people want arms to be fixed
Arms needs something like what they did for Ele last patch or MM this patch
Feelsl ike they don't know what to do about it
sour onyx
I just want to play warrior but im a semi-hardcore player and if the spec looks so bad right now im not sure if i should invest in it at the start of the patch hoping that it will get fixed
sharp wyvern
Arms needs something like what they did for Ele last patch or MM this patch
i have a feeling that they think arms/ warrior is in a good spot already
remote ledge
A few specs are way too good, but it's not in a terrible spot no
quaint otter
teal fossil
I just want to play warrior but im a semi-hardcore player and if the spec looks ...
what kind of key level are you doing
If you aren’t doing cutting edge keys warrior is fine
thick kelp
I don't know if they know so many people want arms to be fixed
I dont think they care
arms has 1/11th of the player population compared to ret in mythic raid
sour onyx
what kind of key level are you doing
keys not so much, im more raid focused
teal fossil
keys not so much, im more raid focused
then arms is just fine
tacit crystal
@edgy solstice ty for putting this on my tl
opal flax
bladestorm is my fav spell on war. does fury or arms have more of a bladestorm centric playstyle
tacit crystal
fury bs feels better to press
teal fossil
slayer runs bladestorm
arctic iris
bladestorm is my fav spell on war. does fury or arms have more of a bladestorm c...
Both of them run it in their Slayer builds, neither runs it in non-slayer builds
tacit crystal
yeah with 0 damage
gaunt owl
its illegally slow
livid cloak
Can move your laundry during bladestorm
fresh spire
Well if he loves bladestorm
..
slow saddle
Hear me out spear every 45 sec
slow saddle
- reck back on wb
fresh spire
slow saddle
So we wb +spear + demo
slow saddle
AA replaces spear
I mean this.... i would cry
Coz of happiness
Roar is very good but doesnt feel that good to press
AA makes mobs fallover and is a big line
Sl had loads of issues in the beginning. But late sl, if weve had more content wouldda been great
teal fossil
Roar is very good but doesnt feel that good to press
Yeah you hear some weird sound and mobs start bleeding
quaint otter
Avatar is bad vs wings
better than nothing. We had reck and it was ok
slow saddle
Reck was good coz u felt it
edgy solstice
<@108436689361326080> ty for putting this on my tl
tacit crystal
<:okayge:917646812519739433>
latent moss
AA replaces spear
aa replaces spear and 9.1 arms replaces current arms
would go so hard
latent moss
my beloved
dreamweaver my beloved
self pi on cast
just remove the circle requirement and its goated
quaint otter
fresh spire
id love to see how banner would play out on live
teal fossil
aug2.0
quaint otter
wb increases all damage taken
rare kite
this good for slayer court?
just copy the top ones
shadow ibex
Banner would be dope
Just make it an effect that scales off what the warrior does so u don't have to use it for others
minor gust
I wouldnt mind banner back but I rather have a new cook
rare kite
real
olive nest
during execute do i only cast MS when i have 2 tier set stacks and also 2 EP
and if so do i just rotate Exe/OP/maintain rend until i proc tierset
lucid apex
What if avatar gave arms the ability to use execute in CDs? Maybe it could be extended to a certain point based upon rage spent during the window?
This could give us some burst windows outside of execute range.
I'm no class designer, just putting my cook out there.
eager sigil
yes make another class only burst damage
quaint otter
lucid apex
Do people want a totally flat profile until execute range then?
quaint otter
I want to do my mortal strike and execute with bigger damage
eager sigil
Do people want a totally flat profile until execute range then?
whats wrong with it?
lucid apex
whats wrong with it?
I just thought people were not happy with the current damage profile but I may be wrong.
eager sigil
people are unhappy about everything but mostly because they dont get invited to keys
lucid apex
people are unhappy about everything but mostly because they dont get invited to ...
Lol that is true
eager sigil
late season class discord chat
lucid apex
I don't think changing gameplay is going to change our ability to get into keys.
We need to do big damage, bring tons of utility, and be able to live the hardest hitting abilities.
