but fury felt better too, so i stayed
#arms
calm hollow
thick kelp
yeah
u can get like
crit mastery pieces with dawnthread
and u shld be good to go
princess belt too if u have
remote ledge
If you play colo, isn't mastery pretty much very very good anyway?
thick kelp
shld be easy to get
thick kelp
If you play colo, isn't mastery pretty much very very good anyway?
its good good but u sitll want haste to a certain point
but sikran neck + rashanan cloak + arakara give u a good bunch
calm hollow
princess belt too if u have
will need on it, if it drops today
but i really hope finally a mythic transmitter drops
remote ledge
Has anyone tried both fury and arms specs on the ptr? To see how things feel / have changed a bit more in details than update channel? Thanks
thick kelp
arms feels ass cuz new 4p + fatality buffs makes us drop both deft points in St
so you are entirely relying on rng for fluidity due to 4p
remote ledge
I dont see any fatality buff on the channel or bluepost, am I missing something?
remote ledge
And I guess for slayers they force players to play SD, but they don't compensate for it in aoe?
thick kelp
Not yet atleast
remote ledge
Feels like going backwards
thick kelp
well slayer working without Sd talented was never implemented but it took them an entire patch to implement it
xd
astral yarrow
I love arms
fresh spire
quaint otter
I love arms
🫶
minor gust
brittle fiber
windwalker dps is always so surprising
quaint otter
whats with it?
brittle fiber
i have no fucking clue, played it the whole season too lol
quaint otter
my current ww log but havent play it a while
brittle fiber
has good single target but not competitive, has burst aoe but not burst enough compared to shaman and warriors, but then rips up a storm in council fights but also out dps'd by many others
quaint otter
might be better if i run this week with that 14% buff
brittle fiber
id argue it's a well balanced class but the input to output ratio for ww isn't justified imo
quaint otter
ww has no burst and 5 target cap therefore shit m+ spec
brittle fiber
dance of chi ji is pretty strong
quaint otter
dance of chi ji is pretty strong
i have fists doing more damage per 15th key than sck not funny bro
quaint otter
brittle fiber
i hate fists and the new aoe ability they added in ptr
brittle fiber
i feel like any frontal aoe should not have such a restrictive aoe cap
quaint otter
i cant compete rogue/dk at all only to pray for 5 shadowstrikes proc in a row ffs?
well
arms has 5 target softcap too
but at least cleave deals some damage
brittle fiber
it's aight back to warrior next season, they will totally not leave arms in the dirt right......
quaint otter
))))))))
vapid pine
expand aoe cap on abilities to 8 at least
I love how you're capped to 5 targets, but still lose to half the specs in the game on 5 targets
quaint otter
brittle fiber
i'll roll to arms on st because it's fun :chatting:
quaint otter
I love how you're capped to 5 targets, but still lose to half the specs in the g...
At least i do 1.5kk st bosses must die 
dim basalt
Nothing is more satisfying to send bs onto the adds
tacit crystal
why would you ever press it on the adds
dim basalt
numbers
quaint otter
why would you ever press it on the adds
it lined only once
dim basalt
But you hit the boss too anyway
quaint otter
adds didnt live at all
tacit crystal
it legit only lines once istg
quaint otter
got pi on execute tho 
dim basalt
Think it can only line twice
quaint otter
opener was like 3kk sustained
tacit crystal
got pi on execute tho <a:chatting:1266019851743399996>
how much did you pay
dim basalt
P2 and P4
quaint otter
how much did you pay
2kk dps on details 😎
tacit crystal
XD
midnight mural
Any way i can sim a custom amount of mainstat/secondary stat distribution from ovinaxx egg? i will in no fight ever manage to have a steady 10/20 or 20/10 spread on that thing, it will fluctuate alot
also missing 1 stack.. should have 31 stacks instead of 30 :p
boreal quartz
@teal fossil
thick kelp
Any way i can sim a custom amount of mainstat/secondary stat distribution from o...
thewarwithin.ovinaxs_mercurial_egg_initial_primary_stacks= 0-30 (default 20)
thewarwithin.ovinaxs_mercurial_egg_desired_primary_stacks= 0-30 (default 20)
here is overrides
first is how many primary stacks you start with, second is how many primary stacks you maintain the buff at
in sims it plays 20 primary stat 10 2ndary
thick kelp
header
thick kelp
send me ur simc
midnight mural
send me ur simc
✅
thick kelp
U should just do advanced sim
yeah did that
naive sage
I read that fatality got some kind of buff, can you explain to me pls?
eager sigil
it does more dam
rare kite
I read that fatality got some kind of buff, can you explain to me pls?
affected by mastery,cs and avatar. mastery change good, cs and avatar very cringe
weak rain
play all mortal resets talents, hold everything for 30% pop
also make it be able to crit KEKW
halcyon valve
But more ms makes it more reliable getting to that cap
naive sage
Can’t wait to have a lot of fun seeing it hitting like a regular enha shaman elemental blast
thick kelp
to execute
marble steppe
battlelords yeah
thick kelp
with blord you MS at 2EP
thick kelp
no ep
marble steppe
on my M+ spec
thick kelp
if no ep then its prio after MS and both op charges
thick kelp
ms
marble steppe
and if after 1 OP MS comes off cooldown?
do i buff it to 2 or just send MS with 1 OP buff?
shadow ibex
Execute at any health % waiting room
soft viper
arterial bleed ever get selected?
old urchin
arterial bleed ever get selected?
I don’t think so since they buffed cleave damage mid season.
shadow ibex
Only in ST if you ever play col in raid
naive sage
Execute at any health % waiting room
Execute but it deals targets remaining health (it works at 100%health) 
sage badge
olive nest
gaunt owl
devout pewter
marble steppe
does cleave follow the same rule as for MS in M+ spec?
marble steppe
roger roger
and after sweeping strikes i should wait for a 2 stack OP buff for cleave right?
for the big hitter
marble steppe
ok so if it shines i click it
icy mulch
Well, depends how degenate you wanna play. I've tested some target dummies and found holding cool downs a bit so they all line up for collateral is more damage. It's just super toxic playstyle.