Arms struggles on a few of those parts.
minor gust
I just thought people were not happy with the current damage profile but I may b...
arms needs a vision reset. No one knows what arms is supposed to be or play like anymore weve just had this same bland gameplay since bfa
Arms needs what MM just got for the devs to go and look at the spec and be like what is an arms warrior
tacit crystal
late season class discord chat <:bedge:882323848844963860>
quasi torrent
Arms needs what MM just got for the devs to go and look at the spec and be like ...
bro its SLOW
METHODICAL
BIG
HITS
clearly
!!!!
rare kite
I don't think changing gameplay is going to change our ability to get into keys....
just need to do top damage and live to be meta in keys. utility is overrated
minor gust
bro its SLOW
METHODICAL
BIG
HITS
lucid apex
What if we had execute be an empowered ability that did more damage the more you were able to charge it. Make the button feel chunky and give you the sense of waiting for the best moment to strike .
Or maybe thats what slayer talent tree turns into for arms.
Now I'm just rambling
proud remnant
What if we had execute be an empowered ability that did more damage the more you...
This would solve so many issues. Get rid of Jugg and replace with this.
eager sigil
that sounds horrible
hexed saddle
feel like u just nuke jugg and put the power back into EP
minor gust
^
quasi torrent
feel like u just nuke jugg and put the power back into EP
but bro.... that one video... it was os good!!!!!
i wish i could feel dopamine like this once every 4 xpacs!!!
hexed saddle
yes true !!
minor gust
Arms once again dying for furys sins
quasi torrent
crazy to me how that video ruined arms from SL all the way to today
hexed saddle
lets not talk about how warrior as a whole has been paying for arms sins since tomb
dim basalt
Played some arms on ptr today and without our current set the spec feels so empty
quasi torrent
perma sweep ravager funny
dim basalt
And MS still feels dog
lucid apex
What made arms so good from legion?
minor gust
old tactician feedback loop
quasi torrent
pre tomb arms wasnt even that good
ill be honest
in EN you needed gloves or ring or you felt like dogshit
and then it was just casino press button fast
rare kite
EP introduction to legion arms made it great
rare kite
What made arms so good from legion?
tactician resetting colossus smash. colossus smash making your next ms/exe do more damage and have more crit chance. you could have some insane rng that made it very satisfying. like cs>ms>cs>exe>cs>exe>cs>ms
dim basalt
Current set is ok imo
vestal oracle
in EN you needed gloves or ring or you felt like dogshit
all of that just reads like someone that either never got gloves or got them late
dim basalt
Makes it somewhat playable
rare kite
very simple and fun proc based spec. even slam didn't feel bad because it would gain you cs resets. now slam just gain you overpower, and overpower isn't very satisfying.
quasi torrent
all of that just reads like someone that either never got gloves or got them lat...
id take off those rose-tinted glasses
but if you like to think this way, thats okay
eager sigil
all of that just reads like someone that either never got gloves or got them lat...
yea you only got 4 legendarys or so
you could just not get them
vestal oracle
I got ring and gloves as my first two
quasi torrent
it was gone way way before ayalas and gloves got nerfed
vestal oracle
and in that window it was amazing
shadow ibex
Jugg has to be deleted
Or SD no longer gives above 35 most dumb inelegant solution but still solution
zenith warren
does bitter immunity have some value on queen or just 20% heal?
rare kite
just 20% heal
quasi torrent
which is still good
having another button to top yourself before shackles in last phase, after getting knocked in p2 with debuff
is just
nice
quasi torrent
a classic
zenith warren
in your groups, do you guys stack for blades or just ffa?
eager sigil
as best you can yea
sacred zodiac
having another button to top yourself before shackles in last phase, after getti...
not dying is woke
sacred zodiac
wtf?
shadow ibex
go birds
tacit crystal
fishy
fresh pier
arms is getting a completely dogshit tierset
fuck
rare kite
depending on when you last played it mostly plays the same(since bfa)
rare kite
rare kite
well, in df season 2 initially we were getting a dogshit tierset as well. hopefully it changes
sly elk
I’ve seen some people testing arms on ptr and they were saying it’s not complete garbage ? Is the cope or this chat just very doomer about it ? Getting mixed signals
brittle fiber
damage wise it's not as competitive as it was for season 1
the tier set is barely noticeable as expected especially since you're going to play around opportunist more than the tier set itself (at least in slayer) and there are a few fights where you'll just lose juggernaut stacks due to intermission or forced mechanic on top of the rng of sudden death
rare kite
I’ve seen some people testing arms on ptr and they were saying it’s not complete...
Damage wise it is not too bad. New tierset is really bad and the playstyle is the same as always
sly elk
Ah, well hope they fix it …
lean geode
surely they will
minor gust
I’ve seen some people testing arms on ptr and they were saying it’s not complete...
Doom in here aint ever about the numbers its about how it plays. Tuning is tuning not much to say about that
shadow ibex
i hate current tier so honestly
more of a sidegrade
dont have bullshit exe rotation fishing for OP resets
minor gust
tier set lost me at giving cdr to an ability that frequently resets
shadow ibex
Replaces the occasional slam but spoiler better to just rend anyway cuz sks shit
Its dumb yea b
But I guess I still prefer nearly useless in exe to stacking x2 4pc
That's a pretty low bar but what can u do
dim basalt
But I guess I still prefer nearly useless in exe to stacking x2 4pc
The latter feels much better imo
Because MS still hits like a wet noodle
At least felt that way in playtesting
slow saddle
Well keep complaining! We will get the ret treatment!
Faith
Imagine we arent asking for rework... we just want to be like we were
dim basalt
I mean Im kinda biased since I was testing normal raid and ilvl gets scaled down a ton
I was pumping like only 850k dps cuz scaling put the ilvl down to like 610 or so
Other dps did slightly more, our destro did a fuck ton more but apparently destro is busted right now
He did like 1.3M lmao
Just hoping the performance gets a bit better though
FPS took a good hit frequently
brittle fiber
Other dps did slightly more, our destro did a fuck ton more but apparently destr...
For me, my WW monk was doing 600k more dps on aoe, and up to 300k more in single target
Boomy and destro shredded most AoE fights followed by spriest
brittle fiber
Monk back to spinning crane kick over black out kick
dim basalt
I did roughly the same dps as fury as arms
But I have no idea how to play fury
So theres that
brittle fiber
Juggernaut feels even worse with forced intermission on 2 of the fights
dim basalt
Kinda felt a bit dog cuz fury is the only spec that doesnt use anger management
Yeah this raid is just completely poop for arms
2nd 4th and 5th are just not playable
Tho 5th is prob the best out of them
brittle fiber
I was meant to reroll back to warrior for the raid next season but in its current state im tempted to go back to monk
dim basalt
Theres also a good amount of low hp adds that probably need to get killed quickly
One more reason to pick up Fury
¯_(ツ)_/¯
But I enjoyed the fights
They definitely cooked well
dim basalt
I was meant to reroll back to warrior for the raid next season but in its curren...
Yeah stay monk Id say lmao
brittle fiber
It’s alright, archi will get hired before next season starts and code all the good things
quaint otter
Monk back to spinning crane kick over black out kick <:clueless:1099922541923024...
S3 was peak when u pressed both during crrenity
pearl nymph
remeber when monk took the spot for all warrrior dps, lovly we gonna be dog next tier
shadow ibex
The latter feels much better imo
There's no way
Mashing exe with free casts from slayer fishing for 4pc feels good
I've had pulls where 4pc expired
dim basalt
Thats rare tho
shadow ibex
It happens tho
dim basalt
Arms just feels so empty without current 4p
Not as bad pre-execute, but during execute its lackluster
shadow ibex
The fact it's even a possibility to me that makes current 4pc like the worst ever in game
slow saddle
4p should buff executies
fresh spire
Make execute enable at any %
icy mulch
Make execute enable at any % <a:pogox:1326809946997919805>
And Fury would still rarely ever touch it in keys.
icy mulch
Wait, did they change the S2 tier?
thick kelp
no
gusty nymph
is there a topic on US forums about arms state on the PTR? i see a loot of stuff on fury but we seem pretty invisible...
thick kelp
There seems to be 3 posts with combined comments of 35
gaunt owl
TLDR Blizzard dont care about warrior
regardless of the spec
they shot Fury in the knee for having the best CD alignment of all time for 1 tier
while having the shittiest ST as well
quaint otter
thick kelp
timber lynx
olive nest
silk spade
they shot Fury in the knee for having the best CD alignment of all time for 1 ti...
real
fresh spire
Fury not allowed to be good
But 2 shaman specs and 3 rogue specs are all allowed to be top specs
👍
quaint otter
Based
olive nest
goofy question but are you able to proc the tier set if youre sitting at 2 OP charges available?