And in keys it will be super hard to be effective cause you're gonna be waiting on the tank.
robust coyote
more bonk, less think
minor gust
^
livid cloak
for the big hitter
Its better to know the big cleave is coming and prep accordingly by having your last couple hits of ss be overpowers
Or if you have like a gcd or two left in sweeping, used op twice already, fill with slam or t clap for a gcd then send the big cleave bonk
olive nest
minor gust
lean geode
Any arms knowers that can tell me how many MS proc from unhinged without ImmDem (so using Rav as colossus, really)
Is it 2 or 3
woven wasp
2
lean geode
ty greg
woven wasp
(2.5)
woven wasp
bonus ticks from slayer add 1.5 to make 4
woven wasp
i believe so
teal fossil
Yeah
hexed saddle
https://tenor.com/view/dr-house-house-gif-11916099077674228393
this is so me
woven wasp
some random
real
naive sage
Greg deez
soft sigil
Any arms knowers that can tell me how many MS proc from unhinged without ImmDem ...
It's 3, ravager ticks 6 times so you get a proc on tick 2 then 4 then 6
wooden lava
If I have 2x OP and EP, and bladestorm is coming off CD, do I just send it, or should I use an MS before bladestorm
I'm watching my dmg output and I notice if i send a fully stacked MS out, it does a decent amount of dmg
but I never see that much dmg pop up when i bladestorm
proud remnant
They need to buff bladestorm. We hit a 10% random nerf pre season 1 and I think it needs a 20% buff to keep up on big M+ aoe pulls. Let’s hope they do that pre season 2
Want some burst back
proud remnant
Or add something useful for that 3rd node in blade storm. Arms feels like ass rn
vast glacier
guys am i blind or does the next patch looks like a "dont use overpower in execute windows anymore" playstile ?
with the mortal strike buff, the 20% more mortal strike dmg from the stacked set bonus and the 20% more mortal strike dmg after a mortal strike crit, it looks like overpower will be out of place, as long as rage generation is fine.
tacit crystal
If I have 2x OP and EP, and bladestorm is coming off CD, do I just send it, or s...
i think depends on how long until bs
you could send ms then execute until bs
proud remnant
When is season 3?? Asking for arms warriors.
wooden lava
i think depends on how long until bs
if both MS and BS are ready, what then
does it even matter
tacit crystal
bs
magic canopy
BS = more MS
quartz girder
Is slayer viable for m+?
magic canopy
colossus is better but anything is fine for 10s
quartz girder
K using col, just seems im doing almost half of what i do with fury
magic canopy
Fury currently has higher burst whiuch falls off in higher keys where colossus static dasmage with cleave shines through
both are good, fury is also a bit tankier rn
fresh spire
minor gust
olive nest
olive nest
fresh spire
latent moss
wooden sandal
anyone have a weakaura that track Colossal might Stack ?
lean geode
I don't but it should be pretty easy to make yourself from scratch, when you make a new weakaura there should be an option called "template" or something like that, it'll walk you through making simple cases like that
Should basically just be an icon with a trigger of player > aura > buff > colossal might, and then some text with %s (# of stacks)
fathom shoal
colo bb
fathom shoal
does big d
lime ruin
Colossus makes me bigger. And we all know that's better
minor gust
the real buff arms needs is the size increase node on colossus
5% is pathetic 50% or no dice
reef mauve
does sweaping stikes sweap demolish?
opaque lake
Last hit yea
rare kite
Last hit yea
not the last hit. the first 2 hits
warm bronze
Should I full send arms for next season?
rare kite
Should I full send arms for next season?
have you seen arms tierset? ofcourse you shouldn't
warm bronze
have you seen arms tierset? ofcourse you shouldn't
I have not. Came here first.
Swapping from 5 years of Havoc DH. I can't take it anymore.
Mythic Court prog made me realize that LMAO
rare kite
arms tierset is bad. really really bad check #updates-midnight
warm bronze
That's sad though if true, arms is my favorite class to play
Maybe I'm stuck in Legion/BFA warrior mindset
rare kite
good news is they are nerfing martial prowess and buffing mortal strike baseline
rare kite
Maybe I'm stuck in Legion/BFA warrior mindset
unfortunately we are very far away from legion arms. most fun arms of all time. i will say tho, execute phase feels pretty good. tho would feel even better without juggernaut imo(buff baseline execute)
warm bronze
unfortunately we are very far away from legion arms. most fun arms of all time. ...
I feel that 🫂 Well, in that case time to dust off fury.
rare kite
fury very fun. mountain thane owns so hard
warm bronze
fury very fun. mountain thane owns so hard
rare kite
Skål to you as well
warm bronze
Time to start commiserating with my warrior brothers again
vast surge
proud remnant
All I want is some aoe burst back. Too much to ask for?
Shadowlands arms used to rip off the bat
vast surge
Demolish sucks ass
reef glade
10 stack colo might walking into a pack with all cds is some pretty fat burst i feel
demolish giga ability
proud remnant
Too much ramp these days.
reef glade
then sling a 4mil dmg cleave on 10 targets
proud remnant
I suppose.
vast surge
It's all fun and games till the mob walks 1 pixel out of demolish range and you miss the 3rd hit and now you're just a limp dick warrior with cleave spam
Award winning gameplay loop
proud remnant
Maybe I’m just missing Warlords Torment and more upfront dmg. 6 seconds just isn’t enough. What did it used to be? 10?
And champions spear is just sad. Rework that shit. Do we even have a dev? It’s been awhile since we have seen any major changes for arms.
vast surge
You also don't get it on CS/WB anymore with the way they reworked it which was also an asinine decision.
vague nova
Make jugger falloff time twice as long in keys and I don’t think I hate it anymore. Annoying af getting a proc 1 global after it expires
zealous schooner
do you guys press victory rush usually at what health % ?
boreal quartz
Depends on the fight
If i know nothing it going to happen i dont press it
If i know anything is happening or raid is low i insta slam it after damage event
Esp in raid you can look at ur death and check if u did IV, if u didnt do it, IV there
zealous schooner
the reason im asking
is because i usualy press it when im like 70-60% hp
but thats a dps loss right ?
i was just curious as to when people usually press it
snow pagoda
being dead is thee dps loss
thick kelp
only press it if there is a mechanic coming in few next seconds that chunks alot or leaves a dot and you have 0 trust in healers
zealous schooner
ok thanks gentleman
astral yarrow
only press it if there is a mechanic coming in few next seconds that chunks alot...
0 trust in healers
So every time 
ebon fern
Is blunt actually better in aoe too due to the longer duration on in for the kill?
thick kelp
> 0 trust in healers
So every time <:bedge:882323848844963860>
Baseg
ebon fern
Honestly, i just wish blunt and war weren't a choice node, or even better warbreaker was just baseline
boreal quartz
Fuck delve
eager sigil
i dont mind delve
halcyon valve
This + colossus + avatar + tauren
HUGE
midnight mural
dont forget - there is also a citrine that makes you bigger 😄
strange perch
ive noticed a lot of top logs going dawnthread instead of ascendance; do we wanna be using dawnthread now??
dim basalt
ive noticed a lot of top logs going dawnthread instead of ascendance; do we wann...
Ascendance doesnt do much if youre not chain pulling, but threads are also not overly strong either
Doesnt matter much really
strange perch
I'm more talking for raid
ebon fern
Damn, i actually really don't like that they removed execute from demolish cdr in st
midnight mural
ive noticed a lot of top logs going dawnthread instead of ascendance; do we wann...
It depends.. If you have short killtimers (2-3mins) and/or high uptime on thread, it is better than ascendance, since you have 100% value from first second of the fight.
icy mulch
Damn, i actually really don't like that they removed execute from demolish cdr i...
It was a very odd change, and honestly shows how out of touch they are.
midnight mural
Currently every single kill we do on our reclears, our healers are trying to parse, which makes dawnthread lining uptime dogshit since its mostly just 1 or 2 healers healing, instead of all of them.
ebon fern
For aoe it's not a big deal becuase you weren't really using execute, but for st, goddamn, it's bad
strange perch
Guess i'll just stick to ascendance since ive already made those pieces, plus no 639 weapon
slow saddle
It was a very odd change, and honestly shows how out of touch they are.
I mean, at least let it gove cdr on crit like ms?
slow saddle
Dawn sims below ascendance, for me coz i dont habe 639 weap
2 things... vault wont give me, a 639 weap + spider trinket
icy mulch
I mean, at least let it gove cdr on crit like ms?
Yeah, it seems they didn't want demolish to be a mega execute during execute phase. Cause, you know, that might be fun?
slow saddle
Yeah, it seems they didn't want demolish to be a mega execute during execute pha...
Demo should do more.dmg.sub 35
A super slap!
icy mulch
Demo should do more.dmg.sub 35
Hell yeah.
slow saddle
Though they need to let execute give the cdr again
cloud dawn
Ive been gone for a while, have they nerfed cleave? it was trucking at the start of the season
icy mulch
Cleave is still big dam in keys.
latent moss
It was a very odd change, and honestly shows how out of touch they are.
it isnt really
its just that
they didnt follow it up with anything
colossus should be
ms spam
not execute
so they got rid of execute but forgot how awful battlelord is
icy mulch
Which shows how out-of touch they are.
I get what their intent is, but they didn't consider the full picture, is what I mean.
steep osprey
They need to reduce rage cost of execute
or make critical thinking baseline
anything
it costs too much
icy mulch
Same as the Fury Slayer interaction with Sudden death talent. I get why it was changed to what should of been from the start. It's just they didn't think about how bad it would be to be stuck with losing a talent point.
steep osprey
Now please buff execute for fury so it's worth it
icy mulch
Surely we see a lot of buffs during ptr tuning. 
naive sage
It’s over, it has never been more over than this 
icy mulch
I chose the worst time to return to warrior didnt i
To be honest, best we can say is maybe. It really will come down to IF we catch some love in the tuning phase.
Prot warrior nerfs were a surprise, Fury RA changes are meh, Arms catching more strays. It's just well, business as usual it seems.
brittle fiber
This chat is worse than the rogue discord
Time for new warrior spec: shoutbot
Build rage to heal
icy mulch
Lol, yup, I just picture telling someone to shake it off or ignore the pain while we throw Shields and inspirational healing.
brittle fiber
Thing is no other class is attractive to me right now
icy mulch
Join the club, many are or have already rerolled.
brittle fiber
I just want my hard hitting warrior, no pansy ass zombies, no stupid poisons, no edgy beams, no bombs or mutts
eager sigil
Thing is no other class is attractive to me right now
then play warrior
steep osprey
You're never going to be so bad that your class can't be playable
so you just play what you like the most
and hope it's better than usual
it's that simple
eager sigil
if you wanna play the best you reroll 2 weeks into the season
brittle fiber
Nah i aint a meta geek just nothing else plays like warrior to me
steep osprey
then play warrior
naive sage
imo shaman is great and deservingly at the top rn
brittle fiber
Or maybe i get carpal tunnel and prog as outlaw rogue
thin galleon
if you wanna play the best you reroll 2 weeks into the season
just make sure u never play rdruid
and you always win
lean geode
Or maybe i get carpal tunnel and prog as outlaw rogue <:gladge:96397013770110982...