I ask becuase im wondering if its still correct to only OP if under 80 rage
that would allow you sit at 2 charges and no tier set proc some times
woven wasp
goofy question but are you able to proc the tier set if youre sitting at 2 OP ch...
I believe so
olive nest
alright good to know
so i can just sstraight up follow the prio in WB
and should be chillin
havent really focused arms until now this expact so im trying to pick up on the nuances
gaunt owl
push MS on CD pretty much
only Execute is a bit silly
even then its not that important
olive nest
yeah im still trying to break the exe exe op ms
habbit
xD
sitting on ms waiting for LB proc is so goofy
so you basically exe until below 80 rage then op until above 80 rage and then finally MS if the lethal blows procs
am i understanding that correctly?
gaunt owl
last time i checked it was that yep
olive nest
awesome thanks! ❤️
olive nest
in fishy we trust
I lack enough brain power to figure out high skill cap tech
i zug
quaint otter
^
olive nest
yee thats the goal!
quaint otter
99% is the starting point 💪
olive nest
fresh spire
Tier can still proc while your sat at 2 stacks of op.
I've noticed recently aswell thay the lethal blows weakaura going around sometimes lags aswell. It shows 1 stack on tootlip while active character buffs shows two. Very weird
shadow ibex
Can't wait to be rid of this shit
shadow ibex
Can't wait to wear next tier 2pc only for few days
MS dmg boost randomly removed by OP
thick kelp
: D
shadow ibex
rare kite
can't wait for my 20s tier to be overwritten with a 2s
thick kelp
Happens once per pull on average
But u can also dopamine 100% uptime winning streak in execute
rare kite
do we not just become very depressed when losing winning streak in execute? i didn't really track tier when i tested
thick kelp
U dont really benefit from hedged bets at all in execute
since from my playtesting and simming u will always have an OP to press regardless of hedged bets or not
so best case scenario is 100% streak uptime once execute
rare kite
idk the name of the tier effects. but i assume hedged bets is the 4p?
thick kelp
Yeah the OP recharge rate + damage
rare kite
like do we just avoid pressing overpower as much as possible in execute in fear of losing the stacks?
thick kelp
no
you just follow
exe exe op ms exe exe op
Most likely gonna be worth it to triple execute if you get a SD
or have very high rage
rare kite
maan i really hope they change our tier
fresh spire
hopefully 🙂
thick kelp
fresh spire
lean geode
Surely they're in the kitchen cooking up better tier and talent changes right
gaunt owl
Surely they're in the kitchen cooking up better tier and talent changes right <:...
they cant go in the kitchen anymore
or people gonna yoink the breast milk
lean geode
Unfortunately real
night hedge
Well, tried a key in arms after maining prot/fury whole season and gearing up protpala/ret last few weeks. It was brutal, how tf can those two classes/specs coexist ? Judging by those last few posts, guess all hope is gone ?
Also, wtb range extender. WTF does a spec named arms has t-rex arms ? :p
eager sigil
Well, tried a key in arms after maining prot/fury whole season and gearing up pr...
arms and fury are about equal
fury is just a bit simpler
night hedge
Fury has atleast a bit of flow/feeling to it
tacit crystal
arms has that?
night hedge
Eh, maybe my brain/binds aren't back there yet, will try to give it more time, but it felt very lacking compared to fury/ret
slow saddle
Did u play collosus?
river ridge
Eh, maybe my brain/binds aren't back there yet, will try to give it more time, b...
It's certainly not those specs. Arms has a specific flow that requires some planning versus Fury's just use CDs & Keep Meat Cleaver spinning, or Ret's just press Divine Storm and keep judgment rolling.
It's not a spec for everyone and it can struggle when you don't know routes or if your tank is antsy.
But it is super satisfying once you learn how to utilize in the spec.
quaint otter
smash cleave
river ridge
Honestly past the setup it is just keep spamming Overpower and Cleave on multi targets (4 or more) xD
tacit crystal
mah
minor gust
Surely they're in the kitchen cooking up better tier and talent changes right <:...
expect nothing from blizzard so the pain hurts less
delicate mulch
Hey guys, super new to warrior. Have kinda a dumb question but I didn't really see it mentioned anywhere. In the rotation I see we work Mortal Strike around Executioners Precision and Lethal Blow stacks. As far as the normal Overpower buff goes, do we not really play around it at all? Just kinda ignore it and let it passively buff MS?
minor gust
you can basically ignore the overpower buff
hollow plover
Someone teach me arms ST fight basics pls pls, havent played it since 2019.