Play sin rogue and press one button every 8 seconds
steep osprey
Play sin rogue and press one button every 8 seconds
spam mutilate until 5+ combo points
then wait until the envenom buff almost falls off then press it
rinse and repeat
lean geode
run out of energy as soon as your deathmark and kingsbane fall off and then cry for the next 50 seconds 
steep osprey
hey its the same gameplay as back in wrath
Tbh they hit the mark pretty early for sin
There's no reason to change that gameplay, it's pretty cool imo
fresh spire
Same as the Fury Slayer interaction with Sudden death talent. I get why it was c...
overlooked, fury at least was almost at the point it could play without sd and do same st setups, wasn't until the last changes/buffs greg noticed we could use SD and get a gain from it
fresh spire
lean geode
mfw the are desynced
steep osprey
overlooked, fury at least was almost at the point it could play without sd and d...
We can? how?
lean geode
Fishy do you know if slayer strikes is hasted ppm?
fresh spire
the SD proc from hero tree gave you SD regardless if you had it talented before
Execute was so turd in fury to the point they almost didnt even take SD
steep osprey
the SD proc from hero tree gave you SD regardless if you had it talented before
I know that part
lean geode
if slayers strikes is hasted, theoretically the value of SD decreases as we get more haste over time, innit?
lean geode
because you only actually use exe for 3xMFE or to maintain AJ
fresh spire
:caught:
lean geode
me when I use demolish 0.5s after CS falls off in a 2:30 fight
lean geode
Colossus parses free as fuck it seems
thick kelp
idk I got fishy and nioll competing with me
steep osprey
overlooked, fury at least was almost at the point it could play without sd and d...
I mean how did he notice we get a gain from it
fresh spire
playing with some changes ontop of minor buffs at end of ptr stages made sd with taking for jug juggling, was maintainable and worth using for MFE after the buffs to it
slayer was really bad for like 80% of sim work and it got buffed like fuck right at end
thick kelp
hm fishy is r1 colo on ulgrax
thick kelp
but i dont have a public log on ulgrax
fresh spire
:kekw
thick kelp
as colo
shadow ibex
Replace artery cut with node that makes demo apply cs
steep osprey
slayer was really bad for like 80% of sim work and it got buffed like fuck right...
You still wanna use Execute only for 3x mark or when Jugg is falling off only right?
lean geode
As fury or arms
steep osprey
fury
lean geode
actions.slayer_ra_st+=/execute,if=debuff.marked_for_execution.stack=3|buff.ashen_juggernaut.remains<2|buff.sudden_death.stack=2&buff.sudden_death.remains<7|buff.sudden_death.remains<2
fresh spire
i think fury 100% max gains was like 2 charges when 8 seconds left, 3 stacks, last second of 1 stack
yeh its stupid
lean geode
3xMFE OR
2xSD with <7s remaining OR
<2s on SD OR
<2s on AJ
steep osprey
when are they buffing execute
fresh spire
buff.sudden_death.stack=2&buff.sudden_death.remains<7 was because if you had 2 stacks the CDR would fuck you using last stack
actually trash
its same shit for arms
too complicated
lean geode
@steep osprey I ran some sims testing how big of an impact it was to just ignore various SD conditions: #fury message
fresh spire
with next patch at least following same prio and having execute>slam is same dps
teal fossil
pls get to work
fresh spire
already working
waiting for next build
as we are expecting buffs for colossues colossal might* nerf
and full fixes to bloodbath for fury
so both specs sorta waiting for the changes
steep osprey
so both specs sorta waiting for the changes
OF buff
fresh spire
OF mega dead
down from 60 uses to 50
MS is ahead of execute currently even in slayer for overall
pretty wild world
steep osprey
I know it's dead but they specifiically said they can now make it something of a powerful aoe button for fury since they removed it from Titan's
thick kelp
PRETTY SHIT!
steep osprey
we wait and see i guess
steep osprey
MS is ahead of execute currently even in slayer for overall
that's good, no?
you were crying about execute being so strong
lol
btw what are the talent builds for Arms for ST
for ptr
slayer/colossus
fresh spire
i mean more as in EB value has become pretty good overall from the MP changes
steep osprey
Do you have them?
thick kelp
something very cursed
steep osprey
ok that's cool
thick kelp
fresh spire
i was complaining execute was too good as currently you only would MS in slayer if you had 2 stacks of LB (s1 4p)
where a stronger MS would remove that shit (which is has fully)
steep osprey
btw is bloodsurge good
fresh spire
its still ass
steep osprey
gg
steep osprey
damn MS pumps on ptr
lean geode
Col stronger than slayer on ptr?
lean geode
Because MS fuk fud and exe nudle button?
steep osprey
what's up with these random dcs
fresh spire
key wise, liekly still strong
serene hollow
colossus single target feels like there's a hole in the rotation
fresh spire
lack of deft and battlelord
lean geode
key wise, liekly still strong
how does it compare to thane do you know?
haven't looked at any ptr stuff yet personally
steep osprey
I think thane is better
fresh spire
As far as i know gregs started work on thane so i don't know exact how they will preform
fresh spire
not sure, i think most things right now are down to bloodbath
since it has barely any scaling with the spec right now depends how thane will interact with it with burst of power for example
lean geode
praying to the lord for AM thane to be meta
steep osprey
AM thane is really nice on PTR
fresh spire
Am is good right now but purely because BB still needs adjusting to allow scaling from things like mastery etc, some are missing we hoping are fixed in next patch so we can get an accurate guess to how it will work
thane in general plays well
steep osprey
Am is good right now but purely because BB still needs adjusting to allow scalin...