When do you bladestorm outside of opener? Do you force overlap colossus smash into bladestorm every time? Is execute phase just execute spam or do you also use mortal strike/overpower?
Is rend worth keeping up in execute phase?
delicate mulch
Thank you!
minor gust
roar do more dmg and yes bleeds
hollow plover
wait guys im checking sim rotations
is this spec seriously so dogshit
that colossus smash and bladestorm dont line up?
and you dont skullsplitter during roar even though it very clearly was intended to be used with roar??
😭
rare kite
is this spec seriously so dogshit
welcome to arms
hollow plover
playing arms feels like im throwing around a wet noodle because some priority list said so, nothing feels like it has impact
minor gust
🙂
dire hinge
and you dont skullsplitter during roar even though it very clearly was intended ...
every other Skullsplitter lines up with Roar (roughly), there's some gaps, but in practice those two CDs don't feel overly desynced
but yeah, many CDs dont naturally line up with each other, so you cast them as you get them-- unless there's major damage amps in the very near future
hollow plover
brother ew
brittle fiber
is there a blue post for warriors yet
rare kite
is there a blue post for warriors yet
a what?
dire hinge
is there a blue post for warriors yet
any major updates to warrior will be posted in the #updates-midnight channel 👍
brittle fiber
any major updates to warrior will be posted in the <#1234949058121171069> channe...
if
dire hinge
whether it's tomorrow or two months from now, just follow that channel ¯_(ツ)_/¯
brittle fiber
Patch 11.1 PTR
- Arms Warrior Removed from game because we can't be fucked making it fun again.
rare kite
__Patch 11.1 PTR__
- Arms Warrior Removed from game because we can't be fucked m...
We take those. New spec(not a support)
lean geode
Glad stance 👀
(I didn't play in wod or bfa or whenever it was that glad stance existed, just shitposting)
brittle fiber
We take those. New spec(not a support)
Arms Warrior
Hey warriors. We initially said we felt warrior is in a good spot, but realised this mindset was not met with the community. We hear you, and have made some changes that cater to making Arm’s return to being the king of execute phases.
- Sudden Death talent removed
- Juggernaut stack limit now increased to 99, but increases damage by 1% (was 3%).
Dev note: we hear that the probability factor of Arms makes it an extremely unsatisfying experience and have decided to eliminate it completely regarding the execute phase.
latent moss
__Patch 11.1 PTR__
- Arms Warrior Removed from game because we can't be fucked m...
its very hard (it isnt just bring back legion)
quick acorn
Hello guys, If I understsnd It right, on The wowhead arms Guide with The M+ build:
In execute phase we use MS with X2 EP + X2 LB but during ravager we ignore MS? Or we ignore The buffs needed
In ST
quick acorn
So I just execute there
Tyty 💙
And without ravager both ep and lb are needed to use MS right? Not enough with one of them
brittle fiber
why do builds tell us to go honed reflexes when it's a 1 second CD for 4 of the spells it affects
thick kelp
U can skip it, its a flex point
brittle fiber
U can skip it, its a flex point
i feel there's so many eh talents in all class trees the warrior talent tree
thick kelp
U arent alone
quasi torrent
i feel there's so many eh talents in ~~all class trees~~ the warrior talent tree
kinda bound to happen with this kind of classtree
every class has "boring" x% to y ability things
swift crown
If you think agressively medium talent trees are a Warrior exclusive problem you're just objectively wrong
fresh spire
Medium talent trees that haven't been really adjusted since beginning of dragonflight are
swift crown
Class tree is still medium dogass
fresh spire
The ra change ia the biggest change we have had in warrior in almost 2 whole expansions
Not even capping
quaint otter
True
fresh spire
Surely monster changes this week
At the same time martial prowess nerf is the first change arms has had pushing it into he correct direction for ridding it of its 40 damage modifiers
brittle fiber
does sudden death's "deal damage as if you've spent 40 rage" also contribute to AM?
weak rain
At the same time martial prowess nerf is the first change arms has had pushing i...
next step should be 1000% bleed baseline buff
weak rain
does sudden death's "deal damage as if you've spent 40 rage" also contribute to ...
No, but I think it should, it makes sense, right? Also for ToM