For me to fix the fury issue, I think they should do that and buff RA abilities even further
fresh spire
crit made a good point on stream
steep osprey
because they aren't strong enough to be used only during 15 seconds every 1.5m
fresh spire
RA should change all 3 abilities just not the one and give others just more damage
fresh spire
but i think this is blizzard trying to make reck feel more like a cooldown
ramp/cb/bb
steep osprey
Damn imagine what would the name of rampage be
steep osprey
yeah I know
I think they're going to be aware of this issue
I don't think they're going to abandon RA after changing it like this
"abandon"
I also think they should buff Baseline BT/RB
Along with rampage
by 10% or something
fresh spire
buffing rampage so its worth to press always is something i hope for
steep osprey
execute 30% lmao
steep osprey
Yeah I think rampage needs a big buff and this tier set exacerbates the issue
the buffs from 4p make BT/RB even further stronger
urban field
yeah overcapping on rage being the correct play just seems like a design mistake
lean geode
ramp/cb/bb
only problem with this imo is that it basically just adds "deal 20% more damage" to reck, doesn't really affect gameplay at all other than more rage ig
teal fossil
i think the BB bleed is really cool
and the CB thing isnt too bad either
CB crit damage
steep osprey
I think the crit damage should be a lot higher
shadow ibex
Need something to let colossus get away from ravager
Or remove Valor for one more talent point
teal fossil
i dont think thats possible as long as unhinged exists
minor gust
There's no saving any bit of arms for me burn it all down and give it what MM hunter and pack leader just got
A complete brand new vision and design.
Arms completely lacks a cohesive vision
proud remnant
There's no saving any bit of arms for me burn it all down and give it what MM hu...
Agreed
lean geode
I like EP being a must take in raid because I don't know how to play execute phase without it xdd
I think it also does a good job of differentiating your execute phase gameplay from your non-execute phase gameplay
minor gust
EP is bis
lean geode
(I say this as someone who has basically only played fury since DF s2)
minor gust
execute phase doesnt need to be a massive dps increase it just needs to switch up gameplay
wheat lagoon
I think MS should naturally be a hard hitting ability.
proud remnant
You also don't get it on CS/WB anymore with the way they reworked it which was ...
What do you mean here? Maybe I’m out of the loop?
minor gust
warlords torment used to give you reck on CS/WB cast not avatar
and it was 100% rage gain now I think its 25%
shadow ibex
i dont think thats possible as long as unhinged exists
Gotta nerf it
Buff BS or rav
Like 75% of ravager damage is MS
Cuz it does pitiful dmg on its own
teal fossil
yeah i agree wit hthat
but i dont mind gating some power behind the talents under it
i would like unhinged to be exclusive vs mbg
then buff rav baseline
minor gust
can just rework dance of death to be a real talent that gives BS/Rav strong aoe dmg
cuz dance of death isnt real idc what you can do with it in a heroic dungeon
teal fossil
yeah its crazy that we have a world quest talent in the bottom
minor gust
changed it to be a useless dogshit talent that will never be picked
lean geode
What about some kind of like reverse AM or delayed TOM kind of thing, where spending rage accumulates a buff that increases the direct damage of your next rav
minor gust
BLIZZARD CLASS DESIGN TEAM HARD AT WORK FOR WARRIOR
lean geode
halcyon valve
theyre not cooking. they are still preparing
minor gust
guys we could have a 30% chance at a free CLEAVE OMG HUGE not like we spend half the time rage capped or anything
halcyon valve
omg omg free cleave!!! no way!!!!
minor gust
FREE CLEAVE FREEEEEE CLEAVEEEEE
lean geode
is it a free cleave like an automatic proc similar to unhinged, or just cleave without the rage cost?
lean geode
wow that is extremely dog shit
minor gust
Big WW died for this
halcyon valve
imagine this
cleave has 10 second cooldown
does 3x damage
minor gust
big colateral
halcyon valve
one armillion damage
minor gust
High rolling EBs for back to back mega cleaves
lean geode
When you get like 5 back to back EB procs on Sennarth when big add spawns
HOLY
(that was the last time I played arms)
minor gust
the boss after Sennarth was were it was at
lean geode
Kurog?
minor gust
Kurog the elemental guy
lean geode
Fight would've been a lot cooler if my guild wasn't omega ass
brisk pelican
Any builds I should try today? (havent played arms at all this xpac)
lean geode
On ptr or live?
brisk pelican
PTR testing sorry
shadow ibex
Fact they took resources/time to rework dance of death is actually hilarious
minor gust
Fact they took resources/time to rework dance of death is actually hilarious
kept the worst part about it when an enemy dies XDDDDDDDDDDD
shadow ibex
Genuinely indefensible
That it didn't get completely removed
While things like soa got gutted and sos whatever happened there
minor gust
nothing screams peak dev laziness like splitting a talent in half to replace a removed talent
shadow ibex
As if not a soul actually cast cleave in multi
Just a word salad of a talent
A free cleave. You know that ability with the most cranked dmg per resource ever
shadow ibex
Yea you can tell they just made up an effect. Build a bear ahh talent
Casting X has a Y chance to do Z
minor gust
I blame all the ppl complaining about pressing WW in ST for the death of SOS
shadow ibex
I never felt strong about sos I was neutral on it
I mean some decent play getting x2 or x3 casts inside CS with PI
It's better than fuckin sks for sure
halcyon valve
I blame all the ppl complaining about pressing WW in ST for the death of SOS
removing ToM would have fixed it
minor gust
I really enjoy 10-20 sec cd abillities
the feel really nice in rotations
why I really fucking enjoy WW right now
they have lots of cds like that
steep osprey
shadow ibex
Yea i didn't mind it or loved it. Just a button that spiced up the rotation a tiny bit
minor gust
yee
shadow ibex
I'd take it over sks any day tho
minor gust
those types of abillites really add to the rotation SKS feels bad because it feels like it doesnt do anything
halcyon valve
give us an ability that has 15 seconds cd with the tooltip reading "you could use this move nonstop, but that would be boring"
minor gust
you dont feel your bleeds ticking faster
and SKS by itself does 0 dmg
its a terrible button
untold pewter
Not even kidding it feels worse than slam for me
minor gust
big WW always felt good to press to dump your rage and it did really good dmg
shadow ibex
At least slam doesn't make me spend more globals applying rend throughout the encounter
untold pewter
Exactly that
shadow ibex
minor gust
DIE SKS DIE
shadow ibex
Shitty feeling global that just causes more bad feeling globals
We're happy with warrior
minor gust
yeah what a great abillity you feel its impact by having to refresh another shitty abillity more often
great design gg
shadow ibex
That's the biggest problem idc about damage or any numbers
Just feels bad
And the only reason we have it is some dweeb thought he cooked big by letting us combo new tr and sks for OMG SICK BLEED DAMAGE WINDOW
minor gust
if only we could have a cool DF s3 tier set added as talent that would help this issue
shadow ibex
but bleeds aren't cool chief
minor gust
but you know what is, a big thunderclap cast when you press SD
halcyon valve
sks would be an instantly better button if it played the bonk sound effect
lean geode
if only we could have a cool DF s3 tier set added as talent that would help this...
big fan
halcyon valve
turn collateral damage into the s2 df tier set
minor gust
SKS needs full removal from bleeds to be cool
lean geode
turn collateral damage into the s2 df tier set
this was the one that gave your MS a frontal cleave right?
halcyon valve
this was the one that gave your MS a frontal cleave right?
yup
shadow ibex
Bb sks
minor gust
if they require arms to have a bleed for whatever reason it needs to be just DW and thats it
shadow ibex
Remember when you had to spec to make sks pop them lol
How do we play this shit I swear
sturdy hearth
its a terrible button
it feels so bad to press it during execution phase
minor gust
having to immediatly reapply DW and rend after SKS
rare kite
Very good design making your next mortal strike after sks do no damage..
sturdy hearth
not a big fan of bleeds in general, i just want the mortal strike/exec to crit hard
halcyon valve
amazing stuff blizzard
lean geode
fastest german internet connection
eager sigil
real
vast helm
lean geode
btw @halcyon valve your changes helped me fix arms in wowa so I'm giving you retroactive credit
halcyon valve
dont
lean geode
too late
halcyon valve
😔
shadow ibex
Give us MM treatment next patch plz
Still love how they are convinced they absolutely nailed warrior. Doesn't need a single rework across all 3 specs
Across two expac where nearly everyone gets reworked
naive sage
Still love how they are convinced they absolutely nailed warrior. Doesn't need a...
This is the worst thing
ornate aurora
talent
minor gust
Still love how they are convinced they absolutely nailed warrior. Doesn't need a...
yeah no faith for the rest of the expansion all we can do is hope for is continued changes to make this current iteration work better
latent moss
I think it also does a good job of differentiating your execute phase gameplay f...
it does but it also gets boring very fast
ms has 3 gcds in between 2 is gonna be execute
so the only variance is in the third global
and its just are u gonna op or exe again
latent moss
it does but it also gets boring very fast
thats why imo amirdrassil arms was the best arms in df
it was a breath of fresh air
after doing 2 exe into ms for 2 whole patches
shadow ibex
Well technically s2 was best to exe spam
We didn't find out till a lil late
But it was p much same situation as now only you waited until x2 OP stacks
Problem is DF had infinite rage so you rarely needed to OP in exe
shadow ibex
yeah no faith for the rest of the expansion all we can do is hope for is continu...
Being told arms is fine by people who just found out warbreaker and warbringer are different things 
proud remnant
😂
quasi torrent
Being told arms is fine by people who just found out warbreaker and warbringer a...
warB
minor gust
arctic iris
To be fair, warbringer hasn't been a relevant term since, like, cataclysm
Unless you're a pvp andy
It was the old talent that let prot use charge and intercept, then it was basically replaced by Double Time in MoP (over the years, they kept the Warbringer name for an unrelated talent/pvp talent and completely redesigned what it did in ways that were increasingly irrelevant in PvE)
hardy olive
Sounded like season 2 killed us
rocky quartz
can a warrior reflect the water bolts + dot that the last boss in SOB casts?
i have a WA that tracks the cast and pre-spell reflected each time but nothing
tacit crystal
its doable but extremely inconsistent better of using sr to reduce the damage of the initial hit
shadow ibex
literally never seen it done
idk how its possible tbh. ive precast SR before cast. still applies. waited for it to be mid air still
rocky quartz
idk how its possible tbh. ive precast SR before cast. still applies. waited for ...
yea exactly
arctic iris
I have never seen it be reflected by anyone who could verify it with a log. The spreadsheet says it's possible but I don't believe it because there is a zero evidence it has ever happened to anyone
zealous schooner
guyys i simmed my gems
and raidbots is telling me to use mastery + crit gems instead of crit + haste
should i listen to the machine
eternal mesa
So dose the new ring changes stuff, i have two rings and one is low crit with high mastery and other is crit with haste. The high mastery is sims way higher.
lean geode
should i listen to the machine
always
lean geode
So dose the new ring changes stuff, i have two rings and one is low crit with hi...
follow the sim
naive sage
can a warrior reflect the water bolts + dot that the last boss in SOB casts?
Maybe you can deflect it?
quasi torrent
idk how its possible tbh. ive precast SR before cast. still applies. waited for ...
its fake lore.
brittle fiber
can we spell reflect the dev note about warrior being in a good spot
quasi torrent
can we spell reflect the dev note about warrior being in a good spot
its a phys ability
can't even DR it
zealous schooner
guys no one wants to accept me into keys
what should i do
pls dont say play fury
naive sage
Play tank
eager sigil
guys no one wants to accept me into keys
get ilevel and io
zealous schooner
get ilevel and io
bruh
brittle fiber
what should i do
Use your own keys
eager sigil
dont think he wants real advice
naive sage
I think that the realm you come from counts too
I am from Italian realm and I think I get declined for this reason too
zealous schooner
dont think he wants real advice
wym
naive sage
I did all 11 with mostly ++ and I can’t get invited in 12
zealous schooner
your advice is unreasonable
sure i can get my ilvl to 660
and io to 4k and get insta invited to anything
thats not real advice
latent moss
I think that the realm you come from counts too
100%
i dont invite from certain realms
dont wanna gamble
fresh spire
Anti moon rune gang
latent moss
a lot of people i know do the same
latent moss
Anti moon rune gang
wont catch me inviting someone from sanguino
fresh spire
I cant think of the name of the server that's like 95% red flags
Everyone's always toxic
Kazzak eu
chilly coyote
Rude
eager sigil
wont catch me inviting someone from sanguino
and pozodeleternia
fresh spire
I stg every time ive invited kazzak players they always leave after 1 wipe. Flame people for stupid insignificant stuff or use that failed weakaura
Anyone who runs the avoidable damage aura is the biggest loser
livid cloak
Life is good when you get mystic touch and skyfury in a key
Monk actually doing insane damage lol
fresh spire
👀
naive sage
👀
quaint otter
Monk actually doing insane damage lol
bruce lee lore
slow saddle
I cant think of the name of the server that's like 95% red flags
Portugese spanish and italien realms 90% bad experience
Russians are 50/50 either god tier. Or swampass
naive sage
Portugese spanish and italien realms 90% bad experience
I mean raider io is an objective metric btw
eager sigil
yea but if my group cant understand english it will be harder anyway
slow saddle
I mean truly not my experience
Less patient. More prone to outbursts, but all this changea at higher rio i guess
shadow ibex
Why does my class tree have 3 offensive cool downs at the bottom that are all 90 second cds
slow saddle
Ive just started to get into 12s
shadow ibex
Is that weird
eager sigil
would you rather them not sync?
dim basalt
Portugese spanish and italien realms 90% bad experience
Glad I'm not the only one who made that experience
latent hull
which class looks good next season
silk spade
🔮
naive sage
which class looks good next season
Not warrior
untold trench
which class looks good next season
I personally find protection warrior to be looking especially great, as things stand atm on PTR. You should invest all your bitcoin
tacit crystal
I personally find protection warrior to be looking especially great, as things s...
why lie
why lie guy
gusty nymph
New reworked Hunter is quite fun!!!
slow saddle
Pala or djinni
naive sage
I would main it if my guild hadn’t many hunters already
Maybe assa
Or I’ll stick to enha
shadow ibex
Play arms fuled by rage tier for sure
naive sage
Play arms fuled by rage tier for sure
Believe me if I say I am very sad not playing my main
But I simply can’t anymore
minor gust
I would main it if my guild hadn’t many hunters already
We have a hunter who for sure will still only just play BM
And will still be in the wrong position on a boss fight xd
eager sigil
Believe me if I say I am very sad not playing my main
But I simply can’t anymore
why not
you can kill everyboss as arms
naive sage
why not
I am a m+ player mostly
I could raid as any spec I’d like because I’m in a friendly guild
But waiting 40 min for a pug key is too much
eager sigil
oh yea for keys you have to reroll every patch
otherwise you will always have that issue
minor gust
Or worse play tank or healer
naive sage
Or worse play tank or healer
Healer I would
Tank I’m dogshit
minor gust
Imo as an old healer main both those roles are boring AF and need a major reimagining to be fun or else there's no saving pug M+
They need to get people to play tanks and healers and the only way to do that is make tanking and healing fun.
livid cloak
Tanking keys is fun, being blamed for every wipe as a tank is not fun
minor gust
Tanks should do almost the same dmg as dps idc and remove defensive from all DPS and make healers giga
livid cloak
Do you want a build where you should try to min max collateral damage hits? Or a zug zug build?
this has been my favorite build this season and one where i get my most damage https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/warrior/arms/colossus/DAOAUVFRFQhUVKSUFBAOVVEFURVFUkVQFQCFFEVVVUBR
you can do a lot of stuff though, this one is a bit more zug friendly https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/warrior/arms/colossus/DAOAUVFRFQhUVKSUUBANVVEFURVlQkVQFCFFEVVVUBR
it does solid aoe damage, but loses out on execute damage. However it is very easy to play IMO
you can also drop battle lord and 1 point from deft experience or bloodborne to pick up massacre and executioner's precision if you want
but the build without uproar, adding in bm torment, and dropping bloodborne entirely has been my favorite
astral yarrow
i would not "waste" a point on blademasters torment if you're new(ish). Its not necessarily a waste, but its much simpler to play short roar
astral yarrow
I think slayer with blunt instruments is probably the easiest arms build to plug n play
colossus is just so much better at using cleave
olive nest
ye i want to play around with demolish
thank you for the builds!
so im assuming i want to maximize cleaves during ravager so should I plan to sweep demolish after ravager?
livid cloak
No if demolish comes up go ahead and hit it
livid cloak
Kinda depends. Won't hurt to just hit it, but if it's almost end of pull and you can carry the 10 stack demolish to next pull with smash
Or smash is like 10s away. Then it'll be up soon because of AM
minor gust
In AOE you shouldn't have any problem fitting demolish in CS everytime
olive nest
dayum
arms owns
smash glowy button xD
I know I definitely did not do proper prio but felt fun!
naive sage
I know I definitely did not do proper prio but felt fun!
Bro
I never did such an overall
Now I feel like shit
olive nest
oh its not fair to compare that was a 10 SV with my buddys they over pulled big time
in a real key i would suck at arms no worries!
halcyon valve
minor gust
I never did such an overall
overall is bait and has more to do with how the tank pulls and what the key level is than how well you are doing
livid cloak
Its a combo of both, but is heavily reliant on the tank for sure
Tank in same dungeon at same level can swing an overall by like 750k
Depending on how they pull
naive sage
overall is bait and has more to do with how the tank pulls and what the key leve...
sure, but big numbers are big numbers
it's like "Ronaldo and Messi had a strong team to help them" but they still scored 1000 goals each lol
minor gust
sure just dont put yourself down because his numbers are bigger than your numbers
tacit crystal
what was the difference in me doing 400k more
minor gust
Aug
tacit crystal
no
minor gust
🤮
tacit crystal
good
olive nest
whats the target count for cleave vs ms
olive nest
what about with SS?
tacit crystal
that was including ss
olive nest
ahh kk! ty
bleak jasper
i just realized my arms build never had TW talented
i only play it once in a blue moon anyway
still.
bleak jasper
30% more with roar up
which is
what, 8 seconds longer with the arms/tw talent in it of itself
so rend, deep wounds. roar itself
bleak jasper
i mainly play fury so it not something ive done too much but yeah lmao
its a lot to lose
abstract cairn
man wtf did they do to the warr in ptr 😦
outer holly
demolish go brr
halcyon valve
What if spear made your next 2 abilities guaranteed crits
brittle fiber
Checking to see if arms is saved
shadow ibex
keep cleave on CD p much
u only got MS OP and cleave really hit whatever is avaliable. one will be coming off CD in 1/2 GCDs
rocky quartz
Hey - in execute am I supposed to get 2 stacks of E precision plus 2x OP stacks for MS and alternate like that?
Just started playing my warr again so still figuring some things out
brittle fiber
With tier set it’s 2 exe and 2 tactician resets basically
latent moss
What if spear made your next 2 abilities guaranteed crits
what if our cooldown gave us 100% crit for the next 10 or so seconds
not too short and not too long
shadow ibex
ill take cs reck back
tacit crystal
shadow ibex
what if our cooldown gave us 100% crit for the next 10 or so seconds
make it 90 seconds in the class tree
call it deadly calm
brittle fiber
deadly calm was free rage wasnt it
shadow ibex
it was 4 abilities ass
brittle fiber
heroic strike off gcd and im happy
strenghtens our pre execute, gives us something to dump rage with and makes ToM good again
minor gust
No Tom stays dead till its removed fuck Tom
rare kite
strenghtens our pre execute, gives us something to dump rage with and makes ToM ...
ToM sucks. Pls no
proud remnant
ill take cs reck back
Yes please.
shadow ibex
tom needs to be buffed or just removed
and spiteful
sure is good having choice nodes with no choice
shadow ibex
replaced i mean
minor gust
you know what happened last time talents were removed from the arms tree
they get replaced by already existing talents
brittle fiber
regardless of tom controversy i'd still love heroic strike back
shadow ibex
i just want a choice node to be a choice node
latent moss
they get replaced by already existing talents
some of them
we literally lost 2 talents
tide of blood and reaping swings
replaced by what
wooden lava
Putting aside the overwrite bug on the new tier set
the 4 piece just seems like bad design
I don't think overpower really needs the reset speed
If they're gonna keep it, the tier set needs to make our overpower stacks go up to 3-4
instead of 2
shadow ibex
it just mkes above exe feel better
but doesnt make it great
just replacing OP with slam
wooden lava
Yeah but are you gonna keep sending OPs while MS already has 2 stacks
shadow ibex
ur gonna fill globals with abilities
faster OP recharge means sometimes it will replace a slam
wooden lava
Man, it's gonna feel wonky to keep sending OPs even though MS is already fully stacked
does that mean we pick Dreadnaught
for AoE
shadow ibex
im pretty sure that isnt possible above 35 because MS has 3 globals between any cast and at most 2 would be OP
unless u fuck up using MS on cd
wooden lava
yeah but what about Skullsplitter or SD procs
shadow ibex
that doesnt change MS has 3 GCDs between it
tacit crystal
Man, it's gonna feel wonky to keep sending OPs even though MS is already fully s...
we already do this
?
shadow ibex
its impossible to get x2 OP stacks and have an OP ready to press with MS on CD above 35% target health
lets assume you did MS OP OP, there's no way to generate a 3rd OP here at all so there's no world where you'd replace an OP with a slam or w/e
brittle fiber
https://tenor.com/view/eye-of-rah-eye-of-rah-meme-red-haired-one-eye-guy-red-eye...
First time i saw this meme i laughed for a solid 5 minutes
brittle fiber
lets assume you did MS OP OP, there's no way to generate a 3rd OP here at all so...
Alright, so let’s say, for the sake of argument, that you did MS into OP into OP, okay? There is absolutely no conceivable way—none whatsoever—to generate a third OP in this scenario. It doesn’t exist. So in what world, what universe, are you replacing one of those OPs with a slam or, frankly, whatever else you’re imagining here? It’s just not possible. Facts don’t care about your hypothetical substitutions.
wooden lava
huh
wooden lava
lets assume you did MS OP OP, there's no way to generate a 3rd OP here at all so...
You're right, i was sending 4 GCDs between each ms
it feels like i have enough haste to do so, but is it better to just wait the quarter second to send MS instead?
Off topic question - is it worth sending SD proc before MS even if it's up?
brittle fiber
If you have 2 stacks or 3x marks
I also think going off the sudden death text if you arent aaing between the mortal strike into sudden death execute to risk losing another sudden death stack then it’s ok but i usually just prio execute if i have 2 stacks
soft sigil
it feels like i have enough haste to do so, but is it better to just wait the qu...
Haste scales the gcd and the cooldown on ms identically so there is never a situation with proper play where you have to wait to send ms
bold depot
was there a reason colossal might stacks duration was reduced to 24 seconds a while ago
i remember it lasting 30 seconds on release
sudden death lasts 60 seconds. why have this disparity between the hero talents
halcyon valve
Since when does sudden death last 60 seconds
dim basalt
It doesn't
halcyon valve
Thought so
visual fern
Alright, so let’s say, for the sake of argument, that you did MS into OP into OP...
Yeah there is
Lag so hard the game doesn't register your OP is on CD
So you just press OP again
....and then DC
bold depot
Since when does sudden death last 60 seconds
meant to say imminent demise
ive never had imminent demise run out on me in any situation but im always scrambling to use or maintain colossal might before it runs out. that doesnt seem at all fair when these stacks are central to colossus gameplay
brittle fiber
Yeah there is
i was just copy pasting his message while larping as ben shapiro
tacit crystal
visual fern
I am a legion baby